Grim Dawn

so uuh whats with this game anyway? like, why dont i just play diablo 3 huh?

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>>375814514
This game offers superior customization, more areas, things to do, and is an all around more fulfilling game.

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>>375814415
this game is a bitch that gave me two crystallums and a bunch of ranged weapons when i need better gear to clear HC

>>375814648
Yea I've noticed a lot of same items drop for legendaries so I have several duplicates, and I rarely, if ever, get drops that I actually need. Lots of stuff for other builds, sure, but bleh

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>>375814637
5 extra devotion points to get even more autistic with in builds

I just hope they add a nice melee Witch Hunter set to the game. Love my build but hate having to have +spirit gear to wear the only gear with +% Chaos and +% Poison bonuses on it.

what's the dumbest build you ever made?
mine was curse of frailty to trigger guardian's gaze constantly and full retaliation past that and just charge at niggas

>>375814761
It is one of eleven new Constellations too.

>>375814514
I play both, don't see a reason not to.

So satisfying to see this game tank so hard.

It's the Diablo sequel everyone said they wanted but no one actually wanted.

>>375815213
Thanks for the bump but this game never tanked, shitposter-kun. :-)

>>375815213
Its a successor to titan quest more than anything

shit mane
i wanna call for roll but i aint been real enough to play this game

>>375814514
>like, why dont i just play diablo 3 huh?
because d3 has no itemization system, therefore there is zero reason to play it after leveling another character to level 70

>>375815213
>diablo sequel
?

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>>375815337
Yeah, because they simply copy pasted the code and instead of making the actual mythology sequel to the game everyone wanted, we got Grim Dawn, with the only thing new being the constellations.

>>375815330
https://steamdb.info/app/219990/graphs/
>all-time peak: 15,000
>only 15,000
>never tanked
KEK'd

Will I enjoy this game if I enjoyed Diablo 3? I'm currently looking for tons of new shit to play.

>>375815763
https://steamspy.com/app/219990

900k game is good enough for the 5 people who made it.

>>375815910
Fuck no. It's a downgrade from D3 pandering to old school pen and paper autists.

>>375815910
If you played TQ or Van Helsing, yes, you will like it.


>>375815982
Of which only 1 was with the old TQ team.

>>375815763
>Owners: 896,954 ± 26,219
>Players in the last 2 weeks: 66,523 ± 7,148 (7.42%)
(-:

>>375815910
Depends on if you like having choices about your build and playstyle. If you like having your hand held then I doubt it.

>>375815763
Almost a million sales. Still has close to 3k playing . I don't think you know how this works retard.

>>375815910
What exactly did you like about Diablo 3? Polished looks and controls?

>>375816010
>waah i don't like making choices i need a game that is easy and i don't have to think about the builds

>>375815982
>Mfw /v/ thinks 900k is good for a $5 game

First time playing and in going for pure soldier. I'm level 28 and I've already maxed out the mastery, is there any active skill besides cadence that I should invest in?

>>375816132
Sounds a bit silly, but I just enjoyed making overpowered builds and grinding for items at high difficulties.

>>375815982
https://steamdb.info/app/200710/graphs/

but Torchlight 2 sold over 3 times more and had a smaller team and smaller budget

>>375816218
War Cry is great. One point in that and any in its connected skill will do wonders. Blitz is good too for a distance closer. One point in that is fine too.

>>375816264
How was T2's team smaller? Grim Dawn was developed by two people for the first six years or so, and the team is still incredibly small overall.

>>375816151
>wahhh I don't like going outside I'd rather spend my day researching stats for a video game on the internet

why should i play this and not poe or torchlight

>>375816360
>not liking to have you hand held through a game means i'm a shut in
i wonder how much more autistic you can get

>>375815982
>>375816357
>5 people
>2 people

>Uhhh it was made by a 0 person team, anon, cut them some slack

>>375816370
Because its easier to respec in GD than in PoE and torchlight, fuck if I knew, Syngerizer mod still hasnt fully released for TL2, righ?

>>375816443
Stop responding to shitposting.

>>375816370
Unless you like numbers you shouldn't. Those and D3 are all much better games overall.

>>375814415
Could never really get into this game because the combat doesn't feel as good as Path of Exile.

>>375816471
>>>/vg/

>>375816537
>PoE combat
>Feeling good

Even Torchlight II was funnier

>>375816264
Torchlight 2 also had a brand to go off of and members of the team who had a name attached to former well known games, so it's not that surprising.

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>>375814415
Pretty hype for Necromancer, wasn't a big fan of summoning in the base game.Was thinking of doing a new character after i finish my aether/chaos warlock but not sure what to go with. Vitality Trickster maybe.

>>375816445
>Grim Dawn was developed by two people for the first six years or so
>two people for the FIRST six years
Reading comprehension.

>>375816537
>combat doesn't feel as good as Path of Exile.
I too, dont like to know what damage Malachai does, even by checking the wiki :^)
And then you realize the fight does all damage types pretty hard so you need 75% anyway.

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Expansion when?
Although I haven't even went through the newest dungeon...

>>375814415
Its a great game but my computer has crazy FPS issues with it while i can play modern games at 60fps so its a shame ill never get to finish it D:

>plus our hype for the upcoming expansion

lmao they're adding another class that uses guns to cast spells. Ain't no one hyped for that lazy shit.

>>375815702
Classical mythology sucks ass. I'm glad we got Lovecraft instead

>>375816690
>He doesn't know GD was Kikestarted as the successor to Titan Quest

>>375816883
there's going to be a negromancer too

>>375816817
Q2/3 of this year. Could be released within a week of the next update post, knowing Crate.

>>375816786
>Look cut them some slack it was made by a starving monkey in some dudes basement

>>375816682
Yeah, Grim Dawn and Titan Quest's combat is pretty low among the popular ARPGs.

>>375816906
I do, I'm just not an idiot. Anybody can claim something is a spiritual successor to something, doesn't really mean shit.

Torchlight however did have industry names and T2 being successful isn't a surprise when you realize it built a following with the first game.

I know common sense is rare, but you could at least try. You're trying way to hard to shitpost, it's not even clever shitposts it just makes you look completely retarded.

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>Ctrl+f DAIL
>no hits

>>375816240
So you enjoyed taking the same build everybody uses, farming the same items everybody uses and grinding for the same exact items with +0.2 to stats?

>>375817031
>more of your post is dedicated to insulting anon than to talking about video games
Not him but goddamn, have some basic fucking self awareness, friend

>>375816941
Meh. Last time I was hyped for a class we got the Arcanist.

>>375817010
Except Titan Quest is old as fuck and felt amazing when it first came out. So no surprise that since GD feels the same only apologetic nostalgia fags are ok with it being so dated.

>>375817132
Two out of three sentences are discussing the game.
>not him
Doesn't change the fact that you're both retarded.

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>>375817031
>I do, I'm just not an idiot. Anybody can claim something is a spiritual successor to something, doesn't really mean shit.
What do you think you are saying here?

>>375817251
You got me, anon. I forgot that everybody (except for you!) is retarded. For once in your life, consider keeping your dicksucker closed.

Customization in this game is way overhyped by /v/, it's not nearly as interesting to build characters in Grim Dawn. D3 legendaries at least allow you to do interesting things sometimes, GD items are literally just +X to thing that you already use and here is a skill that is an AoE or a generic buff or something.

>>375817380
Well he can't read and you can't count. Seems obvious to me. As for keeping my "dicksucker" shut. I'm typing :^)

>>375816815
After playing PoE for years now, I don't really care about damage numbers much because you can tell how much a hit did by looking at your HP if you're curious. I'd have more of an issue with all the one-shots in the game.

And the reverse of that would be Diablo 3's retarded amount of numbers so I'm okay with no floating damage numbers. A damage log would be nice though.

>>375817010
The skill effects and animations feel pretty boring and bland compared to the other popular ARPGs like Torchlight 1 & 2, Diablo 3 and PoE.

I actually had a good time with Titan Quest Immortal Throne when I played it years back and tried it again when they released the anniversary edition but like you said, the combat is a snooze now.

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>>375817251
>>375817380
Why would you get mad on the internet? Stop being such salty cucks.

>>375817339
I'm saying making claims that you're building a spiritual successor while being a nobody doesn't exactly garner attention.

Also maybe you should look up what spiritual successor means. It's pretty self explanatory.

>>375817609
>you can tell how much a hit did by looking at your HP if you're curious
Woooooooooooooooooooooooow

You have no clue how high end PoE works, congrats.

>>375814415
I didn't love how so many builds were mostly passives, not saying I need crazy APM or something, but its seriously disappointing that so many of those skills in the tree are all passives.

When's necromancer though?

I only play with Dail, how do you guys even find vanilla fun

>>375817672
This is how we show our affection for each other. What are you new?

>>375817182
Fuck, wrong reply. Second part is for you. >>375817609

>>375817416
Exactly. RPG systems have become way more streamlined and only nostalgia d&d numbers fags actually prefer the old school way.

>>375817672
I'm not mad, though. I only grow tired of the senseless endless bickering that all children spew across the website. It gets old after years and years.

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>>375817674
I have played hundreds of hours of both games and GD is definitely TQ's spiritual successor. Only the product matters, who the devs are is completely irrelevant.

>>375817679
>You have no clue how high end PoE works, congrats.
Damage is damage. Are you retarded?

>>375817674
>you're building a spiritual successor while being a nobody
genuinely curious what do you guys think it meant by this?

>>375817739
Because vanilla is actually challenging and requires some build crafting, while literally everything in Dail is OP powercreep turned to 1000%. And if I wanted to play a game where I can faceroll everything while watching movies on my other monitor, I'd just play PoE.

>>375817982
>vanilla is actually challenging
Funniest thing I've read all day

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>>375817747
>What are you new?

>What are you?
>Are you new?
So which one is it, faggot? At least I'm not retarded.

>>375814415
Trash game, Diablo 3 is way fucking better.

>>375818092
>Diablo 3
Nobody is unironically shilling that trash right?

>>375818014
Le "git gud" comment we did it leddit

>>375818150
Don't respond to shitposting, newfriend. All you do is encourage their behavior.

Game is boring and ugly as shit, and also runs like ass. Only bought it during a big sale, and was worth one playthrough.

Is the new expansion gonna make the game less shit? Any information on the price?

This game is fun and all but the damage types are too homogeneous. They all do the same thing just with different colors. What's the point of that?

>>375818150
Never said it wasn't trash just said it was way better.

>>375818252
You're a funny guy anon.

>>375818163
Why do I need to git gud at something already casual? ARPGs cannot be hard by definition.

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>>375817982
Why wouldn't you play DAIL with extra spawns? Are you a wuss?

>>375818209
This.

>a game that isn't streamlined is bad
>modern blizzard shills
>caring what game made more money
this place really took a turn for the worse

>>375818150
I like it more than Grim dawn, One of the few cases where visual style really does bother me. Grim dawn looks like complete garbage.

>>375818191
>>>/vg/
Should have made the thread there then huh newfag

>>375818301
>why wouldn't you make an already easy mod even easier by giving you even more loot and xp
Like I said, PoE already exists if I want to play a mindless faceroll lootfest

>>375818309
GD threads really bring out the retarded tribalists for some reason.

>>375818056
your new

>>375818313
>One of the few cases where visual style really does bother me.
>While defending a literally cartoon kiddie mockery of Diablo
sweet jesus

>>375817101
It is evident that you clearly do not like the game. Is Grim Dawn any different then? Will I be using builds that completely differ to everyone elses?

>>375818309
A game that has terrible art style, boring lore, and quests, and shit itemization is very bad though.

>>375818468
Its polished and its visual effects are actually well done. Sorry Grim dawn looks like a gamecube-tier game designed by 13 year olds.

>>375816370

Variety? It's not a bad game by any means. It's a hack&slash so you pretty much know what you're in for from the start.

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>>375817964
Anon, I think it means somebody liked a game and wanted to build a spiritual successor to it.

not enough diversity in the enemy department. fighting a zombie feels the same as fighting a hulk, feels the same as fighting a skleletal monstrosity etc etc. Enemies need to feel different and they just don't in GD.

>>375818543
Yes, we've already established Diablo 3 is a joke.

You know I think there's one thing we can all agree on in here.

The worst ARPGs are the Van Helsing games.

>>375818301
Giant man gets ravaged by iron-hard cock .jpg

>>375818689
Yes

>>375818689
I only played the first one a bit but that was the most weightless bullshit i've experienced in an ARPG.

There is a second thing we can all agree on -
The best ARPG is Throne of Darkness.

>>375818578
But in this case that somebody built both the original game and its spiritual successor so I have no idea what OP was thinking when he wrote that.

>>375818812
There's only 1 best ARPG and its name is Sacred

This game is only interesting when playing with friends an I love to solo mindless grinding games.

>>375817071
SX mode is a lot of fun but it's kinda shit that elementalist is basically the only class that can survive it and melee is completely impossible

>>375816815

It's mostly physical damage except for the fire trap and tentacles. Both which are incredibly easy to avoid. I consistently do the fight every league with anything between 40-60% all res.

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>>375818381
There are several install settings of various difficulties in DAIL and the classes are not balanced. If it's not challenging enough for you that's literally your own fault. Why are you such a wuss, anon?

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>thought thread will be about builds and hype
>its just a shitposting competition

>>375819136
friendly reminder that you are not allowed to like more than one game in the same genre

personally i choose Fate: Undiscovered Realms

>>375819136
That's the problem when the majority of the userbase is literal underage children. God forbid you be able to discuss video games.

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This game fun with no friends to play with?

>>375819136
All builds are garbage anyway

>>375819341
Making 4chan read only on mobile would solve a big part of that problem, but I guess nobody cares.

>>375819382
As far as Diablos go it's more single player focused like Titan Quest, the levels are constructed and not tile sets that randomly generate a level

>>375819382
Very.

>>375819430
Quality control went out the window long ago. Gook moot never cared to begin with.

>>375819136
>>>/vg/
It's almost as if there's a board for that

>>375818482
most likely
I pirated and finished GD, and it was fun

>>375819430
I propose just gassing mobile posters, no site changes needed.

>>375819382
It can be, if you get into the story or really like grinding, but the replay value drops drastically. My only friend with whom I play games doesn't play vidya anymore, so it kind of sucks, but I still fire it up from time to time to grind.

>>375814415
>expansion
oh shit for real time to reroll

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>>375819435
>like Titan Quest

Sold, nigga. Loved Titan Quest

>>375819401
You're garbage

>>375818907
Bitch, please
undisputed god king of the genre is Diablo 2

>>375819586
Just telling the truth

>>375819584
Fun fact, anon: It's made by the same people who made TQ.

>>375819584
This game is literally Titan Quest with a different setting, made by the Titan Quest lads

>>375819613
Diablo 2 is overrated

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What's going on in this thread, guys?

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>>375819635
>>375819639

noice

Post viable SX builds
So far I've only found:

Elementalist/Arcanist with Fireball, OFF and Rupture
Elementalist/Storm with Nimbus and Chain Lightning
Occultist/Voidcaller with Bloodletter, Devourer and that huge doom bolt like nuke that I cant remember the name of

can someone give me a good magic and gun build?

>>375816190
>mfw a retard think the game was always 5$

>>375819750
By SX do you mean softcore?

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>>375819750
>>375817071
alright what do these capital letter abbreviations mean

>>375819779
pick the exploding gun dude and the magic lad, fire man and arcane wizard guy to dual wield pistols and do magic

>>375819779
>take a gun
>add some magic
>make them really strong
There you go mate. Have fun.

>>375819779
I played some hybrid commando or something like that. Pretty decent but without good gear killing speed drops somewhat, although you're still tough. Can be both ranged or melee. Firestrike based.

>>375819779
http://grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31535

>>375819382

For one or two playthroughs. The replay value and endgame is pretty lacking though.

>>375819870
>alright what do these capital letter abbreviations mean
DAIL difficulty modes
SX is increased mob density with harder mobs, almost impossible for majority of builds

>>375819684
it's a matter of opinions anon, but when I visit local vidya shop, titles come and go but Diablo 2 is always sold
it's really solid game

>>375819956
I'm not saying D2 is a bad game, I'm saying it's overrated. The legacy it has certainly is.

>>375819863
>>375819870
SX is DAIL's hardest mode
Mob spawns are allowed to be up to ~12 levels above you, heroes spawn with 1 - 5 additional heroes accompanying them, bosses usually spawn with another of the same boss next to them and spawn ~3 heroes when they change phase, white and yellow mob spawns are roughly tripled in most places

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Can someone recommend me a fun build to play and what stats I should focus upgrading? I like these kinds of games, but my character always ends up sucking in the end game.

>>375818638
It's actually pretty sad, that Diablo 3, as much of an embarrassment to the Diablo series is, is still an arpg 10 timess better than Grim Yawn.

>>375820118
don't you have some stash tabs to buy or somethign

refunded this after 30 minutes. the combat feels like complete shit after d3. all the customization in the world doesn't matter if the combat doesn't feel good

>>375820113
>grim yawn
>fun

Literally every buildi spam right click for multiplier procs and shit. Not a single build is unique or fun, or requires a good amount of theory crafting. It's all the same shit pretty much.

>>375820118
The only sad thing here is the lack of effort you put into that bait.

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>>375820118
>It's actually pretty sad, that OP, as much of an embarrassment to the internet he is, is still 10 times less a faggot than this anon

>>375820170
It's clear that the brain in your head has finally reached the consistency of a soup - exactly the right state for playing Grim Dawn. You can't buy stashes in D3, you're mixing it up with PoE.

>>375820170
>stash tabs
>buy

No, no I don't. How about you play the game, before spewing misinformation?

>>375820258
Why would he have to put in effort when you and others will reward him with attention regardless?

>>375820314
>>375820323
it's almost as if anon was implying you were a PoE fan because nobody could possibly be dumb enough to shill for Diablo 3

>>375820243
Trying too hard lad.

>>375820372
>this damage control
As expected out of soup-head

>>375820258
>get btfo
>no arguments to give
>b-b-b-b-bait

I bet you're left wing too.

>>375820113
Dreeg's Evil Eye Occultist/Nightblade
Those two classes together can get three defensive cooldowns as well as big passive defences and DEE does huge damage. Get that -resistance curse from Occultist + the -resistance aura from Nightblade, throw your poison spells, run around and dodge shit while packs die

>>375820426
Not an argument.

>>375820003
it is overrated in the same way soccer is overrated
many people played it or enjoy playing, but there are other games someone could consider better

>>375820361
Effort is the difference between two and twenty replies. When you decide to do something, you might as well do it properly.

>>375820372
>shilling

I LITERALLY said the game is an embarrassment to the Diablo series. And it's STILL a much better game than Grim Dawn. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>375820540
I made pure Occ with Dreeg
s Evil Eye spam and some entropy bolts later
Glass cannon shooting acid and poison

I also had 2 pet crows who did absolutely nothing

>>375820540
Dreeg's Evil Eye is nice

>>375820605
reading comprehension

that's literally exactly what anon was saying, that "nobody could possibly be dumb enough to shill for Diablo 3" hence you are a PoE fanboy hence "stash tabs to buy"

how did that go over your head

>>375820605
>S-s-s-shut up s-s-s-shill!

>Dual wielding guns requires a rare belt

Would play it otherwise

>>375820549
>soccer is overrated
>there are other games someone could consider better

Such as?

>>375820848
There's also a relic, medal and chestpiece that lets you do it.

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>>375819750
Voidcaller/Spirit
Entropy from VC for constant life leech aura. Insidious Miasma and Deathchill Aura from Spirit for debuff/damage auras.
All Devotion points for increased life leech damage.
All stats in Physique.

>>375820848
There's an artifact that grants that ability too or you pick nightblade and get it as a skill
And I don't think the belt is the only item

>>375820893
Diablo 2

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>>375820742
>being this retarded

I was invited in the closed beta, and after all these years, this is my play time.

>>375820804
>replying to posts while being illiterate

>>375820983
>he is literally shilling
>for Diablo 3
>out of all the games to shill for he picked fucking Diablo 3

why

>>375820928
Still, that's a feature I want locked behind RNG

>>375820960
I thought nightblade passive only allows you to dualwield melee weapons?

>>375821072
>RNG
You can craft the relic if i'm not mistaken

>>375821072
Yeah you might be right with it being only melee

>>375821046
>he is literally illiterate
>but keeps replying

why

>>375821046
Why not?

>>375818150
Dont underestimate reward loops

>>375821046
Do people blow your mind every time they say that do not like something that you like? Fascinating, I know. Especially since things you like are shitty and you only now discover that they are objectively shitty.

If someone can craft Beronath (https://gracefuldusk.appspot.com/items/8110-Beronath%2c-Reforged)
I would very much like to trade for that. Obviously I will give you the crafting materials as well.

>>375821186
>>375821172
>>375821151
>Diablo 3

>>375821228
Do you have brain damage? What are you even trying to say?

I have this game but haven't really got into it yet

What are some fun build types to go for? I don't want to pick something interesting then find out t after 10 hours that it's not viable.

Also is the multiplayer good on this?

Why must we fight? Some people like GD, others PoE or Diablo 3. Some might like all or hate all of them. Let's all accept each others opinions and have a good discussion of the best ARPG out there, Grim Dawn.

>>375821308
Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Diablo 3

>>375821406
I play(-ed in the case of D3) all those games to be completely honest

>>375821357
Majority of the builds are boring hold right click and wait for procs. Multiplayer doesn't exist, unless you have a specific friend to play with.

I'm still trying to see if the expansion is gonna make the game less shit, but these grim dawn babies are not giving any arguments at all.

Stopped playing as of right now, waiting for expansion to come out which I hope is around June/July for summer fun.

>>375821135
You need to find the recipe though, don't you? Unless it's a faction rep reward, in which case it's locked behind a grind wall, not a RNG one.

>>375821406

.5¢ has been deposited into your account

>>375821468
>muh arguments
is this debate club?

you are not my mom, i don't have to justify my video game purchases to you

go ahead , try and stop me from having fun

>>375820948
That sounds like a plan, which constellations give life leech damage? I might have to try this

>>375821406
>ugly as shit boring brown art style
>programmed like shit
>boring lore
>boring quests
>no multiplayer
>boring combat
>majority of the builds are the exact same shit

Best what now?

>>375821567
Then why are you getting mad when people say your game is shit?

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>>375821468
>but these grim dawn babies are not giving any arguments at all.
It's not anyone's job to convince you of anything. Go play your shitty games, kid.

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>>375821591
>no multiplayer
Anon please, if you're going to shitpost you should keep it within reason or it'll be easy to spot.

>>375821357
All class combos are viable, I wouldn't worry about that too much. Just make sure to be prepared to sacrifice your damage for defensive skills and items when you reach ultimate.

Demolitionist has a lot of active fun skills, so I tend to prefer builds that use it as one of the classes.

MP works great if you have someone to play with, I'd imagine just playing with randoms would not be good.

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>>375821567
Why would I stop you from eating shit, I enjoy looking at your struggle just as much as you think you're having fun. It's kind of like parent-baby relationship, I'm a loving parent and you're a baby that thinks that playing picrelated is fun. Isn't that cute. Except in this case it's Grim Dawn.

>>375821661
>you

Anonymous is not my user name

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>>375818638

>>375821496
Relic blueprints are guaranteed drops from the Hargate's Isle quest. You get one of the ones you don't already have each time you complete the quest.

>>375821579
I think vulture and revenant have life steal, not sure about leech damage but it should be around there

>>375821674
>ask what's good about the new expansion
>this is your answer

Thanks for confirming that the game will remain trash.

>>375821740
Well, you were triggered enough to write an incoherent passive agressive post, so I guess you're mad even if you don't think you are.

>>375821721
good grief, are you from canada? your shitposting is obnoxious and not funny, kill yourself

>>375821839
not him but the expansion is not out yet

>>375821740
Why are you replying then?

i was playing this religiously right before Legion came out, i was already Legendary farming.

what's really nice about it is the game wants you to try out multiple classes and builds, the storage is account wide, so your fresh toons can dip into it, really nice.
if you get screwed on drops, you can just switch to the class you got items for and repeat.

first time playing i got a lot of Gunslinger crap even though i was Nightblade. so after that i rolled a Gunslinger and the Gunslinger build ended up more effective.

refining builds is more about playstyle than effectiveness, which is also good about this game, unlike other games where you're pigeonholed because your other options are trash.

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>>375821865
Have you switched from Diablo 3 to Canada? What's next, (((them)))? /pol/tards sure are a stupid bunch.

>>375821579
Bat, Ghoul, Wendigo etc. There are lots but I'm not sure what's optimal.

>>375821591
Tbh I agree with most of your points
>ugly as shit boring brown art style
>programmed like shit
>boring lore
>boring quests
>boring combat

But
>majority of the builds are the exact same shit
is just wrong, and I love buildcrafting so much, that I'm able to ignore the other bad aspects.
Also GD has MP, you must be misinformed.

>>375821958
>muh /pol/

confirmed for leaf

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Trickster is best.

>play Sorcerer focused on Aether Ray
>going great, doing shitloads of damage
>go west of Devil's Crossing for the first time (I assume this is the start of act 2 or whatever)
>suddenly get raped left and right, can't even kite fast enough to not die
I think I'm just gonna play a Primal Strike Conjurerer. Does the Wendigo Totem really make you unkillable, especially when you pair it with Blood of Dreeg?

I tried this game a few times. It wasn't bad, like I didn't hate it but there was always something better to play.

I had much more fun with Torchlight.

>>375821865
>anon says he doesn't like a game and explains why
>shill has no arguments and starts projecting

Oh boy, the good old "muh shitposting" after getting embarrassed by someone.

OP here. When is an ideal time to make future threads? I attempted early morning 4chan time but with timezones, there will never not be a time when children are asleep. I suppose I could try late at night in the future but I doubt anything will change.

>>375822005
I'm going to make a Trickster when the expansion is out, seems like a neat guy

>>375821958
definitely leaf
I am not even the same guy

>>375822003
>bring /pol/ and /int/ "memes" into discussion
>mad that point them out
As expected, you have no creativity whatsoever, like majority of GD builds. Kys.

>>375822053
There is never an ideal time to make a thread on /v/, it'll attract pompous neckbeards and children all the same.

>>375822053
best threads i was in larely were at 4am-6am at gmt+2 but maybe i just got lucky

>>375821978
All of the melee builds have one proc on attack ability, one aoe ability, and one defensive ability in their rotation. I've tried so many different ones, and none of them were fun or unique.

And the multiplayer is literally limited to you and your friends, if you have any that play this boring game in the first place.

>>375822095
GD fanatics are like a hivemind, it doesn't matter what body is writing, you all have the same mental ability of a 5 year old anyway. Even PoE faggots evolved after years of being bullied.

>>375822005
I love Blade Spirits. It's such an amazing skill for proccing devotions. Each Spirit has their own CD for devotion procs, so they can proc things faster than you yourself ever could.

That, and the damage is so good for something that doesn't have any modifier skills. I max it on every NB I make.

>>375822231
Sounds like a user problem desu

>>375822231
You should play an arcanist or something, all the best melee builds are indeed picking one ability you like and building the entire build around it

>>375822248
I bet you like assfaggots too, shitter

>>375822053
Go make a thread on reddit. You'll like it better there.

>>375822053

First you create thread about animu trap waifus. Then, when all the faggots are corralled in there, you create a GD thread.

>>375822248
Time to calm down lad

>>375822343
Assfaggots are literally ARPGs with less skills and competitive multiplayer. You're more likely to play MOBAs than any other genre-enthusiast in the world.

>>375821823
Is that an end-game endeavor, though? Playing a game for hours and hours on end before I can get an item I need to play in the way I want to is not a very pleasant idea.

>>375822336
What do you mean? That's just how the multiplayer is. Nobody makes open games that randoms from all over the world will search for and join, nor does the game find and match you with other people.

>>375822341
But I don't like ranged classes in arpgs. Watching gameplay videos of them also seems incredibly boring and uninspired.

>>375822438
>Assfaggots are literally ARPGs with less skills and competitive multiplayer
TOP KEK
and games are ripoff of Call of Duty, you kill people, you kill humanoids, what's the difference?

>>375822559
Yeah, assfaggots actually require a little bit of skill involved, unlike ARPGs that never go beyond theory crafting with their 1-2 click builds.

>>375822656
yes, indeed, lets remove all vidya and only play 3 titles that will be released annually to avoid confusion:
>Generic shooter
>generic soccer
>ASSFAGGOTS

you are shitposting as scourge of vidya gaems, truly despicable

>>375822231
None of my melee builds are like that, so I think it's more your own inability to build anything different.

I never played TQ or GD before, but play a lot of PoE.
I've decided to try GD out a few days ago, and it seems slow as FUCK, is this how it plays in general? If not, please suggest a build with fast clear speed and good mobility, everything I've tried to come up with myself was slow as shit and killed mobs one at a time pretty fuckign slowly

To elaborate on what I've done so far, I made a soldier and went up the eastern part of the map into the whatever estates, through some swamp or something, got to level ~15 or so and stopped there because I was bored as fuck

>>375822765
>lets remove all vidya and only play 3 titles that will be released annually to avoid confusion
I'd rather not, why are you suggesting this? Do you hate video games?

>>375822893
>is this how it plays in general
yes

>>375822893
Soldier is a defensive man

Also GD might not be for you, I don't think the game is about clearing tilesets really quickly like PoE is

>>375822906
no, but you obviously do

>>375822893
primal strike probably clears rooms the fastest
>To elaborate on what I've done so far, I made a soldier
you used the regular "hurr durr hit things with swords" class and were confused that it doesn't have fast screen clearing? fuck you're retarded

>>375822518
While it's true it's not really meant for that kind of multiplayer, there are absolutely open games at all times for you to join.

>>375822859
So none of your builds are viable I'm assuming. What's your most fun melee build then?

>>375823036
But I've never said things like these, just the truth about ARPGs being the most casual of genres. Seems like you can't accept objective reality anymore, it's time to stop using technology for a while, take a deep breath and go outside.

>>375823051
Trading also doesn't exist in this game, unless you specifically know someone to trade with, or you make a thread on 4chan and beg over the span of a month for people to trade with.

>>375823026
>>375822987
Right then, I'll go back to PoE if that's the case

>>375823095
>viable

not him but there's no PvP so why is it so important to min max so hard?

>>375823213
So you're efficient in your clear times when farming items and doing the "end game"???

>>375823201
"ok"

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>>375823095
My latest melee build was pet hybrid warder.

>>375814415
I hate that all diabloids have one endgame playstyle: Spam one button - clear floors. Press button number two to dash/jump/teleport. Is this game any different?

>>375823095
>>375823317
Also not sure what you count as viable, I do all the main content on all my builds.
Not all of them can clear wave 150 in the crucible, or kill Mogdrogen though.

The only good ARPGs are ones with heavy multiplayer focus and mmo-like features.

>>375823317
So how does your build play besides walking around holding your auto attack skill and waiting for passive procs?

>>375823531
I think those are the worst ones to be honest

>>375823531
The only good aRPGs are the ones that are acctually cRPGs, like Divine Divinity

>>375820848
>>375821496
>>375822441
You can buy the blueprint for the first tier dual wielding gun talisman from the Devil's crossing Faction Rewards. Nothing RNG about it.

>>375823549
Thanks for confirming you're a shitposting retard who never touched the game.

>>375823504
No

>>375823785
>all builds are shit
>no my builds are the best!
>so what's your build like brobro
>SHITPOSTING RETARD!!!

So your build is garbage and boring? You're not giving me much to work with here.

>>375823549
C to Blitz and knock back monsters into one pile. X casts Wendigo totem to buff me and my pets and give us life regen. It's a fairly short range totem, so I tend to place it on the middle of the pack at the start, but move it if I need to escape to the outer edges of the battle.
A casts my cooldown "nuke" pet, primal spirit.
Space bar uses warcry to pull all the enemies back in and debuff their damage.

Primal Instinct (Relic) and Necromancer's Deathgrips keep summoning more pets as I kill stuff, so gotta keep playing aggressively and Blitzing to new packs to keep my pet army going.

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I want necromancer and I want it now

>both this and diablo3mancer have no release date

>>375823647
It's still a lot of playing to enable a build that could be enabled right off the bat with a simple passive on one of the classes.

But I digress. Guess I just have to make do with what is on offer.

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>>375823931
>D3 Necromancer, GD expansion and PoE patch will release around the same time

Can someone explain what makes PoE great?
Last time I played it it was a trading sim and everyone just used builds that streamers used.

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>>375823923
Oh and savagery is my left click main attack, while I use devouring skill on my right click to debuff any stronger enemies.

>>375824015
What if Lost Ark and Lineage Eternal come out the same time?

>>375823986
The expansion brings a class with dual gunwielding if getting level 20 is that much of a chore.

>>375824105
It is the embodiment of all the things that were actually valued in diablo 2 online ladder play

>game can fucking kill you so hard
>lots of different builds
>good itemization, low level unique items can enable high level gameplay strategies
>100% online for fair play, items cannot be spawned in or duped

>>375824117
>>375823923
Yo, how do you theory craft and test builds, if the game doesn't let you reroll classes? Do you have to level another dude? Can you reroll devotion points, I forgot?

>>375814748
>What is Diablo 2?

>>375824259
>theory craft
https://grimcalc.com/
>test
You'll just have to level up another char, not like it takes a long time
And you can reroll skill points and it's almost always optimal to have 50 mastery points in your first class, so it's not really that hard to respec

>>375824258
People keep saying this, but I can't stand PoE, yet I've been coming back to Diablo 2 for years still to this day. Am I in the wrong here?

>>375824259
You test your build by building it and playing through the game with it. You can reroll devotion points completely and all skill points that are not in the mastery bar.

>>375824258
>100% online for fair play, items cannot be spawned in or duped
Why do chinese item shops sell new legendaries right after they released then?

>>375824386
>not like it takes a long time

How long does it take? Considering the gameplay and quests are super boring.

>>375821220
Anyone?

>>375824532
Cool loaded question brah. Why do you care about trying out builds if the gameplay is super boring?

>Try to have a minionmancer
>it's shit
>bosses are just hit sponges regardless

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>>375824472
I wonder

This is a very gud game but I haven't finished my first playthrough yet.
A couple years ago I decided to try Titan Quest which had sat in my Steam library for years after buying a THQ bundle. I fucking loved it. Coop was great, did a couple builds. I owned Torchlight and eventually bought T2 but it wasn't until Titan Quest that I realized how much I like ARPG's.
Time to reinstall GD.

>>375824434
I feel the same way.

>>375824434
Because you actually enjoyed playing the game instead of autistically competing on the ladder in fucking "competitive PvE" like that's an idea that holds any merit

>>375824714
5 minutes after release most of the time
No way that get the perfect drop 5 minutes after the servers are up without help from the developers

Is there any mod to remove MS cap yet, or at least make movement skills have less cooldown ?
Problem I found with this game is that you found yourself walking more than killing monsters

>>375824686
Because you're telling me how many cool, fun, and unique builds there are, but if I can't stand grinding through the boring as shit quest line up to 85, just to try another build, I might not even end up liking, then what's the point? Also you're lying that it doesn't take time, because it would take a few days of a lot of playing to level to 85.

I don't understand why they don't just let you reroll classes.

>>375824823
Yet a mirror drops for somebody 10 minutes into a new league "most of the time"

You greatly underestimate the power of having several hundred starving fuckers grinding uber bosses 23 hours a day

>>375824794
I couldn't care less about competing in anything though, people just used to say PoE is the real Diablo 2 successor, but the game feels and looks like ass.

>>375824920
That would take all the fun out of the game for me. I play GD because I can plan a build, then test out how good or bad it is by playing through the game with it, just like I did with Diablo 2.
Being able to change skills on the fly and nowadays completely skip playing the campaign in Diablo 3 is why I barely ever play it anymore.

>>375824015
when's the new poe patch and what does it have?

>>375824920
I couldn't give less of a fuck if you can't stand "grinding" to max level, but why the hell do you think anything changes after that point? The gameplay doesn't magically get different, so why are you even in this thread about a game you hate? Fuck off

>>375825037
It's the successor if you were specifically one of those people who were really into ladder competing

I haven't played in a few months, how's the laserbeam build doing?

>>375825052
You don't need to do that in Diablo 2, you just need to respec your skills. As for making a different class, you can always get rushed, and have many ways to farm up to 60, which is what you need for a viable build.

Replaying boringass GD to 85 over and over again is cancer.

>>375825151
No cruel/merciless, 6 new acts, 10 total that you play through once to hit endgame, although some of the acts are kind of vaguely remixes of the first 4 since they take place in similar parts of wraeclast but later in the story.

The goal of this change is to completely remove the "comfort zone" every time you go back to Act 1 at the start of a new difficulty and get to cruise through the easy areas and zombies. Now shit will just amp directly up with rippier and rippier shit from act 4 onward.

>>375825172
>so why are you even in this thread about a game you hate

Because nobody ever makes GD threads, and I'm trying to see what's good about this game, but you're only getting mad, and not giving any reasons to play it.

>>375825191
I downloaded PoE for when that big patch comes and I can start playing, but this thread really makes me doubt I will like it
Trading and whatnot seems really unappealing, I just want to play through the game on my own, build my guy with the stuff I find and the abilities I think seem fun

>>375825151
It's a lot more acts apparently

>>375824695
If bosses appear as damage sponges you might want to have a look at your damage output. I can't remember ever taking more than 2 minutes to kill a boss.

>>375825352
>and not giving any reasons to play it
I'll try not to cry myself to sleep over it
>thinking I'm gonna try to rationally argue with someone whose starting premise is "well the gameplay is boring so I wanna get to the end of it even though it won't change then"

>>375825381
You probably won't, you can even finish PoE unless you follow a build guide so you can be some super fast teleporting billion dps explosion shitter with capped block chance.

>>375825381
There is a league called SSF for people who prefer selffound
Just dont go to poeg because ppl there will call you cuck

>>375825350
nice, maybe it's time to rev up that trapper archer shadow I've been wanting to try out

>>375825525
You're literally defending hours of boring gameplay, just to be able to try a new build, that might end up the same boring and uninspired snoozefest as the last one.

>>375825598
He's disagreeing with you on the boringness of the gameplay. There's plenty of other things that might be more your style.

>>375825412
Two minutes is a health sponge.
But I was referring mostly to their lack of abilities. They just sit there as I watch their health bar plummet.

>>375825598
why do you want to "try a new build" if you think the game is boring?

what's your goal?

>>375825598
I'm not defending anything, I'm telling you you're a fucking retard
Also
>you need to hit level 85 to know if you like a build
toppest of keks

>>375825692
I want to try a new build, because I keep getting told not all builds are the same boring shit, and some are fun. Trying to give the game a chance again.

>>375825779
But the game is literally playing through 1-85 while building your character
You are saying you want to skip this part, so this doesn't really make any sense.

>>375825896
I disagree, the only part of the game that is interesting is being level 85 and taking on higher level maps and uberlab and atziri and shaper and etc.

Are Grim Dawn threads always like this or did it just happen to swoop up a batch of angry trolls by chance?

>>375825896
No, I want to be able to respec my already 85 character, instead of going through the boring gameplay again.

>>375826123
Tough luck for you, retard

>>375826087
Lurk more crybaby newfaggot.

>>375826076
Im pretty sure the other guy is talking about GD since 85 is the max level in that game
Reaching max level in poe is retardedly grindy and only for top 1% players

>>375826201
>being this mad over nothing

Guess truth hurts, huh? Game really is a disappointment.

>>375826076
>>375826282
And seriously no one force you to have to be lv 85 to do those content, you can do them at 7x if you have strong builds with gg gear

>>375826289
>the truth
you literally said "waaaah but I want this thing" so yes it is the truth that you want it
how shocking

>>375826429
I said GD is shit, and you called me a retard, because you can't point out a single good thing about the game.

Alright, let's try shaking some dust on the story

Who's more in the right; the brothers, or the necromancers? What's the brothers' grandmaster's logic in replacing one supernatural threat for another?

What happened to the Necromancers' grandmaster? Apparently, he encountered the aethereals first when investigating a dimensional breach, and they possessed his undead minions. Then he just disappeared.

What do the aethereal want? To take over the planet as new living space? What is their connection to the blood cult? Did they encounter each other before?

Should you trust the guy in devil's crossing and give him the formula to the snake people?

Why did random refugees fleeing the chaos started degenerating cognitively and resorting to cannibalism?

>>375825546
>SSF
>no increased drop rates
Just why?

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>>375826539

>>375826539
You've been shitting up the thread with "I can't play the game properly so hurrr all builds are bad, it can't be me, PoE forever!" you've yet to make any points so no one cares to argue logic with you anymore.

>>375826646
Because you can leave SSF at any time.

If SSF were to have increased drop rates it would need to be completely separate, nothing can leave, character deleted when the league ends.

>>375826565
I don't know about the lore

All I do know is that Solael the deity is a bretty cool guy

>>375826723
I haven't said any of that, you're just illiterate.

>>375826565
Death's Vigil don't do anything wrong, so they are fine. Kymon's Chosen are idiots blindly following a being they don't understand and can't control.

Uroboruuk, no idea where he is. Fairly certain the DLC will deal with what happened to him. Just hope he wasn't corrupted or something, since he is one of the more interesting characters right now.

>What do the aethereal want?
This is explained in Valbury notes, and by Anasteria after you do her quest to retrieve the head of the guy in Valbury. I don't actually remember much, but I think they were "people" (not from this planet) that were helping one or more of the greater powers in a war, but got thrown between realities and started drifting around.

Really kind of a dick move to add Valbury and Anasteria background after people have already sided with Reeve or Anasteria. Basically locking some characters out of the extra lore.

I don't see why I would ever not side with Anasteria now, since I would only need one character with access to her nemesis for the unique item drops.

What is your favorite aspect of the overall lore? Having multiple favorite aspects is fine too

>>375827746
The Slith story is excellent and memorable, even though I saw it coming from a mile off I still enjoyed it greatly.

>really enjoyed Diablo 3 because it had stutterstepping/attack-animation-cancelling
>every other arpg doesn't have it

i just want something high APM

>>375827881
same

>>375827881
I don't think anything will come of that end-quest though, ah well.

PoE is removing the different difficulties?
Huh, that's actually something I can praise. ARPGs in general are something I can never really stick with. I've preferred GD more than the others but even that couldn't hold my attention enough to get to the higher difficulties.

Might give PoE a try again when that shit comes out.
Any other ARPG's coming out that are doing anything similar?
Any new ARPG's that seem like they'll be better than the big 3 we have now (even if they don't change anything up)?

>>375828051
Combat in D3 is generally really good.

Sadly nonexistent character building, exponential scaling and vomit inducing itemization make it irrelevant.

>>375828806
aRPGs never change, they've been boring ever since Diablo invented the genre
you really, really need to be a lootwhore to stick with one through the endgame

>>375828806
Marvel Heroes is a shitshow but I still think it's better then poe/diablo/gd due to its multiplayer focus and "raids"

Right now I'm mostly looking forward to destiny 2 since it's a game that will have diablo loot, fps gameplay, and mmo endgame.

>>375816769
>Necromancer
After that garbage necomancer announced in diablo 3, I really fucking hope the necromancer in grim dawn is at least remotely as fun to play as the necro in d2

>>375814415
I want to like this game but it feels so slow and stiff.

Needs movment skills.

>>375827746
I like the concept of Ch'thon, whose blood is in all living creatures. I also like the interplay of the Gods and God-like deities (Primordials, Ascendents, etc.), not knowing which is what in some scenarios.

All the Notes are fucking radical. I love that continual flavor text. I am curious to learn more about the Aetherials' end-goal, as well as what that cryptic nigger Uroboruuk is up to, and what he discovered. The Witch Gods are cool too. There is so much neat shit.

>>375814415
Why would I ever pay money for this game when I can play POE for free?

>>375820848
You should
I got that belt and it was great

>>375829917
>PoE
>free

t. "i only spent five hundred bucks on stash tabs and items that's not too much considering i got a hundred hours out of the game"

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Does this game have wizards?

>>375830082
b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but stash tabs aren't 'needed'