Is it just me or is Persona 5 anti-capitalist? I just get the

Modern capitalism will lead to future dystopia, a path we are already upon.

Just look at how corporate interests swallow politics whole with their taint.

Why do you blame the developers for seeing with eyes clear?

Autism is a helluva drug

Greed isn't a new concept. Besides, there aren't any Jewish people in Japan so it can't be propaganda

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>>375656384

Greed also exists in communism, it's a class/property system that's the cause.

>>375656724
That's fair, capitalism has its fair share of issues; but the answer is not to be found in Marxism-Leninism, which led to death and destruction wherever it was propagated. The answer, as it always has been, is synthesis and safe experimentation with politics. For example, we found out that universal healthcare can work out pretty well, alright, cool. Baby steps. Murdering all the rich people in a country and creating a full on planned economy is just retarded, though

>>375657047
>we found out that universal healthcare can work out pretty well
what are you talking about, obamacare is a total mess

>>375657123
Obamacare isn't single payer universal healthcare. It's dissimilar to how European countries operate.

>>375657123
obamacare isnt a universal healthcare plan, think more canada etc

>>375657123
>Obamacare
>universal healthcare
Even Obamacare is preferable to assrape by companies desu

>>375656973
Not all wealth comes from exploiting others. And everyone is greedy and always will be.

When inequality between the masses and the elite reaches it's zenith, what happens then?

>>375657392
when will people learn that the government is just an other corporation? paying regular insurance is the same as paying any other tax. it goes into a pool and is dolled out where needed, except there's actually competition for the service unlike a government

>>375657047
>capitalism has its fair share of issues

Like what?

>>375656384
based melenchon

I thought insurance is for bad things that are less likely to happen, like car accidents, not getting every single fucking thing that you need periodically covered for you.

>>375657584
Are you serious?

It's the most profitable economic system for a reason.

>>375656384

Better that than have yet another JRPG with religion as the big bad evil.

>>375657584
I system based on mass demand doesn't sit well with me, either. It's prone to collectivism as much as Socialism.

>>375657729
Well technically you turn into Satan to shoot god in the head and steal the holy grail.

>>375657528
Taxes are needed for a healthy society.

Would you like all education privatized? How about firemen, or police? What about the roads you drive on?

Tax isn't theft when it is used to the benefit of society. Something many libertarians I know aren't able to understand.

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>>375656384
JUST

>>375657867
So if I rob you and then use the money to build roads it is totally ok?

>>375657867
>Would you like all education privatized? How about firemen, or police?
Definitely, especially police. During the Roman empire the soldiers doubled up as labourers. Cops can double up as retailers and the like; literally serving and protecting. They'd also have more incentive to keep their communities clean.

>>375657584
Cultural commodification, the reason why video games are 'mainstream' today is because corporations decided they could make a fuck of a lot more money. Also payed online, day one DLC, etc etc is all capitalism

>>375657867
>muh roads
Why wouldn't a decentralized community keep their roads functional? You thing deregulating will just make everyone stop working?

>>375658000

Ah yes, let's look to the ancient era for answers to modern problems.

Privatized police forces would never become beholden to the highest bidder or corporate interests. Never ever.

>>375657584
Like encouraging monopoly, funneling a disproportionate amount of the wealth to the 1%, lobbying to name a few.

>>375658154

>implying they aren't already

You should read up on the prison industry.

>>375658113
For urban areas, sure, but good fucking luck if you live anywhere where there's not constant traffic

>>375658161
That's neoliberalism and Jews fault, capitalism actually works when the government doesn't fuck shit up

>>375658305
>the justice system is fucked
>hey, why don't we make it more fucked

>>375657584
class warfare, enforced poverty

>>375658435
Yeah it's the government lmao, not the corporations

>>375658439
>the system we have is fucked
>but we shouldn't bother trying to change it because the possibility that some other system might end up fucked

>>375658000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UPKlvOtz_Q

>>375658435
>>375658529

Are you willfully blinding yourself to the fact that corporations now control our government?

>>375656384
The final boss is a corrupt politician and the protagonists are criminals who evade the legal system it sure as hell isn't pro-state.

Rather than anti-capitalist it's more anti-authority, stop trying to project.

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It's sad but that's how a lot of people think.

>>>/pol/

>>375657584
>class unbalance
>the richest people don't even have to work, they just make fictive investment with fictive money while monopolizing all the world's ressources
>everything in nature has a value, leading to the earth being over exploited and slowly destroyed
capitalism != money
capitalism = capital
aka the shit mainly led by the usa forced down our throats since >50 years leading to the ridiculous gap between the wealthiest and poorest

>>375656384
I love how these fucking nigger commie mods leave this bullshit up but ban you if you even post anything remotely right wing

Fuck you cunt, die commie

>>375658589
Your "solution" is will only exacerbate the problem not solve it.

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>>375658605
That wasn't your original point retard-kun. Anyone with eyes can tell that corporate lobbyists and government officials have switched roles

>>375658747
I disagree.

>>375658709
>people who disagree with my far right ideology are the true sheep
>now let's shout expletives, that will surely show people my cause is just and right

>>375658154
>Ah yes, let's look to the ancient era for answers to modern problems.
Ah yes, let's dismiss arguments with snarky non arguments.
Federalized police forces are beholden to government interests that can legally manipulate currencies work hand in glove with corporate lobbying.

>>375658709
that post is right wing you illiterate

>>375658605
government control corporations. The corps monopolize and the government gives the monopoly. You think *more* government regulation is going to fix that?

>>375657649
No. Fuck him.

>>375657867
In the U S of A our roads are shit and have been designed in a way that is literally killing us: the only way to get around 99% of the country is by car, so our carbon footprint is insane.
Please join Stalin and his victims in death, you stupid communist faggot

>>375658871

Privatized police forces are beholden to the highest bidder and corporate interests.

If you cut the money, rampant cronyism, and corruption from politics it will solve this.

Just look at how successful the Nordic Model is.

>>375657991
Ethically yes.

>>375657528

No, government is a church, the nation state is its religion.

>>375658964
You call regulation bad conceptually without actually citing bad regulations.
If there were no regulations monopolies would thrive and kill all competition. Without regulation there would be no net neutrality.

>>375659153
>Just look at how successful the Nordic Model is.
By ignoring welfare migrant crime?

>>375659158
Nice. Next time I get caught stealing I'm just going to say I was going to use it to build infrastructure.

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>>375656384
capitalism/communism are 2 sides of the same jew coin

>>375658794
>Free market is broken
>It worked pretty well whenever it was implemented

>>375659218
>If there were no regulations monopolies would thrive and kill all competition.
so much doublethink

>>375658435
capitalism works perfectly up until one corporation gets sufficiently far ahead. And then that corporation chokes off all competition and uses its position to prevent future competition from arising and then you get cable companies. Also stuff like company scrip happens. Seriously this has all happened before.
If the government doesn't regulate business in accordance with its ideology, a different regulatory body will pop up, and usually one that cares solely about money

>>375658837
Based on fucking what? You never proved that privatizing shit wouldn't lead us down the path of the past. You're literally supporting a return to feudalism.

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>>375659278

>>375659302
How exactly?

>>375659153

Do you count going from one of the safest places to live to the #6 highest rate of rapes in the world as "successful"?

>375657123
The irony in that statement is that Obamacare got emputated by the Republican congress which was lobbied by assurance companies.

Ultra liberal capitalism at its best.

>>375659386
>Based on fucking what?

I just disagreed based on the exact same you disagreed with me on: fucking nothing. I'm not going to argue with someone whose only argument is "you're wrong". Fuck off.

>>375659475
Try starting a business and see how much these regulations help you be competitive in the market.

>>375658964
>government control corporations

HAHAHAHAHA

>>375659034
t. flyover state

>>375659283
Saying "the free market has been implemented and worked well" is like saying "historically others have failed because it wasn't true communism".

>>375656384
No you fucking idiot, it's anti-corrupt authority

for fucks sake you dont go around taking down every store in the game, you take down the ones that abuse their employees as a sidequest and that's just making them have a change of heart to confess their crimes.

fucking retard

>>375659220
>>375659498

That is a symptom of inefficient and despotic societies that people escape from.

When people are born and bred in shit, they will act like shit.

>>375659616
Regulations also work to weed out inefficient/poor business' from doing shady shit to stay ahead.

There's also (in Straya, surely the land of opportunity has them too) lots of incentives to help small businesses on their way.

>>375659639
Which one has the military and make the laws?

>>375658964
>government control corporations
You're so innocent
Read up on lobbying

>>375658841
>hating communist scum makes me far right

TOP KEK

>>375659751
>apologizing for rapists

Sure is Sweden in here.

>>375659616
Try starting a business where there's already a monopoly and see how much of a chance you have to compete.

>>375656384
>an eastern gook-made game despises white western values

WOAH BIG FUCKING SHOCKER!

>>375659810
Which one has the money?

>>375659751
No, it's all genetic. Nordic people are genetically predisposed to being stupidly trusting of out groups, while the migrants are in the 80 IQ range which is the sweet spot for criminality. Reshaping society isn't going to fix genetics.

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>>375659905
western made games despise western values, anon

>>375659907
The one who prints it; ie the Fed, which is unofficially an extension of the Treasury and the only institution in the US that can legally counterfeit.

>>375659616
You know when you don't regulate corporations they dump shit in the water supply, get workers burnt alive, and pay in scrip, right?
or did that never happen?
Would true capitalism compensate for that?

>>375659810
>make the laws?

Senators funded by corporations, many of whom retire to a comfortable corporate chairmanship.

>>375659890
That just goes straight back to what I originally said, moron.

>>375659905
How come Germanics and Slavs were running around naked worshipping rocks until they gained Roman influence and culture? The last group of Europeans to be 'assimilated' under Catholic control were the (modern day) Estonians, who were still naked and worshipping rocks in the mid 15th century. If we had continued to isolate them, do you think they would have magically become modern over 500 years or do you think they would still be running around naked worshipping rocks?

>>375659858

Not an apologist, but I try to look at the world from an unbiased perspective.

Should immigration vetting be tighter for all of Europe? Yes. These people come from shithole societies and they bring over shithole ideologies and live in pocket societies because we don't properly assimilate them.

>>375659989
It's not genetic. If you take a black baby from Compton and raise them in a white middle class suburb they're not going to act the same as if they were raised in a ghetto.

It's the same concept for a Syrian.

>>375660025
I'm missing your point? TLoU is shit but he's absolutely right. All creators work off their views of the world and that includes political values.

>>375659936
Then why are you on /v/

>>375660167
That's Socialist inefficiency; central planning. Karl Marx didn't invent the idea of keeping workers and customers happy and healthy; it's localized markets that rely on such a model. But OCD fruitcakes like you just can't leave things be.

>>375660167
If we had true free market capitalism, half the country would be literally owned by the top .001% as slaves.

>>375660270
>actually believing the jew-fabricated accounts of civilization's history

Hmm I wonder who's behind this ((((post))))?

>>375660317
>If you take a black baby from Compton and raise them in a white middle class suburb they're not going to act the same as if they were raised in a ghetto.
Objectively false.
>It's the same concept for a Syrian.
Most of the welfare migrants aren't even Syrian.

>>375660414
>capitalism is just 'letting things be'

PURE

>>375659616
You know what happens without unions and regulation?
Sweatshops
Un/underpaid workers
No benefits
Unhealthy workplace environments

Regulations are literally standards.

I admit, ridiculous standards can hurt businesses, but having no standards at all hurts the consumer and enables large companies to fuck over all the competition.

>>375660518
>Objectively false.
Objectively wrong. It has been proven time and again that nature plays a far smaller role than nurture.

>>375660518
>objectively false

Provide evidence from a peer-reviewed publication please.

>>375659989
>its all genetic
You do know The Bell Curve was disproven by the human genome project and Inequality by Design?
You couldn't possibly be relying on a book from the 90s when all contemporary literature points to intelligence being a product of socioeconomic status?
Are you sure you're not just basing your beliefs on things that agree with your world view?

>>375660565
literal Socialist strawman.

>>375657047
See, I can make the same argument with democracy, which many westerners seem keen to do away with and replace with an autocracy

>>375660253
So you're trying to say regulation is necessary?
Because you can't be saying both.

>>375659398
I don't get it

why is hilter wearing a ron paul mask?

Damn you just went full /pol/. Never go full /poi/.

>>375660658
Scientific facts are consensus diven, anon...

>>375660675
Nice non-argument non-rebuttal.

>>375660140
Are you pretending to be dumb or do you genuinely have no idea of the power held by the big corporations?

>>375660431
That's a already the case. How many companies make absurd amount of profits while the ceos literally give themselves dozens of millions of dollars (if not more) of bonuses all the while firing thousands of people to make even more profits.

>>375660675
Except it has happened before and continues to happen in countries with little labor protection laws.

>>375660703
Regulation is 100% necessary and anyone who believes otherwise is mentally retarded. Over burdening regulation is bad. Making it so you can't put lead in water and sewage in food is required.

>>375660787
Much like Bill nye, you are not a scientist. You are an agenda pusher.

>>375660819
>Are you pretending to be dumb or do you genuinely have no idea of the power held by the big corporations?
Why did you ignore what I said?

>>375660675
Literally history you fucking retard. It wasn't that long ago that child labor was not only legal, but forced to earn enough to live in poverty/

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>>375660851
Truly the only solution is National Socialism

>>375660931
You're the one saying that everything's on a spectrum, biology and genetics be damned.

>>375658113
>Why should I have to pay for it when someone else can?

>>375660787
do you think "some races are genetically inferior" is the scientific consensus?
I mean two chimpanzees are statistically more likely to have more genetic diversity between them than two people on opposite sides of the planet, but I've never heard of subspecies of them

>>375660819
>That's a already the case. How many companies make absurd amount of profits while the ceos literally give themselves dozens of millions of dollars (if not more) of bonuses all the while firing thousands of people to make even more profits.
It's not the case. It's bad, but not nearly as bad as you think it is. People at least aren't chained to corporations and forced to work themselves to the bone to support themselves alone, at least not on a major scale. Now, when it comes to supporting a family on minimum wage jobs? Yeah, shit's pretty fucking bad. Hopefully we can solve the issue with UBI in the future, but god knows how long that'll take. We can't even get Repubs to agree on scientific facts that maybe polluting the Earth is a bad thing since we live on it, and maybe we shouldn't try to keep triggering a mass extinction event when we've only been here for less than a couple hundred thousand years?

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>>375656384
It's more like Occupy Wall Street.

Young, angry, and destructive, but without a real ethos aside from opposition to the existing system.

>>375660518
>Objectively false.

From all the studies I've read over the years, while black kids raised by white parents tend to fair the same intellectually/academically as black kids raised by their biological parents, they fair far better on a social level. They're far less likely to fall into the same statistical pitfalls as black kids raised in black families.

Blacks and whites clearly aren't the same, but most of the the problems with blacks (American blacks anyway) are a direct result of the environment and circumstances with which they are raised.

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I wonder if this thread was made to discuss video games.

>>375661147
I meant that they *aren't* consensus driven. And inferiority/superiority isn't a factor; environment suitability is. You can't brush away facts just because of some political implications in your mind.

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>>375661437
Gotcha cover my dude.

>>375658000
Privatised police forces generally turn into thugs for hire, and privatized firemen are just as bad/ They had that in Ancient Rome, you know

>Firefighters were slaves that would sit outside your house and watch it burn
>Their owner will tell you that they'll put out the fire, but only for a ridiculously high cost
>He'll keep pushing the price up as more of your house burns down until you literally can't afford it and you lose your house or you cave in

Hell, there was a senator who did something similar to this where he would BUY the house off you instead but at an extremely low price. He'd keep lowballing you even further as more of your house burnt down. He was able to get a lot of land very cheaply this way. Some people even suspect he started fires himself

Good luck getting him arrested with a privatised police force though, since he can just buy them all out

>>375658609
>>>375656384 (OP)
>The final boss is a corrupt politician
I thought it was "Igor"...

>>375661503
That shit sounds insane. And Rome was one of the greatest civilizations ever created. Fucking Christ, if America ever degenerates into that state I'm fucking out.

>>375661358
>environment and circumstances with which they are raised.
They get loads of welfare and benefits shoveled their way and they still shit all over their communities. They really just need some incentive to sort their own shit out; namely stop giving them any government aid at all because that clearly gives them a reason to be nihilistic, just like the stupid urban punks in England.

>>375661653
Money has never solved problems, especially when it's only enough money for basic necessities. It's an entrenched cultural and structural problem.

>>375661653
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>>375660317
where are the video games

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>>375662046
Mods are fags.

>>375661878
>It's an entrenched cultural and structural problem.
Groups of people don't function like computer hardware, anon.

>>375662219
Yes they do. Humans are literally biological computers, programmed with herd mentality.

>>375662578
Evolutionary biology tells a different story.

>>375662701
No it doesn't. Evolution is the programming, you realize that yes?

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The world is run by a malevolent Saturn cult.
Learn to appreciate art on an aesthetic level and recognize propaganda.

>>375662889
>being this autistic

>people posing as communists promoting it all happy style are doing it outside of communist countries
evry tiem

>>375662889
Evolution constantly mutates regardless of environment; some mutations thrive and others die. There is no programming; it's all chaos.

>>375663140
It's not chaos if it occurs because of environmental causes and factors. Those are measurable and certain. Mutations don't survive unless they're beneficial or neutral. Developing eyes, for example, was a distinct advantage in the animal kingdom for a majority of species. There are a set of rules that your "chaos" plays by.

>>375656384
Who's that woman she's hot

I'd seize her means of reproduction if you know what I mean

>>375662046
up my arsehole
wanna check 'em out?

>>375663284
>occurs because of environmental causes and factors.
It works the other way around. The mutations survive because they beneficial, not because the environment itself caused them to be that way. Life is another species of death; it's just matter in motion. Things in nature are simply similar to other things; there is no abstract universality, only the nominal.

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>>375662578
>>375662701
>>375662889
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>>375663140
why can't we put darwinian algorithms into a computer and see something having the complexity of life in a computer? We should see the evolutionary process right now with the tools we have today.

Maybe you know-it-alls should answer doctor Berlinski, also tell him why you can't make a genetic algorithm without meddling with the thing constantly, if darwinian theory is to be accepted.

How come mutations are the engine of genetic diversity if they're mostly deleterious? Why if we randomly change the code of a program, it will experience catastrophic failure but this isn't happening with living systems? That makes no sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ElA0--JNg

>>375663942

>>375660317

Explain the huge gap between black and not black runners if genetic difference between groups doesn't matter.

>>375656384
Are you the same autist who tried to link NHK to communism on /a/ a week or so ago?

>>375657867
>Would you like all education privatized
Unironically yes.

I don't want to pay for state propaganda and I don't want to pay for fat pieces of shit, heavy smokers and alcoholics and other druggies to receive treatments. And in terms of saying how current healthcare doesn't work, if you consider current healthcare free market then pull the other one m8 it's got bells on.

>Tax isn't theft when it is used to the benefit of society. Something many libertarians I know aren't able to understand.
That's retarded. "It's not theft if I like what the thief does with it". I mean I don't actually think taxation is theft but that's still an incredibly retarded way to say it.

>>375657991
The entire fucking planet has already decided that it is.
But hey, YOU know better

>>375661251

Why is extinction bad?

>>375666921

the entire planet decided that women shouldn't vote at one time.

>>375663079
There are a lot of Russians on /pol/ who unironically want the USSR to come back

>>375663573
>The mutations survive because they beneficial, not because the environment itself caused them to be that way.
This is the dumbest thing I've read all day and I've been on here for hours.

Beneficial as a frame of reference to what? THE ENVIRONMENT dumbass. There is no "Forward" in evolution. There is simply better suited to the *current* environment. Any change in the environment that puts enough pressure on the system will result in the system readjusting to equilibrium (given time) via the propagation of originally random genes expressed more often through a population. That's literally evolution 101. The environment might not directly effect the individual mutations, but the environment is the sole factor in which genes become expressed throughout the population and which fall to the wayside.

>>375663683
>darwinnian algorithms inside the computer

haha wtf did i just read

literally no clue about anything

>>375663140
pretty much every scientist is a determinist

are you religious?

>>375669480
>haha
very compelling argument, you should write a book

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>>375656384
isn't the communist party of Japan the third largest political party in Japan ?

>>>/pol/

>>375669854
>communist party.
OK
>fascist party.
S H U T IT D O W N.

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>>375656384
The problem is that japs stopped being capitalistic in 1989+-. In 1990 they fell for Keynes meme and created welfare state "utopia" that ended up as any welfare state: corporatism and crony capitalism. Bribes. connections, shady deals is the only thing that can help you to climb the social ladder in crony capitalism environment. For example, the market is pretty much split between japanese corporations that are well protected by their government and good luck becoming a new big company with that mess. And everything ended up in 20 years of recession and growing!(picrelated)

>>375656384
Is it just me or is this yet another mobile poster starting an obvious /pol/ thread? :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE6wxDqdOV0

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>>375670389
I mean it makes sense in japan's case since communist and socialist parties usually thrive in areas/countries where working conditions are shit and Japan would probably be one of them

>>375668070
There's nothing dumb about it. The environment is a frame of reference for which gene is suitable for the environment, not how the genes are determined by the environment.

>>375656384
Maybe. It was more of a basic "Fuck adults for fucking up everything, let's get our revenge." kind of story.

>>375669628
determinism is ideological, unscientific and only works in hindsight.

>>375657528
Except the government looks to each individual company as the provider for actual medical needs, they aren't going to provide it themselves. Companies would have to compete for government business.

This means that instead of "competing" with other companies by meeting together and deciding who is in charge of what location of America, the government sets standards in contract that have to be met or they find another company.

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The one guy spamming "video game pictures" must be one delusional leftist communist. Enjoy Mr Goldsteins dick!

>>375656384
Have a friend whose father known this bastard in college. He BLEACHED so many pussies by talking politics with them he made about every of his comrades fucking mad. Apparently, banging was the first reason why he became a politician.

I kindda like him now.

>>375671058
wrong but ok. u religious?

>>375656384
Is it just me or is Robin Hood anti-capitalist? I just get the vibe because it seems like a lot of the merry men's activities involve taking down the wealthy, who seemingly became wealthy through selfish actions.

>>375671746
>Is it just me or is Robin Hood anti-capitalist?
He was stealing from the government that was getting rich by taxing people to death. Taxation is theft, Robin Hood is ancap.

Everybody who has ever become wealthy has done so through selfishness

>>375668070
> mutations survive because they beneficial, not because the environment itself caused them to be that way.

Except he's pretty much right. Mutations in DNA are random. They can be good or bad depending on circumstance. Bears living in/near the artic didn't turn white because they lived near snow. They turned white because one day a white bear was born from a brown bear. This bear was white out of pure chance and it turned out he was able to camouflage himself better while hunting in the snow. He got more food than other bears, had bear sex because of it, now there are polar bears.

If that same white bear had been born in South Carolina he would've died from starvation because he's really easy to spot at a distance. That's how natural selection works. They are random mutations in DNA that just happen to be beneficial and get passed on because of their benefit.