DENUVO IS FINISHED

If you don't protect your investment it will lose value.

Imagine a town without cops; it's the same thing.

>>375983580
how much of a loser do you have to be to make an image like this

>>375983790
Mad

Damn prey is about to get btfo

>>375983779
>>375983790
mad as fuck right now

So they'll make a new version, it'll work for another month (i.e. protect the important release weeks), and get cracked again.

It's doing its job by being there just long enough, something old copy protections hadn't done anymore. It's not something revolutionary, and I have no idea how their marketing convinced everyone it is.

And that's fine. If you want the game for free, you can wait for a bit.

>>375983779
>>375983964
Here comes the shills.

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>>375983580
>Scrawny NEETs thinking they can overpower that lone warrior
This delusion.

>>375983894
Quite the opposite; Denuvo getting cracked is good for everyone.
It's just that you need to understand why developers and publishers do it

>but The Witcher 3
The Witcher series is so insanely popular it will sell enough to turn a profit, no matter how many people pirate it. Same reason why Fallout 4 doesn't use it.

>>375983580
They spend the money because they answer to their parent companies, who answer to their board of directors, who answer to the shareholders, who are idiots who don't have any understanding of how the industry works and actually think that the kind of people who pirate everything would actually pay money if they can't get around DRM.

How can I get into cracking, I'm a programmer

>>375983580
So Prey will have a torrent up soon?

Anti-pirating fags are the vegans of /v/

>>375983580
>if i like the game, i'll totally buy this time. Honest!

>>375984087
Denuvo is unnecessary and is harmful to the honest consumer.

>>375983894
>>375983817
only thing i am mad about is turning someone's artwork into a shitty retarded meme image

>>375984037
Well you just have to run away fast is all. That armor was heavy as shit.

what about dishonored 2

>>375983580
>MONTHS after release
>still only words and no games
whoa whoa let me refund everything on steam

>>375984259
maybe you could get denuvo for it

>>375984164
doesn't sound like it

>>375984283
Knights in full armor could sprint at full speed, barely slower than unarmored people. That armor isn't as heavy as it looks, and custom-tailored to allow high degrees of mobility. Plus, they were trained as fuck.

>>375984324
>reeeee

Let's think about this from a different point of view. Devs/publishers will always shell out money for DRM because they think it will protect games from being pirated and therefore more sales.

So how would you convince them that its more profitable to not invest in DRM? Be serious here. If you can't think of anything but meme replies then you can't complain about companies always using DRM. It's the best idea anyone can think of right now, what else are you going to do?

>>375984283
Apparently it wasn't that heavy based upon the videos of random fags literally rolling around in the armor on youtube.

>>375984218
Nope. I'll never buy a game which has or had Denuvo on it. It's a clear sign that the team behind the game weren't confident with it, so they tried to prevent pirates from pointing out its glaring flaws during the first week.

>>375983580
witcher 3 is literal proof DENUVO is a waste. They just want an excuse why their trash games don't sell.

>>375984037
The princess cucked him and stabbed him in the back

It's a wagecucks destiny

>>375983580
So where's Nier then?

>>375984453
>So how would you convince them that its more profitable to not invest in DRM?
Sit them down with the dev of FTL and have him tell them about how piracy helped his sales by increasing word of mouth.

>>375984236
I've bought four games protected with it (Lords of the Fallen, Metal Gear Solid V, DOOM and Nier Automata). Haven't touched Automata yet but Lords, MGS and Doom ran fine in my toaster. Well, Lords had slowdown in open places but I blame the developers. Denuvo didn't bother me, and now that the three games are cracked I'll be able to play them even if Denuvo's developer goes bankrupt and their servers are gone.

I'll rather have PC games with Denuvo than no PC games at all. After all, it's easier and more profitable to develop exclusively for console

>>375984468
Not only a thief but also a pedantic critic. Got it.

>>375984590
That's the difference between a small indie dev and a large publisher. The indie dev relies on word of mouth, he can't afford a marketing campaign. The large publisher pays people to shill the game for him, he doesn't need word of mouth nearly as much.

>>375984218
I only buy games that are really cheap and can't be pirated, like Blizzard games.

>>375984590
The exception is not the rule. Far as most developers are concerned, they don't want 600 faggots out of 1200 playing their game for free that they just spent time, effort, money on to produce.

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>>375983580
Dev here.

Because Denuvo gains time for us. The big sales are usually in a frame of time of 2 to 4 weeks. After that point, money are just crumbs of the main sale.

If Denuvo give is that time, it pays alone.

>>375984590
>"Pirates are more important than actual customers"
Here we fucking go
Also, FTL was a kickstarted project; the developer had no investment to recoup.

>>375984775
>muh first month sales
>muh first week sales

What's next: Muh first hour sales?

>>375983580
Do we have a 34 of pirates fucking that princess yet?

>>375984805
>"Pirates are more important than actual customers"
I'd post a picture of a strawman but I haven't properly licensed it and I don't want you to burst a blood vessel.

>>375984775
>Dev here
Please tell me what projects you have worked on.

>inb4 unreleased (and forever to be like that) indie game

>>375984775
Fucking Resident Evil 7 got cracked in less than 5 days mate

>>375984775
Thats only due to games being shit that can only sell based on hype and preorders.

>>375984775
but...but... pirates can't get it in the first 2 weeks to spread word of mouth!

>>375984858

First month week is great
if denuvo do a whole month is better than great.

So, a world with denuvo for us is better than a world without one.

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>>375984891
Nope. Pic related.

>>375984775
I could get behind this but only if that shit got removed per patch after said time frame.

>>375983964
there is literally nothing false with what this guy is saying

OPs question has been answered

lets vacate

/thread

>>375983580
The idea isn't to make it permanently uncrackable, it's just to shield that crucial sales period of 2 weeks from lazy pirates.

Dedicated pirates (kids who have to ask mommy for games) aren't gonna be stopped either way, but they're not exactly lost sales.

>>375984775
>my stark generalizations are true because I'm a dev!

>>375984934
What are reviews (paid and non paid), lets plays, online forums, gameplay trailers?

Not sure why pirates are so delusional that they convince themselves its okay to steal a game and play it for 4 hours before they determine if they like it which they never even end up buying anyway.

>we still don't have a crack for Nier Autonomous Collective

>>375985287
>steal
oh man bait

>>375984468
>prevent pirates from pointing out its glaring flaws

This guy seriously thinks exposing the flaws of a game is the point of piracy

>>375984590
Alright, let's imagine that scenario. An indie game dev trying to tell big game companies that the only reason people know his game exists is because they pirated it.

>How much exposure did piracy get you?
>How much of that exposure translated into sales?
>Since your game was crowd funded to begin with, how important was making money with this game to you?

Not only that, you have to remember that a lot of games aren't going to benefit from this recognition thing. What, you think gamers are going to go "Assassin's Creed? Never heard of it" or something? Plus all that proves is that marketing is important. They could just as easily spend even MORE money on marketing campaigns or try bullshit social media campaigns instead.

>>375983580
I want to see what's happening in the tent

>>375984926
5 days that helped a lot to capcom for sure. Until the notice went full know, sure it give them another week or so. Not all people spent the whole day on places like /v/

>>375984934
Whatever, but still help to recover budget and have a profit. Never forget that there is a executive producer who spent money on it because profit is what make the industry work and pay salaries.

>>375984918
NDA, sorry.

>>375984520
No woman would ever want to be with a NEET that goes on 4chan.

>>375985464
Do you have any better ideas or do you just prefer to shit on others?

>>375984902
It's not an strawman. It's something that /v/ actually believes.

>"Pirates are more important than paying customers"
>"Paying for games is worthless because anybody can create a game in a couple hours"
>"Paying for games is worthless because the developers already got paid"

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>>375984758
>I only buy games that can't be pirated

That's not much of an incentive for devs not to go for anti-piracy methods, is it?

>>375985405
Never said that's the purpose of piracy, fucking idiot, I just said that pirates do that.

>>375985248
what about cheap bastards like me, I have more than enough money to buy Nier Automata but I just want it for free

>>375985405
Nu pirates are complete faggots. Literally every excuse to justify what they're doing.

>>375983580
sure so where r the games

>>375984942
Not all people know a game was cracked until they talk with friends with similar tastes.

/v/ is not the real world. According to studies, people usually talk more about videogames by weekend, so if a game is cracked by monday, we still have a whole week of sales gained.

>>375985392
>pirate = stealing
You wouldn't steal a tv.

>>375985716
It still takes time to crack each game since they're all different

>>375983580
Anti piracy it's just a meme
it is always been
people supporting it are memes

>>375985761
My post was actually making fun of pirates sorry if it was confusing. /v/ just truly believes that big title games actually gain sales because people pirate it and talk about it

>>375985260

Im not saying is true, I´m saying that games with denuvo give us a more profitable first weeks than the ones without denuvo.

>>375985859
The fuck are you smoking. Anti-piracy has been around for like 15 years in full force

yes i have a huge back log of games that I downloaded and waited for a crack now i can play them for free. Haha

>>375984341
Kek

>>375985508
>NDA, sorry.
sure thing kiddo

>>375985664
I don't think devs have ever make a game thinking in me.

>>375984590
One or two devs aren't a trend. I bet big publishers aren't using Denuvo just cause they like giving them money. What a small dev doesn't matter nor is it proow of anything.

>>375985695
Yup.
There is nothing wrong about not wanting to pay for something.
Nu-pirats have such empty lifes that they try to turn something as mundane as sofware piracy into some kind of noble, heroic action and political statement.
I bet they use trench-coats and fedoras in real life.

>>375983580
That was always a great piece of artwork. And then that fucking Denuvo edit was made and spammed all around. And now that fucking Denuvo edit has by itself, received fucking fanart?

It's like it has completely taken over and replaced the original piece. Fuck that.

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Pirates are doing god's work. I have a job and bills to pay. I can't be wasting money frivolously on software that can be obtained for free.

If it were up to me, Bernie Sanders would be President and not Drumpf and DRM should not exist at all. It deserves to be free for hardworking people.

God bless CEMU for making the reality of playing BoTW for free without having to spend money on Nintendo LUL.

BASED CPY, BRING ON THE NIER CRACK.

>>375985895
>/v/ just truly believes that big title games actually gain sales because people pirate it and talk about it

Yeah, and its sad because there is a big AAA games/studios wich can afford low sales, but medium to small developers depends of the first week sales.

People usually complain about why PS+ is full of indie games and is because small devs have to sell their titles with companies like sony in promotions expecting to cover low sales. And of course sony pays with peanuts. Nobody want to recognize this because for small devs be a PS+ game is like a promotion, but the true is they sold their game for small money.

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>>375986350

>>375983580
Whenever a game has anti-piracy stuff, it makes me want to buy it less. I bought Witcher 3 because it was DRM-free

>>375984775
your dad also works at nintendo huh? stupid larper

>>375985667
And customers also do that. What's your point here.

>>375985605
Ideally people just wouldn't pirate, so devs don't pump resources into anti-piracy. As we DO have piracy, the only option is to pump resources into anti-piracy.

Prove me wrong.

>>375986232
Whatever bud. I´m not going to put my work in danger to prove it to a unknown guy on internet.

>>375984218

Yes, usually how it works. Are you so mad there's honest people, that you feel the need to shitpost?

>>375983580
Wasn't its end goal to delay Piracy? Not eliminate it?

>>375986435
>I have a job and bills to pay
I can't tell if this is just mindless shitposting or the least self aware person in existence. Then again, the rest of the thread is full of the latter, so probably that.

>>375984775
BotW was pirateable day one. Actually a little before day one.
And it's consistently on the top sellers.

>>375984037
Life isn't your typical fantasy shit. Even a bunch of no good idiots can easily overpower an excellent martial artist if they're like 4.

>>375986496
Your world is so small kid. Whatever.

>>375986506
Much less likely. Customers who bought a game have a vested interest in deluding themselves that they're enjoying the game. They're far more likely to ignore the flaws of a game because they want to pretend they don't exist because they don't want to admit they just wasted $60 for a sloppy game.

>>375986308
>Nu-pirats have such empty lifes that they try to turn something as mundane as sofware piracy into some kind of noble, heroic action and political statement.
A single man has never mattered, but as a group standing up against something anti-consumer like Denuvo can be very meaningful, far more meaningful than the face value of the act of not paying for a software application

>>375986647
larp harder

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Pirates can believe they're in charge as much as they want, but at the end of the day they're irrelevant.
The ones controlling the market are the ones spending money on it. They're the ones getting Neptunias, Grand Theft Autos, FIFAs and Overwatches made.

>>375986572
Its end goal is to make money by leeching money out of an industry that's run by corporate suits who think pirates can be converted into customers.

It's actually in Denuvo's best interests (ie the interests of their business) that they do not eliminate piracy, because what would they sell then?

>>375984661

>works on my machine
DRM (including Denuvo) has been proven time and time again to introduce new bugs and (in Denuvo's case) slow down games. I have no clue why an honest customer would want to fuck themselves over.

>>375986605
>BotW was pirateable day one

Because is Zelda and is Nintendo. Nintendo fans are brand loyalits, maybe the only videogame company with that luck.

Also Zelda was not protected by denuvo.

>>375986685
Meanwhile I buy games with or without Denuvo, as long as they're of my liking.
Who's really having an impact, you and your katana and me and my money?

>>375984037
>scrawny NEETs

more /v/ goers are /fit/izens than you would think

that being said, put one master swordsman in a room against 10 average dudes with swords, the 10 dudes will win because this isnt an anime

>>375986614
>Knight clad in armor, clearly escorting the girl to the castle nearby
>Very clearly armed, has trained his whole life to be a warrior, to swing a sword, to murder and kill the peasant masses
>Also has backup 100 meters away
Life isn't your typical fantasy shit, kid.

>>375986730
This really, the only effect that pirates have is wasting everyone else's time with anti-piracy measures and that just affects them.

>>375986583
Shut the fuck up, Denuvo shill.

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next one will be uncrackable I PROMISE

>>375986705
kys

>>375986570
>Yes, usually how it works.

It sure is, buddy.

>>375986886
*sniff*...... mhhh...... that..... is...... the..... pungent..... stench........ of..... a........ analblasted....... larper..... **SNIIIIFFFFFF**..... yeah.....

>>375986730
so we shouldnt buy anything if we dont want trash like that made? way ahead of ya

>>375986540
>My company has spies monitoring my Internet activity, such that if I say their name or the game they're working on they'll immediately fire me

What a special universe you live in.

>>375984775
See:
>>375986605
>>375984509

I would love to see ANY proof from an objective third party that indicates games sell better with DRM than they do without. Because as far as it looks to me it's a fucking massive waste of money.

>>375984218
I do this all the time. Even for games that are only a few hours long. Pirated Night in the Woods, enjoyed what little I played, bought it. Pirated Stardew Valley, liked it, bought it. You wouldn't pay for a car without giving it a test drive. You wouldn't buy shoes without trying them on. Don't pretend you should buy games without playing them first, shill.

>>375986868
Nobody care if is uncrackeable. Is important to the industry if just delay the pirate.
Is a tactic that is working right now to keep pre-sales. You will not bought a game that you know will be free on release.

People pays to avoid wait for a a week or 2.

>>375986806
>Put one master swordsman in a room against 10 average dudes
Full retard. Normal, average dudes don't know how to swing swords. I don't know how to swing swords. Even the nip swords are surprisingly difficult to swing properly.

>>375986798
Several games have removed denuvo and GOG is bigger than ever, so the intended impact is happening. I'm not saying people who are content at accepting anti-consumer policy don't have impact, but I'm not sure why you're gloating about it either

>>375987020
kys

>>375985508

>because profit is what makes the industry work
Yes, which is why devs and publishers lie and falsely advertise their products these days so you pre-order, after which buyer's remorse sets in.

Genuinely good games make a fuckton of money outside that 'critical period' because people actually want to play it. If your game needs Denuvo to make a profit, I can assume it's shit.

>>375987021
Its more that you buy what you want and dont buy what you dont want.

Or even better than that, dont waste your time on games that you know you arent a fan of. Losing time is worse than losing money.

Why do pirates even pirate games anyway?

> I don't have enough money
Too fucking bad. I don't have enough money for my own private jet but I don't continuously whine about it and try to steal one.Besides, if you're that poor shouldn't you have bigger things to worry about than video games?

>I just don't want to pay for it
Fuck you, why are you so entitled that you think you should get it for free?

>The game sucks so I wasn't going to buy it anyway
If its so bad, why the fuck are you even playing it?

>I'm just using it as a demo to see if I like the game
Pirates always come up with the most bullshit excuses as to why games are shit to get around this anyway

many things led me to believe that /v/ is filled with underage with no job or poorfag

>can buy only one console and hate the one you can't buy
>pirate game and hate anti-piracy
>try to justify piracy
>low spec pc

wew

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>>375987159
>I can assume it's shit
Let me guess, you were posting in Nier threads begging for the game to be cracked? lmao.

Denuvo isn't even that bad.

Remember Starforce?

>>375987065
>What are demos

>>375986868
There is no such thing as uncrackable, and they well know it.
Piracy, much like a disease, continually evolves to overcome the defenses meant to keep it at bay. The only true way of ridding yourself of it for good is to eradicate it.
What i'm trying to say here is we must kill all the pirates.

>>375985627

>/v/ is one person with a collective opinion
>I am not part of this collective opinion

Surefire way to spot newfags. How about you fuck off back to whereever you came from?

>>375987270
>I don't have enough money
On this subject, any comparison with physical goods will fall flat. Physical theft causes costs to others, they now have less shit. Piracy doesn't.

Also, being poor doesn't mean you're not allowed to have entertainment in life anymore.

>>375987270
>Fuck you, why are you so entitled that you think you should get it for free?

No, I don't think I *should* get it for free. But I am getting it for free, so that's pretty cool. How about you deal with it?

>>375987345
Nope. Tell me about that

>>375987021
No; you should buy the games you want to be made.

>GAME A is bought by 5000 people
>Anons bought zero copies

>GAME B is bought by 1000 people
>Anons liked the game but still bought zero copies

>GAME A is the one that get a sequel because it sold five times more than GAME B
Even if you don't buy GAME A, it still wins the sales war.

>>375983580
Prey crack when?

>>375987348
Games exist which don't have demos. Neither of the games I mentioned have demos. Why did you even bring up demos? Are you mentally challenged? Is everyone who shills against piracy mentally challenged? Must be.

>>375984037
https://youtu.be/TWiaRhQDZFE

simply falling over in armor can give a big concussion or even kill you.

>>375984468
You're a retard if you think that the people who made a video game are the same ones who get to decide how its marketed and what anti piracy measures they'll use.

>>375987064
You will be surprised by the amount of people from the industry who know are usually around here. /v/ is not longer your special club, shills, brand managers, etc.

Denuvo works like a insurance: You dont know if your game will sell or not, but denuvo helps to gain a couple of days/week to recover budget.

>>375983779
Funny, because the ones who pirate are usually the biggest consumers on the market, since they are the people who know what to buy because they know the quality beforehand and want to support the people behind it.

>>375987445
Different anon, but I hear that DRM was so bad that if you changed your graphics card it treated your PC like a separate system. Imagine how bad that would be if you only had limited installs as well.

>>375987270
>Too fucking bad. I don't have enough money for my own private jet but I don't continuously whine about it and try to steal one.Besides, if you're that poor shouldn't you have bigger things to worry about than video games?
So you're saying poor people should be deprived of something that costs no one anything? We've already established they're too poor to buy the game, so it isn't even a lost sale at that point. We give people free food when they're too poor and that costs a hell of a lot more on everyone than someone copying bits of data.
>Fuck you, why are you so entitled that you think you should get it for free?
Why does it bother you so much?
>If its so bad, why the fuck are you even playing it?
How else are you supposed to determine if it's any good? Most aren't, and are promptly deleted. Is there really some crime in trying out something that you didn't like? Most people return stuff to the store that ends up being junk. It's actually the game developers who are entitled in this case, because they think they should be immune to standard consumer laws that protect people from companies that sell garbage.
>Pirates always come up with the most bullshit excuses as to why games are shit to get around this anyway
Again, if they do, why does it bother you so much? Plenty of worse crimes are committed on a daily basis, possibly even by you, than copyright infringement. Why not care about one that matters?

>>375987109
>Several games have removed denuvo
DOOM and...


>and GOG is bigger than ever

>Search: games newer than 1998
>Games found: (3)
>The Witcher, The Witcher 2, The Witcher 3

>Search: games that don't require DOSBOX to work
>Games found: (3)
>The Witcher, The Witcher 2, The Witcher 3

So big. I'm sure Steam and Origin are near bankruptcy

I'm gloating about your little "fuck the system" rant to justify your piracy having absolute no effect over anything

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>HAHAHAHAH DENUVO IS LITERALLY UNCRACKABLE!
>w-w-w-who cares if it got cracked? it was gonna happen anyway

and the cycle continues

>>375987715
>>Search: games newer than 1998
>>Games found: (3)
>>The Witcher, The Witcher 2, The Witcher 3

That's really inaccurate.

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>>375983580
I swear it feels like I'm always seeing Denuvo being raped one week and then others saying piratefags are fucked the next on this board.

>>375987658
AHAHAHAHA

>"The ones who avoid spending money are more profitable than the ones spending money"

AHAHAHAHA

>>375985587
Women get off on terrible decisions. Why do you think white women fuck black guys?

>>375987065
This

>>375987270

>Fuck you, why are you so entitled that you think you should get it for free
Why do you think you're entitled to my money? I will be the one that decides if a product is worth my money, not some stupid developer or PR team. If they won't let me test the product before buying it, I will always pirate it first to make sure I'm not being scammed (which happens quite a bit in the games industry).
>its so bad, why the fuck are you even playing it?
To check my hypothesis. Maybe the game is actually a pleasant suprise and I might buy it. However, if I feel like the gane will suck, I will NEVER spend money before making sure of the quality. Sometimes when I trust a dev I buy blind, but if I'm convinced it's going to be shit and I cannot pirate, then a 100% guaranteed no buy.

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>all these corporate semen slurpers
Where did it all go so wrong? Every other board doesn't give a fuck it's just /v/ that just loves that cock.

>>375987903
/v/ is infested with marketers of every kind
of course there are anti-piracy marketers too

>>375986824
>Also has backup 100 meters away
Denuvo has back up?

>>375987419
Fine, what about movies then? Sneaking into the movies and watching it without paying doesn't mean less movie. No one is missing out. But people are way more willing to admit this is wrong than they are with piracy

>>375987729
Until Denuvo gets dumped by most major publishers, that is. Actually, it's even more likely because of the hefty amount of sales drops that Denuvo has caused.

>>375987159
>Genuinely good games make a fuckton of money outside that 'critical period' because people actually want to play it

You dont know if your game will be well received by critics/fans. Nobody haves a crystal ball. Sure, there are a lot of shitty games, if is shitty you will not mind to wait a couple of weeks until is cracked, right?

>>375987098
>This is what weebs actually think

>>375987658

Thats a fallacy. Yeah, maybe there is people who pirate games and bought later, but is a very small, microscopical portion of gamers.

>>375987661
To be fair, how often would someone change their graphics card anyway? The average consumer wouldn't even know what graphics card is and if you're the sort of person who cares, chances are you've already changed it anyway

>>375987896
>Maybe the game is actually a pleasant suprise and I might buy it.

Except you won't either way.

>>375987875

Spamming like a normie retard doesn't make facts go away. There have been multiple researches that show that people who pirate tend to spend more money on games. Not being a blind consumerist who allows everyone and their mom to fuck them over doesn't mean you automatically don't pay money for shit you enjoy.

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>>375987903

>>375987637
>You will be surprised by the amount of people from the industry who know are usually around here. /v/ is not longer your special club, shills, brand managers, etc.

You might be surprised to know this, but unless the corporation you work for is illegally spying on you or you post your name, social security number, and address along with the corporation you work for and the game you're working on they can't fucking figure out who you are.

Claiming you'd lose your job for fucking dropping a name is absurdly ridiculous. So I'm pretty sure you're larping, faguette.

>Denuvo works like a insurance: You dont know if your game will sell or not, but denuvo helps to gain a couple of days/week to recover budget.

You'd literally need a couple thousand would-be pirates who have disposable money to recoop the costs of Denuvo, and bluntly speaking? There is no evidence that Denuvo helps sales AT ALL. Most games that implement Denuvo from Tomb Raider to Dishonored 2 actually sold WORSE than their DRM free predecessors.

>>375988143

My massive Steam library says otherwise. Funny how you need to lie to prove a point, while logic and reasoning are against you.

>>375987715
It must be really frustrating that your anti-tamper business is failing again, especially after securom. At least you can keep trying, right? There's always some money to suck out of a corporate fool, especially when you create more pirates than you convert...

>>375988074
>Underage has never picked up a piece of sharp metal in his life
What's ironic is that I mentioned that nip swords are surprisingly difficult to control and heavy, implying that European Swords are even heavier and more difficult to control. But you're too underage and fucking retarded to have made that simple logical connection it seems.

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>>375987975
>anti-piracy marketers

>>375987995
Only if attendance is small enough that you're not causing any troubles with seating (seats are a limited resource), you leave no dirt behind (cleaning costs), and you have no impact of the enjoyment of other, paying guests (mass "pirating" would hurt enjoyment due to overfilled showings and dickheads talking over the movie even more).

If all of those are true, and you're a poorfag, I don't really see a problem.

>>375984775
>Because Denuvo gains time for us. The big sales are usually in a frame of time of 2 to 4 weeks. After that point, money are just crumbs of the main sale.
>If Denuvo give is that time, it pays alone.
No it doesn't and you are fucking stupid if you think it does.

People that really want your game will buy it when it first comes out.
By using an intrusive DRM system you are not making that first bunch of sales larger, because people just won't buy it at full price.
They might pirate your game if it's not protected.

But they are not going to buy it because they can't pirate it.

If you drop the price people might buy it, even people that pirated it to start with. But almost no one is going to pay full price.

A lot of people are going to wait for a sale price.

In the end, your big 2 weeks of sales are not made larger by DRM. But your trickle on sales are made smaller by DRM because lack of word of mouth and lack of outside non PR managed community interaction.

Companies like to blame pirates for their bad sales. They say look 1 million people stole it, if only we could stop them we would have had 1 million more sales. Which is not actually logically sound. More so when 1 million people bought it and then said, wow this game is shit good thing I didn't pay for it.

DRM makes bad devs selling shitting games immune from consumers getting their money back. A business model of trick our customers is not model I have any interest in supporting so fuck you and your $100,000 useless DRM.

I hope every dev loses money on useless DRM tech.

>>375988304
You know the "you wouldn't download a bear" meme? Well that's satire of a real anti-piracy campaign. They put millions into marketing anti-piracy with the hope that they can shame people into stopping their copyright infringement habit

>>375988263
Well yeah, sequels to shit games usually don't sell well.

>>375988271
>my massive steam library that you can't see totally proves me right

Alright, kid

>while logic and reasoning are against you.

They aren't.

>>375988263
Both of those games had Steamworks DRM though.
And could it be they sold worse because nobody asked for sequels to either?

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>>375987787
Are you sure?

>>375988408
>Doom is a great game
>sells MORE when denuvo is removed
denuvo shills pls go and stay go, you're cancer to the industry

>>375988289
>Uh-Uh-Underage baka

>>375988471
I asked for a sequel to TR2013.

But if I wouldn't have gotten the game for free with my GPU, I sure as hell wouldn't have bought the same fucking game again.

RotTR just isn't a game worth buying. No surprise sales are shit.

>>375983779
>Imagine a town without cops; it's the same thing.

I grew up in a town without cops (no seriously, we had no police department) and it was peaceful with virtually no crime.

I now live in a city where you can't go ten steps without seeing a cop and crime is fucking rampant and you always here about people getting murdered and raped on the local news.

>>375988225
>Give users a reason not to pirate.

There is literally no reason more enticing than getting free shit.

>>375987715


....

literally every devolver digital game

HLD, shadow warrior 2, age of wonders 3, etc...

>>375988408
>Dishonored
>Shit

I'll fight you.

I didn't buy their sequel until it was on sale for half off though, because the optimization problems it has on PC are fucking horrendous.

>>375984661
The people that say Denuvo hurts performance, kills SSDs, or prevents modding are retards that have no idea how it works.

>>375984087
>The Witcher series is so insanely popular
It only got insanely popular BECAUSE of Witcher 3, are you kidding me?

>>375988476
>wanting mainstream AAA trash

Your argument is moot.

>>375988503
>sells MORE
More that what?

>>375988263
>You might be surprised to know this

A lot of co-workers and some of my bosses post/lurk here. Why? because they left they computers opened and talk about /v/. Again, is not your special group anymore.

>There is no evidence that Denuvo helps sales AT ALL

Yeah, it is. But again, the whole denuvo thing is not abot "help" sales, is about gain time and protect IP. Two different concepts.

The real question isn't if DRM is necessary or even if piracy is harmful. The real question is how are you going to convince companies to stop using DRM.

>>375988460

>kid
Honestly? You're so out of arguments you think you can just take the "kid" stance? Pathetic. Even more so since the average /v/ user is in his low twenties, making the chances of you being older than me extremely slim. Even if you were, calling me a 'kid' would be retarded either way.

But nice of you to prove you're actually a retard with nothing to say. I mean, we all knew it, but it's good you out yourself.

>>375988380
Mine is a FX6300 and GTX660ti and the game ran at 50 fps, having horrible slowdowns only in open spaces. I remember people reporting the same slowdowns in the PS4 version.
I think it's not just Denuvo alone; more like the developers being incompetent.

>play game at 10 fps
>"g-get fucked Denuvo!"

>>375988161
>There have been multiple researches that show that people who pirate tend to spend more money on games

Links to that shit now.

>>375988543
The number of cops increases when population and crime goes up. You can't be so stupid that you don't understand this simple logic.

>>375988718
Never going to happen on a large scale and anyone that thinks it will are delusional.

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>>375983580
I knew she wouldn't disappoint.

>>375988632
That's not the point.
The point is, if GOG is so big and no DRM sells so good, I should be able to find all of that AAA trash on GOG.

>>375988183
yes, you get the joke, good job

>>375988643

More than it did with Denuvo. Do you even English? It's not rocket science.

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NIER NIER NIER NIER NIER NIER

>>375986771
>DRM (including Denuvo) has been proven time and time again to introduce new bugs and (in Denuvo's case) slow down games
Literally the only sources for this are pirate propaganda sites

>>375988795
Exactly, so DRM is here to stay.

>>375985587
>>375987887
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

>>375988718
Nobody will ever convince companies widescale to stop using DRM. It's basically saying
>Hey, you know that game you guys just poured several years worth of time and millions of dollars into?
>Let a million smelly basement dwellers play it for free. You don't need to be paid for what you made.

>>375988786
no, the crime goes up because the cops increase

people don't respond well to authority

>>375985248
>The idea isn't to make it permanently uncrackable, it's just to shield that crucial sales period of 2 weeks from lazy pirates.

The crucial sales of 2 weeks can't be expanded by DRM.
People that want the game will buy it. People that don't will not turn into people that do just because they can't pirate it.

Yeah you get most of your sales in 2 weeks because for almost every customer is waiting on the developer to put it on sale and for the game to get either positive or negative reviews.

A smaller number are waiting for a price drop because they don't value the game at the full price.
Some people will never buy they game even if they want to pirate it.

So what you are fight over are people that want to buy the game but only if they can't pirate it.
That number isn't anything nearly as large as devs or the sale team from DRM companies claim it is.

>>375988786
No, the more cops you infest a community with, the more crime rises.

>>375988729
Wow, did i struck a nerve? I think i did.
Sorry i called you out on your bullshit, but you'll get through it.

Mass.Effect.Andromeda.UPDATE.1.005.CRACKFIX-CPY

this legit?

>>375988885
I bought three copies but I didn't use steam!

>>375987345
Starforce killed my DVD drive for no reason.

Denuvo being cracked is pointless if they don't give info to other groups on how to crack it or crack good games.
Where is Warhammer?
Where is dishonored 2?
Where is nier?

>>375988771
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167624510000259

I know burden of proof and shit, but you could literally just use scholar.google and type "piracy boosting sales" or some othey keywords.

>>375988345

>People that really want your game will buy it when it first comes out.

Agree.

>By using an intrusive DRM system you are not making that first bunch of sales larger, because people just won't buy it at full price.

Mouth to mouth helps in that week, and helps even more if you got a good reception by the critic. You wil be surprised about how many people buy a full price game.

>But they are not going to buy it because they can't pirate it

You can always try the demo, you dont need the full game.

>If you drop the price people might buy it, even people that pirated it to start with.

Thats why you have the "main sale" and the "crumbs sale".

>>375989005
who cares, call me when they crack a game worth the bandwidth

>>375988127
Actually it's backed up by real studies. Try googling it, it's actually proven that pirates, in general, spend about 3 to 4 times more on media than the people who don't.

>>375988941
Add to that how, even if the protection gets cracked eventually, you managed to get actual, real sales data.
Instead of "if's" ("if I had protected my game I would have sold better"), you actually know how many copies you sold and if the customers liked it or not.

CPY only gets my respect when they crack Nier or Dishonored 2.

There's no proof that this update for ME: A is even Denuvo v4.

If I made a machine that could cook food and follow recipes with robotic precision.
Would it become an illegal item due to it being able to recreate the food made at restaurants?

>>375984858
It's always been about the first month sales, where have you been?

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>>375984775
how do you explain Nintendo games sell consistently overtime? i think it's more about software quality

>>375985693
Have you bought it yet?

If no then DRM hasn't worked to turn you into a customer. So now that you can pirate it doesn't change the potential sales.

The only question is if you would have bought it at a much lower price if you couldn't pirate it. Or if you will buy it at a much lower price even if you pirated it. Or if now that you have a pirated copy you will never buy it.

>>375988884
You have a source for that? I have trouble believing it sold more in that past 5 months than it did in the first 7 months.

>>375984341
underrated post

>>375984758
>Cheap
>Blizzard games
Realitive to what? COD?

>>375989150
Brainwashed, cult-like fanbase.
They send thank you cards to marketing departments and feel genuine sadness when one of the company executives dies.

>>375989113
what i'm wondering is where is the warhammer total war crack, it's the biggest, highest selling total war game, and i will not give them money for it because of their kike DLC

>>375989279
>Brainwashed
The irony.

>>375989109
Studies in the industry said the oposite.
Thats why denuvo exist. capicce?

>>375983580
What's happening here?

>>375988985
Not as fas as I'm concerned.
I got 230 hours out of MGSV, 30 hours of LOTF and (still wondering how in the fuck given how short the game is) 80 hours out of Doom 2016 and my computer didn't catch fire or anything.

>>375988345
>But they are not going to buy it because they can't pirate it.

Actually if you browse any popular pirate forum its full of people caving on denuvo games because "cpy is taking too long" for the one they want

>>375989150
>quality
Sure thing drones.

>>375988127
Not that guy.
But the people who purchase products the most, are the biggest fans.
And the people who download products the most, are the biggest fans.

Lo and behold. There is a gigantic overlap. And whenever they make extensive studies on it, they keep pointing towards the same conclusion too.

>>375989410
It doesn't mean that they wouldn't buy if they couldn't pirate.
As you say it, both groups overlap.

>>375983580
A real Knight would have killed her before she was overtaken.

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>>375989328
And gee, I wonder why we haven't seen any of these studies ourselves so we can fact-check them...

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>>375988402
>>375988540
>look it up
>piracy is LITERALLY STEALING
damn that's some heavy handed shilling, but I guess it seems to have worked seeing some of these posts

>>375988884
[citations internally]

>>375983580
>dude just make good games lmao

you say it like you'd actually buy it in that case

also you dont have the right to steal a game because you feel slighted

>>375989150
Nintendo fans are brand loyalist. Also nintendo is very clever managing price and amount of production. They are more cleaver than people think.

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>>375989348
The equivalent of pic related.

>>375988692
>A lot of co-workers and some of my bosses post/lurk here. Why? because they left they computers opened and talk about /v/. Again, is not your special group anymore.

Don't be a dumbshit, let me tell you the name of the game I'm working on: Middle Earth: Shadow of War.

You think that's going to get me fired? You think my company can identify who I am from that post? What the fuck kind of planet do you live on?

>Yeah, it is.

Are you saying there is evidence that Denuvo helps sales? Because seriously, please provide it. Only caveat is that they aren't numbers being pushed by the company itself, I want research from a third party.

>But again, the whole denuvo thing is not abot "help" sales, is about gain time and protect IP. Two different concepts.

Did you just seriously say that Denuvo is not about protecting sales? What the fuck? God damn, you're an elaborate troll aren't you?

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>>375989401
why are you hardcore gamers so mad when Nintendo is mentioned, i talk about quality of software sell consistently overtime as a whole

>modern gaming is so shit
>good game from middle range studio arrives
>pirates it

>>375988985
>has there been a game where people actually proved denuvo caused problems?
No, infact pirated versions usually come out more buggy, at least initially.

>>375987729
Do you have actuall proof of one person saying both of those things?

I'm one of the programmers for DENUVO and this gets me depressed. I worked so hard on making sure games don't get pirated, then this happens and all I can do is sit here watch. :(

>>375983580
anyone else turned on by this pic

>>375983580
Literally all you do to stop piracy is give your game compelling online features that people want to use.

I bought DD because I wanted to really experience the Pawn system. And after playing DD, I don't think it was worth the cash. That game was short as fuck. I'm a stingy asshole and I bought a game that I almost immediately figured out wasn't very good just because I wanted to try out the fun online feature.

>>375989410
We agree about the fans, but if you scream "free pizza", normal people, "common" people will not buy pizza. You are not fighting with the fans, you are fighting with the paradigm of
Videogame = Free
for all people.

>Why does games produced by a company without DRM sell consistently well? Doesn't that imply DRM is useless?
>>375989279
>>375989401
>>375989573
>NO ITS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE- ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS THE NINTENDO FANBASE IS BRAINWASHED SO THERE.

Wow. You sure done convinced me.

>>375989503
Because you need something that say to the main public that piracy is not someting easy. If not you give them the idea of any game is free.

>>375989761
Me. God, what I wouldn't give to be that knight.

>>375989079
>If this interpretation is true it would suggest that, in the absence of piracy, the Internet has an overall strong positive impact on media sales.
What did he mean by this?

>>375989398
How many people are posting proof rather than just whining?

>>375989750
Does this mean that you're a cuck?

>>375983580
PC will always have to deal wiht this, so companies prefer consoles first. You're doing this to yourself. Don't go making petitions later.

>>375989109
Got any peer reviewed sauce?

>>375989328
>Studies in the industry said the oposite
>the industry
>said the opposite

hmmmmmm
HMMMMMMMMMMM

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/a/ and /g/ on piracy as per Nyaa being taken down
>We must preserve these websites and this content and share it and archive it!
/v/ on piracy as per this thread
'>HAHAHA BTFO GET REKT SHILLS REEE

You poorfag cucks are pathetic as shit. I honestly don't give a shit about the other games, but the fact that NieR might be cracked is bullshit since the game is worth the money and pirating Automata might influence Square to not bring more games to PC. Good job cucks.

>>375989834

If you cant see why is diffent, you are stupid enough to not understand why nintendo is still here in 2017 after a lot of mistakes. Sure you think nintendo is doomed and will become a third party soon.

ITT: A bunch of retards false-flag eachother because it's a slow night and they have nothing better to do.

>>375989913
This whole thread is nothing but "my anecdote and better than your anecdote"

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Why do poorfags have a need to rationalize their need for pirating? Why not just own up to it and admit to yourself that you just want free shit?

>>375983580
>soulfag's turn
>started to roll around her
>backdicked her
he

how many times will articles like this be posted

>>375989998
there's no metric for how much a game is being pirated
they can't calculate actual sales lost cause there's nothing being actually taken it's just stuff being replicated
square doesn't port to pc cause it's a jap company and they are behind the times

>>375989971
I bought one game for the PS3 and zero for the XBOX 360.
Yet I have a collection of console games for both that's larger than my PC collection because consoles get hacked and are hacked forever.

>>375989834
>GUYS NOBODY REALLY LIKES NINTENDO, THEY MAKE UP ALL THEIR SALE DATA
>ALL THE MANCHILDREN FANATICS YOU SEE ON THE INTERNET ARE JUST ACTS
>NORMIES DON'T REALLY EAT UP FAMILY FRIENDLY GAMES LIKE CAKE
As a fellow pirate I'm gonna have to ask you to stop embarrassing us

>>375989515
the music in that ad was used without permission aswell for full irony

>>375989982
So, what you expect?
"noooo! piracy is good for us, please take our game for free"

Be a fag, but don´t be stupid.

>>375989991
The only point I'd make about Nyaa is that the material it hosts by and large is not marketed for, and was never meant to be consumed by, a western audience.

There's a fundamental difference between pirating a product which isn't even translated into your native language and one catered to meet your consumer needs. When the product was designed and sold you weren't even considered in the equation for possible sales.

>>375988953
>>375988981
>This is what liberals ACTUALLY believe

>>375990268
I miss the shareware times

>>375983580
>$100k+
is that cheap?

>>375990072
Well I think that young kids saying they will have to just break down a buy a game because the pirate man is taking too long is more likely than them actually buying the game.

I might be wrong but you can see stupid shits complaining that the game was not cracked and released early.

>>375987903
Since the nyaa happening crunchyshills have been spamming /a/

>>375990230
>As a fellow pirate

I don't pirate you fag. I just think DRM is a waste of money.

>>375990290
>was never meant to be consumed by a western audience
Maybe some manga. Has there been an anime release that hasn't been subbed for western audiences and put on CR? The point i'm trying to make is how awful /v/ is when it comes to anything and everything.z

>>375990369
You could employ two junior developers for a year with that kind of money.

You tell me.

>>375984775
A legitimate dev here, when you have a game that's semi popular the sales aren't normally maxed on day one, instead it's spread pretty thinly for the first month and after that it dwindles unless it has a competitive scene or a sale comes up that will also spark sales
Often times during sales more copies than the first day are earned by several times
If you're truly a dev then the games you've worked on just aren't popular enough NOR good enough to have the steady stream of purchases instead of just the day one purchases which ultimately get refunded as plenty on steam try it before getting their buyback or keeping it

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>>375983790
>people still use my shitty drawing months later
I-its an honor.

>>375990515
>Has there been an anime release that hasn't been subbed for western audiences and put on CR?
Yes. Plenty of them. The big budget shows up on CR, but the smaller shows don't.

And when they come, they often come years later.

>>375990515
/v/ always complains about casuals ruining their games and companies pandering to them. And then suddenly people wonder why /v/ hates people who want to get their games for free. Man I don't give a fuck about ME:A or FIFA or whatever AAA trash that gets cracked. I have an issue when there is a genuinely good game and all people are asking is how the fuck they can pirate it.

>>375988543
where do you live? and what was that town without cops?

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>>375990165

>difficult DRM gets cracked
>IT'S OVER, DENUVO IS FINISHED

It's like the WoW killer era all over again.

I have no idea why I entered this thread because it always makes me more disappointed in /v/ than I already am.

>>375990592
Congratulations, your image was used to host a thread catered for shitposting.

I'm sure it makes you proud.

>>375990621
Have any examples of anything recent? I can't think of anything put out recently that didn't end up on HS who rip everything from CR.

Then where the fuck is Nier;Automata crack?

I'm a grown ass man with a full time job. If a game comes out that I want I buy it. If I don't like it, I return it. I used to pirate everything when I was a poor NEET, but now it's a greater hassle to do that than to buy a game on steam. Furthermore, I have never had an issue with draconian copy protection ruining my experience.

I think that anyone that pirates games is most likely a poor NEET because most distribution platforms allow you to demo a full game and return it for a full refund. Any other complaints about it are nit picking. If DRM bothers you so much, don't buy the game, and don't pirate it because in pirates own words piracy helps sales (apparently).

>>375990706
Of course it makes him proud. These underageb& think the culture of /v/ is nothing but shitposting with no discussion. He was probably an "epic troll!' on plebbit, reposting the same copy and pasted rage comic every day. That is the kind of person who inhabits these boards now.

>>375990732
When Warhammer is cracked. So never. I hope CPY has the decency to not crack good games.

>>375983580
So how many times has Denuvo been officially killed and dead? I've seen threads like this at least once a week for the past 2 years

>>375985791
A TV is physical property that costs money to replace.

Software can be copied as many times as you want with no loss to the original creator.

Also, if someone's pirating it's very unlikely they were going to buy the game anyway.

>>375990649

Not that guy but a ton of places in the world has little to no local law enforcement and remain peaceful. Northern Sweden for example has very little overall crime and a ridicilously small police force.
Of course, crime is created for a variety of reasons, and I get the impression the point that anon wanted to make was that more police equals more crime, which is simply not true.

>>375990740

Yeah, same here. I used to pirate a lot when I was poor as fuck. Now with a steady job and income I buy everything I need.

>>375990856
If they weren't going to buy the game why does it bother you that you can't pirate it?

>>375990856
>Games cost no money to produce

>>375990290
>one catered to meet your consumer needs

>catered to meet your consumer needs
>comes with draconian drm that treats you like a potential criminal at all times and regularly probes your computer in case it found something flagging you as one such criminal
>catered to meet your consumer needs
Implying. Just fuck off. I spend essentially the entirety of my disposable income on games but I'll never buy your fucking denuvo crap.

>>375990851

As soon as a game is cracked and some random faggot wants to shitpost.

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>>375990923
Uhhhhhhhh...

>>375988402
>"you wouldn't download a bear"
you mean "you wouldn't download a car"

>>375991087
>comes with draconian drm that treats you like a potential criminal at all times and regularly probes your computer in case it found something flagging you as one such criminal
Do you have actual proof about that?

>>375990907
>Not that guy but a ton of places in the world has little to no local law enforcement and remain peaceful
I think the major factor is poverty+population density=crime
From what I've seen in my ancedotal experience places with naturally low crime are either places where there are few enough people that most people know each other or people don't feel a need to steal anything because they have most of what they need or are comfortable.

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>>375990856
>with no loss to the original creator.

Piratefags are goddamn retarded.

How many more of these worthless threads are we supposed to have.

>>375983580
That is my favorite image of all time
>white knight
Nah fuck off. There's a difference between defending some cunt online and being a glorious knight defending your princess from unwashed heathens
Just thought I should say something

>>375991087
>>comes with draconian drm that treats you like a potential criminal at all times and regularly probes your computer in case it found something flagging you as one such criminal
LOL, I bet you think windows 10 takes pictures of your screen and sends them to microsoft regularly too.

>>375991168
>Do you have actual proof about that?
When you use a sandbox software you can watch DRM like Origin try to scan your whole system by all the access requests that show up.

>>375990907
i understand what you mean, but he's comparing a small town (probably a village) to a city, if it's an american city filled with niggers then we know the reason for the increased police numbers. and of course the "i can't go ten steps without seeing a cop" is bullshit hyperbole. so i need to know where he lives now versus before.

>>375991258
>put 50k into developing a game
>Some faggot plays it for free
>Lol, you didn't lose anything!

>>375990923
I buy my games, I personally dgaf if people pirate or not, but it does bother me that you're equating it to stealing physical property when they're inherently different things.

>>375991017
That's not my point, if you made a piece of software that cost lets say $50 to make and I copied it to my computer you didn't actually lose any money. However, if you made a physical product that costs $50 to produce and it got stolen you actually lost $50 worth of material and products.

>>375991327
This thread is about denuvo though. Everyone knows about the origin thing. It was like day 1 bad publicity for them and spread across game news sites like wildfire. The same cannot be said for denuvo though

>>375991396
>You didn't actually lose any money
You lost 50 dollars and the time it took to develop that software. Nothing is free to produce. Everything has a price.

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>>375991327

It's like it's 2011 all over again.

Would you paint a wall for free?
Have in mind your employer is paying for the materials and your transportation, but you aren't getting a single cent.

>>375989862
Devs also use piracy as an excuse infront of the money people when their shitty games fails to sell as expected.

>>375991087
There's a difference between a visual novel whose disclaimer explicitly states their product is not to be sold to a western audience and a game that provides English support and was developed in your own country.

Sure, maybe the latter does employ draconian DRM, but you're still the intended audience.

>>375991396
I am not. If they weren't going to buy the game in the first place clearly they don't care about the game so why do they care if they are able to pirate it or not.

I don't care about ME:A. ME:A being pirate-able or not doesn't bother me in the slightest. The only situations where it applies is if I want to play the game but am too cheap to pay for it. Which is what most pirates are. Go onto r/crackwatch and see how many people are clamoring for Nier to be cracked.

>>375991168
It has periodic online checks. And repeatedly checks your hardware too.

>>375987345

That stuff was retarded

Wheres Nier then?

>>375991557
>but you're still the intended audience
Clearly I am not. Or they wouldn't be treating me like a criminal.

>>375985693
Lazy pirate.

>>375991621
Do you have actual proof about that?

>>375991713
When dishonored 2 and Warhammer gets cracked.

>>375990706
Well Im not sure if it does or not but doing a comic princess and denuvo related because why not.

>>375983580
>implying piratefags would buy the game regardless of the quality

Iv been burnt by too many broken promises in the past from devs so now i pretty much always pirate first if I can to try then buy later if I am gonna keep playing it.

If games were about 40-60% cheaper I wouldn't do it but they are not, so I do.

>>375991447
Get asked for an example, and give one.

Oh no that doesn't count.

>>375991794
So you expect games to have more fanciful stuff and graphics while currency inflates and it to be cheaper? What is it like being 12 and not finishing high school?

>$60.00 in 1990 had the same buying power as $114.88 in 2017

>>375991980
>Unironically using the inflation meme
lmao

>>375986771
I have no clue why people post shit without any actual sources besides blogs. Everything about Denuvo was said years ago about every other anti tamper. You just shit post denuvo. because you don't know any better nor does anyone else here to call you out on your bullshit.

>>375991727
Yes. It's literally what makes denuvo deny you from launching a game.

>>375983779

Cops are there to remind the general public that law and order exist so they should play by the rules.

They're symbolic but tons of illegal shit happens every day and people get away with it.

>>375992041
Just because (((they))) are behind it, doesn't mean it isn't a reality moron.

My problem with pirates is that they always come up with excuses
>well there's no demo, I just want to play before I buy
>only a small majority of them actually buy it if they liked it
>game has a demo
>w-well demos are never indicative of the final product anyway

>>375992081
Do you have actual proof about that?

>>375986443
Learn English

>>375987270
Try to debunk this:

>I have the opportunity so I will use it to get free stuff.

>>375992175
Pirates have no issue with doing mental gymnastics, because the majority of them are in third world shit holes that have zero morality towards this kind of shit.

>>375989904
The internet is free advertising and marketing due to user-reviews and word of mouth.

DRM snags impulse-buys from otherwise disinterested customers that ride the hype wave. Think about how when a game comes out, (let's say, Stardew Valley) you have all of the Youtube channels making the "WHAT IS THIS GAME?" videos on it. You have constant threads on /v/ and I'm sure topics on other websites. You might even see an ad for it, or see it listed on top sellers on Steam.

That is powerful marketing. DRM ensures that impulse turns into a sale. At the end of the day, DRM isn't going anywhere. Pirates can consider the waiting period for a crack the tradeoff for wanting something for free. People who use piracy honestly as demos were not impulse buyers, so they too can wait. The smart consumer will use their wallets to vote even when piracy is easy so that games like Hotel Dusk earn the money they deserve in hopes more are made.

And you fucks have already accepted the most intrusive DRM of all by having no self-control-- always online games. For any of you that bought and supported Diablo 3 or SimCity, fuck you.

>>375991980
no, i never said they need to be cheaper, but if they are going to make their new AAA games the prices that they do then yes I will pirate first to test.

In 1990 games had demos. If games had demos I wouldn't need to pirate to try too. So they took away ways to test games and the price went up.

We pirates always win baby, ain't no stoppin this train toooot toooooooot dooooot doooooooooooooooot suckamyballs i will fucking steal your gf too

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>>375984218
Well said, fellow pirate

>>375992823
You know you can refund games right? Along with the wealth of information you can find on the game compared to the 90s.

90s you game information came from reading gaming magazine. There was no twitch, no youtube (for reviews), no ease of online platforms to download a game and then refund it. It is sad when people continue to use demos as an excuse to pirate games when the world has moved on from that.

I agree games should have demos but given that it is 2017, you can still get a feel of the game without a demo or buy a game and then if it doesn't suit your taste refund it.

>>375984037
>what is a gun
literally kill yourself nigger

>>375992819
>For any of you that bought and supported Diablo 3 or SimCity, fuck you.
>Fuck fans of these series, because they wanted to have faith in video games
Problem with people, it's not enough to get shit on by the people you look up to and have faith in, but it's also equally important to be shit on by your peers as well.

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>>375993026
(You)

>>375992175
You forgot the rest:
> Price is too high
> Doesn't hit 1080p 60 fps ultra on my $2000 PC
> It has DRM
> Shit game according to my superior taste, I wouldn't have bought it anyway
> I'm a poorfag who totally deserves free stuff
etc.. etc...

I was a bit disappointed when Squeenix decided to bring Nier to PC, but if they can keep pirates assblasted like this, then I hope they bring more of their games games to PC just to see the "master race" suffer.

You guys should really study psychological warfare. All this Denuvo talk is just testing social conditioning, using this little peitri dish website. Getting possible costomers to self police and be cemented in spending their money. Reddit is notorious for being locked into that mindset. You're just a number to these companies, not a friend, not a supporter, a number. If you copy intangible data it means nothing, you weren't going to buy it from anyway. Them trying to stop people from doing this is a natural reaction, but they must never be given the power to actually make using any data illegal. They've already got things in place that shouldn't be. The internet, in order to maintain itself must be lawless. Any attempt to control it will destroy it.

>>375993158
Being an uninformed consumer who is a blind loyalist is why companies like Apple continue to turn massive profits while doing things that shit directly into the mouths of their users.

Why are you defending these people?

>>375984164
be autistic as hell is the first step

>>375993240
>upset that a game isn't an exclusive to a console
What in the fuck is wrong with you?