This is the ideal JRPG. You may like Persona better, but this

>>375684152
The battles and dungeon crawling are boring compared to P5. Not even meming you.

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>>375684152
You posted the wrong image

>>375684225
Wrong.

>>375684225
As soon as I see the OP I knew this post was coming

Dungeons are debatable, but battles are better in Nocturne

>>375684152
The difficulty is extremely inconsistent, the peak being Matador, an early boss

>>375684225
Press turn is objectively better than one more. Also Nocturne doesn't have any stupid shit like Futaba's abilities making every battle 2 minutes longer

>>375684152
ideal jrpg as long as you dont use camera controls

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>>375684152
DDS is better.

>>375684694
I have more trouble against Hell Biker than Matador since that fucker love spamming the Force+Buff purge AOE skills

>>375684827
You're wrong but I'm not going to say you don't have excellent taste

>>375684152
>80 hours slug of random encounter every 2 steps
no thanks

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Why can't people just enjoy both series?

>>375684954
Because Persona has shit stories, terrible anime characters and bad gameplay until 5.

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>>375685046
>he's a shitter who can't enjoy things

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>>375684152
>It's a "Megami Tensei fags ignore the existence of the objectively best ATLUS series" thread

>>375684893
Hi normie. Go play FFXV

Nocturne is still a very good game. I would love to see an HD remaster or something like that.

>>375685174
This. EO blows SMT out of the water in terms of combat complexity, strategy and dungeon design.
The only thing SMT really has over it is the fact that collecting and fusing demons is addicting as hell.

>>375684743
>Press turn is objectively better than one more
No it's not, it's completely lopsided. Too much reward and too much punishment. The "1 more" mechanic is a lot more balanced.

>>375685376
>too much rewards and too much punishment

Which rewards pre-planning and knowing what the fuck you are doing more

>>375685376
>completely lopsided
>too much reward
>too much punishment
that means it's balanced though

>>375685174
Too bad EOV will never be translated.

>>375685458
If you swing the pendulum around too hard, the string is gonna snap. That's what happens with Nocturne.

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>>375684316
funny u posted the wrong series too

>>375685046
Are you including Persona 2 in this, because if so neck yourself ASAP.

>>375685542
it works completely fine though
you beat the shit out of your enemies because you were prepared
you get the shit beat out of you if you weren't prepared
balance

>>375685174
>>375685362
Megaten and persona fans are very insecure.

They know if they don't shill persona and megaten everyday to make people buy that over EO, then EO might start doing better. And since EO is a far superior game series, they're afraid they'll lose their high school / demon waifu simulators

>>375685641
>dude hitler lmaoooooo

>>375685542
But it doesn't? Aside from Mot's one turn wipe Nocturne is pretty balanced in how it rewards that you know what to do. IV's problem mainly comes from Smirk and not Press Turn, which IV:A fix

>>375685641
Whoa, dude! An Eldritch abonimation is making rumors come true and reviving Hitler! It's so cool and edgy!

>>375684152
the game needs another remake
either lower encounter rate or walking 3D models like they do in SMT4, and other modern jrpgs
and voice acting please

Am I the only one that liked Smirk better in 4 than 4:A and preferred when they didn't fuck Hama and Mudo up? It's much better to do it like P5 where they added dedicated light/dark damage skills so that if you WANTED to take a chance and instakill something you could just hama/mudo them. As it stands in 4:A, even with Smirk, there's no guarantee that it's gonna instakill if hama or mudo connect and hit, it's kinda stupid if you ask me. Also Demon affinities seem to have way less a point to them than it might initially seem and I think they don't really do anything.

>>375685751
>>375685669
Neither of you played the game did you?

>>375685795

Of course not. Why play games when you can shitpost on /v/?

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>>375685785
smirk in vanilla iv was shit

>>375684152
>The ideal RPG has shallow combat with only the blandest skills
Maybe ideal for you but I prefer more skill variety and flexibility that allows strategies other than fusing demons until you get demons inmune to everything and then debuff the enemies.

>>375685905
I for one loved how retardedly strong it was

>>375685979
Persona 5 is substantially more shallow than SMT3, though.

>>375686052
I didn't say anything about p5 buddy

>>375685641
Persona 2's gameplay is atrocious.

Trauma Center is the best Atlus franchise

>>375686124
you're not me but I was about to say that same thing so it's ok.

>>375685785
>liking smirk better in 4 than 4A
Yep. Smirking in 4A just gave you a chance to crit and gave some new abilities added effects, nor were you guaranteed smirks. In 4, smirking gives you maxed out buffs and a crit chance, which is fucking dumb and way too powerful.

>hama/mudo
I hate when people say this. Hama/mudo work exactly like they do in every other game, except they now do damage. Complaining that you don't always get the kill is dumb, you may as well complain you don't get the kill in other games.

>demon affinities
It was just so that you couldn't pour any skills you liked onto demons and made them more specialized. It made the demons feel somewhat unique instead of just the 'next strongest str demon' or 'next strongest mag demon' like in 4.

>>375686179
i got your back pal

>>375685979
Actually you can't do that in Nocturne unless you are really going full autismo with Mitamas, since you only has 3 fusion kinds

>>375686132
It's on par with all the SMT titles released around the same time.

SMT gameplay didn't really come into its own until the PS2.

>>375685795
Are we lying about something? Hitler was brought back to life via rumors and Nyarlathotep was an Eldritch abomination pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Digital Devil Saga is the best SMT franchise.

>>375686198
Hama/Mudo suck in nearly every game, by the time you would want to start using it enemies start being resistant or immune to them.

>>375686170
I've only played Trauma Team, should I play the others?

>>375684152
Reminder that everyone who hates Noctunre is just a casual persona babby.

>>375686295
Yes and your immediate criticism of the game is the most commonly shitposted part of the story, which even people who've never played a single SMT game know about.

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*blocks your path*

>>375686464
>*debuffs u*

>>375686491
*Dekunda*
*Red Capote*

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>>375686464
*steals your press turns*

>>375684875
It's easy as fuck, just set it to auto battle for random encounters when you're not trying to negotiate for items.

I must have been unusually woke when I played Nocturne become I got the True Demon Ending with little trouble but Persona 5 on Hard is busting my balls

Maybe I'm getting dumber as I get older

>>375686307
They really shouldn't have killed off some of your teammates in 2. By the time you get them back, the team balance is all thrown off.

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>>375686642
>>375686464
>*macca beams u*

>>375686686
I don't know why it switched to this thread, I was replying to >>156647393 from and entirely different thread.

Unfortunately I haven't played Nocturne even though it's a classic, is it available for download somewhere?

Could someone explain the difference between the Push system and the 1 More system? I played Persona so I get the 1 More but haven't heard about the Push system

>>375686341
Well, exactly. They're made useful in final because there are plenty of enemies all throughout the game that are weak to light and dark and they can do damage so you're not wasting turns.

>>375686418
Yeah, and when you say it without memes it sounds pretty cool. Fuck off.

>>375686808
Mean to respond to the other guy.

>>375686392
UtK 1 is rough around the edges, but UtK 2 is outstanding. Second Opinion is a Wii remake of UtK 1 that adds a bunch of content, and New Blood is fairly standalone, though its difficulty is really slanted toward the co-op mode. I'd recommend them all, but obviously you don't really NEED to play UtK 1 if you play SO. I think the Wii controls are way worse, but it depends if you're emulating them or not.

>>375685669
>>375685751
>dude antichrist lmao

>>375684225
And no social links, what a waste.

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>>375686464
>>375686491
>>375686642
>>375686729
>gets more press turns and one shots u

>>375685174
I legitimately think Force in U2 is the best power up mechanic in a JRPG.

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>>375686464

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*smirks*

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>>375684624
I liked P5 but not even the dungeons are debatable, Nocturne's stood out more, stuff like the Moraie Sisters taunting you in the Obelisk, Kaiwan chasing you in the Prison, and the Fairy Park.
They're what P5's are but less tutorial and casual friendly.

>>375686760
Emulate it on upscaled settings, even laptop can do it. Press Turn is a lot like Baton Pass, it's pretty intuitive.

>>375686724
99% of /v/ whining about Persona 5 being so easy are probably playing on normal or safety.

Hard and merciless can be a challenge till you get OP personas like Yoshitsune.

>>375687160


Ah ok, you hit a weakness and then the next person gets a powerup on their turn? And if the demon hits your weakness then they get a followup I assume

>>375686760
Crit/Hit Weakness:+ 1/2 turn, pass to the next member, you have to have at least full turn left for this to take effect

Dodge/Hit Resist/Repel/Drain: -1 turn, pass to the next member

Pass action:1/2 turn

Normal action:Can take half turn or full turn. Prioritize half turn if they are available.

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>>375687260
More like every time the Player Phase starts, you have 4 total "turns" (displayed in a bar), if you hit a weakness, you get extra ones, if you get blocked or Nulled you lose two in a row.

>>375684624
>but battles are better in Nocturne

spamming layers and layers of debuffs/buffs doesn't make the battles better. terrible gameplay

>>375686341
Hama/Mudo are great in DDS, Final, and Persona 5.

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>>375687110
*agi*

>>375687450
What's wrong? Having lots of factors to manage like that is pretty good stuff for a turn based RPG.

>>375687450
Several bosses have buff/debuff purge and you also have to play around that. Fucking Matador has a debuff purge

>>375687220
No, P5 is just really easy compare to the previous 2 on Merciless mode

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Is Devil Survivor still the only SMT game with a good Law Route?

Do SMTfags still have chips on their shoulders?

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>>375687465

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>>375687730
SJ

>>375687730
And it still has a better chaos route.

>>375687776
lmao

>>375687730
Play SMT II.

>>375687730
Devil Survivor just has the best routes in general.

>>375687776
fuck off mastema

>>375687730
It's funny how Devil Survivor has a generic anime art style but is by far the best SMT game in terms of writing

>>375686237
SMT didn't give you infinite MP (the rate of regen on it is fucking absurd), it didn't auto-level you for using magic, it didn't have a secondary thing level up and provide stats where only the highest of either mattered (meaning a person with 99 Str and 1 Luck equipped with a persona with 1 Str and 99 Luck had 99 Str and 99 Luck), and recruiting new demons for your team or fusing them were much more involved than the god awful system P2 had with the insane amount of grinding for truly shitty personas.

Persona 1 and 2 are the goddamn low points of the entire Megaten franchise when it comes to gameplay, and you are insane if you think they stand up to Devil Summoner or Soul Hackers. I'd argue they don't even stand up to SMT1 or 2.

>>375684827

DDS is Nocturne for Babies.

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>started the TDE Hard Solo run
I will follow in the footsteps of Praetarius, just you wait.

>>375688003
>smt 1
zio

>>375688010
Demi-fiend is harder than any Nocturne boss.

>>375686986

i hate that faggot

thanks for the reminder

>>375688184
Yeah cause pixie has him horns same here

>>375688150
At least you could feasibly have your only source of fast Zio die or run out of MP, and had other things to do in the game.

Persona 2 is you set your 3 fucking macros to combination attacks, and you press triangle to autobattle through everything so that it'll just repeat them. Every single battle, because it doesn't matter how much MP it costs since you'll recover 100 MP from taking 3 steps out of battle.

>>375684152
I wanna play Kyuukaku Megami Tensei. Is it still worth looking into?

>>375688184
Demi-fiend is the craziest superboss in general

>Gaea Rage

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>>375684152
>it's another "megatenfags try to convince people their series is better" episode
Pathetic, megatenfags have the biggest inferiority complexes in in the entire JRPG genre
>"waaaaah waifu simulator"
>"waaaaah anime"
>"waaaaah SMT is more hardcore"

>>375688375
You will never run out of zio. For large swaths of the game, the heroin has access to all levels, so MP is not a problem. Even barring that, healing is incredibly, incredibly easy to afford. SMT I is absolutely piss easy. I can accept calling Persona 2's combat bad, but don't dare try to claim SMT 1 is worse.

>>375684152
SJ, Nocturne, and Devil Summoner are all amazing. As are the Persona games.

I have yet to play the unmentioned ones, but Atlus does not make bad games. Catberine was even great.

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I just really fucking hate P4 and P5's UIs to be honest, both have to be some of the ugliest shit for a turn based game I've ever laid my eyes on.

P4 was okay I guess. P5 wasn't too hard compared to some moments in P1-4 which on standard aren't terribly difficult until some secret boss, same for P5 with Reaper and 2Loli. Didn't like the music, hated the UI. Some of the themes with purifying corrupt adults came off annoying. It's whatever. Here's hoping they have the balls to keep Strange Journey's dungeons bullshit in the remake.

>>375688463
*SMT I is better

>>375688463
I will definitely claim SMT1's is better than Persona 2's steaming shitpile. It has way more going on in it.

You have actual resources that could run out of, like MP or MAG. To break the game, you have to go out of your way to figure that out, and make Heroine fast, topped up on MP, and not getting killed instantly.

To get anywhere near as broken as Persona 2, you'd need to make ALL magic do that, every character would need to be able to cast magic, MP and MAG are infinite, no more game over when the MC dies, and you get free level ups every second time you cast any magic.

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>>375686729
FUUUCK I HATE THAT FUCKIMG MACCA BEAM SHIT

>>375689096
The funny thing is you're talking also about problems that were mostly fixed in EP. It's not nearly as easy. SMT 1 however is just easy as shit, even discounting the zio exploit. You will never run out of Mag either because it's so easy to pick up. Even if you're new you will never run out of mag.

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SMTV when?

>>375689475
I really hope it goes back to it's roots so we can show those personashitters what a real game is like.

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>>375689963
SMT is Inconvenient Shit: The Experience

You want to return to that?

>>375689475
>IV:A's gameplay and fusion with affinities
>Phys cost HP again
>Nocturne's dynamic dungeons
>Actual post-apoc atmosphere

Come on Atlus

>>375690031
you really want every atlus game to be a dating sim? just leave that to persona

>>375690031
>inconvenient shit
if you're talking about encounter rates then just use fucking
ESTOMA
S
T
O
M
A

>>375689963
>back to it's roots
SMT IV and IV:A basically already did that. I want something different like Nocturne or being pure neutral like IV:A.

Does anyone else like how SMT4 focused more on the relationships with the friends than the others? 4A went to far though

>>375689475
Not soon enough. The Switch needs games in a big, bad way. I can't see it coming any earlier then end of 2018. Probably 2019 though

>>375690294
Maybe the switch game wil be norsewank instead of YHVH wank

>>375689963
>you will never be this butt blasted

>>375690126
SMT's roots is basically Suffering Sim though

Is SMTIV/A a direct homage to the old SMT games? Are dungeons in FPV too?

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>>375690561
No. Dungeons are 3rd person with enemies icon

Battles are 1st person. As for homage, IV's main cast is designed to reference I's

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>>375685174
>create a fantastic adventure game that really feels like a band of adventures as you draw out dungeons and manage your guild
>use static images for the characters so there's no visible feeling of progression in them

HNRRGRRHH WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

>>375689475
>switch

nani

>>375685542
shit analogy

>>375690756
What do you want, injured versions of each portrait or something? Even going slow you'll reach the final dungeon/stratum in a few in-game months.

I kinda want to keep pushing on with Nocturne but it's pretty fucking boring

No voice acting, no story (literally just "go here now please thank you"), it's literally just you following a linear path of combat that doesn't even have that much depth or fun to it.

More often than not I'm just "rushing" through.

>>375690898
Them wearing different armor sets.

Nothing shows progression better than literal rags to riches

>>375690829
revealed during that switch event back in january
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIIu_kcWXpA

>>375686464

killed him first try.
you guys are hyping this fucker more up than he deserves.

I like SMT1, SMT2, Soul Hackers, and Persona 1 more

>>375690974
Damn, then what are they doing with all the PS4 assets?

>>375690965
Actually talking to the NPCs around, they reveal a lot of shit

Also the dungeons's labyrinth-like structure make them pretty fun to run around for me with popping Estoma. Nihilo's chase and Kabukicho's gimmick were fun

>>375691106
You realize P5 is a PS3 game right? Switch could easily do it.

>>375691106
using the hd assets from p5 for this smt, most likely

>>375691137
I have been talking to the NPCs, none of them have told me anything the main characters don't already, or that anyone could easily assume.

>>375691106
>>375691191
>>375691169
Considering P5's asssets are made with a heavily stylised cel shaded aesthetic in mind, I doubt that they can be ported 1:1

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>>375688184
It's funny people shit on Persona's difficulty because Elizabeth in P3 is unironically the hardest boss in SMT history followed by the Demi-fiend in DDS

Is there anyway to play the original Persona without the god-awful localization inb4 japanese or do I have no other option but to play the PSP version?

>>375692630
Your best option is to skip right to P2 desu.

>>375692041
Well they're already in the trailer for the new SMT.

>>375693048
How can you tell those are the same assets?

>>375693136
I'm not blind.

>>375693136
My dad works for atlus

>>375685751
Dumbass faggot sarcasm aside, that sounds pretty fun.

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>>375693136
>atlus
>not reusing assets

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Which magatama should I use on him, his terror blade keep critting and one shotting my skelly bros

>>375694234
resist phys

>>375684152
Ok, but even less people played any SMT game

>>375694234
>That feel when they've literally remade the same game for over 20 years with the same demons each time

>>375694593
And they say capcom loves reusing assets

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>>375694505
ah thanks, that helped a ton, I also switched out matador for arahabaki since he had expel immune and physical immune

well at least I had 2/3 of my skelly bros

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is the true demon ending good?

>>375695579
when something is fucking you up, it's kind of a no-brainer to resist his hardest-hitting attack instead of going for the stat boosts.
Of course, if your VIT is high, resists don't matter and you will tank any hit regardless.

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>>375695985
>having the opportunity to beat the shit out of YHVH
you tell me

>>375685650
t. pedophile

>>375686198
>a chance to crit
Guaranteed crit and increased damage. Shit, I can do 10k damage with hell thrust if I smirk. It's still very good in Apoc.

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what did she mean by this

>>375696965
she's going to (try) cleave your asshole apart

>>375692080
She isn't hard, you just need to know her specific strategy. She just follows a set pattern. Megadonald xD isn't difficulty

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>>375697037

>>375697124
So is GAEA RAGE LMAO

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>So I heard you were thinking about actually finishing this game

>>375697219
That's the only scripted part of the battle, after his demons use dormina, he will use gaea rage. Meanwhile, the whole Elizabeth battle is pretty much scripted.

>>375697306
>*Desperate Hits to oblivion*
Why is she hard again, because she can kill you in 1 hit?
She rarely uses MA and you have 4 party members to soak the hit

>>375697442
Because she constantly sends your demons back to your stock, and because mother's kiss can fuck you up even if you have a full party. And if you don't have desperate hit on a good demon as well as the correct sub-app, the second part is literal hell.

>>375697306
>implying i didn't do chaos first and jihaded her to death in NG+

>>375697534
if you have a mixed alignment party you can fuck over gay Mem Aleph skill
>but demon co-op
doesn't matter at this point of the game, you can nuke all demons with MC himself and still kill everything

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>>375697442
I had a totally broken cheat team consisting of Alice, Awake Jimenez and Judge Zelenin and mommy still put up a fight.

>>375697863
>you can nuke all demons with MC himself and still kill everything

Yeah, with his fantastic super powers; the sword and the gun.

>>375697936
>he doesn't use the literal best gun in the game, Meteor Dragoon
>he doesn't solo Horologium using nothing but Freischutz
>he doesn't solo Mem Aleph with Moan Bullet

>>375684152
Nah, P5 is pretty good. And I love SMT overall.

If they manage to fuse both styles into something updated and cool for the Switch title it will be perfection.

>>375688905
The problem is you.

>>375697863
>if you have a mixed alignment party
I didn't have a very good one. Thankfully, I had a few good chaos demons like Thor and another one who saved my ass.
>>375698006
I don't see the fun in using moan bullet, it's just broken. As you said, you can solo anything in the game with it. The combat system really needs a redo in DSJ

>>375688413
Yes.

>>375697442
I was something like level 70 when I got to her. Literally every hit one shot me, I needed three buffs just to live one.

>>375684152
I am fucking tired of the recent Nocturne shilling What the fuck is up with those SMT retard those day? Can't handle persona 5? Just shut the fuck up.

>>375684152

Nocturnebabbies are almost as insufferable as Personafags.

>>375684316
>unironically thinking radiant historia is good

>>375698721
>recent
Lurk moar.

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>>375684152
Atlus does not make good games

>>375699064
prove it

>>375684152
I wanna finish this but never got past Matador. Should I use a guide for the whole game or just for Matador? Which is the better option?

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>>375684152
there have been many bad SMT games, but Nocturne alone puts the series on top tier.

>>375699337
>there have been many bad SMT games

name them and I'll be the judge

>>375699101
>oh he keeps evading my attacks and he killed me with Physical and Force attacks
>SOMEONE PLAY THIS GAME FOR ME
you have all the information you need, figure it out for yourself

>>375699372
everything but Nocturne

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>>375699427

>>375689475

>switch
>not PS4

WHY

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This guy comes up and he slaps you're waifu's ass wat do?

>>375700931
Ziodyne to death

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>>375685174
Agreed.

>>375690680
could you go in depth on that for me?

>>375699337
bait list

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>>375684152
>tfw playing this as my first SMT game on hard after playing Persona 3, 4, and 5 two times each