presented without comment

Animals have no god.

>>375973947
'1v1 me, bro'

>>375973947
This game truly is the kino of kinos.

how many people didnt have a backup save here and were stuck?

>>375973947
Very first time I did this fight I think for some reason I made Ramza a white mage or some shit. That was horrible.

Came back to the game years later and Ramza was a monk. Wiegraf had no idea what he was getting himself into.

>>375977482
>Very first time I did this fight I think for some reason I made Ramza a white mage or some shit. That was horrible.

You can get good damage out of white staffs since they go via magic damage. You can bonk people pretty hard with staffs since they go via magic power for damage. Holy can one shot Wiegraf.

>>375974945
You forgot the '!!'
Algus is my favorite character

>>375973947
>tfw was autistic enough to farm dark knight
>tfw it's a piece of shit

>>375973947
agrias is my wife

>>375976740
>first playthrough
>shit at the game and got pwnt
>tried dozens more times still lost
>gave up and restarted
>second playthrough get back to the fight
>come back as a Monk with Battle Skill
>lower his Physical Attack to 1 and Speed to 1
>beat him half to death then Chakra him back up
It was petty but unbelievably satisfying. Did similar with the Gaffgarion fight.

>>375979209
I just made Ramza a thief and nabbed Gaffgarion's sword.

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>>375979636
best strat

>Made Ramza a Dragoon
>For some reason the AI stands still and allows me to JUMP him several times
>Tell my friend this easy strategy to beat Weigraf and Gafgarrion
>AI moves out of the way every time
>I look like a god damn liar

I swear JUMP worked for me everytime.
Also, during the rooftop battle, Rafa hid behind my party member instead of rushing into death.

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>>375978764
>>375974945

>>375973947
Steam version when?

>>375976740
I think everyone

>>375981071

Never, because Square hates the series ever since they fired Matsuno

>>375973947
You forgot your cause, and Miluda, you son of a bitch.
You have become everything you despised.
Killing me will not bring you joy, for you are already lost.

>>375980824
Blame yourself or God.

>>375973947
Is this a Shit Developer Design thread

>>375981535

The real Wiegraf was still a good guy. He just got demon posessed. After that the Lucavi is in control. They have access to Weigraf's memories, but Weigraf as a person is dead.

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>>375981535
>and Miluda

low blow

>>375981831
>"Corpse" brigade
lol

>>375973947

post the one where it says draw your sword, motherfucker

>>375981805
sad

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>>375981972

SAD

>>375980824
Faith status = obliterated.

>>375980824
>animals have no god

damn thats about the most coldblooded shit ive seen in vidya

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>>375982025

>faith 0

>>375980824
Jesus christ he brought fucking ninjas to that fight how much grinding is too much

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>>375973947

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>>375976740
I definitely thought I was stuck here for a hot minute but after like 5-10 tries found a dragoon jumping strat that just let me win

>>375982174
>how much grinding is too much

Some people are worse. Some people have Dark Knights by the end of the first chapter in WOTL.

>>375976740
It forced me to look at the Ramza I had made, and try countless combinations to see how to resolve the issue.

It made me wiser and stronger.

I was stuck for quite a few days.

>>375979636
>>375979209
i just used weapon break on Gaffgarion

>>375980141
>Also, during the rooftop battle, Rafa hid behind my party member instead of rushing into death.

Now I know you're a liar.

>>375982174
>he doesn't master every job by the end of Chapter 1

fucking faggot

>>375982174
in this game? play it the fuck you want i dont fault you for anything

>>375980141
>Rafa hid behind my party member instead of rushing into death.

I've heard some that kid stories about finding Mew in gen 1 Pokemon or playing as Sonic in SSBM, but this is just fucking ridiculous.

>>375982968
Place Ramza in the back instead of the front
Ramza still moves to the front due to the cutscene, but now your party's moved one space forward and Rafa actually has a space to run away to.

>>375980824
>make game about grey morality
>just makes you work for the mustache-twirling villain instead

If Algus was a good character he would have made a convincing practical argument as to why classism exists. Instead we got HURR DURR I'M BETTER THAN YOU and Ramza looks like a massive asshole.

>>375983670
I was actually kinda pissed when Algus when off the deep end with his rant. Made me realize the whole story would end up being filled with such assholes.

>>375983670

Algus perfectly makes sense. His family lost its status as nobels because of his relatives betrayl. Which is why he's so hardcore about this shit. Nobility is the only thing that makes him better than everyone else. They have no fortune or anything. He has to redeem himself in the eyes of the political establishment by being a nice little lackey and killing some Death Corpse.

He's a contrast to Ramza.

>>375983670
Delita is the only thing grey
Everyone else Ramza meets is pretty clearly black and white.

what if final fantasy tactics was real?

>>375984279
Fuck that, you're goin home.

>>375983961
Whether he makes sense isn't really the point, the point is that he's a completely unsympathetic character playing a role that the audience is not going to be inclined to find sympathetic to begin with.

>>375984605
b-but I have working legs in this world

>>375985789
We can change that.

I love how the game cheats everybody into thinking it's a normal battle just thanks to the select screen. Luckily, my Ramza was a master Monk (abuse Chakra, Shockwave and Aurablast) with Teleport, so I beat him at the second round.

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>>375973947

>>375980824
ICE
COLD

>>375986295
How are you even supposed to win the fight without buff cheese or grinding excessively in anticipation?

>>375983670
Game's clearly doing a marxist perspective on class struggle; and certainly Argath knows what he says is absolute truth, since the political and economical context (and personal story) leads him to do so. To be clear, he was born with a subset of ideas and models to achieve and to glorify, and is a bitter cunt to those who are not enjoying themselves under the umbrella of that privilege.

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>>375973947
>First time, blind run
>Figured out that Ramza's personal buffs didn't have a limit while bullying a goblin for JP
>Enter this fight as a two-handed Monk

>>375987002
In all seriousness, just being able to attack in distance and run somewhere safe is enough. Teleport is just 600JP, Aurablast is something like 300JP, Chakra another 300JP, Shockwave 500JP. Then you have the squire abilities, like Focus, which is a god send and Tailwind, which is only 300JP.

That is pretty much achievable without grind if you play your cards well and get JP Boost in the first couple of battles.

>>375976740
Guilty of this way back when I played it for the first time in the 90's. I always had 3 saves when playing (because saves still got corrupted before) - on the save point before that though I knew something epic was about to unfold, so I saved on all those 3 goddamn slots - and it was during a time when i had no idea what classes i need to assign to my people.

literally had to forget the game for a few months, then mustered up the will to start from the beginning.

>>375982174
um, as a kid I hit lvl 52 before the second chapter.

>>375973947
>People actually had trouble with the first phase and not Velius

What the

>>375987127
>Dual Wield Monk will strike twice even if it has no weapon

Never though of that. Can monks be more OP?

>>375976740
This battle made me restart and grind hard.
>Before Dorter Trade City battle.
>Grind until Ramza is a ninja.

Yeah i didn't have many friends and was pale as hell.

>>375987558
Doublehand monks are arguably better.
God knows how you two-hand your bare hands, though.
Haymakers, I guess?

>>375987535
His goat form is easier since you can actually plan things with multiple people instead of playing cat and mouse with a Counter that can subtract 100+ HP and a full Agrias repertoire of overpowered, instant and unlimited shit.

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>>375987535

depending on how much self-buffing you do on the first phase, Velius can be a walk in the park

>>375981805
Didn't he murder someone on one of those desert maps?
Memory is hazy, but i recall someone lunging towards someone and killing someone without that desired outcome.
Fuck it's been too long. 'bout time to fire the ol' gal up.

>>375988085
>Fuck it's been too long. 'bout time to fire the ol' gal up.

If you haven't already, PPSSPP for War of the Lions works like black magic

>>375987802

Double Axe Handle.

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>>375973947
>"We should just lock the player into a boss fight out of nowhere"
>"Also we should take away their entire party"

who thought this joke was funny

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>>375987802

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>>375984828

>Why isn't this classist boot-licker sympathetic?

Gee I wonder.

Some people you meet in life are just assholes, Algus is one such asshole.

Best job class for Ramza coming through in pic related. Never be hit by a physical attack again.

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>>375988210
>who thought this joke was funny

this nipponese man

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>>375977482
>draw your sword Ramza
>sword
Boy are you in for a surprise. Bend over while I lube my fists up with accumulate.

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>>375984828
You're one of those "everything should pander to me and my beliefs" arn't you?
Can't tell if plebbit or retarded, delete urself.

The first I did against Zalmo was charge a Bahamut on him and one of his oracles made him an atheist.

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>>375988382

it's fine, go ahead, he's not making any new games now anyway

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Ivalice was a pretty fantastic world.
I hope they return to it someday.
Though, maybe it's for the better they don't.

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>>375988275
>Not turning everyone into wizards with math skill

>>375987913
What if you play it actually legit?

>>375988613
You shut your whore mouth right now. FFT was the only game this universe needs and modern SE in incapable of making a worthy successor.

>>375987867
Don't have a weakass ramza and the first form is a joke. First form is just a dps/defense check.

>>375988613
Nah let it be. Square Enix can't tell a good story any more. And fft was great only because it was inspired by tactics ogre.

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>>375988653
>give everyone chameleon robes and spam CT5 holy

>>375988725
Fuck off, Vagrant Story was great too.

>>375988653

>Wonderful, now all my characters look like chubby, bald school marms
vs
>Fuck yes, you are the coolest looking male and female job classes ever.

I bet you don't even lift.

>>375988148
I reckon i'd play it on PSP, if i had one, while on a flight or something. For me, regardless of it being a great game, the nostalgia kick makes it even better.
In all honesty i prefer the ps1 version.
I'm also one of those, "things were better back in the days" time guys.

>>375973947
I just realized how much this game feels like a Final Fantasy Westeros. On that note, would play a Game of Thrones Tactics game.

>>375988942
That's because Game of Thrones is basically babby's first political intrigue plot.

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>>375989045

>>375987002
Auto-Potion alone negates like 95% of his damage.

>>375989045
Hey! That guy does porn of FFT

>>375989060
>>375988942

Also they're both sorta based on the War of the Roses.

>>375989128
Marche was right

>>375989060
>"I shit on things because too many people like them!"
This is you.

Took me a few tries on my first pkaythrough having no idea what I got into. Gave Ramza a motherfucking gun and that ability where near low life he gets fully healed. No problem.

>>375989060
>>375988942

More like both FFT and ASOIAF use the same source material, the Wars of the Roses.

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>>375980824
well damn

>>375988942
>>375989060
>tfw no War of the Lions anime was ever made to capitalize on the success of GoT

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>>375989363

>Square
>ever using their IP correctly

god knows we'd just get another fuckin Spirits Within

>>375988748
>defense check.
There's not such thing as def in FFT anon.

>>375988210
They did this in FFTA too, iirc. Twice, actually.

>>375984828
>>375983670
I don't remember much about the story, but it's not like Algus was the only representative of the status quo. Wasn't the whole point that the Beoulves were righteous but there were lots of other shitbag nobles (starting with Algus) that made them look bad? It wasn't his job to be the voice of reason against Wiegraf, because in the end Ramza had his own reasons to put him down even if Algus was a shithead.

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>>375988971
>that knight

What I found genuinely weird was how Rafa used a Zodiac stone to revive her brother, and showed that they can be used for good, and then that plot point was never followed up whatsoever.

>>375980824
ALGUS DID NOTHING WRONG!

>>375989678
>Wasn't the whole point that the Beoulves were righteous

Ehhhhhhhhhh

>>375989678

The point was that Balbanes was righteous and only Ramza and Alma took up this mantle. This is ironic since they're both illegitimate, and the legitimate kids are jerks. Dycegard is straight up evil, and Zalbag falls in the middle.

Ramza grew up idolizing his father, and thought he was the status quo instead of the exception. His disillusionment after Zalbag orders Teta to be killed leads to him abandoning his family. Delita and Teta had been part of the family since they were children.

Interesting that Ramza never calls Zalbag out on that order. Algus gets the blame. Or that Zalbag never questions that the team led by Algus turned up dead.

>>375989576
There's blocking and abilities that reduce damage, though.

>>375989743

The stones appear able to communicate to other planes of reality, be it demonic or angelic.

There's also no confirmation as to whether there's any kind of God or anything in Ivalice. All we see are demons and the religion turns out to be mistakenly worshipping the Anti-Christ.

>>375988210
This wasn't even the hard part. When you bring your party in is when shit gets real.

>>375989158
hahaha, i recognized the art too.

>>375987002
A properly set up monk can just basic attack him twice.

>>375990154

Zodiac stones are the magicite/nethicite in FF12. Both can be used for good or evil

ARTBOOK FUCKING WHERE

>>375989678
>Beoulve
>Righteous

Dycedarg is a shithead and a puppeteer, Zalbaag just doesn't want to think much. The only righteousness we see is of their father's legend in another war that fucked up the commonfolk, as the first chapter strains. The glorification seen throughout the game of the 50 years' war is just because the War of the Lions is either too damn shitty or Ramza is too young.

>>375990154
I forget, did Vagrant Story ever properly explain exactly what The Dark was or how it came into being?

>>375989946
It makes sense that Zalbag wouldn't question that, the Fort exploded and Algus' team had been assigned to go in and wipe out the remaining rebels hiding in the fort. The fight outside between Algus and Ramza+Delita was just a small skirmish Zalbag probably didn't even know about it and just assumed that that team had been wiped out.

>>375988667
Velius shoves a titan so far up your asshole titan ends up wearing you like a body glove

Anyone tried the FFT 1.3 insane mod? I thought it was kinda fun up to a point, but by the beginning of chapter 4 I had just gotten annoyed with it and dropped it. The balance changes are great but the excessive healing items in every battle used by enemies got old really fast.

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>>375973947

>>375988869
You don't keep them as calculators once they master the skill. You job change them to wizards or some other class. Shit, even ninjas for the speed boost.

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>>375992117

>The balance changes are great but the excessive healing items in every battle used by enemies got old really fast.

Yeah, that was pretty dumb. Revival items/abilities moreso than healing.
The XCOM remake fixed this issue entire by making the healing/revival item have a limited amount of charges.

I stopped playing FFT because it seemed too grindy.

Also because the internet told me I have to apparantly abandon my entire party and reroll for a new one.

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>>375992873
>I stopped playing FFT because it seemed too grindy.

I can see how you think that, but the game's difficulty curve isn't typical. Chapter 1 is the hardest, and has one of the worst difficulty spikes, Dorter Slums.

The game gets significantly easier through Chapter 2 and 3, even without grinding for JP or unlocking classes. So long as you get over the Chapter 1 hump, it won't feel grindy at all.

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Why wasn't this one of Ramza's alt costumes in Dissidia?

>>375993045
Can you just point me to a good playthrough of it so I don't have to actually play it?

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>>375993256

I don't watch LPers/streamers because I am not a cocksucker, sorry.

how do i get my girlfriend to dress up as a white mage?

>>375992776
Look at that faggot Arc in the background. I bet he's sucked 37 dicks.

>>375993335
find a nail, then find a hammer, and then figure out how to jam one of them into your skull.

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>>375993335

step 1, actually find a GF

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>>375989045
If everyone could see the number of times someone masturbated over their head, would you cut down on masturbating?

Are there any games that have a female knight defending a male lord?

>>375993064
Ramza has a better ass than most FF girls.

>>375993560
I think it would increase because people would realize that other people do it, and it would be more normalized.

>>375993560
Absolutely not

>>375993563

Evony Online, m'lord

>>375993560
i would do it more to get to a round number and then stop

>>375993560
>implying I wouldn't got for the high score

>>375993335
Date a Klanswoman and call it close enough.

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>>375993560
Sauce?

Also I might actually masterbate more just to fuck with people.

>>375993560
>>375993673
Girls would do it less since it would turn into a pissing contest.

How often men masturbate would probably not change much as a global average, but there would be fewer outliers in general as they try not to appear deviant by having an excessively high/low number.

>>375993968
https://exhentai.org/tag/group%3Aamahara+teikoku

>>375993902
a thousand times this

>>375994357
>leaderboards get set up as people see who can masturbate the most

>That one battle where Meliadoul joins as a guest but can't do anything because all the enemies have no gear.
What were they thinking?

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A FFT thread and nobody is talking of the others (I know a lot of people think that A2 is trash but c'mon give some love to the other)


Also seeker best class.

>>375986609
I SAY WHAT'S COOLER
THAN BEIN' COOL

>>375988275
>lifting the sheathed katana over your head and drawing it like that
no better way to unleash the animal inside

>>375988275
>the samurais have a blocking animation that is them stopping the blade with their hands

This fucking game, man, they don't make'em like this anymore

>>375994979
>(I know a lot of people think that A2 is trash but c'mon give some love to the other)

No, I think both A1 and A2 are trash.

Should I play WOTL if I haven't played Tactics?

>>375995828

Yeah it's fine. It's really just a new translation.

>>375994979
Magic frenzy Seer Illusionists dual wielding books has to be one of the funniest game breaking combos ever devised. I was a big fan of Chocobo Knights too, remember the Brown and White Chocobos being pretty decent for supporting.

>>375995847
Actually, my question was shitty
What I meant was, is the PSX version not worth playing when WOTL exists?

>>375995891
Shit, I never even thought of dual books. I thought it only worked for melee weapons.

>>375995934

WOTL isn't much of an improvement, it's really just a port. Either is fine

>>375995936
Yeah I never tried it for the same reason but somebody told me about it. Seer magic frenzy makes them perform a normal attack on any enemy they hit with a spell. Illusionist magic hits the whole field for low damage. So the Illusionist magic hits everyone and then the Seer who has two books equipped teleports to every enemy on the map via magic frenzy and whaps them on the head with two books.

>>375995828
The translation is better (except for two really good lines in the original), but the port is shitty. Get patches or patch the PSX game with the translation.

>>375994979
Recently started up ffta after a good long while and I miss some of the things they changed in A2. Still think I prefer it over A2 though. The whole Heritor business and the antagonists weren't really my style, and I disliked the new presentation of the map.

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*blocks your path*

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>>375996145
Did they change this? All I remember hearing was that Algus was re-translated as Argath and that just seems wrong. Also more flowery ye olde Englishe dialogue in general.

>>375996145
How actually bad is the translation in the PSX version? I can enjoy engrish but is actually detrimental to the story or other critical information like incorrect info.

>>375995828
The only downsides to WotL are:
nerfed magic. They increased the timer on magic because n00bs kept getting raped in Dorter or some shit. Now there's little reason to use it when Sword Skills are better.
bad audio. No, the lightning bolts aren't supposed to sound like beeps.
And that's basically it. Meliadoul's sword skills now do damage to enemies that don't have gear in the corresponding slot, so she's not just waifu material anymore. You still get Orlandu first, though.

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>>375996324
>Did they change this?

Yes. All of the iconic quotes were changed

>>375996286
Just in case Velius didn't rape your ass hard enough.
>>375996328

>>375996286
>teleport behind one of the assassins
>pummel
>battle solved

>>375996324
Yes! They actually did, for" 'Tis your birth and faith that wrong you. Not I".
. They also chopped down "Animals have no God!".

>>375996328
It's very literal and can fuck the meaning over. Readable, just not recomendable over the more context appropiate and pretty WOTL translation.

>>375996512
"Draw your sword, Ramza" is actually unchanged.

>>375996328
The original translation is fine, there are some Engrish-y moments like Ramza yelling 'don't open that!' at a guy who is going to use a magic demon stone, but that intent and meaning are generally quite clear. From what I can tell the WOTL translation (haven't played it myself) is generally more accurate, but also up its own ass with period appropriate dialogue. An example I found from Googling:

Original:
>Gaffgarion: I'm being more than kind to the guard captains here. Besides, we're mercenaries hired by the Hokuten. I'm not obliged to show respect to you.

WOTL:
>Gaffgarion (raising his head): A guard captain in these rain-sodden hinterlands ought not expect chivalry. We are in the employ of the Order, not of it. Our pay does not cover trite courtesies to the likes of you.

>>375996328
Only the PSX version has the magic/skill chants too.

>>375996708
The second one is fine, what's your problem with it?

>>375996572
Jesus, all the hate is deserved.

>>375996708
>period appropriate dialogue.

Shakespare was late 16th century, Wars of the Roses were from 1450-1500

So even if it's period, it's off by a century

>>375996764
Every single line is wrote in a baroque way, but really comprehensible. It can be good and tasteful to some, but it may burn out to others, specially in comparison to the more straightforward original translation.

>>375973947
Was this really that hard? I see that alot in here, I was already a Lv 99 double reclassed Knight before finishing the first act

>>375996959
I think it's great!

>>375996982

>it wasn't hard if you grind like a retard

tell me more about how you play whiffleball at age 30

>>375996997
Me too, glad you like it. It was rather unpopular at release back in 2007.

>>375997070
>get stuck in the game because you're too dumb to prepare
I hope he wasnt too hard on you boy

>>375996764
I dunno, I've never really liked when fantasy fiction tries to replicate Shakespearean dialogue, or whatever you want to call it - rather than putting me into the time period they're trying to evoke, it takes me out, since I can immediately picture the thought process that went into writing each over-wrought line.

But I'm not a scholar of language or a fancy published writer, so that is definitely just my opinion, no more valid than people that like it.

When it comes to WOTL specifically though, I would probably never be able to give it a fair shake as I've practically memorized the original dialogue, the only thing I can damn near objectively say is shitty is the removal of iconic lines like 'Blame yourself or God.' and 'Animals have no god!' to fit the new insistence on flowery dialogue.

>>375997181

>prepare
>throw rocks at a cornered enemy for 30 hours of your life

grinding is for people who are bad at video games.

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>>375996328
It's complete and utter shit.

>>375976740
Chyea'. First playthrough. Elmdor was the obstacle I could not beat. Him 'n his hos.

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>>375973947
reminder this is the best strategy rpg

>>375997387

2 is better though

>>375997387
I don't remember Front Mission 4's cover looking like that.

>>375997264
>throwing rocks
>not making the enmy a chicken, sap their speed, raise yours and proceed to guts till eternity
come on now

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>>375994979
I wanna seeker this ass

>>375997535

>spending 30 hours doing that when you can just cheat engine

why bother?

Any good mods for FFT/A/A2?

I miss these games and Disgaea cant fill the void.

>all these retards that don't realize grinding makes the game harder

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*instates Advanced Law*

>>375997621
so grinding is for people bad at games but cheat engine is perfectly fine?, Gotcha.

>>375988275
I want to FUCK that female samurai holy shit

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Why does the Jesus Christ of FFT dress in thong leotards?

>>375997732

Same result, +30 hours to your life

you must be pretty dumb to miss the point

>>375997675
Only for like one battle where you're vs. a bunch of Red Chocobos and random encounters, the rest of the game doesn't really scale.

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>>375997675

story missions don't scale

if you don't know anything, don't post

>>375997831
So you're agreeing with him.

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>>375997870
>random battles are part of the game
>random battles scale with your level
>DA GAME DON'T GET HARDER IF YOU GRIND SHUT UP GAWD

>>375987558
Its actually much more efficient to make a Ninja with the Monks fist skill.

>>375997620
Leave my ressurected waifu alone!!

>>375997879
No, the game is significantly easier in aggregate if you grind and with enough grinding you can bypass the reason grinding makes that one specific battle harder in the first place. (Steal equipment in random battles and do poaching for lolperfurmes)

>>375997804
Because she's riding the fence of good and evil, giving her angel wings and demon "leotard"... which Etna from Disgaea kind of puts a spin on.

>>375997961

>random battles
>hard

do you suck? there's only one difficult one, and that's the 12 monk battle.

the rest of the time you're fighting humans who don't have access to item command or monsters who have squishy elemental weaknesses

>>375997806
Oh please enlighten me

>>375976740
15 slot memory cards were a scam. Some of my other games eat 3 blocks a save, shit sucks. I think there was even a "game" that took all 15 slots to save.

>>375988526
I like to imagine that as the oracle seeing the summoner, going "oh fuck, magic!", and whipping out a fedora and tossing it on Zalmo's head from several yards away.

>>375997879

>makes 1 battle harder
>makes 100 (or however many story battles there are) easier

yeah it's totally "harder" on average

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>>375998068
>samefag, here
And because she just looks awesome.

>>375998080
If you're an idiot and grind, enemy equipment will rapidly outpace you.

>>375998056
Relies too much on savescumming. Playing the game normally is easier and less time consuming.

>>375998103

doing 30 hours of a trivial activity is just wasting 30 hours of your life. doubly so because you're doing a trivial activity in order to make the rest of the game's story content trivial

typing in a cheat is the same exact effort for a baby like you, but with the immediate benefit of having 30 more hours to jerk off to shota or whatever you do

>>375988085
He killed the shit out of Gustaf for kidnapping. Not exactly the mark of a bad guy.

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>>375998191
>enemy equipment will rapidly outpace you.

gee i wish there was a class that was dedicated to stealing enemy equipment

>>375998191
By the time the enemies carry diamond swords and you're still stuck with your copper swords you have a few options:
A- Usemonks, monks dont give a shit about equipment
B. steal their equipment
C- Recruit them with the Oracle Job, then you can either strip them naked or actually use them yourself

>>375998191
Are you thinking of FFT 1.3? Because it really doesn't matter if enemies have better gear than you in vanilla.

>>375982174
You can cheat JP on the PS version.

>>375998191
>If you're an idiot and grind, enemy equipment will rapidly outpace you.

80% of the random battles are against monsters though. Humans are super rare for random battles

>>375998324
>being so bad you need to grind AND savescum in an easy game

>>375998364
Gee, it almost sounds like too much trouble.

>>375998436
Not really.

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>get shitty Meliadoul
>abilities only work on humans and they destroy the great loot
>notice that uniquely among the specials she can equip Lances
>her brother Izlude used Jump near exclusively in his fight
>Jump does 50% extra damage with Lance equipped
>decide that must be her secret thing and train her up as a Lancer with maxed Jump
>find out her class skills won't work with a Lance
>forget that Two Swords won't work with a sword and a lance
>can either be a Divine Knight or a Lancer, but not both
>Meliadoul sucks again

Well, I tried.

>>375998516

>stealing == savescumming

interesting that your mind immediately goes to that, but it would make sense considering all of the other dumb posts you've made

>>375988932
PS had the skill quotes, cutting those out was sacrilege in my opinion.

>>375998263
Nice one dude, man how I wish I could be a pro gamer like you and cheatengine my way to the end of a game I actually enjoy in 15 minutes and move on

>>375998556
>he doesn't know about Zodiac comparability

Why am I not surprised?

>>375997806
Why exactly is someone that cares about wasting time playing a video game in the first place? Is wasting time not the entire point?

>>375997961
HOW TO GRIND UP SAFELY ON FFT 101:
labeled characters A, B, C, D, E... whichever they are.
Phase 1: Grab your five guys and get them to learn Earthslash and Chakra (monk) as soon as possible.
Phase 2: Focus on a maximum of 3 characters at a time by pushing them into other jobs. You're going to need the remaining 2 to defend and heal and even slow down and cripple the enemy. I recommend the latter 2 to equip the knight's skillset for this. Characters A, B and C should have squire's skillset and you can have them using "Accumulate" infinite number of times. But don't let Characters D and E lag behind in base level, you want them to all stay within a small range so that the next random battle won't give you 5 level 20 guys against your 3 level 20s and 2 level 10s. After each battle, keep switching who gets to try a new job, always making sure the characters that focus on crippling the enemy have the knight skill as secondary.

>>375998956
Not even close to the best grinding method. Don't waste your time with that baby shit. If you're going to grind, do it properly.

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>>375980824

What a dick

>>375998536
she stills sucks on WTL?

>>375998915
By this logic, being alive is a waste of time and you should just "kill yourself" like redditors constantly advice everyone.

Video games are for fun. Grinding is a repetitive activity that is only fun to the most autistic of the autists. Not even the smart autist kind - the smart autists have fun designing best method to grind, but not even those have fun with just pressing the same buttons over and over.

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>>375998516
>Not really.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197339-final-fantasy-tactics/faqs/13954

Full battle list. 19 areas have random battles, with 1 rare battle and 4 battles per entrance. Most areas have 2 entrances, but a couple have 3, so let's go with 2.2 entrances to be safe, so that's 9.8 variations for the 19 areas. Rounding up that's about 190 battles.

19 battles have majority humans on the enemy team, and that's being generous and giving it to the humans when it's an even 50/50 split. 19 out of 190 is a mere 10%, which is even LOWER than my guess of 20%.

So fuck off knave. Gear scaling doesn't matter at all for random battles. The game is categorically made easier by grinding, especially since human players tend to select good skills and the AI is always stuck with shit ones (again, outside of Earth Slash town with the 12 monks).

>>375998915
>Why exactly is someone that cares about wasting time playing a video game in the first place?

Games have win and loss conditions. A trivial win is a pointless exercise, much like beating a 7 year old at tic-tac-toe. If you're not being challenged (or learning something), you're pretty much wasting your time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)

>>375999034
That's how I learned it, show me what you got.

>>375993560
I think I can safely assume I'm close to 3000 times. It's not like I'd be able to bring the number down anyways, so probably not.

>>375999138
GameFAQs is notorious for hosting out of date guides with incorrect information. You're out of your mind if you think a guide from over 15 years ago is going to be accurate.

>>375999128
>By this logic, being alive is a waste of time and you should just "kill yourself" like redditors constantly advice everyone.
That's actually your own logic. There is no purpose in the journey to you, so surely you may as well neck yourself and get right to the conclusion.

>Grinding is a repetitive activity that is only fun to the most autistic of the autists
I see, so your point is literally "stop enjoying this entirely non-productive activity in a way that I don't approve of". What are you even doing on 4chan?

>>375999093
Nah, in WTL her abilities hit and deal heavy damage whether they have gear or not.

>>375999272
>GameFAQs is notorious for hosting out of date guides with incorrect information.

And you're notorious for not providing any evidence that humans are common random encounter enemies.

Take a hike Mr. 10%

>>375999249
Continuously recruit and dismiss thieves that use Steal Exp on your main party so you can go through the game with a full team of demigods with Blade Grasp, Abandon, Move+3/Teleport, and whatever else you want.

>>375999338
You've yet to provide any reliable evidence, so we're in the same boat buddy.

>>375999239
Games are not challenging and not designed to be challenging. They're actively designed to create as much sense of accomplishment through as little challenge as possible. Talking about avoiding pointlessness in regards to VIDEO GAMES is an exercise in futility.

If your goal is a challenge then I suggest you do something actually productive, like learning a language. That will prove more challenging in many more ways than any video game ever will.

>>375999510

>reliable

Margin of error on a Gamefaq guide isn't going to magically give you the 41% you need, Mr. 10%

>>375983670
But that is historical correct.
Nobels hated the peasantry.

>>375999602
Could you please point out where I mentioned a specific number or percentage of random battles that involve humans?

What's that? You can't! Guess you need to learn how to read.

>>375999338
Not the same guy, but I do know that in the later chapters you will come across humans in random battles. I think it all depends on location. Sweegy Woods and that plains where you find Agrias, yea', you can grind random battles a thousand times there in chpt 1 and never see a human.

>>375999312
>mashing the same buttons over and over is the same thing as actually having problems to solve

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>>375999516
>They're actively designed to create as much sense of accomplishment through as little challenge as possible.

Yeah if you spend all day playing whiffle ball with 7 year olds, you're not going to be challenged. That's basically what grind-retards do.

>If your goal is a challenge then I suggest you do something actually productive, like learning a language.

If you knew anything about learning a language, you'd know how much gamification has gone on with flash card apps, Anki, and other stuff. Go figure, they turn it into a game. A challenging one. Where you have to learn skills in order to pass an arbitrary win or loss.
Funny how that works out.

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>>375998536
give her two swords, chantage, excalibur and chaos blade. she's now a monster fucking beast, with additional damage to humans. the real loser is cloud.

>>375999138
the random battle humans get better gear, which makes them hit harder when you got garbage gear. thief hat can make a huge deal early on. monks ARE weapons so it's not a huge deal if you use them. grinding calculator with holy wins every battle, at least if you score a chameleon robe.

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>>375999689
>Could you please point out where I mentioned a specific number or percentage of random battles that involve humans?

You're whining that random encounter enemies scaling with your level matters. Only human enemies have equipment. Ten percent of random encounter enemies are human.

On what earth that's statistically significant, we'll never know

>>375999714
Who are you quoting and why are you quoting them instead of just addressing my points directly?

>>375999812
Do you even know how random numbers work? Even if there's only one random battle that features humans in a specific area, it's possible to roll that fight multiple times in a row.

I swear you're actually autistic and would cry foul if someone flipped a coin and got heads twice in a row.

>>375999425
>Recruit thieves
What? You mean... hire a squire and get him into a thief and then dismiss(get rid of!?) him? That sounds like a much more time-consuming way.

>>375999832
>I didn't say this, I only implied it! that doesn't count!

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>>375999913
>Do you even know how random numbers work?

Do you? There are a hundred story battles in the game. Let's be generous and say you figured out how to baby it out and grind at the 10th battle, so there are 90 left.

If you bothered to read the guide it says that random battles occur ~50% of the time you step on the green node. So that's .5 * .1 each time you step on a node to get into a battle with humans, assuming you enter each node roughly equally in all directions. 5% chance now per entry.

If you think that number comes anywhere CLOSE to 90 battles, you're delusional. The net effect of grinding is making the game easier. You haven't even addressed how thieves can steal your precious super-human equipment for yourself, or how the AI spends its JP on retarded abilities (compared to a human player). Or how the AI doesn't frequently equip Item command, which puts the human player at a distinct advantage, even when the human enemies have much better equipment. Or how you don't run into T.G. Cid or Agrias as random enemies, but the human player gets them.

The claim that grinding makes the game overall harder is a joke. Stop your madness, you look absolutely foolish.

>>376000080
Oh wait... I think I know what you're saying, if I recall correctly...
>>375999425

>>376000080
Abilities have a much higher impact than levels. You'll have enough spillover JP that it's not much trouble at all.

>>375988613
>ffxiv's new expansion will have a 24-man raid called "Return to Ivalice"

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>>376000265

>it's a hotbar spam MMORPG

>>375988775
>And fft was great only because it was inspired by tactics ogre.
Couldn't agree more.

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I can post the original Tactics Ogre LUCT design document if TOfags want me to

It's like 6-7 pages

>>376000192
>The net effect of grinding is making the game easier.

Game is already easy even without grinding, so all you did was waste your time. Good job.

>You haven't even addressed how thieves can steal your precious super-human equipment for yourself

Yeah I did. You just haven't been reading.

>>376000429
>Game is already easy even without grinding, so all you did was waste your time. Good job.
>You just haven't been reading.

Might want to start up here champ.

>>375996982
>Was this really that hard? I see that alot in here, I was already a Lv 99 double reclassed Knight before finishing the first act

>>375993892
>>375993902
Not sure what is the best idea, only for autism credit and not for health, obviously.

>>375999727
>Yeah if you spend all day playing whiffle ball with 7 year olds, you're not going to be challenged. That's basically what grind-retards do.
That's basically not the case at all. In fact, spending all day playing actively with children is something both more productive and difficult than the average video game, including this one in it's entirety.

>If you knew anything about learning a language, you'd know how much gamification has gone on with flash card apps, Anki, and other stuff. Go figure, they turn it into a game. A challenging one. Where you have to learn skills in order to pass an arbitrary win or loss.
Gamification? What exactly does the ancient studying practice of quizzing have to do with games? I seriously hope you're not trying to imply there's any kind of productivity in vidya by associating the two.

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>>376000428

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Atleast tactics ogre gave you the OPTION to fight one on one or bring your party when it came to this shit so as to not fuck over certain playstyles.

If you didn't 1v1 him though you're a fgt.

>>376000513

a quiz is a game. there are set rules and you win or lose based on those rules

>last I played FFT was some months ago
>was stuck on the execution skirmish for some reason
>this thread reminded me of the game and I felt the urge to try again
>did it the first try
Such a great feeling. I think I failed that mission like four or five times before, and now I'm not even sure how.

>>376000428
oh fuck PLEASE DO HOLY SHIT

IM SO FUCKING STARVED FOR MATSUNO CONTENT YOU HAVE NO IDEA

>>376000480
That's an obvious shitpost you retard.

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>>376000540

>>376000620
I experience this with games too I don't understand it

I play something for hours and can't beat it, then I give up

then when I'm months out of practise and should be terrible I jump back in and beat it in one go

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>>376000668

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>>376000728

>>375976740
>too stupid to kill him as a squire

Fucking losers.

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>>376000812

last one

>>376000616
If the sole definition of a game to you is the presence of rules then all life from a human perspective is a game.

>>376000883
>If the sole definition of a game to you

not me

http://www.jesperjuul.net/text/gameplayerworld/

does /v/ really not know the history of its hobby, or are there really retards here who think "game = fun"?

>>375999763
>the real loser is cloud.
Cloud with Finishing Touch and Short Charge can solo any map in the game.

>>376000428
>>376000540
>>376000668
>>376000728
Is there an English translation to this? I'm looking but I can't find anything.

>>376000962
>not me
So you don't believe the sole definition of a game is the existence of rules? What do you believe it is then?

i wanna play tactics ogre but im way over the age of having enough free time to learn a new game every week


how hard is it to get into TO

Damn. We really need a new tactics game from Square.

Fire Emblem is fucking shit.

>>375996328
There are many, many mistranslations. While I still think you can get the gist of what's being said with the PS1 translation, I wouldn't recommend anyone use it. The PSP version is written extremely well, but I personally dislike a lot of the name changes (which is just a nostalgia thing) and they can sometimes go pretty overboard with the vocabulary that no one knows. I've only found like 2 errors in the PSP translation (which is very good).
Here's a sample of how bad the PS1 version's translation can be: https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/175391853/#175425641
The best way to play it at the moment is to patch the PSP translation into the PS1 version of the game. The extra content is not worth the PSP version's shitty music and sound effects.

>>375997804
I dont understand the question. Its almost like you think there is a reason she shouldn't, but obviously that is absurd

>>375997316
>>375996328

The PS1 translation is great in some ways, rushed in others. The extra features, like tutorial, bar missions, were so rushed they were gibberish. But the main storyline is fine.

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This is the only LP I've watched

Cordelia OP

>>376003879

Is that a team of female priests with equip weapons plus Ramza? That's an interesting team.

>>375980824
>kill that asshole
>somehow that asshole became Zombie asshole
>kill him again
>he want his mama's asshole
>DED

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>>375973947
*Ramza looks his way*

>>376003993
I don't think Ramza is in there. No, I'm certain.

>>375980824
Fucking Savage

>>375976740
i didnt
it was my second run through too so i dont have an excuse

>>375980824
The original's script had a lot more charm than the PSP version

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>>376003993
It's a Japanese FFT LP on niconico where the guy gave each white mage a different color portrait and edited in dialogue for a comedy run. If I remember the rules right, it was
>no grinding on purpose (all random battles skipped/save stated over to not occur), no purposeful actions in the story battles to grind XP/JP either
>4 white mages, one with Equip Lance and Jump 5x5, one with Equip Axe + all Squire skills, one with Equip Sword + knight skills, one with monk skills.
>Ramza is also a white mage, but he can only equip crossbows and use white magic
>Each character can cast Holy once per game (in the entire playthrough, not per battle)
>all equipment that can't be bought from normal stores must be sold, no equipping anything you can't buy from shops normally

Would have been a bit better if he went for Jump 3 instead of 5 though, the lancer was OP. Funny skits, though.

>>375994979

>talking about the other games

Fuck A1 and A2

I want to do a rebalance mod of FFT since I'm dissatisfied with the ones now.

>not super hard (some battles harder, some easier)
>take jobs from FFTA series
>gender segregation fo jobs
>rebalance everything

Nice idea? I don't know. I'm afraid it'll get too fanficy if I change the special jobs around. A lot of them are just boring repeats of Holy Knight or are pretty lame (Malak and Rafa).

>>375973947
Tactics Ogre: Let us cling together is the better game, heck, it's the better series

Squeenix, new Tactics Ogre when?

>>376005648
Not with that terrible job system it isn't.

Why do people who like Tactics Ogre always try to start fanbase wars when most people don't care and probably enjoy both?

>>375982174
LOL. I remember having most jobs with just the first few locations open.

>>376005648
it's reallly not
The only thing it has going on is its story
the gameplay is complete ass compared to fft

>>376000192
agrias with gunblade

>>376005819
Because tactics ogre will always be inferior.

>>376005819
contrarians

>>376004906
>>gender segregation fo jobs
whyyyyyyy

Is the radio drama translated?

>>376005819
Because DOWN WITH FFT! GLORY TO THE WALISTER!

>>376005819
t.Galgastani scum

glory to clan Walister

>>375993560
I would try to get a meme number like 420 or 6969 and pause there

>>376001631
its a pretty simple game if you've played any other srpg

but engagements are long as fuck

it got to the point where I could only do 1 story engagement every night after work for a while

>>376001631
Use emu, increase gamespeed

>>376004906
>gender segregation

Ya blew it.
Leave that shit for dancer and bard. It's enough.

>>376005648

How about you play both, you massive faggot?

>>375976740
I beat this game in Japanese version and never once i have to save scumming, and back then i was a kid. Are you guys new to turn based isometric games ?

Other than that front mission gives the same vibe.

i really hope that ivalice thing in final fantasy xiv borrows more from final fantasy tactics than final fantasy 12

>>376009086
>not borrowing from ff12
>with ff12 hd coming out soon

keep wishing and enjoy your zodiac international

>>376009631
well since raid in xiv have 3 parts to them i'd figure it borrow from tactics,tactics advance and 12 each but honestly i just really like all of the tactics stuff all the armor is nice looking with out looking too flashy

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This game is also good.

>>375996749
This is the main reason I won't play the new translation.

Anyone tried the FFT randomizer?

You know, I still like FFTA2 the best.

>>376011027
You're actually disgusting

>>376011380
Why? Gameplay and graphics are the best of all FFTs, missions are pretty broad and don't reiterate the same shit over and over again like FFTA or (god forbid) FFT, and the story's fairly okay.

>>375983670
Algus was right though

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>>375983670

The fact that Algus had an inane personality and was heavily biased towards wanting to be better than the rest as an overcompensation of his shame doesn't make him a "bad character"; there are other character availble for intellectual exchanges along the road, his storyline is simply being a massive entitled cunt you are lead to believe to be a pitiable soul, but instead turns out to be just as much of a fuckup as the grandfather he hates so much.

It should also be noted I have no idea where you gathered the "grey morality" part. Delita and to an extent the twins can be marked as that, the rest is literally a goddess of bloodbaths wanting bloodbaths ASAP and a bunch of dudes willing to get her just that, and you wanting to stop that while having to fight clearly evil, greedy fuckups fighting for the throne.
The moralities are pretty straightforward.