The great debate

>>375614015
Gameplay
5

Story
5 and 4

Cast
5 and 4

OST
4

>>375614015
this fuck is this opinion

>>375614346
A good one.

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>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3>2

>story
2> 5 > 3 > 4

>cast
2 > 5 > 4 > 3

>ost
3 > 4 > 5 > 2

>>375615227
Almost true until OST

Best track in the series lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeYgJs0Xu8E

What is it with Persona games being filled with cock-thirsty broads. Is it a Japanese thing?

The objective truth

>gameplay
5 > 4 = 3
Only controlling MC is not a valid arguement for 3 because tactics exist and you have to be a fucking retard for MARIN KARIN to actually happen

>story
3 > 4 = 5

>cast muh opinions
3 > 5 >>>> 4

>ost
5 > 3 > 4
Really close but they're all fucking great.

>>375614015
Objectively correct. Good job.

>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3

>story
4 > 3 > 5

>cast
4 > 3 > 5

>ost
4 > 3 > 5

>persona 3 not available as a ps2 classic on ps4
It's like they hate money.

>>375614015
>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3

>story
5 > 4 > 3

>cast
5 > 4 > 3

>OST
3 > 4 > 5

>>375619442
Just emulate P3P or something. It's the superior version. The Answer is shit anyways.

>>375619442
just emulate it

>>375618185
This.

>>375614015
gameplay i agree. story i disagree. 4>5>3
cast i disagree. 5>4>3. ost i strongly fucking disagree as fuck. 5=>4>>3

>>375615227
100% FACT
>OST
so close but so far

Anyone putting 4 above anything in Story or cast needs to get shot

>>375619678
don't start this anon you'll trigger the FES autists who can't imagine the game without seeing their self-insert run around with his hands in his pockets

>>375619678
being able to control your party in the shittiest dungeon in the series isn't much of a plus when the rest of the game suffers for it

5>4>2>3>1

>>375620184
3 is such boring shit i do not understand how anyone likes it that much

>>375620147
Considering how much time you spend in that shitty dungeon, it's very worth it

>>375619917
>anyone putting 4 above anything in Story or cast needs to get shot
More like 5. They barely interact with each other and have none of the charm and chemistry the 3 and 4 cast have. They don't even feel like a cast of true friends. If you took out Makoto and Haru, the plot would barely be affected.

>>375614015
>Gameplay
5 > 4 > 3

>Story
3 > 5 > 4

>Characters
3 > 5 > 4

>OST
3 > 4 > 5

>>375621104
accurate

>>375621104
not accurate

>Gameplay
>5
It has the least actually gameplay out of them all stfu

>>375622374
Stupid post

>>375620793
>If you took out Makoto
Bullshit, after Makoto is introduced the entire plot revolves around her, she's the one who advances it 90% of the time. It's my main complaint with the game, how irrelevant everyone else becomes when she's introduced.

>>375622438
he's right though.

The only part where P5 may not be superior to the others is music because it's highly subjective.
Other than that there's no real debate about P5's objective superiority

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Why do people hate P4 story? Inaba is pretty comfy, and there are a lot of funny moments in the story.

375622837
>objective
Not even good enough for a (you)

>>375622841
Because they obviously made shit up as they want along instead of the story being well constructed and written with a clear goal from the start.

>Persona 3
>Story
I'm never not gonna consider you guys a bunch of gigantic nostalgia fags.
It's the worst paced, most disjointed, and melodramatic of them all.
>But the character development is in the main story!
Yah. In the most hamfisted and sudden way.
>But it's less goofy
Did you just ignore the dog, the robot, the mysterious new classmate, the Team Rocket trio that due to leveling, is a complete joke and isn't characterized as anything but plot devices for other characters?
>But SEES was more professional!
They LITERALLY did not know what they were doing.

>>375623119
You need to be over 18 to post here.

>>375622841
It had good start but it went to shit after first dungeon and only picked up near the end.

>>375623217
Then why are you still here?

>>375622630
If you took her out of the Kaneshiro arc nothing would change. Joker and Mona where already are their way on getting information on Kaneshiro and Morgana was already the team leader who made up the plan for the heists and activities. Him and Joker were the ones to find out that Goro was the traitor first after all.

>>375623217

Nah P3 story was shit and all I ever hear about it is "b-but the last part of the game totally made up for it!". Yeah that ain't redemptive enough for a fucking game.

I downloaded P3FES, and it lets me choose between Remix and original bgm music, which one do I choose?

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>>375614015

>>375623569
Yes, you could easily rewrite the story to not have Makoto become the main character, but the fact is that when she's introduced, she drives the plot the majority of the time.

>>375623652
>"""Critics"""

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>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3

>story
4 > 5 > 3

>cast
4 > 5 > 3

>ost
5 > 3 > 4

>>375614015
>>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3
It's almost pointless to say this, but of course.

>>story
3 > 5 > 4

>>cast
5 > 3 > 4
Unfortunately the milking of 4 made the cast increasingly unlikable to the point that I literally can't recall why I liked any of them at all in the first place. It's that bad.

>>ost
3 > 5 > 4

>>375622841
The story in P4 is really weak and clearly wasn't the main focus of the game
When talking about P4 what most people remember is the characters and events, not the overall storyline which nothing but a typical whodunit mixed with Diamond is Unbreakable shenanigans
I'm not saying that it's bad in itself, given the reaction from P5 some people wanted less plot and more character interaction

>>375622841
I'm not sure, either. I thought it was almost perfect. The themes are a lot smaller than P3 and P5, but that just means there's less ANIME BULLSHIT aside from all the SLICE OF LIFE BULLSHIT, which is fairly enjoyable regardless.

Persona 3 especially had a fucking woeful story. I don't give a fuck, /v/ can get fucked for dick-riding P3 so fucking hard.

>>375614015
P5 wins gameplay by a long shot. Hard to compare that to previous games when the development team is constantly making improvements to both the battle system and VN elements.

Can't really comment on P5 (only up to defeating Madarame), but P2:EP still has the most interesting story. P3 was also very well done, the sense of "The End of Days" was very palpable in the final month. P4 had the problem of extending one mystery for far too long, with the true ending just being downright awful.

P3's cast really shines when playing as the FeMC. I would say P3P>P2>P4>P3. Though P5's cast is really growing on me. Morgana is just cute. CUTE.

P3 still has my favorite OST hands down, but each game has their ups and downs. Can't say I remember P2:EP's OST all too well, but I can't imagine its aged too well. So far, nothing in P5 has stood out aside from rainy after school song. And just for you listening pleasure, here are some GOAT tracks from each one I've played:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18E-1x3e-Jk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dilI_gy2KdI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybaVWcH_zBQ

>>375623582
Plus I don't get what "last part" they're talking about
Nyx Avatar has 10/10 atmosphere and music but the actual fight is a complete bother with the final part being pure RNG if you get fucked or not.
While December is the most boring month of them all.

>>375623119
Thank you for this post. P3 really was the most generic weebshit garbage out of all three. I have no idea why 4 gets lumped with that title.

>>375622809
He's wrong. Honestly I think it's the best SMT yet in terms of gameplay. The battles move faster while still possessing the classic SMT strategic play, but apart from that we have actual not boring dungeons with puzzles and shit, and a social system that actually feels like it legitimately feeds into the battle half of the game rather than just being there to get fusion bonuses.

>>375614015
>cast
2 > 3 >> 5 > 4
2 and 3 have one big advantage over cast of 4 and 5. Most of the party members don't have a social link, and in case of 2 none don't. This might seem like a negative at first, but it means that characters actually develop in the story, and you don't get disconnect of them developing through social links only for them to act same through the story.
I do appreciate that they give party members their own mini-stories with the social links, but they rely on them way too fucking much.

>>375622841
I'll be honest in that I have retroactive loathing toward P4 because of every single P4 spinoff.

I did like it when I played it, but I have much fonder memories of P3.

>>375624086
That's precisely what I loved about P4, though. So many RPGs try to tackle convoluted, angst-ridden themes and it comes off as corny as fuck. P4 was angsty, but it was a lot more believable. The cast were a lot tighter, everything fit so perfectly with the small, quiet setting.

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>>375614015
>cast
>4>3
Discarded

>>375624204
>Morgana is cute

Do you play with the Japanese dub on by chance?

>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3

>story
5 > 3 > 4

>cast
3 > 5 > 4

>ost
3 = 4 = 5

>>375623119
I honestly just liked the vibe it had going on and generally enjoyed everything that happened. I also really enjoyed the main character. As a story it's simple and straightforward but I still liked it a lot.

>>375614015
>gameplay
5>4>3

>story
3>5>4

>cast
4>5>3

>ost
3>5>4

ONLY CORRECT OPINION

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>>375614015
So much wrong with that.

But I will only bother to waste my time arguing the story point. P3's presentation/execution of the story is mediocre, so even if you think it has the best plot on paper, the execution of it is weak (as well as the worst pacing). The package as a whole isn't impressive is what I'm trying to say.

The animated cutscenes also didn't age well at all and are pretty cingry. They have a VERY strong mid 2000's anime edgy and "criptic" editing, which ends up being style-over-substance in a bad way (it's very clear that's the case when looking the P3P's cutscenes which explain what happens in the animated scenes much better)

>>375624204
In terms of OST P5 doesn't feel like it has "stand outs" as much. The whole thing is very consistent in tone and feels right, but I don't feel the catchy-ness of Signs of Love of BABY BABY BABY.

That said the night theme is so, so fucking chill, and the final boss theme (which, of course, you'll hear later) is actually my favorite so far. It's just so fun, and the lyrics are great.

Speaking of lyrics lots of great lyrics at work in the P5 OST. The battle theme, palace heist theme, and so on are all super appropriate lyric-wise.

>>375616109
I liked Maya's better.

>>375624432
The cast in 4 are much better as a group. While the cast in 3 are much better individually because their character development isn't tied to completely optional social links. Both are better than the disappointment that is 5.

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I don't get people that say 3 was a better story than the others. I like all the games but they were all badly written in their own ways. People pretend 3 was written better because of the more serious tones the story took but it was actually pretty edgy and "SO DEEP", not written any better than any other typical anime for for teenagers. Not saying any of the others were written any better but I hate people that pretend 3 was the epitome of writing. I still haven't played innocent sin or eternal punishment so I'm not sure how good or bad the writing is in 2. 1, 3, 4, and 5 had some bad writing, as fun as they are.

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>>375614015
>gameplay
5 > 3 >4

>story
3 > 5 > 4

>cast
3 > 5 > >>>>>>>4

>ost
>3 > 5 > 4

>>375615227

P2 is two games if you're going to include it in your rankings you need to distinguish both

>>375618185
This tbqh

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3's story is undeniably more complex and interesting than 4 or 5. Only 2 is equal or better in terms of plot.

There's no reason for me to read whatever wall of text some pleb writes about how 3's story sucked because I have no reason to entertain such a shit opinion.

5 is a straight up better game in pretty much every regard. The cast actually extended past the playable characters which was fantastic.

>>375620276

I've played every Persona besides 4 so I can't speak for that game though P3 is great because of the freedom it gives you compared to other Persona games (especially 5).

>>375614015
Gameplay
5 > 4 > 3

Story
3 > 4/5

Cast
5 > 3 >>> 4

OST
4 > 5 > 3

>>375625210
You are fucking awful. Two words: UNDERDEVELOPED ANTAGONISTS

Two more: PREDICTABLE TWIST

And just one more: MELODRAMA

>>375625026
>I hate people that pretend 3 was the epitome of writing
Literally no one said that.

>Actually pretty edgy and "SO DEEP"
Nope. It was complex but it wasn't hamfisted. Even MC's death isn't made explicitly clear. Only thing I'll give you is the shitty anime tropes like qt robot waifu

>>375614015
You forgot one:
>Atmosphere and Level Design
5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 > 3

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>>375614015
>Gameplay
5 > 4 > 3
>Story
5 > 3 > 4
>Cast
5 > 3 > 4
>Ost
3 ~ 5 > 4
>Velvet Room Attendants
3 > 4 > 5
>Volume of tears
3 > 5 > 4

>>375625026
Don't bother getting into arguments about P3 with /v/. They will disregard everything you have to say, because they can.

>>375625389
What melodrama? That the world was going to fucking end? At least the stakes were actually high. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>375625389
So, Persona 5?

>>375625034
Finally somebody posts the correct fucking answer. The rest of you fags saying 4 had a better story and cast than anything had better be trolling.

>>375625034
>>gameplay
>5 > 3 >4
>>story
>3 > 5 > 4
>>cast
>3 > 5 > >>>>>>>4
>>ost
>>3 > 5 > 4
The only person who knows what they're talking about

>>375624654
P5's cutscenes look like trash as well.

What's the deal with Atlus? Can't they get a decent studio on this shit?

>>375622837

P5 is a lot more restrictive compared to previous games which is my only complaint. Otherwise it's definitely an improvement in terms of gameplay.

>>375625470
It's actually because your opinion sucks

>>375625460
wrong.

>P3
Literally anime Buffy the Vampire Slayer
>P4
Literally anime Scooby Doo
>P5
??????

>>375625571
(you) are wrong

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>>375614015
>gameplay
5>4>3

>story
5>3>4

>cast
5>3>4

>ost
5>3>4

Overall
5>3>4

>>375625563
Restrictive how?

nope

4 has best cast and OST
5 has the best gameplay BUT, the gameplay overall isn't amazing and 5 only wins because it's the most refined.

Story I'm not sure yet because I haven't finished 5.

Also never played 3 lol

>>375625559
I wish Atlus would just ditch the animated scenes because the 3D FMVs look so much better now.

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P5's cast is dogshit overall

This little bitch ass weirdo is more important than two thirds of the main cast.

gameplay
5>3>4

Story
3>5>4

Cast
5=3>4

OST
5>3>4

Overall
5>>3>>>>>>>>>>>>>4

I can't stand 4 if you couldn't tell

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>finished 3 literally fifteen minutes ago after playing it for a month bit by bit
I wish I at least didn't know The Answer exists so I could be more joyful about the ending
I feel so empty now, and I can't just move on to 4 yet
Help

>>375625646
>5>3>4

Kek 3 characters can think for themselves and aren't brainless drones like P5

>>375625572
Literally anime Lupin III. Oh wait...

>>375614015
>gameplay
5 > 3P > 4 > 3 > IS = EP > 1

>story
IS > 4 > EP > 5 > 1 > 3

>cast
EP > 4 > IS >3 > 1

>ost
3 > 4 > 1 (PSOne) > IS > 5 > EP > 1 (PSP)

>>375625439
3/4 have better atmosphere than 5. 3's January and 4 setting BTFO anything 5 had to offer.

>>375625508
Funny I think the complete. The characters in 4 during their initial dungeon get more screentime and development than any of the wasted potential that 5 got.

>>375625563
>P5 is a lot more restrictive compared to previous games which is my only complaint.
P5 is the only game which doesn't arbitrarily skip days like the previous two

>>375625914
If you play the answer you will feel even emptier, but not in the good way.

>>375625210
>More complex and interesting
What did you genuinely mean by this?
>Wow, climb the tower and beat the monster of the week for several months
>Wow, climb the tower with a purpose! for 2

Meanwhile 5 does almost all the same notes but there's actual commentary, reflection of the cast, and symbolism to it.

Apathy syndrome doesn't matter a single shit to the pacing and tone of the game.
You can pretty much remove Strega from the game in place of Shinji being even more involved than P3P.
The Dark Hour's rules seem completely arbitrary when you barely see the direct influence of SEES' actions outside news.
The adults barely get characterized so you can have any attachment to them.

>>375625485
Do P3fags even remember their own game?
Did you forget how Ken and Fuuka got characterized? Why Yukari hates Mitsuru?

>>375625817
>Also never played 3 lol
>lol

That explains your taste. Go play now you fag.

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>>375625914
I know that feel man.
Let some time pass then watch the answer cutscenes on youtube.
Let a week pass, get comfy and start P4.
Or directly move to P5 since it's a better game overall (but you'll find P4 lacking afterwards).

>>375615227
is 2 good enough in the story/cast department that I can overlook the gameplay? Cuz based on my experience with it so far, I can tell the gameplay is going to be an issue for me

>>375626424
>telling someone to go back to randomly generated 2DEEP4U dungeons
No

>>375626101
January through March are skipped and reduced to cutscenes.

>>375626424
I love that you greentexted my lol

>>375626525
>playing Persona for it's dungeon gameplay
I found the problem.

>>375626391
>Meanwhile 5 does almost all the same notes but there's actual commentary, reflection of the cast, and symbolism to it.

Oooh I see, you're trolling!

>>375626510
Nah. Just watch youtube vids.

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>>375614015

>playing a bad series like persona unironically

>>375626836
why wpuld anybody watch youtube vids for any game. you either play it or dont.

>Persona "the plot doesn't fucking exist until the last few months" 3

>>375626961
For the story you dolt
I stopped playing .hack infection because I couldnt take the dungeons anymore but liked the story so I watched cutscenes

/v/'s unabashed fanboy faggotry for P3 will never cease to fucking infuriate me.

>>375626961
Why would anyone put themselves through torture of playing any pre P4G persona game?

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>>375627063
Oops, your post has a typo. I think you meant "4."

>all these buttblasted P4 fanboys angry that people dislike their game
I'd be laughing if they didn't have such irredeemably shit taste

>>375626739
>Troll!
Apathy and self-destruction of the masses, along with the depression of a unfair fate.

Meanwhile, everyone in the thread defending P3 so far are implying the game is only the first month, Aigis's and Shinji's bits, and the tail end of December.
The fact people say play FES over P3P shows a lot too since the characterization is way better but that doesn't matter over some 2003-class PS2 models.

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>starting a numbered series with 3, 4, or 5
So... this is... the power... of Persona babies?

>>375614015
>gameplay
5>2>4=3>1
>story
2>3>5>1>4
>cast
2>3>5>1>4
>ost
2>3>5>1>4

4 is shit

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>>375627336
>P3baby trying to hide behind Persona 1 and 2
Nice try

>>375627325
>it's okay when people do it with MGS, DMC, Final Fantasy, Street Fighter (or any fighter) but Persona is the exception!
Kill yourself.

>>375627065
you gay fucking faggot

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>Implying 4 beats 3 In gameplay

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>>375614015
>ost
3 > 4 > 5

>>375627461
But it's not OK with any of those. Perhaps you are projecting?

Play the original, they said
It's better, they said


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80wZ2XZF_20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kErVQG7wj3A

>>375627309
>Apathy and self-destruction of the masses, along with the depression of a unfair fate

You literally just described P3. Are you that retarded? You can't tell they've been using the same formula with nearly every game? Is the irony that lost on you that you just defended the themes of P3?

>>375615227
You had it until OST. P3 and P5 are objectively the best soundtracks

>>375627468
I can only handle so many copy past dungeons. At least Persona has dating sims to break up the pace. Stay mad.

>>375618185
Good job. You deserve a (You)

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>>375627490
How can you possibly argue this and not be ironic?

>Actual party control and not just "Pray that Marin Karin doesn't come out when I desperately need a heal"
>Superior teammates with superior abilities
>Larger variety of enemies, stronger opponents who demand more attention to composition, and better encounters overall
>Due to the fact that the main dungeons are Tartarsauce anyways, you have less breakups in progress
>Reaper fight is superior
>More Personae, items, equipment, etc.
>Rise>>>Fuuka
>Better pentultimate final boss

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>P4 fags won't shut the fuck up about their waifus and circlejerking over them

>P3 fags won't shut the fuck up about how much better their pretentious game is than P4

>P5 fags won't shut up about which character is the worst character

who's the worst /v/?

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>gameplay
5>4>3

>story
5>3>4

>cast
3>5>4

>OST
5>3>4

>Overall
5>3>4

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>>375627779
>marin karin meme

Oh look a babby who couldnt into tactics

>>375627819
They're all the same fags. Stop being retarded. This isn't FF.

>>375627595
>You literally just described P3.
>Meanwhile 5 does almost all the same notes but there's actual commentary, reflection of the cast, and symbolism to it.

I literally said P5 does the same thing to begin with but better.
How did you manage to go full Eric Cartman and subconsciously filter out all context that proves you wrong?
Maybe you just misquote and meant >>375626739
He's the one calling me a troll for saying it's about the same.

>P 4 Story better than 3
>P4 had a story
>Nanako die
>But wait she was revived with the power of.... FRIENDSHIP AND LOVE

ARE

YOU

FUCKING

KIDDING

ME

>>375627779
>better penultimate final boss
Both were pretty shit desu. I knew Giant Eye couldn't be the final boss because he was so easy.

But in terms of actual final bosses P3>P4

>>375627336
>2 having second highest gameplay
What the fuck the game is braindead boring. I could not stand to slog myself through IS at all

>>375627819
>anything that is deeper than azumanga daioh is pretentious

>>375625826
they actually look so much better that I have to imagine they cost much more to get done, hence why P5 has a lot more anime than before (though it still has quite a lot of 3D cutscenes)

>>375627325
P1 and 2 are not relevant to the current canon that is used in 3 and above. P-studio will most likely never mention the cast again expect for the news broadcast in 3 because Hashino doesn't want to trample on the previous teams work. Phil and the Velvet Room are the only things that will be relevant.

>tfw no P3 FES: Portable: Switch edition

>>375614015
>gameplay
5>4>3
>story
I can't really comment on 5 since I just finished the third dungeon, at the moment it is equal to 4. I think 3 and 4 are tied in story.
>cast
4 > 5 > 3
I enjoyed the P4 cast the most and Naoto is still my waifu, P3 had a good cast and all but they never seemed like they were friends and they weren't as enjoyable to hang out with. I enjoy pretty much everyone in the P5 cast so far and Morgana is alot better than fucking Teddy.
>ost
4 = 5 > 3
The rap music in 3 didn't really do it for me, I love the ending song however. 4 had a great soundtrack overall and so do P5.

>>375628024
>braindead boring
You just described P3-5 gameplay

>>375625914
The Answer fucking sucks, in case you did not know.

Seriously. Don't play it.

>>375628003
>actual commentary
So you need to be spoonfed? lol cool.

>reflection of th cast
Huh?

>symbolism
Literally babby's first film analysis vocabulary. Try actually explaining what you mean instead of throwing out buzzwords that mean nothing. You're implying P3 had no symbolism?

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>>375627779
>No fusion Spells
>No Persona Weapons
>Less versatile Mc
>Changes to Once More
>Status don't mean shit
>Counting all physical attacks into one category

Fuck, even Q had better gameplay than 4

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I haven't played any of these games, but I notice that whenever someone insults Persona 3 a bunch of people get autistic about it and have to jump up to defend it, is the game just so universally liked that it make people angry when it's insulted or is it that people who like Persona 3 are autistic themselves?

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Is P4 really people's favorite soundtrack? It's good but there's only a handful of memorable songs and the final boss track is pretty dissapointing

>>375627779
>I keep party tactic on Act Freely and pray for RNG, oh shit why i am keep losing: the post

Goddamn are people who complain about Marin Karin - chan all suffered brain dead Apathy syndrome ?

>>375627325
I hate to say it, but I just have no fucking interest in the first 2 Persona games.

People talk them (well, more like P2) up a whole lot but I couldn't get into either at all when I tried.

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>>375628393
>I haven't played any of these games
Stopped reading there

>>375628181
3/4 gameplay was mediocre but 5's changes made it a lot more fun even if the systems are mostly the same, it's still satisfying and you need to actually need to fuse personas to succeed.

In innocent Sin you:
>spam spells that kill enemies with ease
>oh look a fusion spell i made by accident
>turn on autobattle to use fusion spell every battle and never lose
>do this for the rest of the game on hard
>never fuse any personas
For shit's sake, the gameplay is so bad I wish it were just a visual novel

>>375628393
>Not the first post from this IP

>>375627461
MGS is a little weird a case. MG1 sucks and is only interesting from a historical perspective. MG2 is MGS1.

>>375628293
>You need to be spoonfed.
>Actually explain what you mean!
>If you ignore the paragraph of argumentative points I already listed
???

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>>375628692
Holy fuck how can one post be so short and yet so full of shit

>>375628665
Tinkers the ol thinker don't it?

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>>375614015
Whats the next color /v/?

Also what would it represent?

>>375626067
Swap 3 and 4 for cast/story and we're golden

>>375628774
>argumentive points
That were totally devoid of substance? Sure.

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>Persona 3's OST is better than 3's
How? On what planet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hy43z5oar0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4DKTAKE03g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7vsdh6dUk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hufv8MFlRdE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ue1JPFXEU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDv7fPjHDxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV-ZJTE6Dfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK9Y1EqjDpY

>>375628776
You want to argue the merits of the first Metal Gear go ahead.

Unless you have a problem with MG2 = MGS1. Which would be retarded, because blow for blow they are essentially the same game.

>>375627563
>But it's not OK with any of those
You never played any of those. DMC2, SF1, and FF2 are objectively garbage.

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>>375628664
>he played on normal

I respect everyone's opinion as long as you don't have 4 cast or P2 gameplay above anything.

>>375614015
>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3

>story
4 > 5 > 3

>Cast
5 > 4 > 3

>ost
3 > 4 > 5

>>375628887
I agree. P3 ost is better than p3 ost

>>375628876
>T-they don't count!
Then shut up and drop the argument to begin with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KukSVxgsQkg

Best song in all the games

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>>375628851
P3
>blue
>blues, sadness, depression

P4
>yellow
>happiness, spring of youth

P5
>red
>wickedness

P6
>black
>hatred, destruction

>>375628851
It's green. It can't be anything else.

Or rather, with this theme they've been going with, it should be green.

>>375628851
Green

>>375628887
On this one. Are those songs supposed to blow me away? I heard them when I played 4 and didn't feel like listening to them after I finished the game like I did with 3 and 5.

>>375629097
>>375629107
why green? what does green imply?

>>375628912
Playing them helps you appreciate the progress the developers made in improving them. It also helps you comment on the series as a whole without having to hypothesize why you hate a theoretical game to make /v/ think you're intelligent.

persona 2 > that gross weebshit

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>>375628851
So they used up all of the primary colours by now, they'll start using secundary?

>>375629167
>why green?
Some color thing. I forget the name in this case. But, with red, yellow, and blue, all that's left is green.

>what does green imply?
I really don't know. Red, blue, and yellow are all obvious but I have a lot of different thoughts in my mind regarding green.

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>>375629167
Could be the four humours, kinda fits the previous games.

>>375629012
I like everything about it and must agree

>>375629215
>Playing them helps you appreciate the progress the developers made in improving them

Irrelevant, no point telling someone to play shit games and waste their time and possibly turn them off.

>It also helps you comment on the series as a whole

See , comments like this makes it seem like you only play games to get approval from a fanbase instead of just fucking enjoying a game yourself. Some people don't give a fuck about giving opinions.

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>>375629514
If you don't want to give your opinion on something, then why are you on /v/?

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>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3

>story
5 > 3 > 4

>cast
5 > 4 = 3

>ost
5 = 3 = 4

P3's story has the highest highs, but all of those highs come in the last couple of hours and don't make up for how boring it is up until that point.

P3's cats and P4's are equal in my book, because even though the P4 cast was largely one dimensional, they at least fulfileldtheir purpose of contributing to the comfy town setting. They did a perfectly good job of being what they were supposed to be, even if that's not setting the bar too high seeing as they're just supposed to be shallow but fun characters, for the most part. The P3 cats had some great characters, but a lot of them were completely forgettable in my opinion and by the end of the game I didn't care about them in the slightest.

The OSTs all fit their respective games perfectly and I don't feel like I can put one over the other.

>>375629145
They are, unless you have shit taste. Mass Destruction and Burn My Dread aren't worth listening to over and over. Most of the tracks in 3 are worth one listen during the game, since the edge dynamic gets surprisingly old. Most of the songs in 4 are memorable, and every noteworthy song is used fantastically in the game. The catchy, vibrant, and guitar riffs of 4 are all around much better than P3's mixed bag of a soundtrack.

>>375629360
>>375628851

What if it's pink

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>>375629360
>green's meaning

I don't know man, it doesn't seem too appealing...

>>375615175
If you're a Neofag I can see why

>>375629012
Last Surprise is much better imo

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>>375614015
>>cast
>4 > 3 > 5

This is 100% incorrect. In terms of writing, P3's cast blows the rest out of the water because they seem like actual people with depth and unique enough personalities that they don't immediately fall into some sort of trope. Overall, I found P5's cast to be a lot more likable people, but they didn't have as much depth and the core of the cast members were all based on cliches. I'd rate them about even for how well they served their purpose. P4's cast on the other hand is completely shallow and they never go beyond their one character trait.

Even their deep, dark issues were all incredibly basic shit, and the only two ones that were even remotely interesting were Kanji struggling with his masculinity and Rise accepting her status as an Idol slut. Somehow P5 managed to handle this with their characters better in a 30 second "awakening" scene than P4 did with entire dungeons. P4's cast also comes off as a bunch of mindless sheep with how hard they dickride Yu. P3 and P4 cast put their trust in Door-kun and Joker but they aren't a bunch of yes-men, especially the P3 cast.

Someone PLEASE tell me how you can possibly find the P4 cast to be any good.

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>>375622841
I like it, but it has some really egregious moments. Nanako coming back to life and Yu not sticking his hand in the TV when he's being interrogated by Dojima, even though there's a TV in the room were both awful moments. The confrontation with Adachi is pretty bad too.

>>375629693
That's P3P.

>>375629852
>people will fall for this awful bait

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>>375614015
Fuck off

>>375614015
>>story
>3 > 4 > 5
>>cast
>4 > 3 > 5
>>ost
>3 > 4 > 5


what the fuck is this

>>375629614
Talking in general

I will never tell someone to waste their time with shit games so whenever they get a chance to discuss it they will be "accepted" in to a fanbase.

Even then not every single thread is about a series in general

>>375629965

>it's bait because I disagree with it

huh, maybe I just fell for the "P4 cast is good" bait then

>>375629789
Neogaf loves Persona 5 the most. Its the most popular.

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>>375629443
Seeing it like that it would be cool, like a really timid protagonist who would grow with the story and learn to be more assertive, I don't know.

>>375630092
The bait wasn't that P4 is good, it's that P3 isn't bad

Minato is the man. Persona 3 HD remake when?

>P3/P4 remasters with 5's UI improvements never

>>375630041
a contrarian view
is this the first time you've ever seen one

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>>375624220
The atmosphere at the end is very well set and it's satisfying to finally get to the top of Tartarus. Then the actual ending is great on top of that. I agree that P3's story is not great and the game on the whole is pretty overrated on /v/, but I do think it has a strong end sequence, not that that's enough to say ti has a good story in a 60-80 hour long game.

>>375627117
P2 is pretty much still one of the greatest JRPGs of all time. Xenogears tier.

1 isn't bad but the fucking dungeons are a slog. Thankfully it's relatively short and there's absolutely no shame in using a map to get through shit like the harem queen's castle.

>>375630058
Talking is giving your impression of something. Your impression is enhanced by experiencing more things in the subject of your discussion. Even a "bad" game can have merits as it allows you to enhance your knowledge of the video game in question; a game in a series can never be taken fully seriously without also talking about its predecessors or succesors.

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>>375629965
>He doesn't like what i like so it must be bait
Everything that anon said was 100% true

>>375630308
Is the combat good? I'm thinking about playing it but Idk...

>>375628913
>He played the PSP version

Kill yourself.

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Why is P3P so fucking much on psn?

>>375630186

explain yourself, because that makes even less sense

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>>375627117
Because not everyone is a casual baby among casual babies like you are

>>375629852
Nope.

The Persona 4 cast had a stronger theme of self-discovery and self-awareness, coming to terms with all aspects of one's self, and in turn, growing as a person. Everybody got developent and importance, while Persona 3's cast did not. Koromaru, Akihiko didn't have any story significance out of their melodramatic Shinji dick sucking. Persona 4 is the better game in regards to social links as far as overall worth of them as stories and means of character development. Navi is worse than Teddie. Aigis is the only character with great development. People need to open their eyes to the truth, and replay Persona 4. Because Persona 4's arcs fit each arcana much more than P3's.

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>>375628913
I wouldn't complain if anything I said were fixed by playing on hard

>>375627117
Persona 3 is exactly when the series started getting good actually. Whether you play FES or Portable, you'll have a great gaming experience. Stop being so contrarian, shitposter-kun.

>>375629852
P4 cast is the best because they come off as a actual group and not just a bunch of characters that just up just because. Every cast member interacts with each other and are enjoyable to be around. P5 is too focused on muh plot and not the characters and it suffers for that. Makoto, Goro and Haru feel that last minute. P5 having the worst events should tell you already how boring the cast is outside of Yusuke. They have zero banter with each other.

>>375630565
the combat in 2 sucks, the combat in 1 is good. 2 is mostly good for the characters/story/negotiation. the soundtrack is excellent as well.

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>>375628887
That's the stuff

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>>375630830
>15 seconds of accepting themselves in their own dungeon and being completely forgotten for the rest of the game
>good character development

>>375630830
>shinji dick sucking
>akihiko fights with shinji but respects his distance
>shinji dies and he feels sad

HAHA WOW WHAT A DICK SUCKER AMIRITE FELLOW REDDITORS XD P4G FTW! ^-^

>>375614015

>Gameplay

5 > 4 Golden > 4 > 3

>story

5 > 3 > 4

>cast

5 > 3 > 4

>ost

5 > 3 > 4

objective.

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>>375614015
>gameplay
5>4>3>>>>2
>story
5>2>3>4
>cast
5>3>4>/=2

>ost
4>/=3>5>2

>waifus

>>375630905
>that just up just because
*join up for the hell of it
>feel that last minute
*feel like last minute characters

I need sleep.

>>375631147
>she

>>375630986
>>375631067
I wasn't just talking about the story. You cannot deny that the social links in 4 are better than 3's and are much more faithful to the arcana. Sorry but you'll always be wrong.

>>375631212
>she nowhere found in post
Sasuga shit taste-kun

Why is P5 music so boring. Only one I genuinely liked was the palace after the calling card, and the mementos tune was pretty groovy I guess

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>unironically defending the cast of P4

>>375631273
>You cannot deny that the social links in 4 are better than 3's

party member social links ruined the plot related character development. That alone is like 5 s links that are wasted on shit characters (other than yukiko and kanji).

>more faithful to the arcana
how so? Death in P3 was far better than in P4, for example.

>>375631365
You'll change your tune towards the end.

>>375630127
No they don't, honeymoon is nearing it's end.

>>375631314
>do it for HER
let me guess, "just pretending", right aspergers-san?

>>375630407
>Your impression is enhanced by experiencing more things in the subject of your discussion.

That literally doesn't matter. Your exaggerating the need for this. Not everybody cares to give a discussion when they just want to play good games.

A bad game can put someone off a series and not everybody wants to waste times on shit games just so they can discuss shit on a forum. You're seriously pretending discussion is important

>>375631484
>her=she
Come on now Anon, one of the words didn't even have an s

>>375631391
P5's isn't exactly noteworthy either. Yusuke is the only memorable party member, similar to Kanji in 4.

>gameplay
P1>P2>P4>P5>P3
>story
P2IS>P1>P2EP>P5>P3>P4
>cast
P2IS>P1>P3>P2EP>P4>P5
>ost
P4>P2IS>P2EP>P1>P3>P5

>>375631273
>party member social links
>yosuke in general

Here's a list of p3 social links better than 4's.

>Death
>Tower
>Devil
>Hanged Man
>Hermit
>Magician
>priestess
>lovers
>moon

>>375630905
Makoto? Really?

I can almost understand Haru. They should have built her up more. She's my favorite but your time with her is disappointingly short.

However I felt like the group was actually the most close-knit yet. I dunno about banter, but there's a definite and obvious sense of overall camaraderie. I didn't need everyone having "chemistry". It's more believable that a group of friends only has certain people click anyways (like Morgana/Ryuji, Yusuke/Futaba, and You/Haru). In the end you felt like you'd die for one another. And you do!

I also felt like it was more close-knit because you pretty much only hang out with eachother. You're shunned at school or by society for various reasons and all you've got is your buds. You also actually do have some hang outs outside of the story proper, in side events, where confidants intermingle and such.

Oh, and no shit Goro was "last minute". I mean he showed up early and then pulled his dumb gamble. Not much else to say about that.

>>375631676
>P1 or P2 better at anything
Fuck off grandad isn't it time for your alzheimer pills?

>>375631527
Yeah, who would want discussion on a discussion board, right?

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>I'm worried about X
>me too
>we should take care of X soon
>definitely
>i agree we got to stop this
>alright let's prepare for X tomorrow
>remember that exam thing too
>that is bullshit
>shut up Ryuji!
>I trust MC to handle this
>night everyone

Texts in Catherine were far more interesting than this shit

>>375631273
And you can't deny that Persona 4 literally doesn't have a story and thus makes any character development in those links completely meaningless

I think we can all agree that social links are a mistake & hinder character development

>>375631676
Close but no cigar
>Gameplay
P3>P5>P1>P4>P2
>Story
P2IS=P2EP>P3>P5>P1>P4
>Cast
P2EP>P2IS>P1>P3>P5>P4
>OST
P2IS>P3>P1>P5>P4

>>375614015
>gameplay
5>3>4

>cast
3>5>4

>story
3>5>4

>battle theme
BABY>COMING>MYSELF

>opening
4>5>3

>overall ost
5=3>4

>>375631837
ONLY with party members.

having ultimate personas tied to social links is pants on head retarded.

>>375630565
I haven't played 3, 4 or 5 so I don't know how they compare. P2 is pretty standard JRPG battling, but there's some cool stuff with fusion spells. 1 has this semi-SRPG element where your attacks have certain ranges and AoE on a grid so your party placement matters. It seems kind of cool at first but it becomes an annoyance since you'll end up with characters not being able to do anything since nothing is in range and the only way to switch positions is with full preset formations and it uses up a turn. also first person mazes with no discernable landmarks are shit and you'll be staring at the minimap the entire game.

P2 is dated in a charming nostalgic way, P1 is dated in an obnoxious low QoL way. Would recommend 2 if you're a fan of JRPGs, 1 only if you're a masochist or just REALLY love persona, and even then i'd say cheat your characters to max just to burn through it and see what it's about.

>>375631806
>ignoring that i said in general

>>375631635
The only two who I felt honestly weren't so great were Ann and Ryuji. I don't dislike Ann but there isn't much to her. Ryuji fluctuates, starting off actually really great, becoming so irritating that you can't deal, then mellowing out a bit. He at least feels distinct but god he's retarded.

Futaba was fun and I was surprised how I liked her. Haru was delightful. Makoto was also surprisingly likable. I really liked Morgana as well, and all your confidants are great except kinda Ohya. And, of course, Yusuke's Yusuke.

>>375631759
>more close-knit than P2 cast

spotted the cuck

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@375631825
What are you even saying? No (you) for you.

>>375632035
Do you just use "cuck" as a generic insult?

I obviously meant in terms of 3, 4, and 5. I haven't played 2 and am not ashamed to admit it.

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>>375631676
>game with number one man in japan not number one in cast

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>>375632060

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>>375630905
>They have zero banter with each other.
But you didn't even play the game P4fag

>>375631837
It's an easy fix though. For fuck's sake just have some main story events acknowledge things like relationships.

They do in 5 THE TINIEST BIT. I don't recall when exactly it was, but Ryuji asks if you're thinking of marriage while everyone's at Leblanc. Depending on your answer someone reacts. That's it.

In my case, that was making Haru blush. But, come on
>max Haru
>you "get killed by Akechi"
>Haru's with her fiance for no fucking reason
and overall your party members who love you or whatever hardly react outside of specific side events

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>this bitch who not only blackmails you, she fucks up your steady paced plan and put the entire group in danger

>group has no resentment towards her and then just lets her do whatever she wants like pic related

WEAK sauce bitch ass cast, the leader should have humbled her.

>>375632609
Blame the dub script
It's slightly better in the original

>>375632401
>Mementos shit
Come back when it involves the main plot and not 2 lines each

>>375632143
>say its the most tight knit in the series
>exclude 3 of the 6 games
>expect somebody not to call you on it

>>375620016
Jesus, you just made me realize how shitty the PSP version really is

>>375632986
>thread is about 3, 4, and 5
>talk about 3, 4, and 5
I know it's hard, but try using your brain a little.

>>375632609
Not sure if bait or you're just retarded

>>375633113
did you not read the thread?

people always inject P1/P2 into these threads. People may as well just stop trying to make 3/4/5 threads and pretend 1/2 dont exist because they're too casual / young to have played them.

>>375620016
I honestly can't believe people like P3P more than FES.

Why would you? You lose so much atmosphere from it being MENUS MENUS MENUS

>>375614015
>gameplay
5 > 4 > 3
>story
5 > 3 > 4
>cast
5 > 4 > 3
>ost
3 = 5 > 4
>uniforms
4 > 3 > 5
>waifus
5 = 4 > 3
>final boss
4 > 3 > 5
>mascot
Morgana > koromaru > shit > teddie

>>375631759
They aren't close-knit at. Ryuji barely speaks with Haru. The ending was as wasn't as sad as the previous too because they were a bunch of nobody's. Easily the worst cast by far.

>>375633216
Nothing about casual. I don't like those 2 games.

They're utterly different from the rest of the series so it's not like that doesn't make sense.

>>375633265
I disagree but also don't really care.

Yeah, Ryuji barely speaks with Haru but whatever.

>>375633291
they're closer to old megaten than persona, granted, but if you haven't tried snow queens quest then you're missing out. I've never heard anyone claim SQQ wasn't a blast.

>>375633156
Go and try to refute me

>>375619678
Fuck off dumbass P3P is shit

>>375620016
>Liking MENUS the game

>>375633265
>>375633352
Ryuji shows respect for Haru and thinks she's badass.
They have nothing to talk about anyways, ryuji could plow Ann if he wanted to, why would he want to smash, let alone have a conversation with a forehead monster

>>375633223
Whoa, shit, it's almost like different people have different opinions. Also, how dare people enjoy the QoL improvements that P3P had.

>>375633715
In your opinion, menus are more immersive than being able to control your character?

Your opinion seems to be wrong.

>>375630830
>The Persona 4 cast had a stronger theme of self-discovery and self-awareness, coming to terms with all aspects of one's self, and in turn, growing as a person

You're making "oh wow, my big secret problem is actually a retarded non-issue, I guess I should get over it" sound like a really deep journey of self discovery

>>375633352
And that's a bad thing. Everyone but Joker, Futaba, and Yusuke won't shut the fuck up about muh fame and act like a retard to make Makoto look good.

>>375614015
Anyone placing 4 over anything on cast is fucking retarded because the sole existence of Yosuke.

Even fucking Ryuji ended up being great in the end.

>>375633461
Refute what? You're talking about some steady paced plan when they literally had nothing there and had no idea how to get to Kaneshiro flying bank.

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>>375633836
>complaining about visual novel elements in a visual novel
>no argument for the objective improvements portable had

>>375633857
>sexual identity
>goals in life
>crush died and actually hated you

yeah, those are some big non issues

>>375633905
Kanji is better than Yusuke.

>>375633857
This, persona 4 was the kobold quest in terms of power level compared to 3 and 5.
Pretty sure aigis or morgana could have solo'd every fight they had to face

>>375634017
You're not addressing what I'm saying, why?

And I beat FES without those improvements so naturally I don't care. I didn't find it frustrating in the first place anyway.

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>>375614015
>gameplay
5>4>3 is correct

>story
3>5>4

>cast
5>3>4

>ost
3>4>5

You got one of them right at least..

>>375634037
none of those issues are life shattering.
-Kanji's family was as good as it could get
-muh goals is every wapanese high school student problem
-OH NO MY CRUSH HATES ME and she DIED but was not actually related to me BOO HOO
Who actually cares?
and I'm an actual fagfag.

>>375634105
I like both, but read the post again.

>>375634254
According to sales figures, a lot of people cared.

>>375634037
>sexual identity
There's only 2 genders and 2 sexualities, you either like wieners or where they're supposed to go
>goals in life
Not an issue, everyone has one
>crush died and actually hated you
Yosuke was literally the only good example, barring naoto who's gender confusion was a semi issue but she resolves it without too much mental disorder leftover, so it becomes a moot point

>>375629781
purple best color

>>375614015
>P3 story better than anything
If you're a school shooter perhaps

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I dont get why people like P4 so much.
Its the only Persona game I didnt finish, because it didnt seem to go anywhere. The stakes were so low in comparison to P3 or P5.

>>375633984
>You're talking about some steady paced plan when they literally had nothing


Are you stupid? They were trying to be customers just like that kid, Joker found someone that was gonna offer it to him and guess what? Makoto had to interrupt and talk like a fucking cop would and gave them off.

All they had to do was be a customer for Kaneshiro to enter the palace and the cast knew that.

Try again

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>>375634528
Kek

>>375634452
>people buy a game because of the struggles characters have inside the plot

ha ha ok.
By that logic, you say the p4 story was top notch.

>>375634543
I'm no P4 apologist, but isn't that a weird issue to have? Stakes?

If anything it's refreshing not having a problem where the world must be saved in a JRPG. 5 is not about saving the world until the last few hours, and the issue wasn't even "humans are so shit" but "this god is so shit"

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>>375634543
Because it has best girl

>>375634480
>there's only 2 sexualities and 2 genders

Ok /pol/, I agree with you, but it's still a tough thing that weighs on a teenage mind whether you like it or not, or whether you classify it as a mental disorder or not you edgy contrarian fag.

5 is shit end of thread.

gayweeb > weebgayer > gayestweeb

>>375634480
>if a dude likes dudes it makes him a woman
>if a grill likes a grill it makes it a man

I think all that gender bullshit that goes on nowadays is bullshit, but you're oversimplifying and it makes you look retarded.

>>375634675
Who are you quoting?

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Objective facts coming through.

>Gameplay
5>4>3. This is indisputable.

>Story
4>3>5. The murder case mystery is the peak of the story telling in all three games.

>Cast
3>5>4. The cast of Persona 3 had much more meaningful development than the last two games.

>Soundtrack
3=4=5

Every game is good at one thing, but the soundtrack is fantastic in all of them. That being said, I love all 3 games.

>>375634932
>what is paraphrasing?

Being dumb won't get you laid.

>>375634742
>isn't that a weird issue to have?
Absolutely not.

>>375634452
That's a huge jump in logic, move those goalposts any further and you won't be able to miss

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>that moment in the velvet room where you "convince" a depressed cast who can't think for themselves with 3 word liner like "don't give up" and they EVERYONE does a 180 and is excited again

Most corny scene in the entire game

>>375634860
>it's a tough thing that weighs on a teenage mind
Not for everyone
>>375634890
You're using the word "bullshit" as a descriptor and as the word you're describing, and you think I'm the one who "looks" retarded

>>375635137
eh

you can play any other RPG if you want to save the world

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>>375635070
>being this assblasted