Why are spears so rarely seen in games?

engine limitations

it's hard to make attack animations that look cool. Spears themselves aren't cool weapons.

I know there are plenty of contrarians who will cry out about how much they love spears and how practical and efficient they are in real life historic battlefields, but honestly, there's a reason you don't see fictional heroes with a legendary magic spear very often.

There are tons of stories with magic swords, because swords are cool. They look cool when they swing. What legendary spears are there? Odins, the spear of destiny, and Gae Bolg, and that's pretty much it.

>>375993920
>I know there are plenty of contrarians who will cry out about how much they love spears and how practical and efficient they are in real life historic battlefields, but honestly, there's a reason you don't see fictional heroes with a legendary magic spear very often.
Are you high or just retarded? There are a bunch of mythical spears, not even counting other, similar pole arms like tridents.

You think swords and cool and not spears? Have you ever seen really good spear use? Looks rad as shit.

>>375993662
Fuck off, Todd

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>>375994304

Muh spear lore.

>>375993920
>Spear of Lugh, Lugh had no need to wield the spear himself. It was alive and thirsted for blood that only by steeping its head in a sleeping-draught of pounded fresh poppy seeds could it be kept at rest. When battle was near, it was drawn out; then it roared and struggled against its thongs, fire flashed from it, and it tore through the ranks of the enemy once slipped from the leash, never tired of slaying.

Because halberds are better.

Also phalanxes had more than one guy in them.

>>375993616
and why are they so often underpowered when spears are the reason peasants could fight veterans with swords on equal footing? I think game devs just don't appreciate progress

>>375994394
It's funny because there are mods for spears

>>375994784
Not in Oblivion, at least not ones that add them well.

Skyrim has great spear mods, though.

Too OP.

>>375994784
It's funny because fucking bethesda employees implemented spears at a gamejam

>>375993920
Poseidon's trident, King Arthur's Rhongomynyad, Saint George's Ashkelon, Gáe Buide and Gáe Derg, Tonbokiri (AKA Dragonfly Cutter)

>>375993616
they're impractical compared to swords

Devs are boring

>>375994784

It's funny because he never said the reason for no spears was engine limitations. He actually said it was time limitations.

It's funny that most of the Todd "lie" memes are actually lies themselves.

>>375995115
Don't forget Longinus

>>375995192
You're retarded, theres no hope for you.
Spears were literally cheating when used in warfare.

Because you can't autistically wield dual spears and do spinning moves.

>>375995315
Or Gram.

they are harder to animate

If an enemy is upclose to you and you are using a spear it doesnt make sense for you to be stabbing far away and hitting him with your pole.

With a sword there's one fucking animation you need and that's swing.

>>375995315
That's the Spear of Destiny
>>375995450
Gram is a sword you donut

You can make a sword animation work and look good both outside and in confined places. Spears on the other hand would be clipping through everything when you are fighting in a confined dungeon or something. Glad I could help.

>>375993616
They're long, they clip with everything.
Also they don't offer a lot of freedom and variety in terms of design since they're so thin.

>>375995560
my bad, meant gungir

>>375993616
Id love a game where you have to use a selection of different weapon types to fight an enemy. For example
>you are crossing a battlefield
>knight charges toward you on his horse
>equip spear, press LB to jam the butt of it into the ground and brace for the impact
> knight is knocked off his horse
>equip sword and engage in combat

>>375995709
Gungnir is Odin's spear thus already mentioned you absolute donkey

>>375993616
They're overpowered if you make them right

>>375993920
Nioh handled spears pretty well.
You've got the standard pokes and swings, super fast twirly stuff, big thumping overhead slams, tripping enemies by sweeping their feet out from under them, among other things.
They're overshadowed in cool factor by the other weapons, but they did a decent job in my opinion.

>>375995115
>Mentioning Gáe Buide and Gáe Derg
>Leaving out Gáe Bulg
What are you, gáe or something?

>>375995875
>Knight and horse both see you bracing for impact with a spear
>they still continue the charge

that's bs but I believe it

>>375995875
So mountain blade?

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>>375996313
Are you people literally on fucking drugs, look at the post I replied to

I can't believe how retarded the people in this thread

>>375993616
>Why are spears so rarely seen in games?

They require a completely different animation set whereas you can reuse the sword animation for everything else.

Also, most people who make or play video games are absolutely worthless, ignorant, mindless, plebian scrubs when it comes to military history, so they will gladly eat up a fly infested bowl of shit when it comes to pre-industrial combat.

>>375993920
lancer does some cool shit in fsn

>>375994304
Spears are for lines of infantry, all that Chinese ballet shit is just for show.

>>375995986
It's too difficult to balance in the event of some one grabbing below the spear tip and pulling it away from the user.

I think I found the most autistic thread on 4chan

Longinus

>>375996538
This basically.

Because they are inferior nigger weapons designed for niggers.

>>375996602
>Spears are for lines of infantry
You stupid, son? Go see any medieval reenactment combat. Spears are fucking brutal if you know what you're doing, and really good even if you don't.

>>375993920
Dynasty Warriors had cool spears. Also, the Lance of Longinus has to be like a top-five famous weapon.

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>>375996714

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>>375993616
anon...there are quite a few enemies in dark souls that are well known for how annoying/op they are because they use spears. If you know how to use them properly spears are op as fuck in dark souls 2, not sure about dark souls 1. Idk what the fuck you're talking about.

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>>375996585

>>375997095
and those are entry level enemies. For dark souls 1 there's no mid-level difficulty but in dark souls 2 there's the spear wielding Heide Knights which are fucking insane. In Dark Souls 3 there's the spear wielding Lothric Knights which are pretty difficult to deal with too, but not batshit crazy like the Heide Knights.

>>375997323
mid level difficulty enemy who uses a spear*

>>375997226
explain

Spears just seem ripe for abuse in a video game, like you could kite everything forever.

>>375997226
https://youtu.be/s-RiAI1C8rA
Haha whoops

>>375997323
these are late game enemies but I also have to mention the spear wielding Stone Soldiers from Dark Souls 2. They can fuck you up if you're careless.

>>375997465
E rank luck

>>375997475
tell that to these guys >>375997095 that have insane tracking, particularly the ones from das2.

>>375997501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpz5WgRlGLM

>>375995365
Says you. I'll have a spear in each hand, wear two on my feet like stilts, hold one in my teeth and have a sixth swinging from my dick.

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>>375994606
>Lugh
Best god imo

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>>375994562
why is that doggo so sad?

>>375993616
Is Two Worlds 2 worth playing?
Will it give me my Gothic fix?

>>375997861
it's better than risen

>>375997947
Which is the most fun class to play with to become an omnipotent God?

>>375998019
>class
There are no classes.

Everything is pretty equally viable. Sneaky guys get the ability to instantly kill, whereas warriors get crazy polearm attacks and mages can make apocalyptic spells.

>>375993616
Two Worlds 2 is such an underrated game. I mean, it's at most a 7/10 but it's still above average and didn't deserve to get shit on just because it was a sequel to Two Worlds (1).

It's basically the Witcher 3 before the Witcher 3 but with worse ideas and more jank. It even has boats.

TWO WORLDS TWO FURIOUS

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>>375997501
>>375997578
holy lel

So what happens when you're carrying a 7 foot long pole in a 6 foot tall hallway and someone comes up behind you?

>>375998269
You stab it backwards and turn around.

>>375998019
Mage is the most fun because of the card system for creating spells and the complete lack of care the game has for balance.

Like the game will let you summon 12+ minions at once and if you just stack shit you end up with a spell that shoots 10 homing fireballs that ricochet twice and every single one hits like a truck. You can also do fancy shit like summon a bunch of anvils, form them into a spherical shield around you, then use a kinetic impulse to blast them 360 with incredible force.

>>375998269
Diagonals

>>375996342
It's no fun if they why away from anything you do.
>>375996382
If mount and blade has mechanics like that I might get into it.

I was really thinking more like Zelda style combat but having to use the spear like I said above.

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>>375998310
>You stab it backwards

>>375998269
You pull out the SI milspec tactical Shortsword sidearm

>>375998460
It has two ends, you realize. It isn't sharpened, but many spears have a pommel that be used to bash with. And you can batter the enemy with the pole itself.

>>375997465
You never realize how important Luck stats are until you don't have any.

>>375998367
Holy fucking mage mechanics.
Downloading as we speak, thanks.

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>>375993616
Because you'd need to create a whole new set of animations for them. Swords, maces and axes can all share the same animations for both one handed and two handed.

All about efficiency.

>>375998545
But now it's a fantastic beast and only the sharpened head is silver. Check mate, speartiests.

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>>375993920
I agree. Spears are boring. You thrust and thrust. You might make a spear that can slash like some of the jap ones but otherwise its just a dull straightforward lunge.

Part of the reason swords are so good is because you can parry, slash and stab with them. There is an idea to a sword where there is an extravagant dance of fight with parries slashes, stabs, all that stuff. It's the go-to weapon in choreography scenes precisely because of what it can do.

With weapons that are designed to be effective at a mid range distance you don't get that. The best a spear fag can hope for is a short-halberd because you can do arcing cleaves with it.

>>375998693
Diagonals nigger
The left corner of the floor is more than 7 feet from the right corner of the ceiling

>>375993616
they aren't.

>>375997561
Yeah, okay, Dark Souls is Dark Souls, but think about all the other games where a sword is the main weapon; if it were replaced with a spear you had all the time you could cheese the shit out of most encounters.
Like for example if you could have a moblin spear at any time in Wind Waker.

>>375998269
You don't walk down that hallway expecting to use it, and instead pull out your sidearm?

???

If you're the one defending in that hallway, you couldn't ask for a better weapon.

>Get like five bros
>Four guys with shields
>Form small pike and towershield wall
>Hold off attackers for hours

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Morrowind is the best just because it had Spears.

>>375993920
>>375998763
The obvious solution is pole-arms which offers a bigger array of attack moves.

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2 handed spear in monster hunter when?

>>375998763
I'm too lazy to copypaste this with sword and spear swapped.

>>375998865
Sounds like a shitty game.

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>>375997095
Ringed Knight Spear from the new DLC might be the best spear ever, in terms of having a cool and varied moveset. I want to see more of that in games.

>>375998763
>not being able to slash with spears
>what are glaives

>>375999140
>they're not spears

>>375998902
The main problem with pole arms is also the blade ration. A sword cuts down to the hilt and can have a diverse length range.

While you could implement a halberd or a glave you still run into close-quarter clipping issues. It's just a fact that people like to get face deep into enemies unless you mechanically design it so you basically can't swing your weapon when you get that close, which would be annoying.

Dark souls at the very least applies large damage reductions for things hit by the halberds pole.

>>375999140
I mentioned glaves, sort of. The jap slashing spears are basically the same shit.

>>375997323
I personally find the Heide swordsmen to be way more difficult than the spearmen. You can trivialize the spearmen with a shield, while the swordsmen have a bunch of sideswipe attacks so it's hard to find openings.

>>375993616
Spears are just like shotguns

If they were actually accurate they would be the best option and people would complain that rifles and swords would be useless.

>>375998763
>you can't parry with spears
>you can't sweep with spears

>>375999072
I love the weapon art for this. Leaping charge into spin attack into an upward thrust flame wave? And it buffs it with fire? That's rad.

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>>375999269
A) those are chinese, called the guandao. B) you can do slashes with a regular spear, you dingus.

>>375999184
yeah man totally not spears at all

>>375993616
how the fuck do you play 2 worlds 2? everything does more damage than you and attacking locks you in place

>>375993920
Spear combat is by no means any less interesting than sword fighting but since the focus is on aimed strikes, knocking weapons aside with the shaft, and limiting the opponents movement by striking at their legs, you can't really express the interesting part of spear fighting in most action games.

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>>375993616
Spears are shit tier

Now if you're talking about the actual good pole arms then we're in business

>>375999428
A spear is a stick with a pointed head, a glaive is a stick with a curved blade on it.

>>375993920
Bullshit >>375996875

Western developers are just pure shit at gameplay and most Japanese developers probably prefer large greatswords and swords in general instead.

>>375999719
>Alexander the Great
>Took over the world with spears

>Ching chong gook potato
>Took over a field

>>375999719
Guan Yu would wreck that weak shit.

>>375999808
Yeah man, totally can't slash with these.

>>375993920
This post is hand made to trigger me

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>>376000034
Forgot pic

Final Fantasy's Dragoons are a good example of how you can make spears look really cool

>>376000101
>>376000034
why would you

>>376000034
>>376000101
Not really, the intention is to be a thrusting motion and not a slashing one. The design of the head would make it a horrible slashing tool.

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>>375993920
>>375993616

Honest answer? White people got little pink dicks so they pretend like long spears don't exist.

Sorry, gladius-fags, stick to your short swords, daggers, etc. Us true niggas will hold the line with our spears.

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reverse image search led me to this. it's so cute how they still have RESIST on their avatars. oh neogaf, you silly, silly nu-males.

https://youtu.be/hNTFUNzeMVA?t=2m48s

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>>375999923
>Ching chong gook potato
>Took over a field

Moar liek Alexander the Fag

Also Video games


>>376000034
>Musoushit
>Wrecking anything that's not inanimate

>>375997323
>Ornstain
>Nameless
>Literally the biggest badasses in DS lore

>Spears are venerated and honorable weapons in every culture
>quarterstaff is treated as a nigger weapon

Quarterstaffs are the real spears.

>>375996602
>the event of some one grabbing below the spear tip and pulling it away from the user.
>Spears are for lines of infantry, all that Chinese ballet shit is just for show.

so you know nothing about spears and still want to post your shitty opinions like they are facts

>>376000836
they're practically spears without heads
reminds me of that weapon lindy came up with which would be pretty neat

>>375996342
knights could be pretty retarded actually
specially if they're french

>>376000973
What did he come up with? Is it a new video?

>>376001076
it was a bit ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U94q1eHwlf0

>>376000471

what game is it anyways

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>>375997696
She is a fat dog and she knows it. She gets self conscious at the beach.

Why are people talking about the "problems" of implementing spears due to being close or whatever when dark souls does it just fucking fine?
It even has collision with objects so stabbing weapons are better in tight spaces

Game developers haven't got any guts or brains. They copy what is popular and hope lightning will strike twice

>>375994562
dumb dogposter

>>376001307
Two Worlds Two

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Just get a Swordstaff and stop fighting niggers

>>375998985
Toukiden did that, it's shit.

>>375999383
thats actually true. with one of the attacks from the spear wielding heide knights you can easily backstab them, just make sure its that attack or else they'll spin around so fast time wont be convoluted anymore

>>375999923
>Neither Philip nor his son Alexander actually used the phalanx as their arm of choice, but instead used it to hold the enemy in place while their heavy cavalry broke through their ranks.

Spears were always a defensive line weapon and they were made obsolete by great swords and pikes. His elite spearmen, the hypaspists, all carried short swords as side arms.