Steam Refunds

>>375774078

because OP is a faggot

Because your game is shit and not worth the money Chink Room

If you can beat the entire game to completion in under two hours it doesn't deserve your money

>>375774078
Name acualy good games that are beatable in less than 2 hours the first time you play them.

>>375774078
Steam refunds is piracy for people too stupid to pirate.

>>375774274
Its also useful for games you buy specifically for online play but discover they are ether dead or the net code and matchmaking is shit.

>>375774206
Downwell

>>375774206
Portal
The Stanley Parable

>>375774206
The Little Acre
The Bunker

My friend loved to do this. Once he got drunk and ended up sleeping so I downloaded Idle Master and started that shit so every game he had bought that week couldn't be refunded.
Yeah he was fucking mad but no at me, thought it was some hacker.

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if you don't want people to refund your shit, then stop making your games less than 2 hours long.

>>375774206
Played Max Payne 2, beat it, and then refunded it.

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>EU forces Steam at gunpoint to get a refund policy because burgerfats couldn't be arsed because muh corporate freedom
You're welcome claps.

>>375774078
If it was like normal shop, I could of returned my good in 7days without reason or tracking of how long I used it for.

>>375774842
>Refunding the best Max Payne

But are you just that big a fan that you know how to speedrun it?

>>375774510
This, I bought the new Carmageddon purely for the multiplayer a few months ago, full price.

It was fucking dead, so I really appreciate the possibility of doing refunds.

Building a good relationship with customers trumps anything else. A refund policy will overall please people, devs who choose to make short games are a small casualty.

>>375774982
Never played a Max Payne game before, but I had still beaten it under 4 hours. Major Poorfag here, $9.99 too much to let go.

It's their answer to the growing pile o' shit they didn't bother to quality check.

Works for me.

>>375774917
Pretty sure it was Australia. They even got sued a couple times down there because of the refunds shit and they were threatening to forbid Steam to do business there

>>375775234
>but I had still beaten it under 4 hours.

The refund limit is 2 hours

>>375774078
I've got about 1h30m logged for Nier. Someone convince me to play further than right after the 1st big boss battle. I heard there is something about the game that you won't get enjoyment out of unless you are online with it.

>>375775351
I think if the game is early access the refund window is unlimited as long as you request it before launch.
That's what a friend said when he tried to convince me to buy some game.

>>375775428
get a refund

>>375775351
I thought that is was under 4 Hours?

>>375775905
The OP literally says 2h.

Also

> The Steam refund offer, within two weeks of purchase and with less than two hours of playtime, applies to games and software applications on the Steam store.

source http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/

>>375775436
>>375775905
That's not how it works faggatrons

The current 2 hour system is fine, even the fastest traditional games will take far longer than that to beat.

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>have consumer rights
>exercise them

WOW. BROKEN ECONOMIC SYSTEM

It's much better when consumers can abuse companies rather than the other way around.

>>375774640
>stanley parable
>good game

>>375776304
Reminder that Valve can deny you a refund for any reason.
They're not obligated to refund you shit. It's not a right as much as a favor the company is doing you.

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>>375775549
what about that shit I mentioned?

>>375774078
Because games should provide more than 1 hour 50 minutes of content?

You can do this for Inside and Gone Home.

>>375776837
something about like how dark souls has that blood drop thing. where in Nier there are corpses for some whatever reason
dont take my word i havent played either, just judging based off off forums

>>375776712

Absolutely wrong

Unlike in your kike country we have certain protections

>>375774735
What a retarded post

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>>375777285
H-here I go.

>>375774206
Dark souls

>>375774078
A friend of mine got banned from refunds because she abused it too much. So they do monitor this stuff.

>>375777634
You may never know what kind of horrible mistake you've made tonight.

>>375775428

Watch a youtube playthrough of it and get your money back. Trust me, you won't miss a damn thing with this cinematic experience.

>>375777983
t. guy who didn't play it

>>375778143

More like

>t. guy who realized too late that you can't play a movie

>>375777914
There's still time, though. Fuck me. I just don't know. How long until these refunds go through, usually?

2 hours isn't long enough. Some games are so broken you spend an hour looking up workarounds for stupid EA bugs.

>>375774078
Consumer rights.

Damn it feels good to be a pirate. Literally never have buyers remorse anymore.

>>375778339
couple days, maybe less
its the week day so who knows

>>375778342
>EA
EA is a huge exception, I got KF2 refunded despite having 200 hours on it
eat shit twatwire

>>375774078
movies pretending to be games

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If you can beat a game in 2 hours on your first run. You deserve that refund and the shit should be freew to begin with

Unless it has some absurd replayability

>>375774078
>butthurt indyfag that wants to make money off 1 hour shovelware

>>375778597
I can't imagine being this poor

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>>375778597
Suck on this wretched fiend you vile cancerous scum.

>>375774640
He said good. Also games.

>>375774078
>Why is this allowed?

Because the rule is two hours, can't you read?

>>375774078
Is any game worth playing & paying for if you get less than 2 hours of joy?

>>375778689
Equating length with value is a poor persons mentality.

>>375774206
Medal of Honor: Airborne

>>375778794
I'm sure a dignified gentleman like yourself has far better taste with your $1000 painting of a penis.

*tips fedora*

>>375778339
>Mar 13
It's been too long to refund anyway. Raped.
Now fuck off

>>375778785
No

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go away

>>375774206
Doom

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>>375774206
>Name acualy good games that are beatable in less than 2 hours

Damned near every arcade title from 80's & 90's?

Also, Morrowind.

>>375776837
i dont even think you will get a refund its almost been two months

>>375779007
And I'm sure you buy 128 oz of RC cola because it was on sale

>>375774078
>download idlemaster
>it's broken and starts giving card drops before 2 hours
>refund game
>sell cards for pennies
>buy different game after repeated enough times
why is THIS allowed

>>375778794
I expect 1 hour of play time for every dollar I spend on the game. While this is not the perfect measure of quality there are few quality in measures that can be quantified

Even going without this system? 2 hours or less is simply an unacceptable length for a game. You can argue multiplayer games maybe but if a multiplayer game can't hold my attention for two hours, its shit.

>>375774078
>buy box of cereal from supermarket
>open it up, have bowl of cereal
>get halfway through box and notice the rest of box is filled with shit
>take it back for a fucking refund

that's why

>>375778709
boo hoo go cry somewhere else yoshiro

>>375778794
>Equating length with value is a poor persons mentality.
t. man with 1 inch penis

>>375779339
Does it have to be quantified though? I just kind of know. The two hours I spent with Gone Home was worth $20.

Conversely, the $60 I spent on FFXV was never going to be worth it. I knew that after 15 hours and sold it back for $30. $30 for knowing what the game is all about? Not so bad.

>>375779720
For you to form your own personal opinion? No. For you to discuss video games on any critical level? Yes.

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>>375774078

>>375779650
Man with a 7.5 inch penis. My girlfriend likes it a lot more with quality foreplay and doting attention than she does when I bash her cervix.

>tfw australian consumer laws
might pay more for shit but if there is anything at all wrong with the product (not meeting your expectations is a valid reason) you can get a full refund

Everybody's gone to play better video games

>>375776712
That'd be true and all, if their refund system wasn't automatized.

>>375780051
you mean your female (male) friend ?

go make some proper games you numale piece of shit

>why do people expect an equal amount of content for what they're paying for?
gosh i have no idea

>>375779821
I don't really care about price when it comes to critical opinions. I don't need to know how much the Mona Lisa would fetch at auction to hear someone describe how good it is.

If I want to know what the fastest and nicest car is, you don't have to preface it with, "yeah but it's not really worth it." I'll make that determination

>>375775428
>I heard there is something about the game that you won't get enjoyment out of unless you are online with it.
At the very end of the game you need an online connection for a really good moment. Don't listen to the fags on /v/ and just enjoy a good game.

>>375774189
most movies are under 2 hours

>buy a game at the store
>beat it in a day
>go back the day after with receipt
>"i want to return this i bought from you as i was not happy with it"
>they give me my money back
Why is this allowed?

>>375780526
Most games aren't movies.

>>375774078
>Be a talent less hack developer who makes a terrible fucking game
>Put it up for sale
>People think its shit so they refund it
>"EXCUSE ME WHY IS THIS ALLOWED?"

>>375777285
>>375775428
It has nothing to do with the corpse system(although there is a really fun gimmick with them in one of the routes). It has nothing to do with having fun or anything that will kill your enjoyment, there really is no way to explain it without spoiling the whole experience.

>>375780526
>$1 at redbox
>better story then any game

>>375777983
People like you are the fucking worst
>>375778238
>Nier Automata
>A movie
You could at least try with your bait

>>375780632
1 hour and a half game
1 hour and a half movie

both are entertaining you for the same amount of time.
Why should the movie be worth 10-30 dollars but the game "doesn't deserve your money" because it's short?

>>375779428
Whats with /v/ and food analogies

>>375780747
I think steam should have a rental system

>>375779552
We , as Trpwire find very sad you leave tthe commmuniuty. We home you'll bé able to enjoy our futur game Rising Strom 2. Stay Tuned.

- Yoshrio

>>375780847
Movies and games are not the same thing and trying to misconstrue them is intentionally being obtuse.

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>>375774078
>*Play game for 1 hour and 50 minutes (possibly even beat the game in this time)*
>"I've had enough of that. Give me my money back, Steam."
>*Gets refund*

>tfw just did this

Damn it feels good, actually.

>>375780934
But anon, that's worse then pirating!

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>>375780894
At least half of /v/ are fatasses.

>>375781006
> both are entertaining you for the same amount of time

> it's not the same cuz muh reasons

>>375780894
imagine being so fucking fat that you look at games and see food

>>375774206
Metal Slug

>>375780847
Because watching a movie in a large facility hand tailored for the experience and presentation with a group of your friends is not the same as playing a game in your bedroom on your computer.

If you asked me to pay you $10-$30 to watch a movie alone in my room on my computer I'd tell you to get fucked.

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>>375781250

>>375775105
>Trump
>>>/pol/

>>375776304
"consumer rights" are not a real thing, the phrase just mean privileges that people are used to. there's no moral compulsion to let people return non-defective products, it's a courtesy companies offer because it's good PR. it's the same reason stores let people get away with people dicks--because it's not worth the hassle and bad press to deal with it, not because the consumers have the "right" to.

>>375781371
so a bluray or dvd doesn't cost 10-20 dollars?

>>375778770
Portal

>>375775327
How the fuck do you forbid a desktop client from doing business?

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>>375774206

>>375780272
>equal amount of content for what they're paying for?
This makes zero sense. It's not like vidya games are gold where there is an established price per ounce.

>>375781691
He said "good games."

This is neither.

>>375779165
>Damned near every arcade title from 80's & 90's?
>Implying those don't have replay value.

>>375781716
yes but i'll be disappointed if a game that is more than 20 dollars has less than 2 hours of content
if it were 5, MAYBE 10, i wouldn't mind so much

>>375774078
>(possibly even beat the game in this time)*
>*Gets refund*

is like those restaurants were if you manage to eat 3 of their biggest meals you dont have to pay it

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>>375781405
>a nine minute indie youtube short has surpassed The Iron Giant as "Reaction Image: The Movie" within a month of release

Wonders never cease.

>>375780894
What else would you compare games to in a metaphor?

>>375781805
You wouldn't be disappointed if it was an amazing game. I mean, maybe no <2 hour games currently exist that you think are worth the money, but it's not hard to imagine one that would be.

>>375780894
Memes aside, it's because it's piss easy to make food analogies because literally everyone eats food on a regular basis.
If you don't, please explain how you are reading this while also being a corpse.

I've used the refund system twice

>pure pool
>play for about an hour
>it barely works
>buttons lag for nearly a minute
>menu scrolling literally doesn't work

>Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions
This was just trash overall. Played for maybe 30 minutes

>>375781612
Not where I live.

>>375781930
if it's that amazing i won't mind the $10 price tag

>>375781930
>current year
>not a breatharian

>>375781924
1) that's not a metaphor, 2) the point of an analogy is to help someone understand a complex idea, not to "prove" your argument by saying "it's true for X, it must be true for Y" 3) really, you can't think of ANYTHING more appropriate than food?

>>375781940
>this fag doesn't photosynthesize

>>375774078
Because it's right.

>>375781405
>>375781896
Source?

Refunding a game you've played for two hours is like eating soup for 2 hours then refunding it because you didn't like the spoon.

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>/v/ acts like it's taking a moral stance for what is right but conveniently only ever in their favor
So tell me /v/, would you ever buy a game twice so you could give the devs more money because it was BETTER than you expected?

>>375782286
>food analogy

>>375782226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_MSFkZHNi4

I had to go to reddit for this
You owe me big anon

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Honestly, instead of 2 hours total played it should be ineligible for refund if you play a single 2 hour+ long uninterrupted session, OR 10 hours total.

Why? Most of the bad games are broken in many ways and you can easily spend 3 hours in 10-15 minutes sessions troubleshooting, crashing, restarting and so on before you can actually start playing the game properly. That shouldn't count.

>>375782226
Search "Double King" on Youtube.

>>375782391
Sure if it's made by a small team and it helps them make more games.

But it's gotta be a damn good game

>>375781672
Make all the local ISP providers block it. Or something like that.

>>375782391
t. jew

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>>375782505
>Honestly, instead of 2 hours total played it should be ineligible for refund if you play a single 2 hour+ long uninterrupted session, OR 10 hours total.
>OR 10 hours total

>>375782505
if you buy it and have to spend even 5 minutes before you actually get it to work, it's shovelware and should be refunded immediately

>>375782391
I've bought plenty of games twice, but never for that reason. Buying useless copies could actually be detrimental to a company assuming enough of their fanbase is retarded like you. They'd end up assuming their playerbase is much larger than it is and could invest too much in a product you don't think is worth double/triple dipping and so it'd fail solely because of your faggotry by trying to white knight a company.

>>375780727
Spoil it for me, babe

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Friend tricked me into buying that new meme survival game. I told him it was going to run like shit but he assured me that it wouldn't by showing me YT videos.
When i tried to refund it he said Early Acess games can't be refunded and laughed at me as i panicked over spending money that garbage.

If it wasn't for Steam Refunds i would have killed his dog in order to get back at him.

>>375782931
>retarded like me
>white knight
Making a lot of assumptions, friend. I could have said "donated via paypal" or whatever other method of giving more money soothes you. It was a simple question.

>>375774917
Funny thing was EU already had their own laws about refunds that overrode steams no refund policy so they could already get it after a few messages to customer service and mentioning said law.

>>375783069
>panicked over spending money
If you're panicked over spending money you shouldn't have spent it on ANY game in the first place. This is why you're poor.

>>375781896
I like both of those things.

>>375782391
>So tell me /v/, would you ever buy a game twice so you could give the devs more money because it was BETTER than you expected?
I've bought a game four times because it was better than I expected, eat my shit.

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>>375780239
You got cucked anon senpai

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>>375774078
>>*Action*

>>375783220
>if you don't waste your money on literal garbage, you're poor
???

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>>375781612
>paying for movies

I for one love the steam refund system. It should be more than 2 hours though.

I honestly don't understand the hate for it. Every weekend I try out a couple new games for a couple hours and refund them. Sure I might not be able to beat them, but I get to demo new releases and constantly try something new.

>>375783220
I'm not poor, i just don't like spending money on garbage you fucking retard.

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>>375780051
7.5 is impressive?

>>375783023
I don't mean spoil as in a spoiler, I mean spoil as in ruining the moment for yourself.

>>375782650
But that would apply to a lot of the lower budget slightly broken games that make PC gaming great like STALKER. They do require some tweaking.

AUTOMATIC refunds are under 2 hours. With proper reasoning, an amount of time under 6 hours within the two week period are eligible for refund.

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>>375782603
>Internet Service Provider providers

>>375780526
if you pay 13 bucks for a movie ticket you get a an okay high budget capeshit movie with higher production values than games sold in the $10-$20 range such as gone home or dear esther

>>375783381
>>375783525
Only poor people "panic" over money. A normal person would just be annoyed and pissed off.

>>375783509
>I don't understand the hate for it
>Fruit loop hair colored fatty makes walking sim where they just whine
>Not even 30 minutes long
>Steam makes it so you can refund turds this awful

It's pretty obvious who is upset by this.

>>375783923
>Only poor people "panic" over money.
>lose 5 million dollars
>"wow that's annoying, I hope the guy who did this gets aids"

>>375783797
sometimes you get a good movie
sometimes you get shit
sometimes you get a good game
sometimes you get shit

>>375784125
Yeah that's definitely the context of the discussion. Great job.

>>375784281
Maybe you should learn to write in context yourself then, you stated
>Only poor people "panic" over money.
not
>Only poor people "panic" over a small amount of money.
or
>Only poor people "panic" over 20 dollars.

>>375784232
>thinks this is ok
Also I'm pretty sure you can get a refund for a shit movie.

>>375784475
It is impossible to be specific enough to satisfy every possible ambiguity. That's just how language is, unless you're talking about math (OR SIMILAR, in case you feel like doing it again). The sentiment was obvious from context.

>>375784636
not if you watch the whole thing

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>>375774078
Because DEVS and PUBLISHERS thought demos were a bad idea.

Now if they think they can get away with making swill, beatable in 2 hours; they serve to have their money taken away.

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>Buy a 300 dollar suit
>wear it to an interview
>get the job and return it
Why the FUCK is this allowed?

>>375785003
>this movie sucks ass
>better stay for the whole thing

>>375785470
> game sucks ass
> plays for 2 hours

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>>375774078
Ummm... sweetie, you do not most gamers nowadays are poor nonwhite males, right? If you make a game that cost more than .99$ and isn't even 3 hours long they deserve a refund and to deny them that is scumbag capitalism.

>>375782391
Is the implication here that if they are obliged to give you your money's worth, then you are obligated to give them the equivilant?
Cause if so I disagree strongly:
The developers / publishers make all the terms of the transaction: the game, and the price they are asking of the game. Hence if they feel later on that they could have asked more of people then that is their fault, they should have asked for more or given you less. If the purchaser was free to pay whatever they wanted, then the developers / publishers would have some grounds for complaint if people gave less than what the developers felt it was worth (assuming that they are being fair and honest in what they believe the game is worth, and are not misguided or lying)
It's lilke tipping; you do it if you feel they did a good job, but by no stretch of the imagination is it required, nor do they have a foot to stand on if they feel entitled to tips. It is at this point I feel the need to mention that I am not American, as things I have heard have lead me to believe that tips work differently in America.

There are honestly two EA mistakes I've made where I hope they finally release so I can instant refund them.

They'll never get released.

>>375781250
>>375780526
>"I tried watching your movie, but I spent the first hour and a half getting this analogy to work but then I remembered those are retarded."

Either way, I'm pretty sure the cinema or your retailer would give you a refund within the time and limitations specified for refunds. Went to the Hobbit Movie in 3d for a laugh, left with sore eyeballs and $12 back.

https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/subject/Steam%20Refunds/

>>375788227
> too retarded to understand the actual analogy

I was responding to the person who said all games under 2 hours are shit... solely because they're short