>muh elevator that leads to a sky volcano

>I'm gonna build my cathedral on an active volcano

yeah okay

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>players have to go through an active volcano
>don't die from the toxic fumes alone

>>375750932
>high fantasy
yeah okay

>>375750932
>implying the cathedral was built after the hellgate opened up

>>375749279
>dragons, skeletons, undead, sorcery, pyromancy, wraiths, giants, trolls, serpent men, golems etc etc
>A FUCKING SKY VOLCANO????? LE FUCKIN DROPPED DUDE!!!!

>>375751082
>Player is already dead.

>>375751431
>but poison works for some reason
>so does fire, water, electricity, wooden arrows etc.

>>375751574
fucking b-team

>>375749279
Problem is Earthen Peak isn't right next to a volcano.

>Burning the windmill drains a small pool of toxic ooze a kilometer away.
>But not the dozens of ooze pools elsewhere in the building.

really ascetics my bonfire

>>375749279
>look at this fan art, guys. The Volcano is right next to it!

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>>375751842
uhh...

>>375752557
they're not connected, theres no tunnel or structure connecting the top of Earthen Peak to Iron Keep

>>375752557
Okay so why isn't the back of Earthen Peak facing the volcano? And why is it miles away?

>>375752557
this isn't in the actual game.

>>375752557
Oh yeah, a ten second corridor and a short elevator ride will get you straight there

>>375751958
Well they do describe the area as like a big bowl full of lava that they filled up and he became the "iron king" given the amount of smelting they could do with that.
And all the ore for the smelting was pulled from earthen peak.

It's not really a hard concept I wish people would drop this earthen peak to old iron keep meme.

>>375752654
>>375752757
>>375752764
>>375752792

Time and space is warped. Space is warped. You guys'd know this if you paid attention to any of the lore.

>>375752654
>>375752757
>>375752764
>>375752792
time and space are convoluted

What was earthen peak even for and why is it connected to volcano town?

>>375750932
Sounds pretty metal to me

>>375751110
>DaS
>high fantasy
yeah okay

>>375750932
you got it wrong

the king built his entire castle out of iron and it sunk into the earth

>>375752879
Nobody complained about your shitty bowl of lava. It's the world design, and Earthen Peak isn't lining the wall of a volcano.

>>375752557
this is a mod
so is the recoloured armor set

>>375753026
You know what high fantasy means right? Because it seems that you don't.

>>375752976
It's a mining operation like Tseldora, but all that poison must naturally be there, so they have the windmills to pool it out of the fields into reserves. Just a guess.

>>375753026
>game series have plenty of high fantasy elements
>imblyin hihg fantezy X-D
yeah okay

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>>375752945
>>375752947
w-woah....miyatomaki at it again...

>>375752976
The Peak was a giant mill, and the valley below was farmland, they provided food to the Keep. Then snake lady came in and turned the whole place into poison town because apparently poison was great for her complexion.

>>375752945
>>375752947
Excuses.

>>375750932
>active volcano
It wasn't like that until the iron king fucked up

>>375753816
how did he fuck it up?

>>375750932
>I'm gonna build my cathedral on an active volcano
Basically what the Ivory King did too.

>>375754171
His entire castle? It's made of iron. Everything.

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Where's the volcano?

>>375754517
It's using the Chameleon spell

>>375754517
Can't you see the huge mountain right behind the mill?

But I like the castle in the sky.

>This huge fortress was so heavy it sank into the ground and pretty much hit lava

>In the sky

>>375754847
>the keep was too heavy it shattered the earth under it creating a huge lava crater

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Can anyone name a more based character in all of Dark Souls than this man?

>>375755250
>have to grind for a bunch of rare drops to get his armor instead of just buying it off of a vendor like every other boss set in the game
What the fuck were they even thinking?

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>>375755250
>so rad he follows you into giant memories

>>375755004
>in the sky

>>375755349
Well he isnt just like every other boss though, is he?

>>375755475
Yeah, he has a shitty add gimmick, too.

>>375755349
I should really make a character to summon people to farm souls.

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>>375755250
Hello, my name is Tarkus, and I solve problems by hitting them with my sword.

>>375755446
>what is erosion?

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>>375755250

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http://peterbarnard1984.tumblr.com/post/113163062955/dark-souls-2-design-works-translation

>>375755583
Erosion that brings a flying chunk of flying sky-land down into the mantle without bringing it down from the sky?

>>375752757
fuck you

>>375755797
NO FUCK YOU

>>375750932

Learn the lore before you pop off about it. This shit isn't even deep and NPC literally spoonfeeds it to you

Thats the fucking point, the world is ending and shit is fucked, thats what this time is convoluted part is about. All the lands from different times are pulled together towards the kiln, thats why things like these happen, why characters from different times and places appear, and you find items from all the different lands everywhere. It is not supposed to make sense.

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>>375755765
>Of course conventional wisdom would place magma underground but when you start to consider this lake and realize that there must be a reason for it being there, then the world becomes a little more interesting.

>There isn't a reason for it being there.

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>>375755765
Sums up this clusterfuck of a game.

>>375751364
>it's fantasy guys there's no need for anything to be coherent

>>375756074

Nigger I'm just providing information from the devs. Please directly quote my stance on the issue.

DUDE OLD IRON KING IS GWYN LMAO

>>375756041
Sounds like an excuse for lazy world design.

>>375754661
You mean that mountain several miles back that doesn't reach the clouds?

>>375756173
Nigger I'm responding to the dev's comments.

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>>375754517

>>375756196
Yeah, because the most important thing in a videogame is that it's grounded in reality.
It's not like you can make a series out of a plumber who fights turtles and eats mushrooms to grow or some shit like that.

>>375756351
Except earthen peak doesn't connect to the mountain, nor does the boss room go that far back.

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>>375756443

>>375756392
>>375756154
or it was time constraints and they had to repurpose already made assets because the first director of the game fucked up so bad.

>>375756351
Not an argument. Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and Dark Souls 3 didn't do that.

>>375749279
>things that don't appear in actual game
You sure showed me, OP, with that killer fanart that never actually happens!

>>375755349

Director worked on MH before going to From Software, so grinding is in his blood. That's his biggest fault, IMO.

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>>375755784
Are you retarded?The tip of the mountain sank down inwards therefore created a crater of lava.

>>375755412
What was even happening in those giant memories, anyway?

>>375756703
I would believe you if the elevator went down, but it doesn't. You have an elevator going into nothing.
They literally could've done this like Sens Fortress and Anor Londo.

>>375756831
Except that he didn't.
The Monster Hunter director left before the game was finished

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>>375756959
Vendricks war on the giants coming to a climax.

he lost

Literally all they had to do was have the elevator go down. Why didn't the elevator go down?

>>375756703

I don't remember right now. Didn't some guy try to explain away the Dragon Aerie?

>>375757053
Didn't you, the mc, save the war for him by killing the giant lord?

>>375757053
This will forever be disappointing.

>>375757010
>mountain range is miles above earthern peak
>tip of the mountain sinks into the range that gets flooded with lava
>???
>range should now be below ground

I dont get what your saying. The entire range is still miles above the mill. The keep only took the top down

>>375757053
>what could have been
It still hurts.

>>375757070
I guess they already had the skybox and volcanic creator designed and didn't think enough about it. Interestingly, the player was originally going to walk along a giant chain holding iron keep from sinking deeper into the crater. It got cut for time but made it into the second DLC.

>>375757201
>save the war

Both sides lost, sure the giants technically lost worse but there was no winner. The king had already fled to his tomb, the giants had ravaged the fortress and were annihilating all his forces until you time travel and save everyones ass just like the MC in DaS1 dlc.

>>375757201
>kill Giant Lord in the past
>claim his soul

>find Giant Lord in the present
>he's not dead though?
>fight him as the first boss in the game
>he still has his soul somehow???
>claim the soul that he shouldn't have???
????

>>375757234
There is no mountain range behind earthen peak, and your "you went 500 miles" bullshit isn't an excuse.

>>375757462
Not the same giant boy-o

>kill asylum demon at beginning of das1
>kill asylum demon again at end of das1
>What gives why can you kill it twice?
Thats how dumb you sound

>>375757431
I'll buy that. I didn't know Vendrick had already stolen away to the catecombs though. Also, how did those giants end up in the black gulch?

>>375757597
Except the last giant is the Giant Lord

>>375757462
T-time is convoluted
Honestly it's the best cop out they could have come up with and I bet they're glad they made it early.in the game's lore

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>>375757590
>There is no mountain range

Then what are those things behind the mill in this guys pic?
>>375754517

>>375757462
The giant memories are just weird and make no sense in general, like the rest of Dork Souls 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMFDummTtp8

>>375757431
And that's not even going into how fucked the other 3 kingdoms were already at that point. Drangleic truly is the land where kingdoms rise and fall.

>>375757683
But in DaS3 they take the care to make it internally consistent when they do this.
>Kill Iudex Gundyr in the present
>get no soul

>Kill Champion Gundyr in the past
>claim his soul

>present Gundyr has no soul because it was already stolen from him in the past

>>375757842
A mountain range that is miles away from earthen peak. Boss room only goes about a mile and then it goes straight up into the sky directly behind the mill.

>>375757842
Go into your game right now and take a screenshot of you walking horizontally by dozens of miles to get to Iron Keep from EP oh wait you can't because the elevator sends you straight up by like only 100 feet and then you're magically there

>>375758010
Then you agree.

>but the tunnel is too short
I dont see you arguing about the walk to the forest of fallen giants or heides from majula.

Be consistent if your going to complain.

>>375757665
>sotfs

Oh, I didnt read all the new descriptions

>>375756876
maybe next time he should try building a castle on a swamp

>>375758213
Alright. The entire game is terrible, but that spot is by the worst.

>>375758213
The argument right now is about Earthen Peak specifically. Dark Souls 2 in general is full of fucked up space. I don't see what point you're trying to make here by bringing up stuff no one is talking about right now.

>>375752945
>>375752947
>Time and space is warped. Space is warped.
it's only ever stated that time is convoluted, not space. and the first game portrayed this fantastically

>>375758474
>space is not warped
what is the entirety of Dark Souls 3

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>>375758379
Its really not though, this is how far the fofg is supposedly from majula and hiedes.

>>375758430
It happens much worse on the way to drang castle itself yet no onw brings that up.
>wahh game does a thing I dont like consistently throughout the game
Maybe play a different game if thats all you care about

>>375758559
everything fits together fine, theres just some time travel shenanigans. you can see the exact locations of all the areas you are going to from the ledge after Vordt

>>375752945
>>375752947
>convolutedmind

I'm surprised Mytha didn't have a magic portal or something. I mean she was enamored with the Iron King anyhow.

>>375758213

If you had been around for the release of DaS 2, you would know people bitch about how the world is arranged in general. Iron Keep and Dragon Aerie as simply the wort examples.

>>375758595
How about the game becomes consistent with its series because every other souls game doesn't have this problem.

>>375758668
Are you retarded?Did you not watch the intro cinematics?

>>375758668
Yeah, the map physically fits together and the geography works out, but in DaS3 the world is literally collapsing on itself, areas that are supposed to be separated by hundreds of miles of territory are getting scrunched together so that they're now touching. The game tells you this explicitly in the intro and you see its' final form for yourself in the end of the game where the entire world gets jumbled up into a big pile of garbage.

>>375753026
It's literally the definition of High Fantasy though, Souls-fag

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>>375758752
I was around

>tfw you can see dragon aerie from shaded woods

>>375758806
That still can't be used as an excuse for DaS2' fucked world map, though, because even in DaS3 where they deliberately tell you that the world is getting crunched like a sheet of paper, the game map itself is coherent

>>375758595
People bring up Earthen Peak to Iron Keep a lot because of how obviously bad it is, but yes, there are other fucked up parts of space in the game, too. I don't see what point you're even trying to make here.

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>>375758782
How about I dont care and From is best off making unique one off games but i still play all 5 shitfests because they are fun.

>>375758881
I don't see the 10 mile high elevator that takes you there from Aldia's Keep

I haven't played through the DLC yet and I still call the game shit, so I'm at least gonna give it a chance

I've been doing the good ol Rapier and Black Bow run because I hear it's the most non-frustrating way to play through everything else in this game. Any tips?

>>375752945
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>375757053
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6uyuIQYlfY

It still fucking hurts every time

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>>375759034
Its on the other side

>>375752947
How would a Dark Tower game made by From be?

The whole game is full of lazy level design. The only positive was having no idea what the next area was going to be because anything was possible.

>>375758806
are you referring to the "transitory lands" line? transitory just means not permanent, and it says thats where the lands converge so they probably were all there at past points in time and you're just going to different eras for each one

fuck you cunts for hating on ds2

i have like 500 hours on ds1 but i also really enjoyed ds2 even though i only have like 200 hours

>>375758559
>What is the entirety of Dark Souls 3
That's Dark Souls 3, and actually a part of the plot. It was not a thing in Dark Souls 2. Are you stupid?

>>375759276
No, play the DLC. The lands are literally being dragged from where they belong and forced to converge over Lothric/the Kiln.

>>375759239
And then entering a new area was disappointing, because it was usually lackluster shit like Doors of Pharros.

>>375759276
That would have been a compelling argument before TRC came out and showed the whole world getting tossed like a salad at the close of the Age of Fire.

>>375759276
>Yes, indeed, it is called Lothric, Where the transitory lands of the Lords of Cinder converge.
>Converge

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So is drangliec even real?

Or is it like all time travel from the start when you drop through the portal.

That intro still doesnt make sense to me

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LOL

>>375751364
>dude, we shouldn't build a cathedral in a volcano
>man, there are dragons and sheit
>oh right, it makes sense now

>>375759531
Earthen Peak is in the DaS3 DLC, so it's real.

>>375759295
I have 700 hours in DS2, ignoring SotfS.

>>375759239
It almost feels like the level creators didn't even take the size of the player character into account while making them. They just feel cramped like they should have been upscaled before being added

>>375749279
Ah, don't remind me how much I hated almost every single location in DS2.

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>>375759589
So then all of das2 is wandering through time and space haphazardly

>>375759531
Yes. Drangleic just feels like a rushed, cobbled-together mess, possibly because of the shift in directors during development.

>>375759554

2 is actually crestfallen, so he never makes a move. What is your point?

>>375759554
So DS2 had the only true crestfallen?

>>375759531
>Or is it like all time travel from the start when you drop through the portal.
How is it that you apparently get unlimited time in your time travels into Drangleic (as evidence by the time travel fireflies that hang around in the intro cinematic) but you're only limited to 10 minutes when doing it with the ashen mist heart?

>>375755765
Why are /v/ fanboys still trying to claim that the Earthen Peak/Iron Keep connection makes sense when even the creator admitted that it was a failure and doesn't make sense?

>>375759531
Considering how so much of the pre-release material was centered around time imagery, I want to say it was supposed to be a story about traveling back to the past, ala Oolacile in DaS 1.

We'll never know because DaS 2 probably had the worst development out of all 5 recent FromSoft games

>>375749279
did you actually play the game? you look at earthen peak and its this huge pillar with nothing behind it or to the sides

>>375759531
>be a human
>undead curse hits again
>you lose everything about yourself
>try to look for the cure
>find this myhtical land called drangleic that exists paralel to the real world
>the whole theme behind drangleic is mirrors
>that is why you jump into water to travel there
>that is why its very symbolic inside drangleic castle

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>>375759762
>time travel fireflies
wut?

>game makes it abundantly clear in Things Betwixt that Drangleic is not part of the "outside world" but is in its own fucked up little realm
>people still flipping shit over space and time being fucked up
how embarrassing

>>375759669
You literally travel through time by jumping into a whirl in front of the Iron Keep ruins. I think that needs to be explained first.

>>375759554
>No DeS Crestfallen Spirit that literally gets so depressed he fades from existence
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/crestfallen-warrior

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>>375760047
>>375756154

>>375759902
Heide's to No-Man's Wharf is still the biggest disappointment for me.
Cool-ass sunken city just transitions into a pirate amusement park ride.

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>>375759862
it really exists though, das3 kinda proves it


time travel words fine though and fits wit the rest of the series

>>375759708
Lack of character development isn't a quality.

>>375760151
just two shitty areas that have no actual importance whatsoever

>>375760117
Studio Ghibli reference?

>>375760249
Just ____ shitty areas that have no actual importance whatsoever summarizes DaS2 pretty well.
Heides at least looked neat.

>>375760169
I didnt say it doesnt..It just exist paralel to real world

>>375760151
Also the enemies in No Man's Wharf are irritating as fuck to fight, especially the ATATATATATATATATATATATA claw men

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>>375760054
>jumping into a whirl


What is a whirl

>>375749279
>>375750932
It sunk becasue the King built the place out of iron you stupid niggers. he didn't just build it in a volcano.

the lore is stupid but simple and it is there. even a brain-dead cretin could understand.

>>375760169
Drangleic exists in a different path through space and time

it just finally collides with everything else at the end of the world in Ringed City

>>375760239
>character whose will is supposed to be broken doesn't change
>this upsets me because i want them to change!

DSII is a game about everyone but you losing the will and failing, if you didn't notice

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>>375760349
>this could've been the real map

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>>375759117
God damn that trailer was GOAT.
>mfw the actual game was released

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>>375749279
>this is the shit that DS2 haters latched on to
>not the shitty hitboxes, boring level design and uncreative bosses

way to pick you battle bros

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>>375760526
Same can be said for areas in das1 as well.

>>375758782
It's a game about losing your mind, going hollow and forgetting everything you've ever known. It shouldn't be consistent. The game is set across an enormous island, not a single castle/city like Dark Souls. It would be retarded if they had the player run for 20 minutes through empty space between areas. Variety is a good thing.

>>375760509
>character whose will is supposed to be broken
Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Dark Souls III achieved the same but also managed to make it interesting.

>>375757053
Explain picture?

>>375760728
of these don't really have people just give up. Can you name a single person in DSIII who just entirely gives up? Most everyone triumphs against their shit if you do the right things

>>375759117
Is it weird that I want to fuck shanalotte?

>>375760898
Original cinematic trailer, before the game got cut all to shit and they changed directors

>>375760898
Prerelease trailer stuff.

The game was going to be completely different and actually be quite interconnected so much so you could go to the end almost immediately if you just got gud.

That was deemed "too hard" so it was scrapped halfway through and das2 began using the old maps reconfigured into what we got. Theres tons of developer interviews and cut content that supports this.

>>375760949
>of these don't really have people just give up
What are you basing that on?

>>375760987
She's best waifu, so not really

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>>375760569
Tha~t's wrong, Mike! This thread was clearly made discussing the world space of Earthen Peak, and Iron Keep; not hitboxes, uncreative bosses, or world design. If any of these were brought up, then they would simply be shot being unrelated to the discussion at hand even though they're right.

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Shit-Ass Dead Dude... Know'st thou of Hell Fuck Castle, high in the mountains...? (laughter) It was once the domain of King Big Sad Guy, who did the Flame Thing.. Legend tells of the castle's steward, the great and terrible HorseDog, but who is to say if it still roams the halls... (solid minute of laughter) Oh, how silly of me; but of course, a new arrival in Drangranthric wouldst know not such tales... One such as thee... wouldst be better suited to sharpen the blades of the dreaded wraith of Why'd They Put Anorher FUCKIN SWAMP LEVEL Marsh..... Armor Type of Dude. That is... ifst thoust canst livest thatst longst... (five minutes of laughter; unskippable)

>>375760898
Loss

>>375760987
>Bearer of the dick... Seek holes. Tighter, more welcoming holes...

>>375761186
fuck i meant level design time to KILL myself

Would a truly open world work in Dark Souls? I feel like out of all the games that get them, it would actually be perfect for Dark Souls if actually done well

>>375760987
All of the girls in DaS2 are pretty mediocre, so at least being a cat makes her stand out, I guess.

>>375761309
Open world is shit.

>>375759117

What's the fuss? Seems like they delivered on the trailer content.

>Emerald herald, dragons, mimes, sewers

Yep, its all there.

>>375761339
Shannalotte isn't the cat, dingus

>>375761309
open world is a meme
any game that isn't instanced and have a level select is open world

>>375761117

jesus, why do DaS2 drones even exist?

>>375761309
Fuck off hubs are superior

>>375761441
You're right. I keep forgetting the Emerald Herald has an actual name.
Also I really don't get why people like her. She's just another level up girl.

>>375761117
It wasn't deemed too hard you retard.The first director fucked up big time so once they assigned a new director to the project they were out of time and they had to finish the whole thing before the deadline.So they used the already made assets to make entirely something else.I wish they would've just delayed the release though.

>>375761309
The level design is one of the best aspects of Dark Souls. I genuinely think making it open world would be a detriment.

The worst areas are those large open fields like the opening snow forest in Ashes.

>>375761339
Typical furfag

>>375761309

Dark Souls 1 is the only Souls game that came close to this, and it's my favorite for it.

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>>375749279
Who cares about the worst souls game anyway? Just play one of the good ones.

>>375761645
This thread is about DS2, not DS3.

>>375761565
they could still have that level design, just on a larger scale

It would basically just be big DaS1 if done well

>>375761582
Prove me wrong

Who wins in a fight between the DaS2 mc and the Bloodborne mc?

>>375760526
Where is this from?

>>375761942
Bloodborne mc can dodge bullets. He's /too fast/

>>375762026
Just some fanart

>tfw well never get das1 and 2 properly remade from the ground up with all the areas properly developed

DaS1 needs it so bad. 2 has enough else going I can dill with it

>>375761942
Dark Souls II character can be backstabbed instantly unlike the Bloodborne main character.

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Where's your alleged volcano/mountain wall, fag?

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>>375762141
>if only

>>375761942
Bloodborne MC would be a literal Nightmare for the others to deal with

>it's a wharf that's below water level yet connects to the ocean sort of game design

>>375762343
>it's a Souls protagonists SoL anime
>Bloodborne guy is serving drinks
>drinks induce frenzy to the unprepared mind
>YOU_DIED

>>375762342
I dont like that very much, there are tons of ways you can do what he tried better in creating interconnected areas.

>>375762310
Can you go to the highest point in the tower, and clip through the walls to see just where it is?

>>375750932

i build a new london in a shit cove underwater.

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>>375762520
>Can you go to the highest point in the tower
Why would he need to do that?
You only go like 1/4 the way up the mill

>>375759216

Bretty good maybe.

>>375761942
>DaS MC charges BB with a Zweihander
>Dodges it without even actually trying
>shoots him with a canon

>>375761194
As long as the gameplay was still up to par, I'd actually enjoy a Souls parody game with dialogue like that
>Try to walk away from laughter
>It just keeps following you until it's done
Also the swamp areas are usually my favorite, except for the Gutter and the following area, which are just trash

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>>375762520
that picture was taken back in febuary when i last played it properly. cba to reinstall and find mods to do that. sorry anon.

have another image of magical retarded elevators into dragon land

I really wish Majula was bigger and/or more populated or at least more dynamic. Nothing ever really happens there and the hub just feels lifeless and empty for a place with that many people in it already.

>>375762729
>DaS1 mc poises through it and flattens BB mc, winning the fight with only 5 hp left

>>375762760
>hit a guy twice with a twinblade
>weapon broken

WHY IS THIS HERE

>>375759117
>>375757053
just

>>375757053
>>375759117
What was more disappointing

DaSII or Colonial Marines

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>>375762760
Yeah good thing I dont play From RPGs for quality
>there are people that dont think from are awful at actually making games

Neat as fuck ideas stuck in mediocre software.

>>375762848
was my first and only time trying out twinblades. always avoided them and when i wanted to try them with mundane i found out it was nerfed to worse-than-shit-tier.
also, you pretty much have to use a grain ring and proper attacks

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The canon explanation for the Volcano above the Windmill is that the elevator passed through The Ringed City's dimensional rift, and since the world wasn't ending, you get teleported through quantum realities to a different elevator.

Think about this, as stupid as it sounds, and tell me I'm wrong.

What's next for Fromsoft now that Souls is over? Will they do a scifi game next?

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This would be much better to be honest. The valley connects straight to the Iron Keep, but huge amounts of poison are in the way.
You have to go up earthen peak and kill mytha, and then stop the windmill to clear the poison.
Then you backtrackwarp because giving people warp from the beginning is terrible design back down the windmill. Place the enemies in such a way that they can see you coming from both ways. You could also add traps and stuff, and when you are going up they don't hit you so good, but when you are coming back down they hit you much easier.

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>>375763203
>>375763203
>dimensional rift
More like DIMENSIONAL DRIFT

>>375763316
Maybe another AC game.
Maybe a new IP.

>>375763203
[you]

>>375763203
you're wrong.

>>375763316
Otogi 3

>>375761309

fuck off nooo, i dont wanna that meme shit, why these faggot wanna this shit?

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>>375761697

>>375763316
It has to be Anime Tech Souls or bust. The thing that pisses me off about Souls becoming mainstream the most is that every company on the face of the earth is trying to beat them to making Souls in (insert setting here) before From can.

If some shitass indie dev tries to steal Anime Tech before From gets to it I will literally find them and kill them

>>375761309
No.
Playing DaS2 and the Chalice dungeons in Bloodborne made me realize that level design is a huge factor in my enjoyment of the series. An open world game would seem to go against having at least some decent level design in favor of fuck huge open spaces with nothing in them.

>>375762992
Colonial Marines was a more disappointing game since it wasnt even working properly.DS2 actually was enjoyable and offered alot of content although it was indeed disappointing.

>>375762520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMFDummTtp8

Enjoy anon. It's absolute shit.

>>375763629
>If some shitass indie dev tries to steal Anime Tech before From gets to it I will literally find them and kill them
But Code Vein was already announced

One of the few games that deserve legal repercussions for false advertisement.

>>375763371
>warp because giving people warp from the beginning is terrible design
Nope, bad opinion. Forcing the player to backtrack is bad design. Good design is giving the player the option to backtrack if they want to or the ability to press on if they want.

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>>375763629
Or they could go for Geiger-tech Souls

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>>375763696
I have work to do

after finally playing bloodborne I've come to the realization that fromsofts popularity was a fluke and the b-team meme was so off the mark, fromsoft as a whole is a b-team


I'm not saying the games aren't good, but they're not the genius developers that they are purported to be by fromdrones

>>375763875
I WANT IT SO BAD

>>375763847
>Forcing the player to backtrack is bad design.

Wario Land 4 would like to have a word with you, ignorant pleb.

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>>375763973
>he only just now found out

I'm sorry anon, the games are fun times but From is awful on the whole.

>>375763847
giving people warp from the start does nothing but promote shitty world design since you don't have to worry about inter-connectivity.

>>375762342
Thanks for reminding me how much of a pathetic failure Shaded Woods is

>>375763629
Even if some faggy indie dev makes Cyberpunk Souls, From would still do a better version.

5 games of experience goes a long way.

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>>375749279
Even if it did look like that. Where the fuck did the elevator go through?

>>375764234
>5 games of experience goes a long way.

Not when they throw out everything they "learned" from the last game every time

>>375763009
>Neat as fuck ideas
Dark Souls II doesn't even have that

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>>375764282

>>375763973
>implying that Bloodborne isn't Game of the Generation

>>375764234
>5 games of experience
>5
>FUCKING FIVE
Are you dumb? Like for-real dumb?

>>375764389
the duel wielding was almost good

>>375759216
>over rated hack writer teams with over rated developers

>>375764389
(you)

>>375764450
5 Souls games.

And no, Kingsfield doesn't count.

>>375755580
Pff, nerd couldn't even get inside the painting

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>>375763629
>If some shitass indie dev tries to steal Anime Tech before From gets to it I will literally find them and kill them
already happened

>>375758559
>>375758474

Space is time and time is space

Here's what I just don't understand - why didn't they make the elevator go down? Not a single thing would change but suddenly things don't feel stupid? What in Earth prompted them to make it go up?

>>375764774
since time is money does that mean space is also money?

>>375763973
Bloodborne is much better than Trash Souls 2

>>375764836
you better be investing in land anon

>>375764764
Surge is nothing like what I'm talking about

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>>375764774

>>375764836
If we're talking real estate, yes

>>375764779
Pretty likely that there was an area between the two that got cut late in development.

>>375764906
as opposed to fake time?

>>375749279
Why is it just a blank void behind the harvest valley tower when you look at it with binoculars? This isn't even official art.

>>375753026
>>375753303
>>375758869
Could Dark Souls be considered dark fantasy instead of high fantasy?

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>>375764779
The keep is suppose to be up in a mountain range whos peak sunk when the castle ruptured the caldera.

Only the peak sunk, the range is still behind the mill high up.

>>375765009
There is no "fake" time, all observers are correct in their measurements of varying time intervals in accordance with their relative velocities, and the convenience of using an objects' proper time to define time-dependence in physics does NOT imply that proper time is any more "real" than any other. Rookie mistake.

>>375761309
OPEN
WORLD
EARLY ACCESS
SURVIVAL
CRAFTING
SOULS

SIGN ME UP

>>375759117

Huh. Never realized that dragon had a third eye.

>>375765204
I LIKE EXPLORATION OKAY

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I don't see the big lava pool anywhere.

>>375765062
>implying a high fantasy game cant be a dark fantasy game at the same time
what are you all about?

>>375765329
It's in a crater up in those mountains.

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>>375765329
The keep was build on the peak and use to be between the foreground mountains and background mountains.

It sunk and took the mountain down with it leaving only that range behind.

There are plenty of images above that explain it.

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>>375765329
here

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>>375765329
>you dont even explore the interesting parts of the mill like the top half

why.bother

>>375765650
OK but how does a 2 story elevator cross those hundreds of miles of horizontal distance?

>>375764850
>>375764414

>bloodborne defense force triggered

I never said it was bad, it's just plagued by several of the problems that dark souls 2 has, I'm surprised I don't see constant shitposting about laurence being a cleric beast *but on fire* for example
As for being game of the generation, that's not impressive in the least, this gen has been boring as fuck.

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>>375749279
The immersion dilemma.
There's an amazing view of a castle on the other side of a halway.
Do you want to run through the halway for 10 minutes or 10 seconds?

>>375765829
Put something interesting in the length of the 10 minute hallway and I won't care

>>375765789
Same way a 5 second walk gets you from majula to hiedes or fofg

see
>>375758595

The game is consistent with itself, not the rest of the series. Space is always warped as soon as you start the game.

Its just most obvious at the mill because the image in the bonfire select screen is a poor way to indicate lore.

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>>375765829
make it worth the wait

>>375765829
You don't need real distances but you do need to make them feel the proper length,

I have no idea if DS1 is actually to scale or if they're fudging it but I don't care because the entire game feels the correct size. DS2 is not like that at all.

>>375749279
Not only is time convoluted, but also space.

or something. I don' know its just a video game.

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>>375765329
Meanwhile in Dark Souls...

>>375765827
>Laurence being just the cleric beast but on fire
So you're a total retard who's just going to ignore the presence of his second stage to make your (terrible) argument seem less terrible?

>It is plagued by several of the same problems that DaS2 has
Not really, Mr. Shitposter

>>375765983
SNAKE EATEEERRRR!!!

>>375762756
Why do you hate the Gutter? Is it because it has actual good level design compared to the other swamp areas?

>>375752945
>>375752947

Deluded as fuck.

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>>375766506
Yes, you definitely are.

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>>375766051
meanwhile in dark souls 3.....

>>375766415
the gutter is a shit place where from soft put its shill advertisement for heineken

>>375765829
>Ds2

>on the otherside of this hallway is another hallway

>>375766690
huh

>>375766695
>meme words
Oh no, it's retarded.

>>375766695
you are retarded my man

>>375753260
>You know what high fantasy means right?
It only makes sense when your really high?

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>>375767034
>>375767142
fuck off heineken shills

>>375767165
>>>>r/dark souls

>>375759554
>>375760239
He does develop though, He becomes more and more happy and less depressed as more npcs move in and as you kill shit
Maybe not the best, But i did like him more than any other npc besides lucatile because of that

>>375766415
The gutter is terrible because it was shit content compared to the cut content for it.

>>375759531
I liked to imagine this, that time passed and we didn't even notice when it happened. It would justify the elevator to lavaland and suddenly rain in drangleic castle and across the ocean in 3 steps tower of flame

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>>375766940
it gets better

>>375767294
>cut content for gutter
explain

>>375759554
>leaving your favorite spot because of a smelly serpent is considered development

>>375750932
>what are earthquakes my dude

>>375753119
doesn't get more metal than that

>>375767397
>game looks fucked up if you get out of the map using cheats
wtf i hate dark soul 3 now

>>375762342

Just seeing all the names of the areas bunched together like this with vague visual resemblances gives me PTSD from how much I hated this game.

>>375767445
>having all your Npcs sit in Majula as vendors with 2 lines of dialogue is character development

>>375762342
I don't think this artist picked up on the magic of the Lost Bastille. If you've got an imagination, the fact that it was just out in the middle of the ocean with nowhere else in sight is basically horrifying.

>>375767634
look at the area around the dreg heap, it's only lothric pasted over and over

>>375767642
>autism the post

>>375766690
>>375767397
What am I supposed to take away form these images?

>>375766097
>So you're a total retard who's just going to ignore the presence of his second stage to make your (terrible) argument seem less terrible?


I did say it would be shitposting did i not?

just as it is shitposting to say that the royal rat authority is sif reskinned


also saying an argument is terrible is ((not)) an argument

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>>375767795
whatever you want

>>375767734

While it would have been a very nice touch to create entirely new architecture assets, multiple sets of them even, to give the impression that literally all kingdoms were converging there, that's a hell of a lot of work with very little payoff.

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>>375767979
Whats dis and whys it looks neet

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>>375767979
the bottom of this

DS2 looks so great in some areas and awful in others.

I've realized it only looks natural in areas with overcast skies.

>>375767979
>>375768236
Neat. It's nice to see that the world connects and makes sense.

>>375757053
Topmost pic exists in an old version of the Gutter

middle pic shows how you would have gotten to Iron Keep in a way that makes sense (crossing volcanic plains/the caldera), the current iron keep skybox mesh actually shows some volcanic plain looking stuff but it cannot be seen normally unless you noclip out of the map, also one of the map dumps of 'hidden' mesh data in the map files shows that you would have definitely crossed solid ground to get into the keep

Bottom is probably an early version of what would get recycled into Eleum Loyce, dragon is another black dragon like Kalameet, and might have been the original concept for Ancient Dragon

DS2 hurts, I hope post-From Dark Souls moving forward tries to do the oriiginal concept for DS2 again and do it right this time.

>>375767979
So is this where Iron Keep is?

>>375768727
No, it's behind the clouds

>>375752945
Kill. Your. Self.

>>375761415
Shanalotte giving the feather to the player was supposed to be a way more involved sidequest, so that scene was supposed to have more impact and the player was supposed to be a lot closer to Shanalotte than the final game bothered to show

That black dragon specifically never shows in the game, it's likely this was either intended to be the original Ancient Dragon fight, although it kind of does resemble the big dragon corpse you examine to enter the dragon's memories in the final game

The Manikins had their mask design changed, and they seemed to be more like assassins here who ambush the player for reasons unknown (maybe a secret society ala the one Mephistopheles in Demon's Souls belongs to, maybe a precursor to Londor in DS3)

Gutter had more than half of its content gutted, so no, the sewers do not show up in the game

>>375760491
google it.

>>375760054
What makes you say its Iron Keep? Curious.

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>>375749279

You know what makes even less sense and has bugged the living shit out of me since I first played through the game? You know all those npcs you meet out in the world? You know, the ones who somehow managed to get ahead of you despite an army of monsters blocking the path. SOMEHOW they managed to make it to where they are without a single of said monsters noticing them. Like that guy in the fortress in the forest of giants who gives you the key to the Majula mansion, or that old mage in Old man's wharf, or the chick who's already in Earthen peak before you even lowered the fucking bridge (the one who turns out to be the daughter of the blacksmith in Majula). Did she just CLIMB over the fucking mountains to get there? And if so, where did she climb from? Why are none of the zombie pirates at the wharf attacking the old mage? You can literally kite them to the npc and they will still ignore him. Same goes for all these characters.

It makes no fucking sense whatsoever, yet I never see it brought up in the criticisms of the game.

>>375771549
Everyone is a better climber than the Bearer of the Curse

It's how Shanalotte got to Drangleic caslte before you, she climbed over the rubble in the shaded woods

>>375749279

Alright fellas, nerd time.

How would you build a Medieval structure in a fucking lava caldera without the aid of magic?

Some sort of sandwhich of Tungsten Alloy foundation & medieval aerogel/super firebrick?

>>375771549
At least characters like Lautrec and Solaire have summon signs in the areas they're in.

Characters like the Pyro, Logan, and Black Sorceror are all prisoners though.

>>375772475
>without the aid of magic?
but why, dark souls have high fantasy magic