Is it a coin toss?

>>375836925
No it's a video game.

>>375836925
No.

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>rng
cancer

no

the OG version is always fucked, at least in the scenarios presented in its story

>>375836925
For gameplay purposes, your perspective shifts to the new body. In an actual scenario, though, an identical copy of your consciousness is implanted in the new body and the older copy gets left behind or killed with no shift or change in perspective. To an outside viewer it doesn't matter.

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>>375838065
What if the life you think you're living right now is just the memories of one of your future selves?

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>>375838343
That's fine too I guess. It's cool either way. Everything is cool.

>>375838343
It likely is if you've ever slept. Your conciousness ended. Then another one began in your body with your memories

>>375836925
No.
Never was.
Simon was just too deep in denial to realize and Cathy is bad at explaining things to brain damaged retards.

>>375838343
>the life you're living is the memory of your future self
>future self
so are we time traveling now

>>375838831
I mean even though you don't remember it often you're still somewhat conscious in your sleep with dreams, aren't you?

>>375839321
Are memories time travel now?

>>375839409
You've never had a night without a dream?

Ever been knocked out, even for a split second?

>>375839614
If you get memories from your future self then yeah, time travel must have been involved.

>>375839645
I thought we always had dreams, we just often didn't remember them.

>>375839702
You're not getting memories of your future self, you are your future self reliving memories of your past self.

>>375839702
You don't have dreams if you're knocked out with drugs, like if you have surgery. It feels like you blink and suddenly are in a different place (it's pretty disorienting desu).

>>375839092
It wasn't a coin toss but that doesn't make catherine not a psychopath. The better question is was it morally wrong for the others to kill themselves after entering the ark?

>>375841292
>have never been put out with drugs or KO'd
i'm still the OG then right

>>375836925
Well, not really. There's no real point in thinking about whether "you" will carry over or stay behind because obviously both will happen.

>>375841409
Or you're just fused with the AI, which is feeding you false memories

>>375841398
>Morally wrong
No it was just plain retarded.

At what point in time would they think that killing themselves would somehow transfer their consciousness into a scan of their brain

The sad thing is; the scans probably thought it worked, thought they "won the coin toss"

>>375842238
But it can make sense if it's not about "transferring", but instead about how your original version needs to still live on in a world that's totally fucked while your copy is in the ark.

Honestly, catherine gave very mixed messages about this, with how she was willing to kill Simon's first zombie body, but was upset with how people were killing themselves during her ark experiments.

>>375838831
That isn't how sleep works...

>>375841435
Both won't happen. You are read only and the other physical body is being written the data of you up to that point on it. If that other physical body is a HDD creating the Ark you are basically fucked.

>>375842238
>he doesn't know about morphic resonance

>>375842684
Well she never intended for people to kill themselves.

In her defense if she said it like it is; alot of people would lose hope and maybe not even bother. They were going to die anyway, it wouldn't be THEM on the ark -which is what simon believed all along- the coin toss was a convenient way to lie about the procedure, to everyone on the ark; They thought they won. to everyone who got left behind; Sorry son, try again next time.

The "gamble" is enough to give hope.
Even if there was no gamble.

>>375842684
>but instead about how your original version needs to still live on in a world that's totally fucked
So suicide because of awful situation? You don't need a brainscan of you fucking off somewhere else to determine that killing yourself might be a decent course of action if you're continously raped byfate's black cock without lube.
>Honestly, catherine gave very mixed messages about this, with how she was willing to kill Simon's first zombie body
What scene are you talking about? She was entirely not eager to witness simon v3 committing suicide/killing simon v2.

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>>375843020
Are you sure about that?
Just because basic life functions were sustained and the memory was transferred doesn't mean the one who wakes up is the same as the one who went to sleep.
>"b-bu-bu-but I can feel it!"
People in asylums feel that they're Napoleon

>>375843802
Your subconscious doesn't shut off, and that is what is actually you.
That is what makes the decisions, which are post-hoc'd by the conscious mind. Which is how it can be detected that a person will decide one way before they think they've decided themselves.

>>375844285
>>375843802
Yeah I never got the "you die when you sleep" memes, because your conciousness doesn't completely shut off when you sleep. Dreaming being the most obvious example.

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>>375844285
>subconscious
>that is what is actually you.
speak for yourself, atheist

>>375845035
>Dreaming being the most obvious example.
What if dreams are just memories in your mind? Just because you remember it doesn't mean it was actually you. Copied minds have memories that aren't theirs either.

>>375838065

I don't understand why this has to keep being explained. The point of the ending was to show you there is no coin toss lol. The "copy" shows up on the ark thinking that he won the non-existent coin toss. Then for this exact reason we are put back in the perspective of frustrated retard and shown that there is no continuation. No consciousness is "transferred", though to the copy it looks like there was. For shits and giggles and to silence the other retards, they should make a DLC where everytime in the game there is a "transfer", they should make it so you just stay in the same body. Like the first body you die however the og simon does just to see it. Wouldn't be much of a game but it would hopefully end these stupid threads.