Can we all agree music in Japanese Games> Music in Western Games?

>>375507141
>Can we all agree
No

no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE589HrGPkI

halo has better music than any japanese game ever made

>>375507525
hhahahaha

Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60FJDw9qcFk

>>375507141
>can we agree pay attention to me because I'm a weeb?
yea no

>>375507141
Yes, at least within the last 10 years. Western AAA fell for the Hollywood meme and made all their soundtracks generic as fuck. Only indie game OSTs are actually worth a damn.

>>375507141
No but we can agree Nier OST > Automata

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Name a more memorable western video game's song than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV-FvxoR1PQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV-FvxoR1PQ

Answer: You can't.

>>375507525
more like gaylo lol

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>>375507141
Yes we can
>>375507525
>Halo kiddies
El o el

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>>375507939
>Western AAA fell for the Hollywood meme and made all their soundtracks generic as fuck
This.
What makes it worse is that they do it on purpose, they actually believe music shouldn't be noticed because it's "distracting", fucking hell

>>375508049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5X69vREAg

Western devs have some examples of good soundtracks (Hotline Miami, Furi) but amount of high-quality japanese soundtracks beats them by a wide margin.

Obviously,not ambient shit like in Nier though

>>375508731
Do you even know what ambient means?

>>375507939
>at least within the last 10 years

Do you really want to compare the game soundtracks of japanese and western consoles or PCs before 10 years ago? Western composers were well know to be mostly hacks and it has gotten even worse.

>>375508731
>ambient
>Nier
Question mark?

>>375508731
>nier
>ambient music

?????????

>>375507525
you mean the same theme repeated over and over again

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>>375507907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya3yxTbkh5s

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>>375508731
>Nier
>Ambient

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>western vidya music in 1994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2HwH1JkAI

>japanese vidya music in 1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQQ5_4Wl1I

jap games ost always sound unique and recognizable

all western shit sound like Han Zimmer copycat

>>375507141
Nah, nothing beats Homeworld OST (by Paul Ruskay) and anything by Frank Klepacki. I dig Ace Combat soundtracks tho.

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>>375507141
Hi

>>375509504
Nobody expects western soundtracks to be catchy,they need to be something that fits and stays on the background like in a movie.

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>>375507141
I'd give it to Japanese games in general, but there are a few stand-out OSTs here and there for Western titles.

>>375507141
No.

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So what's the genre of this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYSvX6uLC0Q

Shame outside Japan, he's only known as the composer for FFXIII though.

>>375509884
>So what's the genre of this song?
The composition's very reminiscent of south american Jazz music.

>>375509624
>they need to stay on the background
That what makes them generic
>like in a movie
But these are video games though, i'm the one who's playing, do you exercise with generic music? no, you want something to pump you up, same for games.
Well except if you're watching a cutscene i guess

western devs do licensed music better

>>375510131
I agree with you,i'm just saying that boring filler music is what the modern western gaming audience wants.

being a composer for video games is a good way to get instant gratification from losers with shit taste.

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>>375509861
Indie Developers aren't afraid to be more creative with their soundtrack.

why are japanese composers the only composers that experiment, break conventions for the sake of creativity and take risks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm17vgmh854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FktBGXUWloM

>tfw you need to make a shitpost to start a thread these days

>>375509602
Something akin to smooth Jazz mixed with some orchestral music would be my guess.

>>375510252
Oh shit, /mu/ is here
He's gonna start putting links to Belle and Sebastian songs, we're doomed

>>375510438
Because you end up with shit like you posted.

>>375509861

then post one because bastion shit surely isnt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2Myb-zO7k

Why does Japan actually do it better

>>375507390
>>375507461
>>375507525
>>375508004
In Western music, quality composed music is the exception, not the rule. That's because the West still hasn't accepted vidya as something worthy of high art.
In Japan they've legitimized vidya which is why almost every Japanese soundtrack has incredible attention to detail in every composition.

>>375510578
>i suck dick every day
Good for you

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>>375510438
>>375510438
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FktBGXUWloM

The first time I heard this I had my volume up really high and 1:19 raped my fucking ear drums.

>>375510667

Nah i don't play western indie shit. Enjoy hipster and nu human dick anon.

>>375510621
I mean, that's just generic easy listening music. Not bad but nothing that stands out at all.

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>expert composers hired to make videogame music and often working in groups compared to hollywood rejects and indie fags that are stuck making NES music

How is it even a fair comparison?

Holy trinity of video games soundtracks:

Nier
Chrono Cross
Xenoblade

All Japanese.

>>375510438
this isn't experimental at all

fuck japs get their dicks sucked so hard for doing nothing

>>375510852
I don't get why people shill the Nier soundtrack so much. It has a few interesting tracks but that's about it.

https://youtu.be/0xr8Jbm099E?list=PLFE5061553E17B1BC

Based EA

>>375510438
>Evergrace
pls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGJbuHUbw8k

>>375510897
Same a single vidya soundtrack that resembles Evergrace's soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGJbuHUbw8k

The only soundtrack I'll accept being similar is Drakengard but even then Drakengard's soundtrack is pretty experimental in its own right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSwX2lRns0

>>375508692
>>375508385

This pretty much.

>>375507141
Anyone who says no would have to be an ignorant hussy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUc_t3i4qwE

No doubt

>>375510852
more like holy trinity of "i don't listen to much video game music but let me tell you what's the best video game music"

i agree the best soundtracks are japanese though.

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>>375508731

>>375510438
>Ar Tonelico

Why do Japanese devs like using made-up languages for the soundtrack?
like Nier, Drakengard, Xenosaga, or the prayer song from FFX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1GtMiKXE_E

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>>375507141
>Japanese lyrics

>>375511289
There's a good quote from Shawshank Redemption about it:
>I have no idea to this day what those two Italian ladies were singing about. Truth is, I don’t want to know. Some things are better left unsaid. I’d like to think they were singing about something so beautiful, it can’t expressed in words, and it makes your heart ache because of it

I would say Japanese music is more interesting but generally not as "beautiful" and immersive. Though that is mostly just because western devs use more classical orchestras and less electronic stuff.

All in all they are about as good and what matters more is making it fit into the actual game well.You know, like MGR's music on it's own is pure trash but it works and fits so god damn well in the actual game it ends up being amazing.

>>375511263
My VGM collection is +50GB of v0s or ~250 soundtracks, discounting +30GB of touhou stuff.

Dude Japan sucks! Japanese is such an ugly language! Fucking weebs amirite?? Am I cool already guys, can I join the cool dudes club??

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>>375510962
10/10

>>375511289
Using existing language will sound a certain way. What if that is not something you want to have in your song but you still want to use lyrics/human voice as a instrument? Just use made up language that sounds like you want to.

Basically, it's just another tool for the composer to use without being restricted to existing languages.

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>>375511657
>this music is quite interesting

>>375511943
That's an image anon not music.

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>>375511289
>Chronicle Key
Best song in AT1

Ar Nosurge also delivered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBGNIZ-KL90

>>375507939
Cause orchestral music has become easy and cheap, and western games tend to aim for a cinematic feel. Japanese games till fill more gamey, and so the soundtracks have that tradition of catchy melodies.

>here's my favourite game music
>posts mainstream trash

Biggest sign of being a terminal case pleb

>>375511657
If music is good it doesn't matter if it fits or not,a lot of retro games have music that doesn't fit but if it is nice it only enhances the experience.

>>375511657
This is objectively wrong, Japanese soundtracks use orchestras more often whereas western composers use more shitty texture electronica
See the shitty Doom soundtrack. No substance.

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Is this a stealth "post vidya music you fucking faggots" thread?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD7nyfIebkg

>>375512210
This also weong, orchestras are not fucking cheap. It's not cheap to hire 50-100 performers and rent a performance space.

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>>375512276
>Yasui
my nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXLGQ-1cmwE

>>375511657
>not as beautiful or immersive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbVEmzY5S4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Qkzj5bStU

>>375512276
Yousuke Yasui is the best videogame composer/arranger that we have around today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCewj5nsSSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aySHtBGoLYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnglHtx3kTI

>>375510852
Xenogears > Xenoblade

>>375507141
Generalizations are for chodes.

>>375512539
Explain in musical terms why they are

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>>375507141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHqmOUeS-5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrK38oy4I0w

>>375512212
Music is music. Of course it makes the experience nicer overall, but a well placed tune is more powerful than even the most masterfully crafted tune that doesn't really fit I think.

>>375512215
Perhaps. I guess we play different kinds of games.
>>375512478
Those are indeed beautiful. But we can't really measure it in individual tracks.

>>375507141
After listening to over 1000 sountracks (lost track after 800) I'd say it's generally the same amount of quality with a larger edge in Japanese games. Mostly because killer music shows up on top sellers in jp games where the good western stuff isn't in any genre that's going to be advertised through anyone but the fans.

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>>375512689

>>375512375
Most orchestral music is made with advanced sampling software. Even when real instruments are used, we are talking about one or two recording sessions for soloist, mixed with layers and layers of muffled software instruments. Very few games get a full orchestra.

>>375512920
Proving my point, thank you...

>>375512828
The entire Soulsborne and Ace Combat series's OST are like that

There's also Drakengard-Nier, Final Fantasy, etc. I think most JRPGs use a lot orchestra with the exception of SMT and Pokemon

>J-Pop, J-Rock, J-Rap, etc...
>Literal garbage.
>Japanese video game music
>Lots of variety, try to fit the settings, memorable and sound good.

Can someone explain this?

Some of the most beautiful things from vidya comes from Gust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1GtMiKXE_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWKSfdo9DT8

Undertale

>>375513212
The first one sure but the second is just bad.

>>375507141
On a game-by-game basis, this is usually true. There're plenty of garbage Jap OST's, though.

Nier of course is one of the best examples of Japanese vidya music, but I feel /v/ doesn't give Western composers a fair shake at all because they either don't play Western single player games, or only play PC autism simulators which either don't have music, or in which the music doesn't matter.

I'd say the Western equivalent to Nier's OST is actually found in The Last of Us. Completely different style, subdued and subtle instead of grandiose and in your face. Gustavo Santaolalla really outdid himself with getting into the setting and tone of the game. In fact, the OST was the primary reason I ever enjoyed the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwDkutphzmU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXcnsJ3geMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV8sY2Xv3Os

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o_RwQysgA8

When i think of videogame music this is the kind of stuff that pops out in my mind
>>375512276
>>375512539
not
>>375512478
>>375512775

>>375511289
AT's Hymmnos is actually pretty damn insane since they went and crafted a language that is a fully working language.

I'm really pissed Gust has just ditched the Exa Pico universe and hate that they've gone full /u/ pandering.

>>375511596
>>>/reddit/

Does Bemani / rhythm game music counts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjHZIYpprQA

>>375513470
So basically you like energetic OST? Nothing wrong with that bud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFhXPvElNZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGORm3P0F1w

No, because the west has Ari Pulkkinen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEA74hDRr24

/v/ thinks MGR:R has the best soundtrack in vidya history. Don't take anyone in this thread seriously.

No. The thing is that most beautiful pieces are played constantly because they fucking paid a lot do them so they can get a little annoying to the player.

Can't talk about Jap vidya music without obligatory falcom circlejerking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-HbPWOFOWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_boQocwIbw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c63Szu2SOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT0WpdrCJYE

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>>375513598
>went and crafted a language that is a fully working language
Don't forget that they added a "programming" language as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47r2VvjwWDE

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>>375513896
>Finns
>Western

Japan is more consistent, but the west have made some excellent soundtracks too, below being the best example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSoPiffmSYU

>>375514002
>the most beautiful piece in WoW's OST was originally only played on a single tiny island with a single short quest on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WdZIEtLGQo

>>375513462
This post gave me cancer

>I feel /v/ doesn't give Western composers a fair shake at all because they either don't play Western single player games

I'm sure that most /v/ plays more western games than japanese ones

>>375511657
>I`m a retard and have no idea what I´m talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Ve8OxUPLg
You should go back to your Skrillex.

>>375511596
>>I have no idea to this day what those two Italian ladies were singing about. Truth is, I don’t want to know. Some things are better left unsaid. I’d like to think they were singing about something so beautiful, it can’t expressed in words, and it makes your heart ache because of it

That makes sense. Same for GiTS using an ancient Japanese language for the theme song though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0z08OpmEPc

It's actually a wedding song but even the Japanese people can't see it from what they can hear in the song.

>>375509504
Because you don't hear all their fucking influences and alternatives every fucking day like you do in here you fucking dumbass.

People praise my countries music like hell but I almost despise it since I grew up hearing every fucking variation of what make those genres good on other people eyes.

>>375513462
But the autism sims have some of the nicest of the western music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDHOPqbVpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYN2P3E06s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gUTV1K_JlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZusMsF0a-8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9JVqjT2nZU

>>375514121
I can't wait for the inevitable power up song in GE3.

>>375513598
>crafted a language
No retard Tolkien crafted a language what Gust did was simple obfuscation of the japanese language

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>>375514097
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c63Szu2SOg

is this the main battle theme for the third? It's going to feel strange to battle things without groovy jazz playing

>>375514241
This is one of the few good things of a large game. You find those little treasures that one or two devs hid full of love for it.

>>375512215
>Doom soundtrack
>No substance

It fits perfectly with what is going on on the screen, though. Doom is supposed to be a non-stop violence fest, and the music accentuates that with the overbearing beats and guitar.

It's not much when listened on its own (though still enjoyable if you are a fan of industrial-ish metal) but it is tailor made for the experience that Doom delivers.

>>375514361
At least post a good example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmlxgt8hx7E

>japan does a orchestral soundtrack
>blows the west the fuck out for all eternity

There was no competition,not in the 80s,90s and not today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNl4PNFubvQ&list=PL54DB870D10722767

>>375512539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Zi69r6czc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-7OHhVUOdA

>>375514750
Then stop posting this shitty generic Touhou like shit that sounds like any other electronic Japanese song and something good instead. You give Japanese music a bad name.

>>375507141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frRQ0B7b9RI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhVk4Q47cgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axT_RojfaRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbVEmzY5S4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUpkaXA80tA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDAa-JkkOPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5xZbJDZZo4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV26zIE0130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx0fKrf5Wr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9xTQCq9rg

To answer your question OP, I definitely do feel like Japanese devs do put a lot more thought into their games as a whole, and one aspect that receives much more care is certainly the soundtrack. Sure, western games like Journey, Myst, The Elder Scrolls, BioShock or Prince of Persia also are capable of delivering on that aspect, but they are the exception, not the rule. When the Western devs will really start seriously taking games as a form of artistic expression, then the soundtracks (and all the other elements that make up a game) will automatically be given more care. I honestly hate the fact that the society I live in rejects a medium that is clearly capable of going much, MUCH, further than just the shitty mainstream games you keep on hearing about. Okami, Silent Hill 2, Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, Journey, NieR, SOMA, BioShock, Drakengard, Bloodborne, Dear Esther, Steins;Gate, Myst, and many others are all proof of that artistic opportunity given by games.

>>375513196

to >>375514418

>>375514750
it's shit, ADHD constant stimulation music (like most video game shit). No tension building at all, just constant "epic" sounds.

>>375514953
t.Nierfag

>>375515042
Yeah no. I think the Nier soundtrack is one of the most overrated ones in all of gaming.

>>375515041
t.Movie lover

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZU6XyFxCA0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDFHmZkXr64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StLLp4Jgw2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ij0eebp1zw
>Kirill Pokrovsky is dead

>>375515041
>tension building

Are we still talking about videogames? Because tracks that last 6 minutes and have 5 minutes of build up are the most anti-game thing that can ever happen,not surprisingly they are everywhere in western stuff.

>>375514953
>>375515041
>>375515042
>>375515089
Music threads are supposed to be comfy, keep your pseudo-elitist bullshit on /mu/.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CGMk_roNaE

Japan cannot into SYNTHWAVE

>>375515310
>Music threads are supposed to be comfy
Then how come none of them ever are?

>>375515041
>tension building
This is video games anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6AuvA-tl3Y

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>>375507141
Schubert > Paul Romero > Hiroshi Miyauchi > Hirokazu Ando > Jun Ishikawa > Strauss II > DEKU > Ken Nakagawa > Pachelbel > Tonnor > Jirurun > Bach > Robert Euvino > Rick Wakeman > Jeremy Soule > Tamayo Kawamoto > Jun Maeda > Beethoven > Grieg > Chopin > Debussy > Hirokazu Tanaka > Shinji Orito > Konami Kuheika > Tomoko Sasaki > Vaughn Williams > Glenn Stafford > Richard Jacques > Masato Nakamura > Koji Kondo > Hiroki Kikuta > Yoko Kanno > Brahms > Chris Hulsbeck > Kenji Ito > Tsukasa Masuko> Falcom sound team > Jeff Lynne > Yoko Shimomura > Tokuhiko Uwabo > Sibelius > Mozart > Tchaikovsky > Ravel > Hitoshi Sakimoto > Tatsuyuki Maeda > Naofumi Hataya> Masafumi Ogata > Hisayoshi Ogura > Yasuaki Fujita aka BunBun > Masashi Hamauzu > Magome Togoshi > Hitoshi Sakamoto > 70s Genesis > King Crimson > Yasunori Mitsuda > Capcom sound team > Nobuo Uematsu > Koichi Sugiyama > Gentle Giant > Mikiya Katakura > Kevin Schilder > Bobby Prince > Jethro Tull > Daisuke Ishiwatari > Masanori Hikichi > Miyoko Takaoka > Brad Buxer > Yuzo Koshiro > Alexander Brandon > Tim Follin > Emerson, Lake & Palmer > Takanori Arisawa > Rush > Masaru Setsumaru > Motoi Sakuraba > Frank Klepacki > Shade > ZUN > Vivaldi

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Only japs make the stylish fun songs with engrish lyrics.
The more over-the-top they are the funnier it is.
Western stuff can be great in very rare games but looking at my playlists it's 80% japanese games

Examples of good Jap music that include lyrics:
https://youtu.be/K0007Opolxs
https://youtu.be/0TEdQgHPhJ4
https://youtu.be/vGUaVZN2ttw
https://youtu.be/9lx7w1dNs5Y

Examples of good western music:
https://youtu.be/CB4v9_rYqnc
https://youtu.be/5sY1fYA1nGg
https://youtu.be/fSxZgFSr-IQ
https://youtu.be/5SHOvWhti98
https://youtu.be/v_JAnho9JRw

>>375515384
I think you might be the common thread.

>>375515089
I think so too. I especially hate nondescript singing in fictitious languages. You take that out and it starts to sound like 80s new-age music most of the time.

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>>375515360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-awWHKaAgzg

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>>375515451
What the fuck.

>>375515475
Or you know, not making the thread inviting a bunch of east vs west bullshit

>>375507141
Better games too.

>>375509449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxGzsJKg8zw
post the real version faggot

>>375515451
>no Shogi Meguro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UEH3A3mqi8

If Dragon's Dogmas sountrack is anything to go by it's both are capable of doing something damn good no matter where they are from.

>go to VGMDB
>95+% of the artists there are japanese

Really makes you think

>>375515681
>not posting the original DOS version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thEbQkcjUWk

>>375510852
>Xenoblade
You will know our names, Gaur plains, Unfinished battle and main menu theme. Nothing else really stands out.

>>375515289
tension can be built in the middle of a track, it could even be 15 seconds of it. not hard to grasp. but yeah, video game music is garbage because it doesn't have any of that.

real glad I stopped listening to all that baby shit after high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpK8B1dSCoU

>>375515012
Excellent taste in both games and OSTs.

>>375515832
So it was just bait,nevermind.

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>>375508228
That wasn't even one of the better ff soundtracks. And what's up with Freya's face in that picture?

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>>375507525
That's not really fair though. Halo's music destroys pretty much every other western game's too. Especially in terms of audio direction, not just composition. Marty's little tricks in musical implementation with the Halo series are genius, and sufficiently far above pretty much every other composer out there. There are other composers who make tracks just as good as Marty (Keiichi Okabe, Jack Wall, Gareth Coker, etc.) but don't implement them nearly as well. Similarly others implement tracks really well (Micheal McCann) but aren't as strong in terms of individual composition. Marty's the jack and master of all trades. Ambient weirdness, bombastic orchestra, and effortless mixes of all of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egEB8BGnnHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN3JF5imdbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-TX95TVHQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4e07-vKQA

>>375509197
You just described every AAA western game soundtrack

>>375515832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEqDtbC3bL8

Will there ever be another video game song that has a better buildup?

ffxiv holds the Guiness World Record for most original compositions for a video game, with 384 songs

I actually enjoyed few Drakengard tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8hMuCAY54o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC-55ZEmoKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orsYBMvYqmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOFd-blyVS0

>>375514279
>he thinks /v/ doesn't have a massive hard on for Japanese vidya
Cute, but wrong.

>>375515994
And every Japanese soundrack.

Or every soundtrack.

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What other games feature spanish guitar in their soundtracks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG77HTdreh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k1OsApDSIw

>>375515927
>ambient and orchestral
>good

All that information for nothing

>>375516040
If you have a modicum of taste you should realize that japanese videogames were always superior,especially in the current year where games are really easy to find and play.

>>375516027
I love this soundtrack. If only more companies and composers were willing to take the risk of making something this original.

I find that western music tends to fit the atmosphere of the game better, even if it isn't as grandiose or meticulously crafted as japanese music.

For example, here are two songs that are supposed to convey pretty much the same atmosphere, a brief respite from the horrors you have to face while playing the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHHkt7DQKwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EISe-WdZYE

I can't speak for everyone of course, but I feel like the track from Bloodborne sounds more like a very long intro to another song, like it is constantly building up towards a crescendo that never comes, while the track from Darkest Dungeon is much clearer in its purpose.

Why can't Western composers create a song like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNJJ-QkZ8cM

>>375516116
Only the greatest song ever made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0xId_3wIIQ

Yes. The only decent AAA ""western"" game to have recently produced good music is The Witcher 3

>>375516134
I didn't really give any info aside from my opinion (if you want to read the nitty gritty stuff look up some of his interviews or test videos). Why is ambient and orchestral immediately bad again?

>>375515886
He's right, you know.
>inb4 I like it so it's good!
Luckily that shit doesn't work too well in regards to musical pieces. Centuries of tradition really provides for a good base fpr the objective analysis of music.
It is how we can say that, without a doubt, the music from the new Zelda is inferior to the previous games in almost every way.

>>375516276
Tristram theme gives literally the same vibe but without giving you ear cancer.

>>375515564
>No east vs west bullshit
>on /v/
Cmon, lad. You know better.

>>375516274
Darkest Dungeon music there reminds me of parts of one of the Medal of Honor soundtracks, neat.

>>375516429
Its anti-videogames,that kind of stuff that i would be extremely happy to leave to movies.

Someone please post a piece of Western music that is good. Just one.

>>375516274
I generally prefer western music and haven't played either game but I'll have to go with the Bloodborne on this one. That one actually sounds like calm mournful rest. The DD one sounds a bit too "epic". More like a journey through a dark land rather than rest.

>>375516027
Probably the best experimental OST in all of vidya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgvPqL2dSs

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>>375512130
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBGNIZ-KL90
>that translation
RIP Origa

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>>375516276
Pokemon in general is a bastion of videogamey soundtracks.
Staying on handheld allowed them to use superior soundchips.
Only Sun and Moon went for a more modern style and it succeeded as well save for the route themes

https://youtu.be/6PbnT0x0e5I
https://youtu.be/1RRFoVhotwg
https://youtu.be/IBogFM3SQG4

>>375516625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X-WjFOedMk

Jap game music died in the 90s.

They all use the same shitty minor harmonic scales and ripoff what Malmsteen did 50 years ago.

>>375516625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJD-Ufi1jGk

Love when music incorporates the story and themes from the game in some way.

>>375516274
but that Bloodborne track was composed by... Ryan Amon

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Jap game music died in the 90s.

They all use the same shitty minor harmonic scales and ripoff what Malmsteen did 50 years ago..

>>375516274
I get what you mean but I liked that particular theme on Bloodborne. Feels like it has something off but can't really tell what. Not a music expert but I think it maybe has an odd tempo.
I think that makes it very eery while calming at the same time.

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>>375516605
Ambient soundtracks are anti video games? Dude, I just posted like 4 mission suites, each with vastly different instrumentation and tone which wouldn't come close to fitting into a movie (if they would, find me some movie tracks which sound like them? I'd love to hear them). If these 4 tracks are "anti video games," then so is every track composed for the NieR franchise.
It's hilarious stepping into these threads. Marty's literally renowned for being one of the most unorthodox composers out there and in here he's apparently generic?

>>375507141
Yes, mainly because western AAA OSTs are usually generic background filler, just like most movie OSTs are.
Western OSTs become better the further down you go in budget. Some AA games have decent soundtracks already, many indies have amazing ones.

Good AA songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNF2s6fNsws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kur41flzdQ

Good indie songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh5UH_7OUZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbzA6lX84xM

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lol no

>>375516930
Still probably according to Miyazaki's vision, which would make it a japanese soundtrack.

>>375516845
Actually Morrowind is a bad example as the whole soundtrack is just flutes and strings. In a setting with a tribal culture that uses wind chimes the whole OST dosen't feature even one real instrument that was actually featured in the game setting. Sure it has catchy compositions but the soundtrack dosen't catch the setting in the slightest. Witcher 3 would be a better example as it's instrumental and thematic pallet changes per region.

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I think I grew up playing more Japanese games than western games, so I'm biased, but I would say on the whole Japanese games have more memorable soundtracks.

That said, to say no western games have good soundtracks is utterly asinine.

Jesper Kyd, Martin O' Donnell, David Wise, Jake Kaufman, etc do really great stuff.

>>375516993
Ambient is the most generic music that you could ever find,like there is no other genre that even comes close outside of your typical orchestral stuff.

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>>375516274
Man, Darkest Dungeon has a superb soundscape. The combination of the visual design, the narrator and the music gets your blood pumping every time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMXy3mYzkws

>>375516714
While this translation is in fact retarded, it makes more sense in game context than original.

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>>375508049
Fuck, I'll need to replay it again just for the music.

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>>375516625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_mJmvQ5b9A

There are soundtrack that are generally hated like the FFXII one for example. People say it's generic while in fact it's probably the most complex and layered soundtrack ever used in FF the problem is it has no catchy tunes and lacks the instant gratification Uematsu composed tracks had.

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>>375510578
You know, I've legit never seen anyone dislike Bastion's music. First time for everything.

>Japanese Castlevania soundtracks
>every one is at least good aside CV64 but hey fuck the N64 even though they had a shit ton of different composers
>Western Castevania soundtracks
>its copy pasted generic trash

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>>375517297
Ambient is a blanket term that can encompass thousands of distinct styles, not a genre. I suppose instead of "ambient" I could've said "atmospheric" but both go hand in hand. Every game has ambient music- the fact that it can play for so much longer and set the mood is one of the most interesting parts about the medium as opposed to film. And calling "orchestra" bad or automatically generic is ridiculous too.
There's nothing generic or "movie-like" about what Marty composes. Everything- bombastic or not- is designed to match an overall emotional tone, and to complement the action in a game.

>>375517142
Maybe the flute but there are a fuckload of stringed instruments all over the place in Morrowind.
Not to mention Morrowind isn't a predominantly tribal society anymore and haven't been for centuries and has been undergoing a "westernization".

But mostly I was just referring to the heartbeat drums in the theme and not the entire Morrowind soundtrack.

>A Japanese composer into a Black music
>Black people accept it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yYf-tV79tQ

Never expected this to happen.

>>375517769
Catchy tunes > complexity

>>375517896
PS2 CV soundtracks were the pinnacle of the series. Michiru Yamane's talent was really held back by shitty sound chips on the handheld systems.

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>>375515887
She has a legit amazing theme
https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2rlLC4N9u4

>>375517769
>le instant gratification

The best and most remembered music in history was also catchy,no matter what genre it was.

I still haven't found menu music in the japanese game industry that can make me cry like this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXcWxw7UHME

Who is the best western composer and why is it Jesper Kyd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyykU4GwSDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9geXVAOFDg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQg9FrltmTE

>>375517928
Followup: If you think ambient or orchestral tracks are automatically bad, let me point you to some Eastern tracks you're saying are bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhAOQnFKgrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLX6reRrD88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDOaX6OHig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA614N3IHD4

>>375518105
Show me a classical music piece that's 5 notes repeated into infinity. Because that's what catchy vidya is.

>>375518152
Jeremy Soule is better

>>375514525
Are you an idiot? In what way does the [Emotions]-[Verb]-[Object] and [Emotions]-rre-[Verb]-[Object] structures, the Emotion Verbs from the Pastalie dialect, the Binasphere Chorus and Emotion Keeper syntaxes, or the Pact Words structure from Emotional Song Pact resemble the [Subject]-[Object]-[Verb] structure used by Japanese?

Saying that it's a mere obfuscation of Japanese is the height of ignorance and stupidity.

Yes, Japan has been and always will be superior to anything and everything Western. Why would we need another one of these threads when everyone has already agreed with the objective fact that Japan creates the greatest media known to man? There hasn't been, and there never will be another community or civilization who can live up to the standards of creating animation appealing to lonely isolated jobless virgins, the high levels of suicide due to being overworked, or for their shitty weaponry which shatters when put up against any Western steel. Japan is literally perfect.

>>375518105
B-but vidya music is supposed to be 7 minutes of nothing,you just don't understand!

>>375518219
They are not memorable,they could be replaced with something else and nobody would mind.

>>375518370
Catchy vidya music tends to be shorter but the 5 notes argument is completely flawed unless we are talking about gameboy music or something on that level

>>375513598
Three fully working languages, in fact, leaving aside the C-like REON-4213, which can be used as a proper language despite being more suited to programming, and Carmena Foreluna and Ar Ciela, which don't have a proper grammar or vocabulary.

>>375518370
We get it, you don't enjoy music but use it as a vehicle to feel superior.

>>375518527
>Yes, Japan has been and always will be superior to anything and everything Western.
Nope.

>>375507141

No, if you think that then you're weeb trash.

Some games from each area have meh music and some have superb music.

Stop generalizing, you weeb trash.

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>>375518527
You sound butthurt.

>>375511289
Most of these languages are just nice-sounding gibberish or heavily twisted Japanese. So far, only a few games like the Exa Pico series or Dragoon Panzer Saga have actual, fully constructed languages that can be learned and used.

>>375518152
For me it goes Jeremy Soule>Andreas Waldetoft>Inon Zur

The Guild Wars and Oblivion soundtracks are some of the most amazing things I know.

>>375518716
Stop being a moderate faggot,faggot.

>>375518629
>They are not memorable,they could be replaced with something else and nobody would mind.
I remember them. I think a lot of people were really mad when barely any of the original Halo themes showed up in Halo 4. I see a lot of people talking about their favorite music in Bloodborne (which was almost entirely orchestral). Same with DC and RE. Certainly you also haven't missed the NieR threads, considering we're in one right now?

>>375518629
>RE Save theme not memorable
I don't care about your silly little argument but that was too fucking far anon.

>>375518151
>crying to fucking Halo

Neo-/v/.

>>375518847

Found the conservitard.

>>375518105
You have no idea what you're talking about, faggot.

>>375507141
Japan doesn't have Jeremy Soule, Sam Hulick nor Jerry Martin

>>375518862
Its not my fault if the majority of people tend to have bad taste

>>375518913
It is somehow memorable because it is a short but well made loop,ambient shit like in Bloodborne where the tracks last for five minutes each its just horrid.

>>375518518
Ok it's simple tell me the root for the word meaning Singing in Hymnoss. How it evolved into what it's used in the game. You can't becouse it's just a arbitrary word that just happens to mean "Sing" becouse the creators said so? Than I'm sorry that's not creating a language it's just obfuscation.

>>375519086
But they do have a blind guy with a ghost writer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q

>>375519102
So here's a question for you (and the other people here saying CE-Reach had bad or generic soundtracks): Have you ever played Halo?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=408tWOubRDM

>Western composer makes one of the best vidya OSTs ever
>the game uses 1% of it
>composer doesn't really do much for anything else since
>got to compose for a triple A game but it was only for the shitty pay2win portion of it

What the fuck man.

>>375519273
Or was he deaf? Can't remember.

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>>375507461
>>375507141
Well...

>Halo by Rosie O'Donnell
>Diablo by Matt Uelmen
>Guild Wars and Morrowind by Jeremy Soule
>Hitman, AC1, Freedom Fighters by Jesper Kyd

These are some of my favorite OSTs.

Hell, recently Elite: Dangerous OST blew me away, despite the game being complete shit. The Frameshift suite especially, obviously inspired by Gustav Holst's Planet suite, which makes it a nice fit with even Morrowind music, which shares the inspiration.

Japanese music just sounds quite generic in general. Though year, Nier and NierA are something entirely other, but that aside, any nip music just seems to be pulling from the same three sources of inspiration the whole country seems to have.

>>375518657
Are you seriously comparing Toccata and Fugue to hypnotizing shit pop artists make?

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>>375507141
>japanese games
are talking about weeb shit/ current gen jrpgs that closely follow the style of anime? Then no, music is shit in these games.

However Id say historically japanese games pay more attention to sound, effects and music in games than western devs, especially sony since ps2 era (because it could reproduce dolby and other hi def formats) and probably sony pushing for that (but then this applies to both western and japanese games on sony consoles).

Not sure about xbox, but music, sound in pc games is literally meme tier aka import your own playlist because we cant be bothered to hide sound engineer

>>375519335
No because i have taste

>>375519467
>hypnotizing shit pop

Is this the /mu/ version of water filters?

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>>375519458
>Rosie O'Donnell

>>375519458
>Halo by Rosie O'Donnell
I haven't really listened to classical music but Marty says Music of the Spheres was really influenced by Holst's Planets- any thoughts?
>>375519586
Have you at least listened to some of the four tracks I posted? I just want you to tell me what's wrong with them.

>>375507141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icNxUxo11D4

>the three anons trying to have a discussion in the middle of this retarded thread
Just give up

>>375519586
>Is this the /mu/ version of water filters?
>Not knowing cyclical harmonic progressions
Stay ignorant.

>>375519586
>no because i have taste
aaand stopped reading there, opinion officially discarded. You're judging a game's soundtrack based off what? /v/'s dank meme that halo is a shit game because a lot of kids grew up playing it as their first shooter? Memes aside the game is decent but if there is one thing it got right it is certainly the soundtrack.
Keep talking about a subject with which you have no knowledge on though, anon.

Westerners (at least the ones that started playing videogames after the 5th gen) want music without any rhythm and that doesn't sound gamey,sadly modern japanese people (as Dark Souls and other heavily westernized games show) are starting to follow the same pattern.Thankfully there is always composers that work for small dev teams that will continue to do some excellent work.

Well rym says there are a lot more good jp osts. The problem is many western ones don't have a unique sounds.

I remember they said skyrim had a really good ost but I honestly can only remember the title song and that comfy song that plays when you sleep in your house. Everything else is generic.

>>375507141
Even /a/ doesn't worship japan as much as /v/. Video games is truly the most degenerate hobby man ever created.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glYnxdhgu5I

>>375520367
my taste > yours

Only if we can agree western music > japanese music.

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>>375520964
Why would you worship the west?

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>>375514097
>Falcom
My man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lkaTGNE5ds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8CXaX1m-M

The series with the best soundtracks was made by a Japanese dev so yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnVVNsQ_1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytwQH2oE-1I

>>375519373
Never even played NeoTokyo (still don't even know what kind of game it is, shooter with cyber punk aesthetics?) but every few months I boot up the OST to listen to while browsing the net. It's good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-8wMLCA--s

>>375510438
Where the fuck do i start with these Ar games

>>375521208
Because the west created Japanese game music.

>>375521208
>defect born with cuck mentality can't comprehend that there are people out there that don't need to worship anything

>>375521208
Because the west isn't as SJW'd as weebs tend to paint it. Sure, there is a lot more SJW shit than in the japanese scene, but there's still good stuff being made.

And what Japan wins in the lack of social justice, they lose in otaku pandering.

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>>375519795
I suppose you're talking about Oldfield? Many artists took the Planets suite as an inspiration in different ways, some inspired by the music itself, others by the idea of a suite of diametrically opposed themes but with a common thread, similar to Vivaldi's Four Seasons.

Morrowind and Elite Dangerous follow the music more closely, and sound really similar, to the original and to each other. Just listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxiRjfrXD4g
Your brain should be screaming "MORROWIND".
Now Music of the Spheres is very Oldfieldian, quite different from the original suite, and mostly follows the idea of a suite of tracks exploring various horizons. If there's more to that, I'm not hearing it.

You should listen to the original Planets suite to understand what it's about. It's a hugely influential piece of music, and hearing it will have you recall the music of countless movies: Star Wars, Disney, Indiana Jones, Conan the Barbarian... though the actual suite has only barely been used in some obscure movies. It sounds incredibly contemporary, in fact, it's probably the most contemporary piece we have, and you don't have to be into classical music the slightest to listen to it. Keep in mind, it was first played in 1918, some 99 years ago.

You should begin right now, I promise you, it's more than worth it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHVsszW7Nds

>>375521471
>they lose in otaku pandering
I wasn't aware pandering to your core audience was a bad thing. Look at a huge chunk of Western developers (save for slavs, slavs still make great shit), who try to pander to everybody instead of one specific niche, their games are mostly a fucking mess because they try to play it safe.

>>375521471
>the west isn't as sjw
The west is terrible, everything if infested with garbage

>>375521443
The west also created videogames but they always sucked at making them

>>375521469
You probably worship your own asshole faggot

>>375521471
>Japan:Otaku/Hikki that at least buy the products they bitch about
>West:Furfags,bronies,SJW,fags that turn the other gender because they got beaten at a game,autists everywhere and devs that listen to every single retard that doesn't even buy games

>>375521874
Of course someone like you who went off the deep end won't see anything wrong with that. Alpha males like me and that other guy who are in the center of the spectrum of consuming only the highest quality every medium has to offer actual see otaku pandering for the cancer it is.

>>375521853
Fucking wow. I haven't fully listened to that planet suite, just skipped rapidly through it, but it left me speechless nonetheless. It's like the music of every 80s to early 00s movie queued together.

And then that ED track sounds almost straight out of Morrowind, what the fuck? My entire perception of originality in orchestral music just collapsed.

>>375522257
>shitposting in a mongolian throat singing pictogram forum
>not off the deep end

>>375515887
it is literally the best and there's nothing you can do to prove me wrong
sorry but not sorry

>>375522451
FF8 soundtrack was better,9 is still up there though.

>>375521874
The thing is that if your core audience would rather have you add kawaii anime girls in your game at the expense of gameplay, then your products are not going to be very good video games, will they?

The west does have its problems, most definitely. But it's delusional to claim that the same isn't true for the japanese market, unless you're a weeb who consumes the same trite shit that the otaku do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1RQiuhkrw

>>375508692
pretty sure hotline miami just uses licensed music

>>375519795
>>375521853
Oh shit, just realized Marty O Donnell had written a suite with the same name. That went under my radar. Well, I'll put that on my download list, in the meantime, hearing the first few seconds on Youtube, that sounds very Halo-y, but then there's a bit of Holst in Halo music too.

>>375522614
>add kawaii anime girls in your game at the expense of gameplay

Stuff that never happened? Or do anime girls trigger you to the point that you can't enjoy a game that has them anymore?

>>375523032
Yeah, because Senran Kagura and that other game in which there are nearly nude cowboy samurai girls are such pinnacles of gameplay, right?

>B-but those games were designed to be fapbait from the very beginning!

Exactly.

>>375523032
Not him but there are a lot of studios like compile heart who are not even trying anymore in terms of gameplay since they know they just need cute girls to sell their games.

>>375509861
>Bastion OST is good
I never understood this meme

>>375511847
I think you've been deceived, the cool guys around here are all weebs

>>375523327
By your line of reasoning Dead of Alive that was always fapbait is not a good fighting series.The SK dev team is pretty small and that's why the gameplay in their games isn't all that good,you seriously cannot blame the inclusion of fapbait for that.

>>375523413
You expect me to defend Compile Heart? Hell no

>>375521853
When I hear Halo music I think of Adagio for strings in how melodies are stretched to create drama.

Marty's a fucking god, but mostly because he still keeps those melodies.

>>375519458
I just stopped giving a shit about how un original japan can be, its still good. They take the whole thing of "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" to its logical conclusion.

Its like how most of their western fantasy ideas have been filtered through berserk. Im in it becaise I like to see how they throw their influence ibto the mix.


Its is absolutely trie that the Japanese are wonderful for not falling for the Hanz Zimmer meme so hard.

>>375524356
>Insinuating DoA is a good fighting game series these days
>Insinuating it began as such blatant fapbait as it is now, with spin-off games that are little more than softcore porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWSDvDqm9g

>>375523601
DON'T YOU WANT TO BUILD THAT WALL ANON

>>375519458
>sources of inspiration

Well Japan generally uses old videogames,the west uses movies.I wonder which one is better...

>>375524798
For the time it was pretty blatant fapbait,it was considered as lewd as SK is today.

I'm gonna post something real underrated
some underground shit
you probably never heard of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPUp2PiCYBY

>>375522984
It's not completely released because NuBungie and Activision are worthless. There are excerpts from it and some fan rebuilds. Only a few tracks are available in full.

>>375525054
Oh really? Which part of this did they consider lewd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YbcSngvIOk

>>375510438
Because creative Western composers don't bother with shitty ass videogames.

>>375524356
Thats the thing, unoriginal otaku pandering is a problem, but its so much more of a complicated issue than the HURR WEEEBSHIT posters will ever go into. This is shit that goes back to their 1990s recession and their rampant conservativism / risk aversion for how much they're willing to milk their franchises.

Half the time anyone who complains about weebshit isnt deep enough into it to make judgements on how their markets work.

We're gonna start seeing japan change rapidly as younger executives take over. Though good luck getting nip boomers to retire.

>>375519121

Of course I can give you its etymology. The word originated from "Hymmnosphere", the Goddess of Songs and the Will of the Planet that is in charge of creating tridimensional matter. It then was twisted into "hyummnos" and "hymme" by the humans when they tried imitating the Ar Ciela language used by the planet for the creation of their Carmena Foreluna language, and it finally mutated into the following words: "hymmnos" (song), "hymme" (song), "hymma" (little bird/singer) and
"hymmne" (sound, wave, melody). And the original intention behind "hymme" is "Please save us through the power of love" when analyzed by disassembling the meanings from its constituent letters through Carmena Foreluna.

So there you have it. Plus, good going ignoring everything I pointed out about the grammar unique to each language, but well, you have already finished making yourself a fool as far as I can see.

Not just the OST itself but how it's included in the game is important too. Western games may not have the most unique soundtrack but they sound design is pretty much always superior to japanese games.

Like when I play Jet Set Radio and hear something like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_KstYmWts it may be catchy and interesting at first but they gonna repeat that track so fucking often that it becomes absolutely brain melting after some point. There are a lot of geeks here who love to listen to japanese music outside of games and certainly, for that the OST is always much better. But in the games itself the sound design is often really subpar.

Just to have a more game related view on the topic.

>>375525263
That tit bounce in 1996 was already enough to make soccer moms go hysterical

>>375525470
Otakus keep niche genres alive,normalfags continue to fund the same shit that has been killing vidya for decades like movie games

>>375525834
Better sound design is a nice way to say "this music sucks but its quiet and i can hear the voice acting and effects better"

I'll never understand this eastern/western game bias, all you people do is passively seclude you from great things, be it one side or the other....

>>375526042
>Better sound design is a nice way to say "this music sucks but its quiet and i can hear the voice acting and effects better"
You're just here to shut down any argument that is in opposition to yours. You're a disgrace for any discussion and the likes of you should be banned on the spot.

Any decent human being would welcome a refreshing perspective on a dead ever repeating topic.

>>375526042
>Bouncing tits on one character, who is still pretty decently clothed
vs
>Spin-off game where the girls poledance for you and compete in poolside events in bikinis that might as well not exist

If you claim that the series hasn't changed tremendously towards more pandering, you're delusional.

>>375526042

Nigga I like tit boucing and niche genres but dont be reductive.

Good sound design is what makes shit like Nier Automata and Halo so fucking good, they mix depending on what you're doing.
Halo 2 will decode to give you a solo if you're engaging vehicles in a vehicle vs just on the ground.

>>375526150
Similar to the weebshit "moeshit" / good anime dichotomy that people force, it just means you get to see less cool shit

Like I watched Flip flappers last season and that was literally a shiw full of " lets just change setting entirely for this episode" with cyberpunk mecha, mad max, horror episodes, etc, and it only got made because the show was glued together by Yuri pandering and cute girls. I dont let the parts I dont like, interfere with the parts i do like. As apposed to those faggots who didnt oick up Nier because of 2B's dress.

>>375526150
jap gamers hate western games because they're infantile manchildren who are used to great production value and 'epic' stories and are intimidated by gameplay that requires thought
western gamers hate jap gamers because they're afraid of anime because they're insecure about their masculinity

>>375526809
In 1996 there was no lewd game like it unless it was porn,the first DoA beach volleyball game came out in 2003 and at that time there was already titbounce and general lewdness everywhere.

>>375507141
The entire SMT franchise makes this true single-handedly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ued4zVLujVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLd5eabSJ3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iInOetWAg5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybaVWcH_zBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35l4sWjYzBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3eMjYAOjNo

>>375514953
This sounds nothing like Touhou you dumb fag

>>375526150
There is no real anti east front here. If you hear anything negative about the east it's mostly just a reaction to the worshipping weebs to all the time. Like this entire thread was just yet again another bait thread for people that appreciate western games too.

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>>375527021
>gameplay that requires thought

>>375510843
Source please?

>>375527343
>cherrypicking
90% of japanese games are braindead menu sim RPGs or pure action fighters

>>375527672
>responding to a generalization with a even worse generalization

>>375527039
Exactly. Games and porn used to be a separate thing, which meant that games sold based on their entertainment value alone (or at the very least mostly).

Now they are selling "games" that are just thinly veiled softcore porn, and they don't even try to make the game itself fun because why would they when thirsty weebs and otakus keep buying their masturbatory aids?

Hopefully now you see the problem.

>>375507141
ofc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QECdKDMYIo

>>375527792
prove me wrong
protip: you can't
the only exception is nintendo

>>375507141
Not necessarily, but Nier and Nier Automata are among the best soundtracks of all time.

>>375527265

I remember hating anime because of smug posters, then I grew up, and actually opened up to some of it. Sure you gotta go through some exposure therapy, but some of the nicest people on this board are the chiller weebs.

>>375527795
Nigga, there were fanservice heavy VN's back in the early 90s. None. NONE. Of that shit is new, has it a bigger market now? Yes. Because digital distribution is so big, but dont pretend this shit is new.

>>375528104
VN's never sold based on their gameplay, though. They were treated as digital picture books, so there's no drop in gameplay quality there, which has happened to actual videogames.

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>no Transistor

Fucking uncultured SWINE.

>>375527795
Masturbatory aids can be great videogames,look at Rance or Yu-No.

>>375527996
Nintendo only makes action/platform/racing games since the SNES era,there have been countless japanese devs that made games that require thinking like strategy or management games.

>>375528296
fugg
forgot to link the actual OST

https://youtu.be/-zA1jRmAYfU

>>375528328
japanese strategy games are rare and alot of them ones that claim to be strategy games are just more grindy RPGs

>>375528328
How many Rance's or Yu-No's are out there for each poorly made game cashing in on T&A, though?

They are exceptions that prove the rule if anything.