What a fucking disaster.

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>>375755950
>When the ad campaign has a better story than the actual game

>>375755950
At least Halo 6 is shaping up better.

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>>375756061
>holeee fuck blue team jumping threw earthquaked city on Earth with Guardian coming out of earth

doesn't happen

>>375756195
What info says that?

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>>375756336
Nothing really, other than one article reporting "more Master Chief"

>>375756336
>Master Chief focused
>simple story
>new writer
>H2A/HW2 art direction
>black undersuits
>split screen
>no new characters
>returning to Halo rings
>guy that made Halo 5's Forge is now the multiplayer lead

All of this also goes for the future of the Halo FPS series as well.

I recently started playing this (yeah I've been living under a rock) and I've got so many questions

- Who is team osiris and why should I care about them?
- Who is the rest of team blue and why should I care about them?
- Why did they add another spartan with no personality as main character (lock?) when chief is still here?
- Why is Cortana still alive?
- Why is UNSC against chief searching for her?
- Who thought having to fight the warden dozens of times was a good idea?

>>375758530
You had to follow comics and hunt the truth lore to fully understand any of the story. It's a load of shit

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>>375755950
>the chief struggles against the new diversity hire

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>locke/chief fight scene

>>375758530
>- Who is team osiris and why should I care about them?
Brian Reed's pet Spartan IVs, you no longer have to worry about them, Brian Reed got fired.
>- Who is the rest of team blue and why should I care about them?
Characters from the Fall of Reach book, they should have either explain this or not bother putting them in the game to begin with.
>- Why did they add another spartan with no personality as main character (lock?) when chief is still here?
>- Why is Cortana still alive?
>- Why is UNSC against chief searching for her?
>- Who thought having to fight the warden dozens of times was a good idea?
Brian Reed

>>375759225
>Chief is stronger has has weight advantage
>Locke is faster and has a more advanced suit
>rather than either of them use their advantage they both fake wrassled until locke remembered he had a statsis plot device

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>>375759225
Why couldn't they just kill the franchise off?

>>375755950
I read an article recently that said 343 heard the fan complaints and that they will focus more on Master Chief in the next game


GEE

NO FUCKING SHIT

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>>375759750
>your one fucking job for Halo is to make the game about Master Chief
>put him in only 3-4 missions while the other 80% of the game is focused on some irrelevant team nobody gives a shit about
How goddamn incompetent can you possibly be

>>375759750
The fact that they knew of Halo 2's backlash yet still did this shit in Halo 5 pisses me off more.
> they will focus more on Master Chief in the next game
They also said for future games as well. :)

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How will they go back to the old art style if every new and returning character has had a massive redesign?

>>375759952
Everyone in Locke's retard brigade was shit except Buck

>>375759661
WWE is actually more violent than that!

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>>375759952
343 just thinks fan will give a shit about their new characters and their shitty stories.

>>375759952
Brian the hack Reed's favorite Halo's were ODST and Reach so instead a making a fucking spin off for this shit, he decided to force his shitty Spartan Iv's down our throats and sideline Chief harder than Arbiter did in Halo 2.

its not bad [spolier]with friends[/spoiler]

>>375760764
Is brian writing H6?

>>375759661
>hardcore super soldier somehow forgot he has a gun on his back

>>375761858
Brian got fired after Halo 5.

>>375760764
Difference is the Arbiter is actually a compelling character because his involvement with the covenant was genuinely interesting.
I understand why people were annoyed at the time, but looking back it worked out in the games favor.

>>375756819
>split screen
That got my attention. The best part of halo is sitting around with your buds and talking shit while you screen-watch like a bitch and make him watch you teabagging his corpse from two angles at once.

>no more halo 3 custom games
>no halo 3 on pc ever

Would've been the bees knees.

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>>375755950
The multiplayer is fun sometimes.

All 343 did was continue in the direction Bungie was headed with Halo Reach.

The writing wasnt up to par. But literally everything else they did was a continuation of the shit in Reach. Most of the things you hate about 343 era halo can be traced back to reach

>>375763076
What are ''most of the things'' because Halo 4 and 5 added a bunch of awful shit that wasn't in reach

If M$ wants the series to go on for 30 years, how can they expect to get the series on track when they alienated loads of fans?

>>375763498
Same shit with the xbox one.
>xbox and xbox 360 were known for their powerful spec.
>xbox one has lower graphics than ps4 because kinect lmao.

>>375762706
Honestly H5 could've been extremely good and the lack of splitscreen would result in a no buy from me.
I dunno how to describe it, but there's something deeply contemptible about it beyond forcing online/multiple console buys for MP.

>>375763076
All 343 had to do is look at Halo 1-3 and build from those games, not a terrible spin off. 343 got what they deserved.

>>375763913
What's funny is now they plan to get Xbox back on track with Scorpio and Halo back on track with Halo 6>>375756819.

>>375758530

People who don't care about the lore made the game

/thread

>people unironically getting hyped for Halo 6
>"Guys, they're actually listening to us! They're going to bring back splitscreen and Master Chief!"

Reminder that Halo 4 had both of these and still was a shitty game with a shitty campaign. You can't salvage the Reclaimer Saga, especially after the garbage that Halo 5 brought into the scene.

>it's a Chief fights like a drunken oaf episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmFKDvUKbpQ

>>375764134
This

>>375764236
>Reminder that Halo 4 had both of these and still was a shitty game with a shitty campaign
Campaign was still better than ODST and Reach so there was something, it also felt refreshing being the badass green space machine again.

I just want 343 to go back to classic gameplay and aesthetics.

>>375762163

Well desu desu neither wanted to kill each other

>>375764390
I see people writing about how they want old aesthetics, could you explain a bit more?

>>375764510
halo used to look sleek now it looks messy. an example I could give is how greek statues look better to us with all the color worn off compared to how they originally looked. they didn't really change much other than add too much detail.

>>375764492
Shoot him in the leg then, he's also wearing Spartan armour, so it's just going to be like getting punched, as opposed to actually getting punched, which would be more like getting flicked.

>>375764510
Not him, but simpler armor/character designs would be a good start.

Halo 4 and 5 had more armor sets than ever, yet a resounding majority of them look like over designed shit that would appear in a free to play Korean FPS.

Even benchmark Armors like ODST, Recon, and the Mark V look off.

>>375764510
343 focuses too much on detail and it makes everything look like a mess, Spartan armor may not be technically functional in the real world in Halo 1-3 but the designs were boxy/utilitarian looking and looked recognizable. Covenant races like Elites looked intelligent and not like something you'd see from Gears of War.

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>Halo 1
Great
Halo 2
>Great
Halo 3
>Great
Halo 4
>What
Halo 5
>The
Halo 6
>Fuck?

Seriously this Reclaimer trilogy is fucking awful.
Every single character in the original trilogy was likeable, nearly every single character in the Reclaimer trilogy is unlikeable. The art style is hideous. The music is virtually non-existent while the original trilogy has some of modern video games' most iconic. The story and plot was terrible and feels totally disconnected from the original trilogy.

And everything about the Reclaimer trilogy feels contemptuous and forced.
Miranda. Great female character. Johnson, great black character. All loveable and human and relatable.

Compare and contrast them to Palmer and Locke. You went from a great woman and an incredible black man to an insufferable bitch and a hateable nigger. That's the 343i effect right there.

Imagine the Prophets or the Flood existing in this ~Reclaimer~ trilogy. It almost can't be done. And the Forerunners, oh, I mean the "Prometheans" are such dull, ugly, terrible enemies.

Compare what the Forerunners were like in the original trilogy (sentinels, monitors) to this new trilogy; generic flashy orange bionicles.

God how can you fuck up something like this so badly.

The only way Halo 6 could be redeemed is if it tried to emulate the original trilogy and cast off the creative failures of 4 and 5.

I never finished the Campaign. The last mission I did was turning off some jammers or something for Cortana and her giant robots.

Is multiplayer still alive on xbone?

>>375756327

>cutscene shows the full extent of what you can do in spartan armour
>never lets you do any of it, EVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvn1k6__yTc

>>375764381
>lol I hope you read the books
>lol I hope you enjoy the same garbage prothean weapons and fighting the knights

Jesus Christ what a shit opinion.
Reach's heroic death contest was pretty bad but at least you could fight every single Covie race in the series.

ODST was better than both.

>>375764510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o27XC7S24HA

This sums it up

>>375765101
that opening cutscene is the one good thing about Halo 5.

>>375764510
For me I just want old MM. 6 seems to definitely be split in that some love the new system and then others like myself who feel it is more Halo: Call of Duty edition. In beta I was worried about it and then the game launched and it was even worse. I want 6 to have a story that isn't shoehorned in and a matchmaking that is more akin to how older Halos were.

>>375765012
How can you hate Locke?
He (and everyone else in Osiris team apart from Buck) is just as much of a blank slate as the masterchief.

>>375765537
Chief is a blank slate that rarely talks, and when he does, it is a meaningful or badass line.

Team Osiris never shuts the fuck up

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>playing Halo games Bungie had nothing to do with

Why?

Halo 6 is fucked. They are gonna have to bank on new players from pc and the 343 dick sucking shills that stayed with the series after how mixed halo 4 was, how completely fucking broken the MCC was on release and still is, and then the travesty that was halo 5

>>375764381
>campaign better than Reach or ODST

I know you're baiting, but I'll humor you anyways to convince the other idiots who actually believe this, in addition to those who feel that 4 had the "best campaign".

==Reasons why Halo 4's Campaign is Garbage==
>A complete downgrade in enemy AI. Seriously, the enemy AI is retarded compared to even Halo CE's AI, which surprisingly still holds up pretty well
>Prometheans add nothing of interest to the battle field and are a chore to fight through. Promethean Knights are a BS enemy due to being bullet sponges, teleporting randomly and possibly respawning
>Ammo famine. Even if you're a skilled player who is good at conserving ammo, you'll always run out of ammo in this game.
>Many of the missions comprise of Cortana constantly shrieking at you to press a button
>The plasma pistol and needler have OP homing, forcing you to always take cover and therefore turning combat into a long range whack-a-mole game
>the levels are very linear and don't promote exploration
>the final boss is a fucking QTE scene

Fuck anyone who thinks Halo 4 is a good game. It's not.

>>375765101
Literally like a scene from a Marvel film. Sickening.

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>we will never see Halo like this again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzXx8MiHV9g

I want to die

>>375765734
Don't bother trying to argue with these people, man.

They are too far gone and were probably not even born when the first Halo came out.

>>375756819
But will it also be on PC? They promised it would last E3 but Play Anywhere flopped so I doubt they will continue it beyond what was scheduled

Multiplayer power rank
2=3>1>5>4

Not sure about Reach

>>375766250
Yeah it will. First Halo since CE to be released on PC in fact.

>>375766383
5 is definitely better than CE and Reach. If you were to grade it in it's three modes then campaign would be gutter trash, multiplayer would be good, and forge would be phenomenal.

>>375766383
Pre Patch Reach was pretty bad, but post patch Reach improved a lot. Too bad it was far too late.

I still loved Reach's version of Firefight

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>>375765994
What about Halo Wars 2

I hope that along with the return of the classic art style 343 will let Blur do all the cutscenes (hopefully a little less dark than Halo Wars 2 was)

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>>375765537
Locke, just like Palmer, Osman, and Del Rio, are horrifically and constantly disrespectful to original characters like Master Chief, Cortana, and Halsey. That's not just some minor thing.
It's like 343i is deliberately designing their characters to shit all over the original trilogy at every opportunity.
It doesn't give an interesting twist to the story, it's just vividly annoying.

In Halo 1, 2, or 3, there's not a single human character who has contempt for any other human character. In the Reclaimer trilogy all the humans are contemptuous of and bitter towards each other, and it's setting out 'ONI' to be some cheap evil CIA analogue (even if that's an established thing already in those non-video-game fanficy novels that some people apparently read).

Halo isn't meant to be like that. Halo is demonstrably done much better when it's about "humanity", they've removed that theme completely for cheap, badly-done, irritating personal drama in space. It's awful. Halo isn't about humanity anymore, it's about bitchy individuals fucking each other about. That's objectively less interesting.

I'm not against change, I'm against bad changes, especially smug, contemptuous changes by a new studio desperate to make an impression to validate its own unwanted existence.

>"But humanity isn't united because humanity isn't exactly threatened anymore!"
Yeah, and that's exactly why they should have let the series end at 3/Reach like Bungie intended, where the story was wrapped up neat and well, not create artificial internal conflict just as an excuse to milk Halo's corpse. Jesus.

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>>375755950
Is that a new IP or something?

Why haven't I heard of this "Halos" before?

>>375766537
>5 is definitely better than CE
No

>>375766672
People will have you believe that it's better that you hate all the characters this time around because it gives depth.
Being forced to dig your own grave will give you "depth" as well.

>>375766250

>play anywhere flopped

Did it? I have 3 play anywhere games and like it a lot. Did nobody take advantage of it?

>>375766537
I guess it's more nostalgia in my case. Lan nights with the crew used to be so great.
>>375766582
That's why I don't know where to rate it. I dropped it pretty early on so idk how it was later on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J0c-nTpv-A

He's right

>>375765107
>actually like the characters from those shit spin off games
You're the reason Halo 5's campaign was pure garbage. I'm happy you faggots always lose, you lost with Halo 3'a campaign, Halo 4's campaign and with Halo 6 and beyond's campaigns. No gives a fuck about a character driven story in Halo campaigns. Those are always the worst campaigns in the series.

>>375765734
No I'm not, the fact that they are finally dropping the new characters for just Master Chief in halo 6 and beyond makes it a worth buy. When has a Halo campaign that forced players to like characters ever been good because I don't remember Halo 2, ODST, Reach, or Halo 5 being good in the campaign the department. Reach wasn't even good in the multiplayer department. Arbiter, Alpha Nine, Noble Team, and Fire Team Osiris are all failures.

>>375766048
I remember the first Halo had a good campaign because it didn't force aliens and shitty Chief replacements down my throat.

>>375766854
Nostalgia aside yeah. CE has better, more creative maps but it stops there since CE was a magnum fest

>>375766672
It's incredibly obvious if you look at how 343 treats the character of Dr. Halsey. Bungie painted her as morally grey, no doubt having done horrible things for the ultimate survival of the human race, but still sympathetic and understandable.

343 seems to fucking hate her for some reason and practically compares her to Hitler every chance they get.

>>375766672
Locke and the rest of his team are not disrespectful to anyone. They are just following orders and the second time they meet with blue team they immediately offer them their assistance in taking out Cortana or the guardians or whatever

>>375767261
>but it stops there since CE was a magnum fest
This is always the telling that someone didn't understand how the game was played. The game was built around the pistol with niche weapons and power weapons complimenting it.

>>375765012
Agree with everything here.

Campaign
Halo 3 > Halo 1 > Halo 2 > Halo 4 > Halo 5

ODST and Reach ain't worth mentioning because they were both shit.

>>375767469
The entire "FIGHT THE MASTER CHIEF! :D" 343i mindset is cancerous from the start.

Even in Halo 2 when the Arbiter talked about going after the Master Chief it was blatantly less of a disrespectful thing, it felt like it made sense in its own universe. In Halo 5 it's like it's a cheap and subversive attempt to bring Master Chief down a notch, even if he technically 'wins' that horrible attempt at a "fight". And how it was (disingenuously) advertised was way worse still, with Locke being portrayed as some epic Spartan hunter ordered with tracking down, beating, and killing Master Chief.
I hate to repeat myself but it's accurate to say that it's fucking contemptuous.

There's an arrogance or insecurity to 343i's creative decisions, they either can't or won't just build respectfully on Bungie's Halo, they clearly feel the need to undermine it at every opportunity.

Fair enough if you're going to dig up a corpse to further profit off of it, it's an 'industry' after all, but you don't need to go out of your way to desecrate it as well.

>>375768036
>ODST and Reach ain't worth mentioning because they were both shit.
Why did you post Halo 4 and 5?

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>tfw the only people who like Locke only like him because he's black

How there ever been a more unlikable character?

>>375766250
>But will it also be on PC
I doubt it Windows 10 gaming has been a massive failure games like Ori, Quantum Break, and now Halo Wars have already released on Steam. This year may be the last year for Play Anywhere before they move back to just straight up Xbox exclusives.

>>375768207
Locke is just so bland. I don't understand how anyone can even like (or hate) him

>>375768195
Because I get to play Chief the best parts of those campaigns.

>>375768207
I'm black and I hate the mother fucker. I hope they kill his sorry ass in the first mission. Without Brian Reed there is no one who could protect him and his shit team from being killed off like the trash they are.

>>375768394
There's only 3 reason why anyone would like Locke:

a) He's black, therefore black Halo fans can "relate" to him
b) He's modeled after Lucas Cage or whatever his name is, therefore fans of Cage will like Locke
c) They like his armor and think it's cool

>>375768207
It's just a cynical and forced attempt to capitalise off of Luke Cage.
>Hey, Luke Cage is doing well, let's literally just add Luke Cage to Halo! Yay! Diversity! Make him super strong, make him kill off Jul' Mdma like a bitch! Let's make it so that he threatens the Arbiter with some made up backstory about being sent to kill him! And then let's make him save the Arbiter's life! Let's have him actually fight and plan to beat the fucking Master Chief! Fuck it! Why not!

It's not even a racist thing, fuck it, Johnson was pretty damn black and everyone rightfully adores him. He has a personality for starters, and he's not just some cynical black power fantasy inserted right in the middle of the series to ruin everything and insult everyone.

I honestly hate 343i because they really seem to hate Halo for what it actually is.

>>375764510
I always liked the "cartoony" colorful look that Halo 3 had the best.

It was clean and simple while also being good. The newer Halo's are detailed, sure, but it just looks messy to me and doesn't make me think of Halo.

>>375768701
Which is ironic because Mike Colter doesn't even fucking voice him in Halo 5

>>375767226
>critique H4 for introducing auxiliary characters that no one gives a fuck about from a trash book
>critique Reach's shallow heroic death contest
>lmao you actually like the spinoff characters?

kill yourself retard
last (you)

>>375766793
*ahem*
Faggot

>>375768746
>I always liked the "cartoony" colorful look that Halo 3 had the best
I always liked it in Halo 1-3, The only thing I like from Halo 4 and 5 are 343's use of colors. After the bland washed out mess that was ODST and Reach, Halo needed its cartoony bright and vibrant colors again.

>>375768993
ODST gets a pass because it's unique. It's supposed to be a film noir type detective story. It will always hold a special place in my heart.

>>375768993
Nah, Halo 5's colors are too fucking saturated and the armors look too cartoony and plastic because of the colors and bad art design.

>>375768903
Sorry missed that when I posted it, but in all seriousness, been saying this since Halo 2, Halo needs to stop trying to force players to like characters and just focus on that galactic adventure of traveling the galaxy exploring alien worlds, while being in awesome battles. This why people liked Halo not trying to get to know some newbie that just got introduced to the series.

>>375765101
343 fucking ruined Halo.

>>375769180
Halo 5 just uses shit textures and material

>>375769180
But that's what Halo's supposed to be, saturated. It's one of the main reasons Halo 1-3 were loved because unlike their competition, they were bright and colorful. Halo 4 5's main problems are that the art and aesthetics are shit mixed with the ridiculous lighting.

>>375755950
I fucking hate who they added the lore from the books to the game.
I don't give a shit about Linda and Fredd. They just appearing out of nowhere feels like something George Lucas would do.
This feels just like the star wars prequels.

>>375766672
>Master Chief, the spartan that saved humanity from the flood and helped end the Covenant war, missing for many many years
>Shows up on some planet
>Palmer just says some one off line and looks at him like he aint shit
Its like 343 wanted everyone to hate their game from the start.

>>375769618
Agreed

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>>375769167
From the tone of Hunt the Truth I was so hyped up believing that Halo 5 was gonna be an ODST style mystery story about finding clues about the Chief's whereabouts.

What a fucking wash that was

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qfx9eoB-88

>ex-Bungie vs 343i development vidoc
>Bungie presents themselves as being humble, passionate and as people who actually enjoy the series
>343 are clueless and disrespectful of Bungie's direction and are so arrogant in their mentality that they know what's best and what we want

I hate everything...

>>375769771
>Bungie presents themselves as being humble, passionate and as people who actually enjoy the series
Sorry to burst your bubbles but that died after Halo 3.

>>375769763
I just wanted a Chief campaign.

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>There are people that think any part of Halo 4 was good

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>>375770020
I like the Ivanoff Station level

>>375767324
This
I don't give a fuck what she did to create the Spartans
without em = RIP Humanity

>>375770020
I never said its campaign was good, I said it was better than ODST and Reach's.

>>375770020
The atmosphere at the beginning of the campaign was awesome.
From there on everything was boring
Also cortana was qt

>>375770272
True. Cortana in 4 was the only bright spot.

>>375769406
>>375765802
You guys are missing his point. He's not saying that cutscene is bad, he's saying it's good (because it is, it's the most lore accurate depictions of spartans cutting loose we've seen outside of the novels), but he's saying that it's bad because you can't actually do the stuff it shows off in gameplay

>>375766672
>>375767324
>>375769632
I don't get this complaint. Osman and Del Rio were both specifically choosen by Paragonsky to be in the postions they are BECAUSE they would have grudges, because Parangaosky has a massive hateboner for halsey.

It makes sense for them to act how they do. Just because the characters hate halsey doesn't mean 343 does. I see the same issue with people being mad over the rookies death: They think 343 has some vendetta against bungie characters just because they decided to take the narrative a certain way.

It's like people don't understand the concept of character agency.

>Halo isn't meant to be like that.

Except Halo has always been like that, the problem is just that 343 is really, really bad at tying together plot points in the games, and as mentioned above, people are letting their personal biases for characters like the rookie or halsey to get in the way of their enjoyment of plot lines that negatively impact those characters.

As far as palmer, I'm not sure what her issue is. I agree she's an annoying bitch, but if you actually take a step back, she basically has the exact same sarcastic, gung ho personality type that sergant johnson did. If I had to guess, I would guess that she was 343's attempt to fill that character niche, something about her just doesn't work as well in that role, and I can't put my finger on what.

>>375769771
343 has fucked up a lot but that video is pure cherrypicking. I assure you if you gave me a list of all the vidocs that footage was from I could make a video out of them that makes bungie out to be bad and 343 out to be good.

>>375769632
>Del Rio screams at him for "disobeying" him and orders Palmer to arrest him
I couldn't believe it, it felt like an entirely different series.
Contrast that to the relationship between Lord Hood and Chief in Halo 2.

It's such a massive, jarring deviation, and an unjustified one. It's shitting all over the tone and the dynamics of the series all for its own sake.

The
>you just don't like change :^)
crowd don't realise that it's not a matter of it simply being changed, it's a matter of it being a jarring, disrespectful, and unjustified change.

When you change an iconic thing you'd better be changing it to something that's demonstrably better, otherwise all you're doing is removing the iconic element and substituting it with something uninspired, which is inherently worse.

It's like randomly giving the Jedi pistols instead of lightsabers.
>YOU JUST DON'T LIKE CHANGE
No, I just don't want this jarring and disrespectful change without some sort of comfortable or adequate justification for it. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Rewatching the Halo 2 cutscenes
https://youtu.be/QRAT-nzO-G4?t=6m37s
and then the ~Reclaimer trilogy~ cutscenes makes it seem like an entirely different series altogether. It breaks the immersive cohesion that any good series requires. The creative inconsistency genuinely do ruins things.

If Osman or Palmer were in the original trilogy I just feel like they'd be slapped by the other characters for being unlikeable cunts.

>>375770272
Not him but agreed, I did like Composer though.

Why does /v/ defend 343 trying to dumb down their narratives to appease dudebros by making them simple and cheif focused again when they rail against any attempt to remove complexity and appealing to casuals in any other context?

Are all modern halo fans on /v/ dudebros?

>>375755950
I still have absolutely no idea what 343 Was, has been and probably still are thinking spitting on The Chief like that
>hurr durr lets try and turn the player against this beloved Main character of the series
Fuck you 343 I fucking hate you

Johnson is the only good black spartan.

Can 343 please just make MC and Spartan armor design good again. Its all looked so insanely terrible every since they took over.

>>375770539
Because no one gives a shit about a character driven story. No liked it in Halo 2, ODST, Reach, or Halo 5; with Chief you get this sense of adventure, you travel across the galaxy, you visit alien worlds, you're dropped in large scale battles while doing badass shit. When you're Master Chief, the campaign is really fun at times. This is where the other games fail and why people like playing the Chief over the other characters.

>>375770539
Thats the crowd they'd like but they're never going to get. Its obvious with every design choice in 5.

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>Rookie killed off-screen

>>375765537
>How can you hate Locke?
he killed the Rookie

>>375770378
>Osman and Del Rio were both specifically choosen by Paragonsky to be in the postions they are BECAUSE they would have grudges
You're missing the point. That's some irrelevant fanfic-esque explanation, not a contextual justification.
Paragonsky isn't even a character in the series, she's some old bitch in some book. Why do I care?

At least use some in-house justification for why 343i is making these shit creative decisions.
>THE BOOKS SAY
I don't care. Halo isn't a book series. They made some fanficy novels to appeal to the autists who would read them.
They're an auxiliary thing, not a primary thing. Halo has a story, a theme, its own dynamics. These are the original trilogy video games, these are the important and relevant things.

~Paragonsky~ isn't even a real Halo character, what the fuck. She wouldn't have even made sense as a character in the original trilogy.

You're trying to justify awful shit with even worse shit.

>>375770428
So is 343 not allowed to write characters that are unlikeable assholes? How would you have written Del Rio without fundamentally changing what type of person he is that would have been better?

I feel like people are just getting defensive whenever characters they like get shit talked or die because of their own personal biases.

The rookie dying in new blood was 100% the correct decision to make from both a lore and narrative outlook. It gives him a reason to show up one last time, it prevents his character from becoming an S4, which would ruin what makes him cool, it doesn't close off of prevent any worthwhile story threads or future novel/side story chances from happening, and they can always write more shit about stuff he did as an ODST.

Yet people still bitch and whine about it yet don't mind the actual bad character deaths 343 has done that negatively impact both the narrative of the piece of media they happen in and the state of the universe in general, like Jul's death in Halo 5.

>>375770779
Your opinions and taste are awful. Please stop posting.

>>375770864
Wait what the fuck? When did this happen?

>>375770864
the halo extended universe was a mistake

>>375771026
on a shitty fucking comic book

so basically>>375770862

>>375770893
>The rookie dying in new blood
Expanded Universe fags are the worst in every single series.

I wouldn't have written Del Rio in the first place. He's an unnecessary and unlikeable character who doesn't belong in the series.

He is fundamentally out of place in the Halo universe, as is all of this expended universe/ONI/graphic novel wankery that you seem to unironically cite as being relevant to anything that anybody is talking about.

343 isn't great by any means, but modern Bungie would fuck Halo even harder as evidenced by Destiny and Destiny 2

>>375770428
Its like they didnt know who to write for so they wrote for themselves and put all their shitty self inserts into the game.

>>375756819
Damage is already done, nobody cares what 343 does, and Halo is hardly a household name anymore.

>>375770862
see
>>375770378
and
>>375770893

>>375770892
Except the themes in the books and the games are shared. And the story thread the original triology had ended. If it was just that same shit all over again you guys would just be bitching about it being a rehash instead.

You aren't even presenting an arguement, you are just being buttmad that not everybody sucks cheif's dick.

>>375770378
find me a scene in the books that even remotely looks like h5's opening cutscene.

>>375770539
Because their "complex" stories are awfully written and 343 can't write consistent characters for shit

>>375771191
You clearly dont have the mental capacity to see beyond Master Chief and actually look at the world of Halo. I bet you're one of the people who actually want to see his face or some shit.

>>375770932
I no it hurts you lost again, I'm glad they are finally doubling down on Chief, this shit should have happened after Halo 2 that way fans wouldn't need to wait 5 years after Halo 3 to play another Chief game.

I like the Halo books but the moment 343 started making them almost mandatory to read just to know what the fuck was going on in the game is the point where the series began to die.

>>375770378
>>375770893
>>375771152
>>375771152
Remember when Aku was killed offscreen in Samurai Jack when they finished S4? No? Huh, why wouldn't they do that? Makko died, so why go to such lengths to have a fan favorite character continue his story? Huh, really microwaves my ramen

>>375765101
>"contact"
>they've been skydiving past 30 ships already

>>375771278
No I don't want to see his face, but face facts the minute Halo drops the Chief is the minute Halo dies. Halo ODST sales were lower than Halo 1's, Halo 4 surpassed Halo Reach in sales, and Halo 5 had the lowest sales in the main series. People buy Halo for 4 things, the Master Chief, split screen, a good multiplayer, and Forge, nothing else.

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>>375770020

In hindsight it actually had its moments even though it's a soft remake of Combat Evolved.

>wake up, landing on a mysterious structure and end up fighting the Covenant and letting loose a threat to the Galaxy and defeating it

It actually carried mystery and a little suspense and then fell flat very quickly. The art style and presentation is a huge part of what gave Halo it's distinctive identity and it was drastically changed for no reason apart from 343i leaving its mark, I'm not saying they had to imitate Bungie's art style 100% but they could have stayed true to it.

Forerunner's for example left behind huge technical weapon worlds that were deserted but still in their own way very much alive. The control panels flickered and bleeped, even distorting when you got close. It had a very subtle theistic feel to it that made sense because of the Covenant's relation to them. On top of that you had the simple nature of it all, it was very smooth and necessary for what it wanted to portray to the player.

The music aside the main thing missing is the ambience, the background noise and sometimes punctuated silence.

It's all gone and makes the new games feel shallow and it's very noticeable.

I wanna dual wield Halo 4 suppressors in Halo 6 MP.

>>375771152
>DUDE IT'S CHANGED
Right on schedule. The moment you point out that something is worse and unnecessary is the moment that some autistic "read the comics!" retard starts accusing you of being irrational when in reality you just have standards and an appreciation for the norms of a previously successful series.

If Halo originally launched as it is now, as you like it, it wouldn't have been remotely as famous as it is. Things are shit now, they're not good simply by virtue of being new. They're not bad because they're changes, they're bad because they're bad changes.

You're essentially piggybacking your favourite comic book fanfiction expanded universe nonsense off of the success of genuinely good creative decisions that you're willing to write off as being outdated and finished.

Fuck off. If you want to masturbate over your precious 343i comic book nonsense, you don't need to do it while masquerading it around as Halo.

>DUDE UR SUCKING MASTER CHIEFS DICK
You mean... "Halo"? You're mad that I like genuine Halo, and not your unlikeable expanded universe faggotry?

>>375771106
Why doesn't be belong in the series? You are just saying things should be this way or shouldn't be this way without justifying it.

>He is fundamentally out of place in the Halo universe, as is all of this expended universe/ONI/graphic novel wankery that you seem to unironically cite as being relevant to anything that anybody is talking about.

Except it's not. ONI's actions are litterally the foundation of master chief as a character. They, as a faction, and MC as a character are intrinsically linked.

And, thematically, ONI is the most relavent thing to the entire core theme of the Halo series, which is sacrifices at a cost for a greater good. The creation of the SPARTAN program to defend humanity at the cost of kidnapping kids, the cost of the prophet hierarchs lying to the rest of the covenant about humanity to prevent it from fracturing (which is never directly mentioned in the games but Halo 2 was written with this in mind to begin with), the cost of the forerunners sacrificing the rest of the Galaxy with the halo array to defeat the flood, MC and Cortana in CE killing every other UNSC solider trapped on Halo to stop the flood there, etc.

It's a theme that's prevent in every game, comic, and novel in the series, and it's the theme that, in the entire series, ONI is most closely linked to.

Also, you seem to be completely ignoring or are simplyingorant that even bungie linked plot points between the games and novels all the fucking time. The lead wrtier for Halo CE, 2, 3, and ODST wrote some of the novels.

>>375771214
I agree, but that's not what people are argueing.

>>375771181
When Linda shoots banshee pilots out of their cockbits by shooting between gaps in their canopies while hanging upside down off of a moving aircraft herself. When MC, Fred, Linda, Sam, and Kelly in training, at 14 years old, without MJOLNIR, beat a dude in a mech suit byand punch dents into it, etc

>>375771537
>that pic
The moment I went from disliking 343 to hating them. Yes we already pretty much knew what John looked like but showing even a little part of his face just showed me they had no idea what they were doing with the series or the character.

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>>375770239
>thinking 4's campaign is better than ODST

Maximum triggered

>>375771841
ODST sucked

>>375771841
ODST was meh. Reach was great though

>>375771791
You're spewing lore as if that justifies why the esoteric nu-lore is terrible in itself.

You don't need to make everything convoluted and sanctimonious.

It's quite simple - would Captain Del Rio have worked as a character in the original trilogy?

The answer is no - of course not. He's badly written, jarring, and unlikeable. He ruins the entire fundamental tone and dynamics of the series.

ONI was background information at best in the original trilogy. It's an ad-hoc expanded universe explanation for why the Spartans are a thing, it's not the Spartans themselves. Was "ONI" even mentioned once in the original trilogy? I honestly don't remember it.

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>criticize Halo 5 on /hg/
>all complaints deflected to Reach and 3

really makes you think

>>375771946
>>375771952
ODST is the best Halo singleplayer, simply for trying something different

Never played 2

>>375771497

ODST was full priced which was a mistake on Microsoft's part that contributed to it selling less also.

>>375772185
>Never played 2
That about sums up your opinions.

>>375759661
Red vs Blue has better fight scenes than that

>>375756327
>>375756061

has anyone sued MS for false advertising yet?

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>>375770862
>Mission goes balls up and the Rookie is executed by insurgents, not even the fucking covenant
>Mickey joins the Insurgents because reasons and betrays the team
>Buck eventually tracks him down and subdues him
>Mickey begs Buck to kill him because he knows ONI is going to torture him to no end
>Buck refuses
>ONI comes to collect but Buck hands him off to the Spartans because "He's still one of us"
>implying whoever is above Buck isn't going to hand Mickey over to ONI the second he's not looking
Seriously, fuck 343's writing

>>375771489
The rookie isn't aku though, he's an unimportant nobody in the grand picture of things, not the single most impactful character in the fictional universe.

>>375771450
This isn't accurate though, both 4 and 5 are less reliant on the books then even CE was.

The problem is just 343 sucks at writing in the games.

>>375771682
> when in reality you just have standards and an appreciation for the norms of a previously successful series.

So how would you have written Halo 4 that still follows the alleged themes of the original games without it being too similar?

>You mean... "Halo"? You're mad that I like genuine Halo, and not your unlikeable expanded universe faggotry?
Again, the themes of the EU and the games are the same. If you'd read them, you'd know that. see what I wrote in >>375771791

Also, that's not what i'm saying. It's possible for chief to be the focus while still having characters that are in opposition to him.

>>375772175
I literally explained how everything ONI does is thematically linked to the series in general. You are the one who brought up narrative themes, not me.

>>375756061
>>375756327
>>375772324
Halo 2 and Halo 3's marketing camapigns were even more misleading, but nobody mentions it because them they couldn't be stroking their 343 hateboners.

>>375770016
>But that died after 3
At least ODST still came out great, and I personally liked Reach and didn't notice any hubris fucking the game over like with 4 and 5

>>375772398
>Halo 2 and Halo 3's marketing camapigns were even more misleading, but nobody mentions it because them they couldn't be stroking their 343 hateboners.

this lol.

best mp of the gen

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>>375772398
>both 4 and 5 are less reliant on the books then even CE
What the fuck does that even mean

>>375772398
How was 3's marketing campaign misleading?

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>>375755950
Yes it is a fucking disaster. This is coming from a ginormous Halo fan starting at Halo 1.

I was only 13 when Halo launched and I had never seen anything like it since my parents only owned shitty "on sale" Emachine systems from Best Buy. I couldn't play any PC exclusives at the time so Halo was my savior. I still cherish every moment spent in late night LANs with friends in high school. Seemed like every weekend was spent at someone's house for a LAN.

Halo 2 was announced and the hype was beyond anything I have experienced to this day. Me and all my friends went to the midnight launch and skipped school the next day on Nov. 9th 2004. That date is still ingrained into my head. So many good memories with this game. I linked a halo2forum video me and my cousin made back in the day, of course linkin park was playing because what else could possibly play? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jp3Aq7BMqw

Halo 3 came my freshman year in college in 2007 but I was too busy with football and school work so it doesn't hold the same value but was still fun playing when I had the time. Halo 4 and 5 are unbelievably atrocious.

Bought a XB1 for the Master Chief Collection and had a LAN launch night to play with everyone and literally played with the group for 1 game the whole night because it was so fucked up. This was that one game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4bZ8jnyzvk

I still have a shrine in my game room for the OG halos to remind me

>>375762702
i always respected the dude, he was the ultimate blue pilled covenant goody goody, and got red pilled hard as fuck in halo 2. It was cool for the elites to snap out of the islam tier covenant and obtain their freedom.

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>>375772629
>he doesn't own an actual functioning Warthog

were it so easy

>>375772239
True

>>375772185
Kill yourself

>>375758530
who thought pushing 3 buttons and waiting for the elevator was a good level design for every level?

>>375770893
Spartan 4''s were a fucking mistake to begin with. No one should have become a 4 after the 3's entire purpose of being literal throw away soldiers.

And have them quit taking off their goddammit helmets

>>375772398
Yeah, Halo 3's marketing was misleading, because they said "Finish The Fight", and then 343i shat out Halo 4 and 5, which you rush to defend against the people who enjoy the *actual* Halo games.

Halo, as a series, is divided between two groups:
The people who like the original Halo trilogy and Bungie on their own merits, and the comic-reading 343i-loving defenders of the awful Reclaimer trilogy who are more than happy to actively trash the original trilogy to justify their contrarian shit-eating mindset, even though their entire platform is nothing more than a corporate cancerous growth on the universally beloved original trilogy.

One side is gigantically more legitimate in their views than the other.
The people who like actual, original, legitimate Halo don't need to rush to cite the ~expanded universe~ to justify terrible creative decisions on behalf of a new out-of-their-depth development studio.
What they say is self-evidently correct, they don't need WELL ACSTUALLY-esque auxiliary EU reading material like you lot to justify hamfisted, badly-written characters.

>>375772392
See, this is an actually good explanation of why New Blood's writing is bad, nobody bitching about the rookie's death cares about that, they are just buttmad a character they liked died.

>>375772508
That person was claiming you need to read the books to understand 4 and 5's plot. That's inaccurate, because both 4 and 5 explain more about the concepts they introduce then Combat Evolved or even Halo 2 or 3 did.

In Halo 4 alone, you get the librarian, Didact's, the promethians, and the composer's entire backstory explained to you in game in a pretty decent amount of detail. Compare that to CE where nothing about the UNSC, Spartans, or covenant is explained to you, or who MC's, keyes, or cortana's backstory is.

The problem isn't that 343 makes the games reliant on the EU, because they aren't: The problem is just that 343 is shit at writing the games in general.

>>375772545
IRIS had even less to do with 3's actual plot then HunttheTruth does to 5's, and the Believe campaign is only about as relevant as 5's general marketing was.
Halo 2's ilovebees litterally had zeor relation to Halo 2's plot at all, and the 'Fight for earth" campaign was even more misleading then 5's, too.

>>375772837
If something is worth the price and if something is good are 2 completely seperate metrics.

Does ODST magically become a better game if you buy it for a cheaper price? oif course not, because it's still the same game.

>>375772931
The thing is, it'd make no sense for Spartans 4's to NOT be a thing once the UNSC recovered. Why wouldn't they want more supersoliders?

The problem is moreso that 343 had The UNSC recover from the human covenant war so fast to begin with. That's where 343 fucks up the most: they rush the state of the universe and plot lines in and out and introduce new galactric threats so fast that it kills the suspsension of disbelif.

Also, the UNSC being top dogs kills the feeling of them being on edge and the underdogs the original triology had.

>>375765994
>for a brick he flew pretty good

>>375772629
Are you me? Did the entire LAN thing and stopped after an hour. Ended up selling my Xbone after the collection. Fuck 343

>>375773063
> and the comic-reading 343i-loving defenders of the awful Reclaimer trilogy who are more than happy to actively trash the original trilogy to justify their contrarian shit-eating mindset,

You do realize that there were books during the bungie era, too, right? And that the first book came out before the first game? Or that CE, 2, and 3 were written with the books in mind?

The problem isn't that Halo 4 and 5 are EU reliant or anything, they aren't. The problem is that 343 can;t write game stories to save their life and suck at it. Stop conflating the 2.

>>375773151
>Also, the UNSC being top dogs kills the feeling of them being on edge and the underdogs the original triology had.
Yeah, this is why I had a problem with the UNSC Infinity, which is clearly meant to be something 343 wanted to be a mainstay in the story, like their own version of the Enterprise. Past games treated starships as disposable tools, and they very often did get destroyed.

AND in just a few years, they suddenly built this ship with Forerunner tech that completely obliterates an entire Covvy fleet, when normally UNSC got wrecked in direct space combat.

Where were you when Halo went full Lovecraft eldritch abomination?

https://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Silentium

Honestly probably the best Halo book to date.

>>375772931
>Spartan 4''s were a fucking mistake to begin with.

The spartan 4's was when I realized Halo was doomed.

>spartan 2s
>kidnapped as children (and were replaced by fucked up clones)
>brainwashed
>forced to go through extreme military training
>went through extreme body modification which killed a huge percentage of prospects
>are extremely rare and basically god-like

>spartan 3's
>not as good as 2's, but don't need to be
>are completely expendable
>only exist to go on suicide missions
>spartan 3 missions regularly have fatality rates of 100%

>spartan 4's
>LOL WE SPARTANS NOW!!!!

343 is less than worthless, and I won't be buying halo 6.

Reach was the beginning of the end for the series, it was a great game but it was like RE4, it spelled disaster for the series going forward.

Halo 4 had some good and bad to the story, full of poorly written and unlikable characters and Halo 5 fucked up even more, the marketing was false advertising and the campaign a disaster. 343 really fucked this series up, as someone who loves this series I'm really not looking forward to the games in it anymore.

>>375773151
>Compare that to CE where nothing about the UNSC, Spartans, or covenant is explained to you, or who MC's, keyes, or cortana's backstory is
Because you don't need their "backstories"? Because that's not the point?

Most people who've played the original trilogy didn't need to be force-fed all of this abstract EU nonsense. The more these stories are explained, the most convoluted and uninteresting they become.

Okay, the Didact is explained in Halo 4 more than the Spartans are explained in Halo 1.

Take a guess which is more popular and which is more interesting:
>The Master Chief in Halo 1.
Or
>"The Didact" in Halo 4.

It's not a hard choice, is it?

You've equated long, superfluous, unnecessary fan-fiction explanations to good writing.

You don't need to know what date Master Chief was born, or what his favorite color is, or who his childhood romances were, or why he became a Spartan, or what ONI is. Him, and Keyes, and Cortana, and Johnson, are more interesting characters in CE than anything in Halo 4 and beyond. A mountain of shit information isn't better than just the right amount of interesting information.

Halopedia is not more interesting than Halo. Learn to accept this. Quality is better than quantity, and that's right you 343i fags will never learn.

>>375759661
Well, in a way they are.

>>375773709
*and that's why
Always one irritating typo.

>>375773621
I wonder if 343i has it in mind to show that the Spartan 4's are intentionally unlikable over-saturated soldiers compared to the Spartan 2's, or if they genuinely think that they're just as valid. The Youtube comments on the "Halo 5 movie" cutscenes vid really shows that a lot of people despise the Spartan 4's for good reason. They're unlikable and goofy.

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>that one autistic 343i employee ITT
>Still goes on even after everyone BTFO him

>>375765101
FINISH THE FIGHT ...again.

>>375770428
>>Del Rio screams at him for "disobeying" him and orders Palmer to arrest him

Could Palmer have stopped chief since she's a newer model with upgraded armor?

>>375772478
>At least ODST still came out great
>overpriced at launch in the US
>character driven story again
>2 hours long
>force firefight segments n the campaign
>no rain
>several downgrades in visualization from Halo 3
>canon inconsistencies with Halo 2 & 3
>film grain filter making the game look washed out
>can move faster then a Spartan with a support weapon
>can destroy vehicles with your bare hands
>can jump as high as a Spartan
>can hit as hard as a Spartan
>can one man army the Covenant
>has shields
>can't dual wield
>can't use equipments
>flash backs
>character drama
>empty hub world
>no matchmaking for Firefight mode
>locked Halo 3's final map to this game until the next year

ODST sucked

>>375773151
>Does ODST magically become a better game if you buy it for a cheaper price? oif course not, because it's still the same game.
No it doesn't, you're correct about that. If it was a low price it still would have been shit.

>>375773709
Your head is so stuck up your own ass you aren't even realizing you are responding to a completely seperate conversation and that we agree.

343 sucks at writing the game stories. We both agree on this. But the problem isn't the EU, due to the reasons I explained in the post you responded to and >>375773376, which you conveniently ignored

>>375773885
If I was a 343 employee why would I be saying 343 sucks dick at writing stories?

>>375774034
>Could Palmer have stopped chief
chief would flatten her. it wouldn't even be fair. he's twice her size and has triple the combat experience.

>>375773151
The conflict Hunt the Truth was selling had much less of an appearance (if any) in Halo 5. Believe was a series of in-universe retrospectives on the end of the Human-Covenant war (and the series as a whole up until then) which happens in the game. Obviously nobody was expecting the museum scenes to pop up in the game.

But take the two trailers with Locke and Chief about to execute the other in a destroyed city with the UNSC Infinity burning in the background. No such thing comes close to happening in the game. The entire idea of Chief becoming some sort of renegade traitor is reduced to him disobeying an order.

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>Hes still going

>>375773376
I agree with this

>>375774410
>he's twice her size

He's got about 4 inches on her. he's 7'1 in the armor and she's 6'9.

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>>375774379
>If I was a 343 employee why would I be saying 343 sucks dick at writing stories?

to make it not look obvious, but you failed at that

>>375774034
SIV's don't have the same level of augmentations SII's have and rely entirely on their suits for power, chief would put her in the ground.

>>375774636
Yeah this is true, the CGI team 343 outsourced fucked up the height difference.

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>>375774705
was about to post this.

I'm just glad the multiplayer was good. I have a feeling Halo 6 is going to be really good. I remember after 4 came out 343i did a similar thing to what they recently said about 5's cmapaign back when they were admitting 4's multiplayer problems and that they'll do better next time.

>>375771801
I honestly didn't mind the ending of 4. I'm talking Chief's humanization and disenchantment with everything around him. Along with his interaction with Cortana. It felt genuine. And his whole walk back to stasis or whatever at the end worked for me. People looking at him like a walking god, Chief himself being distracted and empty. The reveal of his face might have pissed me off at first, but now I like it.

It's about the only real high point of the entire experience to me. It's not saying much, but it got me feeling something compared to the hours before which lead up to it all.

>>375771117
>117

you have a really good point there

>>375774894
Me too

>>375774798

WHEN WILL THEY LEARN

anyone got a DL for halo 2 PC?

>>375756061
you can't make this shit up

>>375774705
The fucked up more than that anon.

>intro cinematic
>shows Chief wearing the Gen 2 armor
>even shows the original SII teams wearing Gen 2
>the marines at the end are wearing Halo 4 armor instead of the Halo Wars era armor

>>375755950
How many of you had this song bumpin in your car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VmyrHNEmFI

>>375755950
Threadly reminder that 343 is shit and ruined the franchise.

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>an RTS spin-off has better art direction than the main series

343 is fucking incompetent

>>375775635
I know, I just try to ignore it.

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What is the objective ranking of all of the Halo live action trailers?

>>375774641
Except i've been saying they suck at writing stories since I came into the thread you retard.

I'm just suck of seeing people bitching and moaning about non-issues instead of pinpointing the actual ways they fuck up

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>get industry buzz cause they were hiring talented people from studios like Retro, KojiPro, then-Konami, etc. into their roster
>even getting Metroid Prime lead designer on board
>people thinking Halo 4 is going to be something special
>they fuck it up

No matter how "dream team" you are, you are open to fucking up.

>>375776219
Honestly, I think anybody else would have fucked it up even worse.

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Halo 1 had massive changes over Halo 2
These were good changes. They felt genuinely intertwined with the story. They felt like a solid addition to Halo 1, coming together to form a cohesive greater story which, naturally, propelled a successful and famous game into an even more successful and famous series.

The Reclaimer Trilogy does not share this effect.
The Reclaimer Trilogy undermines the integrity of the Original Trilogy instead of building on it as Halo 2 did to Halo 1, and naturally, people like the Reclaimer Trilogy less, people bought it in smaller numbers, and people play it less. It's lower quality.
Just comparing the amount of people who played Halo 3 a year after launch to the amount of people who played Halo 4/5 after launch. It's... it's brutal.

>dude give them all armor make everyone a spartan make them fight master chief
>the elites are like, terrorists now
>everyone is rude now it's cool tho they want to assassinate master chief it's like a big conspiracy
>LOL EGGHEADS NICE

This is worse.

I like to see it as, the Reclaimer Trilogy is to the Original Trilogy what TOR is to KoTOR.
It has a small number of highly dedicated fans who prefer it to what it's based on, but ultimately, it's a whole lot worse, it arguably makes a contemptuous mockery of the original, and far fewer people ended up sticking with it as a result.

>>375775867
Don't worry he's Halo 6's Art Director now.

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>>375776380

Wrong.

>>375776219
And all they had to do was improve and fix the shit from halo 4 when making halo 5 and they probably could have had a pretty good game but instead they decided to fucking just make advanced warfare

>>375776434
The gameplay changes in Halo 5 are legimately good, though, even if the story is garbage

>>375776510
>And all they had to do was improve and fix the shit from halo 4 when making halo 5
They did in regards to the gameplay and MP

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>Tfw I made up tons of scenarios and stories how the "MC is a Traitor" story would turn out
Here is my favorite, its based on this concept art

>Chief is told to investigate the guardians
>ONI pretty much wants to awaken them and use them as a weapon, though they know how many people it will kill by awakening them
>Chief doesn't comply with this
>Chief and Blue Team go rogue, Fireteam Osiris sent to go stop them and also recover Guardians for ONI
>Shenanigans happens, someone on Blue Team dies, but all of Osiris dies besides Locke
>The whole time Locke thinks Chief has just lost his marbles and doesn't want to help humanity anymore
>Chief knows that it isn't right to activate these Guardians, and that he isn't a machine that needs to follow orders (relate this back to the end of 4, how Cortana left Chief by saying he is a human, not a machine like her)
>Chief figures out that ONI is not going to stop at nothing to kill him and activate the Guardians
>Attacks ONI HQ with Blue Team, trying to avoid human causalities but not letting anyone stand in his way (He's killed humans before- see ODST squad)
>Kills the head of ONI (who also has been a cunt in Halo 4 Spartan Ops, again making it a conducive story.)
>Goes off into hiding

Very general story, but this was my favorite. Of course some loose ends would be open but it is much better of a concept than the piece of shit we got

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>>375759661
This scenes even more ridiculous when you consider the fact that the armor they're wearing is suppose to weigh several thousand pounds at the very least.

>>375776434
Better analogy: The Reclaimer Trilogy is to the Original Trilogy what the Star Wars Prequel trilogy is to the Original Trilogy.
You get some people who love it, but it's objectively worse along most available and relevant metrics, it undermines many aspects of the original trilogy, and even ends up full on insulting it in many areas.

>>375776675
Also, Cortana would not be back. She would be dead, and dead for good.

I am just hoping its another gravemind or a precursor or something and not actually Cortana

>>375776759
Except people who hate the prequels are for the most part just nostalgiafags who can't see that the original films have the exact same flaws they shit on the prequels for.

Halo 5 has an almost perfect multiplayer and it's only fault was taking too long to really get to the point where it's at. game modes like infection and many others should have been in Day1.

majority of it's faults fall right on the campaign Brian Reed and Microsoft for misdiagnosing Halo 4s problems, but mostly Brian Reed's shitty campaign.

Nightfall was decent and either Tanaka or Vale should have been replaced by the girl from it. The girl from Nightfall could have had a more personal connection to Locke and given him some actual depth.

Hunt the Truth was great marketing but ultimately oversold the game.

Not enough Master Chief and a god awful choice in villain. Cortana should have stayed dead, she didn't deserve this. Also her general look in 5 is a step backward compared to how she looked in 4.

my one hope for Halo 6 is that Cortana isn't Cortana and just a fragmented forerunner AI merged with Cortana's remains and real Cortana is dead or alive and still a good guy.

>>375776675
I would have disliked this, maybe (I can't say), but this sounds incredible compared to what we got.
I think one of my main issues with 343i's character writing is that their characters are cunts, but the series doesn't seem self-aware about this fact. This would have cancelled that out by allowing you to actually kill that insufferable cunt Osman.

>>375776675
ONI isn't Weyland Yutani levels of disregard for civilian life. It would be better if Chief just had a moral obligation against ONI using the guardians to protect their interests and beginning to use them to possibly incite another war

>>375776913
Palpatine is the only good thing about the prequels. Take him out and they are legitimately terrible. This isn't even a point of contention.

Just out of curiosity, do you also like 343 Halo?

>>375776968
>my one hope for Halo 6 is that Cortana isn't Cortana and just a fragmented forerunner AI merged with Cortana's remains and real Cortana is dead or alive and still a good guy.
Don't worry, the real Cortana died in Halo 4, and the Halo 5 one is just a fragment (I'm literally not lying about this).

>>375776982
Yeah, I am not the best at narratives, but literally anything would've been better than what we got. Hell i would have preferred the Diadact just coming back. I actually thought he was an interesting character.

and Fuck Osman. At least they toned down Palmer alot more in 5.

>>375776993
Going off HtT (lol) it seemed like they were, which is what I was kinda basing my ideas on too

>>375776450
Source?
>>375776045
That is a really fucking hard question to answer

>>375776878
>ts another gravemind or a precursor or something

The precursors should NOT be in a Halo game except for in expository cutscenes. Given that Silentium reveals that they existed 85 billion years before the universe was created having them be enemies that Chief punches to death would just cheapen it and not make any sense.

>>375776913
I will give the Prequels World Building, as well as cool character design, but that is it. They are absolutely abysmal movies in themselves. Cool world with awesome EU (something nuStarWars lacks) but that is it

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>>375764510
Look through some Halo 3 screen shots. Despite Bungie's overuse of bloom and the game now showing it's age, the lighting, armor, environment design and art direction still make the game look kino as fuck. It oozes aesthetics and still makes it look good today especially compared to other shooters from that era.

>>375768701
how fucking stupid are you? Mike Colter did mocap for Halo 5 in late 2014, 2 years before Luke Cage was even a thing dipshit. Jessica Jones hadn't even come out yet.

I don't even think Locke or the Halo 5 campaign was that bad. I think there should have been more Chief, or no Chief whatsoever. Chief and Cortana can't be in every main Halo game forever, they eventually have to pass the torch to another set of characters.

>>375777239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVUevQ7S1MM
3:55

>>375777526
>they eventually have to pass the torch to another set of characters
Or they could fucking stop making games called "Halo" if they've got nothing to do with the actual Halo games whatsoever.

Y'know, that was the original plan.

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Who /Hayabusa/ here?

>>375777387
I agree, but only for the final game, the beta look, which you posted, doesn't look nearly as nice.

>>375777387
I miss that era of early 360/PS3 where the graphics were a step up from last gen, but they weren't aiming for looking realistic yet

>>375777526
>Chief and Cortana can't be in every main Halo game forever, they eventually have to pass the torch to another set of characters.
They should just make another player-insert character like the Rookie/Noble Six then with minimal backstory and dialogue. Trying to do emotional shit in the games is just ridiculous for a series like Halo.

>>375777387
I love Halo 3's colors

>>375777526
>Chief and Cortana can't be in every main Halo game forever, they eventually have to pass the torch to another set of characters.
No they don't people play Halo for Chief the same way they do Metroid for Samus.

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>Halo-tier
Halo 1
Halo 2
Halo 3

>Goodbye, Halo-tier
Halo Reach

>Interesting Halo-Based Spinoff Game-tier
Halo Wars
Halo Wars 2
Halo ODST

>Forget What We Said, We Still Want Your Money-tier
Halo 4

>Oh Shit Nigga What The Fuck Are You Doing-tier
Halo 5

>I Don't Really Know What This Is-tier
Halo Spartan Assault

>>375778148
Yes and no. Eventually, literally everyone will lose interest if the series goes on for decades with the same protagonist. And you better believe they want to drag every popular franchise out that long if they can.

>>375777939
>Trying to do emotional shit in the games is just ridiculous for a series like Halo
That's where they fucked up with ODST and Reach, why do I need to give a fuck about Alpha Nine and Noble Team. 343 made the same mistake with Osiris. 343 also makes the same mistake that Bungie did in Halo 2, trying to get us to care for another character in a Chief game. Forcing people to like characters is not going to get people to like these characters.

>>375755950
343 KILLED IT ALL

>>375778330

Halo 4 was so fucking bad holy shit.

>>375778352
>Eventually Mario has to change, literally everyone will lose interest

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>>375759661
>Locke wastes an entire five seconds to let Chief turn around so we can get a cool looking shot of Chief's cracked visor.

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>>375765012
THISSSS

>>375778352
Did people lose interest in Mario, or Kirby, or Samus.

>>375778352
>Eventually, literally everyone will lose interest if the series goes on for decades with the same protagonist.

>what is Legend of Zelda
>what is Mario
>what is Metroid
>what is Tomb Raider

U R dumb

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daily reminder

>>375778581
MCC Halo 1 is certainly a dumbed down version of the original

>>375778450
That rings true though. I'm not saying you have to change the main character necessarily. But they have to start changing just about everything else.
>Super Mario Galaxy
>Super Mario Maker
>Mariokart
They start making entirely different games with the same character.
>>375778567
>Mario
see above
>Kirby
For the most part, yeah. I think his last game did well but they put him in a mech. Which, well, see above.
>Samus
lol
>>375778580
>those examples
see above
>Zelda
They change the formula for the games a pretty frequent amount to keep it fresh.
>Tomb Raider
c'mon anon, it's basically a whole different character

Games MP is good if you look at gameplay, custom games and forge. I also like the diff weapon variants but war zone was a mistake. It is cool there are for example 2 battle rifles in this game.

They fucked up really bad with the campaign and with warzone. Hope they remove war zone and micro-transsanctions

Campaign would have been much better if it was chief only (with blue team) I wouldn't mind buck and vale. Locke and tanaka are bad characters. maybe I am just racist but locke seems like a forced black guy with no backstory and tanaka is just ugly. Vales look and the fact that she can speak shangheili make me like her. Buck is just simply awesome.

>>375778781
Whats the population count right now?

>>375756061
No kidding, it feels like the ad campaign's screenplay has way more lines than the actual game itself. A disappointment in every aspect. The only I have with this game is playing Firefight on Heroic difficulty cause I'm a casual scrub.

>>375756819
>>H2A/HW2 art direction
>>black undersuits
I'm gonna need some evidence.

>>375765138
Great video

>>375778732
>Samus
>lol
Kill yourself

>>375779063
Don't know but it is one of the most played Xbox one games and let's me find games faster than with siege and siege is also very popular.

They hide player count I believe

>>375759497
>Brian Reed got fired.
What? For real? Nigga don't toy with my feelings like this. Are you serious?

>>375779237
>butthurt detected
Honestly though, I just don't know all that much about the Metroid franchise other than there hasn't been a game in forever.

>>375765016
>Is multiplayer still alive on xbone?
yes

>>375777387
I don't like Halo 3, but at least it looked good.

>>375779238
Ah okay, game seems a bit expensive right now, at around 60cad i'll wait for a sale to try the multiplayer. Haven't touched Halo in 4 years.

>>375779334
She's the main character and people play Metroid for her nobody else.

>>375779275
Yup they had the job up for grabs like last month but someone already has the position now.

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I'm not simply a "nostalgiafag", I really do honestly just wish that the new trilogy retained the artstyle, the music, and key elements of the plot of the original trilogy. There's still plenty of room to change and improve, but I really do dislike the changes that they've used.

There was a lot of potential for good, positive change, but they made mistakes with everything that they did.

I can't name a single thing about the new trilogy which is an improvement on the old. Not one thing.

From my perspective, every single thing (every[/spoiler] single thing) about this new trilogy is either worse or at best barely on-par with the original trilogy.

I just wanted Halo to stay good or get better. This is entirely worse. It didn't need to be this way. This new trilogy is not enjoyable.

>>375779876
Yes, but there has't been a Metroid game in... almost 10 years?
So... that was kind of my point.

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>>375779914
Oh damn. That is really not how those spoiler tags were meant to go.

>>375779775
Game has been on sale multiple times for 20 euro's.

I bet you can find it physically also very cheap. For the MP it is worth it imo

>>375780201
Looking locally and some guy is selling it for 20cad near my place. I don't want to get back into this series man. Halo 4 and MCC hurt me so much

>>375779914
What about halo 5 more realistic zoom/smart scope for rifles and the armor abilities+ Sprint

The latter makes the game much more competitive than halo 3 and 4. I never played halo 1 and 2 online so cannot compare

>>375780312
Is this bait?

>>375755950
>343
>caring about babby console fps
so this is what xcucks think of when they say w-we have games

>>375759661
The cring.

>>375780282
I know man the suffering sucks. Although some people seem to hate 4's campaign

I think halo 4 had a good campaign that felt like CE campaign chief+cortana New enemies and new planet. The MP was a disaster


Now with halo 5 it is the other way around the campaign is horrible but the MP is good. 343 need to get their shit together already. Bungie always made perfect games in all categories while 343 can only get half the job done it seems...

Let's hope this time with the Scorpio a really powerful console they can make halo great again! But I have my doubts

Halo 3 was for 3 years I believe the most played 360 game. meanwhile halo 5 got probably killed off after a month

Loved this game, even though it's basically Halo 2:Part 2.

>>375780454
N O
>>375780470
Xbox one is the best console out right now. prove me wrong

>you can't

>>375772398
>Halo 2 and Halo 3's marketing camapigns were even more misleading, but nobody mentions it because them they couldn't be stroking their 343 hateboners.
Nobody mentions them because those games were way better than the dogshit we get today

>>375764381
>final "challenge" was literally a single QTE

Halo 4 can rot

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>>375780312
>realistic zoom
>makes the game much more competitive
>I never played halo 1 and 2 online

>>375780312
>The latter makes the game much more competitive than halo 3 and 4
The only reason competitive Halo 5 exists is because 343 is propping it up, without their support the scene wouldn't even exist.

>>375781575
>Halo 1 ends with a long race away from an exploding ship
>Halo 2 ends with a boss fight with the Chieftain of the Brutes himself
>Halo 3 ends with a long race away from an exploding Forerunner world, reminiscent of Halo 1
>Halo 4 ends with a QTE where you stick a grenade to some awakened Forerunner dude

I seriously wonder what percentage of 343i is ex-Bungie. I can't imagine it's a significant proportion.

>>375781970
>I seriously wonder what percentage of 343i is ex-Bungie
It's very small, just some artists and PR guy

Who's bigger and stronger, Atriox or Tartarus?
Atriox seems bizarrely overpowered for a Brute.
In Halo Wars 1, three Spartans could take on a wave of elites.
In Halo Wars 2, one Spartan could take on a wave of brutes, but a wave of elites couldn't take on Atriox and his brutes, and three Spartans couldn't take him on as an individual.

Halo power levels are confusing.

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Skimmed through this beast, couldn't find a run-down of exactly what the fuck happened.

I loved Halo all the way through Reach (Yes, Reach.), got excited for 4 but ultimately never bought it.

What the fuck happened

>>375780454
>>375781616
>>375781913
I have no idea what he's even trying to say there but I do like how in 5 you can zoom in with autos so they are useful past just 5 feet.

>>375781970
I hate 4 but this is a bad comparsion. In the final mission of 4, you had a death star esque trench run. You are comparing the entire last missions of 1, 2, and 3, vs just the last moment of the last mission in 4.

>>375782497
343i

>>375778581
>amazon prime

>>375759661
What a shitty fight scene. These guys are supposed to be superhumans wearing heavy power suits that augment their incredible strength and speed even further. All they're doing is slowly stumbling around while they awkwardly throw weightless punches and kicks.

>>375782713
I genuinely forgot about that. It's not as interesting as it sounds when it's written.

Halo 4 is the most recent Halo game I've played and I can barely remember any of it compared to every earlier Halo game.

>>375781575
Never said I loved the campaign, just said I liked it better then the shit Bungie shat out after Halo 3. They really should have went with their original idea and just made Halo 4, no one asked for a shitty ass prequel.

>>375765994
>When a third party CGI movie animation studio understands the series art direction better than the developers assigned to literally only make Halo games.

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>>375778330
>Get sort of bummed by Promethians after I figure out they're just a copy of covenant and offer nothing new
>Boss fight
>Juggernaut threw all the baddies
>Finally have my showdown
>Expect a Halo 2 tier fight I've been craving for
>It's a quick time event
Halo was dead to me after that

>>375782807
Yet when 343 actually animated spartansfighting right in the opening cutscene people still bitch and moan about it being "too actiony"

343 has fucked up a lot but realistically speaking, even if they did everything right people would still bitch and moan.

Halo's fanbase is too fractured. It's the same problem the sonic games have. Too much changes between each game and there's too many subcommunities in the fanbase that no matter what 343 or anyone does, at least half the halo community still won't like it.

>>375783751
Both of those things sucked though. The opening scene was completely unlike anything we've seen in previous halo games and wasn't realistic with the lore. It made the convenant look like complete pussies. They were just KO'ing elites and shit like they were nothing.

The Chief vs Locke fight was just shit because it was a shitty fight scene.

>>375767074
It involves using the Windows 10 Store.

>>375784418
>The opening scene was completely unlike anything we've seen in previous halo games and wasn't realistic with the lore.

This is wrong though, it's completely in line with what spartans do from the books. The elites dying too easily is a seperate issue.

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>>375755950

Try again sweetie

>>375784654
>This is wrong though, it's completely in line with what spartans do from the books
Spartans value stealth over charging down a fucking mountain as if they were Marvel superheroes.

>300 replies
>Almost no shitposting
OP here, thanks for talking about a series I used to love.

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>>375784745
This edge can cut through steel beams.

>>375762706
Tbh only pure faggots trash talked during matches. That kind of bravado is for low IQ chads who will be working manual labor at a warehouse at age 40.

>>375783010
But that's 343's art

>>375783751
They just need to listen to the right fans. Listen to the Halo CE and 3 fans for the campaign, listen to the Halo 1-3 fans for the multiplayer. They needs to ignore the fans of the lore along with ones that want a campaign more like Halo 2, ODST, Reach, and Halo 5. These guys will still complain but compared to the main fans they are a minority. 343 keeps listening to these guys and this is why Halo sucks now.

>>375785025
I loved it too man. It sucks to see the series get ruined by a company that just doesn't care about it.

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>>375768207
>We will never get the interesting version of Locke from the original script

>>375756819
>tom french is now multiplayer lead

Thats really good news. He and his team are pretty much the main good thing at 343, kept 5 from being a complete disaster with how good forge was and all its updates were.

>>375787196
It's not worth getting excited. The Forge team had free reign since their project is very niche. No telling how strict the higher-ups will be.

>>375787716
The higher ups have two choices and ONLY two choices. Either let Halo go back to its roots like half the shoote rmarket is doing, or adopt a character/class based system like MOBAs, Overwatch, Quake Champions,etc

Anything else like trying to make all sides happy will just continue to fuck them over

The original Halos were just way TOO slow and boring so it needed to be MODERNIZED by taking features from other shooters to improve the formula by changing it- said nobody ever except for 343 cucks

>>375773151
>4 and 5 explain more about the concepts they introduce then Combat Evolved or even Halo 2 or 3 did.

4 and 5 can only exist because of the retarded backstory introduced in the newer books

>>375785356

T. Brian Reed

>>375765101
And then there is Blue Team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0bYEToC0zA

>>375765012
Most correct post.

>>375783010
343i didn't fuck up H2a famalam

>>375789831
Blue team was way too fucking talkative

>>375789013
What does that even fucking mean?

>>375785443
You are essentially just going NUH UH I KNOW BEST ONLY LISTEN TO ME

>>375784841
Sure, but when stealth isn't pratical or useful they do do shit like that all the time

>>375785025
Are you insane? The entire thread is shitposting and bitching and whining, 90% of the people in this thread don't even know what they are tlaking about