Are people still playing this piece of shit? >shit animations

I can list all the negatives and none of the positives of the modern Elder Scrolls games too, you know.

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>question markers
Of course you're a mobileposter.

>>375986918
>no question markers
>no question markers
>no question markers
>no question markers
>question markers

The biggest problem with the game is the walk speed, and you couldn't even mention that because it's not a meme. Go back to playing your Xbone, homo.

>>375987113
I didn't want to state the most obvious. Also walking speed can be improved with enough walking. The other things will always be there.
>>375987091
>I hate efficiency. I want to read 50 pages of an unorganized shit journal (Which is another thing I should have mentioned) or run around like a retard in order to know what to do.

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>>375986918
>I loved Daggerfall
No you didn't, and most likely never even seen it.

what factions would an imperial leaning thief join? does the morag tong make sense?

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>>375988379
I said none of that, mobileposter. I was just quoting your autocorrect.
But to respond to that autism, it's called having functional short and long term memory. You can even install the mod that organizes your journal by quest if your mommy dwopped you on your wittle head as a baby.

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>>375988730
>assumptions

>>375986918
This is the state of 2017 /v/

moot save us all

>>375989368
Nice main menu faggot, now show your 200+ hours character

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This game is literal shit. Dogshit. Garbage. This WebM. sums up this digital diarrhea best.

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rate my shitty first ever character

why wont anyone tell me where i can join House Redoran, even the Redoran place in Vivec was useless

>empty and boring world

Of all the things you can say about Morrowind, this applies the least, especially when compared to other TES games

>>375989603
>0 fatigue
:^)

>>375989603
>There was a time when Morrowind was considered the best game of all time by /v/

>>375989631
It's an alright/10 character. Why have three melee specializations though? I would ask why the two armor specializations are there too but I'm guessing those are for being fashionable right? Also I hope you plan on spending your money on training restoration and enchant.

>>375989570
Do you honestly think I replayed it recently? It's been like 10 years since I had a 100 hours character.

Show me yours faggot.

>>375989631
>wears a helmet with robes
>paladin
>Elf
>Is a paladin elf

Absolutely disgusting.

>>375988821
Obviously House Hlaalu, Thieves Guild, and possibly the legion, if only because you gain access to the evidence chests at a high enough rank so you can recover from arrests easier. The religious sort might join the Cult. The Fighters Guild and/or Mages Guild also make sense depending on how well-versed in combat or magic you are. The Twin Lamps is also right up your alley, as it's in the unique position of being subversive to the law while also aligning with Imperial interests. You don't technically join them but their quests open up when you free enough slaves.

The Morag Tong is a stretch, it's probably the least imperial faction to join aside from the other two great houses. Even the Tribunal Temple makes more sense since the official stance of the Imperial Cult is tolerance and their scholars are not averse to joining it in the name of research, but becoming an assassin to carry out house war contracts only makes sense for the most pragmatic of motivations: purely for the ability to legally kill marked people and take their stuff.

>>375989996
So you just installed it to show this screenshot as a "proof" that you ever played it?
That's kind of pathetic.

>>375989631
Read some books in-game, especially the "Red Book of 3E 426" or the Guidebooks to the major cities. They'll tell you that the seat of House Redoran is Ald'ruhn, north of Balmora.

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>All the anti morrowind thread as of late.

I think I've outgrown /v/. Where am I supposed to go now?

>>375990314
It's just b8, there is no need to reply

>>375990314
Reddit

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>>375990314

To the next life, there's nothing left in this world after 4chan.

>>375989680
>I love FOG and BROWN POLYGONAL VEGETATION
>I love finding cookie cutter tombs and cookie cutter caves
Now I'm not saying Oblivion and Skyrim were much butter, but at least they had a handful of good views, even in vanilla.

>>375990314
Don't take the OPs of these threads too seriously. The simple fact is that the best way to start a Morrowind thread is with bait. People are much quicker to defend the game than merely discuss it, so starting with the former opens up the latter.

>>375990314
99% of them are just Morrowind threads and not "anti". Starting off with bait just gets you best results for discussion on /v/.

>valid criticism of something I like is bait
Are all Morrowind players underage?

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WELL HE AINT MY BOY

BUT THE BROTHA IS HEAVY

>>375990126
Actually it's been on my PC for several months but I never got to play it again because other, newer games demanded my attention.

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>>375986918
Did you just go full nigger? It's FO:NV Fantasy edition on adderal. Only Gothic 2 compares.

>>375990567
Because the game he """likes""" (Daggerfall) literally has all these flaws except much worse

This is your only (You), spend it well

>>375990779
That is a fair point, but in Daggerfall they can be excused due to its age and the fact that the rest of the game is so much more engaging.

>>375989631
The fuck are you doing there m8?

>>375991007
>rest of the game is so much more engaging

You mean nothing but dungeon crawling?

Oh for fuck's sake.
Now I have to reinstall it again, thanks a lot faglords.

>>375989631
Don't listen to the fags. Religion is a heavy part of Morrowind and the temple has its own quest line and hubs

Elven paladin is perfectly logical

>>375991083
>nothing but dungeon crawling
I hate when people say what I'm about to say, but you are literally playing the game wrong.

I still play a lightly modded rerun of Morrowind every couple years. It's one of the only games I play anymore.

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>tfw I first started playing Morrowind 4 years ago
>200 hours or so later I lightly modded it
>enjoying it even more now
Why is it so fucking good?

>>375986918
>dungeons all look the same
>don't get me wrong, I loved Skyrim

Eh. I've seen better bait.

>>375990342
>>375990493
>>375990532
>Morrowind players are already so fucking brainwashed by this piece of shit that they simply dismiss every valid criticism as bait

>>375991256
t. Skyrimcuckold

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>>375991256
>anons realize it's bait
>call you out for it
>proceed to go full damage control mode

>>375991256
There is not a single valid criticism of Morrowind in this thread. You can't present one either.

Morrowind is great, but i kind of agree.

There's so many games out there, I can't understand why anyone would still be playing morrowind.

>le epic *miss* meme
Imagine having such crippling stupidity that you can't play a video game properly

Did Vivec, Almalexia and Sotha Sil really kill Indoril Nerevar?

>>375989631
Looking alright, friend. Your restoration is pretty low for a "Paladin" so you might want to find a spellmaker to get some cheaper spells you can reliably cast. Perhaps a small restore fatigue spell so you can run everywhere in your heavy armor without worrying too much. Otherwise Restoration will continue to lag behind the rest due to lack of use, creating a vicious circle.

>>375986918
>dialogue is always the same
>dungeons all the same
>buggy as fuck
>shit animation
>I loved skyrim
You're supposed to make it believable

>>375991492
Majority of modern games are garbage. Thinks have been on a donward swing since 1998. And while there are plenty of games out there, few of them are worth playing

>valid criticisms
There weren't any in this thread. Literally all of them are stale bait pasta which was regurgitated over and over again for the last five years or so, yet you are buttmad that people are tired of it.

>>375991548

Of course.

Vivec probably watched on in horror and felt bad about it afterwards.

Or murdered Indoril himself with a spear to the eye socket.

Who knows with that crazy guy

They definitely killed him for access to the heart

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>>375991492
Honestly I prefer it because I'm getting real fucking sick of multiplayer games. Getting grouped up with retards is frustrating. Also getting burnt out on dark souls, and have no interest in P5, Breath of the wild (which was painfully mediocre) or Nier automata so I've been going back to Morrowind and playing older games I missed out on.

>>375986918
Everything you greentexted I agree with except
>no question markers
You mean quest markers? That would be shit. Morrowind did it right, it just needed better menus and more specific directions for certain quests.

>>375991706

But Vivec said that it was a lie.

Vivec wouldn't lie to you, would he?

>>375991651
Also the music is always the fucking same.

The game has literally only 10-15 tracks on loop.

Compare that to Final Fantasy where every song is a fucking master piece that you could listen forever without getting tired of it.

>>375986918
The dungeons in this are infinitely better than anything in subsequent games and the world is great. It actually feels like you're in an alien world, whereas Oblivion and Skyrim just feel like you went for a strenuous hike.

I hate to be that faggot, but mods make it better. The only good vanilla TES game is Daggerfall.

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Has the dust settled on Redguard yet? Can we finally discuss the greatest game in the series?

>>375991706
The sermons literally spell out a coded message that admits he did it

>>375986918
>Empty world

It's one of the most densely packed open world games ever made, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>375986918
>No quest markers
Opinion discarded.

>>375991883
Obligatory 'we wuz' /pol/ hoke

>>375991438
>There is not a single valid criticism of Morrowind in this thread.

The game has action rpg combat despite still using dice-rolls. So, any player will intrinsically believe that when their weapon connects with the target it should do some damage, only it doesn't because of arbitrary shit that even when they're prepped for it still happens.

Because block isn't active, it becomes a boring passive skill and thus the combat becomes entirely about offense.

Despite being entirely about offense, the different angles that you swing at actually have no other purpose that being pointless. The game even has an option to just always use the best attack anyways.

Thus combat is pretty floaty and all around unsatisfying. It lacks the puzzle-solving element of a good turn-based rpg. It lacks the kinetic action of a good arpg.

That's just one. But Morrowind fags will never do anything more than dismiss it or say it doesn't matter. It's like a prerequisite that you have to be that delusion to be a Morrowind fag. You can't just admit it's a genuine flaw of the game that will just get worst as time goes by.

>>375991918

He's clearly lying there.

>>375992036
>You can't present one either.
Looks like I was right.

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There is no better indication that the game is good other than bait threads on /v/ so people can start hating it.

>>375992036
Morrowind fags just hate to admit that all they really want to do is read a good fantasy novel.

And Morrowind wouldn't even be a good novel, just average junk.

>>375992036
Dice rolls for combat is great because it means the main character actually has a role and isn't some Marry Sue character who can use any weapon at any time with zero training.

>>375988853
It's not even a mod. They do it with the expansions.

>>375991762
>>375991706
Vivec is Todd. Nerevar is MK.
Also honestly if anyone felt bad afterwards, it was Sotha Sil. Fairly certain Silly boy was interested in the heart for scientific purposes, like the Dwemer were. Vivec is the anticipation of the edgiest of the tribunal, two-faced and deceptive in every way, shape and form and I don't doubt that he romanticized the powers they gained to Almalexia (and boned her multiple times) to remove her sense of remorse.

>>375991882
Every game in the world could be made better by mods if they had construction sets as in-depth as TES games. Most games out there just release level editors or some shit if anything at all, while TES ships with the tool the devs used to create the entire game.

Daggerfall in many ways is in the most need of "mods", namely unofficial fixes to the many broken quests. But with the latest official patch at least it's playable, and when combined with all the unofficial patches it's great. Vanilla Morrowind with the latest official patches, expansions, and DLC is great as well, and can be further improved with stuff like the code patch and MPP.

>>375992171
On the contrary, Morrowind would make for a shit novel. I guess it might make for a decent TV series or movie that focuses on environments and atmosphere, but that's a big stretch. Morrowind is great only as a video game. The freedom and interactivity is superb, and it shines most when the player is directing their own journey. It wouldn't translate to any other medium. That honestly applies to all Bethesda games to some extent: the games are almost nothing but pure gameplay for better and for worse. Fallout 4's slight drift towards a more cinematic approach was met with criticism from even their mainstream fans, so it seems that their audience knows what they want as well.

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>>375992461
dwemer weren't really interested in the heart scientifically, they were interested in it apotheosisically. Sotha Sil had a scientific interest, and his own pursuits of godhood go from a completely different angle, to the point where he outright rejects the dwemer as the whiny useless babies they are.

>>375992983
Eh. Guess I need to do me a little more reading.

Tribunal made me hate both Vivec and Almalexia (because Vivec is just awful and Almalexia is a whore) whereas Sotha Sil is still sort of neutral to me so he's the least worse.

>>375987113
It's actually the accuracy-based combat. I love morrowind though
>finding nicest house in balmora and killing the occupants and living in it as your own
>dwemer ruins were much cooler

>>375989804
That's why this thread exists. Solely to fuck with people.

>>375989603
I recently got back into it and the combat annoyed me for like an hour until I got a half decent weapon, and then it was fine. too easy if anything.

>>375991202
I think it's because you can actually role play your character and the dialogue and lore was well written. There were so many options in regard to skills, weapons, and magic and factions you could almost do anything. And you could kill whoever you wanted pretty much whenever you wanted for more authenticity.

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>>375989978
i just thought you were supposed to pick skills that went with the right attribute, mine being strength

enchant and medium armor i dont know why i picked, i didnt know shit about this game when i started, wish i could change it

>>375990126
>getting btfo'd this hard and still shitposting
kys

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>>375994670

>>375994525
Trust me, you don't want to drop enchant.

>>375995392
i wouldnt even know how to if i wanted to. i guess what i really want to drop now is spear and medium armor or something

>>375995449
It's not something you need to concern yourself with. In every TES game after Arena your class is merely a suggestion. You can still max out non-class skills and get them even higher than your class skills. Hell, in Oblivion doing exactly that was basically the key to not getting literally weaker as you level up. The only permanent effects of classes are Advantages/Disadvantages in Daggerfall and Birthsigns in Morrowind and Oblivion.

>>375986918
What's the most fun way to play a magic character? Some kind of pure mage, a nightblade type stealthy mage, or battlemage? Or something else?

>>375994408
>Dialogue
>Well Written
>It's all encyclopedic entries
>Lots of times they'll bring up random shit not even related to your question like an irl sperglord
There's better ways of conveying deepest lore then making all your characters the poster child for autism.

>>375995842
You can go stealthy mage really easy with Illusion and Alteration. Pure Mage is the most fun though.

>>375990589
what the fuuuuuuuuuck
howyoudthat

>>375996230
he's obviously playing on god mode

do i have to be wearing all heavy armor to only level up heavy armor when i get attacked? im wearing a heavy helm, chest, and gauntlets but regular clothes and light boots. is that going into my unarmed and light armor?

>>375986918
>>*miss* *miss *miss*
This is how you can tell someone never made it past level 1.

Using the exploit to break the game is really fun.
Forcing yourself to use 0 exploit is even more fun.
Strictly roleplaying by restricting certain weapons is a shitton fun.

I recommend a "bow and potion only" run, no magic, no melee, no stealth.
Raising other skills through the trainer for levelling is allowed.

>>375996363
Yes, depending on where you're hit (which is actually chosen randomly, there is no actual body part hit detection) you get a skill raise for the armor type you're wearing there.
So if you want to only raise heavy armor then you should only wear heavy armor.

>>375996363
Each time you are attacked, one of your armor slots is randomly selected. If there's equipment there it will take damage and you will gain experience in the relevant skill. If there's no equipment there you will gain Unarmored.

I'm not 100% sure on this but I think even if you're fully armored but without a shield it will count towards your unarmored skill if it picks the shield slot.

Wearing clothes over or under armor has no effect on this. Also note that the slot it picks is ONLY used for durability and skill experience. Your actual damage reduction is still based on your total armor value.

how viable is stealth in this game? can i assassinate people with a dagger or bow?

>>375996739
Overpowered as fuck like always in TES games.

>>375996565
>I'm not 100% sure on this but I think even if you're fully armored but without a shield it will count towards your unarmored skill if it picks the shield slot.
It's like that in vanilla game but can be fixed with MCP.

>>375996806
At what level does Sneak become usable? At 15 I can't even train it myself because it never works. I should pay a trainer to level it up but up to what level?

>>375996739
Stealth is extremely useful when it comes to hiding, stealing, and pickpocketing, but it's one of those skills that is almost impossible to raise unless you already have a boost from training or picking it as a major. Trying to sneak around at skill level 5 will almost always fail and very rarely give you any experience as a result. Once it's in the midrange it's one of the fastest leveling skills by far, however.

When it comes to actual combat and stealth attacks, there's two aspects to it. First of all, if you are not detected when you perform any attack, the target's evasion is ignored. In this manner, stealth attacks with both melee and ranged weaponry have a higher chance to hit when sneaking. You can still miss from other factors like low weapon skill, of course. As for bonus damage, Sneak Attacks do exist in Morrowind but they are much stronger for melee attacks, quadrupling your damage. You only get a 50% damage boost for ranged sneak attacks. These multipliers are not increased by skill or anything else, so it's actually better to sneak attack with your slowest heaviest and most damaging weapon than it is with a dagger. The main reason a thief would prefer a short blade is because they're so much lighter than other weapons, making moving around a lot easier for their typically low strength.

Finally, one trick is to enchant your weapon with a cast-on-strike calm or command effect and keep sneaking throughout the battle, allowing you to get an extra sneak attack or two when they disengage from combat.

>>375997231
High 30s is when it starts to become reasonable to use frequently. It's a common misconception that you need to be moving for sneak to level up, but any time spent sneaking undetected within range of a creature or NPC while undetected will add to your skill. If you want to save money on training you might find some success practicing it on passive but slow/stationary creatures like scribs and kwama queens.

>>375997231
It becomes noticeably useful at 35-40 sneak and 50 agility. Low/high agility compensates for low/high sneak skill.
You can grind for it by installing MCP so you can toggle it on and putting yourself on automove just outside some static NPC's line of sight, no matter if you're "sneaking" against a wall and not actually moving, it will still rise reliably.

>>375997525
>It's a common misconception that you need to be moving for sneak to level up, but any time spent sneaking undetected within range of a creature or NPC while undetected will add to your skill.

Wow, didn't know that. That'll save me a lot of trouble, thanks.

I see the OP from yesterday learned how to make a morrowind thread.

>>375986918
looking back on MW, I also found the lack of soundtrack variation really horrible.

it's just the main theme repeating itself.
I can only play MW with the Overhaul mod.

and yeah, Skyrim is easily the best TES in terms of content and animations and what experience it offers.
Daggerfall is hard to compare to the newer games because of how much they moved forward.

>>375989804
/v/ has no say in any such matters.

it's usually unreflected fanyboyism and should be ignored at all times because /v/ is full of children.

>>375997525
>The main reason a thief would prefer a short blade is because they're so much lighter than other weapons, making moving around a lot easier for their typically low strength.
That and the fact that they attack so fast compared to other weapons. Since the majority of attacks cause hitstun/stagger effects, faster-attacking weapons are better from a defensive standpoint to make enemy attacks less frequent due to their higher time spent flinching. Definitely something a thief with their low armor and health compared to combat classes would appreciate.

>>375998610
>Overhaul mod
You mean MGSO? How's that, any gud?
Does it only change graphics and sounds and nothing else?

>>375995064
MEME XD

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>>375999447

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i finally fucking did it lads

>>376000286
the absolute madman

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>>375991883
Hello Todd

am i a pleb for liking skyrim?

morrowind is obviously superior tho

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>>376000558
Is this real?

>>375986918
>clearly hit enemy
>against his hitbox
>didn't hit him
>uninstall


I don't give a fuck what people say this is fucking garbo

I hate how weak your toon is at the beginning but like the development at the end where your toon literally kills a god

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>>376000691
Yes.

>>376000561
I'm currently doing a mostly unmodded Skyrim run because I never ever actually finished it once.
It's fun to fuck around in.

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>>376000763
What a legend.

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>>376000763

>>375988379
Even with 100 speed and 100 athletics you're still pretty slow.

>>375999250
sorry for late reply.
It changes walking animations and some weapon animations too. I'm sure you can look it up.

but even if it was sound and graphics overhauling alone, it's still so worth it alone for that.

>>375991883
WE

>>376000750
>toon

>>376000561
no. it's an excellent game.

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>>375986918

>>376001034
DIDN'T

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>>376000558
Source: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg/DG9E0PxkmWo

>>376000858
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg/S72d8jRFAaE/Dio4dERpgL8J

There's some amazing shit on Google's Usenet archives. /v/ essentially predates 4chan by decades.

>>376001094
START

>>375986918
Ah, i was wondering when the daily mandatory morrowind shitposting thread will occur. Anon you forgot to bitch about being able to miss hits, to make it believeable.

hmm, I wonder why I never see any of you little bitches complaining about enemies missing you even though they all follow the same combat rules
truly a mystery

>>376000561
It's a decent game

True subhumans are the Oblivion fans

>tfw you'll never own the collector's edition

im lucky enough to have the strategy guide tho

>>375986918
And for all those faults, it's still better than any modern TES title.

And it's getting better too, OpenMW is more stable than the original now.

>>376001991
>Oblivion
>Fixed the shitty combat
>Not a watered down plebfest like Skyrim
Are Morrowind autists seriously this retarded?

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>>375988379
>unorganized

yeah you didnt play it

>>376002240

>if you level too much the game becomes impossible

what did they mean by this?

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>>375991548
are you fucking kidding they did that shit without thinking twice

but dagoth ur was still an asshole

everyone was assholes

>>376001284
THE FIRE

>>376002357
>Go into combat
>*miss**miss**miss*
>Start a conversation with a person
>Hello my name is Fjord. Did you know that the George R. Kress House is a Tudor Revival-style home in a canyons area of Los Angeles, California that was built in 1931. It was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1998...
>Ask for directions
>It's by this one rock somewhere on the map go look for it yourself idgaf
What did he mean by this?

>>376002330
He might have played it on console. The journal improvements never came to the Xbox port.

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>>376002357
Holy fuck I just remembered how horrendous the level scaling was in Oblivion.

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>>376002578

I like to think it was all done on purpose to keep mentally deficient autists from playing and enjoying one of the greatest games of it's time.

And it worked too.

>>375986918
>implying animations matter
>implying all NPCs are the same
>implying i don't build my character correctly to avoid that
>implying the game doesn't have question markers
>implying it is actually buggy as fuck
>implying the world is empty and boring
>implying dungeons all look the same

countered every single one of your unsubstantiated arguments with the equal arguments, except mine are actually true.

>>376002496
I want to fuck the chitin tits.

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>>376002578
I can't believe we've gotten to the point where casual scum like you post your faggotry openly and without shame.

could someone explain to me how to miss so fucking often that it becomes a problem?
i've seen the shitty fake webm's and i've seen the webm where a guy builds the absolute worst possible character and still has 0 issues killing mudcrabs and such

>>376002714
christ alive i forgot how delusional morrowindfags are

This is objectively the best game in TES, and one of the greatest RPGs ever, and that is in spite of its flaws (horrendous loading time, almost illegible journal layout). Hlaalu fags represent.

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>>375996565
>>375996520
>depending on where you're hit (which is actually chosen randomly, there is no actual body part hit detection)
>Each time you are attacked, one of your armor slots is randomly selected

holy shit i never knew this

>>376002776
>empty fatigue
Honestly I'm surprised they even let you read the journal in that state. Given the rest of the game design you'd expect them to randomly jumble the words in all menus if you operate them at less than full fatigue.

>>376002859
Fatigue only affects combat. You can run forever with it at 0.

>>376002843
>horrendous loading time

what? its like 5 seconds

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>>376002843

>>376001180
holy fuck todd

>>376002972
Fatigue also affects persuasion, bartering, maybe also alchemy.

I play it more than anything else probably. I recently read this old ass blog where someone wrote a diary about their playthrough in a first person perspective. It gave me more enjoyment for the early game where I usually rush.

I love setting up a comfy house with blue and red candles.

>>376002972
It also affects persuasion, lockpicking, spellcasting, and even the fucking prices you get when trading. Any time there's a skill check, there's a fatigue check too.

>>376002972
>People spam *miss*
>Hurr it's because of low fatigue
>Hurr you're tired you can't hit anything
>Open a book with fatigue meter depleted
>Nothing
If you're tired enough to not hit anything, you're tired enough not to be able to open a book.

>>376002357
>>376002697
http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/13879/?
All it requires to become playable is a very simple change to leveling which makes your attributes raise on their own depending on used skills. Bam, you can now just choose relevant skills for your character on creation instead of nosepicking and basketweaving.

>>376002972
fatigue affects literally everything you do which has any kind of success rate

if you're sweaty and panting how are you gonna expect some fucker to buy your big golden shitass for at least 75% of the base value

>Morrowind
>empty fatigue
>you can still do everything but way shittier

>Daggerfall
>empty fatigue
>you collapse and die

>>376003156
lmao what kind of books do you have

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>>375986918
>Are people still playing this piece of shit?

I'm not, because I have a toaster and it isn't on any Sony consoles

>>375987091
Who's the semen demon?

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>>376002843
>hlaalufag

wheres your precious empire gonna be when Baar Dau comes

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>>376003049
>>376003103
>>376003231
Huh, I never knew it effected bartering or persuasion. I always slept to recover HP when I entered towns (unless I was just going to turn in a quest), that would explain the price differences when shops were far away from the entrance.

>>376003256
To be fair, given that empty fatigue in Morrowind is equivalent to how you feel after a sprint*, you really shouldn't be in any state to open and read a book.


*If you don't understand what I mean, then it's probably more like how you feel after having to walk to the fridge for a mountain dew.

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>>376002843
>This is objectively the best game in TES, and one of the greatest RPGs ever
Wow anon, you seem pretty coo-
>its flaws ... almost illegible journal layout >Hlaalu fags represent.

>>376003378
damn you're really trying with that post man
have a (You)

>>376003428
Those are legitimate flaws on xbox. I have no excuse for the second comment, though. I'm pretty sure most people who join Hlaalu do so by accident.

>>376003296
it works on toasters tho

>>376003429
Thank you. I'm not sure how the etiquette works on this sort of thing but I'll reciprocate just in case.

>>376003495
I can't remember vanilla XBox's journal, but GotY's was fine.

>>376003532
You don't understand what I mean by "toaster".

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>>375986918

very low effort

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>all these xboxposters

what the fuck you guys, i only played morrowind on xbox when i was a kid and too dumb to know better

>>375986918
No. Waiting for Skywind.

>>376003573
>I can't remember vanilla XBox's journal, but GotY's was fine.
Xbox's GotY edition didn't include the quest tracker that the PC got with Tribunal, unfortunately. It got most of the other benefits like the health bars, at least. But you still had to flip through dozens or hundreds of pages to read earlier journal entries, which are all 100% chronological.

>>376003728
>which are all 100% chronological.
So what the hell's the problem? People who can't into reading are why we got goddamn quest markers and shit.

Fuck, I mad.

>>376003826
It's fine if you do one quest at a time. If you don't remember WHEN you started a quest then it's a fucking nightmare. And if you're doing multiple quests at a time the entries are all between each other, which is great if you want to read a log of your adventure but garbage if you want to keep track of what the fuck is happening in any given quest. The PC's quest filters fixed all of that effortlessly.

>>376003156
i'd love to see you hit me with a sword when you're so tired you can barely lift it up.
ten bucks says i would dodge/parry it every single time

>>376000745
>0 STAMINA

Look the meme arrow even converts it to the colour of the bar that fucks you over when it hits zero!

>>376003920
Then write your own journal, faggot. Then you can bookmark it however your stupid ass wants. Morrowind is the last game I played (in terms of release date) that made me bust out a pen and paper, and that's fucking sad.

>>376004046
don't you just love games that actually makes you remember or take out a pen&paper?
the handholding these days have gotten way out of hand

>>376003920
>but garbage if you want to keep track of what the fuck is happening in any given quest
Or are a moron, I guess.

I had literally zero problem with it.

>lose place in quest
>look for entries of quests I was doing around that time
>find it
>it's literally like real life reading and shit

>>376004046
Damn someone's as mad I am for a change.

>Then you can bookmark it however your stupid ass wants
In total fairness, I guess that's what the PC ""fix"" did. I can kind of understand, I guess. People do use sticky notes and bookmarks and shit.

I'm 99% sure GotY xbox Morrowind had a wikipedia-style search function, though. It seems so familiar.

>>375996739
>>375997231
Nobody else mentioned it so I'll just add that an NPC's stealth skill and agility is used in their favor for detection chance. In other words, it's much harder to sneak or pickpocket a thief than a warrior. This is how it goes for most of Morrowind's skill checks, including persuasion: NPCs with high speechcraft are also more resistant to persuasion attempts, which the game doesn't communicate clearly. You can get an estimate of these values by asking for their "background" and "my trade" to learn about their class and if it involves speech or stealth.

>>376004046
I'm just saying that the PC version has an awesome journal and the Xbox port doesn't. You can supplement that with your own logging, which is great, but if you just want to use the tools of the game to keep track of your adventure then you're at a major disadvantage on console.

Another great PC-only feature is map notes. Effectively letting you "write your own journal" in the game by leaving permanent notes all over the local maps to keep track of item and NPC locations or what you were doing last in a given spot.

>>376004259
>Effectively letting you "write your own journal" in the game by leaving permanent notes all over the local maps to keep track of item and NPC locations or what you were doing last in a given spot.
I did that shit with a spare real map that game with the game.

Fuck mustards, that was some real fucking immersion. Shit's fucking dead now.

What if Morrowind remake with proper animations so casuals don't complain about how they can't hit anything when they have 0 stamina and are about about to collapse from exhaustion?

Would be immersive as fuck

It's free fucking money Bethesda, do it

>>376004408
Fuck that noise, just package it with the rest of the TES games in a bundle a la GTA and get that shit on PS4.

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>>376004114
Nowadays instead of taking notes I just pretend I noted it and when I need it I just look it up in the web.

oh boy. One month before TESO Morrowind release and suddenly the Morrowind threads start popping up daily.

THIS IS A ASTROTURFING CAMPAIGN
BETHESDA DOES THIS FOR EVERY GAME
SAGE
IGNORE

>>376004162
>I'm 99% sure GotY xbox Morrowind had a wikipedia-style search function, though. It seems so familiar.
You might be thinking of the topic browser, which both the Xbox and PC had since day one. This is a totally separate function from the quest updates you read on the journal, but in many ways even more useful since it includes every single line of dialogue ever. The directions you get from NPCs are usually abbreviated in the journal updates, so going back to the topic that started or advanced the quest is even better.

>>376004351
That's great. I just put the map on my wall but it's certainly detailed enough to use for actual navigation and note-taking. But the simple fact is that the PC versions have these quality-of-life features to increase immersion: letting you actually use the in-game journal and map as intended instead of taking your eyes off the game and creating your own tools. But the latter has its own fun. I did a similar thing for the original Legend of Zelda, making a grid of the whole map to keep track of which areas I've explored/torched/used the flute in. It's a valid way to play but the fact is that Morrowind's vanilla journal was near-universally criticized and the Tribunal fixes (which never made it to Xbox) were a seen as a major improvement.

As far as I'm concerned these kinds of things are in the "if you don't want to use them, then don't" category along with quest markers and fast travel. If it help casuals get into a great game they otherwise would have dropped then it's an objectively good thing. What really pisses me off is what Bethesda did in Oblivion and Skyrim, and actually REPLACE the detailed journals with quest markers and REPLACE Morrowind's myriad ways to get around the map with universal fast travel. The problem isn't the added convenience, it's the removed features.

>>376004793
>along with quest markers and fast travel.
No, wrong.

Because if quest markers, they completely abandoned descriptive notation of locations.

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>>376004793
>topic browser
It was some good shit. Make sure to ask every shipmaster, caravener, gondolier, and teleporter you see about "destination" to get a topic in your journal which will basically tell you how to get anywhere from anywhere else.

>>376004965
If you read the next two sentences you'll find that you're in complete agreement.

>>376002843

Same anon. My bad , was referring to xbox version.

>>375990589
STOP FUCKING CHEATING YOU SCUM
YOU SHOULD HAVE MISSED ALL THOSE HITS

>>376004586
Why do you think people are constantly shitting on Morrowind in these threads. Getting Todd all riled up is fun as fuck.

>>375990589
>missed one of four

Pure fucking garbage never playing this shit again fuck you Todd I want my money back

>>376004586
You are the first person I've seen mention TESO in any of these threads. Its pretty safe to say anybody who enjoys Morrowind doesn't play that dead shit MMO anyway. Also it turned 15 on May 1st.

>>376004586
>implying there haven't been near-daily Morrowind threads for the past 10 years

>>376005293
There's definitely been more the last couple days in particular.

I don't know if it's TESO or not, but it's definitely something.

>>376005375
I don't know but I'm suddenly very interested in TESO. Did you know they're doing a Morrowind expansion? That's one of my favorite games in the series so it's pretty exciting imo.

>>376004046
Oh come on, being mad over quest bookmarks is just being contrarian for the hell of it. This is such a small thig that improves quality of life without making the trip easier. All it gives you is ease of access to the same information.
Or are you arguing that spending time looking for that one page is part of the experience?

>>376005440
Kek.

But no seriously TESO is fucking trash. I can't even believe those fuckers can sleep at night charging what they do for all that garbage.

>literally $13 for vanity outfits

It's insanity. And I'm pretty sure the TESO Gold or whatever it's called costs more than a WoW or FFXIV sub.

>>376005440
TESO is the complete opposite of Morrowind. Quests are always linear and there are quests markers for everything. Just always press the first dialog option and follow the arrow. Never have to read any of the story.

>>376005719
>Never have to read any of the story.
And why would you? It's non-canon and derivative as fuck.
>You are our only hope
>I don't know why, I can just tell things about people
>So here, total stranger I just met, have the keys to the safe and all my worldly belongings and rank and title in this guild
>You've earned it by talking to those two NPCs and watching me have a scripted fight that looked like something from SNES with a third

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>>376005965
A third... what?

>>376006061
Third NPC?

Context clues my nigga.

>>376006154
Oh that's kind of boring.

>>376007440
>anybody want mushrooms on their pizza?
>warning: dangerously immersive game
Where did they find these people? I used to read gaming mags mostly for shit like that to be honest though.

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>enchant bow with drain 100 health on strike for 1 sec
>sneak attack anyone

>>375986918
I hated it when I first played it but eventually the story and world design really grew on me.

Mods can fix graphics and large gameplay flaws.

>>376007789
Enchantments on strike don't work on bows, now stop trying to fit in