CONFIRMED TO AFFECT PERFORMANCE

as long as it keeps the pirates at bay from Nier, who cares

>>375485647
It was confirmed that it affected performance when it got removed from Doom.

>>375485647
So far Devuno has gotten me to buy one game at a reduced price that I would have probably bought anyway even if I pirated it.

Bravo I guess. In all other instances I waited for a crack.

Funny thing is with games like Tales of Beseria I would have paid them money for it but they censored it, so I pirated it.

If they spent all that time and energy they spent on their shitty anti-piracy trash on fucking giving me back my censored scene, I would have given them cash.

>>375485945
SOME OF THOSE ANIMALS know about the $2 Nier family shares

but technically thats a family share purchase not piracy

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>Total Warhammer takes 3 minutes to load battles, unless you have a SSD
>Denuvo destroys SSDs

>>375486045
overclock your hard disk

>>375486018
I just looked this up. What the fuck? I should've pirated this game.

>everyone has been saying since the beginning it affects performance
>everyone just went LOLOL SCREW THEM PIRATES XDXD I WORSHIP MY MASTERS XDXD DONT WE FELLOW REDDITORS XDXD

>>375486761
Pirates deserve to be murdered. We need tougher copyright laws that allow 10 years+ prison for pirating video games so scums like you are forced to buy games or get sent to jail.

>>375485647
>load times
>performance
Nice try, pirate jew.

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>>375486018

They can do whatever they want to their games but it ends one of three ways:

1. Games eventually gets cracked and I pirate it.

2. Game doesn't get cracked, I wait for it to eventually go on sale and then buy it for fraction of the MSRP.

3. The game sucks and I don't pirate or buy it.

My backlog is more than long enough to play until your games' sales bottom out and you sell it for a song.

Regardless, I win in the end.

>>375487264
It is though
Remember all the me memes about the ps1 loading super slow?
You probably don't since you're an underage retard after all

>>375485945
This. I'll take a performance hit as long as it makes poorfag pirate scum miss out on games.

>b-but I totally would've bought this game if not for that 2 seconds of "censorship" or having DLC or [insert braindead nitpicking]
Yeah...

>>375486761
>been a pirate all my life
>this just sells it to me more

>>375487573
Some people aren't willing to risk expensive pieces of hardware for a $60 game.

>>375485647
First blacked and game over and now blacked for 40 seconds

>>375487573
>tfw I pirate all the games I can, and have people gift me the ones I can't pirate
Feels good to spend no money on video games.

>>375485647
>PERFORMANCE
Retard

>can't pirate hardware
Damn

>>375486045
>Denuvo destroys SSDs
Nice meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GJZyeAR7H0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX379zScuZE

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>>375487761
You used to be able to do it.

>>375486761
Pirate here.

Today kids are really something that they bother making memes like this to endorse piracy. Back in my days we just play the games.

>>375485987
But Doom is one of the best running games in recent years. Yeah it took a retarded amount of time to boot and I bet Denuvo affected this but actual game performance is fucking amazing.

>>375487828
>Like dislike disabled
>Comments disabled
This videos loose all their credibility right there.

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>>375487701
>implying getting BLACKED for 40 seconds is not hardcore

I have a large black dildo and i got blacked for 40 seconds. never again

>>375487842
>performance boost behind paywall

FUUUUUCK
This will make a comeback and when that happens I will burrow underground to nuke my backlog until I die

>>375487898
is worse now people lick companies boots and are content with DLC

>>375487910
It's even better after removing Denuvo though. It also runs on Linux now too.

>>375487573
You will be this pirate scum when you try to show your kids what you played back them and you discover that none of em works, and just 10% of the library is available because the game industry is absolutely awful at keeping the old games available.

>>375487963
It's all software limitation, they can be hacked.

>>375485647
>Only affects boot times
Yeah I'll take an extra minute to boot if it means you fucking poorfag BRs can't play it.

>>375487912
Yeah because enabling likes and dislikes so pirates can just give it mass dislikes would be a good idea.

And what does having comments disable matter? If they were retards like you would just shit them up with bullshit.

>credibility
All the credibility anyone needs is in the video itself. Anyone can do this for themselves, download process hacker 2, use it to monitor SSD writes see for yourself.

>>375487967
Still don't gave me enough damn to make anything remotely resemble "I'm fighting a good fight by pirating vidya".

Fuck I'm starting to feel too old for vidya. First /pcmr/ schtick, now social justice pirate. Embarrassing.

>>375487727
>tfw I buy dirt cheap second-hand games (but kept in good condition) and wrap them up in shrink wrap and sell them at a way higher price to collectors saying that they are new and unopened
Feels good to make money from video games.

>>375488212
If you have no likes or dislike, it shows you are not interested is showing opinion of the video.
If you have no comments it shows you do not care about showing other people opinion and counter points.

>All the credibility anyone needs is in the video itself.
Only faggots watch videos that show themselves to have 0 credibility before even playing.

>>375488141
How about 10?

>DRM constantly sucking up CPU cycles impacts performance

wow, it's almost like the DRM that came from the same Russians behind StarForce is malware. At least it doesn't literally break PC components like their previous malicious piece of shit DRM did--to such a degree developers were telling people to pirate instead of buy the game from the publishers who were using it.

>>375485647
Is Syberia 3 any good?

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>>375487573
>I-I don't even mind getting blacked

>>375485945
FPBP

>>375488356
ofc not
why would anyone play that shit?

I'm going to pirate Automata

>>375488345
>At least it doesn't literally break PC components

That's exactly what people were claiming about Denuvo.

Isn't it funny that the DRM the pirates have a lot of trouble cracking are also the ones that people claim "literally break PC components"? It's almost as if it was a blatant FUD campaign.

>>375488356

reviews indicate not so great. The screenshots don't look as pretty as the old games did, I blame that engine transition.
still confused how they brought Oscar back. Kate disassembled him to give the old man a pacemaker.

>>375488287
Whatever you say retard, go cry some more.

As I said anyone can do it for themselves

Download this
http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/

Use it to monitor SSD writes.

Get BTFO.

No matter what you say you can't change facts. People can see for themselves that it is bullshit about denuvo killing s
SSDs.

>>375487573
>willingly getting cucked by niggers
buyfags not even once

>>375488575
>expecting /v/ to know shit about SSD health
They probably have a 10GB browser cache on their SSDs too.

>>375488575
>Sourceforge
So now you want me to download from unsafe site?

Also, I can't test it anyway, I'm not a moron who buys games with Denuvo.

>>375485945
Honestly, Nier is worth a buy

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>>375488356

>horrible voice acting
>lip sync only for the French voices
>horrible optimization
>horrible life is strange controls, always bumping into shit, camera jumps at the worst possible times

I dropped it in the first five minutes, it's unplayable. Waited 13 years for nothing.

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>Le Denuvo causes bad performance meme

Why do the majority of games using Denuvo run with no problems then?

DOOM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylw-20m_uXo

MGSV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhsSFoYsqjQ

FIFA 15 = FIFA 16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpM5gTMUtEA

Battlefield Hardline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP0cKgXrT6o

Star Wars Battlefront

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9pFDeRTYSI

Lords of The Fallen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpRPiLDjFk

Mad Max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-kWvwtXfgM

Need for Speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcayCGCrjcI

Unravel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBRPHn-JzEE
Adrift

Can't find benchmarks but here is a 3hr stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4hB_x1xdAQ

Plants vs Zombies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJCOjo8ei-4

Sherlock Holmes: The Devil's Daughter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O7AlGkcWzs (1:32 for fps)

Mirrors Edge Catalyst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy9-ooOwuf8

Eve: Gunjack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZssPoeLsmk

Edge of Nowhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1i4bjvkfvA

That leaves

Far Cry Primal - Ubisoft game with bad performance and bugs... What a surprise.

Dragon Age Inquisition - It doesn't run that bad and all problems on the PC version are also in the console version which doesn't even have Denuvo.

JUST Cause 3 - Shitty port, also has bad performance on console.

Rise of the Tomb Raider - Shitty port, also runs bad on Xbone.

Hitman - shitty port performance has improved with patches.

Anno 2055 - Another Ubisoft game, say no more.

Batman AK - A shitty outsources port.

Homefront: The Revolution - A terrible game that has the same performance problems on console as it does on PC

Total War: Warhammer - All the Total War games run like shit.


Out of the 26 games that use Denuvo only 8 have performance issues and several of which are just shitty ports.

>>375488676
>unsafe site?
Lol, how desperate are you piratefag?

Stay btfo.

>>375488739
>Implying pirates will care about the non existent denvo on their superior versions

good show chap. I remember when I couldn't finish mass effect because the drm was fucking it up and causing a loading screen crash. First game I ever had to refund.

>>375488739
>Doom
>Denuvo
Che-che-check yourself before you wreck yourself

Also argument is that it hinders performance, what you are seeing is performance with Denuvo you have to now counter check without it to see if claim is true or not.

>>375487573
Is like... anti-pirates and sjw looks so similar

>>375488854
Stay mad piratefag.

>>375488794
Well sorry I don't want to download from website where anyone can infect code into the FOSS.

>>375488739
Why does Doom run faster after Denuvo was removed if Denuvo wasn't slowing it down then?

I can't believe denuvo still pays people to shit post and defend themselves on this site

>>375488931
But it runs the same, stop making up lies piratefag.

>>375488935
>/v/ is sucking corporate cock now
sad

Friendly reminder that Denuvo is about safety feature, but they are so fucking stupid they can't even set up their website safely enough.

https://www.vg247.com/2017/02/06/denuvo-website-leaks-emails-from-clients-potential-upcoming-games-that-use-the-drm-more/

This are the people who you trust with your "anti-tamper" tools

>>375487573
>>375485945
>spending 60 fucking €/$ on a game instead of waiting 1-2 months for a -25% sale

fucking lmao

>>375488212
don't bother with him, mouth breathers are so dependant on their ability to say stupid shit on the internet and start wannabe intellectual debates that the moment anyone prevents them from doing that they get triggered beyond belief and throwing fits about credibility or freedom of speech

>>375485647
>an incredibly complex DRM software eats up performance

Who would've thunk.

>>375489043

This is like complaining about a dermatologist not being good at brain surgery when he should because it's all medicine after all.

It's called specialization, anon.

>>375489230
They specialize in security, their fail at security in their main product and their by products.

They are the worst DRM to ever exist, StarForce was at least competent enough not to get their by products hacked.

>>375486761
East European here, every time I enjoyed a game and actually bought the sequel to a game I enjoyed, I always got burned. Oblivion, UT3, ME2, MW3, MGSV (I pirate on my PS3 aswell). Recently it was Dudesex 4, just to see how BadEnix can make a next-gen game run on my toaster. It's surprisingly running well on my 6 years old PC, honorable effort, too bad the game's meh

>>375487176
This. Also add $100,000 per pirated video game.

>>375488927
Here you go

https://github.com/processhacker2/processhacker2
http://download.cnet.com/Process-Hacker/3000-2094_4-10971791.html
http://filehippo.com/download_process_hacker/

>>375489381
Now please give me game with Denuvo in it so I could check validity of your claim.

>>375485945
>who cares about performace
ugh pc players?
if they didnt they wouldve chose a fucking console and played on 30 fps

>>375489339

Security is a broad field.

I wouldn't expect the fat guy with a gun who hangs around the bank to be able to build a car alarm just because it's all security. Anti-tamper software and website security are two different fields that call for different specializations.

>>375489472
See the thing is, if security guard fails to guard his own house, I would not trust the security guard to guard my house.

>>375488739
>run with no problems
thats the buzzword u should focus on
just because it has no problems it could be better and id choose the better version everytime
this is pc not console we care about fps and performance

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>>375489568
indeed

>>375489568
You are retarded.

>>375489640
oh thats your counterargument then?
guess I won
go back to playing ur zelda and bloodborne at 720p 20 fps

>>375485945
People are buying Nier secondhand, right now.

>>375489553

That's fine.

But Denuvo is not selling website security so you couldn't hire them to do that even if you wanted to.

>>375489701
>argument
Who is arguing?
There is visual evidence that can not be disputed.
There is nothing to argue, all games show there are no performance problems and with good fps.

>>375489568
>this is pc not console we care about fps and performance
PC as a platform is not "about fps and performance", you idiotic child. It's about customizable, open and modular hardware that can also do infinitely more than just play games.

>>375489835
sure they are
the point is they could be better with no denuvo and for pc users thats all they care about or they wouldve chosen consoles
hence it hurts sales more than it helps them
not to mention the millions it takes to implement and the resources

>>375489798
No buy they failed to secure their home
They failed to secure their costumers houses
and worst of all, they are still in demand.

>>375489945
Just kill yourself.

>>375489917
tell me hour fucking open and customizable denuvo games are
you cant even fucking play them without internet
just proves my point further that denuvo isnt the solution it just makes things worse

>>375489985
wow some corporate shill on /v/ told me to kill myself because his denuvo games are getting no sales
guess I will!

>>375489443
>check validity
It's already checked in these 2 videos >>375487828 and by everyone who has access to Denuvo game and was bothered enough to check for himself instead of believing a random retard on the forum.

Whether you believe in them or not is your choice and it's on you to disprove them.

nier crack WHEN?
haven't spent a cent on videogames in ages LMAOING IRL @ console retards

>>375487979
Correlation doesn't equal causation. It was actually patched in general. It wasn't just a denuvo removal. Go read the patch notes.

Inb4 "they lied"

>>375489971

You are still insisting on conflating two different things. Website security is not the same thing as ant-tamper software. Bering good at one does not guarantee being good at the other and being bad at one doesn't mean you must be bad at the other.

Is it fucking retarded that their website was so insecure? Yes. Does that mean their anti-tamper software must suck? No.

>>375490056
>corporate shill
Epic

I love it when retards get so btfo that they start to call you a shill.

Are you niggers seriously this retarded?
Unless they're looking for games which they really want to support (Exanima is an example in my case), or the games in question have necessary updates every once in a while or they just want to play online why would someone NOT pirate? That's just being dumb and not taking advantage of a huge flaw in the systems. It's not like you fucking care about the dev companies of generic AAA games, so stop pretending you are some kind of moral champion.

>>375490213
I love when shills get called shills and start parroting hivemind.

>>375490058
>you to disprove them.
It's on you to provide evidence that has been counter examined to conceder it proof to begin with.

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>>375489994
>tell me hour fucking open and customizable denuvo games are
I'm talking about hardware and what "pc is all about". On PC, you can choose to not run Denuvo-riddled software. On consoles, you're constantly running Sony/MS/Nintendo overhead at all times with no choice of alternative software at all unless you want to void your warranty or even become a criminal for tampering with protection in some jurisdictions.

See? I can choose to play Doom 4 on PC or I can choose to not play it. I don't even have Windows running at the moment because I don't like DRM, but I can choose to temporarily boot into Windows, play the game and boot out of it. On Xbone, I either use MS DRM (that's always running and always online) or the whole console is useless. That is choice, customizability and openness of PC as a platform, not "fps and performance". So I hope you udnerstand how retarded you were and change for the better immediately, you underage piece of shit.

>>375490213
im trying to prove my point and you tell me to kill myself
tell me how thats not you being either a fucking retard kid who doesnt know what hes talking about or a corporate shill

>>375490182
> Does that mean their anti-tamper software must suck?
No it doesn't, fact that it's been cracked so many times, does.

>>375490276
ok then pc is not all about fps and performance but thats one of the strongest aspects to it along with many others

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>>375490273
>conceder

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>>375490276
>ywn be that girl

>>375490379
Well, good that you agree.

>>375490368
No, console actually are about FPS and performance. Every new generation is a step backwards in terms of everything but fps and performance. The only thing different about PS1 and PS4 are fps and performance, while in terms of openness, customizability etc. it's either the same or worse.

>>375490276
please tell me that's not horse milk or horse semen.

>>375490423
I'm not that guy and I didn't read your exchange. Just wanted to point out that even the blue boards are 18+, so you will need to leave for at least another five years or so. Scram, kid.

>>375485647
nu-piratefags are the worst
they always try to justify being leeches and act like some martyrs for the gay man community

>"look game x runs at 1fps less with denuvo they're figuratively hitler"
lol

>>375490232
>why would someone NOT pirate

Because the result of mass pirating is shit like the DMCA and probably worse to come in the future? Not to mention all the bullshit DRM we have to put up with now that is only going to get more and more invasive? They have already started putting this shit into the hardware itself. I don't really like the idea of a future where I have to purchase a modchip in order to jailbreak my PC, if such a thing is even an available option.

>>375485647
it is running on a VM, of course it causes a performance hit, regardless of how well it's implemented.

the thing is they wont communicate any details to custumers on what it exactly does, classifying it as antitamper instead of DRM (though steam store page and eulas now state is as DRM) is one of the sketchy things.
on its own, antitamper software should need any online connection at all, demuvo requires to reach their servers though

>>375490446
>Every new generation is step backward
Debatable
>everything but fps and performance.
Just flat out wrong, NES/SNES were running at 60fps with no slowdowns. Further we go more and more we loose original performance.

>>375490273
You are a fucking retard.

If you don't believe evidence that has been presented then it is up to you to disprove it.

But you can't and that is why you are desperately trying to make it out to be untrue. Because you are a butthurt piratefag who wants to make bullshit up about denuvo.

>>375485945
Didn't Nier get cracked?

>>375490507
Sure, Sure.
Good that you agree nonetheless.

>>375490509
How much does the Nu-industry pay you shills to demonize pirates? It's funny to see the desperation of the industry unfold.

>>375490576
Not yet.

>>375490557
>If you don't believe evidence that has been presented then it is up to you to disprove it.
The most retarded shit I have ever read.

>>375490535
>Just flat out wrong, NES/SNES were running at 60fps with no slowdowns.
Are you dense on purpose? Even the most basic real-time 3d ran at under 15 fps on SNES (Star Fox) and Megadrive (Virtua Racing). Later consoles have a choice of running average graphics at 60 fps or advanced graphics at higher resolutions at 30 fps.

Seriously, did you just argue that performance is not central to console generation changes?

>>375490605
>shills
Lol, this is the only thing pirates can do when they get btfo.

>>375490636
But I heard something about CPY cracking the latest version of Denuvo or something?

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>>375490578
Yeah, everyone agrees with you wholeheartedly.

>>375490276
>On PC, you can choose to not run Denuvo-riddled software. On consoles, you're constantly running Sony/MS/Nintendo overhead at all times

t. posting from a windows pc or linux with shit drivers

>>375490643
This is how it works you dumb fucking shit.

It is how it is done in a court of law, in science and in every other fucking field where evidence is presented.

But what the fuck would you know being a shutin autist.

>>375490670
StarFox used 3rd party hardware to achieve that, we can't really take that as grounds of performance.

>Seriously, did you just argue that performance is not central to console generation changes?
I argued that FPS and Performance constancy is not given.

>>375490727
Linux with fine drivers actually. What are you, stuck in early 10s or something? Linux has had fully funcitonal GPU drivers for years.

>>375490776
>50cent was shot 50 times
>I don't believe you
>He said it himself!

This is now on the person who doesn't believe to disproof and not shrug off like a stupid statement.

>>375490693
>BTFOd
Sure thing kiddo. You sure convinced me to stop pirating. If anything demoniaztion and DRM cause the opposite. Pirates will now pirate for the sake of it.

>>375489917
>tfw no laptops with the i3+ new Iris chips with a 720p monitor for 400€
I think budget utility + light gaming laptops are an untapped market. 1080p is a meme for budget laptops, 720p or 768p native gives you way better image clarity than upscaling peasant resolutions to 1080p.

There was the Acer V3 which was i3 6157U+ M2 SSD and a 720p screen for roughly that price for east european markets only, it sold out like hotcakes within weeks. For shit like LAN parties it's more than enough and 9 hours battery life.

>>375490791
>StarFox used 3rd party hardware to achieve that, we can't really take that as grounds of performance.
Are you claiming that SNES's performance was equal or comparable to N64 performance? Yes or no.

>>375490605
I don't give a flying fuck about piracy desu just don't try to act morally superior because you're not
you're just pissed because you have to wait longer for "free" games thanks to denuvo

>>375490883
The oxymoronic "gaming laptops" are a market tapped so hard in the last 15 years that our faces are permanently warped by all the fucking cringe.

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>>375490883
>playing PC Games on battery
This has to be bait. MIllenials really have no standards. Holy shit we're so fucked.

>>375490930
performance constancy was better on SNES, FPS was better on SNES.
Performance is word that means nothing, you need to evaluate what do you mean, if you mean graphical fidelity or processing power, then sure N64 wins.

>>375490856
Holy shit you are fucking dumb.

>retards claim denuvo kills SSDs
>prove it doesn't and give people a way of testing and seeing for themselves
>some dumb shit retard on an anonymous chinese memes and frogposting board tells me he doesn't believe the evidence and it is up to me to prove him wrong

I already proved you wrong

>>375487828
>>375489381

>>375491027
>performance constancy was better on SNES, FPS was better on SNES.
That's because N64 ran infinitely more advanced software, you fucking idiot.

>>375485647
So it's proven that denuvo fucks up the games?

>>375491124
yes

>>375490856
Actually, read up on how burden of proof actually works. You make a claim--you present proof. By default, unproven claims are invalid.

>>375490949
>thanks to Denuvo
>Acting morally superior
I'm not sure who is trying to act morally superior. Don't project your moralism onto other people. Pirates can very well be morally justifed to a certain extent, at least as far a circumvention of DRM and vendor lock-in are concerned.

If you seriously stigmatize people for wanting to restore proper ownership of things to people you have to be a shill or just plainly retarded.

>>375490796
no, it still has shit drivers compared to windows, you'd see that if you played anything outside indies.

>>375491124
No, they removed Denuvo. The game has less to do when starting up so it starts faster.

>>375491083
Doesn't matter the reason.

>>375491124
Yeah, by teenagers who apparently get better performance from their bitcoin mining Bloodborne.exe

>>375491206
So it fucks up games.

>>375490989
>has 9h battery life
>means you can only game on battery
Are you dumb or merely pretending?

>>375491213
Maybe for an idiot reasons really don't matter.

>>375491176
So your proof is not valid because it has not been proven but only presented.
Thank you for going all this way just to come back to my original point.

>>375491240
No, it is an extra process that takes time to load when you first start up the game. It does not effect the ingame performance or load times of the game.

>>375491297
>your proof is not valid because it has not been proven but only presented
What? I'm not that guys, but what the fuck are you even trying to say, junior?

>>375491295
maybe you should take a look at your claim and realize that it was faulty?
You clearly have no counter argument and only petty attack.

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>>375485647
It only has a performance hit if the developers are incompetent and implement it poorly.

>>375491336
>that takes time to load

>It does not effect the ingame performance or load times of the game.

>>375488291
>How about
I have no idea I've only played it on 7. Like I said I'll take some extra boot time over 3rd world piratecucks. They are one of the biggest cancers upon PC gaming.

>>375491353
My claim is that console generation changes are focused on fps and performance. FPS and performance is all there is to any new console.

>>375491346
>unproven claims are invalid.
your claim is not proven.

>>375485945
I'm pirating nier just to make you mad
I don't even give a fuck about that shit game

>>375491402
Learn how to greentext reddit.

>>375487828
Back when Denuvo was newer we had these threads and people like you (probably STILL working for them) would say those things

Now we have proof that it does affect performance and since Denuvo is constantly changing and updating you have no way of saying it wont destroy my SSD (the mere fact it takes any space at all means it is literally killing my SSD, even if it is a little)

Doesn't bother me too much though, Denuvo is like a bad game filter for me at this point. And when the cracks come out the hype is also gone so I dont even care to do more than pirate, which I barely do anymore since most of them are trash.

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>>375490981
Doesn't look very gaymen to me. Fact is it runs all new games at better framerates than consoles.

>>375491432
And the standard is still fucking 30FPS. Consoles are a fucking joke. They will never catch up to PC hardware.

>>375491434
That's the basic definition of "burden of proof". Previously proven claims need not to be proven again for every new audience.

>>375491180
>no u
you're just looking for reasons to justify piracy
source: this thread

>>375491443
>doesnt get it
>r-reddit

>>375491265
>Even mentioning battery in the conext of gaming
>Gaming on a laptop
I speak from experience. Gaming laptops are horrifying. I'm seriously going to axe this thing when the new AMD flagship card arrives. Don't do it. Don't give money to these people. Laptops are glorified typewriters

>>375491402
It is the time the game takes to startup,as in when you click the shortcut on your desktop to load the game.

Not the load times when you are actually playing it.

>>375491432
new hardware, new multi-media features, new online features.
All of this is what new consoles bring.

FPS goes down, performance is see as FPS + Input lag, as in performance of the game not performance of the console, that also goes down.

>>375491472
That's because modern games run very advanced graphics for their hardware. If they ran similar graphics to previous generations, they'd easily run at 60 fps. In other words, between generations the one thing that improves is performance: you can either have more FPS or more advanced graphics.

>>375491495
Not really I just hate moralfags and shills.

>>375491447
>we have proof that it does affect performance
There is no proof.

>>375491481
there is nothing basic about burden of proof, it's huge philosophical problem that is being debated every day.
How narrow minded are you?

>>375486761
As a person who has pirated games, this image is cancer.
It's equally cancerous as the people saying that DRM is good and pirates shouldn't play.


I pirate because I'm poor, if I had the income I would pay, I just want to play, forget awful shit happening in this joke of existence.
if you pay because you can, then why you should care if some Brazilian kid plays it for free?
If you pirated it, why laugh at people who paid for it?
just enjoy the game, and talk about it with other people, both pirate and paying costumer played the same game, it doesn't really matter how you got the game, but how much joy the game gave you, or at least how less shitty your was for the length of that video game.

>>375491552
>That's because modern games run very advanced graphics for their hardware.
They run advanced graphics for the 3-4 year outdated console hardware. Console are essentially budget PCs. They need to focus more on performance but that will never happen because normalfags are perfectly fine with subpar framerates with good graphics.

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>That one piratefag that got BTFO in this thread desperately trying to make out something isn't true when the evidence and the means of testing are there for all to see and do

>>375491517
I already asked, but I will ask again. Are you claiming that there is no indisputable major performance boost between generations of consoles, e.g. PS1 to PS2 to PS3 to PS4?

>>375491434
The original claim that Denuvo kills SSDs is not proven, retard. But since you fags don't give a shit about proofs, the rumor kept spreading. That's why those 2 videos exist and that's why you can cross-examine them yourself given the resources, i.e. a Denuvo game and any software of your choice that can monitor the SSDs. If you don't have the resources to disprove your videos then your opinion is meaningless and you should not have even stated the discussion.

>>375485987
No it wasnt sheep read the fucking patch notes you dumb cunt

>>375491681
Do you think consoles would be successful if they cost twice as much? That extra performance isn't free.

>>375491702
I asked you to define what do you mean performance but here you are saying that word again, even thou I have defined it and said that Yes.

>>375490517
No one forces you to use a paid OS. You can use an open source one (obviously Linux). I know ,compatibility with games, bla bla bla...

My point wa sbasically that I think it's naive to act in a why because you think other people are good natured and will help as you try to. Usually that's very rare, so better just try to make the best of the present situation for yourself. The devs and publishers only want more money, and even if no one pirated they would still make it more inaccesible. Look at every single big tech company in the past 10 years and how increasingly every one of them as evolved into maximum control over privacy and user choice (meaning, they don't give you any freedom). Corporations don't give a fuck if you have any liberty, they just want your money.

>>375491564
You are clearly stupid, considering you read about a "basic definition" of the burden of proof and thought I was calling the concept itself basic because your reading comprehension is that bad.

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Doesn't affect Nier Automata or Berseria. These are the only instances I've dealt with denuvo so I'm willing to believe something just went horribly wrong with this one.

I'd say shit devs but the 2 aforementioned need unofficial patches to work so I don't know.

Yeah you know gog version does not have drm so why is it cracked........ gog version not cracked version

>>375491558
you ARE the moralfagging shill in this scenario
>"b-boycott denuvo it's killing muh perfomance"
keep crying, jose

>>375491703
Yea, and and until proven wrong, you have no ground to stand on and you still haven't done so.

>>375491756
What, you need a definition of "hardware performance"? Are you going to ask for definitions of "hardware" and "definition" next?

>>375490706
CPY damage control

>>375491865
See, I see performance in this context as software performance. Hardware performance is irrelevant, you can have hardware 20times more powerful and software performance will be 20times worse.

>>375491845
That's not how burden of proof works. You make a claim ("Denuvo kills SSDs") and you provide proof to support it, or else your claim is to be disregarded. You audience has nothing to do until you provide proof.

>>375491840
Genuine interest: Were can I apply to be a shill?

ITT: Corporate bootlickers

>>375491845
All you have to do is launch any Denuvo game and look at the disc activity in task manager. It doesn't change substantially, at all.

We already knew this. I don't understand how the shills and fanboys can deny that running your game in what is effectively an obfuscatory virtual machine will slow it down.

ITT: manchilds without money

>>375491884
The version used by Syberia is different

>>375491509
But I have a PC already. I just can't carry it around on campus and don't want to unplug everything and transport it in my car everytime we throw a lanparty.

I'm just saying a PC like this would satisfy the majority of normies' gaming needs while functioning just like any other productivity laptop. I mean for christ's sake, my old laptop had a radeon 3470 and it ran with Catia's GPU acceleration without a hitch. The only thing I used my desktop for work-related projects were fluid simulations, and that's not because it wouldn't run on the 3470, it's just much faster on a stronger GPU.

>>375491936
So, do you claim that software does not become more complex and demanding between generations of consoles? More polygons, more effects, most postprocessing, etc. etc.?

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>mfw piratefags get BTFO so hard all they can do is scream shill at everyone

>>375491845
>until proven wrong
If you don't believe me, you can watch the videos. If you don't believe the videos, you can cross examine yourself. If you can't do anything then you're out of discussion. Some fag that started complaining about SSDs on Lords of the Fallen forum originally has no more legitimacy with his claims than me or the guy who made the videos, you thinking that of him as the ultimate truth upholder is peak of retardation.

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>171 posts
>58 IPs

All third worlders and BR's should be range banned from posting on this board. All they do is perpetuate constant arguing over piracy, console wars, and fighting over exclusives. They do nothing but drag down this board and make it a pit of shitposting that festers hate and contrarianism under the guise of board culture.

This thread is repulsive and the termites and dregs that coalesce to fester this hateful and meaningless bickering should be ashamed and thrown off this board with no mercy.

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Why is piracy even a debate? People will do it regardless, and you can tell big companies to suck your dick by playing their games for free. I'd say you're a dumbass if you actually spent money on Fallout 4, Skyrim, Far Cry, or any other easy-to-pirate AAA game.

>>375491940
Shame that I don't care about the SSD part and only about the video part, innit?

>>375491732
They wouldn't but consoles would be perfectly capable of PC level performance (60 FPS) if they reduce image quality. If I was still a console game I would prefer reduced visuals with 60FPS in most cases anyday.

>>375490076
Post-release game optimization is a myth. If your release-version renderer runs like shit it's always going to run like shit.

>>375492024
IT doesn't matter what software becomes, I give 0 shits.

I only give shits about what Im using, a game in this instance, technical shit is irrelevant for the conversation at hand.

>>375492063
What video part? I haven't been following your discussion, because one of you is obviously stupid. What, performance?

>>375491560
>Inital load times increased
>Not proof

Whatever, theres most likely to be more but that alone is enough to show there is difference.

Ever heard the term "tip of the iceberg" ?

Also unless you can show that it doesn't affect ANY times at all then you really dont have anything to stand on.

I'm expecting a "who cares lol" response or some other dismissive language since that seems to be the general tone taken with pro-DRM people (what made you this way? to actually want to defend multi million/billion dollar companies who are doing these things because they don't trust you?)

>>375491701
>That one samfag who keeps posting to alleviate his doubts that he may be wrong

>>375487573
I would have bought Berseria were it not for censorship. I bought Automata as the proof.

>>375492156
I said that Videos have 0 credibility, and I was right.
No cross exams of the videos and source is the same, basically saying that proof is insufficient.

>>375492137
So, are you claiming that an average PS4 game is not more demanding and productive than an average PS3 game? E.g. any native updated version of older games--they do not run much better when properly programmer, e.g. DMC collection etc.?

>>375492269
No, Have no idea where you got that from.

>>375488739
DOOM runs pretty fucking poorly CPU-side. It does nothing Doom 3 did not.

>every board on 4chan: we pirate everything lol who cares
>/v/: WTF PIRATE SCUMBAGS ARE STEALING FROM OUT PRECIOUS DEVELOPERS!!
smells like rebdit

>>375492018
>Normies
The dilemma is that laptops are always overpriced. It's always better to invest in a budget desktop. Heat dissipation is also a huge pain in the arse. As soon as you run something more demanding than ye average visual novel the thing will overheat and performance degrade.

This could only work if you games wre specifically adapted to this particular system and is things are the video game industry is already hellishly incompetent in exploiting modern graphics cards to the max.

>>375491703
Due to the nature of SSDs any data written to them AT ALL is damaging them

Denuvo *literally* kills SSDs and to deny this is to deny reality

>>375492070
60FPS isn't as marketable as pretty graphics, unfortunately.

>>375492350
>newfag posting retarded shit
>smells like rebdit
sure it does

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>>375492053
>it's another retard that doesn't understand how conversations work episode.

1. someone makes post
2. someone replies
3. original poster replies back

That is two posts per one person. It may even go on to 3-4 posts per one person and the other poster may post back three times as well making to post count 6-8 posts per 2 posters.

This happens many times over in the thread. The post count will always be 2-3 times more than the amount of posters.

Do you understand how conversations work now? You probably don't seen as you are a dumb frogposter.

>>375491953
I do it for free :^)
you see pirates used to be like "I pirate, deal with it" but nowadays we have faggots like you who not only pirate but also spread rumors about denuvo somehow ruining the games for the people who buy games
I mean you're even fucking shilling against denuvo on steam

>>375492256
>I said that Videos have 0 credibility
No less than fags claiming that Denuvo kills SSDs, your point. You don't need the support of rocket scientists to disprove a claim made your redneck friend, do you?

>>375492401
I know how SSDs work, the original claim was that Denuvo makes thousands upon thousands of writes per second. By that logic everything you do kills SSDs, we don't need smartasses like you here.

>>375492319
I'm failing to keep track which exact idiot you are. Are you the dumb cunt claiming that burden of proof is on the audience or the silly bugger who says performance does not improve between generations because fps is the same?

>>375491336
>It does not effect the ingame performance or load times of the game.
L O L

>>375492401
Yeah, it kills them as fast as playing any other game.

Denuvo doesn't increase read/write overhead to any measurable level.

As much as I hate piracy, what I hate more is the idea of my $60+ software purchase treating me like a criminal on parole.

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>>375492053
ITT: /v/ proves once again they're one of the worst boards on 4chan populated by sub 16 year old 3rd world subhumans. This thread is fucking disgusting.

>>375492183
Whatever retard, keep clasping at those straws.

>>375491995
> It doesn't change substantially, at all.

So it changes a little? Just a bit is infinitely more than not at all you know?

>>375492495
t. denuvo

>>375492448
nice arguments sweetie but those bait arguments wont save you (:

>>375489097
spending 60 dollars on a steam game lmao when you can buy it for 45 dollars on gmg and gamesplanet, since they aint jews like valve who takes a 30% cut they can afford making it cheaper.

>>375492476
Denuvo kills SSDs that is just fact, does it kill them more than any other software is what you are trying to dispel, actual first post was accurate.

Basically, thanks for validating my point.

>>375492529
It changes it so little that the difference isn't measurable.

>>375492462
>Believing corporate lies
>Wasting your time
I can't help you buddy

>>375492483
I'm the one, who says that software performance is decreasing on consoles over time.

>>375492462
Because it does. Look at performance differences in doom with denuvo and without.

>>375492567
>Denuvo kills SSDs that is just fact
The same fact that everyone who drink water die in the end, so fucking what. Every write kills SSDs, that was not the original claim.

>Basically, thanks for validating my point.
You're like a nerd faggot that always tries to conclude with "Technically I was right". No you weren't, not in the context of the discussion. Fuck off.

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Reminder to pay for every image you own
Pirating images is wrong and disgusting

Also please pretend this board >>>/t/ doesn't exist because 4chan is totally against piracy

>>375492567
>Denuvo kills SSDs that is just fact
>>375487828

>>375492656
All I did was, peer review the evidence provided, saying that evidence is not sufficient enough.
You guys started to fight me, because
>MUH DENUVOOOOH

>>375492521
>Gets BTFO
>Admits defeat like an asshole instead of just not replying

All I ever needed was one straw mate, you cant argue "absolute nothing" then act petty when I pull a one drop rule

>>375486761
I understand people who pirate because they cant afford it or they get fucked and the game is half a month salary.

However when you live in a first world country and you're not poor theres 0 reason to pirate, all you do is denying a company your money when you enjoy their product,it makes 0 sense,

this is the reason why devs are hesitant to bring it to pc because of the mentally pirating is free so why buy it.

>>375492626
Ah, right, that fucking retard. So, where were we? PS4 is less powerful than the PS3 because in some games you've played FPS is 30 on PS4. Right. So?

>>375492721
Yea, this writing kills SSDs, they have limited write life, sorry. This Denuvo game kills the SSD you just proved it.

>>375492651
spoonfeed me because I have no clue what you're talking about

>>375491436
You can't make him mad. He has more money than you, pleb.

>>375492761
No. Not right in anyway.

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>>375492775
Have a (you)

>>375492651
>Look at performance differences in doom with denuvo and without
there aren't any.

>>375492724
You thinking that counter-evidence is not sufficient does not make the claim more true, you goddamn retard.

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>/v/ is the only board against piracy

How did this happen?

>>375492476
>we don't need smartasses like you here

Yes you do

>>375487573
ive pirated atleast 100 games over the year and i would say maybe 20 of them were worthwhile of a purchase

like i got 30min of played time on Crusader Kings 2 (with all current DLCs) on Steam but Ive played probably up to 200 hours.

how are consolefags and antipiracyfags so cancerous that they're happy games run like shit just because they're mad other people they dont like may enjoy them

oh right they're the same person and they're completely assblasted about the PC master race because they cant steal games or play them in high quality anyway

>>375492882
PS4fags are the most vocal of /v/ and don't like that we can easily get free games and they can't

>>375492495
So you're saying when I load a Denuvo game I'm loading the game plus another game?

Thats what it looks like, how horrifying.

>>375492882
Streaming services, I guess.

>>375492882
don't want to hurt smaller devs

>>375492918
Still waiting on that evidence that Denuvo makes games perform worse. Taking longer to launch isn't performing worse in anything but the most literal definition of the word.

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>tfw don't even remember the last time I bought a video game

>>375492880
I presented reasons why I think so, attacking me really gives nothing to you, you hanged on this point for no reason other than you thought you could beat a "kid" yet here you are 200posts later still debating if proof is sufficient enough or not.

Fuck, I could google better proof than what you faggots posted in less than 2 seconds.

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>>375492797
Reason for no difference at 1440p is due to gpu limitation. At lower resolutions, the CPU becomes more important, which is why you start seeing a difference. The worse your CPU is, the more significant the difference becomes. This test was done with an i7-5820K, so you only get a ~7% difference.

Denuvo also heavily affects the start up time of games, as seen in Syberia 3, where the crack completely removed denuvo rather than just bypassing it.

http://imgur.com/a/DGSa1

>>375492882
/v/ is the only board to justify piracy which is pretty fucking gay

>>375493054
>game debate
Literally who
post link to the source, this looks made up to me.

Nothing but desperate piratefags

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>Is against piracy
>Regularly visits a website with an entire board dedicated to it

>>375492746
>you enjoy their product
but I don't
I only pirate shit games like all the AAA shovelware like dishonored and assasin's creed

>>375492827
Good. You can go now.

>>375493252
Performance is still worse on PS4 than on PS2 especially if we take worst case scenarios.

>>375488715
Yep, I would buy it in a second if it didnt have denuvo friendo

>>375493335
>Performance is still worse on PS4 than on PS2
Oh fuck. Back to this again? I thought we made progress.

>>375493439
You think too much of yourself, we are still talking about two distinctly different things.
And I agreed on hardware performance in my 2nd reply to you, you really should follow the conversations you are in.

>>375493190
>IT'S FAKE
every time

I'm wondering why would you defend Denuvo on a board where most of the people pirate.

Unless you're getting paid that is

>>375493568
Post the source then.

>>375490446
>No, console actually are about FPS and performance. Every new generation is a step backwards in terms of everything but fps and performance. The only thing different about PS1 and PS4 are fps and performance
what the fuck am I reading

>>375493615
>defend
What if I don't care about it?

>>375493054
Denuvo got removed months later after doom has recieved several patches, even the guy who wrote the article about it said it himself that hes comparing a older version of the game with a newer version.

http://www.game-debate.com/news/22656/denuvo-pc-performance-impact-tested-doom-benchmarks-with-and-without-denuvo-drm

>A lot has changed since we did our GTX 1060 Vulkan benchmarks in July 2016. There has been literally dozens of new Nvidia drivers, any of which may have a positive (or negative) impact on DOOM’s performance. DOOM itself has also been patched, another factor which may affect performance. To that end, we do not know for sure the results of this benchmark are directly indicative of Denuvo’s performance impact,

>>375493615
/v/ and /vg/ are the only boards where people are opposed to pirating.

Everyone else is perfectly fine with it.
Of course it's shilling.

>>375493693
You filthy neutral, with enemies you know where they stand but with neutrals, who knows! You sicked me!

>>375493693
He says while posting in a thread about Denuvo

>>375492882
Consolecucks being cucked.

>>375491621
I pirate because I'm poor too and br kid. I agree on piracy and and even more because people who live in countries which these games are cheap get triggered because someone far away are pirating them. Corporations don't care about people. I don't care about them, I own them nothing. I wouldn't buy these shitty games anyway.

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>>375493767
>>375493792
I'm just giving my honest opinion. It never affected me, when it does I'll care.

>>375493248
Do you even play them? why waste you're time with something you dont like.

>>375493757
like what boards, /co/ and /a/?
yea, designated poorfag entertainment, of course they won't oppose pirating

>>375493920
So why are you in this thread at all
Why are you posting

You obviously care, it's ok, we're here for you

>>375493928
I pirate AAA games several times so the company loses money of course

>>375493615
>>375493615
>When a new version of denuvo appears
Thank you based denuvo from protecting us against evil pirates

>when gets cracked
The purpose of denuvo is to delay it just a few months
and start calling people criminal, nigger and alike.

What's worse is that they do it for free.

>>375493984
To offer my opinion. Its a discussion board, everyone can post and share their opinions when they see something. Do you need things explained multiple times anon?

>>375493757
Most people who are pro-DRM / anti-piracy still break copyrights freely when it suits them, just not for this specific industry

I know you could claim fair use for a lot of this site too, but using 4chan with images would break a lot of copyright

>>375493980
/tv/
/mu/
/lit/ sometimes
/porn/ boards

>>375493998
But they dont lose money if you were never going to buy their game in the first place. Its why devs say they want you to pirate instead of buying their game from fradulent key sellers like g2a and kinguin since they gotta deal with chargeback fees.

Only retarded devs like nippons think pirating= lose money when its really pirates with money pirating = lost sale.

>>375494073
Just curious why you would say you dont care but then later say you want to share your opinion?

Did you start caring in the past few posts or something? Or did you randomly see this thread, that specific post, and go "oh ill post how I dont care about this topic"?

>>375494270
The latter ofc. Spotted the shitpost thread and thought I'd offer my 2cents about it instead of joining the cesspool.

You seem triggered by my opinion but I honestly dont care for that either. Wont change how I view denuvo at all. At least I've had experience with it contrary to 99.9% of posters in here.

>>375489097
>60 dollars
>Expensive

maybe if you are a 16 year old NEET or white trash.

>>375486045
Never had that problem with the Linux version.
It doesn't have Denuvo.

>>375494524
Just considering the thought process behind people who go through the effort of posting they dont care about a topic was all, especially doing it while anonymous.

>>375491516
And an extra process running during the game and taking up CPU cycles somehow doesn't affect performance?

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I can't tell if the pro-DRM fags in here are
>denuvo shills
>unrelated devs posting here all the time
>underage kids that grew up with steam/7th generation consoles that didn't know any better
>baiting faggots
>actual cucks that also preorders and buys all the DLCs for their wife's sons
Because of these simple facts:
>out of all the fucking sites they constantly post here
>even tho there is a board dedicated to piracy
>nobody gives a shit about piracy outside of /v/ and /vg/
>sometimes /vr/ even encourages you to just pirate the game if the devs are long gone and money goes to some unrelated publishers
>/vp/ just outright emulates their old games
>/tv/, /mu/, /a/, /co/ and /lit/ either won't care or share it sometimes
>porn related boards gives you links of torrents instead of links of premium porn sites

>>375495609
It doesn't actually do anything when the game's running though, Denuvo works by decrypting files at launch. That's why it makes startup time worse.

>>375495748
I can't tell if the pro-DRM fags in here are
>denuvo shills

yes. hth

>>375495748
I'm just so turbo-autist that I like to argue against misinformation even if it's about topics I don't care about.

I pirate plenty of shit but I still think the ridiculous DENUVO KILLS SSDs type hyperbole should be shut down, because it's blatant lies.

>>375485945
>accepting worse performance so other people don't get to play the game
You're being ironic, right?

Hey you do realise that denuvo would have never been created if people didn't pirate right?

Just buy the game you worthless NEET fucks

>>375495873
Yes it does you fucking tard, older Denuvo games were patched by patching out the denuvo routines that the game performs.
Stop fucking posting about a topic if you have zero clue what you're talking about

>>375495873
Are you retarded? Denuvo scrambles the code all the time while the game is running.

>>375485647
wow who would have thought, a shitty DRM that decrypt shit on the fly worsen perf !

>>375496056
I will, as soon as they remove the denuvo
I don't buy inferior games sorry

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Daily reminder that Denuvo was developed by the same country as Hitler

>>375485647
Why is /v/ the only board that has people who are against piracy, marketers?

>>375485647
Why are you guys defending anti piracy measures that make modding nearly nonexistent?

>>375496375
Denuvo doesn't actually stop modding though.

>>375489749
why are you so retarded anon?

second hand buyers are not pirates

>>375496458
It does. You can't modify the .exe therefore they can't give you the modding tools.

>>375491807
how do u know if u havent tried the non denuvo version

>>375496343

Generally younger populace.

17-22 year old with no jobs and little to no expendable income. Thats why you hardly see video game discussion on /v/ now. everything is meme(you) threads. I only come here to kill 15-20 mins when i'm bored and want to see if there is any breaking news/betas incoming.

>>375496056
They still do. Now once the game has been cracked the Denuvo just lowers the performance of those who paid for the game. All in all, unless the game has some multiplayer functionality, the pirated version is the better version.

>>375496492
They're worse.

>>375492350
unironically this
go back to /r/ps4 and /r/nintendo

>>375495991
Not autist enough to know that every bit of data kills SSDs though?

theres 3 categories of denuvo defenders ITT:
1. consolefags that are so butthurt pc gets all the good stuff
2. kids that got no idea what theyre typing and when u reply with a good argument they just say 'kys' back
3. corporate shills

prove me wrong

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>denuvo shills ITT
oyyyyyy gevalt

>>375490636
yeah it did

>>375486761
>Hurts companies

k sure

>>375485647
is there any source outside the random anonymous blogpost? 40 seconds alone seems incredibly long with an ssd for something like this, i seriously doubt there was no user-error in there

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If Denuvo shuts down, a lot of games aren't going to get removal patches and even the bypass cracks won't work.

Fuck the goys that defend this shit.
http://whyisdenuvobad.github.io

>>375497323
That's why i make sure when it comes to games with Denuvo that I buy the game from Steam for Linux and only play it on Linux. That way the Linux porter who doesn't use Denuvo for their version gets the money.

If a game uses Denuvo but its Windows-only and you don't like Denuvo the only way to really discourage its use is to not buy the game and not play it.

>>375497589
Unfortunately I broke my no Denuvo rule for Nier Automata

Supporting Yoko Taro/supporting his games on PC was more important than my feelings on Denuvo. But I agree entirely, keep fighting the good fight and support Denuvo games that get Linux ports.

I'm only concerned about longevity. Why haven't the games that have been cracked for over a year removed Denuvo ? There's literally no reason to keep it around.

>>375497723
The problem there is that Nier is from one of the companies who are contracting Feral Interactive to port their games to Linux. If you rush to buy the Windows version when the port comes the game will always count as a sale Denuvo generated.

It sucks having to wait for Linux ports, but doing that is the only way to encourage devs to both support other platforms, and discourage the use of Denuvo.

>>375498024
Not a single one of Square Enix' Japanese games have been ported to Linux. I'm guessing Automata will be the first given its unprecedented success, but the keyword is unprecedented, everyone thought it'd sell 100,000 copies like every single other Yoko Taro game.

I'll be waiting for the linux port of FFXV though. That's absolutely guaranteed.

>>375492826
pretty much this


which means that piracy is irrelevant. Never stop downloading poor anon, never pay for anything digital.

>>375498253
This. It wasn't about "not wanting to wait", Square Enix deciding to port Nier Automata to Linux and Feral deciding to bother with it just because they ported Hitman and Tomb Raider was extremely unlikely.

We certainly made noise on the forums though.

>>375498253
Its really bizarre how slow the Japanese side of these companies have been to support Linux. Considering Linux users are way more likely to be part of the core audience for Japanese content in the west.

The only recent Japanese release I can think of is Disgaea 2 which came out for Linux at the same time it came out for Windows.

>>375498373
But then you gave them your money anway, which kind of defeats the argument that they should port it and not use Denuvo.

>>375498253
>everyone thought it'd sell 100,000 copies like every single other Yoko Taro game.
how? they actually fucking advertised the game this time

>>375499030
They advertised Taro's other games too. They just never did well.

>>375498958
Frankly I don't care about Linux, I just think it sucks that Denuvo essentially locks us into Windows until the end of time (even once it has been bypassed meaning pirates can pirate it)

Remove Denuvo after it's relevant and I'm happy.

>People saying Denuvo affects performance when it clearly does not in any capacity

Literally fake news

>>375490796
Linux is still trash for gaming, unless the devs put in a ton of effort for the port like Metro Last Light there's usually like a 20% drop in performance. People in this thread are complaining about Denuvo hurting performance, well Linux you pretty much have to buy a better tier graphics card because the performance drop is so severe in many games. Trying to improve Mac gaming would be a better use of Valve's resources, unfortunately Apple is shit and doesn't want to upgrade their OpenGL in favor of their meme Metal API.

>>375489097
it's been -22% since release. Check GMG.

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>>375500575
>there's usually like a 20% drop in performance

That's due to the game being designed for the non-standard D3D workflow which doesn't translate well to standard OpenGL. Pushing devs to be Vulkan-first, or at least use Vulkan in their ports results in much better performance since its more low level meaning even if a game isn't designed for it the non-standard high level D3D workflow translates better to being on top of the low level Vulkan code.

See the difference Vulkan made for Mad Max, though since those benchmarks Mad Max OpenGL was improved significantly though still not to Vulkan levels.

>Trying to improve Mac gaming would be a better use of Valve's resources

Lol, no. MacOS is a proprietary OS. Only Apple can actually work on it and unlike Linux where the GPU makers can produce their own drivers that expose all their features (or in AMD's case, third parties can make better drivers than AMD could ever do) Apple restricts drivers for MacOS to only OpenGL 4.1, has blocked Vulkan, and is trying to force their phone graphics API Metal onto the desktop.

When it comes to performance loss from ports MacOS is actually worse since it doesn't support the latest OpenGL features, and has actually been holding some Linux games back since they have to share the same OpenGL codebase with the MacOS version which means no compute shaders or AZDO methods.

>>375501034
>MacOS is a proprietary OS.
That's not a good criticism when proprietary OS' have historically been better for sound and graphics than open source. The main reason Nvidia's Linux drivers work well is because of how invasive they are, Nvidia essentially rewrote X because of how shit the kernel modesetting is. AMD didn't even care about Linux until fairly recently. When the GPU companies get off their ass and support Linux it's not for gaming, it's for GPGPU or embedded devices. (Hence why Nvidia has pretty good BSD drivers, they know it wil pay off) Open source is good for a lot of things but it's always been behind in content creation and games.

>>375486761
Fuck yeah, feels fucking good, man.

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>>375499591
Do you take pride in being this dull?

>>375497160
The issues is that Denuvo runs under a VM of sorts, and also obfuscates it's code. No shit games with Denuvo run worse then ones without. It's the equivalent of tying a heavy weight to a runner's legs.
>>375497723
>There's literally no reason to keep it around
Either pride or laziness.

>>375501560
>That's not a good criticism
It is in this case because the claim was that Valve would be better off investing in MacOS. They literally can't because its closed source, and controlled by a phone company who have no interest in desktop gaming which they see as a competitor to their primary business.
Valve are investing heavily in Linux hiring key developers like Keith Packard to work on the RadV driver and Wayland because that's basically their only option.

>When the GPU companies get off their ass and support Linux it's not for gaming
That was true several years ago. Now Nvidia are releasing driver updates when new games are released just like they do on Windows, and AMD are hiring more developers to work on the open source drivers which are specifically for gaming since they don't currently have OpenCL or official support that professional applications and HPC need.

>Open source is good for a lot of things but it's always been behind in content creation and games.
Depends on what you're talking about. A number of professional content creation tools are open source and have been now for years. Pixar's Renderman for instance which they use in production of their movies is open and primarily used on Linux.

ty for this thread OP.
it's dripping with estrogen.
so many bitches in one thread.
it makes me and i'm sure others LOL.
all the scratching and slap-fighting.
ok i must go now.
again ty for this OP.