DUUUUUUDE What the fuck is that goomba with the flagpole?

Apparently the name of the game in the eShop data is Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga DX + Bowser's Minions, so people are speculating the latter will be a brand-new minigame to replace Mario Bros.

>>375605739
CAN'T
FUCKING
WAIT

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>>375605739
THEY RUINED THE COLORS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>375606102
If Luigi's socks are covered in the updated artwork, we riot.

>>375606102
Looks like their clothes are old and too small, with mold on them

>>375606102
>>375606274
No better than CWC complaining about blue arms

>>375606357
Well, they're plumbers, they work with shit water.

>>375606485
Except we're funposting while he is dead serious.

>>375606621
She*
Respect the tomgirl you troll

>>375606621
Come on, Anon. CWC is just a troll.

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>>375606828

>>375605871
I completely forgot every Mario game on the GBA except two had a remake of Mario Bros on it

What was up with that

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>>375607274
>yfw Cackletta in the new art style

>>375606621
do you honestly think /v/ wouldn't unironically complain about this?

>nintendies actually get excited for an old game being released over and over and over again just because theres a flagpole added to the icon

yall gotta be kidding me

>>375607612
What are you smoking?

>>375607612
>over and over again
Come on now, anon. You can do better than this.

>>375607274
That retainer is shady as fuck.

>>375607381
Fuck that, Im more excited for Fawful

>>375605739
I'd be pretty hyped if it was upgraded to BiS style. But it's probably being remade into Dream Team's one so won't even bother.

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>>375607381
>Toadette is a trap

they will ruin it somehow

>>375606621
/v/ and Chris are about on the same level

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>>375607381
I hope they add the outlines back this time, it adds so much that you don't even know is missing until you see it

>>375609493
I think the new art style looks too much like the regular Mario style. The original M&L had a more unique look to it that made it charming.

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AHHHHHHHH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>375609493
>>375609641
Well, it really looks better.


But don't get your hopes up, because this might be a filler, lazy remake with the same sprites as PJ.

>>375609620
It already became really close to regular Mario with Partners in Time. Superstar Saga was the only one to be different/off model. Will be interesting to see the visual direction this remake takes.

>tfw they add extra tutorials and nothing else

>>375607367
>What was up with that
You could do 4 players with a link cable.
However, one game was enough iirc.
Maybe they just really wanted to promote that.

>>375609924
>tfw you haven't played Paper Jam

>>375609924
>>375610157
Right, Paper Jame got rid of tutorials. Fucking sucks that it took them 5 games to learn that lesson but better late than never.

Also, the Koopalings were in this game as well. I wonder if this time around they'll be retconned to actually have dialogue like in DT.

>>375610157
Paper "We removed the tutorials, on and the plot too, oops" Jam?
Paper "Don't worry though, we added a hundred Paper Toads to make up for it" Jam? Yeah.

Is Paper Jam any good?
I got bored of DreamTeam because of the hand holding still present 20 hours into the game and the fact that the game was awfully easy
Also the story sucks, I liked SS's plot twist and change of pace halfway through the game

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>>375610274
>but better late than never.

>>375610331
Paper Jam is busy work the game.
Unless you really fucking want more it's not worth it.

>>375610331
>DT is objectively the hardest M&L game
>SSS is the
Why does SSS get a pass every time? It had the best bro moves, but that is it.

>>375610296
How was the plot any worse than any other M&L game? And how are the forced minigames any different than the forced minigames in other M&L games?

>>375610157
>>375610274
Yeah it removed the tutorials but the entire game still treated you like an idiot and didn't ramp up until way too late.

>>375605739
it's an arena shooter with capture the flag mode to compete with Quake Champions and the new UT

>>375610274
>Koopalings are given bigger roles
Not sure if hype or REEEEEEEEEEEE KOOPALINGS AGAIN

>>375610581
People played SSS when they were kids and remember it being harder than it is. If you go back to it now, it's so mind-numbingly easy and so simple to break open, it makes me wonder if the remake will completely rebalance it by changing stats and making enemy patterns more complex.

>>375610682
Paper Jam has no plot at all. Like ZERO plot during the whole game
>Paper Mario comes out of the book
>go get the book and Peach back from Browser
>the end
WEW

And the minigames were much more fun and varied in the older games.

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>>375607381
>>375609493
All these images ever remind me of it that Mario Bros Z is still on hiatus.

>>375606621
>we
fuck off

>>375610987
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spq9at

>At face value I'm the pioneer of sprite based crossover fanfics. My series inadvertently helped hundreds, maybe thousands of aspiring animators pursue their careers and go onto great things. But the cold reality is I'm an unemployed antisocial 32 year old virgin living at my mother's place on disability benefits. Suffering from chronic depression, autism and suicidal thoughts. Feel free to make fun and kick the dirt in my face while I'm down. I honestly don't care anymore. My reputation and credibility are in shambles anyway.

>>375610331
I enjoyed Paper Jam to the fullest extent. The only thing I disliked were the cardboard mini games. They were terrible. The toad mini games weren't bad and could be fun. The battles are the best in the series.

>>375610965
>minigames were more varied
Factually wrong.

And I am pretty sure you are missing every plot point in PJ if you think that is all that happened.

>>375611078
Now this is /our guy/

>>375610881

Yeah, I replayed SSS recently. Beyond that one point in Jokes End where Mario & Luigi can be separated but can still encounter enemies is really easy.

The enemies attacks aren't high enough to account for the fact you can dodge every attack in the game so you're rarely punished for failing to evade.

Though it wasn't until DT and Paper Jam where failing to evade attacks actually was punished. Paper Jam surprised me when even early game enemies deal lots of damage.

>>375609493
Even with outlines dream team is still pretty bad.At least PJ looks decent.

>>375607612
>the best mario RPG, but with the least content is getting remade
Of course I'm excited. It's the best concept in the series.

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>>375611078

>>375611118
Not him but I probably did because PJ's fucking story was so fucking bland and boring that I stopped giving a shit
>Oh no the Paper Toads wont get home if we dont find them!
Fuck you, at least every single game gave me motivation to go kick some ass, especially BIS and motherfucking Fawful

>>375611078
Damn, the adult world sucks. It was so much simpler back then when I was a kid waiting for new episodes to be uploaded on Newgrounds and they always felt so energetic. Poor guy.

>>375607381
>>375609493
Jesus, DT really just blows everything else away, doesn't itm

>>375610581
>It had the best bro moves
It's the only game with actual bros moves and not just items or cutscene shit. It also has the best characters and the most personality over-all. And nostalgia

>>375611278

Yeah it's not like the Bowsers quickly started fucking shit up or that Peach's castle gets blown up to hell and back just before the final act. There is no reason to fight the enemies at all.

>>375611118
List these plot points then.

Also the minigames WERE more varied.
Just from SSS
>Barrel
>Border Jump
>Chuckola Bounce
>Mysterious Mine Carts
>Splart
>Star 'Stache Smash

Tell me how these aren't more varied than
>find toads
>rescue toads
>rescue toads
>find toads

>>375611278
Damn, two bowsers crushing the land with their own manufactured land wasn't enough to make you want to kick ass? The Koopalings constantly fucking with you wasn't enough?

>>375605739
>Superstar Saga DX
>It's a remake of Superstar Saga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEyEhe1ta9o

>>375611504
>DX

Fuck off this isn't reddit

>>375607381
Damn, I forgot how terrible Toads looked in SSS.

>>375611461
Nice, I can also boil every SSS minigame down to
>get beans by doing something
>get beans by doing something different
>get beans by doing something else
And so on.

>>375611461

Because "rescue toads" isn't the same minigame everytime? Because the giant cardboard battles are more involved than any minigame SSS had? Because PJ still has the best boss rush minigame in the series due to simply having the best bosses?

You're being obtuse just because of the meme "grr paper mario color splash toads" thing.

>>375605739

Its obviously Mario Capture the Flag.

The main strategy is to coordinate your team (We'll say Red) so that the person who grabs the flag is never the closest person to his (Red's) home base until he's close enough to make a dash for it, as once a flag has been been grabbed, members of the opposing team (We'll say Green) get Blue Turtle Shells that seek out whichever member of the Red team is closest to the Red home base.

>>375611634
He's not talking about the rewards, he's talking about what the actual minigames were.

Also, getting beans was the only way to get the various gadgets from E. Gadd.

>>375611634
>>375611668
Ok so list the minigames in Paper Jam please.
Also all the minigames in SSS all had their own purpose at least the first time you play them. In Paper Jam ever Toad quest is to get a new Papercraft or a new Trio Move.

>>375611727
You know what was great? Mario Chase in Nintendoland. If they put a similar minigame in another game, it'd be really cool.

>>375605739
As autistic as this fucking sounds, I can't wait to be able to finally have Luigi walk in front of Mario again

No clue why NO other game let him lead

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>>375605739
how do I fuck this thing?

>>375611442
>>375611482
Bowser already fucks shit up in the main games and thats good enough for me
But in these spinoff title, other crazy shit happens and I always enjoyed that.
Paper Jam as a whole was just boring.
Which is sad those fucking boss battles and boss theme are arguably the best in the series

>>375611885
Carefully, her vagina is probably full of sand.

>>375611781
>Find Paper Toads
>Defeat enemies to find Paper Toads
>Collect Paper Toads in a certain amount of time
>Paper Toads

>>375605871
This is worrying. I was hoping it was gonna be on the switch but that doesn't seem likely if they got it from the eShop, unless the Switch is unlocked?

>>375611461
>>find toads
>>rescue toads
>>rescue toads
>>find toads
You mean:

Timed searches
Timed Battle rushes
Quizzes
Falling block puzzles
Toad Corral
Dashing puzzles
Mushroom collecting
Sandslide puzzle
Chasing down nabbit
Fly Guy stealth missions
Yoshi racing
Shooting down Kamek with cannons
etc

As for the plot, you clearly haven't played the game, so knock yourself out:

https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_%26_Luigi:_Paper_Jam

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>>375611078
I still want the episode, though.

>>375612082
It's almost certainly 3DS-exclusive, but considering it's just a remake, I wouldn't worry since it's in line with the current 3DS/Switch support trend. Fire Emblem just got a remake on 3DS and the new main instalment will come out next year on the Switch, same with Shin Megami Tensei. I'm expecting a brand-new M&L to currently be in development for the Switch while this holds fans over.

>>375612223
All of those 'minigames' take place in the over world.

And nice job not listing the plot points because you know there are none.
I too could write a wall of text of the plot of Super Mario Bros. describing everything that happens on screen, that doesn't mean SMB has a plot.

>>375611885
She is like 2-3 times the size of you, anon. She is for hug, not fug.

>>375612570
>if they are worked into the overworld, they don't count
Also, I am not writing out another big list only to have you handwave it like you just did. You are wasting my time.

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>>375610157
I gave up after they had me go round up toads for the 4th or 5th time.
At least with DT i was able to suck up the massive amounts of tutorials.

>>375612570
>get BTFO
>"d-d-doesn't count!"

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>>375612583
>her ass weighs as much as a fridge

>>375612702
>>375612768
They count, but they're shit. You can't say they're more fun than the ones SSS had. They're just things you already do normally (running, jumping, fighting, examining things) except with certain limitations.
SSS had actual different gameplay that could very well be a completely different game from the main game.

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>>375612583
>2-3 times the size of you
I'm not even vorefag but your post gives me some intriguing thoughts.

>>375611843
My nigga

>>375612869
So making timewasting undeveloped BS makes minigames better than giving you tasks that make use of the actual gameplay in new ways?

Glad you don't develop games. Stick to losing arguments on the Internet.

>>375612945
Size and vore are not the same fetish, anon. You can just cuddle up on her big, soft, watery lap.

>>375611885
>>375612583
Wtf I love Ever Oasis now

>>375613098
Let me guess, you also prefer when they don't make new characters and reuse classic Mario characters for the 100th time don't you?

>>375611078
>At face value I'm the pioneer of sprite based crossover fanfics.
Does he seriously believe this? Jesus christ

>>375606102
what's with the grey shit shadows?

>>375613241
Why would I prefer that? Let me guess you hate when Mario games use Mario characters, and don't focus entirely on OC donutsteels rather than the literal hundreds of enemies and characters that are rarely used in the franchise.

>>375610682
Paper jam's plot is the most boring barebones of all

>oh look it's paper mario and princess and toads
>oh no they got kidnapped
>let's go to bowsers hideout
>oh no they went to some other place
>let's go to that place then
>oh no they went to another place!
>lets go there then

Wash rinse repeat. Completely devoid of any reason to care or world building

They don't even do anything interesting with the paper concept besides the the third party member and those awful papercraft battles. Don't even get me started on how fucking abysmal those toad collectathons were

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Bro moves in Superstar: Neat combo attacks that only take a couple seconds to do. As you do them you can do modified versions with different button presses at different times

Bro moves now: Okay let's transition into another screen while you play a fucking shitty minigame for a minute to do some damage

Superstar Bro moves were perfect.

>>375613775
What about when the boys get captured and tossed in prison, and their ability blocks get removed so they can't fight, and you have to get them all back? What about the whole ghost house adventure? What about scaling the mountain and having to deal with King Bob-omb in a rough boss fight with a time limit? What about the 10/10 koopaling fights?

Oh, they don't count because then you would be wrong...

People play these garbage games? Seriously?

>>375613872
I liked re-enacting Sephiroth's Supernova.

>>375605739
Maybe the rumors of a Mario strategy game are actually real.

>>375613872
But those minigames are what make SSS great according to >>375612869

UH OH

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>>375614136
>Mario and Luigi games
>garbage

>>375614209
well you can't deny that the sequels have never been as good as the original

>>375612583
There's a disgusting lack of porn

>>375611885
yes

>>375614162
The Rabbids crossover? I doubt it would be developed by Alpha Dream anyway. Guess we'll see at E3.

>>375614280
This thread is about the original, though

>>375613872
the fact that you are making minigames sound worst than the old bro moves make you sound retard enough

>>375607381
Bowser's Inside Story has the better looking sprites.

>>375614280
I can. Because DT and BiS are better, and PJ is almost as good.

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>>375605739
So which one is better, SSS or BiS?

>>375614497
Only barafags prefer BIS. And people selectively overlooking its flaws.

>>375613247
Then who's the pioneer?

>>375614452
They are worse.

Bro Moves were fancy attacks based around the abilities they got throughout the game, in SSS.

now you do shit like play fucking tennis because you know that makes fucking sense.

I am looking forward to Ever Oasis

>>375605739

DEEPEST

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>>375614621
even I'm a barafag AND a fatfag and I prefer SSS

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>>375614636

>>375614065
>What about when the boys get captured and tossed in prison
What you mean that one tedious section where you were gimped by the game because removing your basic ability to fight is considered a "challenge"? That arbitrary excuse for an area that served no purpose besides padding? Boy that sure was fun. Hell, next time they should make it so that

>What about the whole ghost house adventure?
What are you even talking about? Are you getting your mariowiki copy pastes mixed up there buddy?

>What about scaling the mountain and having to deal with King Bob-omb in a rough boss fight with a time limit?
probably the only memorable part of the game with some decent puzzles. King Bob-omb only showed up at the end out of nowhere though and his battle was pretty gimmicky. Not bad, not good, just gimmicky. Wail on him until you can reset his clock then continue to wail on him

>What about the 10/10 koopaling fights?
You mean when the Koopalings show up out of nowhere and wail on you for a bit with the same attack patterns that are either complete bullshit or the easiest fucking thing in the world to predict? I sure love all the character development and purpose they served towards making the plot more interesting.

>>375614497
BiS is just worse DT. So I will go with SSS.

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>>375606621
Ironic shit posting is just shitposting, anon

>>375614795
>literally doesn't fucking remember segments of the game
>just claims they are all shit because they prove him wrong
I am done. You won't waste any more of my time.

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>spiking a fire Spirit Bomb
>purposely failing Thunder Bros to hit airborne targets and drop their defense
I hope they don't fuck this up, SSS is one of my favorite games and I've been waiting for a remake of it for a long time.

>>375611078
What a sad sack, does he want us to feel sorry for him?

>>375614771
He's right though.

>>375614795
>What you mean that one tedious section where you were gimped by the game because removing your basic ability to fight is considered a "challenge"?
Say it with me, bros.

IT IS ONLY WRONG WHEN PAPER JAM DOES IT

>>375615023
I think he wants us to stop asking for the next episode

>>375615016
be prepared to go into a minute long minigame of Mario and Luigi playing golf or folding paper planes

>>375614835
That Descartes quote doesn't really apply here because /v/ is already 99% made up of actual idiots and funposting is few and far between serious shitposting.

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>>375614636
This, it takes way too long to do a bro attack. In SSS, it kept it fast pace. Now it's a longer normal attack, and a huge time consumption to do a bro attack. Not only that, hammer is rarely used now and they got rid of fire and thunder gloves. I don't want to just jump on every fucking enemy.

>>375613872
I agree that the new Bro Moves aren't as good, but I'll take them being replaced with minigames over being replaced with items.

>>375611221
It's cause they actually made the sprites match the camera angle instead of a side view.

>>375613247
well he is for what it's worth

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Paper jam did nice on the fundamentals but they got lazy in other places. Lacked polish, and some parts felt rushed. It wasn't bad by any means but I doubt I'll ever replay it.

I don't really get the hate for bros moves outside of PiT. SSS did have these cool team attack animations and shit, but many if the newer Bros Moves aren't QTEs. I'd take minigames over QTEs most of the time. I actually think BiS and DT has better bros moves.

>>375614632

8-Bit theatre

>>375614959
If they were decent and interesting i would have remembered them now wouldn't I

The only thing i can think you might be talking about are the woods where King Boo shows up but i have no recollection of any ghost house in paper jam, and trust me, ghost houses are usually the more memorable parts of the M&L/paper mario games

>>375615045
I'm not talking about the other games i'm talking about Paper jam, and considering i haven't played any of the other games in at least 5 years I can't really comment on them

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>>375609825
Hey who knows. They made new sprites for PJ when they really didn't have to.

>>375615415
There was also no reason not to have Paper Luigi in the party. But he wasn't, because fuck you.

>>375615417
because it takes a bajillion years to perform them.

They're interesting but after the first 2 or three times you use them you just wanna get them over, especially because they aren't particularly challenging

At least the previous games kept them short and sweet

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>have tons of characters in the paper mario universe
>dont use any

>>375615501
>having four characters controlled at once would be confusing to new players!
>then why don't you just do it like PiT
>LALALALALALA NOT LISTENIIIIIIIING

>>375615452
Dude it looks great with outlines what the fuck why didn't we get that

>>375615580
"tons"

I played PiT years ago and remembered it being hard as fuck, the whomp boss especially took an eternity. But when replaying it recently it was a lot easier.

Anyone else?

>>375615580
Would have felt forced desu. Like DUDE MEMBER DOOPLISS LOL WELL HERE HE IS AGAIN BECAUSE.. LOL!

>>375615685
>Dooliss
who?

>>375615556
Then i guess where i differ is still finding them fun. I mean really, with that logic one could probably hate lengthy enemy attacks too.

>>375613872
Outside of the trio attacks and the toad bridge thing, they're actually pretty brief in Paper Jam.
They're not 5 seconds like in SSS, it's more like 10-15 seconds. Not significantly longer.

>>375615776
Paper jam does keep the enemy attacks quick most of the time fortunately but there are some enemy attacks that drag on.

>>375615642
I guess they wanted to make them look 3D.
I honestly have no idea.

>>375615446
>If they were decent and interesting i would have remembered them now wouldn't I
Apparently not.

>>375615452
BIS is the best. Everything after is shit.

>>375615642
probably to make it look more like storybook artwork

they're going to ruin it. nintendo can't do anything right anymore, it's like all they have left are a bunch of old completely out of touch fucktards with dementia fucking up every game. they've been dead to me for years. thankfully I still have my old copy of superstar saga on gba though.

>>375615580
>64 has maybe some characters that aren't dead villains that could work
>Thousand Year Door takes place in a distant land, and most of the good characters are gone or otherwise disposed of in a way that bringing them back would be forced
Don't you dare say to use the partners. That would make for a horrible story.

>>375615685
It would have been nothing to have Kammy instead of a Paper Kamek

>>375615631
You wanted Mario and Luigi to carry their Paper counterparts on their shoulders?

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>>375616020
I don't know why I didn't do the battle sprites for DT

What happened to all the great and talented people who worked on the original paper mario/m&l games? Did they just disappear? Where are they when you need them

>>375616045
Tell me about how Breath of the Wild is shit, anon.

>>375616121
MUGEN when?

>>375616104

She wasn't even in Super Paper Mario, why would she be in Paper Jam?

>>375611581
Is this the new Pokemon XD meme?

>>375616114
Fold 'em up, put 'em in their pockets. They did that with the Toads, why not?

>>375606102
did they always have tumblr noses?

A-DOODLE A-DAYDLE

>>375616150

The current Paper Mario games are being directed by the guy who came up with the art design for it in the first place.

>>375616150
I don't think Alphadream has changed much.

Can't speak for the Paper Mario team.

All I wanted from Paper Jam was Mr. L.
That's all I would've asked for from previous games. The only thing.
But because of you retards that answered the Club Nintendo survey saying SPM's story was shit, they'll never even remotely consider anything from that game again.

>>375616192

you have to buy physical dlc aka amiibos to get link's fucking outfit, they added a bunch of gay shit, there are 999999 easy as fuck boring temples, it's just incredibly underwhelming experience overall, would have been impressive to have something like it on gamecube but windwaker was much better.

>>375615417
You literally don't know what QTEs are. The phrase you're thinking of is "button prompt"

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>yfw they don't remix Popple's battle theme and just use the generic boss battle theme LIKE THEY FUCKING DID IN HIS DREAM TEAM CAMEO

>>375616503
It wasn't even us, it was literally just around 50 Japanese club nintendo members

>>375616503
The plot of Super Paper Mario was probably the one thing that kept me playing it. That really fucking sucks.

>>375616503
>answered the Club Nintendo survey saying SPM's story was shit
Not true, people didn't explicitly say it was shit, they just answered what they liked about the game without addressing the story at all (mostly because people copy/pasted answers for every survey they did).

what could they change for superstar saga? more content? Or maybe a sequel to it where you visit beanbean kingdom again

>>375616565
t. never played the game

>>375616753
make it much harder, adjust the peach escort mission so it's less annoying, do something about the beanstar hunt so it's not a bunch of lame minigames, completely redesign joke's end.

>>375615421
>8-bit theater
>Crossover
>Animated

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>>375616637
https://soundcloud.com/zoom-guy/robbie

>>375616565
>they added a bunch of gay shit
And yet you're posting in a thread about a game where Luigi cross-dressed as Peach and Bowser briefly became a tranny?

>>375616150
The original director / designer of Paper Mario works on the Fire Emblem TCG now. Super Paper Mario was the last one he was involved with.

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>we never are going to play this

I replayed SSS on Wii U, while using the in-built save state feature to always get the best results on the roulette

damn, the enemies get annihilated super quick if you do that, no wonder they made the roulette easier in the sequels, they actually assumed you'd get the best stat-ups consistently and design the enemies around that

>>375617291

I hate nintendo even more for not making this

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>>375617291
those word colors

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>>375617291

>>375610331
it's "ok", it's pretty bland but not bad, the final battle is alright too

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How good are the Mario and Luigi games?

I played superstar saga to completion as a kid and it was one of my favorite games, but for whatever reason never played another.

>>375610581
I have played it like 5 times, probably has some of the best pacing I've experienced in a game

DT on the other hand is padded to hell and back

>>375617704
I personally enjoyed both bis and pit very much, though dt was the one I hated.

>>375617704
PiT was mediocre.
BiS was fucking great.
Dream Team was good except for tutorials out the ass.
Paper Jam was good except for Toad hunts, and the Papercraft is objectively inferior to the Giant battles.

>>375617704
SSS is an absolute masterpiece.
PiT is cool.
BiS is excellent I remember the mess it was to get a working .nds with patches and all
Dunno about he rest.

>>375617704

none of the other ones were as good. I actually remember partners in time getting bad reviews when it came out, or at least people considered it a disappointment after superstar saga. bowser's inside story was a little better, then the rest were meh

>>375617704
Parterns in time is underrated as hell
Inside story is the best one
Dream team is great
Paper Jam is absolutely shit

>>375617704
They all build on it in every way. Both good and bad.

For example, let's take the bros moves. They're have more intricate inputs in later games, but until Paper Jam they can get very long winded and they don't have Advance modes anymore.

The games are longer with more interesting stories but sometimes the pacing takes a hit (most notably in Dream Team) and the minigames are still around and as shitty as ever (this is the worst in Bowser's Inside Story).

Music gets better in every game with a slight dip in Paper Jam.

They're worth checking out at the very least.

>>375618238
Oh and I forgot the tutorials are fucking bad throughout the whole series until Paper Jam. It culminates in Dream Team where it's the most notable because the game is fucking long and they don't let up until the last quarter of the game, but they're a problem in the first three as well.

Paper Jam fixes this.

Do the later games still give Mario a jumping attack bonus and Luigi a hammer attack bonus?

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I have enjoyed each game in the M&L series. I just play through with default equipment for challenge as there is admittingly not too much difficulty in later games.

>>375618371
What? Are you sure you're not getting your memories of Gear clouded?

>>375618238
>>375618362
>actual analysis that doesn't just devolve into "BIS is great let me pretend it's flawless, 3DS games are shit"
Am I still on /v/?

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>implying you didn't get hype as fuck during pic related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXYEBwu0qII&user=DeoxysPrimeX2

>>375618470
>there is admittingly not too much difficulty in later games.
Huh? Each game is harder than the last.
SSS is by far the easiest of the bunch.

>>375618615
i like that bowser learned his name be the end of the game. the fact that he remembers it in paper jam is great

>>375618598
Who the fuck said BiS is flawless? A lot of the same people that say the 3DS games are absolute shit say BiS was overrated, and the people that like BiS acknowledge its flaws.

>>375618615
That was the best Giant moment in the game.

>>375615642
probably some internal bullshit about how 3d>2d
nintendo is completely out of touch with what made them good

what's the best way to roll through SSS and make it brokenly easy?

>they just add amibo feature

>>375618615
The cinematics related to the giant battles really were the shit. I giggled like a retard during Giant Luigi vs Giant Bowser when Luigi grabs him by the tail and spins him SM64-style. Unfortunately Papercraft battles in PJ were much less choreographed, and I don't think the added gameplay focus of them was particularly interesting as a replacement.

>>375617291
Out of all the opportunities Nintendo hasn't grasped, this is definitely one of their biggest. It practically fucking writes itself and there's no way it wouldn't sell like fucking crazy. It's absurd that this still isn't a thing.

>>375618909
Game's already easy. I guess if you want a lot of coins you can use Coin Jump.

>>375618909
level up only power

>>375618909
Equip Great Force and Bonus Ring, then get pre-emptive strikes. You'll soon start wiping enemies out on the first turn if not with the pre-emptive strike itself and always get double EXP as a result. It sustains itself too since you level up more quickly and thus your attack gets higher and higher, letting you kill enemies on the first turn even more easily.

>>375607367
Spare cartridge space and they figured there'd be a few kids who'd only end up getting one of those Mario games so it was just a neat tie in.

Man that game got hard by the 5th stage or so.

>>375618909
mushroom gear increases attack based on how many mushrooms are in your inventory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWCqc12-VKc

>>375609493
No they don't dude. If you saw that shit in game it would look like ass. The point of the lack of outlines is to make them look pseudo 3D, to match the actual 3D world, while also allowing them to not look out of place in the 2D sections.

>>375619314
Paper Mario has outlines and it works fine.

>>375606274
This, I'm not supporting the game anyway, but those socks symbolize the slither of personality that Nintendo hadn't wiped away from the series at the time. It's amazing how well Superstar Saga was made, you'd think they'd want to bury the original game.

>>375619445
What does that have to do with anything?

>>375619614
Paper Mario is literally 3D environments.

>>375611843
Same

>>375619608
You couldn't see Luigi's socks in DT but Luigi had tons of personality in that game.

>>375619747
Doesnt count because it contradicts my nu-tendo narrative

>>375611843
This, having the bros swap positions was so good, now Mario is always the one to do everything.

>>375619810
Okay. Carry on then.

>>375619673
That is a completely different art style, you total mong.

>>375605739
>remaking SS
I wish I could be excited about this but they're probably going to fuck up everything about it.
>Bros. "items"
>Tutorials times 10
>even more padding
>making it easier

>>375619240
>Mario Bros. Classic
>5th stage
>hard
The 16th stage is when shit gets real.

>>375618615
giant battles were the best part of DT

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>>375606102
Mario's left foot looks kinda strange

>>375607381
BIS's Sprites looks mostly good but I will never forget how awkward the run animations are for the bros.

>>375618587
well I just started another playthrough on Wii U
damage against goombas at 16 POW: Mario 3, Luigi 2
Fawful: Mario 2, Luigi 2 (too high defense on Fawful to make a difference)
those Mario Bros. enemies in the next area: Mario 4, Luigi 3

It's gonna take a while till I get hammers, but I'm pretty sure I remember this correctly

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>>375611885
You don't.

You lust for the lizard that actually follows you by your side.

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>>375612782
This kills the anon.

>>375619445

Paper Mario has outlines to make the 3d models it uses look flatter because the sprites have shading.

Whereas Mario & Luigi try to make the 2d sprites appear 3d.

>>375619967
What game could this be?

>>375619905
How's 2013 treating you, anon?

>>375620037
Luigi just has lower attack at the start.

>>375620219
anon I checked the status menu, they both have 16 POW

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>>375620074
now you're speaking my language

>>375611078
>At face value I'm the pioneer of sprite based crossover fanfics

What is Bob & George?

>>375617291
Won't the game have a Miiverse page or a comments section in the eShop?

Maybe if everyone leaves their comment mentioning this, they will pick up on it. If there's enough voices, they will notice it to some degree.

>>375620439

What is me when I was 9 and opened up flash and threw chrono and sonic into it like millions of other CHILDREN

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>play the remake
>get to Starbeans
>make a brew
>E. Gadd comes in
>make a second brew
>yfw Olimar comes in

Why has no one mentioned the cut content yet? The better implement all the crossovers they scrapped for no good reason. Hey! Pikmin releasing soon gives them the perfect reason to shove Olimar in this.

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>he doesn't give Mario more POW/SPEED and Luigi more DEF/HP

>>375620674
>he needs DEF/HP
Luigi gets Stache and BP

>>375614497
SSS is best due to lack of handholding and tutorials, while being a solid game that can be recommended to anyone looking for fun and quirky adventures with minimalistic controls.

BiS was a novel concept, but it also brought all the things that have ruined the series and felt like it had too much padding due to jumping back and forth between both teams.

>>375620641
>why doesn't some mention the 2 second cameo cut content
I wonder why.

>>375620641
>cut content

wait whats cut?

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>>375611078
I would sympathize if he didn't scrap the series and throw his reputation away to do furry shit

>>375614461
It's also the best game because you can play as /ourboy/ Bowser

If they ever re-make PiT then for the love of all that is holy they better fucking not use Bowser Jr's sprite for Baby Bowser.

Did they not think we'd see the fucking Shadow Mario ask?

>>375619901
Paper Mario is literally in an ML game.

>>375620738
ah, my nigga! I go pow/bp and stache on both with speed increases every 5 levels.

>>375620738
I usually give Luigi more BP and Stache as well, I just like to keep things balanced when I can

>>375616565
>they added a bunch of gay shit
So you're 13, got it.

>>375621046
Yeah, and he's supposed to look fucking flat.

>>375621087
Luigi is way better has a DEF/HP tank, with BP to spare, turn Mario into a glass cannon with high ATK and Speed, and have Luigi back him up when able.

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What are some things that can actually be improved or you would like to see changed in SSSDX? (assuming buttmad fearmongering paper mariofags are wrong and the game stays true to its toadless creativity)

>>375621036
What? What game are you talking about with Baby Bowser with Jr.'s mask?

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TFW when god tier music won't such as Bowser's theme from PiT won't be remade since Nintendo only likes first entries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csn04brwS2E

>>375620674
>investing in DEF when you can just dodge everything
git gud

>>375621181
>Cackletta Soul in God Tier
>Regular Dark Star in God Tier
>Shroob Princesses in Great Tier
>Fawfuldome in Great Tier
>all this shit taste with Shit Tier
0/10

>>375619747
At the time, I said.
Those sterile ass models from 2002 that they still use to this day made me appreciate the hand-drawn artwork more.

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>>375621146
You can stop being retarded already, it looks objectively better with outlines on them.

>>375620739
>SSS is best due to lack of handholding and tutorials
it has them. The game is just shorter so it doesn't stick in your mind as much.

>>375621661
They look a little out of place tho
>>375621668
I hate stardust field for the tutorials

>>375621898
>I hate stardust field for the tutorials
Oh jesus christ yes that's the fucking worst.
Stardust Fields makes me hesitate to replay the game.

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>>375605739
>goomba ctf mode

i am ready

>>375607381
BIS was so fucking good, but theu fucked the artstyle hard

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>>375621661

Not him but you're wrong, it looks like P&DZ: Super Mario with the outline. No outline looks better.

>>375621898
>They look a little out of place tho
They look cartoony. i like it.

>>375621661
You forgot the anti-aliasing on the outlines.

>>375622043
>You forgot the anti-aliasing on the outlines.
oh never mind, I looked closer and they are AA'd.
The AA is a little too soft though

>>375621952
They did great on letting us skip the tutorials during the first battles, and makes it fun to replay, but the fact that those two generals show up twice and give 10 minute long tutorials is annoying, especially with the slowest pacing ever.

>>375621987
That uses black lines inside the character too, ML black lines are only around the outside.

>>375622153
i always found it interesting that the battle tutorials in all the games are optional but the overworld moves tutorials aren't

>>375611078
>Monty Oum died for literally nothing

This furry faggot should have died in his place life ain't fair, it just ain't.

>>375622153
>>375622324
You now remember that the hammer battle tutorial is unskippable and that if you tell the Hammerhead Brothers you don't need it, he calls you rude and forces you through it anyway.

>>375622324
Well they gotta make there games longer somehow right?

Remove tutorials and Dream Team goes from a 40 hour game to a 32 hour one

>>375622584
But in PiT you control all both present and past bros, no other game does this so you pretty much need to the tutorial
stillhateittho

>>375621661
They stick out like a sore thumb. It's bad.

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>>375622584
i remember now

>>375605739
>Bowser's Minions

Fuck yes, Nintendo finally realized the potential for this.

>>375622698
I was talking about SSS.

>>375605739
>Nintendo could have dropped a M&L game on us during E3 and it would be hyped as fuck
>Instead some data miner finds it first and spams it everywhere to spoil the surprise
>Now people will bitch and whine about the official reveal.
Data miners are cancer, they're like kids who open their presents before Christmas, and then open your presents too. Single handedly killed Smash hype in 2015 when they leaked Ryu and Roy.

This is why we'll never get something like the Naboo Starfighter again.

>>375623000
ah well in that case it was really there just to add time to the area.

>>375621181
>Putting the DT Junior boss fight in bad tier
Wow, that's literally not even true.

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will they return?

>>375611078
>wah i got stabbed in the back because people wanted to see me make awesome fight choreography instead of degenerate furry porn!
>wah i have mental issues and i decided to tell no one so instead of the fans EASILY donating me money to afford a therapis, I decided to keep it bottled in until the bottle bursted!
>wah it's all Nintendo's fault that I don't know how to do loopholes!
>wah woe is me my life is shit even though i have so many supporters and the means to fix my life but I just don't wanna, I wanna draw furry porn reeee!

this is why people commit murder.

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>Koopalings get expanded role

Good or bad?

NINTENDO WON

>>375623602
good since they felt like padding in SSS

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>>375619049
I have come from the future and can you tell you what happens.

>Nintendo actually makes it
>All the people who screamed for it to be made steals the game via piracy
>Casuals hate Wario and Waluigi so they don't buy it
>Worst selling Mario and Luigi game in the franchise
>/v/ bitches about people having shit taste or blames Nintendo instead of seeing they were the ones that fucked things up.

>>375621181
>a picture that spoils every boss in the game
stop

So how would you rate the music in each of the games?

>>375624031
PiT > BiS > SSS > DT > PJ

>>375623602
Good. They were great in PJ.
Alphadream/Treehouse knew what they were doing with those characters

>>375624517
Oh yeaaaaaah, that fuckfest before the final boss with them was reeaalll fun

>>375624031
DT = BiS > PiT > PJ > SSS

A lot of the overworld themes in SSS aren't that memorable. Aside from Beanbean Outskirts and Gwahar Lagoon they're kinda eh at best and flat out bad at worst (Joke's End).

Also nothing compares to Dreamy Somnom Labrynth

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How will they up the Wiggler boss to put it on par with the 3DS entries?

>>375607367
No eShop to sell it separately for $15 on, those were dark times

>>375624916
>Also nothing compares to Dreamy Somnom Labrynth
My nigga.

>>375617704
M&L2 is extremely short and linear.

M&L3 is a proper sequel to M&L1 but is full of mandatory minigames.

M&L4 is extremely slow-paced, but it has good presentation at least.

Paper Jam has good pace, but the presentation is godawful.

>>375625074
Wiggler horde. They still all comically come out of the same small fenced area where the berry is.

>>375623098
Maybe if Nintendo didn't take forever revealing games.

>>375625187
>M&L3 is a proper sequel to M&L1 but is full of mandatory minigames.
so just like the first one for the first 4 areas of the game

>>375625303
the M&L1 minigames are only for the beginning of the game though, and they're also more simple and short.

>>375625459
The beanstar hunt is like 70% minigames

>>375625459
actually, now that I think about it the only one that's not required is the surfing minigame.
there's a mandatory minigame at least every 2-3 hours which is on par with BiS

Still the best theme in the series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6M2xt_Ks4Y

>>375621898
>They look a little out of place tho
That's because they're the only things on screen with outlines.

>yfw they take Bowser's Shy Guy attack from BIS and use it in the Popple and Rookie fight

>>375616320
yes

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>>375605739
>tfw you've never played a Paper Mario
>tfw you loved every Mario & Luigi
>tfw Paper Jam was really enjoyable too
>tfw even Smash Bros recognizes M&L
>tfw you dont know what the pain of color splash & sticker star are but you know the joy of Dream Team and Bowser's Inside Story
best timeline
Best time line.

>>375611078

so he has the actual time to make more episodes but decides not to, fucking faggot he had talent

https://youtu.be/iY15AWqxlJ8?t=101

>>375611885
I see a mouth

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>>375627481
>tfw no M&L double character ala IC in Smash
Fuck me I've dreamed this since before Brawl

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>>375621181
>hurr durr muh paper mario boogeyman
You must be insufferable irl

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>>375627491

>11:31

>>375611885
Was there any other news on this game? I haven't heard much about it but I've been waiting to see if it goes up for order.

>>375627481
That's not even remotely how a timeline works, you're using the joke incorrectly.

>>375614621
I just love Fawful

>>375621181
How is that rock thing so low. From what I remember he was pretty amazing and his face makes it better

>>375611078
>32 year old virgin
>No one mentions he's become a wizard
This is why /v/ is truly shit.

>>375612393
With at least two more years of 3DS, I think it's safe to expect every handheld series to get at least one more 3DS game

>>375628260
The tier list is pretty shit. There's a lot of good bosses rated low

>>375628260
>>375628362
Make your own lad

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>>375615501
>Paper Luigi could have replaced Starlow ad actually have a better purpose than just being on the soundtest
OR
>Paper Luigi and Starlow could have bickered against one another like Dreambert and Starlow and Paper Luigi could have defended Luigi when Starlow was being a cunt

FUCK

>>375621181
I just realized this is missing the wigglers from BiS and DT

>>375618909
Superstar Saga is already insanely easy save for Joke's end. Easiest game in the series, by far.

>>375616063
Motherfucker Paper Mario is a fucking storybook, its literally just some dude reading about one of Mario's adventure's. Why would it matter if they're gone at the end of the story, when you can just grab them from the middle?

>>375610331
Paper Jam is like a parallel to Dream Team in that it fixes all of its faults but gets rid of all of its perks.

Paper Jam has absolutely zero padding, tutorials steer so clear of the spotlight that most players will go through the whole game without seeing a single one, the gameplay is massively fun without being complicated, and it rarely feels like a chore to play.

At the same time however, it has an incredibly bland story and setting, and the jokes aren't as laugh-out-loud funny as DT's. You'll groan during the credits as you see nothing but toads and goombas.

If the next game in the series combines both games' positives and takes out the negatives, we may have a true successor to BiS and SSS.

I realized writing this that Paper Jam actually has a fuckton of toad minigames that pad out the game immensely, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

>>375628260
>enjoying that fucking boss battle

Jesus christ man what kind of masochist are you

There was like 4 mandatory tutorials in PJ
>First Battle
>Paper Mario's battle mechanics
>Paper Toad shit
>Battle Cards

>>375629194
People exaggerate the influence of PJ's Toad minigames just like they do DT's tutorials though, the required ones add up to like 10 minutes every 3 hours.

>>375613872
>some damage
More like massive damage. The bro moves in SSS did some damamge seeing as it take the same amount of time for each game (minus PiT) to kill the bosses.

>>375617704
They're all good, but they have their flaws

>>375618909
Pretty much anything. You really shouldn't have an issue with anything in the game except for the final boss.

>>375613872
Bros Moves in PiT weren't that bad, it was just that it started the trend of using items instead of actual "Bros Moves" from the original.
>mfw you can kill each and every boss with one single attack because Bros Moves never end until you screw up the timing.
That was the stupidest idea ever. I could wreck bosses with Pocket Chomp.