Is it actually an underrated masterpiece?

>>375713689
It is a fantastic game and as much as people like to harp on the writing, most characters are good in most scenes and there's a shitload of text here.

>>375713689
it's just riding on etrian odyssey

>>375713689
spam instadeath2win

8/10 its good

>>375713689
It's so god damn boring, I don't know how people enjoy it. It's a step down from other persona's characters making them 1-trait archetypes and the actual dungeons are garbage with nothing to break it up. It took all the worst aspects of persona and blended it into a shit puree

>>375713689
So do you recommend it boss? I haven't played P3

>>375713689
It's an ok game but like that other anon said, once you get Mudo the game plays itself

>>375713689

Fuck no that shit's terrible. Boring-ass map drawing gimmick combined with mutilated SMT/Persona combat (which is already easily broken), peppered with the worst portrayals of the P3/P4 cast to date and two literal whos nobody gives a shit about.

They must have realized how busted the combat was at some point, because the final boss depends on you wasting ten minutes on his first form then going "HAHA YOU DIDN'T BRING REVIVAL BEADS OR SAMARECARM TIME TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT."

>>375713689
>Da Man is literally the best and can curbstomp bosses with insane damage
>When backed up by Aigis and Chie, bosses will pretty much cower before him

It's great.

>>375714307
Yeah, it's funny how people complain about how the game "ruined Chie and Akihiko" when Akihiko was more of a decoration than a party member in his own game and the only time Chie wasn't Meatgirl was during her Social Link.

>>375715339
>because the final boss depends on you wasting ten minutes on his first form then going "HAHA YOU DIDN'T BRING REVIVAL BEADS OR SAMARECARM TIME TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT."

Kek, looks like someone didn't bring Door-kun and Naoto along to shut down bosses with binds, ailments and debuffs.

It's okay, more of a comedy game with fun dungeon crawling. Weirdly though, the Haunted House dungeon actually put me in the same weird funk the characters were feeling. It was so unpleasant.

>>375713689
Thing is, you gotta play P4 to truly enjoy it. And if you didn't play it on PS2 I highly doubt you'll play it on Vita.

>>375713689
THIS CAROUSEL

>>375715459

I'm sure if I was assed enough to put the game back in and fill my whole pack with scrub items, then toss some skill cards on, I could finish the game. But fuck that, it was a colossal bore, I really don't give a shit what happened to foodslut and edgy dog collar guy.

>>375715204
It's canon so uh..

You know, good luck

>>375713689
It's badly balanced.

half of the roster is useless.

>>375713689
Good soundtrack, flawed EO combat without the huge skill trees, dungeoning is better than p3/p4 but just a hair shy from the original EO games. Difficulty was not present at all, even on the higher settings. Most bosses at absolute maximum took about 7 rounds so as long as you properly built your team and the HP/SP shield made it so you never had to worry about resources. Some characters get butchered, some get actual development, but what can you expect from a cast size this big? I can only really see p3/p4 fans playing this game to completion.

>>375715925
I don't care for the OC Do Not Steal characters either but I guess the sheer amount of customization isn't for you. A decently built Naoto or Minato can solo the game and the two of them together can completely reduce the boss into a harmless punching bag.

It's like how P3fags can't play P1 without getting overwhelmed.

>>375713689
>"remember how Akihiko loves protein"
>"no"
>"well, here are 50 lines about it :D"

>>375718847

Nah the whole micro-customization of every character made it worse, once you're at about the third dungeon shit just gets mindlessly simple. The only reason I died to the final boss was he does some guaranteed timed death thing you can only prolong with items/skills I hadn't bothered to equip in ages.

Like if Devil Survivor punished you at the end for not having dia specifically to kill the final boss, you'd almost get to the same level of retardedness as the PQ final boss.

>>375719146
You mean like in protein shakes?

>>375713689
Its sure the persona game with best gameplay.

It also sold 1m copies, barely less than p5 with 1/100 of the budget

>>375720754
>It also sold 1m copies
Source?

Some of the character interactions are good, and I really liked the layouts of the third and fourth dungeons. That's about it. THIS CAROUSEL and the battle themes are the only songs I remember, magic attackers are completely useless, and the mechanics are drastically dumbed-down, whether you're approaching it as an Etrian fan or a Persona fan. Even the hardest difficulty is a cakewalk if you're used to Etrian games.

Also, the audio is terrible. 3DS-quality audio can already be spotty, but not only did they have to compress it more to fit all the dialogue on, but for some reason, they compressed all the battle lines even more than that. Jumping between battle and story scenes is super jarring.

Worth playing if you can get it for cheap, but I kind of regret paying the Atlus tax on it.

>>375717291
There's also the fact that most of the balance issues come from them literally copy-and-pasting Etrian IV code into the game. The reason why Naoto's so broken is because EO4's ailment equation is modifying her chances after Q's does its thing, and with the right abilities, she'll always have a 15% minimum chance to hit an enemy with something, even against enemies that are supposed to be immune.

>>375713689
Is this a good Etrian Odyssey?

>>375723912
It's weak for an EO game. I would recommend it for people who are knew to these types of games if they've played and enjoyed Persona 3 and 4.

I remember something about caroules and bananas of life

>>375723912
Its weaker than EO but is still good and the map is the best one yet

>>375713689
I've been meaning to replay it but I got to hack my 3DS first so I can get the undub

>>375713689
It's the only good persona game.

>>375724163
Ohh fuck, PQ has the best auto-map of all, I love EO but PQ jus won there.

>>375724404
I mean more in the number of options since I don't use the automap

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>>375721537
Well I have this.

>>375713689
I unironically believe that this game is one of the best Persona games.

>>375724502
The maping scheme on PQ is Godly compared to EO where it is way too rudimentary while this is more intuitive and actually dont make you waste too much time on the "second" screen.

>>375715072
The dungeons are much better in PQ than they are in 3 and 4, are you fucking retarded?

>>375724848
I liked how they had an actual incentive to complete the map with that item chest at the end of each floor

I love Persona and think EO is ok, but god damn Persona Q was boring.

it's definitely not a masterpiece

The reason why people tend to hate or find boring this game because It is a Persona game w/out the social bullshit/schedule simulator and it is EO w/out the excessive ammount of grinding.

I can get why it is hard to love, but for me this game is a perfect balance between.

>>375713689
As an EOfag, this was the first MegaTen game I have ever played.
Excellent mapping, and the horror dungeon had great atmosphere, especially the wonderfully thematic FOEs and puzzles.
Combat was poor, and I could easily crush the game into a fine dust with the qt robot girl, Aigis, the MCs, Naoto, and any good physical attacker (Junpei, Chie, Kanji, etc.). Even the superboss was no match for just the MC, the enemies had little health, poor attacking power, and were far too easy to kill, except for the Festival Guys FOE.

Overall it was a good EO game, I'd recommend it to people who like EO but I didn't understand any of the referential humor of the Persona parts of it.

Garbage EO knock off

As for the characters, they are proof of what happens when you let fanfiction canon in a game

I believe that the dungeons starting from the third are legitimately better than most of the ones in EO. It's an enjoyable game but one issue I had was the extreme imbalance between physical skills and magical ones. Magic costs a fuckload in this game and you run out of SP in about 5 casts of the highest tier magic. However, you can spam physical skills easily since it's based off of your HP, not to mention that physical skills with elements lets you hit weaknesses without having to use your SP. Multi-hit attacks also allow you to fish for crits meaning free MP skills for physical characters.

>>375715339
>Boring-ass map drawing gimmick
Why would you play an Etrian game if you didn't lie this?

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>>375724548
P1 did that well?! Holy shit.

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>>375713689
Masterpiece is pushing it.
It's enjoyable fanservice and even the enjoyable part is questionable with more than half the cast flanderized.
But the music's good, the sub persona system is neat, and the artstyle is cute.

>>375713689
It's good. I don't care about Persona but I fucking love making maps

>>375713689
Can someone explain what's going on with the characters outside of the Zen and Rei plot? I love EO but the persona cast was odd.

>>375713689
dungeons are meh. i dont like the etrian odyysey style whatsoever and i hate those games. but ill try to go through it because it is persona and the battles are fun. i beat wonderland and thats it

>>375713689
Why was Minato in this game? Did the creators forget what happened to him at the end of 3 or something?

>>375726843
i'm not that guy, but i find it a struggle to play etrian games because of the dumb map stuff
i really enjoy the first person dungeon crawling and difficulty, but it's just so repetitive to have to stop every few steps to continue filling out the map

it would be nice if there was a proper "auto map" mode for casuals like me so i don't have to deal with it

>>375731275
Do you want to know their backstory or do you want to know why all of their dialogue is so meme-y?

>>375731551
Literally pulled out of time into the future. It's stupid, don't think about.

>>375731664
they were pulled out of a random time in their games.

>>375731664
I just want to get some of the references they spout without playing their games.

>>375731551
>Minato
Who?

>>375732161
Read P4 and 3's plot synopsis the wiki.

>>375731598
The mapping is one of the main draws of EO and one of the big reasons people like it. If you don't enjoy the slow pace of the mapping there is an automap in the game for you, and if that one isn't good enough (it fills in the walls and the floors for you) then you probably shouldn't play EO games.

>>375732161
Well Akihiko is obsessed with getting stronger, because he blames himself for being unable to protect an innocent person from being killed by Shinji's berserk Persona. This somehow translates to him being obsessed with protein.

Persona Q doesn't have great writing.

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I got the game with MH4U in 2015 and played on and off. Reached the 3rd dungeon some time last year but I keep getting this error when I play nowadays. Apparently it's pretty common with this specific game which is a shame since that means I'll never progress past the 3rd dungeon. At least the 2nd dungeon's boss and its cutscenes before the battle were enjoyable. It actually made me like Naoto.

>>375732187
>doesn't know the names of characters in games he claims he likes
Fake fan

>>375732297
>>375732506
I see. Maybe it's for the best then.

>>375732592
But there's no one named Minato in P3, silly anon.

>>375732683
I also enjoyed playing as Akira in 5.

>>375732592
Technically he can be called either Makoto or Minato.

>>375732852
You sick fuck, I hope they'll change Joker's name.

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>have series of well known and loved groups of characters
>people literally obsess over them
>create a spin off fan service game where two groups of said mass-loved characters meet up
>make the game revolve around 2 god awful, 1 dimensional, awfully written new characters no one gives a single shit about

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>>375713689
>yfw Persona Q 2 with P5 cast meeting P4 cast

>>375733003
>make the game revolve around [X] god awful, 1 dimensional, awfully written new characters no one gives a single shit about
Solve for X and you have very Persona spin-off.

>>375733003
Why does this character get so many fat fanart?

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>>375733196
It's not fan art, it's in-game art used for the cut-ins.

>>375732896
Yes, either is fine imo

>>375732976
What name would you pick? As it probably will be changed if we get an 'arena' or other spinoff where he has to speak more

>>375713689
The final boss is a chore, I'm stuck and I have no motivation to reach the ending. Will I lose some super duper cool stuff If I just watch the ending from YouTube?

>>375733146
labrys was pretty good because they actually remembered about the fucked up sci-fi shit in P3

>>375732592
Just because Atlus endorsed something doesn't means it's the official name. I guess Yuu is the only people will agree on because of P4A, the 2 animes and movie

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Maze of Life is pretty catchy at least

>>375733361
It spoils the big plot twist about Zen.
And the final boss is a pussy. Inflict panic and watch him wank himself to death.

Unless you mean the spider? Easy beans too, just mash it with physical skills.

>>375733658
Yeah the spider thing

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>>375713689
The writing felt really off, but it did have better gameplay than 4. Wouldn't call it a masterpiece though, it has lots of faults too, but I still enjoyed it.

Plus after playing this and the EO demo, made me want to get into the EO series.

>>375733880
Yeah it's one of the few enemies in the game immune to panic (because of the shields). It's very weak though, bring Aigis and a few Sub-Personas with skills like Nuclear Blast or other physical element skills. Or you can use element infused weapons. The boss itself should die easily, and there's another boss after it.

>>375733880
Oh and bring revive items/Samarecarm if your party is too weak, since you'll need them after the spider.

>art not by Himukai
>Only one track by Koshiro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTxJGE8PMEY
>EO "crossover"

Yeah let's just throw in the mapping portion of EO because that's what everyone loves about it right?

>never play a persona game
>try this one
>never use mudo because the instadead spell suck in the previous game that I play
>enjoy the game to the 100 %

>>375713689
I found the game choosing to develop Ken of all people pretty funny. You know by the time they get back he's still gonna try to kill Shinji.

>>375734331
Goddamn, that song is fucking good, it really shows when Koshiro composes for a game. It actually would fit well into an EO game too.
But I do wish Himukai did the art, he even made a full Persona 3/4 artbook so I don't see why they didn't.
At the same time though, yes, the mapping is by far the most important aspect to me and a huge reason why I love EO.

>final boss has 13000 HP
>characters can easily deal over 50000 damage in 3-5 turns

>>375734337
That's literally the biggest problem of the game, and it is really enjoyable without it.

Except for that dungeon where you really need them.

>>375713689

It's the worst Etrian Odyssey but it's the best Persona.

Take that as you will.

>>375713689
I really liked it.

https://youtu.be/zOV4S1llVFo

>>375739868
The danganronpa one was better

>>375734331
Etrian Odyssey would feel really generic without the map mechanics

>>375740931
not him
I don't know how to physically express how much I enjoy mapping because I love it so much. Especially grid based maps.

>>375740931
Mechanics which Persona Q did miles better than EO so I don't really know why people hate 2so much (talking about EO fans not Persona fans)

>>375742491
EO fans dislike the pathetically easy to break combat, especially given how many of them do so in EO games that need you to optimize for battle or to properly invest in certain skills. Most are fine with the mapping, and PQ isn't really superior or worse for it compared to the rest of the 3DS titles.

>>375713689
No

>>375713689
Yes

>>375742491
What?

>>375732368
>The mapping is one of the main draws of EO

Stop that. No it isn't. The main draws are the deep party building and the combat mechanics. The map drawing is superficial and doesn't fulfill the same purpose as making your own map on paper. The main reason why map drawing even existed was because wire frame dungeons were impossible to navigate because there were no visual ques. It's easy to navigate EO dungeons by memory. I never waste my time drawing maps in EO, mostly because the tools to do so are shit and only started to become good with EOU2.

>>375745762
Yes it is anon, and many people play it for the maps. Just because you don't doesn't mean everyone plays it for one reason, I did say "main draws" not "only draw" of it.
The only really good combat mechanics it has is that status effects are actually useful

>>375745762
The combat and party building is nothing special, the only thing that sets this apart from other games is the mapping mechanic. If it didn't have mapping then it wouldn't be EO, it would just be like any other JRPG with skill trees and dungeon crawling.

>>375745762
>one of the biggest and most praised features of the game isn't a main draw
Sure anon.

>characters good in most scenes

Please point to where?

>Ken is a depressing fuck, more depressing than in P3
>Akihiko "Heh, im so strong, i need a challenge! Thats no problemo, coulda been tougher! I expected a real challenge, heh protein yeah!"
>That OC girl "HAHA IM SO CUTE, LOOK AT HOW MANY TIME I GET THE WORDS WRONG AND ADD IN FOOD RELATED TERMS IN ALL OF MY FUCKING DIALOGUE TEHEHE"
>Rise "SENPAI WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT OTHER GIRLS!? EXPLAIN TO ME WHY RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF EVERYONE!"
>Kanji "I swear im not gay, *proceeds to do something gay*"
>Teddie "Hey guys i thin- *proceeds to get roasted by the entire gang*"

I legitimately felt bad for Teddie. Every time he got screen time, someone just had to proceed to completely demoralize him and kick him square in the nuts.

Yosuke and Junpei were somehow fixed as they weren't annoying assholes.

>>375727042
Mostly because of word of mouth about the hidden quest sparked interest.

Makes me surprised there was never a secondary quest for any Persona game after.

>>375745762
Well it is for me. Games exist with far better party building than EO, but I can't find jack shit for mapping games, the only one I can remember is The Dark Spire.

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>>375746453
YOU SAYIN' I LIKE DUDES?

>>375746607
Does 'The Answer' count?

>>375713689
besides making the characters more one-dimensional yeah it's pretty good

>>375745762
>everyone has to like this game for the same reasons as me and I don't think the reason you like it is valid
No.

It COULD have been with better balancing and more interesting areas

>Alice in Wonderland world
"Alright this is honestly pretty cool, this game is gonna be awesome"

>Highschool love club
"Uhhhh, this sucks but hopefully the next world is better"

>Spooky Highschool
"Laaaaaame. I'm giving you one more chance, game"

>Highschool pride exhibit
Fucking dropped. I didn't even make it to the next world

>>375746810
>He didn't like the Spooky Highschool
That's some shit taste right there

>>375746304
I think the series handles its battle, party building, and progression systems better than any of its competition.

I don't necessarily play it for the mapping, but of course, mechanics such as mapping and FOEs contribute to the games.

>>375746810
It's a spooky Hospital too, and the hospital section was great

>>375713689

Yes. One of the best 3ds games.

>>375746920
It does it very well, but not that much better, and if it didn't have the maps, then it would be just another JRPG really.
I'd say the main draws do include mapping and battling together.
>mapping
>battles
>party
>difficulty
>style (himukai+monster designs)
>personal aspects (e.g. making up a personality for your party)
EO is a very distinct mix of all these things, and without them, it wouldn't be remotely as good.

>>375746726
Like Eternal Punishment, the answer is no. They're sequels, not hidden quests. Especially since, you know, they're not hidden and you had to buy it.

If tomorrow we found out that P5 has a hidden quest that only changes the main parts of the story on disk or via an update, sales would increase dramatically. Enough to be worth it though? Who knows.

>>375746920
Eh, the party building and progression were nice, but never were why I played them. I've played a lot of games with skill trees/points, and this one didn't really do anything new in that regard. The atmosphere in the dungeons, mapping out where FOEs start out, and puzzles around the FOEs and special tiles gave me a lot more immersion than the battles.

>>375746453
You forgot that Yukiko was always absent minded and was never paying attention to things that were just said. Fucking hated that.

>>375733196
Fat NEET girls want to project their horrible figures onto her for being a NEET genius, and since so many NEET girls are fatties irl it brings out the people who have a fetish for that as well.

>>375746453
Rise and Fuuka had the best interactions.

The whole arc where the two of them try break the ice between the SEES members was top-tier.

>>375746810
The Love Club was among the best.

You're right about the Pride Exibit though, but the dungeon that comes afterwards is the highlight of the game.

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So, did you guys see that Atlus is aparently going to do another Persona Q? Or at least there was something like that last week

>>375749206
Yeah, it might be cool.
It's the only Persona spin-off I may look forward to.

Does the game reference the fact that MC is supposed to be dead, and that Ken kills Shinji?

>>375749206
As long as the maps and FOE puzzles are as good as the third stratum, I'll enjoy it.

>>375714725
Yes because Etrian Odyssey is much more popular than Persona. Neck yourself.

>>375749638
Yes. margaret was considering telling Elizabeth but decides against it. Ken talks to kanji about it, I think in the p3 side he eventually talks to shinji about it but I can't remember.

>>375749638
No, they are pulled before that and the P4 characters had not met any of them yet, the only one who knows about it is Margaret but she doesn't tell Liz to not change history

>>375713689
Not a masterpiece, but its good in its own right, it lets me dump all my Playcoins on something useful, and the OST is just as GOAT as the mainline games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cqj_6I6fGo

I liked q