Is Shin Megami Tensei I any good?

Not really. Play it anyways so you can pretend it is and call people casuals.

>>375859669
Not by today's standards, but if you can actually rate it fairly based on the year it came out in, pretty damn good.

>>375859669
No, this thread will soon fill up with anons that will say it is though.

It's got funky music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQF1G9mBoyY

No, battles are extremely boring because enemies quickly cease to pose any threat to you, yet you're forced through a completely batshit insane amount of them until you get the spell that lets you walk more than two steps before running into a demon.

>>375859669
It doesn't really matter, it's old as fuck. If you are thinking about playing it, do it with a guide.

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No. Give it a try just in case

Navigation's a bitch, difficulty is all over the place, and the pace is so slow

Just listen to the music.

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>>375859669
I enjoy SMT, but I'd say it isn't worth playing. That doesn't mean it isn't an interesting game; there are elements in it - particularly the story, characters, dialogue, soundtrack, and demon designs - that are good. The issue is that they're mired in an outdated dungeon crawler and wastes such a preposterous amount of time that you'll undoubtedly feel disgusted with yourself for having played it.
>Enemy encounters are 90% trivial wastes of time
>Combat is unsatisfying excepting boss battles
>Dungeon crawling is non-functional, half the environments will leave with you lingering depression and are hell if you're the type of person who prefers to check every corner
>UI is clunky, virtually no quality of life features
>Everything takes a ridiculous amount of time: encounters, fusing, navigation, even leaving a room with NPCs in it

I'd recommend watching an efficient longplay if you're interested in it at all.

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>>375860157
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS7ipOD6HbE

>>375861037
Now imagine listening to this for all eternity as you wander down dead-end hallways that you swear you've already been down 10 times

I'll be a contrarian casual and say no too.

It's pretty good, except for the encounter rate and labyrinthine dungeons

the OST is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSa0Ut9GPg
You now realize they remixed this in SMT4 for the Ginza secret shop.

loved the music and the closed corridors had an eerie feel to it, but dropped it after 30 hours or so, it's just too damn repetitive and once you get the Zio spell, the challenge is gone

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Use the automap and your friends map spell.
Enjoy your friends. Friends are precious. Don't come to Shinjuku tomorrow.

>>375861357
Is Estoma in the game?

>>375859669
SMT is def doable but it can be slow at times.
SMT2 tho is where it's at. Ignore persona shitters saying not to play it.

>>375861535
Yes. It's incredibly useful.

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>>375859928
>this much projecting

>>375861492
>shocks u
>freezes u
>sleeps u

>>375861239
enjoying tedium does not make you hardcore

>>375861643
I enjoyed SMT1 far more than 2.
2 was better mechanically and visually, but the story was retarded in my eyes, Lucifer's funhouse makes Sector Prepare Your Anus look like a walk in the park and the music is just thousand times worse than SMT1 especially the most important themes aka world map and battle.

>>375861438
>this video contains content from Victor Entertainment, Inc.. It is not available in your country
explain.

>>375859928
fpbp

>>375861808
What kind of subhuman shithole do you live in?

>>375861889
America

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The encounter rate is insane but once you get used to it it's a pretty addictive game, at least for me it was. Feel free to abuse turbo.

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>>375861939
Pffffffffffffff

>>375861979
Well time to rewatch Nichibros

>>375859669
Are the SMT games all connected in some way?

Is demon summoning the only thread?

>>375862147
II is a sequel to I's neutral ending.
IV: Final is a pseudo-sequel to IV's neutral ending.

>>375861003
You just described every SMT games outside the Persona series (wich starts on the third)

SMTI is great at music, boss battles, some dungeons, story. I had a blast, battles are great, and i think it made me appreciate the improvements SMTII did.
If you're new to the series it's not really recommendable to play SMTI right away

>>375862246
So 3 is entirely detached?

What about the persona series? Or Nocturne?

Aren't they're 20+ installments in the SMT series?

>>375861123
I know, great, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NaWKq5Jk-M

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>>375862147

>>375862434
They're connected in crazy ways, see >>375862448 though it is a tad outdated and makes pointless separation between original releases and re-releases.

>>375862434
Nocturne is SMT3. It is pretty detached from the other numbered titles in its continuity, yeah.

>>375859669
for a SNES game its really out there and isnt like anything else, the worst automap of all time combined with the most brutal encounter rate of all time make it hard to stomache for most people though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wUxnLJFMbA

anyone else played smt imagine jp?

>>375862434
Nocturne and SJ are outside staples of the series like alignments and demon summoning, continuity doesn't matter in this series to be honest, which is why you should mostly ignore the Amala Network map some other anon posted.
All the Persona games are connected.
No, there are different Megaten series like Persona or Devil Survivor that are not SMT. SMT has like 6 games or so.

>>375862448
Jesus Christ.

>>375862525
Do they all occur in the same world, or are they reflections or alternate versions of a similar world?

>>375862697
Most of them occur in the same world, basically the timeline spawned by Temple Knight Raidou going back in time is all in the same world barring what happens at the end of Persona 2 Innocent Sin.

>the only translation patch is for the SNES version
>not the GBA or the PSX

>>375862840
technically the GBA version is translated

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I'm playing through SMTII, it's fun but incredibly dated.

Somehow I feel like the first one was easier to get through, but that might be just my shitty memory.

Use buffs, shoot everyone, don't forget to get the patch by Orden, abuse the emulator fast forward and it's ok to check a guide if you have absolutely no idea where you're supposed to go.

>>375862840
SNES versions of SMT1 and 2 are objectively superior to GBA ones which are locked at 15 FPS, have awful music and butchered visuals.
Literally the only good thing about them, namely the visionary items (which are LITERALLY just black screen text dumps) were translated by /smtg/ and are in their pastebin. There's 0 reason to play the GBA turds even if you know Japanese.
PS1 had attempt at translating it but the programmer wasn't skilled enough and nobody else wanted to help.

>>375862823
I really appreciate the information but that means nothing to me.

I just thought it would be weird that school kids with stands can solve crime in a world where DOOM happened on Mac PCs and a little fiend boy in demi-shorts killed God

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>tfw even if If... will ever get translated we still won't get Hazama's Chapter
>mfw

SMT I and II are games that were downright groundbreaking for the time they came out but are pretty dated in today's standards. Your better off with the later games.

>>375863194
Nocturne isn't in the same timeline as Persona, neither is SMT1.
Read the chart posted here >>375862448 It's not perfectly accurate but you will get the rough gist of it.

Long story short, SMT2 is a direct sequel to SMT1. After SMT2, they made SMT If... which as the name implies, is a What If scenario stemming from the original scenario, namely "What if demon invasion and thus the ensuing nuclear armageddon never happened?"
And it rolls from there. Then later on in PS2 Raidou games they revealed that the SMT If... timeline was spawned by a random NPC from SMT2 who happened to be a future descendant of the Raidou family line who went back to change the future.
Kind of like Future Trunks in Dragon Ball Z.

>>375862840
I think the mobile version of SMT1 has GBA visuals and PS1 OST

>>375863768
That's correct. It's still inferior to SNES, especially consdering that a lot of people actually find the PS1 music to be inferior to SNES due to becoming less about Synth and more about Rock.

I really enjoyed SMT1, I don't get why people say it's bad or "outdated".

>>375863196
Me on the left, losing my religion

>>375863862
Because it is and I say this as someone that loved the game.

>>375863862
>MC can't use magic
>random encounter rate of the 90's
>no accessible map
If you have to play one of the 2D dungeon crawlers in the series, it should be Strange Journey

>>375863862
I hate the "outdated" excuse too. It just seems like an excuse to not bother with retro games, even though the games are perfectly fine.
Then again I never played SMT1, I was going to marathon SMT1 and 2 after I finished the Persona 2 duology.

>>375863520
Yeah, the fact that they're not together I understand but that was my first impression.

This clears it up quite a bit. Thank you.

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https://youtu.be/NFjnPPZi_nA

bring my nigga masuko back

Why does it feel so fucking long? I think I was like a couple hours away from Tokyo Land and I just quit. Pick it up a couple days ago after I updated to Ord patch/fresh save and the game is just as long and confusing as ever.

>>375862697
It that weird multiverse shit going on so yeah.

>>375864583
Encounter rate and fucking dark rooms.

>>375864391
>Hero died in a cave and had his soul trapped within a fucking statue

Fucking

>>375863924
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try

>>375863520
>. Then later on in PS2 Raidou games they revealed that the SMT If... timeline was spawned by a random NPC from SMT2 who happened to be a future descendant of the Raidou family line who went back to change the future.

Wrong.

>>375865728
Not a random NPC, but I think Raidou XL comes from the time after Japan get nuked

>>375864107
>marathon SMT1 and 2
Some Buda level of patience right here

It's downright appalling how bad the translations for SMT1/2 are.

>>375866008
The tedium of SMT games is almost therapeutic for me, especially if you put on ambient music in the background.
It also fits with /f/-tier Loop music cause the games are partially cyberpunk

>>375859669
Yes and no.
Story is good, the gameplay is decent and once you get use to the first person view and dungeons looking samey it's decent. Plus you'll learn about alice the best smt demon.

The encounter rate is a cunt. It does.the opposite of modern gaming too. Bosses are piss easy while enemies are harder.

If youre playing I suggest recruiting enemies from the area youre in so you can get out of fights easier.

Also the Ordan English patch is best as ot uses modern smt spell and item names.

>>375866278
What's wrong with them?

>>375866874
not him but after donating enough to a church in SMT1 the game's text shat itself and the screen glitched out. No crash but still, its got some jank.

And this is on the BETTER patch

>>375866008
When I replay the series I tend to.do Smt play another game, then smt 2.

I used action replay codes for 999hp/999mp for allmy characters/demons on my second playthrough.


What do you guys call your "heroes"?
MC-Fargo
LC-Dresd
CC-Fargo
Heroine- Anderson.

>>375867170
Meant Rico for Chaos.

>>375859669
I actually just finished it like 3 days ago. The encounter rate and dungeons suck, but other than that it's a fun game.

>listen to.the soundtrack its great
>cant hear it because of beep everytime i use the menu, which is every 2 seconds thanks to encounter rate.

>>375861532
The original chaos guy is just a fucking douche /k/ nerd in a coat that REALLY doesn't fit him. Makes sense, kinda.

>>375863862
you cant call it outdated when console DRPGs of the same period had adequate auto maps and random encounter rates slower than once every 3 steps

Real talk: the best experience I've had with smt games were SMT1, Nocturne, Soul Hackers and SJ.

All the others were ok/good but those were the most memorable for me.

Pro-tip: hit-all status effect bullets will save you tons of time in SMT1

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>>375866874
Text is cutoff everywhere. In SMT1 you can't buy guns in the first half of the game and it's impossible to get baptized by either Law or Chaos and the Law path is impossible to finish in general. SMT2's demon conversations are fucked beyond all recognition.

>>375865728
>Wrong.
Not wrong though.
It's explicitly said to be Raidou XL but it also says he was a literally who random Temple Knight in SMT2. For fucks sake, you never even meet him in SMT2 to begin with, it's literally just an asspull character.

>>375864074
>>MC can't use magic
That's cool though. His magic was summoning demons and otherwise he was just a human doing his best with awesome apoc tech. I'd kill for another smt with a regular human and magic gf again.

>ITT retards shitting on translation without understanding what the difference between translation and programming is
>the same retards that don't even know that /smtg/ fixed programming errors in BOTH SMT1 and SMT2 as far back as 2011
Please kill yourselves, you don't deserve to breathe.

>>375868051
In the new patch i was able to buy guns during 19xx

>>375868081
>you never even meet him in SMT2

That's why the statement is wrong. Calling him an NPC from 2 is factually incorrect.

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>>375862296

>>375867048
Sounds like an emulator problem on your end, I played the entire game with Orden's patch (and Automap bound to R button patch) and it was flawless on SNES9x

>>375868185
It took a fucking decade for it to be fixed by a third party. Absolutely pathetic.

>>375868317
I want to fuck Kawakami.

>>375868216
I said what the game says. The game says that he was in SMT2 but was a literally-who tier character ergo NPC. Basically you can pretend that one of the tens of nameless Temple Knights you talk to in SMT2 was Raidou XL.

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>>375859928
Fuck you I'll do exactly that.

>>375862434
SMT If is a spinoff of SMT 1 in a hyphotetical scenario where nukes never happened.
Persona 1 and 2 are direct sequels to If, since characters from If appear in those games.
According the developer interviews, all games in the persona series take place in the same universe.
So yes, Persona and SMT are the same universe no matter how much /v/ kicks and screams. At least for the first two entries.

>>375868468
That's not what an NPC is.

He never appears, is mentioned, or was even thought of when SMT2 came out. Referring to him as an NPC from that game is both wrong and stupid.

>>375868573
>at least for the first two entries.
3 technically, since 1 and 2 happened in the same universe on the same earth, just in a different timeline.
Heck, start of SMT1 still happens in the If.../Persona timeline, it's just that Gotou and Thorman are stopped before SHTF can happen.

>>375868684
You literally have autism.

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>>375866278
>>375868051
>>375868354
I think what's more pathetic is the fact that Atlus hasn't localized SMT2 yet. It's a numbered entry in the franchise, and it had a huge impact on the series. Why the hell are they not bothering to localize it? Also, SMT1 will no longer work as of iOS 11. So basically both games will now be unplayable except through a fantranslation.

SMT I and P4G are the best MegaTen games.

>>375868345
but anon

I use SNES9x

To be fair its an optional scene anyway

>>375868354
Could be worse. FE5 is still broken in menus

>>375868780
buy persona you goy

>>375867048
>>375866278
The Ordan patch fixes all the shit wrong with it thankfully. It's in the /smtg/ pastebin iirc.

>>375868780
Probably no money to be mad localizing it.
Releasing 1-3 on P5s engine though, with Nocturne's Cel-shading would be interesting to say the least, but always a dream.

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>>375868780
>Also, SMT1 will no longer work as of iOS 11
When is that happening? I'm in the cathedral, but have my phone to my mum whilst I'm away at uni

>>375868780
I'm pretty sure the whole reason they ported 1 was to promote IV/IVA
no real reason left
1 still works despite the OS warnings

>>375868729
A better man would admit they were wrong and move on instead of slinging memes.

Raidou XL is not a character in SMT2. Therefore, he's not an NPC in SMT2. Inarguable.

>>375869098
You are LITERALLY arguing semantics based on wording you autistic shitfuck, get caner and die already cause you literally didn't even fucking understand the context of the original post. News flash, autistic inbred cumslurpers have problems understanding context and are often obsessive over irrelevant shit.
Just like you are now, autismo.

>>375869213
You're being more autistic than he is dude, and you're wrong. Saying stuff like that will mislead people into thinking there is an NPC like that in SMT2 when there never was one. Nigger

>>375868780
Because the iOS localization of SMT1 is censored (thanks to Apple Store policies), some dialogue was removed entirely (dialogue boxes are skipped) and it was translation of borderline the worst version of the game on a platform that most of the world doesn't even own because Android outnumbers iOS greatly.

>>375869315
Thanks for not reading the original post and having 0 reading comprehension you samefagging inbred.

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>>375868984
>When is that happening?
Apparently fall of this year. You'll be OK as long as you don't update though.

>>375869017
1 works for now. When iOS 11 drops, it won't work anymore. That's because it's a 32 bit app, and Apple will only support 64 bit apps from iOS 11 onwards.

>>375859669
For it's time. Fusing demons is alot more restrictive than it is now, but it's still fun.

I love SMT1, although 2 is my favourite. There is just so much about the games that is fucking cool.

That being said there are significant portions of both the you need to play on an emulator at 10x speed because they are so tedious (slogging through random encounters is a breeze with speed up + auto battle). Just focus on what is awesome about the games (designs, atmosphere, music, story) and you'll enjoy demon-filled 199X.

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>>375869438
Don't worry mommy will give you tendies soon sweetie ;)

>>375869213
What semantics? You said Raidou XL is a character in SMT2, and you're wrong. That's all there is to it.

>>375869579
>being so desperate that you shoop now
Lmaoing @ ur lyf

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>>375869697
>this mad that you're wrong and won't admit it
Get gud kidd0

>>375859669
It''s literally a sci-fi dungeon crawler game that is pretty much pokemon combined with undertale except it came out before both of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re4lGq79cwk

>>375869613
That's not what I said at all, I'm sorry you can't read.

>>375868916
I'm on the Orden patch

>>375869785
>le smug le animu le girl
GET

CANCER

AND

DIE

DIE

DIE

MOTHER

FUCKER

DIE

ALREADY

SHIT

FUCK

DIE

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>>375869892

I want to get in the Persona series, does the first Persona have a good translation?

>>375869983
All of them have good translation as long as you avoid the PS1 translation of Persona 1 which was the only one with bad translation.

>>375869320
There is no censorship in the iOS version of the game. The truth is that the fantranslation added a lot of of shit into the game that wasn't in the Japanese version. Then when Atlus translated the game correctly, people screamed censorship.

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>>375869892

>>375869983
The PS1 Revelations translation is the best translation.
It even has a lowered encounter rate and ht egame is generally more bearable.

>>375870118
Factually wrong faggot, it does have censorship in form of removing and toning down a lot of shit.

https://jurakubookstore.blogspot.ca/2014/05/megaten-and-discourse-by-three.html

https://jurakubookstore.blogspot.ca/2014/06/megaten-and-yukio-mishima-lets-play.html

https://jurakubookstore.blogspot.ca/2014/07/translation-talk-and-aeon-genesis.html

https://jurakubookstore.blogspot.ca/2014/08/extra-chapter-fighting-gotou-and.html

https://jurakubookstore.blogspot.ca/2015/05/megaten-and-shugendo-lets-play-shin.html

>>375869983
PSP version of Persona 1 has good translation
PS1 version was localised poorly and attempts to portray the story as taking place in America, also cuts a significant amount of content.

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>>375869797
Seems pretty clear cut to me.

>>375869789
SMT1 isn't really sci-fi at all.

>>375870240
>lying this fucking hard
Jesus christ, why do you retards always try to shit on new players so hard instead of helping them out?

>>375862296
Except Devil Survivor doesn't use dungeon crawling, and the other points there don't particularly apply to it. I will admit that at least half of the battles in DeSu 1 are pretty interchangeable, but other than that Devil Survivor's battles are pretty good.

just the concept behind SMT1 was great
>7+ orcs *blocks your path*
>pull out an MP5 and slaughter them

>>375870342
Except in the context of what it says he was essentially a random NPC, do you even know what a random NPC is? A random NPC is an unnamed character that you will never pay any attention to since, hurr durr, it's a random NPC.
Raidou simply says one of those random NPCs happened to be important. There are A METRIC FUCKTON OF TEMPLE KNIGHTS IN SMT2, TEMPLE KNIGHTS YOU DO TALK TO. SOME THAT EXPLICITLY SAY THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH HOW CENTER IS RUNNING THINGS.
Why is it so fucking hard to comprehend for you that one of those Temple Knights happened to be Raidou XL?
Faggot.

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>>375870270
>http://jurakubookstore.blogspot.com/2014/07/translation-talk-and-aeon-genesis.html
Lmao, did you even look at the links you posted. He says here that he got several things wrong and that the translation that Atlus made was accurate. He also says that the fantranslation made up lots of shit. It's exactly what I've been trying to tell you.

>>375870504
Shit like that is part of the SMT series's charm in general.

>>375870694
He also says Atlus made a lot of questionable translation decisions and toned down a lot of things, how about you read it all?

ONE MORE TIME

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>>375867923
Nothing screams Chaos louder than a bullied school shooter

>>375867923
>bullied nerd with school shooter potential
>doesn't fit "Chaos"
u wot m8

Do I really have to bring up Columbine? I guess I just did.

>>375870603
>A random NPC is an unnamed character

So you're saying that Raidou XL does, in fact, appear in SMT2? When?

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>>375870786
>He also says Atlus made a lot of questionable translation decisions and toned down a lot of things, how about you read it all?
Yes, he said so in his previous articles. In the one I put in my post, he admits that he got that wrong because he was just comparing the fantranslation to the iOS version without looking at the Japanese script.

>>375871158
>So you're saying that Raidou XL does, in fact, appear in SMT2? When?
You talk to plenty unnamed Temple Knights, it's one of them, we don't know specifically which one :^)

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>>375861532
>Law: nicest guy you will ever meet
>Chaos: twisted fucking psychopath

It's an improvement over the original megami tensei games but that's not saying much

>>375871242
A shame they both become shit due to manipulation from Angels and Lucifer respectively.
Law Hero even thanks you for killing him and thus freeing him from brainwashing.
Chaos Hero just kind of dies and that's it.

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>>375871242
>Neutral: suffering incarnate

>>375861532
>>375871242
Savor this moment, lawfags, this is the ONLY time in the series that the law hero has a better design than the chaos hero.

>>375871234
That's retarded and reeks of fanwaking. Why can't you just accept that you're wrong?

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>>375859669
It's pretty good if you enjoy old RPGs, if you cant stand it don't bother.

>>375871509
>Fanwanking
>Raidou 1 game explicitly says that is the case
>Fanwanking
lmaoing @ ur lyf

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why are smt threads so autistic lately

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>>375871482
Slav>Spic

>good thread
>some random autist triggers his superautism and starts a discussion that derails the thread
why does this happen every time?

>>375871482
>only
>what is SJ

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>>375871581
>lately

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>>375871401
Lawfag just dies and faces the fact that he was a mere sacrifice.

>>375862246
Wow you really don't know shit huh
I bet you were too deaf to hear the music in SMT IV to have bits of I here and there

FUCKING YURIKO DUDE HOLY SHIT DID YOU EVEN PLAY SMT I

>>375871981
Chaos was suprisingly nice

>>375871554
So which Templar is it? Do we meet literally every single one in the game? How do you know Raidou XL didn't do the whole time travel thing a few years before SMT2?

You don't. That's why saying he's a character in SMT2 is retarded and wrong.

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>>375871981
Chaos Hero...had a hard life.
HE ALSO STOLE MY DEMON.

>>375872046
What the fuck are you talking about you pathetic maggot? How does IV being highly influenced by I make them connected in any way?

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>>375871959
>>375871603
Rad tats>>>>>>>lady gaga.

>>375872241
the only good chaos demon at that point is mononofu and he's in shinjuku anyway
though it was bullshit how he left immediately after ozawa

>>375859928
t. assraped casual

>>375872278
>YURIKO
>blasted Tokyo literally HAPPENS in SMT I

>>375860637
>Be Bill Nye
>World gets nuked, followed by global flooding
IT'S PROVEN SCIENCE NOW

>>375871242
law hero is a bro

>>375872493
yuriko dies in smt1, you retarded fuck.

and okay, yes, blasted tokyo is smt1, sure, believe it if you will (even if it makes no fucking sense). smt4 is then explicitly stated to be set in a different world than blasted or infernal tokyo, so you're still retarded.

>>375872493
>Yuriko
Different character with a completely different design, goals and death.
>blasted Tokyo literally HAPPENS in SMT I
No it doesn't, it gets nuked but not to the point of being a radioactive wasteland like Blasted. I don't know if you're messing with me or you're just stupid but stop it.

>>375872449
>try to kill Ozawa
>chaos hero steps in and does it himself
>insults me for being too weak
Fucking Chaos Hero

>>375872146
Game explicitly says it happened during early days of SMT2 so it couldn't have been before SMT2. Also Aleph is Center's poster boy in the early days of SMT2 so it makes sense he'd meet most of them.

>>375872885
his level is like 10 more than yours at that point so it makes sense for his agi to be higher

>>375872401
>lady gaga
Don't insult Zelenin who actually has aryan features (sharp jawline, bright blue eyes and blonde hair) vs that racemixed brunette trash that is Lady Gaga.
Also you're clearly a spic for actually thinking that subhuman spic Stupei > Zelenin
And I say this as a neutralfag.

captcha: mexico junior
Couldn't be more appropriate.

>>375872493
It's not the same event nigga.
The demon counter force doesn't exist in SMT1 and Masakado is still imprisoned, they are different universes.

SMTIV is practically a reboot, since it takes elements from both SMTI and II.
But since this is a multiverse universe no one really cares much about.

>>375873058
He pumped VIT in my playthrough I just did.
He's a retard.

>>375872493
You cumslurper, SMT4 is a soft-reboot that just massively borrows from SMT1 and a bit from SMT2.
And Apocalypse then massively borrows from SMT2 and SMT3.
It's intentional since those games were aimed at introducing new audiences to the franchise while having tongue in cheek "I Understood That Reference" aspect for veterans.

Which is also why I always recommend people to replay SMT4 and SMT4A in the future after playing SMT1-3 if 4 and 4A were their first SMT games.

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>>375873095
Whatever you say, /pol/

>>375873435
Go away Waruo's reincarnation, you're just a shadow of your original SMT1 self.

>>375872932
>Game explicitly says it happened during early days of SMT2

Wrong.

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What became of her in the end?

>>375873667
Hero's cumslut until he dies

>>375873667
She was Hero's waifu, we don't know what happened to her after Hero died though.
Aleph's mother is the better waifu anyway.

>>375868179
well SJ's protag is just a dude with future tech and the ability to summon demons as well

I enjoyed SMT1 for what it was but probably wouldn't have finished it without the ability to speed it up on an emulator.

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>>375873539
Fuck you, Hoy is a miracle of the universe.
But considering he went completely off the rails after meeting lilith is quite tellling.

I want a remake of SMT1+2 on Persona 5's engine with Nocturne style graphics and Press Turn. Shame that if it did ever happen Doi would redesign all the characters and quite possibly the major demons.

>>375874261
>>375874261
(Wa)ruo
(Wa)ruta

(Yo)shio
(Yo)natan

(Fu)tuso
(Fu)rin

Blown away yet?

>>375874261
>side with Jonathan because fuck Mikado society
>find out that Lilith's master plan is to open a portal to Hell and let demons kill everyone
>Jonathan is okay with this
And so I ended up Neutral.

>>375874425
Futsuo*
typo

>>375874362
Doi's redesigns would be fine though, his art is the closest we have to Kaneko's style.
Protip, the 3DS SJ redesigns aren't by Doi which is why they look like shit.

>>375859669
CAN YOU CRUSH THIS ROCK WITH YOU HANDS YOU PIECE OF SHIT?

>>375859669
SMT1 is fucking awful

>>375874464
I actually went with Johnny first time around, because as sketchy as the angels were I trusted Lilith even less, also she kinda caused the destruction of my home so you know.

>>375874527
*Has STR 20*
*Crushes Rock*
What now puny demon?

>>375874819
>Jack frost is laughing at you

are agi gun skill builds in smt iv worthless? asking because I already got into the game a good portion, and think I fucked up for late game

>>375874362
>Shame that if it did ever happen Doi would redesign all the characters and quite possibly the major demons.
Doi literally fixed the designs from IV.

>>375874895
*whips out dicks*

Its dated but its got a great soundtrack story and atmosphere.

The encounter rate is asshole but get a salamander from rag's jewlery for estoma. KMT >SMT 2 > SMT

fact

>>375874947
Post stats.
As long as you focused on one stat that isn't str you are fine in IV.

To add to what >>375875037 said, while STR is bad in 4, it's the best endgame stat in 4A (and basically all other mainline except SJ).

>>375859928
This. I seriously hope no one actually plays games for fun. That would be really embarrassing if you did.

>>375874947
as long as you didn't put any points in str you're fine

>>375859928
>t. average personafag

>>375875023
Not storywise, storywise I personally rate then SMT > SMT2 > MT1 > MT2
You shouldn't group MT1 and MT2 as KMT in game ratings btw.

>>375859669
the entire SMT series is basically like if Sega decided that Phantasy Star 1 was good enough and just kept doing that over and over and over while adding more enemies.

>>375874495
>>375874957
I like Doi and all, and would be happy to see more of him moving forward, I would just prefer an HD SMT1+2 to be primarily based off of Kaneko's designs. At the very least we need to go back to classic Lucifer and Archangels, thank P5 for that. (I know that Doi wasn't the one who fucked them up, of course, in fact his Lucifer is much better than IV but still not right).

>>375875123
Just started IVA

What should my build be? Wanted to go magic again, but you just made me question it

>>375860035
This.

>>375875281
The gameplay in Apocalypse is a vast improvement over the original SMT, though.

>>375875158
>>375875037
meant to say dex build whoops
st: 28
dx:59
ma:20
ag: 31
lu: 31
level 24, just got to killing the corpses in shinjuku

>>375875379
world of strength.

>>375874632
This.

>>375875232
I only played MT1 in KMT (in sea of flames fuck this area is hell) and forgot MT2 was a thing. Story wise yea ill agree SMT 1 is better then 2. Its opening is fucking amazing and I dont think another Snes game comes close to its atmosphere other then super metriod (and SMT 2 ofc)

>>375875281
>press turn
>smirk
>all those fusion mechanics
>removal of random encounters

>>375875379
Always World of STR.
Does anyone have that image of Demifiend and chiaki that says do you even know the meaning of world of STRENGTH

>>375875302
The reason they had different designs in SMT4 was because it was a soft-reboot of the series and the "important" demons in that one were deliberately shown with different designs to show they aren't the same Lucifer and Angels as we know from previous entries which are confirmed to be the same entities in SMT1, SMT2, SMT3 and SJ.

Doi was also the one who redrew Kaneko's art for portaits in Persona 2 in case you didn't know and he did incredible job with that.

Doi was also literally raised as Kaneko's apprentice and is the next best thing we have next to Kaneko. If they made SMT1/SMT2 remake it would still be using the original Kaneko designs, just redrawn by Doi in the more modern art style like he did for P2.

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SMTV when?

>>375875379
World of STR.
Once you get Pierce (which is endgame) you will be able to punch everything to death. SMT4 stats were broken and 4A basically fixed them.
4A has inferior music and story, but fixed almost everything wrong with SMT4's gameplay.

>>375859669
It had some good concepts like sparing enemies in an RPG but it's incredibly dull and will certainty find a way to make you bored and want to stop playing.

>>375875453
Could be better, just stick to dex, and ag and lck and you will be fine.
I would recommend,
3/1/1 and occasionally 1/2/2

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>>375875580
This one? I love it.

>>375875539
My main problem with SMT2 is that it was too out there with crazy religious shit that I couldn't relate as well as with SMT1 anymore.
SMT1 was like STALKER/Metro 2033 except in Japan and with demons instead of mutants, presented in JRPG format.
SMT2 just doesn't have that atmosphere and is way too biased towards Law dominating the story in general. Also Hell having objectively shit tedious dungeons didn't help either and made me (unfairly) hate Chaos even more in that game.

>>375875720
>4A has inferior music
But most of the IVA tracks are from smt IV and all the new tracks that were added were all godslayer-tier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPm3dVPIcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6otUQSTdc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwgXCnEy0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5XZzTq_gzI&t=5s

>>375875616
>Doi was also literally raised as Kaneko's apprentice and is the next best thing we have next to Kaneko.
hmm so that's why his art is the best after kaneko's

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>>375875905
Exactly, thanks mate.

>>375875931
But SMT2 is the best precisely because of all the insane religious fare. Getting to btfo YHVH is one of the highlights of the franchise.

Also true neutral every game.

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rate my shin megami tensei i character /v/.

>>375861772
>>375872478
>>375875213
>proving his point

>>375859669
It was one of the best Wizardry clones for its time.

>>375876260
Magic will never hurt you ever again

Anyone here beat Masakado in the SMTIV dlc? Any tips?

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>>375876129
Haven't you noticed how Doi's art is also very similar to Kaneko's style? The facial expressions, the way he shades the bodies, the way he draws eyes, eyelashes and feet and so on?
Heck, there's also this art piece drawn by Doi that looks Kaneko as fuck.

>>375875720
>inferior music
Final has the most comfy song in SMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPm3dVPIcE

>>375876074
I'm only judging the new music, not recycled music. It's unfair to judge the recycled one.
As far as original compositions go SMT4 > 4A by a large margin.

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>>375859669
>was emulating SMT1 on my phone
>accidentally saved over my only save state on the title screen
>manual save is at least 3 hours behind

SMT1 FUCKING BLOWS

>>375876538
That Lucifer actually looks decent

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how long until smtv is released so it can destroy p5 shitters?

>tfw SMTHD sells a gorillion copies and Atlus starts focusing on mainline over purse owner

It isn't hard and is interesting to play just to see the role it gives USA as Judeo-Christian champion coming in to end Japan. Play it and SMT2

>>375876771
How long until SMTV is released and P5 shitters shit all over it for lack of social links?

>>375876217
For me it was just too out there like I said, it felt too much like a power fantasy with the blatantly obvious YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE, LITERALLY GENETICALLY PERFECT BEING DESIGNED FROM BEFORE BIRTH TO BE LITERALLY PERFECT, NOW GO AND MAKE YOUR MARK ON THE WORLD BTW DID I TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE SO PERFECT YOU GET TO KILL GOD HIMSELF?
It was just silly. Good game, but silly.
For me YHVH wasn't the highlight.
It was the Law-route where you go into orbit in Satan's spaceship and then it's essentially this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qLzsIhUMk&feature=youtu.be&t=1m39s

New lucy and archangels are not comming back. Proof is P5 models.
Plus I am sure Atlus knows they are trash since, one, we never saw the archeangels in IV:A and two, they got Doi to try to fix up Lucy and Merkabah.

New Satan is fucking shit and it better not come back. Doi's Odin is great and his original designs are as well

>>375876771
>>375876821
>delusional smtfags

Waifu sims will always be more popular than post-apoc dungeon crawlers

Also
>Switch

>>375876690
Because it's drawn by Doi.
It's also the only time we'll ever see SMT4 Lucifer's true form drawn by Doi, which sucks.
I really wish that they'd included SMT4's Angels and Merkabah's and Lucy's other forms but redrawn by Doi.
Also Lilith, Minotaur and some other of the guest designs.

>>375876842
It will have plenty of pals if SMTIVA is anything to go by.

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>>375876962
Doi is kind of a mixed bag for me. I really like his Odin, Medusa, Mermaid and most other demons but I'm not a big fan of his Satan and most human characters.

>>375876260
You are completely worthless because you can't use magic in SMT1, assuming that's Hero's and not Heroine's stats.

>>375859669
The atmosphere is great at first but atmosphere alone couldn't keep me interested till the end.

>>375876260
no more tears, only dreams now

>>375876658
>blaming game for your own stupidity
>abusing savestates to the point you forget about saving manually every time you have the option to
Neck yourself.

>>375876842
Japan will never get over WW2, SMT1 and various other pieces of their fiction are proof of that.

>>375876260
should've put it all in luck

>>375877276
I was already on the verge of dropping that piece of shit game before that happened anyway. That was just the final straw.

>>375877420
I'm sorry you have shit taste, now consider suicide.

>>375877353
Why should they when we haven't even gotten over WWII? The biggest selling game of the year will be a WWII game at a time our president was a guest of the German chancellor.

>>375877482
I don't think any country that participated in WW2 in major way will ever get over WW2, but my point still stands, get the fuck over it.

>>375859669
>ĐOS-NET
>ĐATE

Why

>>375877473
Whatever dude. SMT1 was the most tedious fucking game I ever played I literally felt like I had to force myself to keep playing it.

>>375877620
>DOS
It's DDS.
Digital Devil Story.

>>375877620
DDS-NET, not dos, anon.

and because it looks cooool

>>375877679
I can understand that if you weren't using turbo from emulators (to speed it up) but if you were and still found it tedious then you're most likely a retard that can't play properly (aka use Estoma).

MT1 and MT2 remakes on SNES are the better games with English translations. They are light on story but better dungeon crawlers with a better interface. I haven't played the iOS version of SMT1 so maybe that is better.

>>375863862
>when people say outdated, they are really saying "not casualized enough"

>>375876942
You're right about the protagonist not being as compelling. I just loved the bizarre futuristic hellscape setting of 2; it would make for one of the sweetest tabletop rpg campaigns you could play.

That being said 1 had a great story. Nothing beats that hey kid demons are real and one just brutally murdered your mom, watch out the apocalypse is happening, oops you just got nuked first act.

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Am I a pleb for being unable to play through any of the pre-PS2 SMTs? The only one I ever completed was P1 on PSP and even then, I had to force myself to finish it.

At first, I thought I just didn't like first-person dungeon crawling but I was able to play Strange Journey just fine, so what's the problem?

>>375877859
>>375877829
The iOS version is pretty "modernized"

Easier than Persona 1 or 2.

>>375863862
because nobody actually played it

>>375877829
GBA version of SMT1 is literally just SNES but with raped art and music (same art, but washed out and bright, music has less audio channels and worse samples).
iOS uses PS1 music which is debateable whether its better than SNES due to being in a different genre.
GBA has faster gameplay though but only for SMT1, since it's as fast and smooth as SMT2 on SNES.

>>375877974
You have autism, neck yourself.

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>>375867170

>>375876217
SMT2 is bad because the pacing is completely fucked and the tone is all over the place.

>>375878110
>tfw no other versions of the game using the Sega CD music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezENUGEKW0A

I was playing through SMT 1 with the translation and really getting into it but then I got stuck somewhere pretty damn early (after finding the first or second terminal) in that I had no clue what the hell to do.

I looked up a guide and, if I recall correctly, I was basically supposed to just wander around the map with the ridiculous encounter rate until I found where to go as the game itself didn't even attempt to point me in the right direction. I was really enjoying the game up till this point,

Basically, my question is: does this happen a lot? The game world seems pretty large already, so a lack of direction will really kill it for me. Any advice?

>>375878417
Yes, that isn't very atypical for oldschool RPGs.
Just use a walkthrough whenever you aren't sure what to do next. Imo the added convenience improves the game.

>>375861037
I never played this game, but god damn if that song doesn't sound familiar for some reason.

Was it ever remade for newer games?

>>375878574
It's in SMTIV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gu6mz3Hp7k

>>375876962
>Proof is P5 models
Not proof, considering P5 uses Kaneko Odin and SMTHD uses Doi Odin. Which is a good thing, in that case.

>>375878646
And then I instantly remember it.
Thanks!

>>375878684
Ginza theme in nocturne as well.

>>375878352
Makes me think of the Castlevania Chronicles version of Vampire Killer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xoRNNgyNGg

I'm not even gonna fucking try understanding this timeline shit. I'm happy with Nocturne explanation: Amala Network is a weirdo dimension that kindasorta connects every reality.

>>375878768
I stopped playing Nocturne after the Matador died in 4 turns. I was promised a brick wall.

SMT IV is a close enough call back to SMT I+II, I would say just play it. It's sort of what SFIV is to SFII.

>>375876942
>it felt too much like a power fantasy with the blatantly obvious YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE

Aleph is a test tube Jesus, to be mankind's savior in the apocalypse. His mother is Virgin Mary, as Aleph was not conceived by sexual reproduction, Daleth is the anti christ, a fake messiah whose purpose is to be felled by Aleph so the people would support Aleph. When all of the characters correlate directly to biblical concepts and characters, because this all planned out by a law faction in the story, calling it a power fantasy is what's actually silly.

>>375878567

>Just use a walkthrough whenever you aren't sure what to do next

Ah, dammit, that's rough. I was hoping to be able to play the game itself. Tabbing in and out of a guide just takes me right out of the game.

>>375859928
S s s s stop, i dont play obscure shit just for creed >_>

>>375878997
You only need it for like two small sections if you aren't retarded.

>>375860225
Wont that be fixed just by playing in an emulator.

>>375878997
If it gives you any hope, I beat the game my first time on real hardware without a guide. If you keep getting lost, the usual advice of "explore and talk to everyone" probably won't help. I don't even remember SMT being that bad with that shit either compared to some other games I've played.

>>375878852
The timeline is only complicated when you look at the potentially multiversal connections and such. It's just

Raidou>SMT1>SMT2
and
Raidou>SMTIF>Devil Summoner>Persona

The rest can't be properly placed (other DDS1>2 and IV>IVA)

>>375878934
>genetically engineered super Jesus that can do no wrong and slaps God's shit
>not a power fantasy

Excuse me?

>>375879115

>if you aren't retarded

Oh no

>>375879126

Alright anon I'll give it another go.

>>375879160
But I heard Innocent Sin reboots the timeline and creates a branching dimension where 2:EP and the rest happen ?

>>375879169
NO YOU EXCUSE ME!

>>375878916
This is true, basically every plot element in IV and IVA is from the first two games.

>>375879276
Yes this is true, but it only affects the characters of Persona 2, so that timeline would look exactly the same, just swap out IS for EP.

>>375879276
IS doesn't reboot stuff.
Basically the way it goes is that Innocent Sin happens, and the end of it the events of Innocent Sin are erased and time is rewinded back to right before Innocent Sin started, and Eternal Punishment happens but with certain characters (Philemon, Nyarlathotep and P2's protagonist Tatsuya) remembering the events of Innocent Sin since their memories are not wiped.

>>375879391
Is that how my dog Pascal became a sexy human?

>>375879160
Devil Summoner>Persona
Technically it's If... -> Devil Summoner -> Persona 1 -> Soul Hackers -> P2 and so on
Basically, Persona 1/2 and DebiSama/SH don't happen back to back.

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>>375859669
I enjoy it. It's old simple. Proven battle system. The story stays interesting. It's like a nice swing on Dragon Quest with a really dark story and Pokemon like fun. The game is good.

>>375879305
Damn I've gotta play IV.
Thank you 3DS emulation.

>>375862434
Persona is a sequel to SMT If.. which is a sequel to Raidou 2 and this is a timeline where the events that caused the other games didn't happen.

SMT 3 is a sequel to SMT 2's chaos route

>>375879456
>>375879391
Ah cool, so Eternal Punishment happens INSTEAD of Innocent Sin

>>375879670
>It's like a nice swing on Dragon Quest with a really dark story and Pokemon like fun.
MegaTen is like 5 years older than Pokemon.
If anything, Dragon Quest ripped off SMT with monster recruitment and then Pokemon ripped off Dragon Quest's monster breeding.
Megami Tensei/SMT is the OG of the very concept.

>>375879881
Yep, but storywise it won't make sense without playing IS first so don't think about skipping it.

>>375868051
The alignment bug for neutral is annoying, I figured a way around it so you kill both sides and end up law, but you go to neutral permanently when you enter the cathedral.

>>375879676
It's good. It has the same tone as the earlier games and Nocturne where it doesn't really tell you how to feel about the horrible stuff happening.

SMTIV Apocalypse is a better playing game but with traditional story telling which makes it a little more pushy towards what path you follow.

>Bad thing happens
>characters exclaim at bad thing and making sure you know it's bad

>>375879864
>>SMT 3 is a sequel to SMT 2's chaos route
Factually wrong, it's its own universe.
Kaneko simply said that while SMT2 was taking the Law-themes from SMT1 and making a new game exclusively around those themes (which is why SMT2 is so Law-oriented in its storytelling), SMT3 is instead based on the Chaos themes from SMT1.
Universe-wise however SMT3 is completely separate from them.

>>375879932
Speaking of Megami Tensei, anyone ever play the genuine original game with the hackers invading a tower to save his GF?

I watched the oldass anime where Ose comes out of a screen and kills a bunch of highschool kids as a pink goo by enveloping them and wringing out their bodies. then later on he busts out of a screen in a bank and does the same to a bunch of civilians and I dunno why but it was very impressionable and horrifying to imagine.

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>>375879932
I agree completely but I imagine this person would like some comparisons to wider played titles to see if they would like aspects of the game friendo.

>>375880153
A ton of people played it. The english translation of the SNES remake was only completed last year (or 2 years ago) by a guy that post on /smtg/

>>375880153
That is not Ose but Loki. That is actually my favorite Loki design.

And am playing it right now. Its great dungeon crawling.

>>375879580
Yeah, you're right, I was just trying to keep it simpler.
>>375880045
Nocturne being a sequel to 2 comes mostly from the whole Aleph=Hijiri theory. Even if that is true (which I don't think it was ever addressed), there's no reason to think the games take place in the same universe.

Can I use a AG save with the Orden fix on SMT2?

>>375880316
There's an anime with Ose too, not sure if that's the one he was talking about as I'm foggy on the details but remember Ose being giant.

>>375880246
>>375880316
Oh sweet, really? Might check that out then.

did the SNES SMt 1 ever get a proper translation that didn't have that respawning zombie fight bug?

>>375880153
Plenty of people played it ever since KMT (remake of MT1 and MT2 on SNES) got translated 2 years ago or so DESPITE ORIGINALLY BEING ADVERTISED AS "ALMOST READY FOR 2011 RELEASE" which turned into a meme as a result since nobody expected it to ever come out until the author literally plopped out of nowhere and released it on his blog with literally no fucking advertising or anything, but /smtg/ autism and word of mouth did their job.

>>375880334
I thought so too about the Hijiri thing, but I always thought "dude is forced to reincarnate in EVERY timeline/universe instead of the one where he fucked up.

It wouldn't surprise me cause YHVH is Cunt Supreme.

>>375880178
i know you're probably looking for this reaction but why are you (what i assume is) alt+prtscrn and pasting your screenshots into paint?

>>375880417
>did the SNES SMt 1 ever get a proper translation that didn't have that respawning zombie fight bug?
Read the fucking thread you newshit cockmuncher.
tldr yes

>>375880385
No, since your game's broken state carries into the save.

>>375880608
Eh, I wasn't that far anyways. Guess I'll just start over.

>>375880334
>Nocturne being a sequel to 2 comes mostly from the whole Aleph=Hijiri theory.
It's not really a theory, it's blatantly obvious.
However re-read YHVH's words.
He said he will keep reincarnating and that ALL versions of him and his children will be doomed to watch the world die and be unable to do anything about it. Hijiri is just one of Aleph's reincarnations, doomed to watch SMT3's world get consumed by the apocalypse and unable to stop it.

>>375880575
I like a pristine white border chum.

>>375880793
fair enough

>>375880718
It's not obvious, how can Hijiri be Aleph when he dies during the conception and is a manikin? Unless it's him for only the beginning of the game.

>>375880408
You're thinking of the amazing Tokyo Revelation OVA.

>>375880909
>how can Hijiri be Aleph when he dies during the conception and is a manikin?
Can you rephrase the question because I see absolutely no problem with this.

>>375880985
Manikins don't have souls.

>>375881049
Thanks for not paying attention to SMT2 story.

>>375880940
Yeah. Was fucked up, but good. Those scenes stayed with me though, quite visceral. Side note, I think the dude that made hellbenders actually watched it too, cause in the Apploza animation an old lady gets killed in the same way.

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How many people picked left and jumped right?

>>375881093
I know the story. Aleph will be reincarnated and forever watch the world die and not be able to do anything about it. So it makes more sense that Hijiri is Aleph before the conception, and it's a different thing after Hijiri is a manikin. Because Hijiri manikin is a psycho.

>>375859669
It's actually the best game in the series.

>>375881049
Hijiri is special, the Lady in Black tells you all about in the Amala Labyrinth. Hijiri was reincarnated into a Manikin body as part of his curse.

>>375881193
Hijiri being a manikin can simply be one of the effects of being tormented by YHVH's curse.

>>375881238
That´s II

In Nocturne, why did people that couldn't have a reason survive the Happening or whatever it's called?

>>375881795
Are you talking about the Manikins?

>>375881852
More about the teacher. Why save more people than you have sponsor gods for?

>>375881795
Do you mean when the Conception occurred? The hospital was a protected ground, only those inside survived.

>>375881980
I'm pretty sure the only people who survived the Conception were the ones in the hospital.

>>375877124
Really? Satan is arguably his best redesign of all.

>>375879169
>reincarnation of Adam can do no wrong and slaps Michael's shit
>not a power fantasy

It's silly to accept one and criticize the other.

>>375879169
>>375882197
pfft, the bible as a whole is a power fantasy. i mean, a god who is all powerful and can do anything anywhere? yeah, right!

>>375872125
>You're alright, don't go to Ueno tomorrow
>What the fuck, what did I just say? I have to arrest you now, don't expect me to bail you out
>Hey, I'm bailing you out.

>>375862448
>Catherine
Did I miss something? Or is this entirely because it uses a similar art style and is made by atlus?

>>375882418
No, that's pretty much it

>>375882418
Latter. That chart is unreliable and based on headcanon just because Vincent made a cameo in P3P.

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Jesus christ I forgot how much negotiation sucks in Nocturne
Wasted 2k macca trying to recruit demons and they keep telling me to fuck off

>>375882059
The teacher knew about the conception from that magazine and invited her favorite students? I need to play the game again it's been so long.

>>375882541
>be my friend
>give me a bead
>okay
>give me 2000 macca
>okay
>thanks dickhead see ya later