Nier A tomato

>>375933202

But I did.
Are you a professional game-disliker?

>>375933707
Where do you think you are?

>>375933757

On the board where you don't need more than 4~ words to trigger people into replying to your thread about disliking things.
OP you shot yourself in the foot because none of the other contrarians bother to read that much text.

Just do it like the rest and go with
>game is only about ass

>>375933202
>this thread again

>>375933707
>Are you a professional game-disliker?
Nah, I played the game and thought it was mediocre at best.
It has some great dialogue and mindblowing music, but I really can't think of anything else I found great about it.

>>375933915
>stop talking about video games!
Oh sorry I should have just posted lewd art threads and muh wild ride yoko taro threads

>9S's campaign is 25 hours

Maybe if you're retarded. I have 30 hours combined for 2B and 9S's campaigns combined. The only way it could take 25 hours is if you didn't do any sidequests in 2Bs

>>375933202
Didn't care, story was good enough to keep me going all the way through the 5 main endings.

>b-but you hated TLoU

Yeah because it was a generic shitty Hollywood cliche story I couldn't care less about and I've heard a thousand times. Nier had me interested from the start. The West seems to have its head way too far up its own ass to produce anything original nowadays.

>>375934178
You play as 9S after Route B as well anon.
>The only way it could take 25 hours is if you didn't do any sidequests in 2Bs
Granted yeah, I did miss a bunch on the first go

>>375934054

Why would anyone want to "discuss" something with someone so extremely dug in into a position of dislike?
You took pretty much most of those points to an extreme to show off the game's flaws.

You are a shit person to talk to anon, just because you do it amongst other shit people doesn't mean you are entitled to the same attention.

>>375933202
I strongly disagree with you and I don't intend on changing the opinion.

Game is a fucking gem.

>>375934489

Btw I'm not staying even for the meta discussion, I find 9S' moveset baller as fuck especially for juggling or controlling groups, and I just got to route B in my third playthrough.

>>375934489
>Why would anyone want to "discuss" something with someone so extremely dug in into a position of dislike?
I do like some aspects of the game and think that the game does do a lot in the way of telling a story via gameplay and mechanics. I don't hate the game outright.
>You took pretty much most of those points to an extreme to show off the game's flaws.
Then why not prove me wrong instead of just saying I'm wrong?
>You are a shit person to talk to anon, just because you do it amongst other shit people doesn't mean you are entitled to the same attention.
Talking critically about games too hard for you or something?

>>375933202

>niear a tomato
>not "near a tomato"

My joke is superior. /v/ agrees don't you.

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>>375933202
Like I'm gonna read all that text
don't even know if you're bashing or praising the game

>>375933202
You're 100% right but you'll only get meme replies such as "(You)" and " le bait"

>>375935293
>this is nu-/v/
I bet you're the type of guy who thinks /v/ is shit now and then goes and complains about it.
I guess truly discussing video games is impossible after all, I thought it was just a meme

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>>375935109

>>375933202

Only children who were breastfed to grow upto have a 3-digit IQ can appreciate this game.

>>375933202
The game is unique and tried to explore some interesting themes. It pretty much accomplished what it set out to do. If you don't like the theme, or the gameplay, so be it. But at least I give it respect for trying something different. Good for Taro.

>>375935826
>hack and slash
>unique

This is your brain on Japan.

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>>375935594
Careful there

>>375935826
The themes it explores are existentialism and the rejection of nihilism but those are pretty basic concepts to begin with.
If he set out to explore a theme about finding meaning in meaninglessness, the least he could have done is made the game fun or replayable to play in the first place.

>>375934937
Because you've said this before in previous threads and people have tried to convince you otherwise. Also what's the fucking point into convincing someone to like something, in reality no one fucking cares about your opinion you self absorbed faggot. If you liked the game cool, if you didn't I don't fucking care, you're entitled to your opinion but I'm not going to bother argueing

>>375933202
Basically right.

The game's story is as shallow as the tier of light novel japanese tend to write off
anything happens, anything is not explained well
Well, its good there is no long cut scene as you see in any other JRPGs, but the story's development is nothing but a full of pretentious stuff

The only good things you must appreciate are animation and modeling work (its really good stuff to fap) and music. More than half of the game's value is music itself.

>>375936410
>Because you've said this before in previous threads and people have tried to convince you otherwise. Also what's the fucking point into convincing someone to like something
Where did I say I wanted convincing of the opinions contrary to mine? I'm not seeking for a way to like the game or something
>in reality no one fucking cares about your opinion you self absorbed faggot
I guess no one likes having open discussion and debates anymore either about video games because people like you are the majority of /v/ right now
Fuck me, talking about video games
> If you liked the game cool, if you didn't I don't fucking care, you're entitled to your opinion but I'm not going to bother argueing
So what you're saying here is that you're a complete child who can't comprehend others disliking something you liked no matter how they conducted themselves and no matter how well they argued for their points.
You're shoving carrots into your ears and pretending that the whole wide world doesn't exist.

>>375936410
>n-n-no, stop!
>d-dont criticize that g-game!!
This place is well and truly dead.

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Although I generally agree with OP I think its time we give it a rest.

People who like this game will keep playing and enjoy the DLC, meanwhile the rest of us can happily move on too.

>>375937495
I'm not very happy about moving on, I'm so extremely disappointed in it because I see a whole boatload of absolutely amazing opportunities and potential for this game to be better - but it just isn't, and it bugs the living hell out of me.

Also thats a huge fucking hamster, damn dude

>>375937978
I know, I felt the exact same way.

But the game has made its million and theres not much we can do, hopefully Taro does better next time.

>>375933202
the auto tracking on attacks.

Why bother making an action game that you can play without even looking at the screen (and just spam dodge and light/heavy attacks)?

>>375933202
>the story is also full of holes and inconsistencies that people gloss over all the time

Like what?

Just think how much additional sales porn with 2B has added

Really makes you think

>>375935913

not a hack and slash

>>375938083

not an action game

>>375938657
It isn't an RPG either so if you were going to say that, think again.
>>375938184
Most of the points made in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLvKHoSyMkw

>>375938820

its an ARPG, sorry the concept is beyond you and you can only recognize one part of what makes a whole.

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>>375938820
>expecting me to sit through 23 minutes
Nigga, name the holes or fuck off. You should be able to name a few that bug you the most so I can fill the holes if you missed any.

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>>375933202
>>375936702
This, the music and animations are the only exceptional parts of the package.

Story is interesting for a videogame, but completely derivative for anyone who's read books or watched movies regarding the topics at hand.

Combat is decent for an RPG, but horribly simplified for any fans of Platinum's work.

Pacing is fucked beyond belief, game (A-E btw, not just one run) is entirely too long when you look at what is actually being offered.

This kind of wraps back into combat, but the game is far too easy, and the only hard part on hard is the first part and some shmup parts. Very disappointing for a plat game.

Level design is bland and boring, very few structured levels and the open world sections aren't nearly as entertaining as the factory or the castle. This game should've been far more linear and actually played off Plat's strengths.

It's the most overrated Japanese release of the year, for sure. I got more enjoyment out of Yakuza, Nioh, P5, etc. I think this is just the effect of inexperienced readers getting floored by a story type they've never seen before. I still value the game as a complete package, and appreciate it's attempts to go outside the box, but these attempts are too few and far between to see this as anything close to a masterpiece.

>>375938820
>unironically linking to gamingsins

You're kidding right? You realize that the whole point of the channel is to nitpick to the extreme

>>375938820
You know those videos are not supposed to be taken seriously right? Same shit with the movie sins videos where very movie has 100000 sins

>>375933202
>the story is also full of holes and inconsistencies that people gloss over all the time
Can you give an example?

>>375939018
Forget it - Salt farmer here never bothered playing the game, just watched some shitty youtubers who never bothered digging in and gets his opinions from clickbait.

>>375939026
yep.

in relative to similar JRPG's and a lot of action games it's a 9/10. if you actually have the slightest bit of taste and are learned it's like a 6.5/10.

The games story isnt so much incosistent as it leaves out and diminishes important information.

Stuff like the Etype quest shouldve been part of the main story.

>>375939026
>story is derivative

That's bullshit though. The story is badshit insane and no book or movie is anywhere near it. Just because its scifi and has robots doesn't mean its derivative you numbskull.

As for difficulty, you can make the game as hard as you want by removing all your chips. You know difficulty levels are completely arbitrary right?

>>375933202
I agree that Route B was terribly handled, but whats the issues with feedback on enemies specifically?

>>375939553

Give me one movie or book story this game is derivative of,

>I have taste and am learned
kys

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Explain how Replicants and Shades aren't a ripoff of Nobodies and Shadows.

>The story is badshit insane and no book or movie is anywhere near it.
Jesus Christ

>>375939609
Derivative material can borrow from multiple works, you can create something somewhat unique by borrowing from a dozen different works and come off as relatively unique, but very few moments in Nier manage to be surprising because of this.

>>375939609
>The story is badshit insane and no book or movie is anywhere near it.

You seriously need to read more. Taro has a unique and brazen style but he's only "extreme" relative to vidya plots which tend to be safe as hell.

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>>375936868
Not him but man you're autistic. Like REALLY autistic. Or you're baiting.

What you've posted in the OP is completely your opinion, which is fine. But there's no point in arguing about opinions because ultimately nobody will "win" because you can just counter anyone's point by saying "lol no ur wrong". So I guess that guy (and I) don't want to bother arguing with you because there's literally no point when you can say "lol no" and generally act like a defensive cunt. It's just an unpleasant experience that nobody really wants to put up with.

>>375939575
>The games story isnt so much incosistent as it leaves out and diminishes important information.
Can you please say which? Because all the posts in this thread asking for you fuckers to elaborate, none of you have done so

>Stuff like the Etype quest shouldve been part of the main story.
Why? E types are explained in the main story, why does something like this need to be part of the main story?

>>375933202
>>the hacking minigame overrides heavy attacks completely
thats wrong tho. You can do heavy attacks with 9S by either holding R2 while attacking or by delaying your button presses
>enemy design is bland as fuck and hitting enemies doesn't have very good feedback at all
This is also wrong. Just like walking on terrain, every hit on an enemy has a distinct sound. Also the enemies react when hit, sparks/blood flies depending on the enemy, there are different rumbles depeding on the enemy hit and the weapon used, and weapons have weight to them.

>>375940123
Type Es are explained at the very moment where they should matter but it comes off as a largely irrelevant detail.

Then you got things like 2B and 9s true relationship which is left in the backdrop when its probably the most interesting things about them. The bulk is regulated to side material and weapon story implications.

>>375940123
>Why? E types are explained in the main story, why does something like this need to be part of the main story?

I found this an odd thing.
Amnesia is kind of "too on point", almost gives away the whole shtick - but if you don't play it, and miss some other minor stuff, the Type E reveal ends up a bit too forceful in the end.
A bit too much of the foreshadowing is left in sidequests you can miss, so the end reveal ends up quite subjective, for some it was plainly obvious, for others it came out of nowhere and not in the "woow big twist" but "what is she talking about" way.

>>375939018
Why are androids capable of feeling emotions?
Why are androids, especially the E-types, capable of feeling emotions?
How the fuck does birthing Adam and Eve even work?
Why does 9S succumb to the virus 2 WEEKS after the actual virus pulse on the attack happens? Why does it take the Yorha units mere seconds, the commander 10 or so minutes, but for 2B it takes well over an hour?
Why was project YORHA built to be destroyed anyway, since the goal is to give androids a reason to fight for, why destroy the bunker and thus make the next generation of androids more difficult to produce? Wouldn't it make more sense to just use the existing assets?
Why didn't the aliens just attack the moon directly, or the bunker at all - they came from SPACE.
If scanners have extremely good abilities to sense alien signals, why has it taken 6000+ years for the androids to realize that the aliens are hiding underground when no signal has been gotten in that time?
What the fuck does Emil even do in this game?
How does 2B and 9S survive any of the shit that happened during the sea boss fight?
Why does 2B have to go to the camp in order to get a scanner when she could have just asked the androids laying about where to find 9S? (to pad the runtime)
Why is the commander - and 2B - so worried about 9S and his body down on earth? He can't fucking die, none of them can die when the bunker is still up. They just get transported into new bodies.
Why does Eve die when 2B stabs him, unlike Adam he never disconnected himself from the machine network?
Why does 2B kill 9S via strangulation? Why do the androids breathe air? Why do they even have blood? They are expose to open space multiple times during the game after all
Why does 9S playtrough have random cutscenes about the bosses? He doesn't even comment on them
Why does the commander give away the truth to 9S when she was the one who assigned 2B to kill 9S whenever he got close to the truth?
And much more

>>375939102
>>375939103
And yet he still brings up multiple legitimate plot holes and inconsistencies

>>375939261
>y-y-you didn't play it!
Nierfags are the new Bloodbornefags
Now we just need to wait for GOTY awards so you insufferable faggots can become the new breed of Witcherfags

>>375940667
Not trying to defend Nier here, but i think you might be looking a bit too hard into this. There're fucking aliens

>>375940941
Half the shit hes asking about is explained in fucking side stories lol

>>375940878
Damn, did this game kill your family or something

>>375940047
>What you've posted in the OP is completely your opinion
Waving away legitimate criticism that actually explains the points by saying its just an opinion is a classic retort anon. I'm not claiming its pure god given fact, but holy fuck, do you really believe that the quests aren't filled with fetching and dull tasks? Do you really believe that the open world is well made and a joy to explore?

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>>375938820
>This new Daft Punk song really needs some work.

>>375940667
>Why are androids capable of feeling emotions?
Emotion simulation

The question you should ask: for what purpose they are designed to feel emotions?

>>375941071
I'm still not seeing any arguments anon.

>>375941346
I'm not trying to make any, it's just funny to see how mad some people can be at a game or some fans of it

>>375940667

Nobody has the time for you.
>because they are sentient through beepy's intervention
>same as above, not up to choice
>doesn't need a specific explanation, the machines formed a "factory" and created a new type of machine, reminder that they are "bio-machines" in japanese
>Yorha is destroyed so it doesn't ever win - and thus foil its own purpose
>When the aliens came there was no moonbase or they simply didn't know about it
>play the game and find out?
>same as above?
>why would they know?
>Not always, dying still can mean heavy memory loss as the enemy jams uploading in most fights, ie - the save system
>kind of a valid point - though the body can still be killed, it just means his person is still retained in the system as data though
>they are made to emulate humans, even if not air there may still be vital stuff being sent through their neck, which can be cut off
>taro's strange ways
>she had enough of it herself, stageplay already shows her questioning things


At some point you have to realize Taro's writing rides a LOT on vagueness and open-to-interpretation story elements, Automata more than others. The pod tells you in the end, some questions don't need answers.

>>375941919
Considering all the lorefagging Taro does I dont think he relies that much on vagueness, he just has a hard time balancing story and worldbuilding. Thats why Grimoire Nier even exists.

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>>375933202
>>the open world is empty, bland and boring - only serves to pad out the runtime because you're often just running to the other end of the map

Welp case closed he doesnt know theres fast travel aka he never played the game

>>375940667
Majority of those are easily answered by playing the fucking game or just simple logic, nice fucking "points".

Also not all questions need to be answered, calling unanswered questions "plotholes" show you have no idea about storytelling. Just look at the Souls series which barely explain anything, yet are praised for their interesting story. A lot of questions are better off left unanswered.

>>375942110

With Automata, he outright admits that he tried to keep it open to interpretation. He simply doesn't care about the details, they don't matter that much in the games, because he is more about the themes/messages/characters in the games. And he loves to leave stuff ambiguous in other media and meta-lore.

The very reason his stories are so good for theorycrafting because he leaves a shitton unexplained.

>>375940667
Why does A2 not get infected by 2B when shes infected? She dragged herself all the way there just so she wouldn't infect any nearby androids
Why does the virus immolate 2Bs insides and cause complete system meltdown, but for the other units it just turns them hostile?
Why doesn't 2Bs pod tell 9Ss pod that 2B was infected? 9S has no real reason to hate A2 and just goes on an autistic rampage because of no reason at all.
Why doesn't the game explain Devola and Popola at all? If by the directors own words the game can be played perfectly fine without the original Nier, why does it leave so much information out to the newcomers? Was Taro just having a laugh at the expense of everyones wallets?
How did Dev and Pop know to rescue 9S? How did they even do it?
Why doesn't Pascal just fly away when getting attacked?
Why does Pascal take the children into an abandoned factory that was earlier the site of a mass suicide of robots?
Why does the machine network attack the factory with 20 gazillion tanks and aircraft? Its just kids.
If the virus inside 9S deleted his memories, why doesn't he forget all about A2 and 2Bs relation to her?
The pods discuss taking action about 9S mental state, but never do anything about it even if they know exactly how to explain and stop him from continuing on revenge.
The voice in the machine network is just an exposition dump at the last 10 minutes of the game, its lazy writing at best.
The way 9S and A2s conflict ends is just lazy writing at best.

>>375942134
>Welp case closed he doesnt know theres fast travel aka he never played the game
>fast travel
Which is unlocked 40% or so in to the story and completely ruins any point or reason the game had for being open world.
So great, you just pointed out another flaw.

Its like the game realized its mistake when it went open world and just decided to give everyone fast travel so they could skip the boring bullshit between the slightly interesting parts.

>>375942629
Personally I dont care much for theorycrafting, and I think he wouldve done better in not keeping Automata so tied to outside materials. Like you say the message is more important, but it gets distascted by all this lorestuff he allegedly dosent care about.

This is why I think Drakengard is one of his better stories, it dosent waste time.

>>375940667
There is a massive infatuation with humanity. Androids are built after their human masters, this is said throughout the game. Machines are too, sort of. They're an evolutionary weapon that found remnants of humanity, probably replicants, and emulated their societies. Since Androids are built after humans, this is why they breathe and bleed the way humans would.

The virus attacks are slowed on the protags for plot armor reasons - 9S is a scanner and it seems like he can remove it, only succumbing to it by the end of the game. 2B is an E unit, designed to kill such infected androids to begin with. It would make sense that she's more resistant to it than actual B units.

The aliens probably didn't attack the moon/bunker probably because they weren't there yet. From what we understand Emil protected earth, Yorha came later. For not knowing where the aliens are? There's a multitude of things you could guess at as to why - basically summed up as "they're aliens". It's not super important.

Yorha is propaganda. They exist to inspire, their survival isn't important in the grander scheme of the war. By dying, they preserve humanity's extinction as a secret and act as martyrs for continuing the war.

An android needs to upload their memory. If they don't do this, they're basically losing their current consciousness. It's also implied that this doesn't actually happen, however. 9S seems to understand 2B has killed him multiple times by the end.

The route B cutscenes are a throwback to 1, they give perspective to who and what the machines actually are. The machines are emulating humanity.

Emil is an extremely important character - he bridges the gap between the two games. If you haven't played the first, this is probably why you're so confused here. His dialogue in ending Y and understanding what he actually did to stop the aliens, and just how far he's come and why he survived the events of Nier 1, it's all very important to understanding his purpose.

>>375933202
Let's jump to something I haven't seen people talking about: low-quality environment art. I'm guessing this is due to a lacking budget and/or manpower/time/outsourcing bandwidth, but buildings, props, and individual components (facades, windows, etc.) are reused all over each biome, particularly the city ruins, and the same assets are even used repeadly next to each other. Combined with the amount of invisible walls, this makes for a rather poorly crafted environment as a stark contrast to the polished animations and music. It's like their focus was way off from the beginning.

>>375942849
You just proved again that you didnt complete the game, you get fast travel 10% into the game after the second boss in the open world.

>>375943519
Hes right in by that time you get fast travel you've already explored all the major areas, making it feel kinda redundant.

>>375942859

I don't think it detracts from it, more like his work can be appreciated in more than one way - in fact now with Automata it can be actually appreciated even in gameplay, instead of just its messages/themes, or characters/feels, or the meta-lore of the two series.
Drakengard also makes very little sense in return.

>>375933202
this pretty sums up my thoughts on the game as well. 2B's ass is fucking delicious but fuck this bland gimmicky game

>make game
>make game to convey a message and meaning to players
>make the message "find meaning in meaninglessness"
>make the game inadvertently completely pointless and meaninglessness as a result
>make the characters bare bones as fuck
>make the world not even worth caring about
>make the whole conflict a waste of time and effort
>make the whole entire story a complete waste of time just so you can convey a message
>get praised for it

I really wish I could have enjoyed the way this game used the medium but I can't ignore the actual content you do to get there. I want to replay it so bad and I want to like it so bad but I just can't. I get 20 minutes into a new playtrough and all the filler, all the padding, all the pointlessness rushes back to me and completely kills any motivation to continue.

At least the music is amazing I guess.

>>375943303
Theres practically no point for the game to have a lot of things.

Why is the game open world?
Why does the game have a leveling system?
Why does the game pad out its runtime with blatant fetch quests when you have a writer like Taro behind you?

Some of the letters in the new DLC description on Steam are upper case. Does it mean anything?

>>375940667
Why not? They are built after their human creators

Again, why not? It's not like they are constantly in Type-E mode.

Same way Popola and Devola fix you with handwaving in Route C.
Magic

9S was never infected until he put on 2B's hand in the Tower. The reason why he wasn't infected was because he killed his connection with the Bunker. 2B only got infected during the descent when she fought the others

Why don't you just play the game instead of asking these questions? The game bombards you with information regarding this.

>Why didn't the aliens just attack the moon directly, or the bunker at all - they came from SPACE.
How about you play the game

>What the fuck does Emil even do in this game?
He's integral to the Alien and Machine Network formation. There's a Drama CD I think where he even fights the Aliens alone.

Where did you even take this from

Elaborate?

>>375944050

Why would those Androids know where the fuck 9S was when they can barely speak and are on the brink of dying. How would they even know where he is?

Legitimate point

Neither Adam nor Eve died, this becomes clear if you reached Ending D

Probably anime trope, also it makes it kinda more of a "romantic" approach considering she beheaded him every time in previous scenarios.

They prolly don't, 9S didn't die from suffocating bot probably more for having his cables or whatever get fucked up.

Not real blood, it's more like hydraulic water. Though there's the point where blood appears and doesn't in some instances (like 9S losing his limbs at the beginning, he doesn't even bleed at all while later in the game he actually does)

Left pretty vague but if you follow the sidematerial it makes sense it's the memories of his previous incarnation. Maybe even #9's


Because she most likely grew tired of the game. Commander isn't the Queen Bitch of YoRHa and probably like the YoRHa Betrayers reached a point where she didn't want to continue. She also didn't whack him when Pod 153 ratted him out when he hacked the Bunkers.

Part deux

>>375943656
I can write an essay on the gameplays flaws in Automata as easily as I can with Drakengard so I dunno about that. Everything else sure, but I think the meta lore is honestly overrated. If the games stories are barely doing their jobs then theres not much reason to care for it, speaking particularly of Automata and DoD3.

And from another angle, he might be better off just doing VNs if hes going to leave all the interesting stuff in side material.

>>375933202
The only reason it isn't the most overated japanese release of the year is because Nioh exists.

I still had fun with both.

>>375933202
>here's why this pretty good, at least decent, game sucks
>/v/

The game is kind of a slog at times, but overall it's something fresh and different. With all the shit these days this should be an example to other Devs how to be creative.

Really it's a success if you get people to talk about it.

>>375945025
Fresh and different?

Its an open world game that has no reason to be open world, with one of the most shallow platinum combat systems slapped on for good measure.

The only thing different and fresh about it is the story which in itself is barely worth caring about because of how poorly it actually tells it. Theres no reason to care about the characters, their struggle or their world in the first place.

>>375942638
Infections don't just skip over right away like some instant download. 9S himself never got infected right away despite being around infected Androids for some time.

Have you not noticed the way the other Androids talk and behave? Their entire inner system is fucked which is why they talk like someone deranged mixing up everything they say.

That's one of the few legitimate flaws of Route C since it could have been all avoided. But then again I wouldn't be suprised if Taro threw that in and explained it in some sidematerial (like Pod 153 intentionally not telling him so he gets killed by A2)

The game explains enough what Devola and Popola are and even tells you that other twins (the one from Nier) fucked up Project Gestalt

Because he kept clinging to those memories, Route C leading to Route D has him getting 100% infected and dying for the sole reason he wanted to keep on holding onto those memories with all his power.

See above where you asked a similar question

I have the first Nier but can't be bothered to even start it
Should I really beat it before playing this?

>>375946216
Imo you should, but you probably won't anyway

>>375933202
>Open world
>empty
>bland
>boring
Wow, you don't say? Same goes for Witcher 3, BoTW, Skyrim and all other open world games.

>>375933202
Because it's pointless fanservice and it was made for 13 year olds fap

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>>375934654

>>375946584
>its shit in every game like it
>that makes it okay and totes not worth complaining about!

>>the open world is empty, bland and boring - only serves to pad

It literally rivals BotW and Witcher 3 in content alone.

>>375948016
No it only counts for Nier!!

>>375948016
Fucking lmao, not even close
Nier has like 60 sidequests, Witcher 3 alone has 350+, with actual dialogue and decision making

>>375948205
>collect x
>kill x
>collect x AND y
>kill x AND y
Wow the witcher 3 is the greatest fucking game ever!!!!!!!!!

>>375948358
Don't forget to follow the red footsteps.

>>375948358
>>375948630
I didn't say W3 was good, I said it had more content by a wide mile
>Don't forget to follow the red footsteps.
You have no place pretending that Nier does its quest any fucking better.
At least the witcher had some actual fucking dialogue and voice acting.

>>375944145
>not much reason to care for it

Its interesting.
Thats all the reason one really needs for any of it, and its fun to play through it, which is all the reason you need to play a game.
Maybe realtive to their time periods you can compare the combat of the two games, but not without that, Drakengards is an unapologetic, annoying slog bar dragon segments, while Automata is just too easy/mashy at its worst.

>>375948923
Jesus dude. Why are you so mad about this?

>>375936007
>>375935594
silly tomatoobs!

>>375949669
>make retarded claim
>get slapped for being retarded
>dude xD why so mad lmao
Still not seeing any actual arguments.

>>375933202
>Game becomes popular and sells well
>/v/ starts hating it after weeks of threads that were 99% positive

Like clockwork.

>>375948016

Don't know about BotW but that is just stupid compared to TW3.
I love both games and I have over 340 hours in TW3, and around 80 in Automata, and that also about the ratio of their content I think.
I find the two games alike though, both of them have mediocre combat that I enjoy to an extent, sidequests which are mechanically boring as shit but interesting to witness, and they both have a pair of white-haired attractive guy and gal as the main protags.

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I just updated the timeline from the strategy guide
so for those interested in the lore check it out.

>>375949906

Every fucking time.

>>375949896
Probably because i'm not one of those people you were responding to.

>>375950078
Then why do you even care?
How did you even think I was le mad, I was just responding to those posts with cold facts

>>375949906
I played the game a week ago.
I know its mindblowing to your 5 year old brain, but some people have differing opinions to your own.

>>375949906

>mainstream game is good
>mainstream fans overreact
>/v/ has to hate everything normalfags overreact to, because their overreaction is unwarranted and mostly just based on sheepish herd behavior and wanting attention

It'll keep on happening. The problem is that /v/ has become a mainstream normalfag central over the past few years so its practically cannibalizing itself, in an ouroboros manner.
And since any cult hit either dies off or garners mainstream attention to keep itself alive and produce new titles, eventually one of these will happen to anything good.

>>375950353
Really, they do? Thanks for telling me.
Strange that you get defensive and insulting for no reason. I wasn´t talking about anyone particular, just something I saw happening over the last 2 weeks.

>>375950681
>>/v/ has to hate everything normalfags overreact to
Providing any criticism or startup to discussion is now pure hate.

Its not even the people who blatantly shitpost all day who ruin this place, its people like you who think that any and all criticism is pure hatred and that peoples opinions are purely black and white.
Every single thread where critical discussion about games and their flaws is happening, at least a couple of you brainless idiots bursts in and says "you """"HATE"""" it because its popularrrr!"

I'm glad this game sold well and there's a lot discussion and criticism about its themes, I really enjoyed it.

>>375950913
>I wasn´t talking about anyone particular, just something I saw happening over the last 2 weeks.
Which is why you responded to the OP and didn't even attempt to broaden your "point." Yeah

>>375951286
Same here. It got me to start playing Nier even though the plot was essentially spoiled for me.

>>375951128

And people who ignore that the opposite of that is true too - brainless idiots bursting in to say that they LOVE IT OH ITS A MASTERPIECE GOTY GOTY GOTY.

Again, its an overreaction to an overreaction to an overreaction and on and on and on, thats the very point. The initial one - that the game is good is true, because thats what brings in the initial attention.
Reasonable discussion happens all the time, its just a much smaller part of both the threads, and overall of the board.

OP might have put more effort into this one but its still an extremely biased tryhard 'hate' opinion - most of these threads of the "hate overreaction" type just pick one of those points and thats plenty to get the ball rolling.

>>375951335
Yeah, so sorry for quoting your OP man, I was really looking to anger you with that. Seems to have worked.

>>375949964
So does that mean that Ending D is canon?

>An android wearing black clothes is sighted
As well as Ending E

>>375951430
>OP might have put more effort into this one but its still an extremely biased tryhard 'hate' opinion - most of these threads of the "hate overreaction" type just pick one of those points and thats plenty to get the ball rolling.
I didn't mention the things I enjoyed about the game in the OP because they're so obvious and don't need repeating. I much rather would like to focus on things the game did poorly in my opinion and possibly talk about how they could have been done better.
I guess you do have to say something positive or this shit happens.

>>375951963
Why do you keep making the same threads?

>>375933202
>its a "/v/ desperately tries to come up with (mostly false and/or generic blanket) reasons to disregard a game critically acclaimed as masterpiece
Never gets old.

What an absolute trainwreck of a thread, good job OP.

>>375952038
I've made this thread twice, this is the second time.
I guess wanting to discuss video games and their flaws is too much to ask of a board dedicated to video games.
Why aren't you asking the same question in the 10 billion threads completely unrelated to video games in general?
>>375952106
Not seeing an actual argument here anon.

>>375933707
I played the game through to Ending E and OP's was right about just about everything he said, tomatofags can't criticism, at all.

>>375952210
I know. I bet the same people who are waving away any points I brought up are the ones complaining about the state of this board and why we never actually talk about video games critically any more.

I guess I should just give up and post poorly cropped porn and pure shitposting threads.

>>375934489
>Why would anyone want to "discuss" something with someone so extremely dug in into a position of dislike?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

WHERE

DO

YOU

THINK

YOU

IS

?

HAHAAAAAAAAAA

>>375949964
> Birth of Nobility
Does that mean Monarchy was the most successful system they tried.

Did you get butthurt on nier:a then post one of these threads again?

>>375953054
>Did you get butthurt on nier:a then post one of these threads again?
What?

>>375949906
Yea, because it's just impossible to think that after everyone has spent time with the game that the flaws would come to light. No, of course not, Nier Automata is a perfect flawless masterpiece, the asteroids successor we deserve.

>>375952603
Dont forget to say something nice about her(!)

the exclamation point is crucial

guys why is eve a guy

eve could have been a qt girl

>>375954159
>tfw it turned out my husbandos survived on the arc
Never lose hope for a good ending fampais

>>375951963
>they're so obvious and don't need repeating.

So are the issues - which you've blown waaay out of proportion just so your "point" hits harder. Your post is basically the insufferable nitpicking opinion of a jaded nerd, nobody gives a shit what else you also think when you go out of your way to take this opinion to the extreme.
You wanted a rise out of people, you don't have to admit it to me but it was your intention when writing those bullshit opinions.

Also its also from a viewpoint of a total faggot who started gaming in 2010 and played Automata like its some AAA title, which hardly helps you "spark discussion", but that was not the aim there no matter what you say. Now you are hurt because instead of a shitflinging thread you wanted, people just called you out on your inane thread.

>>375954438
>adam cuts himself off the machine network
>get absolute fucked by 2B
>LOL NO I LIVE LMAO at the end

The fuck was that
Eve didn't disconnect from the network so i guess that makes a bit more sense

>>375954667
I didn't blow them out of proportion at all though, the fuck?
I didn't even say that the combat was horrible or something, just that it doesn't carry the game for 30+ hours.
>You wanted a rise out of people, you don't have to admit it to me but it was your intention when writing those bullshit opinions.
Sounds like a huge victim complex you got anon.
>Also its also from a viewpoint of a total faggot who started gaming in 2010 and played Automata like its some AAA title
And now you're projecting a little bit too hard.
And what do you mean "played like its some AAA title"?
Nier automata is more mediocre than the last 5 AAA games I played.

>>375954679

I think taro answered that in the Q&A strategy guide thing, but I don't have the link anymore.

>>375955201

I'm sorry if you lack that much self-awareness, but I'm going back to my initial point - you are not a person, or you successfully keep giving the impression of a person, who is not worth talking to.
Take that as you will.

>>375955303
>Update
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F7KM18848_HHlQFviGCkJbXV1M-5SKm_HnVBTzzYlDg/mobilebasic

>Q27. Why did Adam talk to 9S in the end, even though Adam was destroyed?
>Due to 9S’s repeated hacking and him fusing with the machine network at one point, traces of Adam were intermingled with 9S’s own memories and took such a form.

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How did they let an overworld this bad pass?

>>375955459

>in ending D it contains the data of machine lifeforms including Adam and the red girls.

So its 9S' own memories taking the form of Adam, or Adam? Or both?
Fuck you Taro.

>>375955649
I love it, loops back nicely from every area like Dark Souls 1

>>375955649
because its literally ok when japan does it

>>375955403
Well if you think that, why did you even respond in the first place?

If you can't criticize or talk about the flaws of something you enjoyed, you might as well be a blind fanboy who waves away any criticism with blanket statements and obtuse shit like "you're not worthy of discussion"

Like I said, I bet you're the type of guy who complains about the state of /v/ and then is completely unable to actually talk about video games and think about them critically.

Hell, do you want to rip into my favorite game of all time and cherry pick it all you want? Go ahead since I'll do the same - It has flaws like all others.

But somehow, talking about those flaws openly in the case of Nier is the equivalent of having murdered an orphan home and burned down a hospital in the eyes of you fanboys.

>>375955649

Its pretty small but I see no problems with it except how unused some of it were and how the Amusement park was so god damn tiny.

>>375933202
>the story is also full of holes and inconsistencies that people gloss over all the time
Such as?

>>375955949
>Hell, do you want to rip into my favorite game of all time and cherry pick it all you want? Go ahead since I'll do the same - It has flaws like all others.

Maybe you think thats enjoyable discussion (based on the OP you clearly do) but I don't. I responded to maybe spark some self-awareness in you so you realize what you are doing, which you are clearly unwilling to.

I can see why people who start discussions with the complete certainty of being right and the complete unwillingness to even rethink their opinion would want to "discuss" things like above, thats 90% of /v/ posts including yours, no matter how holier than thou you want to act about it.

>>375954679
Just like the pods have backups of 2b, 9s, and a2 in ending e, N2 has backups for adam and eve.

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>>375955459

>Q22. Do Emils (including replicas) other than the one that 2B & co encountered exist in the world?
Yes.

Taro confirms without batting an eye that Emil is most certainly still out there, suffering, just like he did for the past 11500 years. Its like the only certain thing in the world of Nier.

>>375956527
But that was already obvious from the weapon story which happens 500 years from Nier: Automata

>>375956267
>Maybe you think thats enjoyable discussion (based on the OP you clearly do) but I don't.
Maybe if you read the rest of the post you'd realize that criticizing things you like is normal and completely fine. I guess its too hard for you though.
>I can see why people who start discussions with the complete certainty of being right and the complete unwillingness to even rethink their opinion would want to "discuss" things like above
Maybe I'd actually consider changing and thinking about my opinions if you actually educated me on them instead of blankly calling them "exaggerated" or flat out wrong.
>no matter how holier than thou you want to act about it.
Says the pretentious prick who didn't even want to talk about anything because I was "not worth responding to."

Like, how would you like to start critical discussion about this game without mentioning its critical flaws first?
What, are you just saying that I started the thread by being too harsh, is that it? That I should've slapped in some pseudo friendly banter about the things I enjoyed in the game and that its just friendly opinions and discussion in caramel land :)))) ?

No, I don't think its that.
What I think is that you're one of the zealous fanboys of this game who are completely incapable of seeing flaws and design problems where they exist - and you think that anyone criticizing it and providing any kind of negative opinion automatically hates it and is just purely shitposting.

I'll be sure to conduct myself in a much more friendly manner from now on since your feefees obviously got demolished or something like that.

>>375943175
Actually 9s only got the virus when he attached 2B's arm to himself.

Basically the virus only goes through if you're on the network.

>>375957409

I am a fanboy that I admit, a massive Taro fanboy, and as such its literally beyond my ability to disregard the issues of his games, as they are all ranging from flawed to indefensibly terrible games.
It wouldn't even feel like a Taro game without some glaring flaw, or being able to notice cuts due to running out of budget.

But we are running in circles, which must be a common occurence in your life you probably don't feel as bad about as I do. You can keep attacking me on "why won't you engage me" but its because of this hostile assclownish manner of a person who most definitely could not, or did not want to control his expectations when playing this game, and thinks he has to be especially hostile about his criticism to drive home a point.
Again, that just makes you a person nobody likes to discuss things with, discussion may be a conflict but its not necessarily hostile.

Conduct yourself in a civilized manner if you want discussion, if you can't see the hostility and extremity in your opening post I can't help you. That is to say - civility like that will hardly help you make good threads on here, but this thread had basically zero chance at being a civil one, because you started it off like - again - a person dug into his hostile, negative opinion without the slightest intention of listening to anything.
Good night.

>>375958739
>admits bias
>proceeds to write 2 passive aggressive paragraphs

you got him good man

>>375959139

>reads half a sentence and replies instantly

you got me good man

>>375959236
sorry i dont read at the speed of a toddler

>>375959509

and yet you reply at their level of understanding

>>375959570
wow what a paragon of civilized discussion you are

>>375959760

You get what you give

>>375958739
>and thinks he has to be especially hostile about his criticism to drive home a point.
lmao what
You're the guy taking such massive offense to basic sentence structure and criticism. Not once did I say that the people who liked the game were retards or things like that, the one hostile here is definitely you who didn't even respond seriously for a long time because you were above that I guess.
>Again, that just makes you a person nobody likes to discuss things with, discussion may be a conflict but its not necessarily hostile.
Again, says the guy who has been having this discussion for the past 20 minutes.
You might as well conclude that you can't actually argue for the game itself and just resorted to attacking the way I provided those arguments instead.
>Conduct yourself in a civilized manner if you want discussion
Which I did in the OP
But I guess it was still too harsh for your teeny tiny cute little eyes and ears, right?
Even if we were threatening to kill each other and launched massive spouts of profanity at each other every post, that wouldn't somehow eliminate the points we made. If you're this sensitive in the first place, why are you even here.
>if you can't see the hostility and extremity in your opening post I can't help you
You really are just a special snowflake anon, if you can't see that I can't help you.
>a person dug into his hostile, negative opinion without the slightest intention of listening to anything.
For the fifth time, maybe I would have given a shit if you people actually responded seriously instead of handwaving any and all arguments away with ebin greentexts and other lazy excuses.

You can keep repeating the same "dug in negativism" shit all you want anon, it wont make it true. I've said multiple times that I don't hate the game and that I think it had great, even amazing aspects to it.

But seriously, if you consider the OP hostile or "uncivilized" - grow a brain. It even ends in a question, not a threat or an insult.

>combat isn't good

When will this meme end? The combat is great. Yes you can cheese through the game with the same 1 or 2 combos, that's the same for every action game though. You can do lots of fun and in depth, satisfying combos, but just because you're too retarded doesn't make the combat bad.

>>375960048
wow, Nier:Automata truly is Baby's First Platinum Game.

>>375960048
I wish dodging would require actual timing, it would make the combat a lot better aside from that it's just missing a combo meter. Even Bayo and DMC would be nothing without S ranks and shit since noone would bother with all those combos and tech otherwise

>>375960270
Platinum didn't invent action you underage degenerate

Wow, the hatebase for this game is really fucking autistic. I haven't even played it yet, but this thread is literally posted every single day. Hell I've lurked here long enough that I could tell that there are at most 6 people coming to shit on it, given by how their posts are copypasted from previous threads. Seriously you people are even worse than the BoTW, Witcher 3, and Bloodborne shitposters. At least I can't flat out recognize the shitposters.

>>375960374
I agree. I also hate the rpg elements where if you fight something way above your level you do almost no damage to it. I remember fighting the level 50 Father Servo for like 30 minutes just because I was level 20 and did no damage.

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>>375933202
>enemy design is bland as fuck and hitting enemies doesn't have very good feedback at all
Finally someone who isn't brain washed by the colossal weeb fuck over hype for this game

>>375958739
>>375960012
Also, don't even bother responding because you'll just say the same inane shit that means nothing but makes you seem above and beyond this.

Like I said, you - like most fanboys of this mediocre at best abortion of a game - are completely unable to actually argue why my points were wrong or uninformed, and thus started attacking the way I wrote those arguments down.

Admitting that something has flaws and discussing those flaws is the essential way we as consumers can learn about the medium and what worked and what didn't.
You being unable to even begin to discuss things - or the inability to even want to - is one of the biggest reasons /v/ is so shit now. No matter how relevant, apt or downright true the criticisms are, people like you handwave it away because of any excuse you want to throw in.
In your case - it was the way I wrote the OP post, only listing the flaws I found and none of the pros I also found.

At the end of the day you're just a butthurt fanboy who can't accept the possibility of someone disliking your favorite game even if that person provided actual arguments instead of your pedantic excuses at best.
Its not unnatural anon. The first step to betterment is acceptance anon.

I hope I didn't shatter your delicate heart with the mean, awful way I wrote this text on a siamese toilet polishing forum not even intended for legitimate video game discussion - I suppose.

>>375960012

You literally finished off the OP post with a loaded question you tard, its right there - what is that if not hostiltiy? A question that by default assumes that we don't like the game either?

In the end I'm just wasting my time either way, that is true - but your post right there is the proof of why I don't bother with the game itself anymore, I had that discussion more than enough now, I can't bother to actually engage people who'll just explode denial and ad-hominem like you just did when they aren't getting their way. Who the fuck wants to listen to this?
I disagree with your dumb shit and even explain myself - and you trigger yourself into this raging hostile fuck where every "point" you make is underlined with ad-hominem towards me. It doesn't matter if its the game or the nature of your opening post, you would do this either way.
Its much more tiring to do this and come to this same conclusion when I talk about a game, its simpler to just see you get bent out of shape because I pointed out your behavior in the OP post. As far as you are concerned the end result is the same.

>>375960565
I think father servo is really made for hacking, at least the later onces. There should be some kind of damage floor system though like on critical mode in KH2. Where you deal enough damage even on lvl1 but you can always outlevel stuff if you want to

>>375960728
>my argument is air tight and my word is law, I'm captain of my high school debate team

At the end of the day you're arguing on the internet over a videogame you don't like. Reevaluate your life

>>375960728

Its odd how you can point out your own behavior in every second post, you call me passive agressive and then do not one but two passive agressive posts where you pre-emptively insult me - why would you expect different answers you retard?
You want to lean heavily on the negatives, point out only flaws in a very assured and extremely brook-no-argument way and take them to the extreme - and get reasonable discussion?

Why wouldn't I do the same thing to you? Thats exactly how you see my posts (you literally said it several times including there "you are just a fanboy, you cannot accept, blah blah" and you don't even notice. You are eating your own shit right now.

>>375961151
Kek this

Even if i mostly agree with OP this is just getting stupid. For all this time hosting this garbage thread you couldve been playing good games.

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>>375949964
>Android wearing black sighted
This makes me feel good knowing 2b, A2, and 9s are broing it up.

>combat is far better than the was in the original 30+ hour game
>the "open world" has plenty of quests and collectables throughout, isn't very large, and offers fast travel by the time you need to do a lot of backtracking
>quests designs are fetch quests, hunts, and escort quests like every other game known to man
>enemy designs are varied and tactile feedback when hit
>characterization is weak in cutscenes, no denying that, but it is fleshed out in supplemental materials and documents found in-game
>areas that are recycled offer new sub-areas or radical change the area (such as the city ruins after invasion)
>second playthrough offers new scenes, including a completely new intro sequence, and adds a new gameplay mechanic all while being far quicker than the original playthrough
>much of the hacking is optional and there are tons of variations to keep it from being boring unless you keep needlessly hacking the same low level enemies like a retard
>the story introduces themes and then delivers on all of the buildup in the final ending

Basically the characterization is your only good point. And even then the characters are fleshed out if you are willing to read the optional stuff.

>>375960814
>why didn't you like the game?
This is supposedly a hostile question.
Holy fuck, you really are sensitive.

You know, just maybe, perhaps, by chance, by some higher power, maybe I was just legitimately asking why others shared the same sentiment - that the game wasn't that great.
Noo, noo, that can't be it. It has to be hostile because its disagreeing with you, right?

>A question that by default assumes that we don't like the game either?
Fair enough.
>I had that discussion more than enough now,
So now you're just responding because it makes you feel fuzzy inside? If by your own words you are wasting your time effectively saying nothing - why the fuck are you even here?
If you can't actually discuss things and have to take it to a more personal level about the person offering criticism, why the fuck are you even here?
If you can't defend the game and its flaws by your own arguments, why try it indirectly at all, why the fuck are you even here?
> disagree with your dumb shit and even explain myself -
The only "explaining" you've done so far nada, zilch, zero. Not fucking once have you actually addressed the points in the OP, instead you point to the question or the tone of my writing. Like jesus dude, even I can see that you're wasting your time writing posts like this that effectively say fucking nothing about nothing.
>As far as you are concerned the end result is the same.
Yes, keep believing that I didn't actually come here to discuss video games. That would be a far too difficult concept to grasp, people talking about video games on /v/?

The fact that you already said you're a blind fanboy who can't actually argue about the topic is enough, you could have started and at the same time ended with that.

Really, if I was doing this purely for (you)s and blatant shitposting, I'd be far more creative and barely even respond seriously to you.
But yes keep believing that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is doing so because they are meany weanies >:(

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Why does the game drop to like 10 fps and stutters mad on the ps4 pro now? Especially at city center by the big crater it was awful felt like playing blight town on ps3..

>>375961789
>And even then the characters are fleshed out if you are willing to read the optional stuff.

This is probably the worst part of the game and its laughable how people consider Taro a good writer when he pulls shit like this. Not even Kojima stooped this low.

>>375949906
/v/ is what introduced me to the franchise like 5-6 years ago. Used to be the only place where anyone was even remotely interested in the franchise, and the only place to discuss it. Seeing threads like these every day, using the same bait and people latching on to it is kinda heartbreaking.

At least /ndg/ is a thing now, i guess...

>>375961690
>A2, and 9s
>broing it up
I doubt that.

>>375945180
It's not open world. If a game doesn't have stage selection, that doesn't make it open world.

>>375962057
You can pick up plenty of characterization in cutscenes alone if you pay attention.

>>375933202
I played Nier before it became a complete meme and absolutely hated it then, seeing this attempt to meme yoko taro recently has been fucking awful, I'm glad the backlash is beginning.

>>375962117
I'm sure after they woke up and 2b explained what happened, it cleared it up fairly well. I'm sure there was still some resentment, but not to the point of open hostility.

>>375962082
Just wait a couple of months anon. By then shitposters will have moved on (hopefully, but never doubt the power of autism) and the more rabid Taro fans (whom many I believe or just false flagging) will get bored. Games like Bloodborne were flat out impossible to discuss on /v/ for at least 6 months

>>375962246
Of course, but like you just said the real meat of it is in side material.

And if thats the case, whats the point of the game? Nobody actually thought this through.

>>375962213
People don't know what open world is anymore. Automata is about as open world as Metroid Prime.

>>375962117
He must mean the kind of bros that get into fights all the time.

What are the recommended specs for this game, running a GTX 970 on an I5 4600.

>>375933202
man this butthurt BOTWfag shit is getting really old.

>>375961151
>>my argument is air tight and my word is law, I'm captain of my high school debate team
Ahh, do please point me out to where I said that
Better yet, point me to a post in this thread that says either of the following:
>you are objectively wrong if you like this game
>my statements are correct and no one can argue about them
See you next year I guess.

>>375961419
>You want to lean heavily on the negatives
Because repeating the praise for the OST and dialogue is effectively pointless and a waste of time, everyone knows those things are mostly great.
>point out only flaws
Yes of course, because discussion about what could have been better and what worked and what didn't is usually centered around the flaws of the object in question. Mindblowing, criticism actually offering criticism? Fuck me.

>>375962250
>I'm glad the backlash is beginning
It's literally a couple spergs making the same thread everyday.

>>375962370
Should be fine, I played with a 1070. PC port is kinda wonky though, but Borderless Gaming and the FAR mod should fix most problems

>>375962354
I can see how that would bother people, but after years of Armored Core, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, and more recently Souls stuff pulling the same thing I'm used to it and don't really mind it. I suppose it would be nice to show all of this in cutscenes but then MGS4 happens.

>>375962459
Either way it makes it clear we do not want this tumblr meme game discussed on our board.

>>375962408
Why would BOTWfags be buthurt? Their game BTFO Nier in every possible metric. Nierfags only have unsupportable statements like "it's deeper" or "it's more cuhrayzay" to fall back on.

>>375962250
Good for you anon. Wear your shit taste with pride.

>>375962057
I don't think anyone is questioning that it's the least strong element of the game. I was doing some mental gymnastics and it kinda hit me that when 2B died, I kinda didn't give a shit. Like my only thought was 'wow they did that. okay'

>>375962246
2B/9S get SOME decent amount of work. But not A2. I think Taro fucked up by having A2 get her own route.
Imagine if 9S had a route twice as long and actually gave it more time to develop things. Then he could've set up how much of a villain A2 is, but people who saw/read the play would know otherwise.

I dunno just feels like it could've been done better, there's a lot like that.

>>375962284
What high profile game is coming out soon that'll take the attention away?

>>375962791
ironic

>>375962753
>our board
Reddit? Good, then go back to it.

>>375962082
>the same bait every day
>>375962408
>botwfag shit

This is the second time I've tried to make a post talking about the game but I guess thats too tall an order for the fans of this game. I guess criticizing something you like is truly impossible for you people.

>>375962753
>we
c'mon buddy.

>>375962458
>dialogue
>everyone knows those things are mostly great.
Only weeaboos exposed to only Japanese video games and anime honestly believe this

>>375962586
No really, just think of how Kojima managed to pull off a memorable and varied cast in MGS1. Hell, Taro already did it in Nier 1 and Drakengard 1, but for some reason Automata completely fails in this respect. Its honestly surprising.

>>375933202
>>combat isn't nearly good enough to carry the game for 30+ hours
Stopped reading here. OP probably still doesn't realize there are weapon switch combos.

>>375962923
Reddit surely has an entire subsection for you to cum all over Yoko Taro's epic madman mask all you want.

>>375962838
E3 is coming up soon. Will probably provide shitposting material for months to come. Persona 5 seemed to attract a lot of shitposters, but some of the more dedicated ones like >>375962753 seem to still be hung up on it for some reason.

>>375962928
Enough people reacted and answered your criticism. I guess it's too much for you too accept that people have different opinions than you.

>>375962458
The way you carry yourself in conversation is so matter-of-fact and high and fucking mighty. I think the game is average, and agree with some of the points in the OP, but they are all subjective, and when your head is so far up your own ass why should anyone waste their time arguing with you?

You're a gigantic fucking faggot.

>>375933202
I liked the game and had enough fun with it to justify my purchase, but I agree with these points:
>the open world is empty, bland and boring
>enemy design is bland as fuck
>the ENTIRE second playtrough is a waste of time and there is no reason the relevant information in it couldn't have been implemented into the first one
>the hacking minigame gets boring in the first 3 minutes of doing it

>>375962928
>second time making this thread

Yeah, second time today. Have fun playing the victim in 4 hours and every other time you make it. Because responding to people giving you shit, instead of the other ones talking about the game and trying to answer your questions, seems to be your only goal

>>375963007
>Drakengard 1
Ok guy. The only thing he pulled off their was making a terrible game. Automata's cast isn't his best work but it sure as fuck is better than DoD1's, no matter how many shitty Caim memes people spam. You can't complain about poor characterization and the praise that game.
Also the original Nier was just as reliant on supplemental stuff as Automata, so I don't see how you feel that one's okay but this isn't.

>>375962947
For all the shit I've given the game, I do think the dialogue is pretty good. Its not some uber-deep thinking mans masterpiece dialogue, but its often funny, charming and enjoyable to listen to.

The best part in my mind is 9S novel/death sequence. The writing in that is pretty good and was pretty much the only portion where I felt some sense of emotion towards the character who was pretty barebones.

Then again, they did an amazing job for the opera singer by having her get a novel of her own. Not only did it mirror a lot of what we see today, but it also provided more depth not only to the boss but the philosopher in the village as well.

Its not amazing or mindblowing, but it definitely has its moments.

>>375963009
I do, and theres almost no reason to use them.
I went through the game holding R1, spamming light attack and spamming dodge when a red flash was coming.
With 9S you don't even have to worry about bigger enemies because the hacking is braindead easy and the hacking does like 30+% of their health bar.

>>375963156
>The way you carry yourself in conversation is so matter-of-fact and high and fucking mighty
All I did was ask for those posts showing me being a word-of-god or something.
I'm sorry I offended you.

>>375963192
Second time in the past 2 weeks actually.
I know its a difficult concept to grasp but hold on a minute - there *are* more than 1 or 2 people who disliked the game.

>>375963446
Nier 1 isnt reliant on supplemental material for its core fucking cast. Grimoire Nier exists, but you dont leave the game feeling like you didn't even see all the characters had to offer.

With Drakengard 1 its not even really about Caim, you got guys like Inuart, Manah, Leonard and Angelus, some really interesting and substantial characters you interact with throughout the game. In comparison most of the most realized characters in Automata are in sidequests.

>>375962458
Do you have a job? You legitimately sound like a gigantic self important faggot, I don't know how any place could stand your narcissistic ass. I don't even have this fucking game, but the way you talk triggers me hard. I really hope this is just internet big boy talk, because the world does not need any more self absorbed, passive agressive cunts, I deal with way too many on a day to day basis.

>>375963720
>All I did was etc etc etc
>I know it's a difficult concept to grasp but hold on etc etc etc

This is what I'm talking about. Every single one of your fucking posts you have this holier than thou attitude. If you can't recognize that you sound like a giant cunt, I'm afraid you may have autism. Not meme autism but actual can't into social cues autism.

Again, why would any person want to have an actual, not retarded discussion with you over what's good and/or bad about this game when every sentence you spew out of your fucking mouth is riddled with your own cum

>>375963767
>Do you have a job?
Not yet, got one recently though.
Have no idea why you're even asking that though.
>You legitimately sound like a gigantic self important faggot
All I did was ask for those posts showing me being a word-of-law or god or whatever.
>I don't even have this fucking game, but the way you talk triggers me hard. I really hope this is just internet big boy talk, because the world does not need any more self absorbed, passive agressive cunts, I deal with way too many on a day to day basis.
Ah, its the sarcasm and not-witty remarks is it? I get it, I do it too often.
But hey, maybe you're taking this just a tad bit too seriously, and being a bit too sensitive while at it.

And lmao no, do you think this is how I talk and write in real life? Okay anon, whatever you want to believ- sorry, got a little bit too passive aggressive there, I'll avoid that next time :)

>>375933202
Don't you get tired making the same thread every day?

Man this is reaching FFXV thread levels of autism

>>375964141
>This is what I'm talking about. Every single one of your fucking posts you have this holier than thou attitude
English isn't my first language and my vocabulary isn't as large as it could be. I see myself and feel myself using the same phrases and words way too often and yeah it bothers me too but I still do it without not even noticing a lot of the time.

Does the actual message and meaning get conveyed to you though? Yes? Of course it does. So I don't know why you're so angry.

>Again, why would any person want to have an actual, not retarded discussion with you over what's good and/or bad about this game when every sentence you spew out of your fucking mouth is riddled with your own cum
Careful there, you might hurt my nonexistent feelings.
Maybe people should have started the actual discussion earlier instead of escalating this shit up to here where we are now.

I might be a cunt in your eyes and hell, I don't much care. But you are still incapable of actually arriving at the point and actually discussing the actual thing we're here to discuss.
I truly am sorry if my writing style is too harsh for your snowflake-self, but whoopdiedoo I guess you'll have to live with it.

Don't get too mad though, I can already see your blood boiling from here.

>>375964796
It really is

>>375964796
It aint my fault that this fanbase can't accept criticism :')

>>375964921
Stop projecting so hard kiddo. Aint my fault that you cherrypick the posts you reply to

>>375933202
Am I not allowed to like something despite its flaws?

>>375963720
Are they all as dense and comically vein as you? Your exact mix of ignorance and undeserved self importance is in every one of these.

>>375965094
Where did I say you weren't?
Hell, I enjoyed large parts about the game.
I think the amusement park and the slow unraveling of the machines and their lives is really interesting and fun to follow. That doesn't mean the game didn't have flaws.

Hell, Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time but every single aspect of it is so deeply flawed that I can perfectly understand when people say its a 7/10 at best.

>>375933202
I liked it

>>375965267
>Are they all as dense and comically vein as you?
I wouldn't know, I'm one man.
>Your exact mix of ignorance and undeserved self importance is in every one of these.
Ignorance as to what? Next you're going to say that I didn't even play the game like Bloodborne fanboys do.

>>375965375
You're being reasonable, I like that.

>>375965440
Most of /v/ did actually. It just doesn't get many threads anymore as there's only so much you can discuss in a single player story driven game, leaving us with threads like this cesspool to discuss the game.

>>375965894
I visit /ndg/ once in a while. I loved the world and strategy guide though, nice art and tons of details just like the other Nier and Drakengard guides

>>375965867
In my mind I tried to be reasonable from the start of this thread.
Some people took the OP the wrong way and it escalated into this. Some people like the blind fanboys they are, just shouted bait at the OP post and left it at that.

I might as well try a third time, just for an experiment of sorts. Start a similar thread 3 weeks from now, praise the games good parts, then unravel that whole list of things I didn't like and then ask the same question.

I guess being polite anonymously still rubs people the good way and doesn't trigger them into oblivion.

>>375966185
Maybe you should've said "What are some things you didn't like about the game" instead of "Why didn't YOU like the game"

>>375966551
I meant it as a general question honestly, for likeminded people.
It totally came out wrong though and here we are.

>>375933202
I agree completely

At the end of the day this game's contribution amount only to some masterfully crafted fapbait and 1 really good track. Once again /v/ proves it knows fuck all about video games

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>>375933202

I agree with everything but I still had a ton of fun. Loved the themes, music and graphics were nice. I was playing at 1440p ultrawide. Shit was awesome

>>375938083
Way to out yourself for not having played a single fucking action game in your life you retard

>>375939026
>but horribly simplified for any fans of Platinum's work.

Is this what we've come to? Pretending Platinum has complex combat? lol

>>375939873
Not him, but where do you recommend I start?

>>375967839
Most action games don't play themselves on the level that Nier does. You can literally mash x to auto kill everything and all you have to look out is using your free action cancels out of anything dodge

>>375949906
And there it is, the mating call of the vacuous mouth breathing shit posting retard

>>375962534
Bueno, I'll be checking this out soon then.

>>375968173
What? This applies to other action games as well. You can easily beat Bayonetta with pkp and dodge out of anything. It doesn't make it a bad game though.

>>375968173
I know, i agree, that doesn't change the fact that auto tracking has been a staple of action games since DMC invented the genre. Did it? I can't remember any before it.

>>375969226
Hope you enjoy it anon, try to avoid spoilers as best as you can. Not that there's any point though, comfy Nier/DoD threads are long dead.

>>375969420
You're delusional if you think nier is on the level of bayonetta.

>>375969836
Of course it isn't but you can still play with combos in Nier:A just like you can in Bayonetta. Both games are boring if you go through them pressing xxxx and pkp. Use your imagination.

Fuck, every Nier discussion on /v/ is turning into shit.
I blame PCfags for that.

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I want to see 2B get BLACKED.

>>375970334
Look up any shitty SFM porn

>>375970292
>the ps4 threads were comfy and had good vibes all around
>fast forward to pc release
>I WANT TO FUCK 2B AND LICK HER ASSHOLE
>THIS GAME IS FUCKING SHIT FUCK TARO I HOPE HE GETS RAPED
>WHY ARENT YOU PLAYING THE GREATEST VIDEO GAME OF ALL TIME NIER AUTOMATA MADE BY TARO, THE BESTEST DEV EVER

Once again proving that porting a new, hyped title to PC is the easiest way to kill discussion.

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>>375969420
>What? This applies to other action games as well

>>375970690
Don't kid yourself Nier threads were always 90% buttfags.

>>375970751
>*dickfags

>>375970292
>>375970690
>waah people dont think my game is literally perfect
>must be those damn pcfags i hear they have taste

>>375968170
Dune, its one hell of a rabbithole

>>375970856
Noone said you should call it perfect. Way to project

>>375970502
There's barely any SFM of her, it's very surprising

>>375970734
I remember beating ninja gaiden black when I was like 12 with the xxyy sword combo.

>the same obvious bait thread again
You don't even need to play the game to start seeing contradictions in the bait.

>>375971301
>Beating

That's not how well designed action games work nigga. You didn't beat Ninja Gaiden Black, you finished normal and if you did finish normal you sure as fuck did not do it by mindlessly spamming one combo. I guaranfuckingtee it.

>>375970690
There was plenty of good discussion after the PC release though, it only went to shit recently.

>>375943632
It's not redundant, it's for speeding shit up. Would you rather have to walk or ride everywhere for the whole game? No, you'd bitch about that if you had to do it.

>>375935913
>hack and slashing
>and 2D side scrollers
>and 3D + 2D bullet hells
>and 2D + twin stick schmups
>and text adventures
Good to know you didn't play the game.

Why do people keep talking the message in the game is finding meaning in meaninglessness and getting upset about it? First off It's a Yoko Taro game, you really shouldn't go in and walk out expecting good advice. In the first NieR and Drakengard 1 you basically doom the world through your actions for reasons that aren't really worth it. Secondly the fact that everything was meaningless is actually pretty interesting, not many stories in games would dare to pull shit like that on you. Can't say I'm surprised that a "meaningless" story bothers you people with how insane so many of you went over MGS5. Third, you can interpret the games message as whatever the hell you want. I interpret parts of it as you make your own future. Regardless of how it ends up, you made it the way it is and that should be good enough.

>>375961583
Ew there's a black guy in that call of duty game. I'll take superior nippon game any day.

Pascal deserved better

>>375933202
>combat isn't nearly good enough
Stopped reading there and dunno about you but I was having fun dude.

>>375964796
Nah nothing can ever reach that level of faggotry.

>>375976098
How do you have fun with this game's combat? You literally just mash the attack button until the enemy's eyes glow red and then mash the dodge button to get out scot-free. There's absolutely no sense of weight or commitment to a single action you take.