>Bullet damage decreased from 20 to 19

>>375885926
He was always shit

>giving a shit about normiewatch

Finally

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And they still won't fix Pharah.
Literally every single Uprising game I've been in with someone playing her has been a loss. Literally no other character has had this issue. That's how bad Pharah is.

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>>375886860
Also OP its only one point they took away, he used to do 17 per bullet and he was still fine.

>>375888658
Why the fuck would anyone use Pharah on that mode?

>>375888658
what if they make the ultimate fire and forget. it just locks on to the target area while the rocket shoot out of pharah while being able to move?

>>375888906
what if you take your shitty theorycrafting to the game forums

not only does this entire thread belong in /vg/, but no developer is EVER going to see your post here

But that's good. They buffed Soldier's damage because Ana was so prevalent in the meta and her burst healing was insane. Now that they've heavily nerfed Ana Soldier doesn't need all that damage

>>375888658
>Not just going Mercy Bastion Orisa Soldier
Do they just not want to win?

>>375889362
rude desu

>>375888658
It depends. A good Pharah is annoying as fuck.

>>375885926
>Trying to make a casual game competitive

The scene is dead as fuck. You can't polish a turd anon

>>375885926
>Assuming this will make any difference.

Any other buffs/nerfs? I can't check their site.

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when are they going to make his ult not absolutely fucking garbage?

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When will the game be fun?

>>375888658
Because i wasnt on your team m80

>>375889686
>Assuming it won't
Why do people dislike Soldier 76?
Answer: He's too strong.
Let's make him 5% weaker

>>375888658
The Pharah + Mercy combo has never been stronger.

>>375889739
he went from being such a good boy at launch to the worst gamer guy

did the fellas at blizzard get mad at him and punish him or something

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>making the pharmercy combo even more annoying

I can't wait to pick hitscan heroes in every match now.

>>375889782
It won't

>>375889739
>McCree's Ult
>garbage

>>375888658

>The hero with the least counters of any other hero in the game was bad in the auto-aim AI mode
>That means she's shit

Weak bait.

Nerf to soldier is (another) buff to tanks/healers. Just what the game didn't need.

Meanwhile mcreeeeee is still busted shit.

But hey let's buff hanzo!!!

>>375889896
Yes?
It's like a worse Hanzo ult, except stuns don't nullify Hanzo's dragons.

>>375885926
did this nerf come in with the last patch? I played a bunch of games today and didn't even notice

>nerfing the useless niggerbot's already pitiful damage
Okay.

>>375889896
>enemy team has either a Reinhardt/Winston/D.va/Orisa/Widowmaker/Mei

>ulti is now completely useless

where can I even look at these patch noets? blizzard never updates their official patchnote site for small stuff

>>375889896
>20000 ways to completely nullify it
>not even good for zoning because nobody is scared of it
>not garbage

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>>375885926
>Be blizzard
>Make Mccree, well designed, easy to pick up and hard to master hero. Very aim reliant, cool design. Patricians choice of hero for alphamales with high mechanical skill.
Good job so far!

>Make solider, does everything mccree does, with more consistant damage, a more useful ult, more utility, move movement, smaller hitbox and tiny head all while being 10000x easier to play.
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD AND FUCK YOR=UR FUCKING GAY CASUAL CONSOLE PLAYERBASE OF 12 YEAR OLD SPASTICS AND DUDEBRO AUTISM FRIENDS ON DISCORD THAT ARE SILVER

>>375890114

The exact same statement applies to 76

>>375889834
I mean, really 5% difference isn't much at all. As baby DVa I can survive five shots to the head instead of four now.

>>375889537
truth*

>>375890114
Same applies to 76's and Pharahs

>>375890120
https://blizztrack.com/patch_notes/overwatch_ptr

>>375890194
No, because he doesn't move like he has a stick up his ass when he ults.

>>375890194
at least 76 has mobility and can provide a constant dps while ulting

>>375890194
At least 76 can still move instead of walking super slowly with a bright ass color surrounding him making him an easier target for a sniper than a Mei wall

>>375888685
No he wasn't, he was outclassed by McCree.

So now McCree will see some resurgence or they'll go back to 4 tank meta.

>normiewatch
fuck off

>>375885926
F
Solider was legitimately at reinhart balance where he's perfect and should bring other guys at his level

>>375890321
>>375890327
>>375890350

And how does this affect the obvious implication our good Anon made that shields and walls are the primary problem?

It's ridiculous to say that an ultimate designed to burst down low health heroes and has to potential to one shot every hero in the game at once should be better. Shit, 200 health heroes already get marked to die in about one second.

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>>375890310
>be pharah
>enemy team has rein
>position myself to melt his shield instantly and annihilate the enemy team

stop being bad at pharah

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>>375889914
>Hero with the least counters
Anyone with a good aim can be a pharah counter and shoot her out of the sky.

>>375888658
>PVE game mode meaning jack shit

>>375890538
Soldier can adjust his positioning so he can still kill people hiding behind shields. McCree ulties and someone drops a shield, he has to stand there like an asshole.

>>375889739
Still better than >>375888658

Once DPS are equalized, they should, proceed to nerf tanks. Optimally, this game should run around a 3-2-1/3-1-2 balance. Reason? There are more DPS Heroes than Supports and Tanks combined, the only way to see true variation would be to aim at that sort of comp through a full rebalancing of the game.

>>375888658
I'm sorry you got paired with shitters, but when I played Phara her ult was up near constantly.
The worst waves got melted.

>>375890646

>LOL JUST AIM BETTER

Not an argument.

>>375889914
I dunno Roadhog did pretty well I think.

>>375888658
>pharah is bad and needs a fix because uprising mode

what kind of logic is this

>>375890559
>melt his shield instantly

Pharah needs to hit Reinhardt's shield at least 16 times though.

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>>375890165
That sounds awfully familiar. Where else have I seen that happening before?

>>375890559
>Be D.Va
>Here "JUSTICE"
>Hit M2
>eat Pharah's Ult for free

See, anon, I can do it too.

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>>375890646
>be winston
>can't hit pharah in the sky
what's this bullshit

>Deflect is still a thing that is allowed to exist in an FPS game
>Defense Matrix is still a thing that is allowed to exist in an FPS game
>Zayra is still a thing that is allowed to exist in an FPS game
>Scatter Arrow is still a thing that is allowed to exist in an FPS game

>>375890825
A good soldier beats a good pharah.
A bad soldier does not beat a good pharah.
A bad soldier beats a bad pharah.
Skill>Counters.

>>375890990
>press LShift
>hold M1
>Pharah dies
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew

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>>375890942
>implying the majority of waifufag D.Va players are smart enough to do this
>implying D.Va wasn't taken out before the ult

>>375891061
>Scatter Arrow
>Intended to be a way to catch someone with low HP who ran behind a wall
>used as a fucking shotgun that does more damage than Reaper
God I hate that shit skill. The whole point is that he's a mid-range character and yet he has one of the best close-range abilities.

>>375891126
Depends on the map. King of the Hill forces Pharah into a smaller space that Winston can reach.

Payload/Att&Def however give her more air to distance herself.

>>375891119
>A bad soldier beats a bad pharah

Factually incorrect and if you played competitive at low to mid level you would know this.

Pharah flies around like a gnat half way across the map where damage fall off turns 76 bullets into feathers meanwhile she holds M1 and eventually chips him or somebody else out with splash damage or a few direct hits. Getting damage out with Pharah is DEMONSTRABLY easier because of hitbox sizes, projectile speed, and spash. A bad 76 already has trouble hitting targets moving on a two dimensional plane, never mind three dimensions.

>>375891284
>Woah I'm being ambushed
>Better shoot the ground for guaranteed chunk damage.
I hate him so much, and I've gotten good enough to trick players who use him and have won most fights with one...But just fuck off with what he can do to others who aren't so lucky.

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>>375891352
Stop going into her line of sight. If you wouldn't do the same with an enemy Widow, why would you do it with an enemy Pharah?

>>375891449
It's 450 damage.

>>375891571
>Stop going into her line of sight.

So don't shoot her?

>>375891649
Not that guy but you can shoot someone who is not looking at you.

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>>375891140
True waifufag D.Va players know that she will only love them if they are good at the game and push themselves for her sake.

>>375891632
Which is just gross against than 4/5ths of the cast.

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>>375889836

>tfw your pharah is bad and you're just healing her through all the good pharah's damage
>Take out pistol and kill enemy pharah myself

>>375890165
>Bad Mccrees do fuck all
>Bad Soldiers scratch people's hp bars and sometimes heal some teammates
>Good Mcrees 2 shot people
>Good soldiers whittle people down until they down or run away

Your just a retarded Mcree who panicks and cant duel soldiers

>>375891832
>trying to learn Pharah
>Mercys keep pocketing me

I can't take the pressure

>>375891352
>Factually incorrect
Its a situational matchup depending on range

>Pharah flies around like a gnat half way across the map where damage fall off turns 76 bullets into feathers meanwhile she holds M1 and eventually chips him or somebody else out with splash damage or a few direct hits
Completely unrealistic, go play the fucking game before spouting bullshit, even quickplay will tell you thats not how it works

Soldier will win at long range because he can dodge rockets and splash is negligible, falloff is 55 fucking meters, literally never comes into play.
Pharah will win against almost everyone at close range because they cant dodge the rockets, its simple as that, she just needs to stay on top.
Medium range is very situational.

T. Soldier and Pharah 'main'

>>375889860
McCree is fine, he just needs some tweaking. He was at his absolute worst post fanthehammer nerf, and ever since they made his primary fire viable he was in a decent spot until tripletank became a thing.

>>375891126
lol winston's gun does nowhere near enough to kill pharah as long as he's in the air. He'd have to reload and jump again.

>>375885926
TANK META BAK BAYBEEE!

>>375892592
Cont.
I was talking about the general matchup, regarding bad Soldiers and bad Pharahs its mostly random i think, it depends on how bad the Soldier really is, if he can aim then he might win otherwise Pharah wins because she indeed eventually gets lucky rockets and splash.

>>375892875
They need to give Reaper a health buff, his disco boots are heard from spawn so flanking does fuck all for him. Give him 275 health and let him get face to face

>>375889480
Uprising is a cake walk before you get to Expert. I was trying weird picks all the time as long as we had a healer, and it usually worked unless my teammates were exceptionally bad.

>>375893039
>Reaper
>health buff
>250 HP
>self healing gimmick
>get-out-of-jail free skill

Tank honestly just need to be nerfed. Their high burst damage just makes Reaper obsolete.

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>activion blizzard """"competetive"""" shooters aimed at literal kids

Why is sombra so shit?

>>375893138
>get out of jail free skill that means nothing when the big bad hookman gets you

I agree though, fuck tanks. They make the game a slog for the most part.

>>375893039
>>375893138

He got a "mini" buff on ptr, wraith form now reloads his guns

>>375893246
Because blizzard is too pussy to let her hack while invisible.

>>375893305
Doesn't really help him but it's a good thing. Reapers usually Wraith Form to get away from danger, if they get chased down with low health reloaded guns aren't going to help him.

Tanks as a class seriously need to be redesigned, at close range they utterly shit on Attackers, meaning they shit on Reaper. And Tank combos like D.Va+Reinhardt make it virtually impossible for Attackers to maintain distance.

>>375888658

>Uprising

>>375893246
Ult is too strong against certain heroes, she is literally a Q bitch right now
Besides that she can burst down key targets and fuck off unscathed, assuming your aim is legendary, but the biggest thing holding her back as legit offense is that she is also literally countered by people who play together.

>>375893459
Yeah, it really doesn't do much for him. The only way he'll move up in the picks is if they drop a heavy hammer on all the tanks.

>>375893336
Why are the stealthy characters fucking loud?
>drop invisibility when behind enemy team
>I WAS HERE THE WHOLE TIME!
>warping with Reaper
>REPOSITIONING!

>>375893459
>>375893545
It's so fucking stupid how bad reaper is at his niche.

>Dva
Defense matrix, boost away
>Orisa
No one plays her cause she's terrible
>Rein
Any non-braindead teammate will hang out by the rein, making ambushing him guaranteed to get you killed. If he gets low health he can just shield/charge you
>Roadhog
His gun can one shot you at your effective range, and he can hook you
>winston
Jump away, shield
>Zarya
Thanks for charging my gun, faggot

Literally 1 tank who can't deal with him, and they're considered the worst tank in the game.

>>375893829
Tanks ruin Overwatch, this isn't new.

Orisa got nerfed for some odd reason.

>>375893892
>nerfing the shittiest Tank
>Zarya is still broken as fuck

lmao Blizzard

>>375893892
Cause they saw people actually chose someone other than their precious Rein. Blizz sucks his and Mercy's dick the absolute most for some reason and I don't get it.

>>375885926
When will they just fucking give his rifle proper recoil?
Even Paladins got that shit right.

>>375893974
>Mercy
She's measureably worse than Ana, blizz fucking loves her so much for some reason.

>>375885926
>game is still super tank oriented
>Rein and Zarya are autopicks on almost every map
>let's nerf one of the only DPS heroes getting picked

Shit like this makes me question why I still play this shit game.

>>375893743
Everything in this fucking game is too loud
>every ult has turns their character into a big fucking glowing beacon with their own unique klaxon
>every character except Zenyatta has a blatant walking sound FX, making flanking difficult unless every other fuck on their team is screaming and making a distraction.

>>375894020
Ana is the most fun Healer in the game.

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>>375885926
>decreased 1 damage point per shot

F F F F TAKE ALL MY F'S

IT'S NOT FAIR BROS

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff

>>375893987
Didn't it have a decent spread before?
I remember having to burst fire early in the game to get consistent headshots.

>>375894108
>Not poppin heads off as Zen

>>375894020
You can really tell who the devs favor and that shit is cancer to a game like this.

>>375894093
Because you gladly slurp up what Blizzard shits out.

>>375894191
It has a bit of recoil, but you just have to hold click for like 3 shots then let go and shoot again and it'll basically be like it has none

>>375893039
what they really need to give Reaper is silent footsteps. He is by far the loudest hero in the game, even when hes not telling you where hes REPOSITIONING!

>>375885926
>>375894191


His nerf should have been this. Melting a reinhardt in the choke is fine, he shouldn't be sniping the tracer from across the map.

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>>375886860
>>375890489
Trying to meme this hard.

>>375894326
DEATH COM-UGH!

>ded

>>375894020
>mercy and rein

You mean Genji? Genji is literally Blizzard's lightning.

>>375894170
It's a 5% decrease in DPS. Also, 20 meant exactly 10 body shots kills most of the cast (200 HP), lowered by 1 for every head shot. Lowering it to 19 means those perfect breakpoints are gone, it'll take him 2 extra shots instead of 1 to kill a 200 HP target.

>>375893743
>REPOSITIONING
>not REAPERSITIONING

are you retarded?

>>375894421
That's Mercy. They gave her temporary invincibility.

Genji is adored by children, so they put him in the dirt fast.

>>375894421
have you played HotS with Genji in it? THAT is cancer.

>>375893892
>Ability to put a shield up and shoot from behind it

The damage reduction was a good move, especially since they buffed her shield regeneration time from 12 seconds to 8. It's a fair trade.

>>375894191
What I mean is that he shouldn't just have a cone of fire that widens when you hold down M1, the crosshair should kick up a bit instead like it does in most other shooters.
There should still be a bit of spread, obviously, but it shouldn't be the only factor when you're aiming with his rifle.

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>>375892354
>be decent above average Pharah with 5 years quake experience
>mercy pockets the roadhog the whole game

I can only have fun with this game playing McCree, Roadhog, or Pharah.

>>375894385
Shhh, they're new. We have to keep their hopes and dreams intact.

>>375894108
ana is also the only healer worth a shit

Why are the healers in this game so fucking dull? Zen is a support character and not a true healer, mercy is a lame ass meter maid, and lucio is now more situational than he's ever been.

>>375895156
>Lucio
>situational

Lucio is arguably better than ever.

>>375895207
he's still boring as fuck.

>>375895313
That doesn't change the fact that he's still one of the best Supports, legitimately tied with Ana now. They reworked him and now he's even better. I guess they feel 1 character out of 25 being a 100% pick rate is fine.

And I agree, he is boring as fuck. Ana and Zen are the only Supports like playing.

Why is Mcree so trash? I love him, and he was WAY too strong on release, but he's fucking awful right now. Like, either make him have no damage fall off, or make his FTH do good damage. He's in this weird spot where he's only good at exactly mid range, and only if you have godly aim.

If you don't like overwatch why complain in this thread?

>>375885926
why the fuck can't I find patch notes for it or anything? Is it on the ptr? I don't see anything about a nerf on the blizzard official posts

>>375895805
McCree is not a bad or weak character, but he has two problems.

>McCree does not deal with Tanks well, and they still play a huge roll
>Soldier 76's damage was buffed way too much, but now the show is on the other foot. Pre-buff 76 was absolutely worthless compared to McCree, McCree was straight up better than him in most situations. McCree and 76 seem to fight neck and neck for the "mid range hitscan" character slot, but with Soldier's better damage and the lack of characters McCree is good against (flankers), Soldier sees more playtime

Ana being in every single game doesn't help either, Sleep Dart shuts down Deadeye so easy it's criminal.

>>375896058
https://pvplive.net/c/overwatch-ptr-patch-111-buffs-hanzo-nerfs-orisas

>>375895048
>unironically plays mainstream normie "competitive" games designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator
>calls anyone else new

>>375896208
>finally nerfing earthshatter

thank god, the hit box on that shit was broken as fuck

>>375885926
>nerf Orisa's damage because it was doing too much damage
Who the fuck complained about it doing too much damage? Orisa loses to every tank except Rein

>>375896134
I've never had a problem with flankers as 76, is the thing. Helix rockets can pop squishies very easily, or at least set you up for a very easy tap. And your self heal means that unless they REALLY get the drop on you, you'll be fine.

With mcree, if you miss your FB, you're dead meat vs them.

Not to mention, Soldier at least has some long range tools (helix rockets, can gap close much easier).


76 just seems superior in long range and short range engagements, with Mcree barely beating him in the midrange if you have really good aim.

>>375889362
Sorry for talking about video games. Should I post loss?

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>>375885926
How much of a difference does one point of damage make? Does it miss an important breakpoint or something?

>>375896208
>https://pvplive.net/c/overwatch-ptr-patch-111-buffs-hanzo-nerfs-orisas


This is the stupidest patch I've ever fucking seen.

>Buffing Hanzo, who is a superior pick to widow in nearly every way already

>Nerf Orisa's terrible gun, and buff her already annoying barrier spam

>a micro level buff for a useless character

>Earthshatter change feels more like a bugfix than a nerf, still not addressing how rein is core on all maps

Does blizzard even play their own games? How could they miss the point on all this shit?

all this PTR does is make the pharah and mercy combo insanely more stronger than it already is. Although maybe bastion will be picked more now

>>375896463
20 damage bullets means Soldier needs 10 bodyshots to kill a 200 health hero
19 damage bullets means Soldier needs 11 bodyshots to kill a 200 health hero
Headshots go from 40 damage to 36 damage
It's minor but it adds up

Why are Overwatch players so retarded? They can't even fucking read

>>375896604
38 damage, I can't do math

>>375886860
>anything popular is shit

When will the memes end?

>>375896704
Who are you quoting?

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>new to the game
>/v/ and /vg/ tell me dont' be a faggot who plays Genji/Hanzo
>find Genji boring
>try Hanzo
>mfw

H-Help.

>>375892592
>Pharah will win against almost everyone at close range
How is blowing yourself up winning? Pharah isn't Junkrat, you know.

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>>375893138
>>get-out-of-jail free skill
Are you actually implying Shadow Step is worth a fuck of a shit?

>>375896768
If you don't play like a retard and get good at Hanzo then you'll hardcarry pushes.

>>375896885
Sorry, I meant Wraith Form.
Keep getting those faggoty names confused.

unlisted changes for PTR patch https://pastebin.com/NHzikuas

>cuckwatch again
I don't know why you retards shill this game. It was seen as a failure according to blizzard only surviving on microtransactions, it's hemorrhaging active players to the point where even Paladins has more active players than Overwatch

This dumb shit should be banned from /v/.

>>375893145
Sorry mate, next time Blizzars makes a competitive FPS they'll make it black, grey and brown and fill it full of your dumbfuck buddies who joined the army.

Will that make it mature enough for you?

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>>375885926
>Horsecock's M1 damage decreased by 15%
>But her shield is easier to use now :^3

then why don't I just fucking pick rein if all she's good for is her shield you shitheels

>>375896532
Their """"balance"""" philosophy/acts reminds me a lot of Wizards of the Coast in regards to Magic. It really seems like they don't play their own games at all, and just do fixes based on theorycrafting with insane "What if" scenarios attached.

>>375891140
>the entirety of a tank's health taken out in .3 seconds
yeah okay buddy

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>>375897117
BUT IT HAS WAIFUS AND HUSBANDOS ANON

>>375896604
No one even looks at the rest of his kit when discussing his damage. He can spit out that kind of damage WHILE healing himself building his ult twice as fast

>>375893145
t. gold

>>375885926
>5% damage nerf
wow its fucking nothing

>>375897117
>it's hemorrhaging active players to the point where even Paladins has more active players than Overwatch
t. puling numbers out of ass guy

>>375897770
it's an extra shot to solo kill anything

>>375893954
>broken as fuck
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm no?

>>375890646
>people aim good with McCree
>ITS NOT FAIR NERF HIM
>he gets nerfed
>two characters with autoaim gets a huge damage buff

Overwatch is shit.

why is overwatch so fun?

>>375897117
>>375897809
Yea, I'm gonna have to ask for a source on literally all of that, it sounds like complete bullshit.

The sheer amount of lunacy people display trying to paint Overwatch as anything less than a succesfull new IP is hilarious.

>>375897813
Given how he spits out bullets pretty fucking fast, that doesn't really change his TTK. It would be a big deal on someone like pharah with a slower rate of fire.

Nice DPS76 is now slightly less overpowered

>how to fix Reaper
Convert 50 of his HP to armor.

>how to fix Pharah
Add 50 HP of regenerating shield and tie her jetpack to it.

Now the game is 500% better.

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>>375888658
when ana's bullets went from 80 to 60 damage that opened up the game for pharahs to stomp games
From gold to GM pharah is really good rn because ana was her primary counter (yeah soldier and mccree are good but have range falloff)
3 shots from ana from either point blank or from across the map killed pharah
Now it takes 4 shots
Thats honestly game changing
At low ranks anas have bad aim and it doesnt matter, but at mid-diamond+ anas have good aim; even with hitscan a pharmercy can reek havoc

What is objectively the most worthless PotG?

>Symmetra running forward holding M1
>Torb smacking his turret
>Bastion doing anything

>>375897809
>>375897931
Blizzard said in an investors call that their Overwatch IP was underperforming and that their numbers has shrunk down to 30 000 concurrent players peaking per day on average

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>>375898131
>>Symmetra running forward holding M1
but it's so much fun!

>>375898162
It'd make sense since 9 times out of 10 an 11/12 game will get cancelled because it can't find a single person to join

>>375898069
nah reaper is fine
now that they gave him auto-reload on wraithform all he needs is a very slight boost on his range
Not a lot, that would make him too good; a very small distance increase on his shots in conjunction with reload-wraith will make him more seen in comp
DESU he's still only good on few maps; small maps with sharp corners

>>375898069
>le reapers problem is health meme
His problem is he's a worse Roadhog and does shit dps.

>>375898174
>OW has its own Pyro now

>>375898162
I wonder what their standards are. And if this is across all three platforms or per platform.

>>375898131
>Shutdown where Widow/Hanzo snipes ulting Pharah and then misses everything rest of the PotG

>>375898131
during season 2 it was:
>Reaper standing high ground with ult for like 2 seconds
>drop down nano-beyblade team-kill team
>emote
Now its either nano-visor or nano-blade and just hold down M1

>>375888906
There's no counterplay to it then, the ultimate is great if you can position yourself and play as a team.

>>375898216
It's not that it can't find a person, it's that the match making fucked up and accidently made an impossible to balance game from the player pool it pulled.

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>>375889896
don't worry anon most of V and VG are plat and below.....
Yeah Deadeye isn't as good as visor, but is sure can devastate an enemy team if used right, or hold enemies off a vital point

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>Symmetra has a bunch of shielding because he's a spiritual omnic
>Genji doesn't have armor despite being mostly cybernetic and all of his DPS being extremely close range

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>>375898335
A Pyro that can't miss once it's in range, gets a damage ramp up the longer they're dealing damage, and an on-command barrier to let them close the gap without taking any hits before they get in range

>>375898162
>30k per day average
>20k lower than TF2

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>>375898335
Pyro was never even that good, not to mention valve has done nothing but nerf him (the weakest character by far) into oblivion over the past few years.

They both die if you shoot them at all though, shocking!

>>375894093

Because you're a sap.

They made a game that requires two healers and give you three at launch. (two good ones, both dull as shit to play)

Paladins had 5, has 6 now and you need one.

Draft mode ensures that no one champion becomes so bullshit that they're first pick material.

Just realize that Blizzard was only good at making games when everyone else was shit, and even then their shit had problems.

>>375898130
Pharah is objectively bad.
A character that NEEDS another character to stay with it and support it for the entire duration of it's life is fucking sad.

They fucked her up by removing the knock back of her rockets.

now she's literally a giant slow flying hitbox.

>I haven't played her in a couple of months and i'm still in top 200 of that hero

>>375898738
overwatch is the first time i've ever given them money and it'll probably be the last

i knew how bad wow and hearthstone were, I don't know why I thought this would be any better

>>375898162
That isn't a source nigger.

>>375898738
im sorry you're garbage at the game
please go play COD or paladins

>>375898335
>now
But Genji was in the game since launch.

>>375898784
LOL
first of all:
A) stats do not matter at all in OW, performance (particularly under pressure) does
B) if you honestly think pharah is bad you're a shitter in gold or below. It's ok, not all of us can be master+

>>375898970
I'm grandmaster you cuck

>>375898842

What game?

There aren't meaningful choices to be made.

You are shoehorned into a select number of champions. It's more static than 6v6 in TF2.

You bought a game that should have been dead on arrival. You bought a game marketed as a hero shooter that launched with no variety or flavor in what actually works.

While competitors on a shoestring budget pump out balanced and interesting additions to the game, they fiddle with the numbers and break their shit with every patch.

It's why people play customs more than the actual game.

>It's another "I'm going to shitpost about comp rank" episode
you need to go back to dota, or whatever other cancerous moba you came from

>>375898784
>They fucked her up by removing the knock back of her rockets.
Pretty much this, now she's terrible at mid to long range, and lacks the health to survive close.

Literally can only compete with a pocket Mercy, and if the enemy has shit aim.

>>375899031
Not me.
>>375898970
I'm GM in several accounts, sorry to interrupt your shitposting

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>>375898130
This so much. Also the nerf to soldier's bullet spread that came with his damage buffs made it much harder to deal with pharah. Now that they're nerfing his damage i hope they tighten up his bullet spread so pharah can can be countered better.

>>375897901
McCree is still good, even in comp
The only difference between a good soldier and a good McCree is that McCree actually requires a healer to consistently heal you (which makes McCree a weaker pick in lower ranks because healers are retarded)

>>375899197
>has to enter hook range to be effective against Roadhog

Hanzo is better than McCree.

>>375899169
I'm sure you are bud, apparently 90+ % of VG is too lol
post your battletag

>>375890538
I've almost never gotten a McCree ult off
I've almost never had a McCree ult get off on my team

It's super easy to avoid

Soliders ultimate is meant to get 1-2 kills. Anything more than that is a bonus.

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Which overwatcher do you want to sit on your face, /v/?

>>375899328
None of them because OW has shit-tier Waifus.

I want Mag to sit on my face.

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>>375899326
one day you should stream your silver-gold ranked games for the lulz

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>>375889739
>>375889896

What exactly did they do to his ult?

His ult takes longer to lock on right?

>>375898663
>How many hanzos does it take to kill a single char?

>>375899328
I'd like waifufags to kill themselves. You're the cancer killing video games.

>>375899483
6, maybe more

>>375899469
His shitty Jack Black beard and edge-hat is what ruined it.

>>375899502
Comp shitters are the cancer killing this thread. It needs more waifus.

>>375899469
It was pretty poor from day one. But before if McCree got killed before he could fire he got 50% back. This resulted in it being high noon every 30 seconds or so, so it understandably got changed.

>>375899469
Its fucking worthless offensively to the point where people use it as an extra instant reload

If they wanted to fix it theyd make it so he doesn't slow down til hes locking on and doesn't glow like the sun

>>375889782
i don't get the picture

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>still no young white able-bodied male hero
>>>>>diversity

>>375899602
They should make it so heroes closer to him when he activates it have their bars increase quicker.

>>375899483
honestly scatter is the most broken move in the game
yeah ana nade is really game-changing, but a short cooldown that one shots squishy's by aiming at their feet is stupid af

>>375899646
White men are evil goym

>>375899725
It's balanced by Blizzard having no idea how to make proper map collisions and it hitting microscopic cracks in the ground or wood and scattering every direction.

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>>375899315
Don't really know why i'm proving it but here's your (You)

Been using this shit smurf to leave games to increase the time before delay hence the notification

>>375899646
McCree?

>>375899725
I seriously wonder what they were thinking when they made scatter arrow
>Hey, so what if we had a hero who can one-shot any non-tank hero without even seeing them, and it has less cooldown than the arrow he used to see them through the wall.

>>375899869
>37
>young
>prosthetic limb
>able-bodied
>brown eyes
>white

>>375890114
Oi, you are not supposed to use an ult on its own unless you are in Bronze. Zarya + Mccree from behind is a good example, or Rein + Mccree.

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>>375899857
that's not a battletag but that's a cute picture scrub

>>375899609
the cars on the right are heavy. /o/ like cars that are cute and lightweight.

>>375900097
>Calls me scurb
>Doesn't prove he's not a shit silver

lol

>>375900097
oh i didn't see your comment box
I still think you're retarded for not believing pharah's good

>>375899969
>magic cyborg hand that augments his aim and agility
>not able-bodied
He sure as fuck isn't disabled.

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>>375900097
Roadhog has some of the best opportunities for 20/10 skins.
Fan artists truly do bring out the best designs because they actually give a shit about the game

>>375899721
I though it was the cas already

>Earthshatter finally hits closer to the ground
It only took them fucking forever, holy shit. Earth is in the fucking name.

>>375896576
Unless Bastion starts healing himself or sits in in Sentry, pretty sure he'll die to two amped rockets. His spread's worse than 76's in Recon and you can forget about killing a Pharmercy who know what they're doing in Sentry.

>>375899328
roadhog

>>375900221
Technically being a smurf is being a scrub all by itself, so that anon is not wrong.

>>375900315
>magic wooden stick that allows cripples to walk at normal pace
>not able-bodied

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>>375900315
>augments his aim
>doesnt aim with that arm

The only practical purpose his arm serves is fanning the hammer without hurting himself

>>375900402
Sadly i have a girlfriend and some friends so to be able to play competitive i need a lower smurf

>>375900404
>comparing a cyborg hand to a stick

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>>375900567
>comparing a tool attached to your body to a biological extension of your body

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>shitties are unironically trying to say the second most used DPS in masters is bad
Loving every laugh.

>>375900549
That feeling I sadly know, being diamond with friends in gold or below. Still only play with them in QP and customs.

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>>375899857
here your proof im not a potato silver
props on GM; shits not easy

>>375900669
It requires another person to play mercy for it to be alive even one second, two heroes taken for 1 job very balanced

>dm bot wasn't changed in the slightest
Fucking nerf her DM, but make her useful elsewhere, can't believe how boring she is compared to any of her previous iterations.

>>375900758
the thing is, a good pharah+mercy can wreck a team, even at master+
is it worth 2 heroes if you can roll them?
i dunno, you ask me buddy

>>375890315
>REAPER BUFF
Finally!!!
>Genji buff
Small but undeserved
>Hanzo buff
Good, so they won't be as useless
>Rhein nerf
Good
>Orisa change
Eh, I don't know

Babbywatch casuals need to leave and stay on reddit. Now self respecting gamer with an ounce of skill plays this garbage

>>375900846
You see it the wrong way;

You pick Pharah which is a damage dealer and Mercy to heal her constantly, that means you've almost giving up one hero spot in the team to support another one.

At this point, the enemy team has the freedom of picking both Mcree and Soldier both of which can very easily take down Mercy and Pharah and also be overall very helpful to the team at the same time.

There is a reason why in almost every gm match i've been in, as soon as the enemy team kills pharah once or twice they switch, it's just too much effort, if it doesn't go amazingly well it's a drag down

>>375889362
>don't discuss video games on the video game board
End yourself, desu

>>375901048
mccree and soldier have fall-off on their damage. pharah does not.
yeah if the enemy team has impeccable aim and focusing you, switch. The best winstons in the world switch if the enemy has a good roadhog too. the game is about counters
But in soloQ teams aren't as coordinated, so pharah can run rampant in a lot of situations

>>375897071
>unlisted changes
Blizzard needs to stop doing that shit.

>>375890114
You know if you charge the mcree ult long enough first or second shot will break barrier and kill with rest, also the pure momentum a broken barrier will give

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Pharah/Mercy and Zarya/Symmetra are two of the most annoying fucking combos in the game to deal with.
It's not fucking fun to play against good Zaryas and M1 Symmetras, it's not fucking fun to have your aim rewarded with Pharah ducking out of sight for one second and coming back with full HP and OHK direct hits while also needing to focus on enemies on the ground harassing you.

>>375890919
but pharah CAN use her concussion blast to propel herself...
this is just a salty pharah "main" with 10h on her

>>375899646
>Characters are based around their nationality with a few exceptions
>Man I would sure love having 10 american/european stereotypes!
Also most characters in the game are white, there are 5 white males and 2 white females, there is also only 1 nigger and 3 characters are robots and therefore have no ethnisity

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people are unironically discussing "tactics" in a game like overwatch

>>375901583
>Brazilian character
>not white
>Moon character
>not white
>robots
>no ethnicity

>>375891812
>be me Zarya
>See Hanfag on ground
>thefuck are you doin here?
>badpositioning.exe
>walk towards him and spam RMB
>knockback makes him miss everytime
>Lolnoob
>close enough for some LMB action
>I'M A FIRIN MA LAZOR
>see him panic aim on the ground
>bubble myself
>free 40% charge
>fuck his shit up properly
>proceed to BM his little ass
>see half asian getting pinned and about to get smashed by tall german oldman with enormous hammer
>lolnope.jpg
>"arigato"
>70% Charge bois
>get quadkill
>thanks hanzo

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>>375901583
>Man I would sure love having 10 american/european stereotypes!

Yeah, just like a better game.

>>375901708
>badpositioning.exe
>Lolnoob
>I'M A FIRIN MA LAZOR
>lolnope.jpg

Fucking leave, nigger.

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>>375893138
>>get-out-of-jail free skill
where do you live?
enemy team or tank just follows you for 20 meters and hands your ass to you

>>375901708
Your formatting looks like 2009 /v/

>>375898174
now we're talking about broken

>Overnormie

You realize you're playing a game that's designed for chad q. Normie and Stacy C. Normie to play while they have sex? It's basically visual novel levels of playing itself.

Not to mention the incredibly slow walk speed, so even if you only die 2 or 3 times you spend over half the match walking back from spawn because they realized they had to make the characters move as slow as possible in order to allow little underages to be able to hit other players.

I went to my parents house this christmas and my little nieces and nephews are all under 14 and couldn't shut the fuck up about overwatch. I just kept thinking "these are the people who post in OW threads"

>>375901685
Soldier, Mcree, Reinhardt, Junkrat, Roadhog, Mercy and Zarya (inb4 she is Slav but that would still leave 6 white characters)
And yeah Robots dont have an ethnisity, its an fucking argument if they are conscious or not and they sure has hell arent alive in the normal sense

>>375901708
You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded

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>>375901976
>old
>old
>old
>insane and disfigured
>old and fag
>woman
>woman

Your argument is over, you lose.

>>375889739
Just give him back his 50% ult kept on ult cancel

That shit was great since you could just pressure with it all the time

>>375899159
>start to learn Pharah's shit
>the math of bumping enemies with recoil and then fucking them where they land is becoming a science
>then the patch came

I was absolute shit with her but I could make some things happen here and there. POTG and all that. Now it's just pissing in the wind.

>>375900330
it's based on amount of health.

>>375901761
>Comparing TF2 characters to Overwatch characters
Ofcourse the TF2 characters are better, there are 9 of them wich means they get way more attention the in overwatch wich started at 21 and gets more characters as time goes by

>>375901938
Coming up from the basement doesn't count as "going to my parents' house." mate.

>>375902157
They're better because they were designed with the best characterization in mind while Blizzard instead focused their priorities on appealing to as many demographics as possible.
Quantity is no excuse for lack of quality.

>>375901417
>phil lamarr (samurai jack) is on the right of that picture.

>>375902043
>Mcree is 37 or something
>This is old
You never had an argument to begin with
Also besides lucio and D.va what other characters are young? Maybe Gengi, but I doubt that give hanzo is 30 something

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>>375889739
>>375889992
>>375890114
>>375890150
yawn

>>375898069
>Pharah uses her health to jetpack
That is so stupid

>>375902295
>I just saved your ass you fucking train-nigger and don't you forget it

Raimi went too far with this in my opinion.

>>375902301
What's the age limit on enlistment? Stop posting.

>>375889739
>one second to lock onto squishies
>garbage

The problem is that everyone expects to get a fucking team wipe every single time they pop deadeye, so they try and wait until they finish the lock onto tankier heroes.

Learn to fucking use his ult right.

>>375902261
But it is, even if they didnt make characters that arent just nationalitys they still wouldnt have the money to get enough voice lines for fleshed out characters like in TF2, Overwatch characters are bearable because they are defined by just 1 thing and not everything at ones when there is no budget for that

>>375902497
>Blizzard wouldn't have enough money to pay literal-who voice actors

Guess Valve is just a better company with more success than Blizzshit.

>>375902308
See, this guy did it right.

He didn't wait to lock onto the tanks in front, he went straight for the squishies behind

One second later and he would've been slept by Ana

>>375902412
>Team of elites and wackjobs
>You play as some recruite even though overwatch got disbanded and isnt legal anymore the only new blood being Junk and Roadhog (insane) and Lucio and D.va (allready defined by being young making other young characters obsolete)

>>375902754
If you can't be enlisted you're not young, the military cuts off enlistment when your body begins to degrade and is no longer of value.
Learn to pick your arguments before popping off, butthole.

>>375902604
Never said blizzard was good, they probably dont want to spend to money but they sure as hell have it

>>375894095
>>375893743
Blizzard has removed flanking as per Reddit's request.

>Loud as fuck SFX, have to crawl to do any sneaky shit.
>Flanking routes are garbage in general or sometimes don't even exist
>If you even dare sneak up on a support backline the Ana will turn 180 degrees and use her free kill ability on you
>If she misses the dart she will just look down and throw a jar on her feet giving her an extra instant 100 hp while damaging you

>>375902802
>I made it clear that overwatch is not an official movement anymore
>You still asume it follows government rules
Are you even trying?

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>>375893974
Because Blizzard can't design maps worth a shit and everything is filled with chokepoints, and Rein is the chokepoint remedy.

On top of his shit Ult that's been nerfed into uselessness, McCree's also got a total waste of an ability in Roll.

Why does an anti flanker and mid range engager have
a> An inaccurate alt fire
this is a tank"buster"'s move, not necessary for a mid-range engager and squishy flanker hunter
b> a terrible mobility ability
the reload speed for Peacemaker is already quick, this is literally only an ability to chain between two FtH which is pointless to do because Tanks are so dominant a class they can out damage DPS in 1v1s every time

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>tfw you get cucked out of your PotG

>>375902954
I'd like for his roll to increase his mobility for like 3-4 seconds. Make him move around at Soldier 76 levels. Or...or maybe just take the cooldown from 8 seconds to 6 to see how that works.

remember if you fap to symmetra you're fapping to an autist

you're just holding m1 as junkrat and pharah just like symmetra except from a farther range.

I love McCree but I just fucking wish that Deadeye could pop shields and keep them disabled for a couple seconds instead of being totally useless when used against Rein/Winston/Osira/Zarya/D.Va

>>375899092
>People play customs more than the actual game

Horse shit, where are your statistics/sources nigger

>>375891284
scatter arrow at your feet is countered by jumping. that thing people spam all day in this game.

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>>375899949
>>375899725
>one-shots non-tanks
yeah, not like it can one-shot tanks at all
pic related

>>375900173
More like /o/ likes cars that are cheap and shit.

>Reaper "buff"
that's not a buff, just a little help

>>375901761
But TF2 is shit anon.

>>375903817
I've jumped and have still gotten fucked by Scatter Arrow.

>>375903841
what if all 6 are headshots?

>>375904010

read the ability again.

>>375903841
>>375904180
Did they change it? I remember it most definitely could headshot at some point in the past. But then again, I haven't played OW for months now.

How to balance tanks:

Make a character that deals damage based off of a percentage of health rather than a numerical value. That way they kill everyone equally as fast.

>>375904294
Someone who does percentage damage can never kill.

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>>375904294

>>375904294
No, cause then they'd dominate cause they'd kill DPS even faster

>>375904234
I can't recall that it ever headshot anyone.
I think it was always "Hurdurr I'll kill you by shooting the ground."

>>375904636
I remember seeing the headshot hitmark on Hanzo's kill cam after getting killed by the scatter shot.

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>>375899328
Thats a lesbian.

>>375902308
Nice bronze match.

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>>375904774
Yes, and?

>>375904695
the only way this could work would be:
>him being extremly lucky while you are in a small room
>him shooting the wall next to your head
>other scatter arrow dark magic that nobody, not even the developers, know about, except for hanzo mains above 666 hours.

>>375904437
>>375904582
Not that guy but what's wrong with a DoT that deals % of max health?
Maybe it should hinder either shields or healing.
>they'd kill DPS even faster
Why would that be the case? the damage would be absolutely shit against dps, almost non-existent on squishies

>>375902308
wow you got an ult off in quickplay nice

>>375904787
diamond, actually

>>375904997
it's clearly competitive

>>375904410
Is this bait or are you legit retarded?

>>375904410
If they do 100%, they can.

>>375904294
>make a character

why not just add that as a change to reaper lmao

>>375890990
just jump and powerbomb her, that suit doesn't stop grapple attacks

>>375889896
>turns into a slow moving glowing target
>screams his location
>can be easily stopped by ANY wall in the game
>can be shot back at him with no ways to defend himself
>not garbage

>>375905539
>what is almost every offensive ultimate in the game

>>375905641
>being this bronze

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>>375905539
soldier
>turns into glowing target
>screams his location
>easily stopped by any wall
>team behind barrier cann shoot back at him with no ways to defend himself
>not garbage
phara
>stand completly still
>scream location
>literal 1shot kill for snipers
>stopped by walls
>not garbage
roadhog
>already giant target
>close range ult, can be destroyed on longer ranges
>easily stopped by walls and any kind of cc
>not garbage

>>375906019
I guess the main difference that you've been avoiding is that those ults put out damage even if the user ends up dying quickly, wherein mccree's can easily amount to nothing given a single succulent genji

>>375906019
>soldier
>can sprint
>can heal
>can right click
>isnt actually surrounded by a pillar of light
>sombra ult doesnt take him out of ult either

>pharah
>get one zarya bubble and you cant die
>usually gets a couple kills anyway (unlike mccree ult)

>hog
>great at busting shields
>ana can easily heal him through it
>can push team back giving your team breathing room

>>375906272
McCree has a higher reward for the risk, though.

Just look at >>375902308

4 kills in one second. Didn't even have to be in melee range like reaper or something like that.

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>>375906019
>whole hog
>easily stopped by walls

>>375906541
an attentive team would've had a hook/sleep/shield in a competitive scenario though.

>>375907124
The UI clearly shows that it's a competitive game.

Ana could've landed a sleep too.