Was he the devil?

>>375814858
Yes, Le absolute evil maymay.
Probably the shittiest villain featured in the series so far. Even Edgelord Memedin is better than him.

>>375814978
'No'

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>>375814978

>>375815295
Yes.
It's the only villain that lacks a motive apart from, "I'm the absolute evil. I collect souls". It is as generic as a villain can get in a fantasy setting. Basically bioware-tier, apart from the good writing that was used to present him.

>>375814858
yes

>>375814858

Or death, but yes. Something like that.

>>375814858
he was god
look at his initials
CDPR loves doing this meme shit so retards feel smart when they crack the code. just look at the DLC rag in BAW and the DRM shield you have to break in the main game

>>375815464
you opinion is wrong

>>375815945
He has godmode

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>>375814978

>>375815464
So what should the Devil's motive be then? To get all the best armour and runestones in the game so he can go back to heaven and fight God with his level 100 sword ?

He's the devil, and he uses people for his own amusement by playing on people's sins. That's what he does. The joke completely went over your head

>>375816113
>Gaunter O. Dimm; Master Of Domains Everywhere

>HOLY SHIT REDDIT DAE NOTICE THIS

>>375815945
no he isnt you retard, he's devil, the entire story is retelling of a polish folk tale

>>375816194
>He's the devil, and he uses people for his own amusement by playing on people's sins. That's what he does. The joke completely went over your head
he's god and he takes peoples souls because he can

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Was he god?

>>375816208
wrong

Because the Witcher 3 actually takes place in hell

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>>375816235
Technically, that's Marston's conscious

>>375814858
Probably. Otherwise I think he might just be a demon tricking people into believing he's something bigger, but I feel like having the ability to stop time makes you a pretty powerful dood

>>375816261
yes you are, faggot. odimm is pan twardowski's devil right to the moon bit.

>>375815464
No he isn't. His endgoal might be to get souls but his motive is to be entertained/challenged

>Gaunter o' dimm
>G.O.D

He was close enough in function and presentation that the distinction is utterly irrelevant.

>>375814978
Well there's no accounting for taste, I suppose

His name is a Dark Tower reference.

Goddamn I hate Stephen King.

>>375816458
>master mirror
>god mirror
he is the devil.

>>375815945
>>375816197
>>375816235
>>375816458

He's the devil. Lucifer wanted to be God, challenged him and then got thrown out of heaven and sent to Earth to dick around with the humans, who also were made to stay on Earth because Eve ate the apple. Or at least that's what religious people think.

>But his initials spell G.O.D.

Fucking duh, he wanted to be God. That's the whole point of his story in the bible. Of course he's going give himself a name that somehow makes him seem like God. But he's not. Cause he's full of sin too, arrogance. And that's what led to Geralt and that other dude beating him in a game of wits.

>>375815464
You really are trying to hard at this point.

>>375816607
>Cause he's full of sin too, arrogance
So is god

>>375816194
His motive is exactly what should be. The point is that a demon/devil whose motive is being evil for the sake of being evil is a shitty, uninteresting type of villain. Overused in pretty much every type of fantasy setting since the invention of fantasy literature.

The best villains are those with human, understandable motives. The absolute best type of villains are those whose motives make you question your own morality.
This has always been the case in the witcher lore (especially in the novels and stories). O'dimm just doesn't fit in well in it.

>>375816607
Or you know, maybe a trickster demon that wants people to think of him as all powerful would use initials like that

he kind of reminds me of Ledger's 'Joker' from the Dark Knight film.

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>>375814858
He is but a humble Merchant.

>>375816689
Yeah but you can't question daddy God or he'll spank you with belt of eternal suffering and damnation

>>375816720
(((Master of mirrors)))

The way he went out kinda ruined him for me. If you look up the translation of what he says he basically acts like a shitty sore loser.

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Why is best bro Rehis such a bitch cuck yes man when it comes to Geralt? Does he secretly harbor gay feelings for him?

Also Detlaff did nothing wrong.

>>375816764
but Gaunter literally threatens you with eternal suffering for questioning him at one point
>>375816820
What did he say anon?

He's just a humble merchant whose mirrors reflect the true nature of a man.

Olgierd was a heartless brute. Geralt could either be the man who lifts curses, or the man who condemns a man through neutral inaction.

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>he's God you guys, look what the first letters of his name spell! totally not a demon!

>>375816820
no way, he got what he was looking for
he even hint you how you can save Ciri
best ending

>>375816853
He's literally too old for that shit.
Most things he doesn't really care about, including his own vampire people. He just likes Geralt because they're good drinking buddies but he doesn't argue because to him Geralt will be dead really soon.

He's enjoying the good times while they last

>>375816853
>hurr I got played like a fool by some bitch so for some reason I'm going to kill everyone in that town that she wanted to destroy

What an absolute cuckold

>>375816853
Regis is straight as a pole and a renowned estimator of delicious succubus pussy. The thing between him and Geralt is just maximum bromance.

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>>375816881
>What did he say anon?

>"You are primitive. You think you've defeated me but you are wrong. I can't be killed, I will be back."

>>375817074
weird I figured it would be
>"WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSE TO KNOW WATER WAS REFLECTIVE"

>>375816853
Detlaff is an insufferable cuck. He got what was coming to him

>o'dimm
>ciri
>unseen elder

who wins in a deathmatch?

>>375815945
>so retards feel smart when they crack the code.
everybody is supposed to get it and it's supposed to be funny

>>375817487
O'Dimm

>>375817487
Gaunter literally tells Geralt that Ciri is beyond his powers. So Ciri.

>>375816689
you can't be arrogant/prideful if you actually deserve it

if you are literally God then you can't hold yourself in higher esteem than you actually deserve, because you deserve the highest esteem

>>375816853
>Why is best bro Rehis such a bitch cuck

Because game Regis is gay and retarded. He has nothing to do with the book character.

>>375816853
Detlaff is /ourguy/, which means he's a pathetic pussy slave who led a beta uprising

he did a lot of things wrong

>>375817570
i dont think Ciri is beyond his powers, maybe the he can't intervene in that situation, and is just a quest for Geralt, otherwise he fucks you the game

>>375816602
I like this theory

>>375814978
folk tale devil =/= Christian devil
it's not Satan
Goethe's Mephistopheles was based on the German folklore's devil

>>375817570

Could simply be interpreted as that his powers can't touch Ciri. Doesn't necessarily mean Ciri can harm him back.

>saved Olgierd
>tfw regretted afterwards because challenging the fucking devil and putting his soul on the line for Olgierd didn't seem much like Geralt after all
>plus that sweet O'Dimm whistling outro
>tfw last save before the point I felt like doing the other ending was 4 hours beforehand, since I just kept overwriting one slot
>in those 4 hours I'd also at long last gotten the last of the main game gwent cards

true suffering, I liked O'Dimm

>>375817513
>>375815945
except theres nothing to get and no code to crack, its simply a coincidence

>>375817654
Even in the books he repeatedly saves Geralt and the party without receiving anything much in return.

>>375817621
power doesn't mean you deserve esteem

>>375816925
Whoever said god is to look nice and kind?

Cahir=Regis>Milva pre miscarriage>Angouleme>>>>>>>>>>>>Milva post miscarriage

>>375817328
He is just an allegory for a 30yr old virgin.
Had one single relationship in his long lifetime and it was with an adult human woman that had already experienced life and love, and all the bitterness and malicious shit that comes with it.
During that relationship he behaved like an obsessed 16yr old boy having his first high school crush. This is something that would scare off any adult woman, let alone someone as fucked up and broken as Syanna.
So he got friendzoned and that's where the relationship should have ended, would it have been a relationship with a normal woman. But Detlaff (not understanding the concept of friendzone) continued pushing, and Syanna (being an extremely fucked up individual) saw the chance to use him for her own ends.
After finding out that he was exploited like a fool and used by his former lover, he reacted in the only way someone like him could have possibly reacted: by having a great 'tism fit.

With that said, I'm pretty sure that if Detlaff was given the possibility to play TW3, he would have definitely chosen to romance Triss

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>>375818380
>>375817513

no it isn't retard. they specifically put this in there so the morons on reddit feel smart when they notice something everyone else gets at a passing glance.

>>375819801
There's too much of this shit in this game. I thought I liked this sort of ebin pop culture references until CDPR decided to make their entire a game an open world Big bang Theory.

>>375815945
>DRM shield you have to break in the main game

Am I having a stroke or was this part of a side quest/contract that I missed. No idea what you are talking about here

>>375819981
Nvm I just saw pic related.
>>375819801

That pun honestly flew right over my head I never even stopped to think about the initials of that shit lol.

>>375819981
>>375819801
i forget what quest it was, but I thought it was the one where you go through a portal or something with yen talking to you through some magic bullshit.

maybe its one of the routes in the game that gets closed based on your choices though idk. The game's retardedly huge and cohesive.

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>>375819801
not in this case, its a fucking coincidence. the drm shield and gog opener as acronyms are translated so that they make sense in other languages whereas GOD only does in english.

>>375818585
>power
being God means you are literally the almighty source of everything that is good and just. If God exists then he cannot be guilty of pride. He IS the best. He is the most worthy. He deserves all praise.

I'm not saying that God has to or definitely does exist, but if he does then that's the way he is

>>375819801
hey you faggot this is exactly what I said. It's supposed to be obvious and it's just a fucking joke. redditors get themselves worked up over obvious shit all the time, don't get bothered by it

>>375819981
it's on an island in skellige

>tfw wanna start witcher 3 again from the beginning but i still haven't beaten B&W

I'm on the last boss fight too but the load times make me just not want to bother learning how to beat him

>>375819801
>we must deactivate the DRM using GOOG
what did he mean by this?

>>375814858
He was the only good antagonist in the entire game, so who cares what he was.

>>375822060
>O-o is the same as OO

Was there "supposed" to be some kind of "reveal" with Gaunter? Immediately after I talked to him in the beginning of W3 I knew we would be seeing him later, the only thing that surprised me was that it took so long (assuming the DLC takes place after the main story), and immediately when he branded Geralt with that face tattoo, I knew he was some kind of genie or a powerful demon who's gig is to make deals/grant wishes. The concept is great and they presented it quite well, but did anyone playing the game really remain as oblivious as Geralt seemed to be after meeting Gaunter in the crossroads and all that shit? I thought a "crossroads demon" who fulfills wishes is a pretty common urban legend.

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>>375817236
It's pretty much
>"Y-YOU DIDN'T R-REALLY WIN, I'LL BE BACK, Y-YOU'LL SEE!"
>And then he never comes back

>>375817570
He said that she was beyond his reach because she was hiding out at the isle of mists. He never said anything about being unable to kil her.

>>375822028
1. Get a faster pc
2. if you get sick of getting one shotted by the bats (I sure did) equip heavy armor (grandmaster ursine a best) and you will be able to barely survive. Maybe not if youre playing on death march though, I haven't tried fighting him on death march yet. Or just git gud and dont get hit.

>>375817487
I don't think ciri can handle unseen elder, I mean she couldnt even take out caranthir by herself, geralt had to beat him and unseen elder fucking bodied that nigga.

O'dimm has za warudo and who know what else he can do with time.

>>375824248
my home computer is an imac for work so i use a ps4 for games

>>375814858
He was evil, but saw good use in Geralt and was our "platonic" abuser.
He got what he wanted through us and treated us considerably well.
He was more the lore's villain than our own throughout the game.

>>375821590
Even if God existed, he wouldn't be all good. There's no such thing as absolute good. He would at best be a well meaning tyrant with absolute power.

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>>375815945
He's a Mirror of God. What's the opposite of complete blinding purity and justice? Evil.

>>375827330
>If God existed, good can be defined by anything other than God himself
lrn2philosophy

there is no such thing as an ethical argument againt God

>>375827535
>>375827535
mirrors reflect opposites now, don't you mean inversion?

>>375814858
He was a demon, that's why you get a beastiary entry on demons when trying to find a way to defeat him.

>>375828338
yes there is, his creation is a shithole.

And his power is compromising, you can't trust someone with that much power.

>>375828425
Well Mirrors show a complete copy of you. Some folklore says Mirrors are gateways to an alternate, evil world. Sure you see yourself but behind the reflection there's something completely opposite of you, mostly an evil opposite.

No, he isn't. He is very clear that certain things are beyond him (finding Ciri). Gaunter is very very powerful, but it's implied that there are things more powerful than him and perhaps things that keep him in check.

>>375828763
the copy is inverted thats what i was trying to say.

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>>375814978

>>375827535
then why isn't he Dimm O'Gaunter

>>375829015
That's not how it works you mong
>Gaunter O' Dimm
>Mirror merchant
>Man of Glass
>titles interpret reflections and mirrors
>reflection of GOD

>>375828908
the devil in polish folklore is far from near-omnipotent rival of god, he's much more of a mischievous trickster that can be cheated and bargained with

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>>375828338
Good isn't defined by whoever is the most powerful. Good is a relative concept. Only the simple minded think good can be objectively defined.

>>375814858
He's holding a human skull, of course he's evil

>>375816692

I'm fucking tired of entry level /lit/ trying to tell everyone a good villain needs to be as human as possible.

The best kind of evil is one you can't understand. The kind who's machinations are so absolute, pervasive, and impossible to totally conceive that it makes your ideals seem weak and petty. Something so magnanimous and oppressive that it makes you wonder why even struggle against it. Why try to change, why fight at all?

And the answer is as resolute as it is insane.

A good villain counters the hero. But this "he might be right" bullshit just muddies the waters. If he's right, why the fuck is the story not centered on him?

The hero has to be right, or the hero has to be able to answer the question of his resolve by opposing such a negative force.

There's a million ways to make a villain. You're fucking stupid to think it's any right way.

>>375816925
G.aunter O. D.imm

G O D

Holy shit

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You should be able to solve this.

>>375829743
intelligent poster 2bh

>>375829743
Evil you can't even understand is fucking boring and stupid. The villain does need to counter the hero, but the best way in which he can do this is by making the player or viewer question his own morality. That or just be such an annoying shit that the audience really wants to overcome and beat his ass into the ground.

Lovecraftian warp monsters are not good villains. At that point he's not even a mirror for the hero, just a mindless oppossing force that's not even interesting to see the hero overcome.

>>375829743
Sort of agree.
Motivations are absolutely secondary next to the villain's personality, quirks, actions and depth. But it's not like good villains can't be on either side of the spectrum between reasonable and completely irredeemable. I enjoy both "did nothing wrong villains" as well as Joker types or villains with unclear motivations or even those who are simply evil and loves it.
Basically, motivations villain's motivations hardly ever matter if the villain him/herself isn't interesting.

>>375830425
Darth. Fucking. Vader

>>375830425
Gaunter doesn't have to be an understandable or relatable person to make the characters reflect on their actions.

There's a reason he's called mirror. The story isn't about defeating him, it's about overcoming the consequences of your own hubris.

>>375830425
>Lovecraftian warp monsters are not good villains. At that point he's not even a mirror for the hero, just a mindless oppossing force that's not even interesting to see the hero overcome.

If it is lovecraftian then you not supposed to overcome it in the first place, flipin heck, it's basic shit, how could that have flown over your head.

See this guy >>375830681 knows whats up

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>>375830663
The most redeemable villains are the one you can kill with out having the slightest hint of remorse or guilt.

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>>375829743
>A good villain counters the hero. But this "he might be right" bullshit just muddies the waters. If he's right, why the fuck is the story not centered on him?

Why should the story be centered on someone who's ("objectively") right?

Since when do protagonists need to be right?
they need to be fucking interesting that's what they need.

>>375830425

Evil you can't understand is certainly not boring, and if it's stupid you just haven't seen it.

The simplest most universal example I can give you is The Empire from Star Wars, Sauron in Lord of the Rings, or Mephistopheles though he doesn't necessarily serve as a counter.

Their motives are ultimately ambiguous. Their machinations are grand and span generations and leave a single man humbled in their majesty.

Evil can be sympathetic. But true evil is beyond explanation. It's something that should make the viewer and the hero occupy the same space in time, on their knees quivering out a hysterical cry of bitter dejection asking what are they alone supposed to do?

And then the answer is there, just on the next page.

>>375831830

They gave to be right. If they are nit right then they cannot succeed or you've failed as a writer.

You're mistake is thinking I mean from page one the character needs to be right and true in orientation.

A story isn't a man with the answer. It's the man who can find one.

How are we supposed to solve our problems in our personal lives when our heroes cannot in a fantasy?

>>375818878
Was angouleme the most useless character ever? I couldn't stand her and she barely got any "screen time" anyways. Felt like she 100% could have been cut out and the story would be more concise.

But why was milva shit post miscarriage? What changed for you

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>>375832626
>The simplest most universal example I can give you is The Empire from Star Wars, Sauron in Lord of the Rings, or Mephistopheles though he doesn't necessarily serve as a counter.

A more recent example.

>>375833713

It's a pretty interesting story. The most compelling part of the Night King is that the principal reason he's such a threat is no one is actually preparing for him. But the exposure of his origin was so weak. At least so soon after his establishment.

>>375833495
She basically was a plot device meant to trigger Geralt's longing for Ciri. After that, she turned into a comic relief character. Her, Cahir and Milva were all likeable characters overall. To bad that by the end of LotL, Sapkowski badly wanted to know what pulling a G.R.R.M. feels like.

>>375833713
But his origin was already explained. And I'm pretty sure that, IF Georgie doesn't die of a heart attack before completing the saga, so will be his motives.

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>>375833032
>They gave to be right. If they are nit right then they cannot succeed
bullshit

>A story isn't a man with the answer. It's the man who can find one.
An interesting can be one about a man with THE answer, what matters is what he does with it.
An intersting story can also be about a man losing answers too, or even searching butt never finding.

>How are we supposed to solve our problems in our personal lives when our heroes cannot in a fantasy?

Real life dictates what problems you can solve, sometimes fantasies full of success are simply unrealistic and more importantly UNRELATABLE.

>>375823604

He actually is referenced in Blood & Wine. He isn't killed or vanquished, he just stops bothering Geralt

>>375814858
Let's see his powers, cause this shit is fun

>Can control time at will, even selectively
>Can summon storms instantly
>Can grant wishes and create binding contracts
>Can collect souls
>Can torture ghosts and drag them with him
>Can see and know anything apparently, except what is hidden by special magic (Isle of Mists)
>Cannot be killed, only banished temporarily
>Has his own pocket dimension and shadow minions
>Can cast complex curses
>Can fly/walk on air

Maybe I even forgot some stuff.

Makes me laugh when people call him a simple demon. His powers are off the charts. He is the closest thing to the actual devil in the Witcher universe. Even the Unseen Elder would have no chance against him.

>>375835356
Forgot

>Can appear/disappear out of nowhere
>Can manipulate the senses of humans (appear visible to a blind man)

>>375832626
Him/her/it being boring or not is a matter of personal taste in the end.

Personally I found O'dimm completely out of place in the witcher lore. A recurring theme of the books and the games is that "evil" is a relative concept and there is no such thing as truly good or truly evil. All good characters have flaws and there are no paragons of morality among them. At the same time all bad characters (even some monsters) have a motive behind their actions and even redeemable qualities.
Plus O'dimm it is extremely unoriginal as a character. He is basically a djinn on steroids but, unlike djinns, he has a really shitty backstory. He is evil. He collects souls and fucks with people for his own enjoyment. That's it. Dull as fuck.

>>375834935
>bullshit

Amazing response.


>An interesting can be one about a man with THE answer, what matters is what he does with it.
>An intersting story can also be about a man losing answers too, or even searching butt never finding.

Yes they can. But a good hero, and a story surrounding one is about him find the slot for the missing puzzle piece. Again, there's an illusion of depth to your idea of a "quality" hero defined purely by his flaws.

>Real life dictates what problems you can solve, sometimes fantasies full of success are simply unrealistic and more importantly UNRELATABLE.

Real life does not dictate what a character goes through, however. And more importantly I never said a story is a rampant series of success. In fact I say the opposite. The ultimate success can compensate for a lifetime of failure.

Let's look at Samurai Jack. He's got the answer to the problem. He's a great hero. His story is almost entirely a series of failures. Up to the point he lost the key item, and even his key characteristic: his resolve.

Jack is facing an evil beyond total understanding in Aku. Jack started the whole show with the answer right in his hand. But a series of events lead the solution further away from reach. To a point where he's despairing over the possibility he has failed.

The entire new season has pretty much predicated on this arc of Jack resolving himself, and getting the key to victory back.

You seem to be missing the point. A great hero is ultimately good. And should be defined as such despite their hurdles. Despite success and failure.

>>375814858
What game?

>>375837114

I think Gaunter's strength is that he's an abstraction in the witcher world. He's a left fielder in a firm morally relative place.

That doesn't make him a bad character. To me he was refreshing because every character having their perfectly good reason for being this way was boring. He seemed stable, constant.

In fact. He's the catalyst to this revelation I had.

>>375837654
lurk before post, faggot.

>>375815464
Yeah, he's generic as fuck, but presentation is everything