IT'S AN ACTION RPG

So like XV?

It's a timed release, action JRPG. Just like FFXV.

Don`t worry, the Switch version will be turn-based. The Chrono Trigger director is working on it and will not be episodic.

>>375626364
Hopefully not as shitty.

I don't mind that it has action based combat, FFVII did not have a particularly great combat system.

The important thing is that we can play as all characters and not just Cloud.

>>375626542
>the Switch version will be turn-based.
LOL!

>>375626089
Duh?
Wonder how they'll pull off the Jenova fights.

Good. Turn based is fucking ancient boring outdated garbage.

>>375626089

Don't worry, the mobile port will be an 8-bit remake that's otherwise faithful to the original.

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>>375626089
Tell us more anon.

>>375626605

Shut up cunt.

>>375626089
And that's when my interest in the game vanished.

Dragon quest XI >>>>>> Final Fantasy 7 remake.

>>375626089
Ugh... what a shitshow this game is going to be. And it'll sell well no matter what because of its name. But damn, man... the original game struck a really nice balance between its mechanics.

Square desperately wants to make movies but can't.

>>375626593
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/04/square_enix_veteran_and_chrono_trigger_director_teases_nintendo_switch_project

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1363973

https://www.technobuffalo.com/2017/04/07/square-enix-fully-supports-nintendo-switch-considering-more-games/

sonyggrs on suicid watch

> we want the Gears of War audience

>>375626861
All just rumor and don't mean shit.
They aren't going to downgrade the game just for the switch. It'll surely come to PC though.

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>>375626542
Don't make them jokes lad. That's not even trolling now. That's you making yourself chuckle.

>>375626089
make it ATB like FFXII, that's all it needs.

FFXV is fucking weird.

FF7s combat was straight up garbage so I'm glad.

Even in its own time it paled in comparison to games like Xenogears and Vagrant Story.

>>375626568
>>375626842
>>375626995
It's going to be FFXV, already confirmed. Stop being a pussy, you're all going to buy it and play it even if it's episodic anyway.

>>375626089
>FF7 remake
>not remaking FF6 in 3D

>>375626089
>people still want a turn based battle system for this
lol why?
whats so enjoyable about having to watch your character just stand in place until its their turn to attack?
>b-but muh strategy!
yeah, chance all youre just gonna be attacking normally in 90% of the battles.

i find it more enjoyable to be able to button mash attacks. at least that will feel like im more in control over my character.

>>375626976
I'm not trolling, I fully expect to have a Switch version, and since it will probably be focused on the japanese market, I'm also expecting it to be turn based. I'm seeing right now the same deal that happened with Dragon Quest XI, they will make two different versions, and the secret project that the Chrono Trigger director is working on is probably the Switch version. Besides there have been a lot of rumors on Neogaf about a Switch version and Square said they are totally onboard of the Switch.

All signs are there.

>>375627119
Well not really as FFXV, but a mix like it.

>>375627119
>It's going to be FFXV
>already confirmed
Because you say so is not confirmation

>>375626964
They will make the same thing they did with Dragon Quest XI, the Switch version will be focused on the japanese market and probably be turn based, the graphics will be a lot worse than the PS4 version, but not that bad either.

This remake has the potential to sell something like 5 million in Japan, but if it's limited to PS4 it won't even reach 2 million and Square knows that.

>>375627159
Why FF6

>>375627202
The chance for a Switch port are very low.

>>375627119

But it's not like FFXV, it was stated that it's like Dissidia.

>>375627119
>every realtime combat system is now FFXV
Why are people here so fucking blind
Also if you don't like it don't buy it, combat is definitely the last thing why i liked FF7

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>>375627119
That's not true. I haven't bought a Square game since Final Fantasy IX.

The series left my generation behind at FFX. Thankfully Dragon Quest hasn't gone off the fucking rails. And don't give me this shit about Bravely Default, either.

BD is shit. It's a withered husk trying to imitate great turn-based jrpgs of the past. Fuck that game. Square tried and failed to transition into making movies, but they still fancy themselves deep, riveting writers.

Their audience is angsty teenagers and people with no life experience. Of course they'll happily eat up whatever Square shits out in front of them.

>>375627426
The combat is antiquated, yes. But when you fold time-testes ATB combat into the materia system and the weapon/armor equip system, you've got a fucking dynamic and fun game.

I'm so fucking mad, why is the game being full 3D.

I want my pre-rendered background maps instead.

>>375626089
You mean it's an action strategy game. FF has never been an RPG.

>>375628036
I'd love to see more studios revisit the pre-rendered style. That shit from decades ago still looks solid. Some nice HD pre-rendered games will look gorgeous.

>>375628036

Then play the fucking original idiot.

http://gematsu.com/2017/03/final-fantasy-vii-remake-battles-action-based-cover-optional
http://gematsu.com/2017/02/final-fantasy-vii-remake-producer-yoshinori-kitase-talks-progress-weekly-famitsu

>What is the possibility of Final Fantasy XV-like downloadable content and smartphone content?

Kitase: “I would like to use [Final Fantasy XV] as a point of reference. While I would like to take measures such as doing live streams to interact with users, with this episode system I think we’ll be using all of our energy on reaching the end of the original game, so I don’t really know whether or not we’ll be able to do things between episodes and other titles.”

>Regarding battles..

Kitase: “We’ve solidified the base [of the battle system]. Tetsuya Nomura, of course, and Mitsunori Takahashi, who took part in Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy, are putting all of their effort into it.”


>Regarding Materia and other systems…

Kitase: “There are a lot of things I still can’t say, but we’re not going to remove the things that were popular in Final Fantasy VII.”


Nomura talking:

>“Battles are not command-based, they’re action-based. Regarding cover actions, there are places where they can be done on the map, but they are not required. Because it’s seamless, I showed that there can be actions in response to various scenes.

>“The Guard Scorpion battle has map destruction and a great number of attacks that weren’t in the original, so it has become a significantly flashy battle. If you look closely, I think that you can see that there are a number of missiles are coming down.”

>>375628151
FFVIIr, the best cover-shooter of 2020.

>>375628108
Confirmed for not playing any FF games.

Final Fantasy hasn't made a good game since 2001, why do we still talk about the series?

>>375628291
Nah anon, they only played Dirge of Cerberus.

>>375626364
Yeah I hope it's not as shit as XV. If it's more like KH but with more weight behind the attacks and doesn't devolve into air combos then I'm fine with it being action "rpg".

>>375628151
>Mitsunori Takahashi
ff7remake is kh system, for battles, with character switching confirmed.

>>375628151
>>“Battles are not command-based, they’re action-based
Our fucking guy, BTFOing nostalgiafags like no other. Godmura

>>375628321
Because gamers with no perspective or respect for themselves, their money, or quality absolutely love this shit.

They think it is deep and important.

>>375628321
XV sold 6 millions copies.

No problem with this, I don't think you could really do a full remake with the same combat. Would be a little jarring.

They are going to fuck up everything after Midgar though.

>>375628291
>no character creator
>no dialog trees
>no permanent decisions that alter the story into multiple branching paths
>all this amounts to zero capacity to play the role you want to play
Where's the roleplaying?

>>375628374
>with character switching confirmed.
That was confirmed in the dec trailer years ago

>>375628492
Do you even mean what "RPG" means?

>>375628448

shipped

>>375628492
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game

>>375628151
Damn, this sounds fucking good. Hope they deliver.

>>375628589
RPGs are where you play a character role of your choosing. I see no such choice in any FF.

If only it had final fantasy tactics like battle system.

>>375627202
> since it will probably be focused on the japanese market
Why would you think that? Japanese developers and Square in particular are taking the international market into greater account

>>375628694
>Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]
I don't see that in FF games.

>>375628637
Moron you still got it wrong.

The correct response to >>375628448 is that sales don't equate to quality. It's well known that most gamers will buy trash because they don't have an appreciation for the art.

Final Fantasy will continue to sell like gangbusters, despite being shit-tier quality for over a decade.

>>375628752
What you wrote don't make any sense.

>>375628817
Probably because you have autism.

>remaking 7
>episodic
>real time combat

How is this even going to work? How do you do an episodic release of a long rpg? How long is this project planned out for? Seems to me like they're going to be massively cutting things out.

>>375628817
You play as a fictional character fukin retard.

>>375628878
>the game told me I was responsible for things so I was!
And I'm the one with autism.

>>375628142
NOOOOOO REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>375628492
>>375628817
the face of autism

>>375628890
If anything that gives them to add more shit then they need to.

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>>375628890
>How do you do an episodic release of a long rpg
3
The original game had 3 CDs , did you know that?

>>375628714
no it means you play the role of a character you dumbtard

Good. Fuck turn-based

>>375629040
Yeah. Instead of putting all their eggs in one basket with one release, they'll release it in episodes so they can play damage control when they inevitably fuck shit up in Episode 1.

Remember Sonic 4? Same shit.

>>375628752
FFTA3 when?

>>375627848
How did video games hurt you this bad.

>>375629141
Wrong. Nearly every game would be an RPG then, but we don't refer to every game as an RPG.

>>375629180
Yeah a side game from a third party developer is comparable to a full scale remake from the studio's main staff

>>375629287
Absolutely. This is Square we're talking about here.

>>375627119
Nah son, I didn't buy XV and if the combat ends up being as shitty as XV's then I ain't touching it.

>>375629254
Never, Most of the staff is working for FFXIV.

>>375629282
Why did you choose this thread to sperg out about this? Everyone refers to games with predefined characters like FF as RPGs.

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I hope it plays like dark souls, that would be really interesting. It could work, but elements of NIOH, BB, and DS3 would need to be merged.

>>375627848
honestly 10 was cool too. after that I dropped the series though. 10 was definitely better than 2, and I personally think it was better than 1 as well

>>375629396
>>375628151

>>375629261
nobody is hurt he's just giving an opinion with rude words

>>375626605
A well designed ARPG combat system accomplishes the exact same thing except better and more interactively.

If all the characters have good mechanics and they implement the materia system well then it'll be way better than turn based. Can't wait to punch and suplex shit with Tifa

>>375629396
Slow shit with no aerial combat?

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>>375629261
It's nothing in particular. It's just what happens when you've had a particular hobby for a couple decades.

A new generation will come in and try to add their own spin to it, tastes will change, and some people get left behind.

I see the pursuit of money over the quality of the product as an existential crisis for my hobby. Sure, it's selling units now, but it's all built on a house of cards. Too many of these companies are resorting to a formulaic approach that will ultimately lead to a crash.

I'm just a student of history and worried about the continuance of good game developers.

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I would have preferred if they had kept some of the original anime style in which FF7 was made. But oh well, I can settle for a cinematic experience.

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>unironically wanting turn-based

>>375629575
They could at a jump button, it'd be optional.

>Bloodborne
>Slow
Pick one

I said elements of all 3 and maybe kingdom Hearts.

>>375629604
How is that anime???

>>375629604
FFVII left the anime stye since AC.

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>>375629417
I can agree with the idea that most FF games are better than FF1. It was great at the time, I've played through it many times over the years.

But it's got some glaring issues with its combat and pacing that make it a bit obtuse, especially when you consider Dragon Quest came out a year earlier and was superior is every way.

>>375626089
Good I have FFVII on my PS1 and PC and I go back to it every 3 years, I need something else than a graphical update.

>>375626568
Well if the old remake footage from 2015 was anything to go by, yes, we should be able to play as all the characters. Hopefully Nomura livened up the gameplay with his personal touch like KH, though, instead of XV's shit, even if they're reusing XV animations and such all over the place.

>>375629604
24fps with occasional forays to 30fps?

>>375629683
DRAGON QUEST XI WILL OUTSELL IT AND IT'S A TURN BASED GAME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXlbhVVB7BU
https://www.technobuffalo.com/2017/04/14/dragon-quest-xi-outsell-pokemon-final-fantasy-xv/

>>375629282
Your moronic definition also makes nearly every game an RPG. I can choose to play the role of the pistol maniac in HL2 and never use other weapons unless absolutely necessary. It's suddenly an RPG amirite? That's not how it works. There are RPG elements and once these elements have enough agency over the gameplay, people will consider the game an RPG. FFVII happens to be one of those games people universally call an RPG. Just because some random retard like you on the internet says otherwise will not change this.

It will have Final Fantasy XIII Versus battle system.

>>375629393
I like the attention. Also, any opportunity to talk about RPGs is welcome to me.

>>375629942
This looks amazing

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>>375629768

Gee I don't know. This definitely doesn't look like an anime-esque design to me.

>>375629942
Fuck I've been waiting so long for this game...

>>375629942
Man... I kinda want a Zelda-DQ crossover game.

DQ would be pretty slick with BOTW's open world and climbing shit.

>>375630042
Which was for the most part just KH which is basicly just the commands from turn based with realtime movements. So i don't get why people hate it so much. KH is basicly the perfect way to turn the commands into realtime. You have attack, magic, summon etc.

>>375630174

Eh, I would be upset if FFVII Remake looked like KH.

>>375630026
>I can choose to play the role of the pistol maniac in HL2 and never use other weapons unless absolutely necessary.
That's not a character role in the game, that's headcanon shit unless the game provides feedback to you which acknowledges your choice.

>>375630174
not at all. Maybe you are watching too much anime and think everything is an anime?

>>375630316

Most people don't actually play KH anon.

>>375630485
Yeah, i forgot most people here just hate things

>>375630429
You nugamers need to develop an imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SQhfkpX9bc

>>375628151
>liked FF7's ATB and materia system
>but also like Nomuras gameplay

Cautiously optimistic. Nomura has never let me down.

>>375630623
Half Life was an immersive sim, not an RPG. They are closely tied but not the same thing.

>>375630724

>an immesrive sim

No the fuck it wasn't.

>>375630627
*cough* ff13versus to *cough* *cough* ff15 *cough* *cough**cough* KH3 *cough* never ever *cough* *cough* KH 2.8 *cough* *cough* blattant cachgrab *cough*

>>375630627

I just hope they don't fuck up Shinra HQ.

Probably my favorite "dungeon" in any JRPG.

I don't mind episodic shit if they make Shinra HQ as amazing as possible.

>>375630429
The game has a pistol so it implicitly has the character role of a pistol maniac. I like how you move the goalposts though. So if at the very end HL2 gave your dumb ass an achievement called "Pistol Maniac - More than 90% of the shots you fired were from a pistol," and maybe even make the G-Man say "Boy, you sure like your pistols" at some point, it would be an RPG to you, correct? The game acknowledges your choice and gives you feedback after all. This fucking generation...

>>375630838
You might want to get that cough and autism checked out

>>375630901
Shinra HQ will probably be the finale of Part I, so it should be pretty awesome. I doubt we're going to be allowed outside of Midgar by the end.

>>375630964
No anon, anon was imitating a cough, it wasn't real. They're okay.

>>375631026

I actually don't mind this, Midgar is my favorite part of the game.

If the remake gives us more Midgar I would be just fine.

>>375627381
>Why FF6
Is this your first final fantasy thread?
FF6 was last 'classic" FF titleatleast in minds of faggot hipsters so contrarians who hated FF7 popularity latched on an opinion that FF6 is an underrated masterpiece and FF7 is shit game for kids with no taste.

>>375631145
If they're smart, they will do this. Midgar is such a huge place but within a well-defined boundary. At the very least it will give them practice for building the rest of the world.

>>375629942
That's not really fair. Dragon Quest literally had an unspoken holiday rule in Japan where a new game release would have workplaces give a day off to the workers due to how popular a franchise it is, and Final Fantasy and Pokemon have been waning over the years in Japan.

DQ sales numbers don't usually meet anywhere near that number in the west I think, but I may be dead wrong.

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>>375631193


FFVI and VII are actually really similar to each other.

I don't know why there is a war between them.

>>375627381
Because FFVI was the best that "old" Final Fantasy had to offer and is a top game in the series. So far it's the only classic FF game that hasn't had a respectable remake.

>>375631193
In another thread, they said it was FF5, in another one they said it was FF4, and in another one they said it was FF9.

>>375630798
Nigga sure it was. Immersive sim / FPS. Deus Ex was the RPG.

>>375631331
>FFVI and VII are actually really similar to each other.
No, they are pretty opposite and don't have the same setting alone. Who is even the main character of FFVI?

>>375631026
They had better make MIdgar fucking enormous if that's the case. I'd assume disc one would end with getting out of MIdgar and starting the hunt for Sephiroth.

I just don't understand how they're gonna split up the rest of the games in the other discs.

>>375631518

Deus Ex was an immersive sim.

Half Life is just a cinematic shooter.

>>375631331
It is because most of the things people enjoy about FFVII were ripped wholesale from FFVI and then given a dose of steroids.

FFVI was a bit more subtle than FFVII.

http://socksmakepeoplesexy.net/index.php?a=ff06

http://socksmakepeoplesexy.net/index.php?a=ff07

>>375627054
those games came out 3 years after ff7 anon.

How many episodes are people realistically expecting?

>>375630946
>The game has a pistol so it implicitly has the character role of a pistol maniac.
Not unless the game provides feedback to you which acknowledges that choice. Say, if you were playing a wanted felon and because you used pistols the most, wanted posters appeared that showed you wielding pistols with some nickname based on that. That would be a light form of roleplaying I could acknowledge. Achievements are external to the game, that's not proper feedback for the role you play at all. You know better than to argue dumb shit like this.

>>375626605
>underage retarded faggot ass fucks like this that don't even play videogames are the reason XV is dogshit

just fuck my franchise up

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>>375628448
So it did worse than a fucking FFXIII?

>>375630724
>>375630798
>>375631518
>>375631621
>immersive sim

Stop saying this. This term is bullshit. It doesn't mean anything.

>>375631830
Where is FFXV? It sold 6 million

>>375631709
same generation, so it counts

>>375631737
The statements and theorizing last year generally came to an expanded Midgar coming in as a whole first episode probably. It really depends on how much they trim or how much they expand.
4 would be an optimistic route to follow the disks, but if they're going wholesale world map, every locale and sidequest and then some to tie in better with the surrounding expanded universe, then there's probably a lot more than that.

>>375631701

>more subtle

No, it's a fucking SNES game. It didn't have subtlety.

>>375631937
Don't care if bait, this is wrong.

Three years is plenty of time to improve upon what your competition has done.

>>375629130
Sad thing fanboys would actually buy all of this.

>>375631937

No it doesn't.

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>>375627848
6 is well overrated. 8 is flawed but still good. 10 is also good and better than the majority of other FFs. Otherwise accurate.

>>375631840
What do you call games that place an emphasis on realistic immersion, i.e. an emphasis on not being games, then?

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>>375631998
Fuck, did summer start early this year?

>>375631331
You can't just like multiple FF games in a FF thread, it's impossible for them to understand

>>375632109
I call them movies.

>>375627197
People want at least one old-style FF with modern graphics. FFX is the closest we have but it doesnt have a world map or controllable airship.

I'm currently playing my first FF that is FF4 psp version and aside from annoying random encounters it's pretty good, especially for the story, should i give 1-2-3 a try?, also i've heard that 5 isn't worth playing, and i should skip to 6, i don't care about game mechanics that much, wat do i do?

>>375629780
>Dragon Quest came out a year earlier and was superior is every way.
No, i played FF1 several times, i couldn't finish DQ1 it was too boring.
Only DQ that i finished was 8.

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>>375626089
OK?

>>375632306
Play remakes of 1 and 2. Especially with FF1, the original release features some oversights that were subsequently fixed as the developers got feedback and more skill.

3 is good times, and you should definitely play 5. It has an excellent job system.

>>375632264
Lost Odyssey?

>>375626861
>linking to nintendogaf
you have to go back nigger

>>375632220
That's far less faithful than "immersive sim" though, because they are still interactive. So something like Deus Ex is a movie to you?

>>375630174
She has nose = not anime

>>375632306
>also i've heard that 5 isn't worth playing, and i should skip to 6
Whoever said that probably had a few extra chromosomes, but:

>i don't care about game mechanics that much
Yeah you can probably skip 5 in that case. You don't play it for the story. It's fine but really simplistic.

>>375631787
>Not unless the game provides feedback to you which acknowledges that choice.
But in the example it gives you an achievement for playing that role and an NPC gives a remark on it. That is acknowledgement and feedback.

>Achievements are external to the game
Then why do I see them pop up in-game? Oh, because the devs integrated it and it's not external. You can put your achievements on display outside of the game but they're very much part of it. And even if you disregard the achievement, an NPC also gives you feedback and acknowledges your role of choice so your stance on achievements is quite irrelevant in this case.

So by your very special logic, Half-Life 2 would be an RPG, even though absolutely nothing would change in its gameplay and narrative.

>>375630316
What KH you mean?
I played 1 and 2 and it was action crap.

I'm glad they are going for an action orientated game. I loved dissidia.

I'm just curious about the music. I guess that'll be one of the last things they work on.

>>375632656
>with realtime movement
Learn to read. You select a command your character does it, just like in turn based games.
>action crap
Sorry i forgot how amazing the combat system from older FF games is, most of the time it was just an excuse because otherwise they couldn't pull off the graphics at the time

>>375632540
FFT is anime?

>>375626568
>FFVII did not have a particularly great combat system

Just fuck off.

>>375631448
Yea but FF6 vs FF7 is biggest and most long running flame war.

>>375632571
>Then why do I see them pop up in-game?
lol. Oh shit, I see a popup for a message from my friend on PSN, I guess my friend and PSN is part of the game too! Holy shit, every game is actually about roleplaying a PS4 owner who is playing a game!

They are not part of the game. Just like how the pause menu is not really part of the game. You should not be treating these things that way.

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>>375632538

>>375629417
this.
I dropped it at 12. Didn't even finish it.

7,8,9,10 will always be the best ones.

>>375627119
No, I'm going to emulate VII one more time and then pretend Square Enix is dead like they deserve to be

>>375632774
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOfSPKzXg3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxN5x5SVhr8
If they shit out stuff like this for the remake I'm going full djihad on SE's headquarters.

>>375632823
The Command Menu of Kingdom Hearts is really just part of its homage to Final Fantasy. Half the series has traded in the command menu for independent attacks and some other system instead, but altogether Kingdom Hearts is still entirely action-based except for when re:Coded gets all weird.

>>375632880

What?

It fucking didn't. The materia system is not the combat system.

Just because you figured out how to exploit a game doesn't mean that game has great combat.

>>375631261
>dragon quest will outsell this game
>that's not fair, dragon quest is popular!
what?

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>>375632540
In 1997 anime had nose, anon.

>>375632927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtfWcqEZY1Y

>>375632975
>calls immersive sims just movies
>get asked if Deus Ex is just a movie then
>devolve to "it's bait" response
????

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>>375631562
>Who is even the main character of FFVI?
Terra, Locke and Celes

>>375632981
6,7,8,9,10

>>375632927
Uh... no, that'd be Mario vs. Sonic.

everything is an action rpg these days

have you guys ever noticed how meaningless the term has become

>>375633154
5,6,7,8,9,10

>>375633095
I mean, it's not really a fair competition in sales numbers in at least one region of the world.
DQ dominates in Japan, a region where the other two series are dropping off slowly but surely.

>>375633251
5,6,7,8,9,10,11

>>375626089
Thank you lord god, Japs finally realized that Real time is superior to TB. I will annihilate anyone in this thread who argues otherwise. You won't win.

>>375632346
that's because you're a pleb
>>375629780
yeah dragon quest is my favorite. even the spin-offs are insanely good. I love the monsters games

>>375633312
5,6,7,8,9,12,11

>>375633251
>>375633312
>10
>good

>>375633312
3,5,6,7,8,9,11

>>375633319
Active time is better because I said so, suck my dick

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>>375633393
FFX was far from perfect, but it's an enjoyable ride for me at least, so i'd consider it good. More playable for me than VIII ever was.

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>>375633146

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>>375633489
>Active time

>>375633621
>smug anime girl

Damn, you're right, I DID get annihilated.

>>375629417
>>375632103

10 is a fucking straight-line simulator, it's really bad in that respect. But the combat system is nice.

>>375631882
Sales weren't confirmed yet when i made that sceenshot.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Square-Enix_games

>>375633757
lol faggot you did get wrecked

>>375633264
yeah, because they like it better.

>>375633791
As opposed to open world masterpieces like XV?

>>375633791
>10
>good combat system

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>>375633757
>Doesn't present an argument
>"Hurr durr why won't you debate me"

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>>375633852

>>375633319
>Japs
>thinking real time is better than turn based

Dragon Quest is still turn based you faggot. Nomura just has a hardon for Kingdom Hearts

>>375632935
The friend message has nothing to do with the devs' intentions, it's part of the platform it's on. The achievement on the other, is very much dependent on their intentions. It's there because the devs chose to give you achievements, and chose to program their game to trigger an achievement for the specific milestone you just reached. So it's really a part of the game, it's there to give you an acknowledgment for something. And menus are really a part of the game too. But it's good you conceded the rest of your argument. Maybe there's some hope for you yet.

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>>375633852
>masterpieces like XV

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>>375633757
That was uncalled for, he started with his strongest argument.

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>>375633852
>open world masterpieces like
Xenoblade X?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH5Y7HIITT8

>>375634039
As an aside, the internet got a fuckton less fun when fallacyfags appeared.

>>375629942
I'm hoping the theory of him being related to dragonlord is true. that logo does have the purple dragon holding an orb

>>375633936
debating atb vs real time is worse than gouging your eyes out, especially when both sides are complete faggots.

>>375634141
I hope that big tit bitch gets mind controlled for part of the game. I need that r34.

>>375629764
Bloodborne is fucking slow, NIOH is actually fast however.

>>375629768
anime didn't used to be moeshit you know

>>375633757
GET DOUBLE FUCKED YOU WHINY NIGGER HAHAHA

>>375628802
they have been, but there's so much evidence now that riding the international band wagon is such a fucking bumpy ride that it's in their best interest to take a step back and just consider the more traditional fanbase first.

>>375634129
Agreed, people who use fallacies should be gassed

>>375634235
My main point still stands.

>>375626089
I just hope it isnt open world

Good

>>375626089
>implying the original wouldn't have been action based if they could get the battles to run at more than 15 fps

>tfw the only FFs I beat are 1, 2 and 8

>>375631562
unofficially terra is the main character, but there isn't really one. which reminds me, I like 6 better than 7 because I don't care about any of 7's playable characters

Is XV-kun still alive or did he already killed himself?

>>375633968
Are you enjoying this dumb pussyfoot game of semantics you're playing?

I'd be happy with the turn based if its like KHs where its actually fun to play and not just boring hitting the same button over and over.

Also I want to control more than just cloud if we're forced to do action shit

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>>375631998
>No, it's a fucking SNES game. It didn't have subtlety.

>>375631261
>>375631830

>>375631830
FFXIII only sold 4.95 on PS3.

>>375634748
I honestly didnt like 8, it was shit in many aspects, 7 and 9 were much better

Good, I'm glad they are trying to update the game called with all the modern flares that people would expect instead of wallowing in nostalgia like the fags that played the game when they were kids.

>>375632306
whoever said 5 isn't worth playing is literally retarded. it's like a better version of 3

>>375634385
I mean, if I had my way I'd probably gas most people. I'd start with the slants.

>>375634997
The remake itself is a nostalgia bait.

>>375634761
It's funny because you're the one who went full semantics on what RPG does and doesn't mean. Yeah, I do enjoy beating you at your own game and I have some free time now. Do you enjoy it?

>>375632306
1 and 3 have less of a story than 5 honestly. 5 has a meh story. I liked 6's story because I like the characters.

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>>375626089

Just remember guys, Tabata isn't involved in the FF7 remake, the big three from the original are.

I'm a little indifferent to the game being action rpg but the fact that Nomura, Kitase and Nojima are heading the game makes me much more at ease.

It should be in good hands.

>>375634758
He's still alive. There's nothing really left to talk about, so xv threads aren't as common. He's the only thing keeping xv threads from dying at 50 posts now

>>375634748
>actually beating 2
Did you fully maxed stats and magic?:^)

>>375632306
>psp
Play FFT the war of the lions.

>>375634809
Why do you need to control all of the characters like an autistic spaz? Why not let the AI support you and give you the feel like your working with the characters in the world instead of you slowing the pacing down trying to police every attack and skill they use?

>>375635247
You misunderstand what i'm saying. I want to be able to play as any of the characters with the two i'm not playing as being controlled by the AI of course

>>375632981
my favorites are 3, 4, 5, and 6. I would probably like 7 better than 3-5 if I had played it when i was young. 3 was my first so i have a soft spot for it

>>375635247

Your argument doesn't matter because your party members are confirmed playable anyway.

At least Barret is.

>>375634934
It had lots of really great production values though

>>375634758
yes, he appears everytime someone claims a game to be the best FF/JRPG ever, at which point he starts shitposting in the thread

>>375635069
But gameplay wise, they are marketing it to those that like action based strategy. Turned based is too slow and boring for these kinds of stories. If you have the ability, why not make it action?

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>>375634752
>because I don't care about any of 7's playable characters
Fag

>>375635230
Yeah, it was a fucking grindfest. Beat every optional boss, tho.

Started with FF3, but got sidetracked and now I want to beat every game from the DQ franchise.

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>>375635349
Yeah anon, there's a few autists in this thread right now so expect misunderstandings of simple concepts and arguments over semantics.

Is it bait if they don't know they're doing it?

>>375635429
>Turned based is too slow and boring for these kinds of stories.
do you have ADHD?

>>375633989
no shit, he was making a joke you dense retard

>>375635489
Oh man... you should stagger your games then because it is gonna take a while.

Do a FF then a DQ and rinse and repeat.

>>375635085
Ironic considering that the definition provided to me earlier on Wikipedia backs what I'm saying and not you.

>>375628694

That first paragraph, right there, disqualifies all FF games. There is no "process of structured decision-making" or role actions succeeding or failing "according to a formal system of rules and guidelines" and there is no taking responsibility for acting out your role as a result. You can't be responsible for something which you have zero control over. I am not roleplaying as the main character of a movie just by watching it, and that's all that's really happening here in these games when it comes to the character role.

Trying to argue that combat applies here is a joke. Every single game is an RPG then, which is a bastardization of the original concept (which starts with tabletop games).

>>375626089
Well I'm glad I still have my ps1 copy.

>>375635516
to be fair he did say KH was turn based

>>375634221
yeah she looks like waifu material, but the blonde healer does too. tits or blonde hair, it's a hard choice for me.

Turn based RPGs aren't fun without action commands.

>>375635247
>>375635349
AI sucks. Only time AI companions were actually useful in jrpg for me was FFXII thanks to gambits.

>>375635650
Wikipedia, the same website that explicitly calls Final Fantasy VII a role-playing game? Yeah, ironic indeed.

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>>375635718
And there's a loli too!

>>375635442
well ok I love tifa's titties, but that is really it.

Anyone whose played tabletop knows that videogame ""RPGS"" are a fucking joke.

They're just action/tactical games with stats, the closet you get to a legit RPG is roguelikes or stuff like Mount & Blade

>>375635701
I meant to say lack of turn based
>>375635801
Which is why i want to be able to play as characters other than Cloud. I want to play as my nigger Barret and Red

>>375631193
While FF6 IS superior to FF7

FF9 is the underrated masterpiece and the ACTUAL "Last classic FF"

>>375634761
haha imagine a girl with a pussy on her foot. I wonder what it would smell like haha

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>has an ATB bar in screenshots
>is an action game

>>375635972
Correct.

>>375635930

>Can actually see part of her right eye from that angle

Nomura is actually a damn good artist.

>>375635576
Do you have Alzheimer's? I don't want to have the game halted by a fucking artificial hold due to it being my "turn". I want to have continuous gameplay that is seamlessly woven into the world

>>375635516
>bernie sanders reaction image
how can you sleep at night knowing there is a gross old person on your hard-drive?

>>375632880
>>FFVII did not have a particularly great combat system
>Just fuck off.
Anon, I loved FF1 through FF9 that all played off of the original battle system (I didn't finish 2, admittedly). It was fine for its era, but it was never a particularly great combat system. They realized old-school wasn't working even when they modified it for ATB.

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Tifa is perfection

>>375635930
I guess the animators never got the memo, because some shots of her in-game have her sporting tits waaaay larger than indicated in this picture. Or maybe Shinra invented super push up bras or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBx6mAWYPU

>>375636017
cute skink

>>375636219
The same way your mother sleeps at night knowing there's a gross virgin living in her basement

>>375636104
>I don't want to have the game halted by a fucking artificial hold due to it being my "turn"
good thing FF uses ATB instead

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>>375636219
heh heh nice try FBI I'm not telling you what else is on here

>>375636017
ATB is poor mans action rpg. Either make it action rpg or stick to CTB

>>375636372
jokes on you, I sleep upstairs. we don't even have a basement, nerd

>>375636514
That's just objectively wrong and demonstrates a lack of understanding about how progress and innovation work.

I bet you also play in "wait" mode.

>>375626598
QTEs

>>375636327
She looked pretty normal ingame, escpecially the battle model. Just in some FMVs she suddenly has super huge tits

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>>375636728
I want this to happen just to see the ensuing shitshow.

>>375628492
Just because you're not playing your own personal mary sue donut steel, doesn't mean it's not roleplaying.

>>375626598
KH2 did crazy fights alright
>>375636728
So like the original game against Sephiroth? Nice

You guys will hate this game no matter what anyway

>>375636774
Yeah, the one I'm thinking of specifically is when the WEAPONs wake up. Someone spent a lot of time on that Tifa shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF68o9PpC_s

>>375636592
I tend to play action rpgs and avoid atb as much as possible so no wait modes for me. ATB is simply a transitional period from CTB to action rpg style battle. There is simply no reason to use it in this day and age

>>375636907
>So like the original game against Sephiroth?

Oh man what a reach. hahahahahah

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>>375633148
>Sora
>Not cool
Half Xehanort please go.

>>375626605
>>375629156
>>375629809
>>375634565
>>375634997

>Good,

I've noticed that each time turn based vs action based combat is discussed in these threads there are always sentences starting with 'Good,' followed by condescending verbal assaults at the opposing view. Stop it.

>>375637170

>Sora
>cool

No.

>>375635819
Wikipedia is not a credible source, though the citations can be. I see no citation or good reason on the FF page for calling it an RPG, but there are two university professors behind that definition each who studied tabletop gaming and the creative minds surrounding the activity for years and wrote books on the activity.

Quotes from those sources:

>As suggested by the name, TRPGs are played face-to-face (around a table, most likely), and involve players 'acting out' a role. This acting is not always literal. Players do not arrive in costume or speak exclusively in-character — something that differentiates TRPGs from live-action role-playing games (LARPs). Instead, players develop characters based on certain rules and are responsible for deciding what those characters do over the course of the game.

>The variety of role playing games makes it inherently challenging to provide a common definition. However, all forms of role playing games – be they PnP RPGs, CRPGs, MMORPGs or LARPS - share a group of characteristics, which makes them identifiable from other types of games: storytelling with rules, control of fictional characters, a fictitious reality, usually the presence of a game master (or game engine), and at least one player.

If you aren't an idiot that needs these types of sources though, and you can digest critical theory through your own understanding and experience, then here is the ultimate critical theory on this entire debate:

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_role-playing_games/

>>375637170
retarded, I will never understand teenagers or even grown men playing KH

>>375631562
Grasping at straws here, anon. Literally the only thing people can find to complain about is that there isn't a single main character.

You do know that you can have more than one focus on a story, right? And that people form friendships and groups? And that the group itself can be the driving force behind the events of the protagonists?

What am I saying, of course you don't know this.

>>375637170
Guy with eyepatch in your webm is cool, Riku is cool, Sora is not.

>>375637398
>Retarded, I will never understand teenagers or even grown men playing video games
This is how you sound grandpa.

>>375637745
I am younger than you though

>>375637391
I like how you ditched your own argument and are still desperate so you use other people's instead. But in the end, all it proves is that FFVII is an RPG, like how people universally consider it to be one. After all, it has everything that you commonly find across RPGs in various forms: storytelling with rules, control of fictional characters, a fictitious reality, the presence of a game master (or game engine), and at least one player.

There we go, FFVII confirmed RPG. Very nice, good job.

>>375637329
You quoted me, but I didn't assault ATB, I'm the one who said that I'm already have FFVII, I have no problem with Turn based games, recently I played Persona 5 and Fairy Fencer F.
I would have no problem with a new "atb style" FF, I played World of FF just before FF XV just fine, my point of view is :

>"FF7r is not a new game, the story is know, we know exactly what happen in the game, so I need something new".

And the gameplay can fit the bill.

>>375636951
>mix two things together
>get new thing
>you can't ever use new thing! there's no reason to use it!

>>375638124
They are changin' the story as well.

>>375638597
Bullshit. Post the fucking source of your claim.

What if by teaching Aerith her lvl4 limit it can set in motion tiny events that ultimately allow you to resurrect her.

>>375638682
https://gamerant.com/final-fantasy-7-remake-changes-e3-122/

>>375638820

If you resurrect her the planet is doomed.

Then again if they did give you a bad ending for reviving her that would be amazing

>>375638834
Are you fucking kidding me?

Here comes the fucking Cloud/Tifa vs Cloud/Aerith ship war revival.

>>375638834
Extending the story =/= Changing the story.

>>375638834
fucking Nomura is such a faggot

>dated game system
>meanwhile dragon quest is still doing great

>>375638207
in theory yes, but in practise mixing two together often results in shit product with all the cons and none of the pros of the originals.

>>375639008
>making a path longer =/= changing the path

>>375639081
Dated doesn't mean unpopular.

>>375639081

In Japan, and nowhere else.

Fuck off weeaboo.

>>375626089
If the gameplay is anything like kh3 than it looks pretty good desu.

Same engine
Same director
Same company,But different team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOIunBRqvfo

Summons looks pretty good same with special moves, id assume they can do the same thing since same engine and both staff benefit from each other since they are working under the same division but in two different teams

>>375639081
DQ is boring shit

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>>375639171

>>375639216
>KH3
>announced 5 years ago
>only 8 minutes of game trailers so far

>>375639525
And a demo

>>375639869
A demo? KH 2.8?

>>375639960
Yes, 0.2 is the demo

Good, turn-based RPGs fucking suck.
"I'm just going to stand here and get hit by this punch some retarded goblin threw out"
Fucking stupid

>>375640062
"hey guys, i'm just going to stand here and smash X like a retard until the QTEs where i will have to smash O"

>>375640062
>>375637329

Here is another one!

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Why can't this shit just be canceled so KH3 can get a proper development cycle without juggling this piece of shit everybody played already?

>>375640748
Who cares about KHIII anyway?

>>375640835
You tell me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73wUQSlEXI8

>>375640876
>200k view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgjO-x8PNfs

>>375640876

People cared about the remake way more, so you can go fuck yourself.

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How will they handle the final scripted battle?

>>375639525
Nomura himself said that it was annoucned way too early. Happens way too often with Square

Gtfomf if you don't know ATB

>>375641658
That's some weird fanart. I get that Cloud is impaling Sephiroth as revenge for Aerith but in that case he shouldn't be drooling, he should be spitting blood. I don't get it.

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>it's a "dev finally hears its fan's cries for a remake after decades and instead of just delievering they decide to go against all that what made the original game's soul" episode

>>375642613

Oh shut the fuck up.

>>375642613
No matter what they do the fans would bitch about something and screech about how the game lost its "soul". Don't even try to pretend otherwise.

>>375642738
Yes but why did they bring in the faggot with it's action rpg fighting system? They have Type-0 for experimental shit like this. After FF15 also being real time based there's literally no need to shove out FF15: FF7 Edition. That's just poor choice mate

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>>375642462
Must be some pixiv thing, artistic license and all

>>375642867

>it has action combat so it's just like FFXV

Fuck off.

hey quick question did this game give anyone else weird fetishes?

>>375643305

No?

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>>375643305
Well now you have to list them off

>>375642867
>After FF15 also being real time based there's literally no need to shove out FF15: FF7 Edition
Hold on, did you really think the real time combat would stop being a thing after XV? Like, you thought being an action RPG would be XV's schtick?
They realized it worked alright for XV and some other games before that so that's what they're doing now. You used the word "experimental" yourself. After a while when they're done "experimenting" they just roll with it. As long as it's fun to play I don't fucking care what the battle system is. Maybe they'll make it challenging while they're at it, it would be a nice change of pace.

If you want to play the same game again just play the original, at least you won't have to complain about how it lost it's "soul", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

>>375626089
I that the ff7 remke?
probably would have picked it up if it was classic turn based.

>>375643305
yes, it gave me a big tit fetish.

>>375626605
I agree

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>playing FF beyond IX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOzM4ClFG1o

X > VI > IX > Shit > The Rest

>>375626089

Sounds good to me

>>375626089
good

>>375646089
>X > VI > IX > Shit > The ones I haven't played

>>375626964
>actual director gives a teaser
>I-IITS JUST A RUMOR GUISE

>>375630838
FF13Versus was taken from him and he wasn't involved in FF15, which was a raped version of his vision. KH2.8 was fun and if 0.2 is anything to go by, KH3 will be fucking amazing

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>Nomura makes Kingdom Hearts
>it's Kingdom Hearts
>Nomura makes Kingdom Hearts II
>it's Kingdom Hearts
>Nomura makes FFXV
>it's Kingdom Hearts
>Nomura makes FFVII:R
>it's Kingdom Hearts
Fuck this rice nigger reeee

>>375645679
you are either an idiot or havent played ffx or both