Is this true?

>Made a good mobile game.

It was fun, but just as bad as other mobile games

>>375959752
No

>>375959752
>raised the bar on open world games

I'm pretty sure Bethesda mastered the copy paste dungeons filled with level scaled monsters in Oblivion. Shit design doesn't become good just because it's from Nintendo.

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>>375959752

Good god BoTW is just as much as an empty wasteland as all the other open world games in the market. Nintendo raised the bar because muh fire mechanics? Gimme a break.

If this game didn't feature Zelda characters nobody would've cared.

>>375960238
BotW is actually very dense compared to other open world games.

Is Splatoon relevant?

>>375959752

arms isn't even out yet my negro

>>375960825
if the general public had any taste it would be

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>>375959752
Xenoblade, yes.

Xenoblade shits all over modern FF.

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I love melee and I play it competitively

>>375961019

>why can't society understand the depth my MLP cartoons?

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>>375961201
4v4 me in ranked faggot

>BotW
>raised the bar for open world
how exactly? I didn't see anything new in there. there are open world gamed that offer more.

>Splatoon
>new life to the shooting genre
it's fucking paint. a party game dominated by children under 8 years of age before the move to CoD.

>ARMS and Melee
fuck it took me this long to realize this is all bait. Pretty embarrassing. leaving /v/ for tonight now.

>>375960067
You never actually played it, did you anon?

>smash
>fighting game

>>375960389
No. It really isn't. It's much like Just Cause 2 where it has things close enough together, but almost all of those things are cheaply copy pasted or functionally the same mechanic over and over again.

The 2 breakable objects off a highway that contribute to total chaos in JC2 are the exact same kind of mechanic Korok Seeds are in Breath of the Wild, they're small, very similar mechanically, and they exist to fill the world, but getting all of them isn't something the game expects of 90% of players.

This isn't necessarily bad game design, both these games work wonderfully with this design, but BotW isn't particularly dense and even compared to games of a similar size world in a similar genre, it isn't exceptional in its density either.

>>375959752
>BOTW
Yes but taking a genre that fucking sucks and making a game that is good but not great out of it, while nice, isn't worth talking about
>Splatoon
Lots of good multiplayer shooters have been coming out in the past few years. Splatoon is good but it didn't breath new life into the most popular genre
>Smash
Nope, Smash is great and it created it's own community but it didn't take players from the FGC
>ARMS
>FE: Heroes
Still a mobile game with mobile skinner box shit
>Xenoblade
kys

>>375961341
>how exactly?
Not OP but I'd say the physics engine is far beyond any other out there in terms of accuracy and lack of bugs, it's also got a level of freedom unlike any other game except maybe Just Cause (although BotW is set in a significantly larger world). Finally, as far as I'm aware BotW has the largest hand-crafted world (i.e. without procedural elements) of any open-world game.
>dominated by children under 8 years of age before the move to CoD.
nigga CoD is already filled with kids, it wouldn't surprise me if Splatoon has more manchildren playing it than actual children - especially with how Nintendo now wants to market it to the competitive crowd (like in the Switch reveal trailer)

I agree that the point of ARMS and Melee is pretty retarded, though.

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>>375959752
at first i thought it was all bait but the more i thought about it, it was all true

>>375961101
Xenoblade shits all over every JRPG.

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>>375959752
Haven't played Persona 5 but let's be honest, Final Fantasy is hardly worth talking about anymore. Hope XC2 is great though.

>>375960238
>Good god BoTW is just as much as an empty wasteland as all the other open world game
Try playing games before shit talking.

>>375961567
repetition or not, it's still a dense overworld and I frankly can't think of anything they missed - it has everything including minidungeons, overworld puzzles, mazes, quests, a tonne of gathering materials, enemy camps, towns/villages, hidden treasure everywhere, etc.

>>375961803
>making a game that is good but not great
Why are you guys still in denial?

>>375960238
Play the game, anon. It's good.

>>375962493

I own a hacked Wii U, player BoTW is not a privilege for the few. The game failed to impress me precisely because I've played so many open worlds. Zelda doesnt work as a sandbox game so why would it matter that the engine allows for freedom? Secondly, it's just a collectaton of shrines and fetch quests with no real substance complete with the usual Zelda shitty combat with braindead AI, now made worse with weapons breaking after every fight.

>>375961414
Enjoy Sleep Fighters, faggot.

>>375962934
Play the game retard

>>375962934
not him but you really haven't played BotW, the "braindead AI" comment alone proves that - you can shit on the combat all you like but the AI in the game is excellent.

>>375962896

I don't really have a problem with the people thiking the game is good. I don't think it's a bad game myself.

My problem is the ongoing obsession of wanting to believe BoTW is more than that and it's somehow reinventing the open world genre. Why is it important to believe this?

>>375962934
>Zelda doesnt work as a sandbox game
t. has never played The legend of zelda

>>375961101
But only Xenoblade Chronicles. It's a miracle that the right character designer, writer etc. work ono the same game. XCX for example is a good game but has its problems and isn't nearly as good as XC.
Xenoblade 2 seems to be Tales of Tier which is a disaster. Atleast it will have good music.

>>375963329
Not him but those who have played BotW and other open world games noticed how much Nintendo has improved upon the entire genre.

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>>375959752
>Melee
Eat shit cancer

>>375959752
Aside from climbing BotW didn't do jack shit that hadn't been done before. Yes, it did some thing a bit better, but a lot of thing just as bad previous games in the genre. Hardly any kind of revelation when the best parts were still largely unrelated to being open world.

>>375963698
>BotW didn't do jack shit that hadn't been done before
Try playing the game

>>375963452
>Xenoblade 2 seems to be

You might genuinely be retarded if you judge an entire game on a starter outfit and two lines of dialogue.

>>375959752
>BoTW was the first Zelda open world game
not even close sempai

>>375963843
Try playing other games.

>>375959752
Top Shitpost

>>375963698
it did some aspects significantly better than other open world games, and it did it all in 1 game - I guarantee you won't be able to find any other single game out there with anywhere close to the same feature variety and polish as BotW. It may not be "GOTYAY perfect game!"-tier, but BotW is absolutely the best in the genre to date.

>>375963843

Are you being paid to post this crap or do you do it for free? Jesus.

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>>375964012
Do you get paid?

>>375963491
Nintendo only improved its open world game but not the entire genre.

>>375963884
Not only because of the trailer it's because of the people who work on the new Xenoblade. Go look it up and you will see that they worked for otaku bait tier games.

>>375959752

>managed to make a mobile game good

of all the shitposting in this image, this one is the one that make me the angriest, that shit has barely any content and has NOTHING on game like puzzle and dragons and granblue fantasy, fuck nintendo fanboy

>>375964378
What you mean the Expelled from Paradise character designer? It's a Monolith game made by Monolith.

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Instead of buying Nintendo products you can buy the Skyrim Remaster for the Switch. It doesn't matter if you already own the original Skyirm.

>>375963979
I admit the overall polish is very impressive, but if you don't already enjoy running around a needlessly huge and empty world collecting ingredients and doing the same little tasks over and over again, BotW isn't going to win you over either.

>>375964536
Yes the character designer for example. And at some point after XC the writers have left Monolith Soft. It really shows.

>>375963843
It's like BotW is your first sandbox, have you ever played any just cause, dragon age 2, fall out or the witcher?

Stop forcing that BotW re-invented the entire open world genre, it only re-invented the TLOZ franchise, period.

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>>375964345
>but not the entire genre

>>375964834
97*

>>375960238
It's one if the few open world games where the whole world is actually fun to explore

>>375964602
I'd hardly call it empty, it's surprisingly dense in fact - moreso than other games int the genre.

Do children still play nintendo games in large numbers?

>>375964761
Takahashi is still there, Hattori is still there, Takeda is a freelancer who never worked for Nintendo. You're just throwing a tantrum because you don't like the art style.

>>375964834
>Best Zelda game ever made
>Most impressive nintendo game
>Better than OoT
>The best Zelda game there's ever been

Like your picture with questionable reviews states, BotW reinvented TLoZ not the openworld genre, stop forcing this.

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>>375964789
>fall out

>>375959752
>Managed to make a good mobile game.
That's not Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Links.

>>375964952
Most civilised people don't talk about cum on face cucks

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>>375965180
>stop forcing this
Do you think I'm a critic or something. Everybody is saying it. It's only a few contrarians at 4chan who can't handle Zelda being this good even if Nintendo always creates the best games any given generation.

>>375965159
The art style is alright what bothers me is the crappy character designer who tended to otakus in his past. This alone can ruin much.
>Takahashi is still there, Hattori is still there, Takeda is a freelancer who never worked for Nintendo
Im sure there are more people than these guys who worked on xc and left later.

>>375961567
No Breath of the Wild's Open World is completely different than Just Causes 2 one. The latter is definetely not dense, rather it is pretty empty, the forests and other natural ambients are all similar and copy pasted and the cities are pretty generic. Every region in the world just feels empty and boring after sometime. Just Cause 2 was the worst vídeo game I've ever bought, I bought it expecting a similar experience to GTA but instead got a boring open world, with boring mission and nothing to do in the map.

The part where Zelda shines is definitely the exploration and the design of its map. Every region in the game was carefully made to make the player don't feel lost or bored because you'll be always finding something to do, even if it's a simple Korok, it's still rewarding. But Korok seeds are only a very small part of the world, finding the shrines, NPCs, quests, easter eggs, they simply thought about every single part of this world, I was really impressed by how well designed it really is. Comparing it to Just Cause 2 world is literal heresy.

>>375961365
You're right he didn't play it all

Dungeons in oblivion at least look different

>>375961880
>it's also got a level of freedom

Maybe it's just me but I don't conside a game to be the pinnacle of freedom if it won't even let me do basic stuff like create my own character, kill NPCs or branch out of the main storyline. Am I supposed to think that freedom means stacking boxes with a gravity gun and burning grass? Shit like crafting, fetch sidequests and survival mechanics have been overused even by fucking indie devs by now. This is what I mean when I think people impressed at BoTW must have skipped two generations of open world games.

>>375965762
jesus christ, you are an idiot

>>375965762
I meant freedom of exploration, i.e. "see that mountain? you can climb it!", only this time it's not a lie.

>>375965954

Why is this supposed to be impressive? Even GTA V gives you enourmous amounts of freedom of exploration.

>>375965358
>X is good because everyone is saying so.

I cant belive how dumb you are, so you are not a critic, you cant form your own opinions and let everyone else state when something is good or not.
Stay blind kid.

>>375964473
Yeah as someone who hates myself just enough to play several mobage, FEH is a complete fucking dumpster fire. The story completely lacks any substance, there is no fucking character building, the gameplay can't even be called Diet Fire Emblem with how gutted it is compared to the genuine article, and the art is all over the fucking place, but largely shit.

If I want a mobage with solid gameplay, I will play Granblue. If I want a mobage with an expansive story, I will play FGO. FEH gets outflanked by so many other mobile games that is ends up just being slightly above average to bad on every metric.

>>375966070
I didn't say it was "impressive", what the fuck are you even talking about? It's convenient more than anything, as you can easily traverse anywhere within the world without restriction and without needing to go find a jet or whatever; that alone makes it feel very different than other open world games.

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>>375965762
>it won't even let me do basic stuff like create my own character
It's not an RPG, retard
>>375966163
I'm older than you, guaranteed. Open world genre has sucked ever since GTA 3 and doesn't have any interesting games whatsoever. BotW blew every other open world game away and is easily #1

>>375965586
Jesus dude it's not like the artist is Kimishima's son and Takahashi is forced to tolerate him. Everything is designed in accordance with his vision.

>Im sure
You are literally just looking for stuff to get offended by. The script of Xenoblade was written by these people and they are still there. It's entirely possible that some of the grunts writing throwaway NPC dialogue left, but who gives a shit?

>>375966321
>It's not an RPG, retard

BoTW is the most RPG a Zelda game has ever been with all the crap about status bonuses from food and weapon degradation.

>>375966321
>BotW blew every other open world game away and is easily #1

By doing a giant ass world where there are few towns, no remarkable places to explore and climbing for the most part of the game.
You really have low standards.

>>375959752
shooting the ground isn't really breathing new life into the genre.

>>375965080
Dense with what though?

Copypasted shrines?
Copypasted korok seeds?
Copypasted bokoblin camps?
Copypasted Yiga clan attacks?
Copypasted cryo-the-water-to-get-the-chest challenges?

There's really very little unique and worthwhile things to find through exploring in terms of locations, characters, stories, events or quests.

For me a huge world like this is just a waste of time if you're not making a proper RPG.

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>>375966584
>You really have low standards.
I only play the best games, anon. It's a shame you have to be so butthurt over a game.

>>375966584
There are more towns in this game than any other Zelda game, it's not "few".

Pratically every place you find in the game that you find "remarkable" there is something to explore, be it a shrine, a korok seed, an NPC, a mini-boss, a tower etc.

>>375961803

>Not agreeing with OP's picture even though it's factual.

Why is this allowed?

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>>375959752
>people unironically like arms

this is it, this is the moment i lose touch with the children, didnt think it would happen until i was 30 but here we are

>>375966652

This is what gets me the most about the OP cocksuckery. If Splatoon was the next best thing every company would be copying it right now instead of copying the hero shooter genre.

>There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that will defend FE Heroes

Where did it go wrong

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>>375966974
>If Splatoon was the next best thing every company would be copying it right now
They could try but they would fail.

>>375966389
>Jesus dude it's not like the artist is Kimishima's son and Takahashi is forced to tolerate him. Everything is designed in accordance with his vision.
So he has to be a not bad designer when the director chose him. Man he just picked the wrong person for whatever reasons. No way it will work especially for the western market. I would even say this will be the last Xenoblade.

>>375961101

Except Xenoblade X. It just shit on its self.

Xenoblade is untouchable.

>>375966843
They haven't played it, but they are assuming they will like it.

Which isn't anymore silly than assuming you won't like it.

>>375967278
>ARMS only at 18

Is that good or bad?

>>375959752
GBF far exceeds FE:H as a mobile game

>>375966783
>Still using reviews because I'm not a critic and I dont have my own opinions.

>>375967278

So you take the fact that nobody is making Splatoon copies as evidence that it's influencing the shooter genre? Talk about confirmation bias.

>>375961201
>let me belittle an award winning tv show for no relevant reason

>>375959752
its insane how one company can do so much good and still get so much hate. It really shows you where peoples priorities lie

>>375967326
You're actually a fucking idiot.

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>>375967326
Lmao. You're a faggot.

>>375963329
Why is it important to convince everyone of the opposite?

>>375967334
By having by far the best open world ever created with an amazing OST (except city) and extremely improved Xenoblade gameplay?

>>375967536
There's hate because people don't want to hear negatives about the fucking games when they are in fact, not the second coming of christ

warcraft 3 is better than all of this fucking garbage

>>375960238
>BoTW is just as much as an empty wasteland

kek

naw. If botw is empty theres never been an open world with things to do it in

>>375960238
>Good god BoTW is just as much as an empty wasteland as all the other open world games in the market.

Name ONE game that contains as many overworld puzzles, unique riddles, shrine quests like Stranded on Eventide, The Stolen Heirloom, The Serpent's Jaw, etc., and dense environment design on par with the layout of Akkala, Lanayru, Hebra, Eldin, and Faron.

Just one. That's all you gotta do and I'll concede the whole argument.

>>375967436
Considering it's an entirely new IP, it's okay.

>>375967746
>not the second coming of christ

idk. BOTW is easily the closest gaming has come to something comparable of the resurrection of the lord

>>375967473
No, I'm saying companies have tried to copy Nintendo many times before and their clones sucked ass. See Mario Kart for example.

>>375967561
Or your view is so ridiculous that it doesn't matter. Consider sucking my dick when this game flops.

>>375967950
Are you just just trying to rile someone up?

>>375967913
Could've fooled me considering CTR and the Sonic racing games are better

>>375959752
it sure is a great bait material

>>375966728
I disagree, you have unique areas like the springs, the "military training camp" area, the towns, the divine beasts, the whole tarrey town quest (including all its related sub-quests), the yiga hideout, the mazes, eventide island, etc.. Could it do with more unique areas like those? Sure, but it does still have them. Also see >>375962691

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>BOTW
Has DLC. Automatically bad by default. Also, it's liked by game journos, so it can't be good by default.

>Splatoon
Console shooter. Cannot consider good.

>Smash Brothers
>Arms

Esports. Can't consider them good either. Also, a horrific lack of singleplayer.

>Fire Emblem
Waifu cinematic experience. I'll pass.

>xenoblade
10 hours of cutscenes and 90 hours of dialogue dumps. I don't think any amount of gameplay can justify that.

So overall, we have a bunch of mediocre games and movies with extremely high price tags. And this is the "magnum opus" of the industry?

>>375967913

Okay, so what does that have to do with the issue at hand though? How did Splatoon breath new life into the genre considering nobody is bothering to make shitty clones this time? It has never stopped them before, just look the unholy amount of crappy pet simulators and brain training games on the DS.

>>375967865
Not at all. It was way overhyped before release and now look. Hardly anyone is as excited about it as they were before. It's kinda just passed by in the wind. Definitely not a 'classic'.

>>375967865
Zelda is just a Dark Souls ripoff

>>375967950
Your dick has much more chance of flopping than this game.

>>375959752
I'm trying to figure out how BotW raised the bar when it just does a bunch of other stuff from other open world games. Do people seriously just say that just because it's Zelda?

>>375968178
>2 months of continuous threads with no sign of stopping
>y-yeah nobody cared it's already forgotten!

>>375959752
>dominated the fighting game genre and competitive scene
dominates*
fixed that for you OP
still don't know about ARMS though

>>375968262
because it has all that stuff in 1 game rather than them being features in separate games

>>375968059
>Replying to a reply which contains nothing but an insult
>I rile him up
?

>fire emblem heroes good

Nice Kool-aid image

And like any game thats not SF, MK, or Tekken Arms will die the fuck off and only get sales because muh nintendo

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>>375968171
Why would a game need clones to breathe new life into a genre? Splatoon is simply a better shooting game than the competition. The last shooting game I was excited about was fucking FEAR. It's just been shit for a long time.

>>375968262
name a game where lightning can strike you based on what you're wearing

>>375961880
>as far as I'm aware BotW has the largest hand-crafted world

Are you kidding? BoTW has entire areas with the same tree model copypasted over and over and nothing else.

>>375968328
So how does that raise the bar? It's not exactly innovative to just do the same stuff all in one game.

>>375960238
>hasn't played
>parroting blatanty wrong meme opinions
>anime poster
Really makes you think

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>>375959752
-Copy pasting popular tropes from other OW games, having an inverted difficulty curve, and slapping a Zelda brand on it isn't raising any bars.
TW3, NieR, Horizon, and GTAV are all better games.
Zelda was also better when it wasn't OW, too linear is bad, too open is also bad.

-Making a shooter for Pedophiles doesn't breathe new life into anything, in fact, it has the OPPOSITE effect.
nuDoom and Titanfall 2 deserve the praise for reinvigorating shooters.

-I like how you had to lump Melee in there for credibility, as Smash 4 and Brawl are shit. According to Sakurai, Smash isn't competitive, so no.
Blazblue and Guilty Gear are what are pushing the scene to higher levels. Also, the new Killer Instinct is dope as fuck. That said, I do like Smash Melee, and platform fighters have potential, but Melee itself is flawed.
Arms is shit btw.

-Plenty of good mobile games already existed before Nintendo's cash grab. You got duped.

-Sorry, but Final Fantasy, and ESPECIALLY Persona 5 shit all over Xenoblade. I liked the first, but the second was ass. Meanwhile Persona 5 pushed the JRPG to a new frontier.


I recommend you play all the games I just mention my poor deluded Nintendildo, they're all very FUN.

>>375968257
It's actually neat and way above average. Make sure to prepare your neat throat.

>>375959752
>Managed to make a mobile game good
You sure about that? Because all I see is a shitty mobile game with waifus #4215

>>375968507
>TW3, NieR, Horizon, and GTAV are all better games.

KEK

>>375968441
I'm talking about the terrain, it'd be insane to make every single tree unique.
>>375968454
it raises the bar because all of those features are in one complete package, it means other developers now have to step it up to deliver as complete an experience.

>>375968398

The fact that YOU are excited for a game is not testament to the influence it's making on the medium. Aren't you a smart person.

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>>375967380
its not a gameplay issue the characters just look so childish, fucking people with springs for arms in multi color clothing this may as well be an episode of cayu. I could understand splatoon, didnt like it, but understood it. But i cant under stand this

>>375968564
>he hasn't played them

Sorry BotW was your first experience with the genre. None of what it did is impressive for the rest of us.

>>375968578
>it'd be insane to make every single tree unique.

You don't need to do this to make a forest look organic. Just don't paste the same one model over and over like a first year 3D modeling student.

>>375968507
>BlazBlue, DOOM, Persona5, GTAV
lmao

>>375968594
I've already explained it to you, it's a superior shooting game to the competition and that's why it breathed life into the genre, just like BotW did. Me being excited for it has nothing to do with that.

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>>375968693
uh huh!

>>375968750

We are not discussing the game's quality you fucking retard. We are talking about its influence. No one cares about how you feel about Splatton, jesus

>>375968723
there's clearly more than 1 model, though. I mean shit you even have different tree types for different climates, and among those are model variations.

>>375968750

Is that so? Then where's the KBM compatibility? You're only allowed to consider a shooter good if it has the objectively best control scheme for the genre.

And no, "almost as good" means absolutely nothing. This isn't horseshoes. Anything below complete perfection is a waste.

>>375968578
>it'd be insane to make every single tree unique.
That's what procedural generation is for you dumb fuck. We've been using this technique since Daggerfall, don't worry, maybe Nintendo will figure that shit out by next decade, seeing as they JUST now hopped on the OW meme, a decade after it got old.

>>375961101
>Xenoblade shits all over modern FF.
But not Persona, I presume.

So is this a bait thread or should I actually bother to make a counter argument this retarded OP image?

>>375968889
>there's clearly more than 1 model

In the game yes, but I'm talking about entire areas where corners where cut.

>>375968914
If anything, Daggerfall proves that procedural generation in open world games is utter garbage, I'm glad they didn't use it in BotW.

>>375968749
Yeah, those are all FUN games.

Can someone convince me to like any of the above games? I only have three conditions that I want you to abide by, but I will happily ignore any other flaws in the games.

>I hate anime characters
>I hate story of any kind. Show me a single cutscene, and your game goes in the garbage
>I hate online multiplayer

I can look past alot of things, but I refuse to look past these grave issues.

>>375968990
post pics of said areas

>>375959752
Not really.

1. BotW is bretty gud game, 8/10 or even more. Still, mechanics isn't better to Dragon's Dogma.

2. Didn't play Splatoon so I cannot tell.
3. Melee didn't "dominate" fighting game genre. SSF2T was closest to dominating whole genre I think

4. I didn't play it. Still, I've played few good mobile games.
5. I didn't play it but Persona games get a lot of threads and Xenoblade has very few of them.

>>375968915
They're too different to shit on each other.

>>375968750
Titanfall 2 did more for the genre than Splatoon did.
>>375968994
>procedural generation for mundane shit like rocks and trees is bad
You're a dumb motherfucker, you know that?

>>375961101
modern FF is garbage tho. that is not dificult to achieve.
they do need to get a decent battle system instead of MMO-tier garbage tho

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>>375968895
Nobody cares what pcbros thinks.
>>375968875
I just explained it to you, anon. Why are you so dense? Quality obviously matters when a game breathes new life into a genre. We were stuck with browns, greys and boring shooting games for a long time and Splatoon isn't just different, it's superior. That's why it won all those awards.

>>375969185
I was just being facetious, to be honest for all I know BotW may be using procedural generation for most of its trees already - as, despite what that anon claimed, the trees are reasonably varied with differences in height/thickness/bark texture/etc.

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>>375969267

Oh, so we're going by awards now? Suddenly gaming journalists are infallible mentors of wisdom?

>>375961162
Thanks for posting :^)

>BotW
Nintendo bias tricked you into thinking a pretty average open world game is any better than the rest of them
>Splatoon
Mostly correct but the game is nowhere near as influence as the image would seem to imply
>Melee
haha no.
>ARMS
Has nothing to do with fighting games
>FE:H
Nintendo bias tricked you into thinking yet another shitting mobile cashgrab is better than any other
>Xenoblade
It's fine game but it's not outright better than those other series just because you like it more.

>>375969185
>Titanfall 2 did more for the genre than Splatoon did
In fact, T2 was one of the best multiplayer shooters in recent memory. Everything felt so... good? They nailed the feeling of being a nimble pilot, firing your gun while running across walls, and a heavy titan while lumbering across the battlefield leaving a trail of destruction. Simply a fantastic game.

>>375969343
to be fair, TLoU nailed the style of gameplay it was going for (moviegame), so I can understand why critics would rate it a 10 based on how perfectly it achieved its goal.

>>375969343
That's a movie, anon.

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>>375969482

>critics are morons who only like movie games
>but I'll still listen to them and consider them geniuses when they also like Splatoon

Really gets the gears grindin.

>>375968859
>>375968693
>silence of a Sonybro

>>375969565
critics are supposed to be impartial to any genre

>>375968639
I guress you just gotta play mature game for mature adults such as yourself anon.

Have fun, bye bye !

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>>375969607

Critics are (((supposed))) to be impartial.

>>375969457
It is, it's a massively underrated game that deserves much more love.

Not only that, but it brought back the single player campaign, and it did it better than anyone else ever has.

>>375969579
>If he doesnt like nintendo games hes a sonybro xDD
Fuck off.

>Breathed new life into competitive gaming and Shooters in general.

Nintenboys live in a bubble.

>>375969698
I mean, it varies by the critic. At the end of the day, though, it's just their opinion and their scoring systems are arbitrary for each game - sometimes they'll rate a game highly due to its visual flair, other times they'll rate it highly due to its mechanics, etc.

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>>375969579
Nah, you just have shit taste. Here's your (you) since you were thirsty enough to beg for it.

>>375969742
every person I know that hates nintendo games are also militant sony fanboys

>>375969579

According to this anon, being a sonybro is a bad thing, even though the Ps4 and games like Uncharted are super popular and receive critical praise, which is supposed to be a good thing since these same things are used to glorify games like Splatoon and BOTW.

Strange. When is listening to kotaku appropriate? because you seem pretty selective as to when their opinions matter.

>>375969851

>other times they'll rate it highly due to its mechanics, etc.
Look anon, if you like Nintendo games, that's perfectly fine. but don't feed me this pig slop that game journalists actually do their jobs. these people unironicaly gave Gone Home a myriad of 10/10 scores based solely on how "artistic" it was. They praised Undertale as a genre defining RPG that changed our perception of "white privilege" and etc. They unironically shilled for No Man's Sky, Battleborn, and every other hot button AAA game that paid out the ass for good reviews.

These people don't review games. They put out numbers for money. The sooner you realize that, the better.

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>>375969997
I hate Nintendo for screwing me with the WiiU, and the fanbase for being a bunch shit eating cultists.

>>375969742
>ironically using xDD when it's not necessary
>f-fuck off
Are all sonybros underage?
>>375969890
Other anon mate. Are you that deseperate to avoid the conversation?

>>375959752
>yes
>absolutely not
>yes for smash, arms looks like absolute gimmick garbage and the only reason you're hyped for it is that it's launch time and there's fuck all to play
>literally wat. FE Heroes is ust as bad as all other mobile games. It also ruined Lyn, Eliwood and Hector so it's actually worse than other mobile games since they don't take a huge dump on beloved characters from the early 2000s
>leave the "this is our only jrpg so i have to completely overstate it's quality"-kids to xenoblade

>>375970102
Like I said before, they rate the game based on what the game is setting out to achieve, not based on comparisons to unrelated genres. Most gave games like NMS and Battleborn terrible scores since those games have such glaring flaws, so I'm not sure why you're bringing them up.

>>375969997
And why do you think that the same logic of your small amount of friends applies in an international vietnamese cartoon website?

>>375970117
hi "who fell for the wii u scam?" daily thread anon, don't you have your own thread to tend to?

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>>375970117
>salty Wii U fags
Get over it, anon. Seriously.

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>>375959752
>managed to make mobile games good
>with a gatcha
Fuck no asshole, mobile games were saved by Squeenix with Chaos Rings and Mobius: FF

nintendo is so nice to their fans. They help them with the hard task of choosing which Jrpg to play by giving them only 1 option

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>>375959752
Xenoblade is literally fucking NOTHING like Persona, what are you smoking? Especially when SMTV is for the Switch and will probably be better than P5 and would've made better shitpost fuel.

>>375970235

>Like I said before, they rate the game based on what the game is setting out to achieve,
That's not their job. They're supposed to be rating them AS GAMES. If they're trying to be "artistic masterpieces" that doesn't excuse awful gameplay mechanics or software performance. I frankly don't care if the game I'm playing is a recreation of Citizen Kane, if it constantly drops to 10 FPS and only lasts 10 minutes, but I still have to pay 60 dollars, then it's a bad game.

Thus is the folley of this joke of an industry.

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>>375963884
>you must be retarded to judge an upcoming game by the trailer

>>375970309
>>375970319
>Switchfags suddenly pretending the WiiU was always shit cause they gotta rationalize their $400 gimmick tablet like the bunch of consumerist whores they are.

This is precisely why I can't stand other Nintendo fans, or as I like to call them, nuNintendo fans.

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>>375970534
>suddenly pretending the WiiU was always shit
>pretending

The nintenshill army is in full force.

>>375970452
Well it works to bait people. Atleast a handful of people while SMT ís more niche than indiegames.

>>375970534
t. wii u fag with stockholm syndrome who can't afford a switch

>>375970481
>They're supposed to be rating them AS GAMES
says who? they can rate them how they like, it's just their opinion. Most dock points if they experience poor performance anyway so I'm not sure what you're whining about exactly.

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>>375970384
Xenoblade, schlong in hand, pisses all over every JRPG on PS3/4 so it's not too big a deal for us anon.

Plus, there's also the upcoming new Shin Megami Tensei which is exclusive to Switch.

>>375970617
Wii U has its share of faults, but as a piracy machine it's top-tier so that makes up for it imo. I also feel it's library is underrated but I know /v/ will shit on me for that

>>375970191
Xenoblade would still be the best regardless of how many other JRPGs are on the system. Xeno is untouchable. Monolithsoft are JRPG legends. Takahashi is God.

>>375970727
>tales of xenoblade
I think this is the first time I'm actually mad about a videogame.

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>>375970691

>says who
Says me, the paying customer. They want me to click on their ads and give them views, they'll do right to actually do their damn jobs. Have we forgotten gamergate already?

>Most dock points if they experience poor performance anyway
>"hey EA, we noticed that your game constantly crashes and-hey that's a nice looking 100 dollar bill"
>a day later
>"perfect game with no bugs, buy several copies today"

>>375970821
Unironically this. Too bad FF and Personababies will never experience it because they only buy Sony consoles.

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>>375970876
Tales? That's an insult. Character art looks infinitely better than Tales.

>>375970821

But is Xenoblade a good GAME? I see people praise it here as a great cinematic experience, but nobody ever talks about the gameplay, which is nonexistent.

>>375970912
sounds like you just want every reviewer to have an identical opinion to you, well that ain't going to happen so you may as well ignore all reviewers ever since them having a different opinion triggers you so much. Just try games yourself, if you don't like them get a refund; if you don't have the money to try them in the first place then get a damn job.
Also, I can't think of many instances where a blatantly broken game got good reviews, even journos (as shitty as most of them are) manage to rightfully shit all over broken ames, such as the recent ME:A.

>>375971002
>Xenoblade
>No gameplay

What?

>>375963506
What's so bad at about Melee, anon?
Competitive melee is great.

>>375971002
The gameplay in XBX is genuinely fantastic and the class system offers tons of variety.
>inb4 not muh DMC action combat so it's bad

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>>375971113

>I can't think of many instances where a blatantly broken game got good reviews,
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not just fishing for (You)'s.

>>375960389
>>375962493
>>375962896
>>375964979
>>375967774
>>375967834
>>375968480
Kek. Nintenbros can't handle criticism for shit

>>375970997
This game will be probably destroy my hope for jrpgs but where did you get this image from?

>>375970940
Exactly. Majority of Xenoblade shitposters in this thread are Sonyfags and will bash everything Nintendo.

>>375971308
is this real?
That's embarrassing, but at least it was only 10 retarded critics so not a particularly good representation of the entire journalistic vidya industry.

>>375971286
stagnant scene that needs busted controllers to play a game incorrectly.

>>375970513
>a reveal trailer with all zero (0) seconds of gameplay footage other than walking

>>375971348
>make utterly baseless shitpost
>get responded to with genuine points
>WOW CAN"T HANDLE A LITTLE HEALTHY CRITIQUE?

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>>375971293
>>375971216

See, I can't take posts like these seriously. You claim that they both gave good gameplay, but look at the cinematic trash you have to wade through. Pic related.

>>375971348
>obvious hyperbole
>fair criticism
pick 1.

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>>375971362
It was extracted from the Monolith Soft website.

>>375959752
>ARMS Dominated and Innovated

>its not even out yet

no this isn't true.

>>375971528
fuck off ACfag

>>375971465

Boi, the amount of examples I have is almost sickening.

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/driv3r.htm

>>375971528
Oh god, you're one of *those* people.

>>375968927
Everyone else is doing it, why not?

>>375971702

Yes, I'm one of those weirdos who wants gameplay in their video games. Crazy, I know.

>>375971658
the Driv3r scandal is a legendary example and one of the reasons why journos try to be less biased these days since they got called out for it hard at the time.

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>>375959752
>"leave final fantasy and persona to me."
He typed into his rough .jpg before donning his trench coat, scooping up his katana umbrella, and tilting his fedora as he waddled towards the door.

Also no except for Zelda it did raise the bar but it's still open world and dull after an hour play session. Fun again when you come back for another hour though.

>>375971768
Xenoblade has gameplay. Fuck off with your cutscenes are bad bait. You sound fucking old.

>>375971528
Oh it's you, the fag who thinks that fucking Bayonetta is a cinematic experience. Should've let me known from the start so that I didn't bother replying.
>game takes at least 60 hours to beat on average
>has 8 hours total (including all of the large amount of OPTIONAL content) cutscenes that can all be skipped
>WOW WHERE'S THE GAMEPLAY?!?!?

>>375959752

Splatoon I agree with. Its so polished. Reload, Crouch and Run are all the same button

Zelda and xenoblade yes, others are bullshit

>>375971837
Stop responding to acfag retard

>>375971474
Wha... What the fuck?

>>375971528
I take it you're one of those ultra pro-gameplay Miyamoto fags.

The game has excellent gameplay and excellent cutscenes. Fuck off and go play your fucking 80's retro arcade games.

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>>375971798

>game journos are trying to be unbiased

>>375972196
he says right there why he rated it so highly. I completely disagree, I think it's a shit game, but I can understand why someone with that viewpoint would rate it highly.

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>>375971892
>>375971837
>>375972153

>game is supposedly amazing in the gameplay department
>but according to the fans, if you take out the story, it becomes horrible
>this is somehow NOT an indication that the game is actually bad and the story is nothing but a crutch

>>375972196
>Impeccable
>Fantastic
>Original
>Amazing
>Evocative

So forced.

>>375972314

>he says right there why he rated it so highly.
Notice how they don't say a single thing about the gameplay. Look, all story issues aside, you don't skip the gameplay in a VIDEO GAME. The point of the entire medium is to entice you to interact with the product personally, but Gone Home is an impeccable example of a """""""game""""""" (I can't put enough quotes around that term in this context) where you miss absolutely nothing by just watching a youtube video of it. Yet it runs for 20 dollars.

Please, do elaborate how a video game with no gameplay is somehow a good thing.

>>375972383
>according to fans if you take out the story the game becomes horrible
>both posts you originally responded to were fans saying the exact opposite
Out of all the autistic shitposters on this website (barneyfag, bloodborne-trophy-fag, etc) you are by far the dumbest.

>>375959752
>Zelda
Yes
>Splatoon
Yes
>Smash
Not quite
>ARMS
NO!
>Fire Emblem
No
>Xenoblade
Nope

>>375972534
I don't see anywhere that says he's necessarily reviewing a videogame.

>>375966974

Not that I even agree with OP but

>Breathing new life strictly has to mean that it inspires a bunch of copycats

You realize how much you're missing the point, right?

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>>375972534
We all know critics love shit movies like the last of us or gone home but who fucking cares if they give those movies a 10/10? It's not like it matters.

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>>375964979
>It's one if the few open world games where the whole world is actually fun to explore
>>375963979
>I guarantee you won't be able to find any other single game out there with anywhere close to the same feature variety and polish as BotW
>>375965594
>Every region in the game was carefully made to make the player don't feel lost or bored because you'll be always finding something to do

This whole time I thought it must be incredibly hard to please /v/ standards but apparently you all never wanted much in the first place. I guess if normies are easily impressed by moviegames I can't be mad that you all are easily impressed by open world games as long as they're big and you can set things on fire.

>>375972314
>>375972534
>>375972628
Even if you believe gameplay is not important in a game, Gone Home is still way fucking far from a 95. There are tons of story based games that do it 1000x better than Gone Home but don't get the praise because it isn't about some dyke.

>>375972383
They both go hand in hand. Take out either and the game wouldn't be as good. It's the whole package that makes the game god-tier.

>>375972541

So why not take out the story? If the gameplay is so good, why constantly interrupt it with non-videogamey segments?

>b-but the cutscenes are skippable
You know what isn't skippable? The money they spent on the cutscenes, which could've been put to use elsewhere to make the games better.

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I beat botw in about 35 hours and while I can't say I had a bad time, I don't think I ever truly had fun with it. I haven't touched it since march 11th

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>>375972736
Nintendo invented 90% of the precursor elements to most video games back in the 80's, before they got skewed around by others later and then corrected again by them after the fact.
Nintendo created the chicken, it laid the egg and then other people made some omelettes and the occasional quiche out of them. Nintendo then decided to examine and taste those omelettes for themselves, and then promptly went back to the farm and got their chicken to just fucking lay a cake instead.

>>375972732

>who fucking cares
I care when certain people use their reviews to glorify their games, like the constant posting about how Bloodborne was GOTY because of critical reception, or the shitposting when Witcher 3 won GOTY awards from EA and Activision?

the issue here is doublethink. People here only care about game journos when they can be used in their little petty console wars.

>>375972795

>Take out either and the game wouldn't be as good.
so it's a cinematic experience with gameplay that can't hold up on its own. Pray tell, what happens if I don't like the story and I just skip all the cutscenes? I guess I'm having a terrible experience.

>>375961276
looks like a game for pedos desu senpai

>>375972739
Gone Homo isn't a game, but he also didn't say he was reviewing it as a game.
>There are tons of story based games that do it 1000x better than Gone Home
that's entirely subjective tbqh

>>375972813
Because most people aren't genuine autists who believe everything NEEDS to conform to their rigid, personal specifications. Story is important to an RPG.

>>375972813
>A Xeno game without story

I want to puke.

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>>375968280

>dominates
>Was never even the most popular game at any EVO
>Doesn't even have any real relevance with the FGC as much as it does with the Smash community by itself, like Smash 4
>Dozens more players for other fighting games, veterans and new people, actually placing in those other games, whereas Melee is still infested and still works around its god worship
>More 2D fighting games being made and still selling/expanding modern relevance as result whereas Melee is just one particularly loud albeit big fanbase

I don't understand.

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>>375972963
So? TW3 sucked ass and BB wasn't even playable because of the frame rate. Shit games or shit movies or shit books are always popular no matter what Twilight was a huge success and so was 50 shades of gray. In the gaming world we have tlou instead. In the future god of war will probably win a lot of awards but what does it matter. It's not like it changes that great games are still being made.

>>375973140
You have to review it as a game on some level though. That's like giving a movie that is poorly written, poorly acted, unoriginal, and five minutes long a 9.5 and then saying "Well I wasn't reviewing it as a film, I was reviewing it as an experience"

>>375959752
>good mobile game
great bait its just porn

BOTW is great, Melee had its niche, the rest is shit. Especially Splatoon and Arms. Nintendogaf at it again.

>>375973240
I think the point is after Pokken (on a dead system) decimated SFV in sales people have realized fighters are on their final decline.

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>>375973141
>>375973215

>story being important in any game whatsoever

I'd hate to see you guys touch a game like Tetris or Pong.

>"wow where's the story? This is too videogamey, I need a waifu to tell me where to go and what to do, I am incapable of figuring that out on my own!"

The result of the MTV generation. Truly a pity.

>>375959752

To put it simply. No.

Fan head canon? Ya I'm sure all of that is true now wipe the drool from your pillow and wake up.

>>375973423
Your kind is a dying breed. It feels so satisfying knowing this.

>>375973265
if said hypothetical movie really did something unique, then sure I can see people rating said movie highly as its own thing - you have to remember that review scores aren't designed to be an accurate scale to compare to other games; rather, most journos review media independently for its own merits based on what said media is trying to achieve.

>>375959752
The first one is the only one that can potentially be true.

>>375973423
I don't know why I'm still responding to you considering I 100% know that you are an actual full-blown autistic mongoloid but I clearly said in my post that story is important in AN RPG. Obviously something like tetris and pong or super mario doesn't need a story you fucking twat.

>>375968915
It's hard to compare Persona to either Xenoblade or FF. Xenoblade and FF are more traditional JRPGs.

>>375972813
"The cinematography in this film is so good, what is the point in having a story?"
"The art direction in this game is so good, that they didn't need to have any characters!"

Do you realise how retarded you sound? Xeno games have always had grand epic stories. We live in the year 2017. Not all of us are still playing Balloon Trip in our mothers basement. Dickhead.

>>375973532
Yeah but Gone Home didn't do something unique. It did something countless other games have done and continue to do and it did it extremely poorly, the story is incredibly shallow and the game is very badly designed as a vessel to deliver said story.

>>375973406

That has nothing to do with Melee dominating the scene though.

Even then that's not even a real point in any way. Pokemon has one of the most absurdly dedicated and quantified fanbases, it's no surprise that a Pokemon fighting game sold more than a Street Fighter (which, mind you, has comparatively far less of a numbered+dedicated fanbase) that was rushed and hated.

There's more fighting games and more scenes than just Street Fighter. Comparing sales to Pokemon is just asinine Capcom logic of "wouldn't sell muh 5 million".

>>375973527

>your kind is a dying
Considering the runaway success of the Ps4, I'm not surprised. but if movie games with no gameplay are your thing, then knock yourself out.

>>375973603

>I clearly said in my post that story is important in AN RPG.
That's only because you've been raised in the cinematic generation. Everything to you needs high production values and billions spent on cgi graphics and voice actors.

>>375961101
Xenoblade shits all over every game ever.

>>375973702
I'd hardly call Xenoblade a traditional JRPG. Persona is honestly more traditional aside from the VN parts.

>>375973423
Is this you anon?
https://youtu.be/DjikLCPeUdo

>>375969091
The latest Persona game just came out, and it's better than 4 which most /v/irgins don't enjoy as much as 2 or 3. Xenoblade X had its fair share of threads when it came out. You should've seen XV-kun's 24/7 shitposting during that time.

>>375973792
This.

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>>375959752
>gachashit
>good
Only a nintenbro like yourself would believe that mobile "games" could ever be good.

>>375973707

>"The art direction in this game is so good, that they didn't need to have any characters!"

>"The cinematography in this film is so good, what is the point in having a story?"

Those are perfectly logical points though. Your video GAME should be able to survive solely on its gameplay. Infact, some of the best games out there are nothing more than ASC2 graphics on a black background.

>using Balloon Trip in a derogatory manner
wew

>>375973781
Fuck Fallout 1 and 2 and Planescape: Torment, what shitty cinematic experiences with their fucking gay writing and shit, reading is for faggots thanks MTV

>>375973712
I wouldn't know, I don't play those kinds of games...do you?

>>375960067
Neither of those things are how you describe them. All of the shrines are basic at best, but hardly any of them are similar. And almost no enemies show up in dungeons. Maybe play the game and form your opinion on that instead of being a contrarian for the sake of arguing.

>>375965684
Someone didn't play Oblivion.

>>375971286
Competitive Melee is completely dependent on physics exploits that weren't caught by the developers due to the game being rushed. Playing for fun without breaking the game is slow and clunky.

>>375974343
Melee is still the fastest Smash by far even on casual levels.

>>375973928
Hey,man. My mum's out tonight wanna finish that extra hard stage on space raider ultra master galaxy? I heard that if you shoot a certain pixel you can get a special coin! Neato!

>>375974016
Sometimes, especially if they are horror. There are plenty of story-focused games that are also actually good as games.

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>>375973190
>GOTYAY
Witnessed anon

>>375972903
How can someone be this far up his own ass
Have you ever heard of Akalabeth? Ultima? Do you even know the origins of open world games and rpgs?

>>375973937

Well, I don't like those games very much for the reasons you speak of, so I agree.

>>375974121
Actually there is more varied dungeon types in Oblivion than there are in BoTW, this is assuming you even consider the shrines as dungeons.

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>>375970997
thanks I was looking for this

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>>375964560
Huh, this guy is making a lot of sense...

>>375959752
>BOTW
Gothic 2 did it a decade ago
>Splatoon
Absolutely wrong. Game is deader than dead and completely forgotten.
>Melee
True, but completely unintentional. Nintendo/Sakurai still refuse to support it competitively.
>ARMS
Isn't this game not even released yet? How can it change or dominate anything?
>Mobile game
Who cares
>Xenoblade
JRPGs are shit.

>>375968152
What's the Ratatouille of vidya

>>375974452
No. Competitively Melee is super fast and tech oriented, but casually it's way slower than Smash 4.

>>375974670
Actually, Oblivion has even less assets shared between its identical looking dungeons.

>>375974935
this doesn't make any sense

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Does the Wii u have an eShop of sorts similar to freeshop on the 3ds?

I wanna use my Wii u for the first time in 3 years

>>375974935
Not even close.

t. Someone who plays Melee and PM casually and endured a short bit of Tr4sh for a friend

>>375974946
Interior Dungeons
Oblivion
>Ayleid Ruins
>Caves
>Mines
>Forts

BoTW
>Shrines
>Beasts
>Labyrinth... Kinda?
>Hyrule Castle

What do all of these have in common? Every single one looks almost exactly like the others of its type, with cookie cutter sections and such.

>>375974457

I'd love to join you, but I'm stuck watching an unskippable 5 hour cutscene where the blond anime kid is crying because something happened in the story, but I couldn't be asked to care.

>>375975235

What's the best place to download Wii u games?

I have wup installer setup for botw but all I have are those links to that game. Not sure where I can get others such as xcx.

Did the Wii u get any worth while jrpgs?

I have pikmin 3 w101 and dktf

>retards honestly think Xenoblade isnt a GOAT JRPG

I didn't believe FF and personadrones were real. FF hasn't been good since IX and persona is just a shittier SMT game. And guess what? The good SMT games are Nintendo exclusive.

>>375959752
>FE Heroes
>Managed to make a mobile game good.
Anon... there are other mobile games which have done better, in fact Heroes is so lacking in content that it's almost hardly worth keeping up on playing.

>>375975030
A lot of what makes Melee fast is exploits. Wavedashing, animation cancelling, the only reason it's as fast as it is is because people know how to make it that fast. If you take all of that away, playing it the way most people will, it becomes a really slow game.

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>>375959752
>raised the bar on open world games
It would have if it weren't for the FUCKING RAIN

>>375975327
They all looked the same. Which one is the yellow one? Ayleid? Even that, structurally speaking, looks exactly the same. The rock walls, the stairs, everything but the what's it called race specific yellow assets are exactly the same, so much that you couldn't even guide yourself by how rooms looked. I can't recall any other game to suffer from asset whoring that badly. An expansion like SI happening to a game like that was nothing short of a miracle.

>>375975456
Yes, read up on it. No.

>>375975652
I hope you realize wavedashing and l cancel fall into the realm of "casual" in melee

>>375976391
No. He's still wrong regardless.

>>375974837
>a game raised the bar for the genre ten years ago so it can never be raised again
Gothic 2 is shit Adventure for the Atari did it first.

>>375959752
BotW raised the bar on physics, AI and world design but I wouldn't say it innovated the genre as much as TES did, especially since its really an ES clone.

>>375976764
TES is so garbage that fans had to fix the game.

>>375975519

The problem is that it's not a good GAME.

>>375977074
Yeah, it's a great game.

>>375976764
End this meme, BoTW is nothing like TES at all besides being open world. It's much more like Dragon's Dogma than anything.

>>375975519
>The good SMT games are Nintendo exclusive
except Nocturne

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>>375977435

>it's a great GAME

>>375959752
Zelda felt more like a physics tech demo than anything and ARMS isn't even released yet. Others are alright.

>>375961365
>>375974059

Sorry, let me clarify: It's copy paste dungeons AND level scaled mobs with simple skin swaps, not copy paste dungeons WITH level scaled mobs. Do you feel better now?

>>375977550
>100 hours to beat
>10 hours of cutscenes
>waah it's not a game!!

Kill yourself Sonybro

>>375977806

>100 hours MAX
>not counting 90+ hours of dialogue that you have to wade through, in addition to the 10 hours of cinematics

Makes Uncharted look like Tetris desu.

All the negative posts in this thread basically boils down to
>I never played it so I hate it because I'm too stubborn to own a Nintendo product

>>375959920
what would you reccomend?

>>375978636

What about the legitimate criticisms?

>>375978950
Not playing mobile games

>>375978950
Chaos Rings if you're being serious. One of the best turn based JRPG series available and it's only on phone and vita.

Other than that Infinity Blade is also a pretty good game, though it does get pretty formulaic