>It's a villain did nothing wrong episode

>>375483356
>murdering people for no real reason
>nothing wrong

>>375483408

>It's wrong to kill bad people

???

>>375483356
He killed best girl's father.

>>375483931

He killed Sojiro?

>>375483498
akechi it's past your bedtime, stop posting

>>375483931
best girls father is already dead

>>375483356
That's not Shido

>>375483356
im at rank 5 of goro's slink

does he not get any of the standard party member bonuses?

>>375484230
maybe

>>375484230

He gets them all when he becomes playable.

>>375483498
>Bad People
>Making train drivers go insane so they crash, kill and injure hundreds, and get the minister of transport replaced by the guy that hired you.
>Murdering a man that was about to confess his crimes.
>Killing random journalists to protect allied embezzlers.

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>Goro
>even worthy of being called a "villain"

In the grand scheme of things, he was a very minor character. That said, the fujos have latched on so tightly that he's bound to reappear and not be "really dead".

He's the Sayaka of Persona's universe.

>>375484279
whens that happen

i finished the school festival

>It's a "Villain just wanted to eat some delicious pancakes" episode

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>>375483356
>knew he was gonna be an Adachi clone the moment I realized he was on the box art with the rest of the playable characters but not in the opening cinematic

I feel cheated.

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>>375484136
>In December doing the final dungeon
>STILL haven't even started Haru's S.Link

What were they thinking adding her so late and making her S.Link accessible only two weeks before shit hits the fan?

>>375484398
I wasn't refering to Haru

>>375484295

Shido killed all those people, and he was gonna kill Shido.

Don't get mad at the murder weapon, get mad at the murderer.

>>375484398
They didn't, that's what.

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>>375484395
They needed to make his S.Link like everyone else's. The dumb faggot hung out around LeBlanc enough. Instead you get these weird rank ups everytime he so much as looks at you.

>Gee Joker, don't you think it's odd how you became closer while he was talking to COGNITIVE you?

>>375484418
Futaba's a gross NEET with greasy hair.

Still wish I'd picked her before settling for Makoto because I thought Sae's Casino was the end of the game.

>>375484531
I wasn't refering to Futaba either

>>375484432
But didn't he also admit to using it for his own gain , which is how he is a detective at his age.

>>375483931
You mean mother.

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>>375484558
MAKOTO IS NOT BEST GIRL. SHE'S IS BLAND AS FUCKING MILK STEAK WITH THE MOST CONTRIVED SCENARIOS TO MAKE HER LOOK INTELLIGENT.

>>375484578

He did, but that has nothing to do with murder.

>>375484639
I disagree

>>375484578
The two goals coincided. Without Shido's influence, Goro might have settled on some other way of manipulating the Metaverse for fame. Or not. We don't really know too much about his true personality, just what we saw after years of being murderer on his father's behalf.

His backstory is a little contrived, but I don't hate him. Probably the cute Japanese boy charm.

>>375484432
>Don't get mad at the murder weapon

Hes a "weapon" capable of free thought and action.

He still was largely responsible for all those deaths. Hes not an inanimate object.

>m-muh father

>>375484947

It was the only way he could gain Shido's trust.

>>375483356
He fucked me and my boys over.

Nigga gotta pay for that.

>>375485102

so he killed people only for his own gain.
that makes him evil alright.

>>375485154

>Being brainwashing SJW scum

>>375485209
PTs are commiebusters

>>375485163

No, he killed people for a greater good, to rid the world of a horrible man like Shido.

>>375485102
And in the process was quickly was on his way to becoming as bad, if not worse, then Shido.


Yea good plan dude.

>>375485209
>He lets some nigga just run him over like that
Now I don't use the word "cuck" that much to describe a person, anon, but it seems like you fit the definition

>>375485281
>to rid the world of a horrible man like Shido.
He could have killed Shido any time.

>>375485295

How so?

We have no idea what he planned to do after killing him.

>>375483356
Why is this faggot's VA miles above most of the rest of the cast in the English dub?

>>375485349

Just killing him is giving him the easy way, it's no better than what he's doing.

He needs to be defeated, realize he's lost, that he's a failure, and there's nothing he can do to change that.

>>375485281
No, he did it to take revenge.
He's lawful evil at best.

>>375485281

why didnt he just go straight into shidos palace to kill him? Because he wanted to betray him when he would be at the top just to have the last laugh. Pretty selfish and evil.

>>375485281
Then why didn't he just kill Shido?

Shido had the proclivity to getting drunk and wandering the streets so why not just fucking shank him? Rather than kill dozens of people and drive others psychotic so they would crash trains and kill other people.

>>375485295
Anon please, how could he be worse than Shido considering Shido traumatises teenage girls.
>>375485281
>could just cap the dude at this point or incriminate due to close ties
>no let me risk it all

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>>375485487
You can stop posting now, Goro. Hope you choke on a pancake.

>>375485487
Shut the fuck Akechi. You're a dime-store Adachi, whose twist wasn't being evil, but having everyone else know you were evil and ruse your pancake loving ass into the ground.

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>>375485380
Shido used his power to ride easy on peoples pain and suffering to get what he wanted.

Goro used his power to get to his target using peoples pain and suffering.

Gee i wonder what he was gonna do next.

>>375485415
Realised Fujo bait sells
>LOOOOOKIII shout is on point

>>375485504
>>375485509
>>375485516

Shido was prideful man, to win against someone like him, you need to destroy his pride.

He can't just go and kill his shadow, because then Shido would instantly die, and Goro would forever be "The evil man who killed the great Shido"

>>375485710
Then why didn't he kill Shido before Shido became popular?

Shido was a nobody politician in April, when Akechi was causing train accidents for Shido.

>>375485657

Exactly, his target.

Goro only had one target.

>>375485710

no, just killing him is enough. you dont need to kill countless other civilians just for your childish desires.

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>>375485710
Well, he can't also just go kill his shadow since his shadow is a pretty powerful boss that'd kick Goro's ass.

>>375485774

Because that would be plain old murder.

He needed Shido to be exposed for the horrible person he was before killing him.

>>375485780
That he sacced dozens of others to get to.

Hes just a faggy dumbass villain type who wants to fancy himself as a hero.

Instead of doing the actual thing he could do to be a hero, which is to juct kill Shido, he decided to be psychopath about it and convince himself that he was just acting justly even though he pretty much did everything like a retard.

>>375485806

Just killing him would have been fine too, anything other than replacing him with a clone of Shido that hates himself would have been way better.

>>375485963

He planned to expose Shido for all his crimes, for all we know he could have turned himself in, or even killed himself after confessing to be Shido's hitman, it's not like he had anything else to live for.

Does Akechi have the wild card too

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>>375486135
The only reason he wanted to expose Shido to the public is for his own personal fetish of being a hero though. It wasn't for some noble goal of self sacrifice. It was just him edging himself for the big jerk off he would have over his own personal victory.

His patience towards directly dealing with Shido cost many innocent people their lives. That seems like a pretty be wrong to me man.

Knew he was the villain when I first saw him.
Then you take one look at his persona and know he is a bad guy.
No one ever has a spell like Megido and stays with the party long.

Is Persona like having sex or something?

Otherwise I can't figure out why the fuck we have so many threads for it.

>>375486617
>long-awaited popular JRPG like 10 years in the making
>"wow why is this getting so many threads?"

>>375486607
Naoto had Megido too.

>>375485882
Why doesn't he steal his treasure like the Phantom Thieves MO? Then shoot his shadow if he wants him dead too.

>>375486782
Hence why I never trusted the bitch.
Then you have the guy in P3 with all physical skills that gets killed be Revolver Jesus.
In P1 you get the chick with Nuke who leaves the party.
Not sure if anyone betrayed you in P2 though.

>>375486393

There was no "right" way to take Shido down if you put it like that.

>>375486843

He didn't steal the treasure because he felt it was wrong to change people's hearts like the Phantom Thieves were.

>>375486981
What if he had recorded one of his "villainous exposition" conversations with shido and leaked it

>>375486950
>Everyone with megido is a traitor
>Literally only Akechi had Megido and ended up a traitor

>>375487063
But murder is okay?

>>375487110

He was in too deep at that point, he already killed for Shido during pretty much all of the juicy ones.

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>>375486981
Im not sure what you mean by this.

He could have just killed Shido, its not like he is innocent at all.

>>375487161

Killing people is better than erasing them from existence by rewriting their very heart and soul.

The people they become can't even be considered the same people, it's like if you cloned Hitler, made him a "good" guy, and then put him in jail for all the crimes the original committed.

>>375487232

You made it sound like what he did was wrong because he did it for the wrong reasons.

>>375486780

Seeing a sequel to my favorite JRPG would be a big thing, I get it.

Except, Chrono Trigger is never getting that and Persona has a lot of sequels. You're just being weird.

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>>375487575

>was hoping for him to be a lawfag
>get daddy issues
Rused like Goro himself

>>375487623

Why don't we play retard awareness?

You can be one and I can crack the whip.

>>375484639
Go back to sleep Sae, you have work tomorrow morning.

>>375487486
I admit it did partially sound like that, but my main point is he just should have dealt with it with his own power then saccing innocent people for his goal, which i do see as some thing he did wrong.

And even still, i very highly doubt after the behavior he displayed through the later half of the game, he would be somebody who would turn himself in after being successful.

Its not even a case where it was somebody "doing the right thing for the wrong reasons" when he didnt even end up doing the right thing at all. He was just way to dumb and took too long to do what he otherwise could right off the bat.

>>375484398
You get it on the last day of October, which gives you two months and she basically progresses each time. So you only need 10 sessions with her.

>>375487575
>a large no of weebs get excited for first numbered sequel in 7 years so something fresh with waifushit
It's not hard to comprehend.

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>>375483356
I cannot imagine what he was going to do had the Phantom Thieves not stop him

>shido: haha I'm the prime minister now
>akechi: I am your son
>shido: ok

>>375488438
>Go into palace
>cognitive Goro snipes him

>>375489383
There's no way cognitive Akechi could kill real Akechi if he wasn't half dead already.

>>375489549
>doubting Senator Armstrong's imagination

>>375489625
You're a fool if you think generic bad guy mcgee has an imagination.
Sure, he's deluded, that doesn't mean imaginative though.

>>375483356

> It's an end-game spoilers on the front page episode
> I-ITS YOUR OWN FAULT FOR NOT FINISHING THE GAME BRO DONT COME TO 4CHAN

>>375490479
Sorry, did you not look at the box art?

>>375487927

I have zero understanding of why this series isso popular, So you're the expert. All the characters look like fucking space aliens to me and I have zero reason for trying to fuck it.

>>375490479

>Being so autistic you couldn't tell Goro "MUH PANCAKES" Akechi was the traitor from the moment he appears

>>375484319
soon

>>375484298
This is the anime world, dude. No body = no death.

>>375488438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHcA3XS2nPs

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>>375483356

>>375483931
>father who wanted to sell her off as a sex doll to further his own agenda
>bad in anyway

If anything you should have mention he killed Futaba's mom.

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>>375492907
Haru didn't want her father dead and anything that endangers her smile is bad.

>>375483356
>going about his revenge in a stupidly obtuse way
>not just ruining baldy's life little by little making him go crazy
He's pretty stupid for a detective

>>375493128

You're making it sound so simple.

He would have killed Akechi the moment he did anything slightly suspicious.

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This the only Villain did nothing wrong. Including actually winning in the end. (Losing is wrong even if you did nothing wrong all the way up to that point.)

>>375484298
i liked both sayaka and akechi

Overall I liked P5 better than 4, but Adachi was so much better than Akechi

Adachi didn't have a sad story thrown in at the last moment to make you feel bad about this psychotic murderer. He didn't complain about NAKAMA SUCK like some Naruto reject.

He was just a loser who resented other people for not being losers like him and stumbled on some unique power and used it for shit and giggles.

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>>375494327
>Adachi was so much better than Akechi
Akechi was under Shido, he didn't use his powers for shit and giggles.
And Shido was the bad guy not Akechi himself.

>>375493239
>nier
>villains

>>375494686
>Akechi was under Shido, he didn't use his powers for shit and giggles
Isn't the flow of events him figuring out how to use his powers, getting famous, then going to Shido and offering his services?

You keep saying Akechi is under Shido but Shido literally cannot stop him if he goes into his palace and makes him go berserk. All he can do is take drugs that'll temporarily kill himself. Akechi even got to tag along and see how the whole heart changing process went, so he could have done it himself. But he's too far gone by that point and too obsessed with revenge to even consider it. People complain his plan is dumb but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be considered a dumb scheme from a warped kid in-universe too.

>>375484432

If you actually think this then you are a colossal retard.

>>375484432

>Shido killed all those people.

No he didn't, Akechi did, on Shido's command.

If someone told you to kill someone and you did it do you really think justice system would give a fuck that someone told you to do it?

You fucking peanut.

>>375483356

>It's an OP is a raging moron episode.

>>375495591

He couldn't gain Shido's trust, and later get him for the murders if the murders never happened.

They also terrible people, he was more just than the Phantom Thieves at least.

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>>375483356
I hate it when you already know that a team-member won't be around for long

Didn't use Shinji for the same reason

>>375496048

In P5 everyone gets the same EXP, or close to the same EXP depending on where you should have the Moon rank at that point, I used him anyway.

>>375484298
Being a villain doesn't relate to how much screen time you have.

>>375483356
It just occured to me that in all of these threads, I've never seen a single a single person counting as a villain posted who actually didn't do anything wrong.

I can't even think of anyone that qualifies.

>>375484643
>>375484805
Yeah but that's still both a crime and insanely wrong. That's brainwashing someone and ruining their lives to elevate yourself.

Also Goro wanted to kill Shido, his influence had nothing to do with it. Goro was willing to do whatever Shido asked because his end goal was to ruin Shido. He was a villain, with sympathetic motives here and there, but he was still a villain. And we do know his personality. He's an easily jealous, bipolar kid.

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>>375496386

Gotcha covered pham

>>375496491
>That's brainwashing someone and ruining their lives to elevate yourself.

You mean like the mean cast?

>>375483356
He did a lot wrong and he was a huge failure, but still a good rival.

>>375496612

main cast*

>>375485882
>Because that would be plain old murder
>He wanted to commit MULTIPLE murders

Also fun fact, you can't go out and kill a criminal just because he's been revealed as a criminal. That's still murder in every country.

>>375496495
>gundham
>did nothing wrong
No, the true ones who did nothing wrong were Junko and Shinguji

Why don't the girls I'm dating send me lewd pictures of themselves to my phone? I thought this was a highschool simulator, sort of?

>>375496786
mean cat*

Go to bed.

>>375495967
>They are also terrible people
>They include a random train driver
>People Akechi turned into criminals
>Innocent. Fucking. People on the train that derailed, who are still in critical at the end of the game AND included children
>Akechi is more just than the Phantom Thieves

t. Akechi

>unprofessional hitman
>shoots ally point-blank in the face
>it's just a prank bro

>>375483356
>cognition Akechi shows up
>Trust no one, not even yourself.

>>375496818

As I said, if I had to choose between killing them, or turning them into different people who were objectively good, killing them is the more moral choice to me.

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>>375495967
>Goro claims he's better than PT because he doesn't mind warp them
>Except he does mind warp them, to commit crimes they wouldn't have commit normally
>And on top of that he's a cold blooded killer

>>375484398
makotos dad is dead too bruv

>>375496612
Yes. Except while the cast target criminals to make them confess to crimes they did of their own free will, Goro is straight up confirmed to target anyone who could be favorable just to turn them INTO criminals for his own reputation boost. One of those is significantly eviler than the others.

>>375497087
You don't turn them into different people. You literally kill their apathy and force them to feel concience for the actions they've done.

>>375497145

How do you know those people were innocent before?

He could made a serial killer rob a bank in order to put him in jail for example.

>>375483356
>did nothing wrong
>literally did every crime enable through the metaverse
But you need to make a meme thread anyway

>>375497345

That's bullshit and you know it.

You can't tell me they're the same person afterwards.

Shido wouldn't have changed no matter what happens, he's the kind of person that would die before seeing the light.

>>375494686
>Akechi was under Shido, he didn't use his powers for shit and giggles.
I was talking about Adachi there. Adachi is much more believable character. He's just some random loser who resents other people for doing what he couldn't. He's someone you could find posting on /r9k/ in reality. And he found that amazing power and thought he'd have some fun with it while taking a bit of a revenge against the society he resents. No greater goods, no sappy backstory, no redemption, just some loser finally getting his hands on some power and using it for his amusement.

>>375497554
Because some of the people driven berserk are said to be normal, harmless people? Because a lot of the people he was attacking IN the fucking story, like the train driver, were only attacked because it would get at the Minister?

Because Goro fucking admits that he's been doing fucked up shit, but justifies it because "Shido has to pay"?

>>375497087
what get killed are the people distorted desires

>>375497728

The train driver was part of Shido's bullshit, I'm talking about the people he brainwashed.

>>375497728
this. His plan was to build up Shido to prime minister and then undo him by showing Shido as a lecherous man with an illegitimate son

>>375497687
Anon, I don't know what to tell you. That's literally what you do in game, you give them a concience and you make them feel guilt for their crimes. Crimes you never made them commit. Now that is morally ambigous, in the same way interrogating people who would never confess normally is morally ambigous, but it's not a greater evil than murder. That's fucking retarded.

>>375497818
It doesn't matter if he hit the train driver because Shido want's the Minister out of the way, Akechi chose his own target to humiliate said minister. Some random fucking train driver full of train passengers, which are seriously injured even through out the year. Goro, again, justifies this horrible action by saying "SHIDO IS A CUNT!"

Anon even the GAME points out that Goro is so fucking wrong that it's not even funny. The part that makes the PT sad is that Goro could become such a monster in the first place, and they blame Shido for allowing such a mentally unstable kid to carry out murders and chaos in his name. Goro. Was. Fucking. Evil. This isn't debatable.

>>375497757

They say that, but it's bullshit, they're clearly not the same people.

You'll telling I'm supposed to buy the fact a person like Kamoshida suddenly wouldn't be a pervert anymore because he realized a natural part of how he acted for years was wrong?

It's not like what Shido did to Akechi was that bad. He's a deadbeat dad, so fucking what? Akechi murders innocent people.

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>>375496386

>>375497979
He knew it was wrong, they beat the sense of superiority he was using to justify his actions out of him

>>375496619
>good rival
>outrused hard

This must be trolling. I can't believe people with functioning brains would unironically defend Akechi.

>>375497828

They never would have felt guilt in the first place if you didn't forcibly rewire their entire mind.

That's complete bullshit, and the changed versions of them don't deserve to sit in jail for the rest of their lives, the old versions do.

>>375484398
You're just bad. Gardening with Haru is the best. What have you been doing with your time?

>>375498183
>and the changed versions of them don't deserve to sit in jail for the rest of their lives, the old versions do.
Please tell me you're shitposting?

>>375497703
I think Akechi is believable in that he's a stupid teenager with no self esteem that came up with a convoluted plan instead of trying to face the problem head on. Just think of all the retarded emotional/hormone driven shit you did and thought as a teenager. I'm sure you had one or two elaborate revenge fantasies where you'd come out as the cool guy who outwitted everyone. Combine that with all the factors in Akechi's life and his powers and you get a kid that's fucked up in the head but thinks he's some criminal mastermind.

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>>375496386
>>375483356
The easy one

>>375498126
>He knew it was wrong

Never is this implied anywhere before you brainwash him.

His shadow self even believes Shiho came on to him at one point.

Somebody post Akechi making wacky faces

>>375498329
> Exchange sex for favors to a student
> Know it's not wrong or frowned upon

Dude, it's kamoshida, not /r9k/ the chracter

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>>375494686
>villain dismisses the power of friendship

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>Goro reveals his true identity
>I feel my bond with him growing stronger

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>>375483356
Shut up Akechi

>>375498225

Are you telling me using magic to turn a horrible person good, and see them cry their eyes out and beg for forgiveness is more satisfying than throwing them in jail and knocking them off their high horse?

The new them shouldn't have existed, and technically didn't do anything wrong.

>>375498451
>Goro is about to die
>I feel like I understand him better
His s link is going to get a complete overhaul in P5 Crimson, I'm sure.

>>375498451
>you weren't even actually there

>>375498329
Actually it's repeatedly implied, you fucking dipshit. He even repeatedly lords over the fact that you can never hurt him or make him pay for his actions because nobody will ever side with you. And no, his Shadow Self simply implies Shiho was a fucking idiot and that he deserved her because he's so great.

>>375498442

He fucking takes Ann out to town with him, of course he thinks it's okay.

>>375498517
Oh my god please tell me right now that you are shitposting. I may actually laugh at how fucking stupid this post is. Anon they aren't an entirely new person, they are still the person they were before, but now they feel guilt where as previously, BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING SOCIOPATHS, they did not feel guilt for their crimes.

I'm going to spoiler this since it's clear you haven't played the game and I don't want to blow your mind too much. THE. ENTIRE. POINT. OF. THE. FUCKING. GAME. IS. THAT. THEY. WILL. NEVER. BE. ARRESTED. WITHOUT. YOUR. MIND. RAPE.

>>375498269
My problem with him is not really his plan, it's just how everything happened.

1) Sad backstoy "B-BUT MUH CHILDHOOD" thrown in at the last moment to try to make you sad for a literal psychotic serial killer.

2) Power of friendship and him literally screaming "NAKAMAAAA!? FUCK THAT!!1!" like something straight out of Naruto or something.

3) Instant conversion. Whoops, I was a literal psychotic murderer that makes cartoon villain faces and scremed "fuck friendship" until 10 seconds ago, but your power of friendship really moved me so I'm going to sacrifice myself for the greater good.

>>375498572

Believing you're above the law isn't the same as realizing your actions are wrong, just that what applies to other people doesn't apply to you.

>>375483498
Nigga

>>375498752
Don't reply to this guy he's obviously just shitposting

>>375498129
Yeah but that just elevates the protagonists, he made a very minor slip-up that bit him in the ass hard. He obviously wasn't meant to be extremely competent.

>>375483356
As soon as he dropped the "Dead Mother" line out of nowhere I wanted him to fuck right the hell off.

Akechi was bullshit on every conceivable level.

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>>375483356
>Goro
>villain

>>375498680

You can't "fix" a sociopath, they will always be that way, unless, you know, you brainwash them.


>THE. ENTIRE. POINT. OF. THE. FUCKING. GAME. IS. THAT. THEY. WILL. NEVER. BE. ARRESTED. WITHOUT. YOUR. MIND. RAPE.

Which is why they should be killed, or let go.

>>375498943
FUCK OFF p. thieves

>>375498830

The fact you don't seem to understand what goes on in egotistical people's minds tells me you're egotistical yourself.

>>375497958
>not accepting your needy son's offers to work for you FOR FREE
Shido was lesser evil

>>375498743
Yeah the "redemption" story after the fight in Shido's palace really rubbed me the wrong way too. This is a guy who either ACTUALLY shot you in the fucking head, or THOUGHT he shot you in the fucking head. After seeing the bad end intentionally, I felt absolutely no feelings of forgiveness for his character arc. He's just a stupid kid.

>Its a /v/ wont shut the fuck up and stop spoiling game episode because they no life a 100+ hour game on easy mode

>>375483498
He was killing normal people too like the train driver. He was a faggot who killed people because LOVE ME DADDEH.

All I can hear in this thread is SHIDOU DINDU NUFFIN, IT WAS GORO ALL ALONG

>>375499468
>game has been out almost a month
>hurr durr you can't have beaten the game in this time

I beat it a week ago and I work fucking 55 hours a week.

>>375499468
The game's been spoiled for 7 months faggot, be happy you were ignorant for this long while still coming here, because most of us weren't that lucky.

With these tweaks, would Akechi have been better?

1. Joins the party earlier
2. Have him talk about his past a little more
3. Actually hangs out with them once or twice so he can experience friendship and make saving them more understandable
4. Playing off #3, change his screaming at the boss fight from FUCK NAKAMA to something like "I've come so far I can't stop now" which keeps in line with him being too far gone and gives a valid (valid, not rational or even good) reason to fight the party

>>375499468
Also Igor is fake and yaldabaoth in disguise.

>>375499556

More like

>MUH TRAIN DRIVER! HOW DARE YOU KILL MUH HUSBANDO, GORO YOU BASTARD!!!

>>375499468
Akechi being the traitor isn't even the real spoiler.

>>375498943
>or let go
Are you retarded?

>>375499580
>100 fucking hours on easy mode

Sorry pussy bitch some of us want a real challenge on there first round and dont play 12 hours a day

>>375499840
>implying I didn't finish it in 70 hours on Hard

Don't blame me for you sucking.

>>375499468
If I purposefully did not go on /v/ until I beat the game, then so can everybody else.

>>375498943
The Kamoshida, Madarame, Kenshiro, Okumura, and Shidou also deserve to die. If you think this exclusively for Goro, then you are a hypocrite.

>>375499693
>1. Joins the party earlier
No that wouldn't work at all. He's supposed to be against you, and him joining shortly before he betrays you is fine since he never really planned to "work" with you. That's all perfectly fine as it is.
>2. Have him talk about his past a little more
I don't necessarily think he should talk about his past more but you should interact with him way more. Even if it's just him showing up at random places like he does at Leblanc and you exchanging words.
>3. Actually hangs out with them once or twice so he can experience friendship and make saving them more understandable
The problem with this is that the party make their contempt for him well known, and it's even a driving force in the game for them. Now him hanging out with just Joker (since he said he wanted to speak with you if time permit) would be decent.
>4. Playing off #3, change his screaming at the boss fight from FUCK NAKAMA to something like "I've come so far I can't stop now" which keeps in line with him being too far gone and gives a valid (valid, not rational or even good) reason to fight the party
Nah his boss fight, in which he turns into a whiny manchild screaming about the very idea that he doesn't hate Joker is fine. It got across the message that Goro isn't the calm and collected killer he pretends to be, and that Shido sees him as, but he's just a child without control, given deadly powers, and going nuts.

>>375499489

He didn't want Shido's love, he knew someone like Shido would only ever be truly defeated if you stripped him of his pride and stole everything from him.

He lived to see Shido get so utterly BTFO'd he'd probably jump out the window of his office to escape embarrassment the moment he realized his asshole loser son was the downfall of him.

You cucked him out of the one awesome moment he could have had.

>>375499816

So good, we agree they should be killed.

>>375500014

That's exactly my point, I'm the guy defending Goro.

>>375500240
I can't wait for Akechi and Adachi to meet in a spinoff and argue about whether pancakes or cabbage is the better food.

>>375498943
Yours is the dumbest chain of comments I've read on /v/ in years.

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>it's a "people defend Akechi/Adachi" thread

You're not winning any Internet points for being edgy

>>375500168
Please never breed

>>375501042
Except most of the thread is against Akechi

>>375501042

>Thinking brainwashing is wrong is an edgy opinion

You weebs need to get out into the real world more.

>>375501145
>Please never breed

I don't even like girls.

>>375500240
PQ2: "This Ferris Wheel" Edition isn't going to have to reach far to bastardize this cast

What? He did everything wrong. He goes around, murdering the parents of your team members, he does it for revenge and wants to destroy his father, he puts a bullet through your brain and he's a psychopath. How do you even come to the conclusion that he did nothing wrong?

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>This thread

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>>375501212
>brainwashing is wrong is an edgy opinion
>killing people and turning them psychotic isn't an edgy opinion

>>375501428
Turning them psychotic also counts as brainwashing, genius.

>>375501428

Brainwashing them is worse than killing.

They aren't even the same people anymore.

It was so sad to see Shido would rather die than become a different person.

>>375501563
Same people. Now guilty. Now if you brainwashed Kamoshida to turn him into Subaru Smith who loves everything in the world, then yeah he'd be a different person.

>>375501342
After what Persona Q did with Door-kun and Swagtagonist, I would fucking love a Q2 with Joker.

>>375501563
>Shido would rather die than become a different person
That's because Shido would either spend the rest of his life in jail OR be executed for the sheer scale of his crimes. It's better to take a chance and at the very least kill the PTs in the process rather than have his plans go up in smoke.

>>375484398
Yeah the endgame is pretty tight with story events and not much free time is available. It barely makes sense you can go out and do most s links during palace 7 but they do make characters like haru available mostly every day and she is easy to please . Just make use of all this time carefully to try and Max everything you can. It's easy if you're efficient

>>375501705

Kamoshida suddenly doesn't want to fuck every girl he sees, I'd say he's a different person.

So if they went all the way, and made him a dick loving homo, would you still say he was the same person?

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>Rivers in the Ass

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>>375483356
> villain who murdered lots of people did nothing wrong

this meme again. So sick of these threads.

>>375501768

He wouldn't even still have that thought anyway, the old Shido that didn't want to go to jail would be dead.

>it's an OP's a cuck with defeatist mindset
You're BLM-tier scum.

>>375499468
Beat the game weeks ago on hard, fuck off of 4chan if you don't want spoilers dumbass

>>375502131
What does this even mean /pol/?

He killed lots of innocent people in the food industry just so Big Bang Burger can rise in power and profits. Then he killed the CEO of the Big Bang Burger....

>>375501042
It's some depressive retard that enjoys playing the fool for the passing amusement of internet strangers

Whoever raised him deserves death

>>375502320
>Whoever raised him deserves death
no anon you are the edgelord

Anybody have any persona 5 macros (memes) I can send to my friend? He hates weebshit and is very annoyed I haven't played battlegrounds with him since I was finishing p5. If I get any good reactions I'll post them here

>>375502440
>wanting terrible people who ruin lives dead is a bad thing

>>375501830
Him wanting to fuck girls or not is never brought up, it's only specifically said he will never treasure his most sacred treasure, that's what stealing does to that treasure. It's entirely possible that he still wants to fuck girls, but feels guilty for the crimes he has done.

Also your analogy is fucking stupid, and so are you.

>>375502101
He would have and did. His first reaction to getting his heart changed is to go "shit, they won" and take pills to try and stop them. Post change, these characters are still evil, they simply are driven to confess their crimes.

>>375502597
>posting on an anonymous tibetan throat-singing forum
>ruining lives
I think you got some wires crossed there buddy

>>375502597

>You don't even know me but want me dead because I have a different opinion

As expected of people who defend the Phantom Thieves.

>>375502682
>these characters are still evil, they simply are driven to confess their crimes

No, he was crying his eyes out and he said he was a horrible person, he was still evil.

>>375502887
I don't get what you're trying to say. You appear to be agreeing with me.

>>375502740
>raising someone who enjoys making others think he's retarded
>not absolutely vile
>>375502787
No, I want your mom and father dead for failing to raise you

>>375503224

I wasn't clear enough, but I was being sarcastic.

He's clearly not evil anymore.

>>375503225
>No, I want your mom and father dead for failing to raise you

So you want an INNOCENT person dead for my opinions.

As expected of someone who defends the Phantom Thieves.

>>375503441
Please remember this exchange when your mom gets killed.

>>375503597

I have immunity cat.

>>375503225

>He has a different opinion from me, he must be pretending to be retarded!

Akechi killed Futaba's mom and that innocent subway driver and you faggots are seriously still debating whether that shit head is evil

Akechi is a worse person than Shido

>>375503308
Except he is?

>>375504910
>Akechi
>worse than Shido
He's more stupid than Shido, that's for sure.

>>375505017

Prove it.

>>375504910

Shido did that, not Akechi.

>>375487063
Akechi didn't even know how to steal treasure, he was surprised to learn sending a calling card from the phantom thieves was required to steal it.

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>>375483356
>first time I see him
>soft-spoken, friendly guy who never loses his temper
>Akechi
>Adachi
>"Oh, he's evil"
>keep playing
>he's fucking evil
BRAVO ATLUS

>>375505153

"""surprised"""

>>375505140
>Shido did that
By telling Akechi to.
Shido cannot enter the world by himself. Only Akechi had access.

>>375505256

If Akechi hadn't done that, Shido would just get someone else to get rid of them in the real world.

Akechi was just carrying Shido's sins until he could drown him with them.

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>>375499701
Everything in this game is telegraphed and easy to figure out. Even Igor being fake is blatantly obvious with his voice change. Yabbadabbado is someone new so who cares about that.

>>375505357
Yeah, he would. But Akechi willingly gave out his services to him.

>>375505497
>But Akechi willingly gave out his services to him
what a slut

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>>375505210
>there's a traitor in your group
>pancakes joins
>automatic SL

>>375505465
>Even Igor being fake is blatantly obvious with his voice change
Not really. Igor's old VA is dead. They didn't even recast a new original Igor voice and just used his old voice clips in Japanese.

>>375483356
One of those rare characters where you really can't say this.

Goro is irredeemable, monstrous trash.

>>375505581
Akechi pleases old men for emotional fulfillment!

>>375505497

Because he saw the perfect chance to take out Shido and took it.

>>375505815
>irrelevant politician is my shit dad
>should I go to the cognitive world and bust a cap in him
>or should I help him rise in power and kill many innocent people
>ok time to serve him for my revenge in him

>>375505071
Prove that he's not? Guilt =/= Good

>>375498743
>>3) Instant conversion. Whoops, I was a literal psychotic murderer that makes cartoon villain faces and scremed "fuck friendship" until 10 seconds ago, but your power of friendship really moved me so I'm going to sacrifice myself for the greater good.
really bugged me

I wish more of the team was like Ryuji, Makoto, and somewhat Haru in that they thought "well, a bit conflicted about what I just saw, but he was a fucked up insane murderer"

Honestly the only reason I slightly felt bad for him was "wow, you're really messed up huh"

>>375505660
In English his voice is way too different for someone to not think that there is something wrong. I did not play it with the jap va but I wish they did the reusing voice clips thing for English because they really did give it away the second Igor spoke.

>>375505815
Doesn't matter, still willingly served Shido for his own ambitions.

>>375506062
>I'm going to die here, the shadows will overwhelm the PT
>Fuck that, instead, I'm going to kill Fake Myself and let the PT go and kill Shido

This is literally what happens. He doesn't sacrifice himself to save you, he was dead either way. But if the PT dies too, who stops Shido?

>>375506058
It certainly doesn't equate to evil.

You stole his desires. He has no evil within him any longer.

>>375506158
>He doesn't sacrifice himself to save you
he kinda does; there were ways out of that

furthermore he does that stupid "promise me you'll stop him!"

Why wasn't there "well, I will, but not for you" option

>>375506140
>In English his voice is way too different for someone to not think that there is something wrong
In Japanese it's the same exact thing except the seiyuu died so your first thought should be "oh, makes sense". The English change would then be to reflect the Japanese one.

>>375504910
he killed innumerable people, in fact

The number of random incidents was a problem before you got there and that's not even counting whoever else he murdered or drove insane.

>>375499208
I don't think you're supposed to forgive him, considering several of the main party say he's still unforgivable. It's more like he's supposed to represent how easily anyone in the main party could've gone down the same road he did, as he has a similar life situation to them; that's why they're sympathetic to him during that section.

>>375506140
>I did not play it with the jap va but I wish they did the reusing voice clips thing for English because they really did give it away the second Igor spoke.
Sorry, I may have been a little unclear. They only reused the voice clips when the real Igor came back. The fake Igor's voice was just as unsettlingly deep as the English VA, but they had the excuse of the voice actor being dead and them going in an edgy direction with P5's premise so you'd think they were trying something different.

>>375506202
That's not at all how that works

>>375506268
No there straight up wasn't. Cognotive Goro offers him a chance to serve his purpose, kill you, but that Goro also said quite bluntly that both Goros are going to die for Shido. So he shoots you, gets shot, shoots himself, gets shot. But one of those results in the PT's getting away to stop Shido, and another results in everyone dying.

>Why wasn't there "well, I will, but not for you" option
Because the guy just saved you, whether he did it out of spite or out of good intentions or however you view it, and that's a bit of a massive cunt thing to say.

>>375506472
>>That's not at all how that works
Are you retarded?

>>375504910
It's literally one bored retard

>>375506415
>considering several of the main party say he's still unforgivable
I feel like people are only paying attention just enough so they can make shitposts about it later because so many miss that.

>>375506472
This is no way to live anon

>>375506415
>>375506590
They really don't, they bitch and moan about a psychotic murder getting "killed"

Yusuke is the only one who isn't about to burst into tears

>>375506508
No I just paid attention to the game and realise that the game states you force them to feel guilt for their crimes, not redeem them. Shit their appearance in Mementos shows just how little they've changed, even if Yald is urging them to be slothful bastards.

>>375506601
???

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>that fucking Goro breakdown on the ship
>PERUSONAAAAAAARGH
>that entire "fuck nakama" rant he does
>COME! LOKI!
>that insane laugh
>equally perfect acting in both English and Japanese
I can't believe they pulled it off in the English version too. Holy fuck.

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>>375505210
Adachi loses his cool a couple of times before the reveal. He definitely had more of his true nature showcasing than Akechi did since Akechi's downfall was mentioning pancakes that only a talking cat mentioned.
>yfw that makes any fucking sense anywhere but in this game

>>375505990

Again, attacking Shido at that point was pointless.

He might get arrested, but kicking him down at full power would allow most people to know he's a villain, and that would be his worst nightmare.

>>375506693
No, no they don't do that at all. Maybe when they call Shido out once for being a dick when he admits he know Goro was his son, but that's about it.

>>375506945
How do you get enjoyment from this? Don't you have any self-esteem?

>>375506779
>Shit their appearance in Mementos shows just how little they've changed

That was their neutered shadow selves, not the actual characters.

>>375504910
>Akechi is a worse person than Shido
Where's the contest, both are bad, who ordered to pin it on her kid, political manipulation or even birthed the retard called Akechi?

>>375507097
Said Shadows represent their inner most self, so yeah.

>>375506945
He had access to the Metaverse for two years though. He could have forced a change of heart on him and made him confess at any point but never bothered because his plan is retarded as shit.

>>375507147
>Where's the contest, both are bad, who ordered to pin it on her kid, political manipulation or even birthed the retard called Akechi?
fix this sentence

>>375505652
I feel that's the problem. From the very start, there was never a viable traitor aside from Akechi.

>>375507082

Do you think you can humor me for a second and imagine a world where you wish fulfillment weeb protagonists aren't the ultimate good just because they're the main characters?

>>375507202
Sure thing.
Where's the contest?
Both are bad. Who was the one who ordered for Futaba's mum's false note? Or was politically corrupt?
Or even birthed the retard we know as Goro Akechi?
All of it could've fixed with no bareback.

>>375507306
This lifestyle will ruin you, you're better than this

>>375507192
>He could have forced a change of heart

He wouldn't do that because he considers it wrong to change hearts, for good reason.

>>375507257
The only time I've ever read people thinking Akechi wasn't the traitor was when they faked themselves out about him being way too obvious.

>>375507163

That's like saying Kanji was gay because his shadow was gay.

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>>375506945
>for my revenge to have a point, I must be his hitman and kill many innocent people for him to rise up
>>375507374
>and yet murdering innocent people for my dad in order to get close to him for revenge is better!
Fuck off Goro.

>>375507526
How did an alpha like Shido birth Goro?

>>375507526

Again, Goro didn't do that, Shido did all that.

Goro is just a tool of Judgement, ready to strike down Shido for his crimes.

>>375507496
Different kinds of Shadows

>>375507374
That's so fucking stupid I can't even comprehend it. He still could have used the Metaverse to find evidence of his crimes and reveal him as a crook using his supposed detective skills. Then after everyone hated Shido he could have killed him then. Besides if he hates changing people's hearts why does he use a persona with an entire gimmick dedicated to turning people insane? Actually why didn't he just do that to Shido?

>>375506826
This image never fails to make me laugh. It's such a perfect representation of their dynamic. Ryuji is such an idiot I can easily imagine him moving to fist fight a cat.

>>375507690
Nope, Goro did that.

>>375507374
Nope, Goro changes hearts. He makes people berserk to solve crimes. He's a hypocrite, kind of an essential part of his character which has him come into conflict with you.

>>375507690
You're better than this

>>375507806

Turning people insane briefly isn't changing their heart.

And he did plan to expose all of Shido's secrets before killing him.

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I need KINDNESS and I need it QUICK

HELP

>>375507902
>going on /v/ willingly
>bitching about getting spoiled
baka desu sempai

>>375507880
>Nope, Goro did that

Goro did it, under Shido's orders.

>its another 'japanese game full of white people' episode

>>375507991
Flower shop and check if there's a movie playing that gives it. Should also have been giving your plant bio nutrients everytime you can.

>>375508001
especially when /v/ has been pretty good about P5 spoilers for the first 2 weeks or so after release

>>375507991
Work at the flower shop in the underground mall in Shibuya and buy the kindness game from the shop in Akihabara.

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>>375507690
>>375507953
Shut up Goro. Go back to the Pancake Palace and whine about how your dad never hugged you.
>Turning people insane briefly isn't changing their heart.
You're right. It's changing their mind, which is even worse.

>>375508251

They went back to normal the moment they were arrested, unlike the targets of the Phantom Thieves.

>>375508037
If your cousin tells you to eat babies and you go and actually do it does that mean it's not your fault for eating those babies? That's not a good excuse for his crimes.

>>375508316

Goro was just a tool to Shido.

It's like stabbing someone in the back and claiming the grim reaper did it.

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>>375508251
That's fantastic, holy shit.

>>375508037
Yep, Goro did that. Glad we're finally on the same page.

>>375508570

Goro did it, but it was Shido's fault they died.

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>>375508251

So is his body just never found?

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>>375508314
So you sent a lot of people who didn't even know why the fuck they killed other people to either prison or execution too, for the sake of building a reputation.
>>375508424
You chose to murder, Goro. Your analogy is stupid and so are you.

>>375508704
news report on one day mentions a mangled corpse being found

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Do you know what day it is today?

>>375508710

It doesn't matter if Goro chose to murder them or not, Shido's evil ambitions forced them to die, and Goro was going to act as an avatar of justice and kill him for it, that's who Goro is, and why he's represented by the Justice arcana.

I bet you're one of those people who say Ken killed Shinji.

>>375508810
It's creepy that no one talks about what happened to Goro after he disappeared.

>>375508704
It was never found because he's not really dead.

>>375508918
Ken DID kill Shinji

Are you deluded?

>>375496491
We don't know enough about Akechi's life pre-Black Masked killer. From the sounds of it there was a time where he wanted to gain his father's favor before realizing what a horrible person he was, abandoning his illegitimate family aside.

>>375508634
Nope, Goro gets the blame as well. Shido for ordering it, Goro for doing it. Stop being a retard.

>>375483356
http://bnewg.sokuho.org/article/p5-10201847.html?seesaa_related=related_article

Even Japan agrees Akechi is retarded as fuck.

That's the reason why his position in the polls fell really bad, Even fujoshis couldn't defend this Pancunt fuck.

>>375509029
We actually do know about Akechi's life pre-Black Mask Killer. He was an outcast who was trying to turn himself into a beacon of justice so he could get to Shido. It's ALL he wanted. It is NEVER suggested that he even for one nanosecond wanted to have his father's favor.

>>375486302
Loki is a Fool persona, isn't he?

>>375508634
OK, so if I tell you to go kill someone and you do, you should be fine, right?

Well hop to it pussy

>>375508424
He's guilty by association.

>>375501042
Whoa, looking cool Joker!

>>375509018

Shinji let himself die because he was weighed down by his sins and slowly dying from the drugs anyway.

He went to Ken knowing he was about to die, and wanted to be judged by Ken's hand.

And even then, it was Revolver Jesus who shot him.

>>375509220

Goro built his whole life around taking Shido down, he does what he does to get rid of him.

All that stuff he did, he did to paint Shido as the true evil, even if it ruined his own image.

>>375509275
>Adachi was an attractive villain but Akechi is a fucking pancake
The first Japanese Google Translate that has good grammar and it was this.
Will Gorofags even recover?

>>375509275

You expect me to be able to read moon?

>>375509317

I'm not an avatar of justice, I didn't choose to bare that burden.

>>375508704
No, because then he couldn't come back in Crimson.

>>375509348

It's all part of his plan to take Shido down, it sucks they had to die, but it's for the better.

>>375509670
First of all, no, the implication is that Goro is ensuring he will be an Ace Detective long after Shido is gone. Second of all this has already been established through the thread, that Goro wanted Shido grovelling and broken because of him, congratulations. Goro is still evil. Goro is still guilty of the things he did under Shido's command. This isn't actually debatable.

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Why are the current characters in persona games so against killing? The cast of P1 and P2 had no issues with this when the need arise.

Hell even Raidou, and other devil summoners will cut a guy down if need be.

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Do you think Goro looks at himself in the mirror and thinks "least I'm not Yuki Mishima" or is it the reverse?

>>375510093
because they're high schoolers

>>375510093
P5 justifies this by pointing out that the PT want their victims to confess and serve their time at the hands of the law. Which is a lot better than "we don't want to kill him because we don't want to be like him" in my opinion.

Also what? In P1 and P2 they were extremely reluctant to kill other humans.