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Are you ready for Nintendo to save the fighting game genre yet again?

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Are you ready for Nintendo to save the fighting game genre yet again?
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>Each ARMS fighter has an enthusiastic supporter. Which fighter 's supporters do you understand?
What did they mean?
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nintendo has never made a fighting game though, this is no exception
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>>375709894
The FGC thinks otherwise. You don't matter.
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>>375709894
Hal Labs has made a fighting game
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>ARMS
>Fighting game

It's a 3D Arena Fighting Game, and like all Arena Fighting Games, they're not actual fighting games. They have more in common with fucking party games than anything else--Hell, Wii Boxing is about as much of a 'fighting game' than ARMS is.

I mean you no ill will, I appreciate Nintendo and all, but as a fightingfag I must ask you get fucked on this one.
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>>375710072
Define "fighting game"
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>>375710072
>It's a fighting game
>it's not a fighting game
What did he mean by this?
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>>375710072
>it's not a fighting game because I said so!
SF kiddies know their days are numbered
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>>375709772
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>>375710315
all right, what does that mean?
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>>375710315
what is this
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>>375710038
>>375710041
>The FGC thinks otherwise

Wrong, 99% of FG players don't even think smash is a fighting game and don't want it at tourneys. All of me and my FG friends agree that smash isn't a fighting game much less something like this. Only the jewish tournament organizers let smash in because of nintentoddler 14yo kiddy money.
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>>375710315
>>375710391
>Supporters, builds himself with fighters push toy! This ayashi-stick. Related items?
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>>375710425
le stream monster face
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The hits look like they don't have any weight, what the hell
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>>375709854
what the fuck are those hips?
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>>375710425
Too bad that smash makes up for at least 20% of the entire FGC so your statement is factually wrong. Now fuck off retard.
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>>375710172
>>375710213


There's two ways to define it, really. Commercially, a fighting game is a video-game where the primary focus is melee combat in a versus setting (multiplayer).

Colloquially, however, a fighting game is a very nuanced and specific genre of video-games that not only prioritize melee combat and multiplayer, but it's also highly competitive in the sense that it offers expansive move-lists, balanced game mechanics, where every single movements and attacks are deliberated by the player's control, developed specifically in such a fashion by the game's developers.

I think you're both going to play coy for the sake of propping up ARMS anyway, so I'll refrain from replying. Either way, go play anything from Tekken/Street Fighter/Virtua Fighter/King of Fighters etc etc to see what I'm getting at.

I'm not saying ARMS is shit boys, I'm just saying it isn't colloquially a 'fighting game'.
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>>375710507

Ideal
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>>375710581
>Too bad that smash makes up for at least 20% of the entire FGC
you have to be a fighting game to be part of the FGC first.
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>>375710613
Yeah? That's what smash is.
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>>375710613
kek
enjoy your dead shit fighter v
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>>375710584
>doesn't fit a colloquial definition

who the fuck cares?
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We all just gonna pretend the devs don't need to nerf throws in Arms?
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>>375710425
>(You)
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>>375709772
>implying it will be more than just joycon demonstrator game that gets boring after 5 hours

cant be competetive either seeing joycons quality
>ahhhh for fucks sake it didnt register my move correctly!
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>>375710682
I don't even play sfv, I play sf2, ggXrdR, and usf4
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>>375710584
fighting games don't have to be 2D just because that's how most of them used to be so far
times change
ARMS has all the versus setting, in-depth controls, situations where precise input can change the outcome (just look at dna man manually dodging spring man's super flurry) it needs.
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>>375710613
Reminder players coming from Smash are better at SF than SF players going into smash.

Regardless of your opinion on it being a fighting game or not, there's a much higher skill floor in Smash for tournament placement than every traditional 2D fighter
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>>375710737

Grabs are as OP as rollers were in the Splatoon Testfire. It's literally nothing and if you try and grab all the time you will lose all the time.
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>>375709894
But anon that's not true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_Mech_Fight

It's fucking great, too.
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>>375710816
But that isn't true. that kid on day 2 of the recent tournament won a match by just dodging and throwing
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>>375710315
MECHANICA FUCKING RIBBON GIRL CONFIRMED
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>>375710693
Because the OP's post:
>Are you ready for Nintendo to save the fighting game genre yet again?

He is specifically making a statement about the FGC, where the held definition of fighting games matches the colloquial definition. Again, you're acting coy as fuck here anon. The only people who claim that fighting games are in need of 'saving' are those who hold fighting games in a competitive regard, using the colloquial definition(s).

I'd strongly advise to knock off the bullshit if you're not kidding about ARMS being a fighting game. Because you will not see a strong competitive scene for it, nor will there be tournaments for it scattered around your local area. It's an arena fighter, just like any Naruto video-game.
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>>375710934

I'm waiting on the art
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>>375710785
>fighting games don't have to be 2D just because that's how most of them used to be so far
times change

I never stated that it needs to be 2D.

>ARMS has all the versus setting, in-depth controls, situations where precise input can change the outcome (just look at dna man manually dodging spring man's super flurry) it needs.

That's not good enough. By that logic, Naruto is a fighting game.

I'm saying that commercially, it's a fighter, but it's not a fighting game in the terms of the FGC.
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>>375710938
>>I'd strongly advise to knock off the bullshit if you're not kidding about ARMS being a fighting game.
What are you gonna do it, kiddo?
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The first time people actually said smash isn't a fighting game was when SFV was announced as PS4/PC only. You can bet your ass that it has something to do with sony now paying everyone so tournaments are played on PS4 even though there's better options out there.
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>>375711063
Maybe the FGC needs to grow up. Your idea of what a "fighting game" is is dying and vanishing, less and less people are interested in them as well.
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>>375711096
Because you'll end up extremely disappointed and disillusioned.
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is this some false flagging shit or does the FGC really autistically screech about the definition of a fighting game?
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>>375710584
Fighting games don't have to have large movements. There is no rule that says that they do.
You are just full of arbitrary bullshit.
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>>375710938
Lol this fucking salt
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>>375711134
>The first time people actually said smash isn't a fighting game was when SFV was announced as PS4/PC only
you can't be serious. it goes back way before.
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So you mean another game that isn't meant to be taken seriously and people won't be able to let go of even when countless sequels come out because autism? Yeah i'm ready
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>>375710769
Nice bullshit but iv had no issues regarding movements with the joy con's
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>>375710072
>>375710425

>autistic FGfags have arrived

I hope you understand why everyone hates you. No other genre has players as obnoxious as you except for maybe MOBA games.
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>>375710038
>>375710425
>>375710613
>>375711146

FGC is a complete shitshow.
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>>375711163
They've been autistic screeching about smash for years, if arms sells more than sfv they might honestly kill themselves
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>>375711063
You don't speak for the fgc
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>>375711163
What you are replying to is in fact, people who are familiar with fighting games, yet do not play them competitively, instead preferring to watch other people play them on gaming streams.
They are called stream monsters and are pretty much scum
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Post yfw ARMS will outsell all recently and soon to be released traditional "fighting games"
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>>375711321
Is the FGC even capable of forming words with so much cock down their throats all the time?
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>>375711146
>Maybe the FGC needs to grow up. Your idea of what a "fighting game" is is dying and vanishing, less and less people are interested in them as well.

It's not dying, or vanishing. What's happening is that Capcom has noticed our small size after having spent so much money on SFV only to find how small their target audience was. We've always been small, because our interests are for fighting games that completely cut-out randomness, party mechanics, moves/attacks that require tight execution.

Comparatively, we've grown as a community albeit extremely slowly. It's a niche genre, but it's certainly not dying. If you want to play a fun game like ARMS then go ahead. But don't call it a fighting game, because you'll either be confusing the person you're talking to (or even yourself).
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>>375710897
And the dude on day 1 playing master mummy showed that they are easy as fuck to bait and punish.
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>>375711321
the fgc doesn't think smash is a fighting game, but smashtards think they speak for the fgc

>>375711305
then why do you want to be part of it idiot?
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>>375711370
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>>375710934
Fucking c/u/cks.
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It looks like it plays more like a shooter than a traditional fighter desu
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>>375711396
fair enough. I really hope this is one of those problems solved by gitting gud
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>>375711393
Nah, it's absolutely dying.
Just look at SFV. It's dead Jim.
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>>375711446
Wrong anon, anon. I just came here to shit on FGC. I have no desire to be a part of that ego trip.
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>>375709854
>min min milfs
unf
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>>375711512
What exactly is your definition of dead? Because it's far from it, or are you just going to refute the point with LOL IT'S DEAD
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I'm genuinely really excited for this game. I'm not sure about it from a competitive standpoint but it looks very fun.
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>>375711621
LOL ITS DEAD
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>>375711370
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VOTE

http://www.strawpoll.me/12844118

http://www.strawpoll.me/12844109

http://www.strawpoll.me/12839367
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>>375711393
>our interests are for fighting games that completely cut-out randomness, party mechanics, moves/attacks that require tight execution.

Doesn't ARMS have literally all those things? Unless you consider being able to move in 3 dimensions a "party mechanic". Why don't you just say you prefer 2d fighters instead of trying to autistically claim something you don't like isn't a fighting game because of arbitrary reasons that don't even make sense?
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>>375711467
Can't combo in shooters.
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>>375711621
LOL IT'S DEAD

Also everyone calls it Obligation Fighter 5.
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>>375711512
The FGC's well-being doesn't pivot on SF5, or even Capcom for that matter. There was a time, you know, where Street Fighter took a backseat and where Tekken dominated the entire community. It wasn't until SF4 that Street Fighter (and 2D fighters) became the favored platform in the FGC.

Like I said, go play an actual fighting game, like say, Garou, Guilty Gear, any SF or Tekken. Then go play Pokken or any Naruto fighter. Feel the difference, and then you'll pretty much know what to expect for ARMS.

I'm not saying ARMS is/is going to be shit, I'll probably buy a copy as well, but I'm sure as shit not going to be expecting tournament-level play at my locals.
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>>375711704
I feel like this is a bit skewed seeing as how a bunch of the folks on /v/ only became interested in the game after the helix reveal
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>>375711704

Are you ready to accept your new queen into your hearts?
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>>375711704
MINMIN IS CUTE! CUTE!
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>>375711856
maybe you're right
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>>375711446
The why is is at Evo?
Why has arms been invited to Evo.

Narrow arbitrary def8nitionnwill no longer do
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arms actually looks fun to play so i really hope the fanbase doesn't turn out like smashfags
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>>375711830
Pokken is deeper than naruto and most fighting games though.
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>>375711712
>Doesn't ARMS have literally all those things? Unless you consider being able to move in 3 dimensions a "party mechanic". Why don't you just say you prefer 2d fighters instead of trying to autistically claim something you don't like isn't a fighting game because of arbitrary reasons that don't even make sense?

Where the fuck are you getting the impression that I don't consider 3D fighters as fighting games? I've recited Tekken/Virtua Fighter multiple times, anon. If you're not aware, those are both 3D fighting games that fit the FGC bill as proper fighting titles.
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>>375711781
Hi Kevin.
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Thank you Nintendo. Fighting games were in a dire spot for a while now, please rescue this genre with ARMS like you rescued shooters with Splatoon.

Based Godtendo to the rescue.
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>>375712056
Me too. Even I think smash fags are a special brand of autism. Not even just melee players either.
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>>375710598
>you will never go to an ARMS tournament and take home your very own Minmin girl
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>>375711925
>ARMS fighters are just normal people who happen to have been born with stretchy arms
>Literally a purple mummy and goo man on the roster

So does Master Mummy just think every day is Halloween? I assume DNAman is a mad science experiment.
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if you game meets any of the following criteria

>has analog inputs instead of 8 direction digital
>has a jump button
>doesn't have a life bar
>has platforms
>lacks special moves using a combination of button or stick inputs
>takes place in a 3d plane of movement

it is NOT a fighting game. Thank you nintencuks ^_^
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>>375712215
street fighter confirmed not a fighting game
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>>375712076
You haven't answered why you think ARMS doesn't fit your arbitrary definition of the "FGC bill".
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>>375712076
What about fighting games that the camera is not as the side of the character. Like virtua on?
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>>375712076
Is there are website with the fgc definition of fighting games and manifesto?
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>>375710934
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its literally pokken
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>>375712175
Master Mummy is a literal mummy, presumably resurrected from the grave
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>>375712056
>>375712152
>Ha ha! I bought a multiplayer game that's determined by winning/losing/drawing, but I HATE it when other people actually try to win!

>Fucking autists! Who in their right mind sinks hours into learning a $60 video-game they bought just so they can win every match they play?

>Why can't they just half-assedly spam buttons and hope for the best, like I do?

>Why am I so alone?

That's what you fucks sound like.
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>>375712307
Yeah man literally xd
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>>375712002
we must eradicate helix
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>>375712152
too bad smashfags are going to take over the scene just for the free extra cash
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>>375711976
I'LL GIVE MINMIN MY RAMRAM!
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>>375712215
tekken confirmed not a fighting game
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>>375709772
>Nintendo to save the fighting game genre

https://youtu.be/eaIyvfRYef8
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>Mummytron
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>>375712258
but SF fails to meet any of those criteria aspie
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>>375711932
No. Mechanica will always be best girl.
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>>375712175
Master Mummy specifically has weird amnesia so we don't really know what his deal is and Helix is a lab experiment. We otherwise know most people with this shit are just mutants. Minmin's bio involves promoting her family's restaurant. On the Helix note, his backstory seems to involve a lab trying to figure out how these weird powers work, so we're likely to get more lore at some point about it.
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>>375712414
epic
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>>375712175
Master mummy woke up in a strange hospital called mummy hospital.
He does not have much memories of his past but want to find his family. So he's doing arms tourny around the world so he can look for them.
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>>375712319
>Discover necromancy
>Use it for sport

The absolute mad men
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>>375712076
Soul Calibur
>1v1 battles
>fighting takes place in an arena
>variable stages (walls, pits, at least 1 stage with a column)
>3d movement and sidestepping is possible
>focus on weapons presents variable ranges and playstyles
>has grabs and parries
>is not made by nintendo
>definitely a fighting game, bring it back already wizard

ARMS
>1v1 battles
>fighting takes place in an arena
>variable stages (edges, columns, destructible environment)
>3d movement, jumps are possible
>focus on different arms presents variable weapon ranges and playstyles
>has grabs and parries
>made by nintendo
>NOT A FIGHTING GAME REEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>375711063
>By that logic, Naruto is a fighting game.
But it is? Just not a particularly good or deep one.
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>>375712495
Are you THAT mad, nintendildo?
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>>375712497
>those thighs
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>>375712319
Damn this game has so much art.
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>>375712462
>Fucking Master Mummy of all people is probably going to have a backstory with the most feels

Wew
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>>375712307
Pokken didn't deserve to die that young.
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>>375712420
not him but sfv has analog inputs you retard
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Is there any confirmation about the characters having theme songs yet?
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>>375712567
>get told
>y-you mad??

epic
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>>375712679
>sfv has analog inputs you retard
>sfv
>has
>analog
>inputs
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>>375712618

It's not at Splatoon levels, but it's still a very good sign
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>>375712567
Not an argument
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>>375712657
Eh, it wasn't an original property so I can't feel too bad about it. Pokemon will continue to live on. ARMS dying early would be the real tragedy.
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>>375712730
damn, you're seething
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How does Nintendo do it?

Smash
Splatoon
Pikmin
ARMS

How do they always produce such quality?
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that's like saying punchout is a fighting game
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>>375712682
Its probably fair to assume each characters stage is there theme.
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>>375712894
I like this
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>>375712845
ah yes my favourite multiplayer game, pikmin
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How many more characters are left to reveal? 4? That's a pretty small roster for a fighting game, but since this game features weapon loadouts it might not feel too monotonous.
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>>375712934
>doesnt play highly competitive challenge mode
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>>375712880
This game is nothing like punch out.
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>>375712934
>not playing pikmin 2's GOAT battle mode
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>>375712753
.......lol?
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/208231/fightpad-controller-users-dpad-or-analog-stick-for-sfv
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/214032/good-characters-for-analog-stick
https://steamcommunity.com/app/310950/discussions/0/405692758702570591/

youll have to explain to me what you mean by having no analog inputs in sfv
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>>375712983
well shit I like this even more
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>>375712986
Is 10 a small roster for the first game of a series?
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>>375712986
12 is generally the norm for new fightans.
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>>375712986
for a new fighting game, a 10 char roster is fine. Devs have hinted at there being even more chars though
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>>375712986
I'm sure Nintendo will have a decent amount of post-release DLC characters with at least 1 guest.
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>>375712986
I'm pretty sure most games in this genre launched with no more than 10-12 fighters, gradually adding more.

I have no doubt that ARMS, too, will get more characters added over time.
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>>375709772
That's a casual party game made for 5 years old. Not a party game. Nintendo manchildren are autistic as fuck lol.
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>>375713164
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>>375713240
sup nigger
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>>375713252
>>375713164
I'm not surprised. just disappointed
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>>375713240
So it's a fighting game then?
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>ARMS
>Gundam Versus
>Dissidia it's shit but it has it's fans
>Virtual On returning with anime tie in but it counts

Holy shit from 0 to 100 in a year. Can't wait for the real saviors of the fighting game genre all come out.
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>>375712845
Those are all shit.
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>>375713240
>That's a casual party game made for 5 years old.
>Not a party game.
What did he mean by this?
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>>375713240
>a casual party game made for 5 year olds
>not a casual party game

I see...
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>>375713240
>That's a casual party game made for 5 years old. Not a party game.
what did he mean by this?
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>>375710038
Your Melee cult has brainwashed you.
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>>375713240
anyone who uses the term manchildren gets their opinion immediately thrown out
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Why do Nintendo manchildren try to push every kids game Nintendo make as serious games? Are they really that deluded and insecure? It's so sad.
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>>375713304
00 is shit. There I said it.
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>>375713394
>>375713240
Why are you samefagging and trying to raid this thread? go away
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>>375713280
>>375713301
>>375713331
>>375713337
>>375713346
So fucking salty. Everyone else would consider this as a fucking kids game. Only Nintendo manchildren consider it anything more lol.
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>>375713164
>>375713252
I'm not surprised, just aroused
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>>375713394
Why do Sonybroniez try to shitpost every Nintendo game to death? Is it out of loyalty for their own favorite brand, are they just afraid of Nintendo producing another major surprise hit like Splatoon? It's so sad.
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>>375713472
Damage control, quick!
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>>375713394
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>>375712753
bruh im still waiting explain to me right now >>375713041
else sfv ain't a fighting game
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>>375713472
>fuck up
>get made fun for it
>i-i was ju-just pretending! m-m-m-m-manchildren!!!! lolololol i trol u
Sad!
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>>375713472
fucking lmao conveniently ignores this >>375713459

you're failing at this one man raid, anon
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>>375713472
Why is it a kids game?
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>>375713472
Blame the OP. He deliberately stirred this shit by claiming that ARMS can save the FGC in full knowledge that it's not a fighting game. As for the anons trying to say ARMS is a fighting game, they're just ignorant and uninformed of what fighting games actually are.

Just like the Smash community, you'll often see anons who complain about 'tryhards' and call tournament go-ers 'autists'. They'll also dump absurd quanities of r34/hentai, instead of actually talking about the game. It's these traits that let you know that the person is shit at fighting games.
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>>375713703
Where did OP mention the FGC?
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>>375713703
It is a fighting game, though.
Sorry kiddo.
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After seeing some of the gameplay, what kind of character or arm gimmicks do you want to see in the last few characters?

>Charge character based on being able to charge arms twice for double damage, offset by more recovery frames after punching

>Counter/Parry character based on baiting hits. Possibly extra weak to grabs

>4 or 6 armed character that acts like a zoner with punches flying all over the place. Punches fly and launch slower to balance the amount. Absolutely fucked if opponent manages to get in.
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>>375709772
You guys need to stop pretending that a wagglan game is competitive
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>>375713703
Look, we get that you think that the only things that should count as party games are games that play as close to SF2 as possible, but there are a lot of games that would be a lot easier to name if you weren't so damn defensive over that term. Have you considered SF-like fighting game? Then you can keep your incredibly singular definition AND people can call games in which you fight against other players fighting games.
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Who's your favorite character so far?
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>>375713841
DNA Man was all I wanted desu
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>>375713698
Because like Disney films, Nintendo games are targeted at kids.
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>>375713904
Why would it not be?
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>>375713915
>Look, we get that you think that the only things that should count as party games
fighting* Fuck.
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>>375713703
How the fuck is it not a fighting game?

Because it's not a Street Fighter clone?
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>>375713698
because it's made by a kids company lol
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>>375713841
A character that is always in a handstand move and uses his feet
Hopefully a cute girl with cute feet
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>>375713963
waggle controls aren't precise enough to make a competitive game
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>>375713841
a female human lanky kong
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>>375713904
So don't use the motion controls?
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>>375710425
It's true that a lot of the FGC thinks this way, but it's mostly the shittier portion of it (think stream monsters)
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>>375713939
>>375714000
Those are stupid reasons.
Street fighter is suitable for children as well. It's bloodless.
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>>375714056
They are now. It's 2017.
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>>375714008
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>>375714008
You get Minmin kicking and nothing else.
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>>375713841
this is gonna sound weird but stay with me on this. a character with dicks for arms. I know that sounds weird but his super could be calling in a swarm of crows. His name could be something silly, something fun like /v/ or whatever. and maybe he could have a catchphrase like "I TOLD YOU SO" or something like that. the kids will love it
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>>375712414
What does the 廻 mean?
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>>375713904
Anything and everything can be competitive, it just takes some people to play it in the right mindset.

I mean, just look at this thread, if it ain't competitive shitposting, what is it?
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>>375714150
it's a jojo reference.
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>>375714056
Sure they are. You just dont know shit about them.
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>>375714120
shtu up manchli d lol
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>>375714150
means noodle
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>one of the yet to be revealed characters is a shitty latina lucha libre

I hate those. Oh well, hope the nomad mystery man and the punch-o-tron mk3000 are cool
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>>375714085
SHE
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>>375714150

Minmin for winwin!
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>>375714261
kek since when? she looks more egyptian
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>>375713921
Mastermumy and Ribbon.
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>>375714298
She's 100% a lucha, you would have to be blind not to see it
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>>375714214
>get owned, must eject
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>>375713598
>>375713041
you are retarded.

you can use the analog stick but it's parsed into 8 direction digital input

fighting games don't have analog controls.
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>>375714261
there will probably be more characters after launch anyway
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>>375714126
okay buddy
>>375714197
All I need to know is that they'll always be slower and less precise than normal ones.
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>>375714136
Underrated
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>>375714351
m8, you are crazy. She'd be 100% african before mexican
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>>375709772
>le falseflag post
fuck off reddit
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>>375714420
How do you know?
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>>375713703
>They'll also dump absurd quanities of r34/hentai, instead of actually talking about the game.
Okay what the fuck? I'm not even trying to get involved with this shitty debate, but there are NIGHTLY Chun Li and Juri threads here. If you're measuring the worth of a community by the number of their deviants, maybe look at the franchise who's fans were screaming for R. Mika?
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>>375714606
Because not everyone grew up with the Wii like you did
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>>375714420
Only problem is that it's not true.
Ask the cod player in wii and wii u who stuck with two stick
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>>375714669
gyro aiming is not the same as swinging your fists
gyro can be faster than rotating a stick, swinging your arm is never faster than pressing a button
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>>375714662
I grew up with virtua on child.
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>>375714792
funny I don't remember that having waggle controls
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>>375714747
Yes it is. You only have to move the thing like an inch. Amd gross movement like whole hand movements are easier to perform than fine ones
You speak from complete ignorance
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>>375714747
You know what can be more precise than your joystick? Only slightly angling your hands to curve things.
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>>375714747
Ur not supposed to swing ur arm though. The dev was even puzzled as to why people were doing so.
Litteraly small wrist flicks will do the trick.
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>>375714150
http://jisho.org/search/廻%20%23kanji
DEEPEST
LORE
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>>375714860
The control skeme is practally the same.
From what Iv played.
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>>375714990
No ones going to believe your lies dude
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>>375715109
How is he wrong though?
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>>375714747
How does it feel to post the same arguments every fucking ARMS thread.
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>>375715159
How is dual sticks scheme anything like waggle controls?
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>>375715193
Does he always get the same responses?
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post yfw shitposters get the arms thread up to page 1
you're only helping the cause, boys
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>>375715159
He's just going to bitch that the controls aren't mounted to a 200 pound box with a screen.
Iv had this argument with the faggot before.
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>>375714120
But it's not targeted AT children. Guardians of the Galaxy and SW are "mature" but they're still aimed at kids. That's why they have throwaway storylines with no complexity to them.

SF and GG are too complex for kids to get into, even if they can be a bit silly, it's not made for kids. Arms on the other hand is simple enough to reach that audience, it's made FOR that audience first and foremost, like GotG.
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>>375715281
Yeah.
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>>375715254
Maybe because they ain't waggle controls you memeing faggot.
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>>375715516
How are they not?
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>>375712327
im not talking about the tourneyfags im talking about the non stop waifu shit and roster autism
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>>375714261
>one of the yet to be revealed characters is a shitty latina lucha libre
>I hate those.

and I hate faggots with shitty taste like you
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>>375715617
Waggle you lose.
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ARMS is going to be a surprise hit like Splatoon was on the WiiU.

You're gonna have to accept this fact and deal with it. Nintendo is now giving younger teams a chance at making new big IPs _AND_ promote it to give it enough exposure and it pays off.
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>>375715304
>Bathrobe suit
Is he the most /fa/ guy in the industry?
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>>375715693
>Splatoon
>a hit
It was only popular with Nintendildos, quit pretending otherwise.
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>>375715693
Shame is /v/ will never accept Arms even if it ends up being fun and sells 3+ mil just because it's made by nintendo
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>>375715785
oh no
it's retarded
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>>375715693
i bet you a lot of the younger guys at nintendo were jumping for joy when they saw splatoon blow up like that
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>>375715792
Because it's.... here, get this... uhm...


MADE FOR CHILDREN
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>>375715763
kosuke gives zero fucks. He shows up to work with his dick hanging out and still gets promoted

>fucking hell, kosuke! you have balls. You get to head the arms team
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>>375715849
I never saw anyone but Nintendildos talk up Splatoon, prove me wrong.
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>>375715693
>surprise
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>>375715431
It targeted at everyone. Everyone is a demographic you know. Nintendo does not want to exclude anyone
Its called having a low floor but a high ceiling.
Easy to pick up hard to master.

If you had any ability to think you would be able to see how complex this game can get with position and timing especially since your punches have travel time.

But no you are a biased fucking fool
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>>375715861
and if it is?
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>>375715431
Nintendo doesn't aim at kids, they aim at everyone. And in the cases were they make their games simple to have fun in but hard to excel in, ala Smash and Splatoon, The only people who are complaining about it are team "I only play mature games for mature gamers, such as myself"
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>>375715924
That's because you call everyone who likes Splatoon a Nintendildo, you moron
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>>375715924
Is 4.5 million sales enough?
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>>375715954
It isn't he is just a twat.
Its made to appeal to all audiences
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>>375716017
Was the WiiU a success?
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>>375716090
yeah, my main point is just that who cares if it is made for kids as long as I can enjoy it as an adult. I still watch cartoons occasionally and you're goddamn right I'll pack some gogurt with my lunch. I don't give a fuck if those are made for kids
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>>375709772
>fighting game
The delusion is real
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>>375716257
That was not the question.
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>>375716000
>>375716090
All audiences is kids you moron. In order to appeal to all audiences, you have to keep it simple enough for kids.

Power Rangers is "all audiences", but PR is clearly aimed at kids.
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>>375715924
>I never saw anyone but [X console fans] talk up [X console exclusive], prove me wrong.
WHOA, NO SHIT
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>>375711704
how low poor ribbon girl has fallen
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>>375716290
t. Manchild

>>375716351
It is, have some contextual awareness. I know you have the mind of a child, but do try to think like an adult when debating.
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>>375716389
>simple is bad
>implying arms is simple
wew
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>>375716257
A game can be a success even if it the console it is on wasn't
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>>375716389
All audiences is not ONLY kids you stupid cumstain.
Arms pr is not aimed at kids. All its doing is showing what the game is.
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>>375716389
And what's the actual downside to this? Do you hate primary colours? Do you feel that some younger people enjoying a game automatically makes it less enjoyable? Are you a big boy who onwy pways big boy games?
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>>375716521
Uncharted 4 sold more than every Wii U game
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>>375716412
>missing the point this hard

It's like you're at the cusp of self awareness, but something just holds you back.
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>>375716495
use buzzwords all you like. at least I'm not somebody that will change how I enjoy my life simply because some sniveling miserable little faggot online thinks he knows what big boys do. go to bed, kid
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>>375709772
>ARMS
>fighting game
It's got more in common with arena fighters like FF:Dissidia than it does fighting games. I wish this crap would hurry up and come out already so we can put autistic shit like this to rest.
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>>375716585
Yes, and?
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>>375716670
Just wanted to blow a hole in your cherrypicking console war image
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>>375716575
Something for kids can't be complex as it alienates them.
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>>375716495
There is not context you just shifted the subject because you lost the point .

The game sold 5 mill that's a good ammount no matter what system it's on
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>>375716586
So what is the point, genius?
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>>375716608
>I refuse to grow up and cling to my infancy cause I'm pathetic.

Someday, maybe, you'll accept yourself, and grow up.
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>>375716729
Given the install base of the PS4 that's not even impressive
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>>375716850
Yeah yeah keep bringing up "muh attach rate" cause thats the only numbers you can show that are impressive
If people only have scraps to play they buy up all the scraps. Wow, who would've thought??
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>>375716649
I went and looked up what that was... you are a fucking moron
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>>375716831
Refer to >>375713562
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>>375716960
So you are okay with PS4 owners buying shit like Fifa and COD instead of good games like Bloodborne, Gravity Rush 2 and Yakuza 0?

Says a lot about PS4 owners I guess
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>>375716737
Right, so Melee isn't one of the more technically complex games about?

I get that low-ceiling games are bad, but Nintendo has a good record for making low-floor high-ceiling games, and those are completely fine. And ARMs is shaping up to be one.
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>>375716796
Yeah, 5 million.... to NINTENDO fans. Nintendildos will buy anything Nintendo, this isn't a runaway success, this is expected. A runaway success would have been Splatoon turning the WiiU into a success, it didn't.
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>>375717014
>>375717014
I don't care what other people buy
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>>375717014
delet
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>>375717014
Not him but what the fuck is your problem?
>So you are okay with PS4 owners buying shit like Fifa and COD
It's not your money, why do you care how other people spend it?
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>>375717035
>Wii U becomes a success
>sells 90M
>HURR THOSE ARE 90 MILLION OF NINTENDILDOS, THIS MEANS NOTHING
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>>375717035
This
There are 13 million Wii U owners. That means there's 13 million people ready to gobble up whatever trash Nintendo shits out.
Its not impressive to sell your games to these people because they'd buy any garbage with a Nintendo label on it
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>>375715693
Splatoon had free online and the 4v4 format inherently lends itself to a much more varied experience. ARMS needs extra money for online and 1v1 means it's going to get repetitive quite quickly if Nintendo starves it for content at release like they did with Splatoon.
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>>375717139
So we are in agreement then. The PS4 is a dudebro machine for people who play Fifa, Call of Duty and who want to watch netflix.

Nintendo platforms are what people who actually care about good games buy.

Glad we cleared that up.
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>>375709772
well, I pre ordered, so...
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>>375717035
Wtf diffrence does that make 5 million is 5 million.
You did not ask for a runaway sucess just popularity. Having a game save a system is a stupid expectation.

You have some stupid double standards l.
Its fucking pathetic
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>>375717214
>Nintendo platforms are what people who actually care about good games buy.
fucking lol
yeah great games am I right
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>>375716979
Explain how ARMS is more similar to a fighting game like Street Fighter than it is to an arena fighter like FF:Dissidia.
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>>375717214
The only thing we can agree on is that you have a god complex and you seriously believe you can dictate people how they spend the money they earn.
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>>375716980
Oh, so you're an ACTUAL child?


MOOOOOOODS
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>>375717196
You realize ARMS has modes not only for 1v1, but also 2v2 and up to 8 players actually?
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>>375717261
And how well did that sell?
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>all these shitposter keeping the thread bumped.
Happy.
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>>375717196

There is 2v2 and maybe more if this eShop listing is to be believed
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>>375717195
Still popular and that was the point.
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>>375717016
Melee isn't made for kids, game was T for Teen you tard.
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>>375717282
I don't know, looks like the one who can't read is you so
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>>375717285
>>375717328
Nope I didn't know that. I've only seen 1v1 and it looked like the style of gameplay was made for 1v1 only.
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>>375717193
Not at all, MKWii, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Galaxy, etc... were all "a runaway success." Splatoon was not.
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>>375717309
Pretty well actually
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>>375717195
>there are 55 million sonyroaches ready to gobble up whatever trash it is sony shits out
>wait, actually, their games like gravity rush 2 and the last guardian sold like shit
>the games must be SO bad that even the sonybros don't buy them
>either that or the games are good but sony fans are so retarded they willingly only buy bad games instead of the few good ones the ps4 has

Which one is it, lad?
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I actually got to play a demo of ARMS a while a go, and despite not being someone who plays a lot of fighting games, I thought it was really good and that it had quite some depth to it.
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>>375717329
Popular with Nintendildos, normies don't give two fucks about it.
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>>375717446
?
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>>375717415
So you assumed, never looked into it and expect people to take you seriously.
/v/
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>>375717265
Its not like street fighter. Thats it's point. Fighting games don't have to be like street fighter or tekken.

Ff is more like the dragon Ball games than arms.

Arms is more focused smaller stages less insane movement and special abilities. IT focuses more on position and timing.
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>>375717457
Everyone who played ARMS at a hands-on event so far liked it. The game looks great.
/v/ just has a few very persistent shitposters who go out of their way to shit on the game every chance they get, often even making whole new threads just to do so.

You'll notice it's the same few people because they always repeat themselves writing the exact same anti-arms posts.
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>>375710584
>only this incredibly specific set of parameters defines a fighting game
thats stupid. thats like defining a shooter as "a game where you have a shotgun, pistol, range weapon, and bfg" its overly anal and dumb.
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>>375717510
>using normalfags as a meter of good taste
OH I AM LAFFIN
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>>375717510
That does not matter 5 million is 5 million
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>>375717536
>vgchartz
Even then it still sold close to a million
Wii U owners have absolutely garbage tastes
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>>375709772
>Nintendo made this as a party game for 5 year olds.
>Autistic manchildren try to make it something more than it is and bring it to competitive sports,
>They get laughed at like they always do when they try to make smash a serious game

Nintendo must really be ashamed of their fans always for being so autistic. It's on MLP level of autism.
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>>375717538
Shut up, I just shit post and troll you folk anyway lol
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>>375717657
But I thought >>375717195
??
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>>375711297
I'm a dota player and I'll politely ask that you not lump me in with this moron. Smash is a fighting game and so is arms
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>>375717539
So many words and you didn't answer what I asked. You explained how ARMS ISN'T like Street Fighter which is exactly my point here.
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>>375709772
>A demo for motion controlls
>For little kids
>A fighting game

LOL. Nintendo has no real fighting games so Nintendo cucks try hard to make anything they release as a fighting game. It's pathetic. Just like people still think Smash is a joke and that's why it never gets any main stage at Evo.
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>>375717669
It's honestly pretty funny seeing these man children treat their paint the floor shooter and rock em sock em punch game as if it were competeitive. Leave it to NintentoddIers to go Sonic levels of autism for their games.
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>>375717826
yes yes we get it
now stop samefagging and go back to your gam- oh, wait, sorry.
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>>375717684
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>>375717717
The fact that it sold as much as it did is sad
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>>375717826
>>375717669
You're really going all out, aren't you
Your life must be boring
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>>375717654
>Why doesn't /v/ like this game that was only popular with Nintendo fans, it was a runaway success
>it was only a success with Nintendo fans
>nuh-uh, muh 5 million
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>>375717817
And I agree.
But it does not preclude it from being a fighting game.
In fact that's it's whole point.
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>>375717914
Lmao stay buttblasted anon. Only some super faggot like you would screenshot another thtread to prove some point. In the end I win
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>>375717923
Why didn't the other 12M people who apparently buy anything from Nintendo buy it?
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>>375718017
>another thread
??
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>>375717981
You not liking it does not matter. 5 million sold is a sucess no matter how you slice it no matter who it sold to.

You are being a child
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>>375717981
>>it was only a success with Nintendo fans
Prove it
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how old is mechanica?
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>>375718017
thats not another post. are you saying you are shit posting this everywhere? Yep anon you sure showed him by shit posting everywhere...
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>>375709772
A demo with motion controls is not going to save anything. Nintendo is going to stay as irrelevant as they were.
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>>375718373
15. confirmed
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>>375718157
Jesus fuck, do all Nintendildos have the reasoning of a child?

You're wondering why /v/ won't accept Splatoon as a success.

And I keep explaining to you that it's because it was only a success with Nintendo fans who obsessively buy and overhype anything the company shits out.

What is incorrect with this statement? You expecting a community of people who play a diverse range of platforms to accept that a game that was exclusive to a niche fanbase recognized as a runaway success. Are you retarded?

5 million is NOTHING in an industry of over 300 million users.

GTAV was a runaway success, MK Wii was a runaway success, the Wii and PS2 were a runaway success.

Splatoon, was ONLY successful with Nintendildos, no one outside of Nintendo loyalists give any fucks about the game. Has it sunk in yet?

Stop asking stupid questions and playing the victim, you sound like a goddamn feminist.
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>>375718373
15
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>>375718652
>>375718637
D R O P P E D
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>>375718373
15.
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>>375718647
tldr
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>>375718647
Now that is reddit spacing if I ever saw one
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>>375717549
Nope only Nintendo cucks are excited about children's game. Everyone else just ignore them because they're the retard in the room.
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>>375718532
again? how bored are you?
>>
>>375718647
>5 million is nothing

So you're saying that the only ps4 exclusive that wasn't "nothing" is Uncharted 4? That's assuming 7-8m is "something" to you.

Damn, that's sad. 99% of all games ever are nothing because they don't sell over 20m or something
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>>375718812
This.

Nintendodicks are the special needs kids of the gaming industry.
>>
can't wait for this to come out, feels like no matter how much gameplay and mechanics they show /v/ refuses to consider it a "game" until it sells 2 million
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>>375718876
Correct, no one but hardcore Sonybroies care about Uncharted.
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>>375718962
No anon, according to this one guy in the thread, even at 5 mil sold that's completely irrelevant and as good as selling nothing
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>>375710782
You're alright in my book
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>>375718962
I've never seen a game get so much shitposting. Is Arms the greatest fighting game ever? It must be to draw the ire of so many shitposters
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>>375719037
I wonder if it's just paid sony shills who try to make sure we will never have another "splatoon"
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>>375719037
No one even cares about the game. Nintendo cucks are autistic so they spam it everywhere. It's like you need attention and to be validated or something. Sorry just because other people don't like simple kids game like you do, there's no need to be so hostile.
>>
>>375719191
>post # 38 by this IP in the thread
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>>375719037
It's gotten a bit worse recently, for some reason. I think it was the niconico tournament? That's when the threads were consistently hitting the bump limit due to the hype generated from seeing the players git gud at the game. Before that, even with waifu fanart posting, typically the thread would die eventually. I can't imagine why now, though. I guess it finally just got enough attention to draw in the shitposters.
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>>375719165
I just don't get why they stay in the thread if they hate the game
>>375719191
meh only read about half of that before I stopped. bait pls go
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>>375719037
/v/ is shitposting, not because they think it is a bad game, but because they are afraid that it might be good
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>>375719019
Most games on all platforms don't sell that much though.
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>>375719248
honestly, it's been a steady stream of shitposting since the helix reveal. I can't imagine how bad it'll be when they reveal the other 3 fighters
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>>375717214
Fag
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>>375719373
>game comes out
>gets good reviews
>will actually be played by people instead of street fighter or marvel vs capcom or whatever
It will be even worse than it is right now
>>
Seriously, i have never see this much shitposting for a game before.
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>>375718373
Spring Man - 20
Ribbon Girl - 17
Ninjara - 21
Master Mummy - ??
Minmin - 18
Mechanica - 15
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>>375719546
I think it's a combination of the usual anti-nintendo posting mixed with the insane autism of the fighting game community who detest Smash and want to prevent another such game to happen

Mix those two and the cocktail you get is lethal
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>>375719568
>all the girls are teenagers
what did nintendo mean by this?
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>>375719373
Whatever, free bumps
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>>375719546
It's either the FGC are assblasted from one game or it's the usual culprits, the Sonybaloneys.
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>>375711393
>Crapcomfags this deluded
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>>375709772
>Nintendo cucks shitpost other games constantly and try to validate their kids game
>Tell them the truth that the game is just a simple game made for kids

They get mad and get into an autistic rage. Like clockwork. I'm out of this thread. They can't face the truth.
>>
>>375719543
>>375719691
kek this. all the shitposting bumped the thread to front page so more people get interested in arms
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>>375710584
Care to explain how ARMS does not fit your definition?
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>>375719568
I have no idea why the Japanese always make their characters so damn young
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>>375710769
>aw shit, my buttons aren't working
and that is why you will never place at evo
>>
>>375719841
To make them sexier
>>
>>375719781
The definition of "Fighting Game" used by the type of people who actually care about enforcing it this degree, is very simple.

Street Fighter 2, and derivatives.
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>>375719841
that young tight puss, anon
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Who still /TeamRibbon/?
>>
>it's a game
>you fight versus another player
>it's not a fighting game
makes sense to me
>>
>>375719896
>>375719917
Minmin is the only girl legally allowed to fight in a tourney
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>>375719934
Mechanica is just my soulmate, anon. I can't betray her
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>>375709772
Again? SF4 was the only game to do that.
>>
>>375720081
I want to have dindin with minmin before giving her my peenpeen
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>>375711370
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>>375711370
I dont think ARMS can outsell DC nor Marvel
>>
>can dodge
>can block
>can punch with either arm or both with all kinds of choices
>can curve your throws
>can combo
>can jump
>can guard break
>can knock out weaker throws with heavier ones
>can grab
>can charge up super
>can dash in any direction
>depending on the character can do a bunch of other things
>can do precise inputs such as dna man dodging a whole springman super
>can do all of this at once in a three dimensional space which only adds to the complexity since you don't only move back and forth in a straight line

>but it's not 2D so it's not a fighting game
>>
>>375720607
How much do those games normally sale
>>
>>375720729
>but it doesn't have "fighter" or "combat" in the name so it isn't a fighting game

don't listen to them. it's a fighting game
>>
>>375721104
Whatever nintendildo
>>
>>375717669
Funny, the devs all call it a fighting game with competitive play as a focus for development. Care to show me when this was advertised otherwise?
>>
Hell ya can't wait for pokken
>>
>>375722023
That would require shitposters to look up what they are talking about.
>>
>>375721857
I'm not even sure anymore, are you actually that stupid or are you falseflagging to try and make people who don't like ARMs seem retarded?
There are decent arguments that someone who didn't like ARMs can make, but you just seem to be dead set on calling people, "Nintendildo".

Do you just want to try and get your new term for Nintendo fan/NinTenYearOlds/Nintentoddlers into use?
>>
>>375722641
he's just obsessed with phallic objects. he wants nintendo fans to be the big black that will cuck him and fuck his girl.
>>
>>375722641
He knows people got the usual buzzwords filtered so he's making up new ones to slip by.
>>
>>375711063
>By that logic, Naruto is a fighting game.
Yes most Naruto games are fighting games
>>
Anyone else fucking love the music from 0:06 to 0:16?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQJ6Be3EkxY
>>
>>375711163
yes
>>
>>375712414
i saw someong selling shirts on redbubble with these logos on em if anyones interested
>>
>>375724260
link?
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>>375713234
Underrated pic.
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>>375713234
Is this done by the actual Armikrog guy?
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The fighting game genre doesn't need to be saved, the good games just need more ad revenue and attention.
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>>375726046
https://www.redbubble.com/people/bionui123/works/26065804-spring-man-logo?grid_pos=43&p=t-shirt&rbs=5217501a-e59e-43f0-9ad7-2d941b94f667&style=mens

the seller has the others as well
>>
>>375726656
sweet. man people don't waste time in trying to cash in on new IPs
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>>375726656
I highly doubt this is legal
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predict sales.

We already know that ARMS is gonna hit a million but could it do better?
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>>375709854
MinMin even has the best fans
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>>375726990
Somebody should start a new thread. And label it properly next time. Put Arms in the goddamn title
>>
>>375727116
>blonde asian with a cute hat

she's perfect @w@
>>
>>375709854
>Ribbon Dad
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>>375727116
I want her to kick me
>>
>>375727116
>Still no poster of the male characters besides Helix

Why?
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>ITT autistic street-fighter fags decide that everything that isn't a clone of their boring franchise is not a fighting game
>>
>>375727926
this, reeeeeeee fuck helix. stupid goop impersonating pile of green shit
>>
>>375728020
It's only not okay when Nintendo does it.
>>
>>375709772
But Guilty Gear already did that.

ARMS is still gonna be good though.
>>
Someone post Helix's running away win animation
>>
>>375727116
>official ARMS character sketches. They were all apparently drawn up by art director Masaaki Ishikawa
>>
>>375727116
Min Min
Affiliation: Mentenhan Restaurant*
Height: 5’5”
Weight: I’m on a diet…
Age: 18
Favorite Things: My mother’s ramen

Customer magnet for Mentenhan Restaurant*, famous for their delicious ramen!
She’ll noodle through the Grand Prix by knocking away her opponent’s attacks with her harsh kicks and personality!
Will she win the champion’s belt, and send her parents’ restaurant into the spotlight?

>>375727220
indeed
>>
>>375728385
>We never got a Master Mummy drawing

It's not fucking fair
>>
I will have sex with Minmin. AMA
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>>375728705
you're crazy if you don't realize biff has wrecked ribbon girl and min min's vaginas. Mechanica is the only pure one left
>>
>>375728705
what do you hope her farts smell like
>>
>>375728705
I want to have sex with Minmin too.
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>>375710038
Yeah that's why the FGC is constantly complaining about Smash, right? Because they love it so much?
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>>375728385
>look this guy up
http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Masaaki_Ishikawa
Jesus Christ.
You can tell this guy has been wanting to do something NOT boring as hell for a while.
He finally made it. He finally got a piece of the pie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L09qnRfZY-k&t=16s
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>>375729359
That explains why ARMS has such an awesome art direction. They got their A team on it
>>
>>375728385
ribbon girl
>>
>>375730064
Shit Ribbon Girl actually looks pretty cool here.
>>
Aren't anime based on sports popular?

ARMS and Splatoon sports anime WHEN?
>>
>>375730064
Mechanica
>>
>>375711370
I hate Nintendobees
>>
>>375730325
I dunno about splatoon but an arms anime would be choice
>>
>>375730379
>>
>>375730379
>that helix.
Heh
>>
>>375730379
Is Helix supposed to mean something?
>>
>>375730724
>>
>>375730962
>>
>>375731058
>>375730962
>>375730724
>>375730379
>>375730064
>>375728385

God this art direction is fucking stellar. We need a manga or anime or something
>>
is this game going to have pro controller support?
>>
>>375731279
ye
>>
>>375731279
Yes.
>>
>>375731279
yep.
>>
>>375731279
yeah
>>
>>375731279
Indeed.
>>
>>375731279
はい
>>
>>375731279
Uhhuh.
>>
>>375731243
ARMS artstyle succeeds where Project STEAM failed: it manages to retain stylistic excellence without falling into the "generic anime" cliche; it almost has a Pixar vibe to it.
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>>375733058
Reminds me of Tezuka and Ishinomori's styles. Very Cyborg 009.
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>>375712546
This, desu.
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