What went wrong?

everything

>>375974514
>Samus, you're now allowed to use one of your abilities that you could've already used but you couldn't because I didn't let you!

Nothing. The game is good only losers that don't like cool shit can't enjoy it

>>375974514
The developer was too full of himself and expected the first draft of his new epic cinematic Metroid experience was going to be universally loved to the point where he neglected the suggestions and foresight of the third party guest team he was working with.

The direction of the game is very good on the other hand, the story and the gameplay sucked because they were flawed ideas from the beginning.

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everything.

>>375974514
>short hair
>no booty shorts

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT PUT SOME DAISY DUKES ON A HOT CHICK WITH SHORT HAIR

WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THAT

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>>375974580
Exactly what I came here to say

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>>375974580
>>375974852
You are wrong. Other M is a good sequel to Super, Zero Mission, and Fusion.

>>375974514
That short hair didn't become her new canon hairstyle.

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>>375974776
>>375975023

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>>375975023
>Other M
>good

>>375975165
>memegenerator

Other M haters confirmed underaged redditors. Get the fuck back.

>>375974878
Seriously

>>375974514
The baby

Its still better than Federation Force. Granted thats nowhere near high praise.

>>375974514
sakamoto completely lost it

to this day l still have no idea why anybody thought metroid would be a good fit for a david cage level cinematic experience or why a genetically modified lone warrior superheroine became delicate waifubait for ronery neckbeards

>>375974514
Pretty much every single thing possible from start to finish. Read the Iwata Asks article about development if you enjoy the sensation of dry heaving.

The Yoshio Sakamoto who helped create Super Metroid is dead and gone. The current Sakamoto is a bucktoothed retard who makes shit like Tomodachi Life now and because of how Nintendo is, they can't just sever him from the IP and give it to someone not retarded, so it gets passed down a rung to Kensuke Tanabe, and we get shit like Federation Force.

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Sylux is the best hunter from Hunters.

JUST KILL MY FRANCHISE UP

>>375974514
they did the same thing to tomb raider, i think japan still has very regressive ideas about women, so when they try to tell a compelling story about a female lead they focus on vulnerability and other traditionally feminine traits.

i..i mean..somehow the sjws got to them and um it's good for femininism somehow..false flag false flag ..redpill

>>375975879
>i think japan still has very regressive ideas about women
that's a meme, japan has more interesting pop culture female heroines than the west

>>375975813
The god of Other M destroying has a new video on Hunters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPqAW7fyqmI

>>375975748
Is Tanabe just incompetent or does he enjoy destroying all Nintendo series?

>>375976110
even his character design is shit, he looks like such an unlikable douchebag

this game literally made me trade in my Wii

>bought a wii for Twilight Princess and Red Steel 2 among a few other games
>was getting ready to trade it in because started paying attention to some cool PS3 releases
>enjoyed the Metroid Prime games so I bought this
>get home
>put in the disc
>my Wii couldn't read it because it's a dual-layer disc and my system was an older model
>start worrying that all future Wii games will be like this and I wouldn't be able to play them
>give up on the spot and trade it for a PS3
>ended up never playing other M and got my money back from it

it was actually a good choice in the end but god damn do i miss Red Steel 2

>>375974830
The direction of the game, in Sakamoto's own words mind you, was to create a "classic Metroid using modern technology."

Among other pants-on-head-retarded decisions, this was the motivation to have you hold the wiimote sideways. Sakamoto emphasized that it was meant to simulate a NES controller. You aimed the wiimote to shoot as a 'fusion' of Prime's first person gameplay and 2D Metroid gameplay. He really thought this and even emphasized it when they argued with him. He flipped out when nintendo staff asked him to adhere to his own design rules for Metroid, that he fucking wrote before those staff even worked there.

It was a monumental struggle, to get any shade of purple into Samus' suit after acquiring the Grav Suit. Sakamoto thought a purple suit looked awkward in his serious cutscenes, and demanded she stay orange. In the end (after many, many intermediary designs) he finally agreed she could have a pinkish purple "haze" around her suit exclusively when using the Grav Suit function.

everything related to the game's creation is on that level of stupid

>>375974514
Using a D-pad to navigate a 3D environment for starters.

>>375976663
Prime 1 with the basketballs

>>375976331
The sad thing is that because of him Other M retroactively ruins Fusion since the Adam AI there was shown to come from the Other M douchebag.

Pandered too hard to the "epic cinematic experience" casuals and was destroyed by reviewers even though the gameplay segment was well done and the zero suit section was literally 3 mins long

>>375977118
>the gameplay segment was well done

The gameplay is literally the worst part of the game. If it had good gameplay, it would have at least been another Fusion with bad writing but good gameplay.

>>375977053
The funny part is that even Fusion Adam insults Other M Adam if you look at it's dialog in a new light because of Other M.

>>375977291
>Did this "Adam" care for you? Would he sit in a safe command room and order you to die?

>>375976721
oh i didn't even mention that as a result of sakamoto adamantly and aggressively refusing to allow usage of the nunchuk, the Ninja staff had 2 buttons for the player to use that had to somehow do everything. because of this they added the easymode dodge mechanic to compensate for the lack of buttons. and eventually they had so much automated that they thought it looked cool just having samus do everything on her own.

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>>375977334
ftfy

>>375974514
people got over 9/11 faster than they got over this game

>>375974580
Fpbp

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I wonder why the various Metroid Mangas never got a stateside release.

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>>375975595
There are plenty of Metroidvanias with a more indepth story than even Other M. It's not that story telling or NPCs are bad, or even that they make you feel less isolated. Hollow Knight is a great example. Story driven, tons of characters, and even a couple of cities. However, the remote areas of the map feel more isolated than anywhere in any Metroid game, especially Deep Nest, Ancient Basin, Kingdom's Edge, and Queen's Gardens.

Other M just did everything poorly. Tried to make Samus sexier by removing some of her sexy attributes (her height, her silence). Tried to make a proper story for Metroid, while bringing Ridley, the Metroid Queen, and Phantoon back for no good reason. It even tried to make a good explanation for why Samus didn't have all of her previous upgrades, despite it never being a problem before, and also doing it in the most retarded way possible. It also controlled like shit because the Wiimote was a shit controller, especially when holding it sideways and without a Nunchuk. The music was some of the worst in the series, it looked worse than Metroid Prime (a game that was 9 years old at that point, 15 years now), and it just wasn't very polished.

Other M was a nice idea in theory, but it had no level of polish, and it feels like an amateur game designer's first crack at a video game.

>>375977762
Did the detective conan artist work on this?

>>375977263
The problem is all you casuals literally didn't pay attention the gameplay.

See >>375976750
A "3D" game which most of the time is locked on set paths. It's a reason why the game controls are so solid.

There's also more action in it than a bore fest such as Prime 3.

The point of Other M is really to feel like a bad as bounty hunter and it delivers that.

Stuff like "samus waifu bait" or "samus just breaks down like a little girl" is entirely in the view point of cucks and children. When ridley appeared I gladly accepted and so did samus as a controllable character.

My character didn't become sluggish or freeze on the spot. I didn't see the 3D model crying or any kind of pissing-yourself animation.

>>375977762
The series isn't popular enough.

>>375977762
Because most of them are awful.

>>375977762
Wouldn't do well. Really only meant for Japan.

>>375977868
>feel badass
>can't even use rockets without standing still, being in first person, and before a lockon locks on a target
>can't use abilities until adam authorizes it

hahhahahhhaha

>>375977868
Sometimes I wonder if these posts are actually posts made by delusional people or just shitposts.

>"Let's make this heroine that's been memed up by the videogame community into a planet-destroying badass over the years into a weak incompetent little girl that pisses herself at the space dragon she's already beaten the shit out of 50 times."

>>375976135
>Doesn't know that Metroid Prime Hunters offers a non-touch-screen control scheme
I mean, c'mon. It's not as accurate because >console controls in a FPS, but it's still not as painful as he made it out to be.

Hunters' main problem is lack of polish, both from being an extremely early DS title, and that the devs were trying something new to make use of the gimmick instead of sticking to traditional control schemes. MP:H2 on the Switch would be fantastic.

>>375975748
>The current Sakamoto is a bucktoothed retard who makes shit like Tomodachi Life now and because of how Nintendo is, they can't just sever him from the IP and give it to someone not retarded, so it gets passed down a rung to Kensuke Tanabe, and we get shit like Federation Force.
whats more likely is that nobody at nintendo cares enough about metroid to take his place

and i dont blame them nobody in their right mind would want to inherit a niche IP with an insane fanbase

>>375978173
>insane fanbase
>were literally satisfied with a no-budget fangame with lots of reused assets from previous metroid games

It's almost like people want Metroid gameplay from a Metroid game.

>>375978069
Literally why Anti-Other M fags are the worst. Two decades of head cannon and a reboot into first person, several 2D games for a low unit selling series, begging every damn E3 for a new Metroid, and here Nintendo and Team Ninja deliver the ultimate homage to NES Metroid and everybody chucks it away.

Other M is a good video game for its game play and for what it was trying to accomplish.

If you want stupid anime lore and cutscenes then go to crunchyroll, because that is nearly what Metroid head cannon comes from.

>>375978321
i guess that's why zero mission was hugely successful

>>375974580
This.

I mean, you might as well list what went right. Which is to say: combat controls are responsive, some areas have good details, and you could say the setup for the mystery worked. (Well, it worked for Alien and they basically used that.) Exploring in the postgame was pretty good, which is sad when you consider what that means. Everything else was pretty much bad to terrible, failing in multiple areas and frequently due to conflicts in design choice.

other m was the worst kind of bad because it gives people an easy way to feel smart

>>375978363
>homage to NES Metroid
>With zero exploration, boring environments and hours of cutscenes with horrible writing
Please kill yourself

>>375978363
>ultimate homage to NES Metroid

Why is it so damn linear then?

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>>375974514
While Other M is certainly bad, improving it to an average or not so bad game would be quite simple, even without touching the horrible thing that is the story.

I've seen some people complain about the perspective but I believe it has a lot of potential if used correctly. Let's say the game used the nunchuck, that adds the stick and two more buttons. With this simple addition the following would be possible.

>Movement while in first person
Much slower than the regular view but much more flexible and usable. Could pave the way to specific enemy exploits like in some bosses.

>Dedicated button for every function available
No more missiles only in first person or that clunky recharge system. By adding the stick you leave the d-pad free and get two extra buttons. You have enough room for everything!

This would already make for a much more comfortable experience. Now about the tiny area that we explore in the game, also quite easy to improve although not by much.
Simply make the scene that happens at the start of Area 0 play at the end, like before a boss door or something. This would lead to a whole new fucking area for everyone to explore without even changing a thing for the story itself.

And last but not least, the most important of all. Pic related!

>>375978380
You guessed right and the reason why Zero Mission is still considered an amazing game and got a sequel while Other M is considered an abomination and never got a sequel.

>>375978363
trolling metroid fans is pointless because nintendo themselves are way better at it than any of us can ever hope to be

>>375978380
>we want Super

That's all I get from Metroid fans. They either want more Super clones or they want more Prime 1, even tho Prime 3 and Federation Force are kind of dull.

>>375975813
Sylux the Slux was great.
I would love a game where it was him stealing technology from the federation just like how Samus steals Chozo tech from the space pirates.

>>375978594
>want more of the best game in the series

Gee

>>375978594
>They either want more Super clones or they want more Prime 1
That's a pretty broad array of games though isn't it?

>>375978507
>>375978504
Because it's a modern game that was focusing on the story, and story is 99% of the time told through linearity.

Otherwise the game segments are great and represent what a 3D NES Metroid would be. The controller is even the same.

>>375978716
Then how did Metroid Prime achieve the same without any of Other M's bullshit?

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>>375978619
>>375976135
>>375975813
I think a 2nd Metroid Prime Hunters title could be amazing. Considering how far technology has come, especially handheld technology, in the past 11 years, you could do a lot of really cool stuff using just the premise of Hunters.

It had a lot of really good ideas, it was just rushed, and the singleplayer was an afterthought, used only as a way to unlock new stages for the multiplayer. That being said, I was always in love with the idea of Metroid following down the path of Hunters, making Samus an actual Bounty Hunter for once, adding in new characters that can be set up as rivals/enemies, and adding in more story without having to make Samus a weak little cunt like in Other M

>>375978801
By scanning everything and pretending there's a story.

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>>375978716
You are right. What I remember most about the nes metroid is going into a stationary first person mode and charging up my weapon and literally jumping on enemies to start a finishing move to quickly kill them. That's literally what I also did with the NES metroid game.

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Among the other issues, the game was a failure because it was a story heavy game. Any game that's story heavy is instantly trash, and this includes all RPGs.

People need to learn that video games are not a storytelling medium. They're for having fun videogamey moments where you PLAY the game. Keep your hollywood out of it.

>>375974514
it has a female protagonist
all this fucking liberal pandering is retarded

>>375978915
That's funny because I don't remember that. However I do remember playing Ninja Gaiden on the NES and thinking how much Other M plays like it. Probably because Team Ninja was involved.

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>>375978567
I was going to stop reading when you talked about making Other M average but I'm glad I kept on going. Those really are simple changes that would make a fuckton of a difference in the game.

I wonder if the game would have been received as badly if that was in the game? I mean, it would still be weak due to the story and whatnot but still, that is a huge improvement from the game we got.

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>>375979138
a story heavy game that has a bad story THAT YOU CAN NOT SKIP

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>>375974514
OK, i'm /v/ as FUCK but the hate for this game is kinda BULLSHIT

>>375979319
Oh yeah, I remember going into a stationary first person mode to shoot rockets, and charging up my gunarm and literally jumping on enemies to start a finishing move to quickly kill them and having an soft lock-on for my gunarm shooting attacks in the Ninja Gaiden NES game. I remember it all so well.

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>>375978567
>That suit
Game is now 100x better
Is that a mod?

>>375979138
Agreed.

>people say the vita is the best thing ever
>just Visual Novels and JRPGs

This is how I know they don't like video games

>>375977868
>The problem is all you casuals literally didn't pay attention the gameplay.
the gameplay is also tailored for casuals you shitposting mongoloid
>l-look mommy l avoided all the attacks and killed the giant neon bug by making a cool pose l'm such a bad as!!

>>375979430
I'm with you, companies like the know and ign memed it

>>375979430
>hate for this game is kinda BULLSHIT
Have you played it?
HAVE YOU FUCKING PLAYED IT?

>>375979523
>Forgetting all the dungeon crawlers

>>375978321
This. Metroid Fans were more than happy with just AM2R. It's almost like fans of forgotten franchises just want their favorite franchises to come back.

The problem is that Nintendo doesn't really care about Metroid, F-Zero, Wario Land, Paper Mario, etc. Retro does what they want, and yelling at them won't change their minds. It just sucks for fans of Nintendo's smaller franchises, because they get shafted in favor of the bigger games.

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>>375979421
The Other M story is so bad it's good though. Who can't enjoy lines like

>Code name: "Baby's Cry." A common SOS with the urgency of a baby crying...
>The nickname comes from the fact that the purpose of the signal is to draw attention. The signal was coming from a remote part of space.
>Baby's Cry... It was as though it was crying specifically for me...

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>>375979323
It would most likely receive a lot of hate but I think the reviews and overall quality would be vastly superior. I wonder if all that can be changed through mods?

>>375979478
Yes, the colour change was done through a patch kind of thing if I recall correctly. People were too pissed not to do this, and I thank them from the bottom of my heart for having done so.

>>375979464
I don't try remember that in the NES Ninja Gaiden, but I do remember the feeling of this powerful force running to the right, tapping two buttons to attack and jump, and then running towards a wall so I can wall jump back and forth to get to a higher area. And then continue running full speed to the next area fighting off enemies (or in the case of other M, shooting them) until I reach a boss and that level ends.

>>375974580

The only thing Other M did right was being playable on a technical level. Most games that are widely despised because, in part, they are so buggy and glitchy that they border on unplayable. You don't hear people complain about falling through the world, glitching through doors, clipping through walls, etc as if this was Sonic 2006.

>>375979767
I'd still play Sonic 2006 before I would even piss on Other M.

>>375979715
>The Other M story is so bad it's good though
it's not.

Something "so bad it's good" is stuff like Symphogear and G Gundam

>>375979738
Hmm, that reminds me of the Batman NES game though. Not Other M so much.

>>375979710
>Metroid, F-Zero, Wario Land, Paper Mario, etc.
Damn, man.
Not only was that a combo you critted all the way through. Good thing we're just talking about Nintendo because the list of games gone to shit because of other companies is also high as shit.
I'm fucking looking at you Konami and Capcom!

>>375979725
That looks so out of place. Couldn't somebody just color correct?

>>375979927
But anon, that IS the correct colour.

>>375979879
I also have Batman, but that is far too slow compared to Ninja Gaiden.

>>375979430
Only if you're a Metroid outside. Other M is to Metroid as Wands of Gamelon is to Legend of Zelda. It's seriously THAT BAD.

>>375979725
I wonder if Team Ninja would've made the Grav Suit look like shit if they were allowed to put it in.

>>375979865

Other M makes you feel sad knowing that everything went so horribly wrong. Sonic 06 is unintentionally hilarious when you're driving a fucking hovercraft and it clips through the water or you're driving a motorcycle in an underwater base because why the fuck not?

>>375979715
Yeah what the fuck was Sakamoto thinking.
>it's called baby's cry
>as in the cry of a baby
>as in a call for attention
>my attention
>get it
>the baby is crying for me

>>375979871
I l-like G Gundam....

>>375980008
It might be the correct colours but they don't blend with the game world.

Why are Metroid fans so autistic?

>>375979715
>>375980121

You respond to the BABY'S CRY by going to the BOTTLE SHIP. DO YOU GET IT?

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>>375979892
The problem being that video games take so long to develop nowadays that companies don't have the time or the money to waste on smaller franchises.

That's why there are so many dead and forgotten franchises. It's only when companies like Retro or Sora come along that forgotten franchises get new games.

Or, God forbid, fucking Artoon gets them.

>>375980121
I can't believe he thought that was a good line. Does "loud blaring" not act as an attention-getter?

>>375979464
Don't forget the riveting moments where the game freezes you in one spot and you have to go pixel hunting to find some tiny background detail for purposes of plot.

Also Irene not letting you use sub weapons until she gives you permission.

What's really infuriating in that opening cutscene that completely and utterly destroys the finale of Super Metroid in almost every single way possible so that Sakamoto can retell the events in a way that changes Samus' mission from "I need to stop Ridley and prevent the Pirates from making a Metroid army oh and fuck you Mother Brain" to "OH MY GOD MY POOR CHILD I MUST SAVE THE PRECIOUS BABY NOOOOO WHY DID YOU KILL IT MOTHER BRAIN AAAUUUUUGH!!!".

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>>375980121
>>375980224
I love Other M's writing so much. It's so bad.

>>375980224
And Samus is still distraught about the BABY Metroid! It's like pottery!

>>375980121
>>375980224
... bottle.ship.baby....

Baby... bottle? BABY BOTTLE?

other.... M....
OTHERM......
MOTHER??


HEY, WASN'T SAMSUS THE ADOPTIVE MOTHER OF THE METROID WHO IS HER BABY?? AHHHHH OTHER M IS SHIT SHIT SHIT

>>375980247

This wouldn't be a problem if they didn't waste money left and right on graphics and cinematics.

>>375980507
Artoon has had several chances to redeem themselves and they fuck it up each time.
I guess giving them Metroid to flounder with wouldn't actually make things any worse when it's already at rock bottom.

>>375980507
This. Or bloated their games with "story" (kojima).

>>375980121
>>375980224
And by going to the bottle ship, she is giving the baby her attention; giving it its bottle. Samus is giving her baby a bottle. You see in writing we call these "metaphors". Are you guys following

>>375980047
I think they did, and Sakamoto asked why the suit was purple.

>>375980124
Fuck off Sakamoto! I know what you mean but I would rather have it like that than the way it really is in the game.

>>375980247
But take Castlevania, for example. They always worked on shit budgets and when the money finally came they ditched the team and went for the terrible nightmare that is the Lord of Shadows series. They literally put the money where it shouldn't be used. Your argument makes sense but you also have to admit that companies are dumb as shit sometimes.

The bigger problem with money distribution nowadays, and this is FOR EVERY GAME COMPANY, is that they focus too much on power and story. Back when graphics were limited what did people do? They focused on other aspects of the games to make them shine. Limited capabilities were nothing but bullshit, you had to work your way around them.
Now all is fine as long as you make something pretty.

>>375980507
>>375980659
Hey ACfag, good to see you're still at it.

>>375980326
I don't. That shit physically pains me.

>>375980247
retro and sora aren't companies, they're nintendo studios (or in sora's case, a temporary team to help sakurai)

metroid's problem is that it doesn't have a dedicated studio anymore now that retro focus is dankey kang and sakamoto makes his stupid minigame compilations

it's also a franchise that'd require the kind of effort and budget zelda or mario games get while being far less commercially successful

>>375980843

Ugh, can you like, not? We're busy united in our distaste of Other M.

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>>375980326
Here's some other choice lines from Other M

>Anthony: Don't worry, you can trust me, your secret is safe with me
>Samus: Hello Anthony, I heard you. What secret?
>Adam: It's between us men
>Anthony: Hi Samus
>Samus: Did you get a new suit?
>Anthony: Ummm... well I guess I better be going uh... I'll just talk to you guys later?
>Anthony: Excuse me
>Anthony (leaving the room): Adam, remember what I told you
>Samus: What's he talking about?
>Adam: It's guy talk, I just told you that
>Samus: I never hit you. You shouldn't have any secrets from me. I'm your future wife.
>Adam: You sure about that? Maybe... I'll change my mind
>Samus: Don't talk like that. What do you mean?
>Adam: What do you think? Men change their minds all the time
>Samus: HAHA, you must be kidding aren't you?
>Adam: Look, I don't wanna talk about it. I'm gonna go upstairs, and wash up, and go to bed
>Samus: HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME LIKE THAT?! You should tell me everything!
>Adam: I can't talk right now
>Samus: Why Adam? Why Adam? Please talk to me! Please! You are part of my life, you are everything! I could not go on without you Adam!
>Adam: You're scaring me
>Samus: You're lying, I never hit you
>Samus: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART ADAM


>

>>375980751
>Limited capabilities were nothing but bullshit
This is quite true. It's also the reason why games with very limited hardware can compete with games created now.
Even when it comes to ports, the comments about the power of a console are one of the biggest bullshit comments they can make, but it is the most widely accepted one. People are dumb and lazy. There are plenty of games around that can prove the "power", "money" and "story/diversity" arguments in the fucking gutter but no one ever cares to look at the good games of back then or be vocal about it.

>>375980630
metroid is so irrelevant now that it's beneath even artoon

>>375980843
It's funny because I always post in Other M threads and people think I'm this ACfag.

OTHER M IS A GOOD GAME. HEAD CANNON BABBIES BTFO.

>>375980751
Yeah, but they have to focus on graphics and story nowadays. You see how much shit BotW got? It's a beautiful goddamned game, and still Sonybros and just regular trolls shit all over it.

You can't have a game not look amazing anymore. HD development takes a lot of money, and a lot of manpower. It's just a huge problem with the industry as a whole, and it's killing video games. Graphics whores are what killed smaller franchises.

>>375980949
Unless you want to see a thread-long rant about how video games need to remove graphics, sound effects, music, voices, text, title screens, loading screens, characters, and everything else that's not the barest amount of gameplay then you'd better either ignore him or chase him off right now.

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>>375980862
Why? How can you not laugh at

>>What are you doing here?
>"The first words out of his mouth were typical, coming from Adam. To answer his question, I recounted the details of what had brought me to this place, and then I asked what circumstances led the Federation here."
>>That information is not for an outsider.
>"The word he so obviously chose, "outsider," pierced my heart."

>>375980193
they're giving paper mario fans a run for their money

>>375981305
>It's not okay to be upset about getting no good new installments in your favorite series for well over a decade
Fuck off, troll. I know you're doing this for (You)s.

The game itself wasn't THAT bad.
It was pretty bad compared o previous metroid entries, which are still on a godlike level(both 3d and 2d, expecially 2d).
The development was hell, but if we act like we do not know anything about it these were my biggest concerns with the game
>obviously the retarded plot. All of it. And the dumbification of Samus. And literally every side character.

>game world was too linear and definetely not as fun to explore as the previous entries.

>putting the evade on the movement button was a bad, bad idea. i know its team ninja but...the game would have been a lot better without it.

>SEARCH FOR THAT INVISIBLE PIXEL FOR 2 HOURS. FUCK THAT SO MUCH

>you don't even get to fight the final boss. You fight a random metroid, the "final boss" gets revealed in the big plot twist and then some nigger bursts in and kills it for you. fuck that


Wasn't that terrible, but the cringey cutscenes and boring gameplay blasted the series into oblivion. Too bad, the 2d/3d mechanic was actually pretty good and brilliant in its own way(even tho the implementation could have been waaaay better ihmo).
Graphics were also pretty uninspired, with "generic jungle", "generic ice level" etc.

>>375981045
>>375980751
the big thing devs don't understand is that games SHOULDNT try to be as realistic as possible. At best, games should make you feel like they are, when they are not.
Game design is built all around smokes and mirrors, and limitations are not restrictive, but instead sparks immagination to find gameplay/visual solutions.
All old genres like platform-and even shooters, or even the fucking concept of videogame aka "press a button on a device to see a fake avatar do something"are built around those limitations, and the fact that they are NOT realistic is what makes them fun.

>>375981280
That's more whatever retards they had localize the game than the game itself to be fair

>>375981430
I don't give a shit. It's hilariously bad.

>>375981398
Why does a franchise need to go on forever?

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It was great. It to the bad meme of "le stronk an indypendent womyn" and whipped that bitch into shape.

>>375981210

>Unless you want to see a thread-long rant about how video games need to remove graphics, sound effects, music, voices, text, title screens, loading screens, characters, and everything else that's not the barest amount of gameplay
As someone who's a former Ps4 owner, I feel inclined to agree with this sentiment. I really hated The Order 1886. I actually went back to Pacman after that.

>>375981419
I'm convinced this is one person spamming, the way a lot of these posts are written is very samey and they're all the same thing.

>>375981604
>>375981151

>if you don't like Other M, you're a sonybro

Wow, that leap in logic.

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>>375976135
>18 minutes

NOT ON MY AIRCRAFT

>>375981718
What does >>375981604 have to do with Sony?

>>375981626
>Pacman
Pacman isnt Pong, it has a ton of important visuals and music that isn't neccesary for gameplay

>>375980996
>Samus talking above a monotone at any time

Almost got me!

>>375981704
lol.
Just came to this thread and thats my only reply. too lazy to put out a screen, maybe one of the other guys will.
For now, enjoy your (you)

>>375974514
You should ask what went right.

Which is: It's kinda pretty to look at pictures of.

>>375981117
Take your inflated opinions elsewhere, Dobson.

>>375974580
Eloquently put. Other M is just one of those rare games, where NOTHING, or next-to-nothing, went right.

>>375981151
Despite many bad choices I praise Nintendo for actually working to the best of their strengths, mostly in terms of art style. Everyone knows their console is not the most powerfull out there, but it really doesn't need to be because they still make games with a similar mindset of the one of old. Basically make a game that works as best as possible for the hardware that you have. They don't surpass the hardware like what many third parties do, because all they know is how to work with existing engines and that's why it all runs like crap in the end no matter how powerful the console.

It's not only BotW. Xenoblade manages to be quite impressive as well. Even before that we had Mario Galaxy, Wind Waker, Starfox, Donkey Kong. They all looked amazing and were a huge leap. People couldn't even imagine how that was running on that hardware, but it was, and well!

Even gameboy and ds titles managed to do this to some extent and you can see that even some 3rd parties have put an effort. Look at RE Revelations on the 3DS, MTFramework is fucking magic! There are AAA games out there with huge budgets that run and look worse than that.
Still, back on topic about the graphics and such. Adopting realism isn't bad but it has to be done well, also it's a shame we're losing the older styled games with loads of original designs. Each company used to have at least 5 (and I'm being generous) series with completely different art styles and completely different characters. It was kinda like opening a jump magazine and seeing a bunch of different stories made by different people. They had character!

Now it's just generic shit left and right. Not even monsters can set themselves apart.

i wonder how sakamoto feels about other m's failure, and how he squandered a once in a lifetime opportunity

>>375981419
>limitations are not restrictive, but instead sparks immagination to find gameplay/visual solutions
My thoughts exactly. Thanks for summarizing my whole post in such a simple way. It's something that pisses me off so I tend to rant a lot about it.

>>375981782

You're not very good at falseflagging, ACfag. I would suggest you try harder in the future.

>>375981430
Sorry dude. Translation was pretty spot on.

>>375981886
so... she cant move her shoulder

>>375982148
Or look downward, or duck.

Explains a lot about her controls in the first Metroid at least.

>>375980934
Sora ltd. is Sakurai's company, Project Sora was Nintendo's team for Kid Icarus

>>375982123
There's a difference between a translation conveying the basic meaning properly, and one that sounds natural

>>375981886
this makes no fucking sense. The comics aren't canon, this has been stated before.

>46 posters

Lol.

>>375981905
According to his last interview about Other M, he feels that the game is perfect, exactly as he wanted it to be, and is his crowning achievement.

He has no understanding why "barbaric Westerners" hate it.

>>375982361
Fun Fact: After getting tons of hate online for her portrayal of Samus, Jessica Martin (her V/A) stated that she had tried to get more emotive, but she was soundly rejected by Sakamoto & the people he hired to record the sessions, Her portrayal was based exclusively on what Sakamoto wanted, and he was extremely pleased with her job.

>>375982436
And Other M can't decide on how tall Samus is between one cutscene and the next.

>>375982663
So Sakamoto got exactly the game he wanted.

Can't say I blame him too much.

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>>375981419
>>375981875
People with common sense that actually see the real problems of the gaming industry are now having a civil discussion about it on /v/.
Is the world going to end or did I just witness a miracle?

>>375974580
This, the only way to redeem this mistake is a proper 2.5D sequel to Metroid Fusion.

>>375981867
I'm not Dobson either!!

OTHER M RULES.

>>375983068
Welcome to late night Metroid threads. Hope you enjoy this short time.

>>375975748
Metroid never got passed down genius, Sakamotot handles the Metroid series as its producer while Tanabe handles the Metroid Prime series as its producer. How do you still not know this? Both Sakamoto and Tanabe confirm this several times in their interviews.

reminder that sakamoto is so profoundly retarded he thinks people praise super metroid as one of the greatest games ever because the drama between samus and the BABY left such a strong impression on them

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/132721/the_elegance_of_metroid_yoshio_.php?page=2

>>375983419
Sakamoto said many times also he had no interest in returning to 2D Metroid, or traditional gaming in general. The last time he mentioned making a new Metroid was like 6 years ago when he considered making Other M 2, ffs

>>375981780
It's ACfag, that's how he thinks.

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>>375978567
I need that in my life. Anything that even scrapes any kind of bad from Other M is welcome. I have come to terms with the fact that it exists, but if it has to be a turd I'd ather have it as a polished one.

>>375982658
a metroid thread is a circlejerk? well i never!

>>375981875
>>375981151

>BOTW is a beautiful game

Yeah, nah. I can't stomach looking at that gamer at 30 FPS.

>>375976721
Actually no that's not what happened, Sakamoto wanted a 2.5D game while Team Ninja wanted Metroid Gaiden, the two kept budding heads until we got this abomination. You're right on the Gravity Suit though.

>>375983427

Sakamoto is pulling a non-sequiter there, but he's not wrong to think the drama between samus and the baby was a good part of the game.

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>>375982663
>Japs in charge of making VAs sound natural

>>375983634
>no Metroid Beach Volleyball compromise

>>375982658
At least there's a semblance of discussion here. You don't need more than 2 to have a quality conversation and I guarantee you that it is much better than 100 throwing turds at each other.
So let's keep this clean and continue with the small amount of people we have.

>>375976467
Red Steel 2 emulates perfectly, well you'll need a Wiimote with Plus but oh well

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>>375974514
DELETE

>>375978173
It's kind of sad how uniformed Metroid fans are about their own series. 2D Metroid is handled by EPD7. Metroid Prime is handled by whatever team Tanabe can find available that he manages.

>>375982663
>According to his last interview about Other M, he feels that the game is perfect, exactly as he wanted it to be, and is his crowning achievement.
>He has no understanding why "barbaric Westerners" hate it.

Source? I feel like getting mad

>>375976721
Which is a shame because the game actually feels good to play when it's not wrestling control away from you. Maybe with an over-the-shoulder camera and aiming with the Wiimote it could've been better.

The game was doomed regardless. There's so many questionable decisions that it's amazing that the game even finished development.

>>375980121
He never wrote the script just the guidelines, D-Rockets wrote the script and storyboards, Sakamoto's dumbass approved it.

>>375983068
most of the rest of the topic was bland shitpost with MUH BABY in caps, so I guess its a fair trade.

staying on topic, the cinematic focus needs to die too.
It was fun and all on the ps1 era because it was new, and because due to limitations of the hardware it couldnt be abused.
But devs, again, need to realize vidya is a different media than cinema and tv, and it should use its own rules to narrate a plot.
(classic)metroids are an excellent example of this.
You see only a short cutscene at the beginning and the end of the game, and everything else is integrated in the gameplay.
you don't need a cutscene of samus getting powered up, or struggling against a boss, because you are the one struggling.
A good recent example of the medium used wisely is Souls games.
Playing Bloodborne atm(almost finished)and I love how it has a good plot that the player has to understand trough ingame enemies, bosses, levels and situations.
A great example of it is fucking iosefka. It was a fucking fake? the real one was the alien one? i mean, it dropped her blood so i think that was the real one. IT BLEW MY MIND"
vidya burrowing elements and bits from other media is right. Doing some cinematics is fine too, as its borrowing some things from movies, etc.
But trying to become more and more other medias, thats just plain retarded.
>>375978173
but Tomodachi life wasn't half bad. not my genre, sadly, but still good for what it wanted to be. Fed. force also isn't that bad. It just doesn't feel metroid-y. at all.

>>375983974
even on toaster laptops with dolphin?

>>375983710
WHAT "drama between her and the infant Metroid"? There was nothing of the sort. She went after Ridley to stop the Space Pirates from making a Metroid army, not because she was trying to save her precious child.

>>375983521
Sakamoto is a Executive Officer/Senior Producer, he can't get hands on on a 2D Metroid game anymore, just produce it, please research this shit.

Primebabies were too mad that they gave the Metroid series to a competent japanese developer rather than their western casualized developer

>>375974514
It was Nintendo's desperate attempt to pander to Japan. Metroid isn't exactly huge in grorious nippon so it's had to suffer through a lot of negative changes and bad games in order to become more appealing to that market. It hasn't worked, of course.

>>375984159
can you imagine that this grown man apparently cried the first time he saw the cutscene where adam sacrifices himself

all jokes aside l seriously wonder if he has some sort of mental issues

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>Metroid thread, how fun
>People are having babbys first CINEMATIC BAD discussion like its 2007 and Uncharted just came out

>>375984210
Yes yes yes, we get it, everything needs to go back to the 1980's and 8-bit because oh my god why isn't everything like when I was a kid ruined forever mommy make it stop.

>>375974514
I truly believe the single biggest failure -- and there were a lot of them -- was removing power-ups from killing enemies. Pretty quickly, you realize combat is absolutely avoidable. There is no reward for killing anything.

>>375984409
>can you imagine that this grown man apparently cried the first time he saw the cutscene where adam sacrifices himself
This is what hurts the most, he cried, god I'm glad he got promoted so high that he can never direct or write a 2D Metroid ever again.

>>375984334
Of course not, but the baby sacrificing itself at the end to save Samus was pretty cool and appearing multiple times over the game after you rescue it. I think it added more depth to the metroids showing they aren't mindless evil creatures.

>>375984409

It's possible to make a heartfelt scene where someone sacrifices itself, but this idiot screwed up.

Even Blizzard did it 20 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YVD9OlSngg

This makes me tear up every time.

>>375984530
The biggest problem is that combat is so boring that you want to avoid it

>>375984524
at least pretend to have read the post before shitposting.
Here's your (you), now get out.

>>375974514

My major issue is the dodge move being just mindless button mashing. If it required precise timing it would have improved the gameplay a lot.

The way the suit powerups are activated don't make sense sometimes.

Couldn't care less about the BADASS meme

>>375984556
Even the hacks at Telltale could make a heartfelt death scene at the end of TWD Season1.

>>375974949
Remember that time the arch nemesis of the series died in a mystery-laden cut scene, without any participation from the protagonist? That was a good choice.

>>375984054
It's not as he said, specially the barbaric westerners part. But Sakamoto is indeed retarded to some extent, even after all the good he's done.

Trust me, reading the thing would probably make you pop a vein.

>>375984210
Back on topic about the industry issues then. I have to agree about the Souls games in terms of how well they handle gameplay. It is only sad that they are known for the wrongest reason of all and are starting to deviate from the good things little by little.
I could argue a bit about the importance of cutscenes. They work well if they are implemented well. A game without any cutscenes works perfectly but they are useful in their own way, specially on games with a more rigid type of gameplay like turn based rpgs or something like that.
I do loathe that everything is becoming more and more standardized as we move on. Not only graphics, trailer presentations, music, gameplay and story all suffer from it.
If you take a look at the third party trailers of E3 from the past 3 to 5 years you'll see a lot in common in all of them, specially the western ones. You can literally predict how a trailer or presentation will start and and at this point.

While not the guy you replied to I would like to make a comment about Fed Force. I did not like it and I feel it was a kind of weak game with a few neat ideas. Still, I would bet that it would have been much well received if it didn't have any ties to Metroid or any other franchise at all.
People would see the flaws but they would also accept room for growth. The way they handled it was basically asking for it to be gutted on the spot.

>>375984630
Don't even reply, just ignore.

This is like the only game where sexism is an actual issue.

Like why the fuck would you make a badass bounty hunter chick a slave to some basically random dude, and no I didn't play Fusion but the point still stands.

That and the controls where fucking awful.

It failed to capture what made Super and Prime so god damn good. The sense of exploration, the sense or isolation. Have you played Metroid Prime with VR? It's fucking amazing. You truly and surely feel alone. Alone in a hostile world, exploring, making notes of where to go and what to do, fighting off bosses that you didn't expect, learning about the alien fauna, etc.

How do you go from being a bad ass space hunter to being a dainty, gotta ask Adam for everything waifu bait?

God I hate Other M.

>>375982663
I'm guessing this is why Nintendo promoted his ass so far up that he can no longer direct or write Metroid games anymore. If he was westerner like Brian Reed, we would have fired his ass like we did Brian.

>>375985221
If you really wan to be annoyed by Sakamoto, he added the tagged on stealth section in Zero Mission because he wanted Samus to be put in a "dire situation". Adding the stealth section was really tacking and stressful for the 2D Metroid team but that's what Sakamoto wanted.

>>375985671
*want

>>375985671
>>375985671
Your English is fucked up.
>tagged on
tacked on
>really tacking
really taxing

>>375985671

The saddest part is that a romhack did that stealth section much better. It let's Samus keep her suit, but she's up against the equivalent of those pirates in that one room in Super Metroid, the ones that can't be killed without the Plasma beam. It's rather genius because it keeps Samus at her power level, but makes the pirates in this ship much more dangerous. I believe they're also more dangerous than even the elite pirates.

>>375985051
>The way they handled it was basically asking for it to be gutted on the spot.
this sums it up.
Im still mad btw.
>>375985051
>I could argue a bit about the importance of cutscenes
never said they should not be implemented. Just that in recent years they-and the cinematic experience in general-have taken way too much importance in games leaving just hollow shells looking good.
Look at what mass effect has begun(and I haven't even played andromeda).
from Me2 you have several choices, none of those matters. Dragon age inquisition is even worse-everything looks pretty, but nothing really matters.
I don't even want to try fucking horizon.
I already know im going to be disappointed.
also after Botw i really doubt any other open world game would feel the same

>>375985863
It happens

>>375984006
>2D Metroid is handled by EPD7
what a great job they're doing

>>375985897
I think something happened to Sakamoto's brain between Fusion and Zero Mission.

>>375974514
modern japan retook control and added moe

>>375986174
You have to wait they were created at the end of 2014, they had to build themselves up, their last game was Rhythm Heaven Megamix and they only worked on DLC for Miitomo not the game since that was made by Nintendo's Smart Phone team. If you remember one of their DLC's for Miitomo, it was Metroid related and right now they are working on a unannounced game that could be either for 3DS or Switch (I personally think it's the 3DS). That game could be Metroid 5.

Someone should buy the IP from Nintendo. They clearly don't want it.

>>375986548
>Rhythm Heaven

At least they made a good game before.

>>375986034
>never said they should not be implemented
I understood that, I was just trying to emphasize their importance and build up an argument from there.
EA is cancer, what else did you expect?
About Horizon... It's tough to say. I played the game, while it isn't as bad as some people say it is, it also kinda fails to deliver. I don't know what kind of expectations you have for the game but let me just tell you that the best part is fighting the robots which most times feel just like bigger fodder than they should be. I would compare them to Moldugas, maybe. I would say Hinox but they are more complex than that. And that's pretty much it.
It does some things well, but it's not a big deal. Do try it though. You might like it, I really shouldn't try to persuade you not to as you are a far better judge of your taste than I'll ever be. Who knows, maybe it will surprise you somehow.

>>375986707
Ill definetely try it, but for now I have yet to begin Nier and P5(wasted time doing nier replicant all over again because i couldn't remember shit).
Thanks for the info, anon.

And if it lives up to my expectations, i think ill waste my social life on ARMS for switch. It looks just so promising. Im not even shilling, im just hyped for it. Havent felt hype in a long way.
Last time it was for castlevania LoS(and then I died inside because it was bad). Never again I will trust an e3 trailer

>>375986707
>>375987067
Could you boyfriends get out of the Metroid thread with your blogging please?

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>>375974695
Why would Samus turn off a passive ability anyway? Gravity/Varia Suit, Morph Ball, and Speed Boost aren't going to blow shit up.

Should have just had Samus get her shit deactivated or locked out or something. Like "Oh fuck, Samus, the Deleter hit you with a Hacking Beam and your suit is locked out. We'll send you updates periodically to get it fixed but you need to chase him and gather data first."

Boom, set up the antagonist, made him do something noteworthy, and gave Samus a reason to do shit.

>>375987143
oh, right, sorry.
THE BABY
THE BABY
THE BABY
THE BABY
better?

>>375987313
Yes

>>375978121
Dane was fucking dull but I liked him anyway.

He treated Samus with respect, his orders were reasonable, and he has nearly the same origin story as Samus but he chose the military instead of space birds.

>>375985221
>badass bounty hunter chick
This is where you're wrong. It says nowhere that Samus is muh strong independent female character.

That being said, I didn't like Samus in Other M. "I'm depressed" was her only character trait and that's boring.

>>375974514
A shorter list would be things that didn't.

>>375987067
If you have Nier and P5 you're in for a good time. Try to play Horizon inbetween those because in case it disappoints you'll have a good game to play next.
LoS is like Other M, they fucked the franchise up beyond recognition.

>>375987313
It's Metroid, not Persona 3!

>>375987312
They needed an excuse to make Samus "lose" her upgrades yet again, otherwise they would have to throw them into the gutter at the start of the game in a way similar to the one you described. It was a common complaint at the time and they tried to avoid it by dealing with it in the worst possible way.

>>375987514
>It says nowhere
Exactly, instead they actually show it

>>375974514
honestly the gameplay was fun.

That story was dog shit.

I think the game would make a great 3DS port.

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>>375987312

That would be pretty badass actually, no doubt.

>Samus fully armored
>the Deleter is actually a space pirate infiltrator instead of a fed
>uses reverse engineered chozo hacking gun to cause massive issues with her suit
>"Samus try and stop them from doing further damage, we'll send you updates to counter the hacking
>anytime you showdown with them their weapon can disable one of your weapons, probably at random
>maybe it can disable one of your abilities as well, preventing space jump or grappling hook
>therefore no battle with them would ever play out the same

What do you think? Not a shabby start, right?

>>375987514
It doesn't say shit but I'm pretty sure being a genetically modified space bounty hunter who has survived some crazy shit alone proves my point.

>>375987631
That's what I'm saying though, it would give them a great excuse to:
A) Introduce a new antagonist
B) Explain away the power loss
C) Motivate Samus to explore the ship
D) Give her a chance to prove to Adam that she is capable without her full suit.

Could have been neat you know?

>>375987702
>port
Remake, you mean. One anon discussed some neat possibilities in this thread that could work well like that.

While the game is indeed shit with no way around to make it look like otherwise I will however admit that it was fun running around in 3rd person. That, they did well.

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>>375974514
I just want another 2d metroid with some new suits and power ups

>>375987514
>muh strong independent female character
l know you faggots got traumatized by le SJW boogeyman but yes, samus is quite literally a strong and independant woman, that's the best way to describe her

>>375987651
>running from side to side shooting things
>picture of her sitting in a space-bar smiling a bit
Well you got me, what an excellent display of bravery and fearlessness. Samus had very little character before Other M. That isn't a bad thing evidently.

>>375987907
>samus was quite literally a strong and independant woman, that's the best way to describe her

fixed due to Other M

>>375987939
>Never played a Metroid besides Super

>>375987734
Or you could have a scripted power loss, like say morph ball bombs or long beam, and you'd have to find a work around as the Deleter hacks station security and sends robots or experiments or bosses your way. Imagine having the station itself out to get you. Elevators stop working on purpose, doors refuse to open despite your weapons, save stations cause damage, and the only way to fix the problems is to chase the Deleter off somewhere else or to find a way to circumvent your suit damage while Adam or whoever helps you fix the systems.

>>375977619
Right? Holy shit, what awful game design.

"You don't actually have to fight, because you don't get anything out of it, but if you decide to, just jump on their heads and the game will cinematically kill them for you.

>>375987979
here's your (You) for your perseverance, you can leave now

>>375987734
Prime did tinker with the visors and functions of the suit. Drones would make your visor turn to dog shit, and even the visor changes worked well with that.
In Prime 2 there was literally a hacking enemy that made you reboot the suit system to actually work again. It was fucking great.

But then again, this wasn't made by the Prime team so I doubt they even considered those. Sakamoto didn't like Prime very much. It would make much more sense than the authorization system.

>>375987863
I agree with your idea (as you can probably tell by the text above) I was simply explaining why they probably didn't do it.

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>>375987514
>Metroid series
>Heavily based on isolation and getting stronger through discovery
>Samus is so fucking strong that a galactic army hires her to take out threats that are too difficult for them to handle
>Exterminates an entire species that threatens to wipe out the galaxy
>Four times
>Usually has minimal help, having only been saved by Adam once and by the baby metroid once, twice if you count the Fusion suit.
>Not strong

>>375988174
>here's your (You)
Could you stop doing that? Its already easy enough to tell which posts are yours without you repeating yourself

>>375988061

I like that idea. I can imagine the elevator going out and Samus needing to spider ball/wall jump/corner grab her way up. Maybe with hacked elevator repair drones attacking her with small soldering weapons cranked up well beyond what's safe. This practically writes itself.

>>375987907
>le SJW boogeyman
Good job outing yourself as an idiot.

My point is, the fact that you interpreted her as a big badass Amazon who looks away from explosions doesn't make it canon.

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>Immediately realize you're supposed to Power Bomb the Metroid Queen's stomach.
>Then spent 15 minutes trying to fight those big bug fuckers before locking onto MB completely by accident.

>>375988283
>Exterminates an entire species that threatens to wipe out the galaxy
>Four times
Clearly she is shit at the whole "extermination" thing

You know what would be a dank fucking Metroid game?

This.

>Samus's Ship crash lands on a planet in a zone that has is on the Federation's blacklist because it's too fucking deadly
>looses most of her gear and abilities
>Samus can't call for help, can barely walk out of the crash alive
>turns out the planet is a fucking hive of fuck, former prison planet, deadly fauna, deadly alien life, a few of the prisoners have formed gangs and tribes and shit
>she detects a ship launch pad several hundred clicks away
>thus begins Samus's final journey

Gameplay would focus heavy on exploring, learning about the planet that you're on, learnign what can kill you and what can't. It would focus more on trying to craft items and weapons than gathering your old powers back. Samus wouldn't have a normal suit, instead, a riped up Zero suit, with parts of her old armor attached to act as well armor. She would be able to get some of her old powers back but not all of them, things like the morph ball are gone. Missiles are limited to a few that you find. It would show that Samus is able to survive in conditions that would make a Space Marine go "Well fuck". It would show a sense of dread and loneliness that no other game can do.

Samus would finally make her way to the detected launch pad to find it is no more, and Samus would have no way to escape. Ending the Metroid serious on a hell of an ending.

>>375987734
>>375987863
>>375988061
>>375988226
>>375988327
Yet again /v/ manages to work out a simple, yet functional way to improve a game without removing its soul and actually make it more functional than it already is.
It's true that we're basing our thoughts after a failed product and it is much easier to expand upon mistakes than create something from scratch, but fuck, some of these mistakes could have most likely been sorted out throug brainstorming sessions.

I would really like to know how the development of this game happened. There are so many holes that are easy to fill yet somehow escaped to the final product.

>>375988519

She wiped out 4 different species of monsters, from the X parasites, Phaazon, Metroids, and the Chozo, since every planet they're on promptly explodes.

>>375977868
I felt really badass as I clunkily ran past enemies without fighting them.

>>375988623
I've never played any Metroid games

>>375988623
She didn't wipe the Chozo, they wiped themselves.

>>375988519
Samus killed off, permanently, Phazon, The Ing, and the X Parasite, and killed off nearly ever Metroid and only failed in that because the G-Fed/Space Pirates made clones.

>>375978053
In a lot of these cases, I think they're actually delusional people. I think they, "liked," the game because they spent money on it, or they're simpletons and liked the story, or think Samus is hot, or something, and they make up easily-rebutted reasons to explain it.

>>375988558
I will kill you until you die to death.

>>375988558
You have a good concept and somehow managed to fuck it all up by clinging to your tastes and leaving behind important parts of what makes Metroid, Metroid.

>>375985042

Would have been fine if it weren't for the fact that the confrontation with Ridley was hyped up and the boss fight with him wasn't one of the only fun parts of the game.

>>375988487
the fact her job is to explore the underground of desolate alien planets, fighting and killing gigantic cosmic horrors, alone, automatically makes her strong and independant

the fact she has a vagina makes her a woman

ergo she's a strong independant woman

l'm sorry you're too retarded to understand such simple concepts, just imagine this post is a 20 minutes long cutscene flatly narrated by a third rate voice actress if it can help you accept it as canon

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>>375988327
>Find a map station
>Put your canon in there
>Takes away all of your previous map data
>Also drains your missiles and power bombs

>>375988558
>Survival meme
>3edge5me
>Crafting

Not to mention, except for the edgy "last mission" shit, this was pretty much the plot of prime 2.

I kinda get what you're going for but if you want grimdark shit, go read/play WH40K. Prime 3 is about as dark as metroid ever needs to be.

>>375988928
>the fact she has a vagina makes her a woman
no samus is trans retard

>>375978363
Were the locked doors forcing you down a linear path the homage to the NES part?

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>>375988945

>find a save station
>it was actually a mechanical drone impersonating a save station, similar to the BOX robot
>it's after a particularly hard section that was already lacking save stations
>naturally it's aggressive

>>375988991
It's not about being grimdark, it's about putting an end to this serious so Nintendo can't fuck me any harder.

It's about taking the elements I love about Metroid (Feelinf of isolation and exploration) and making them life or death.

A Metroid Survival Horror would be great.

>>375978594
Prime 3 wasn't more Prime 1.

And it was still lightyears better than Other M.

>Fusion did better story telling than Other M

Plus Fusion accidentally predicted exactly how wrong a CO in a Metroid game could go

>>375978716
Why does modern mean it has to be linear, or story-focused?

>>375974514
You didn't see its genius.

So now you get no more Metroid games

I hope u r happy

>>375989350

Now to just get rid of the mandatory dialogue boxes and story scenes and give it more freedom like Super metroid.

In other words, leave Metroid to this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfbbpJ2-Ids&index=6&list=PLZS_o9tqWHmJHGmuQRRkfiqhgZIApfLXM

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>>375989061
>Solve an upgrade puzzle
>It drops the upgrade into acid
>It's in a frequently visited area
>You don't get Varia for several more hours

>>375989350
Other m is just rehash of fusion

>>375989273
Honestly a Metroid that chases shitty modern trends so hard would probably be an even worse ending than other M, you might as well just throw in procedural generation to go for the full shit show

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Nintendo so in love with their characters that they forgot to make a good game.

>>375978867
But that's his point. It was a modern game, too, and the story was there, but relegated to scanning that didn't get in the way, with no linearity at all.

>>375978915
My favorite part of the original Metroid is standing still to recharge all of my health and ammo. It was a nice touch not to link combat to item drops; real foresight.

>>375987514
>badass bounty hunter chick somehow = muh strong independent woman
Not him but a woman being a badass doesn't mean she needs no man.

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>>375989447

>get the upgrade that lets you survive in acid
>suddenly massive explosion rocks the station
>the upgrade in acid is now covered in rocks that can only be destroyed with a power bomb
>you don't get power bomb for another 2 hours

>>375989273
Again, you are putting your personal tastes before the franchise. If that's how you feel then you shouldn't for example, have the right to complain about Other M or Fed Force as they are exactly like how someone who put their tastes first imagined them.

Metroid isn't just about isolation and exploration. Life and death are present through fights and we've had tough ones several times. Metroid isn't about horror or survival in the sense you are making it to be. If that game happened it would be yet another useless nail in an already nailed coffin.

>>375989404
Also, you blithly accepted the "criticism" like a buch of cuckety cucks

>>375987881
Me too

>>375979323
The story is pants-on-head retarded, and it's an awful characterization of Samus. But I honestly wouldn't have cared if it was fun (and lengtht [and challenging]) to play.

>>375989579
>You blow up the rocks at long last
>Shatters the glass in the background, flooding the area with electrified water
>Won't get the unique suit that resists electricity until you beat Ridley again

>>375989663

This, AND MAKE THE CUTSCENES SKIPPABLE. Please, no matter who you are, whether you liek the story or not, don't shove it in our collective faces.

>>375989586
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you there man. I have always associated Metroid with those two traits.

Also, when I say crafting I don't mean it in a Terriera sense, I mean that you'd have to gather pieces of your old gear and figure out how to make them work.

Missiles? Well it would be a cobbled together launcher made of old parts from the ship.
Jump boots, gather a few parts and make them.

>>375979725
Look at that shit, though. How could you take that color seriously in a cut scene?

>>375989472

It utilizes a lot of the same story beats (Adam, the significance of the infant Metroid, exploring a space station that houses various biospheres, etc.) but it all plays out very differently.

Other M would have been better off giving Samus more of an edge and not just being a sadsack who regrets every decision she ever made. Adam's character is a colossal failure, but you could have at least made SAMUS interesting.

>>375989663
I tried to change the game in ways that would improve it without changing it drastically. Changing the story would be like making a new game, which for me would be perfect.
But like you and the guy who you replied to said, if it is fun and has enough content, even with a story as bad as it is I believe it would be much better and more widely accepted than the Other M we have.

>>375989681
>Finally reach the prize
>It increases your missile capacity by 1

>>375989818
>Instead of just getting the launcher you get 3 random pieces of shit, open a crafting menu and click on the launcher
Same shit as Terraria, I have no idea what you mean by "figure out"

>>375980017
Gee, I wonder what Ridley's up to.

Lady, this peace is what all bounty hunters strive for.

>>375989273
Making a new metroid game based upon the idea that the series needs to end is incredibly silly because you're already in the realm of fantasy. Nintendo isn't going to make another Metroid game so its pointless to pretend in your hypothetical game that you're making the end of the series, the series is already over.

Not to mention, breaking down Samus' character that much completely goes against the idea of her character. She is supposed to be a powerful figure, frequently challenged but always coming out on top and never made weak, a lot like Bayonetta, for example. Even in Zero Mission when she is shot down and forced into her zero suit, she doesn't play the role of survivor. She plays the role of badass and charges directly into the enemy to get her suit back. For her character to work, she has to be a badass, and reducing her to such a survival state is very antithetical to her character.

>>375988673
Since when was running past enemies not an expected part of Metroid

>>375980507
You're right, but almost everyone cares about graphics. It's 90% of what the people around me talk about when they talk about video games: how good they look.

The other 10% is the voice acting and the story. And if they ever struggle to do anything ever, it's a letdown.

>>375990040
This. One of the stupidest parts of the proposal was
>Samus would finally make her way to the detected launch pad to find it is no more, and Samus would have no way to escape

Samus would definitely just look for another way instead of giving up like a bitch

>>375990040
>Not to mention, breaking down Samus' character that much completely goes against the idea of her character. She is supposed to be a powerful figure, frequently challenged but always coming out on top and never made weak, a lot like Bayonetta, for example. Even in Zero Mission when she is shot down and forced into her zero suit, she doesn't play the role of survivor. She plays the role of badass and charges directly into the enemy to get her suit back. For her character to work, she has to be a badass, and reducing her to such a survival state is very antithetical to her character.

I think I'm not explaining this right. It's not gonna make Samus a weak bitch, the fact is, it's gonna put her in a situtation where all of here knowledge and badassery must show it's self. The game would make it clear that in order to survive on this world, you'd need to be one of the baddest dudes to ever be bad. The eneding would have Samus work her way up, gathering some of her lost gear, making some of it work, and reaching the lauch pad type of area. It would niether confirm nor deny that she made it out, but it would end the series.

I'd tried of half assed spin off titled. I want an end to series and this is the dopest way to do it in my opinion.

>>375989818
I respect that you associate Metroid with those two traits, they are indeed present and are prevalent in most games of the series. Still, what makes Metroid fun isn't going around getting random pieces a la Ratchet and Clank or stuff like that. A similar system could work but the one you mentioned isn't efficient enough in an exploration game. I would accept crafting as a method of upgrading parts you acquire through adventure but even then, having something serve as a sort of "currency" so to say, is something that has never been present in Metroid. It would cause you to have quite a vast amount of useless leftovers and wouldn't be a good system in a long run. I feel like you were a step away from having Samus cook her own meals out of scrap. Also, do not forget, Samus is not an engineer.

>>375990267
Society is retarded. But we already knew that.

>>375990330
You're almost making Tomb Rider 20XX.

>>375990330
I'm tired of your half assed stupid ideas and think the dopest way to end them would be for you to kill yourself

>>375990386
What I'd implying in terms of having Samus craft good isn't much different than the normal Metroid shtick. Instead of finding your gravity boots upgrade, you'd find a part of it, and that would send you to look for other parts of it. Maybe you find 3 parts and make it work. It's not
>Let me chop this fucking tree
it's
>hey, parts of my gear have been scattered, is it worth it to risk my life to get these parts, or should I continue on and hope I don't need them

>>375979725
Should have made it pink like it was in Super and Zero Mission

>>375981151
BotW was an exception and a possible game changer in my social circle, though.

My social media was absolutely flooded with people talking about it. I've never seen a game -- outside of Pokemon Go -- dominate the way it did. And it was lots of people saying things like, "lol I don't usually play hard games, but I am having fun lol." For some reason, it got people to play it and like it who normally think of Tell Tale as the height of design.

>>375990625
That's just busywork though. The only thing splitting the upgrade up does is pad the game

>>375988558
This sounds like one of those edgy proposals people always do for when they want their favorite cartoons to be DEEP and TORTURED, even if it goes hard against the established tone

>>375990625
>is it worth it to risk my life to get these parts
You see this is where you are having trouble in terms of game design.
The question of "should I get x item" applies in this case to something akin to speedrunning.
If an item is indeed in the game it MUST have a reason to do so. If you can choose wether or not to pick something up then that means you DO NOT need it to complete the game at all. Take BotW as an example and try to rethink the formula.

>>375990330
I get what you're saying and while technically you are describing a badass feat, there is just more to it than that. It has to do with the genre of Samus' character and her games. Everything that Jules and Vince do in Pulp Fiction is badass. There isn't much dispute there. Now would Pulp Fiction have been made better if at the end of the movie, Jules blew the diner up, a la metroid? No, not at all. Likewise, would Prime 3 have been improved if, while on the GFS Olympus, Samus executed a corrupt GFS officer in cold blood, a la Pulp Fiction? Still no. Both of these things are badass, but that doesn't make them appropriate in all situations.

>tfw someone was vehemently defending Federation Force in the last thread
Get out here so we can laugh at you

>>375991292
You dregs never gave it a chance in the first place.

>>375991292
Fed Force would have been accepted much better if it didn't have Metroid in the title. Despite being very flawed it could very well be the start of a new franchise or something like that. It had potential but naming it Metroid at a time like this was, like I said in a previous post, asking for it to be gutted and burried.
Still I do wonder. If better times came for the franchise and it received a sequel, how well would that go?
During the Prime times, which was when they started, I think it would have worked better. Also Kirby has a shit ton of spinoffs, some quite weird and no one seems to mind and accept them for what they are.

>>375990241
Since sometimes I need to replenish health and missiles.

I remember beating the game and then going
>Wait a minute?. what the fuck happened witth the deleter?
It was my first metroid game ever so i dint hate it

>>375991743
No Kirby spin-off has the last boss being your OC Donut Steel attempting to shoot Kirby down while he's stuck in ball mode and attacking you because he's brainwashed though.

>>375991990
Then you haven't been evading well enough shitter.

If Other M was a book, there was no editor.

>>375992256
But that is canvas course.
The difference is that Kirby does a lot of spin-off so people are already used to that and the fanbase isnt starved so they are more tolerant

>>375991743

>Fed Force would have been accepted much better if it didn't have Metroid in the title
Yeah nah. The game was more multiplayer shovelware that wasn't designed for singleplayer use, making solo play extremely boring and tedious. Without Metroid in its name, it would've been forgotten even sooner, right alongside Cory in the House for the DS.

>>375981210
Oh fuck you, ACfag is fun as hell o fuck around with

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>>375987939

>>375985221
I was fucking furious when I saw magazines praising the gimmick where you couldn't use weapons until Adam approved. That was legitimate character assassination.

>>375974580
fpbp