>G2A rep roasted by developers during live Q&A https

pls respond

>>374453305
>>374452621
who cares, if your gonna accuse a company of stealing keys then you gotta provide the burden of proof, if you don't like take your business elsewhere

>>374452621
>can't spare any to work on identifying stolen keys themselves

How the fuck would that even work? If it was possible to check if the credit card was legit the original store actually making the sale would have done so.

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What the fuck is with these bitches like OP complaining about G2A. Where is all of this shit coming from? First piracy is bad now these fuckers are coming over with their moralfaggotry and complaining about G2A

>>374453746
Piracy is better option than buying from G2A for all parties involved

>>374452621
>stop being so harsh on them selling illegitimate keys because 40% of their 750 employees are women

Kek.

>>374452621
Nothing they're doing is illegal.

These are just big crybaby developer tears.

>>374452621
>hey if you prove we stole this shit, we'll give 10% of it back
fucking genius

>>374452621
Is eBay responsible for making sure people aren't selling stolen goods?

G2A doesn't provide the stolen keys, they just give people a platform to sell them

I honestly dont give two fucks where the keys come from, all i care is the price.

>>374453853

Pretty much. As grey as it might be and as much as devs bitch about it, the truth of the matter is they're not doing anything illegal.

Morally though? Who the fuck cares, it's always about money.

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>>374453816
>He thinks we can pirate online games like BF1

>>374453746
Unlike your average pirate G2A profits from actual crime. There's a point to be made against them but I don't expect some chucklefuck on twitter to present a good argument so this thread is pointless.

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Explain to me how G2A is any worse than used copies.

>>374453982
Why would you want to play BF1 anyway

>>374453454
>if your gonna accuse a company of stealing keys then you gotta provide the burden of proof
they pretty much confirmed that the shit is stolen
why would they say 10% if they werent expecting to get busted
if they werent stolen they would have said 100%, not 10

>>374453946
>Is eBay responsible for making sure people aren't selling stolen goods?

Actually, yes.

>>374453853
Actually.... the Napster case set the precedent. If illegal shit is going down on your platform, and you are hosting that crime, you are responsible.
G2A can get sued in the USA.

>>374452621
How exactly is anyone "stealing" keys from these guys?

>>374454024
So eBay investigates every item put up for sale if its stolen?

Or do they just take action if someone can prove to eBay that it was stolen?

>>374454052
>How exactly is anyone "stealing" keys from these guys?
They pretend to be eCelebs and get free keys

are these threads made by dirt poor south americans like the cemu ones?

>>374454010
Stop trying to change the subject. You know what I mean.

You can't get cheaper prices on online games other than G2A. I'm not spending fucking $60 for a game that came out a year ago.

>>374454024
http://www.ebay.com/gds/How-to-avoid-buying-a-stolen-bike-/10000000177398217/g.html

Why do people have guides to avoid it then? Shouldn't eBay make sure no bikes are stolen?

>>374453946
>Is eBay responsible for making sure people aren't selling stolen goods?

Yes, they are. They get sued in the USA all the time.
Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%26M_Records,_Inc._v._Napster,_Inc.

>>374454008
I can't

>>374452621
only poorfags and retards buy on G2A

I mean, even pirates are more respectable than G2A customers, at least they don't actively screw developers, G2A has caused some devs to shutdown already

>>374454008
When chargebacks occur due to stolen credit cards getting revoked, the developer from who the game key was obtained from is charged both the amount the key was bought for and an additional fee, which means that the developer is losing more than just the value of the game

>>374454194
>USA
Literally who cares

>>374454096
eBay has to demonstrate in court that it takes every measure possible to reduce fraud on their service.
If it is found they aren't taking some possible measure to cut costs, they will get sued.

>>374454052
Buying keys with stolen credit card information, which might end up with the actual card owner doing a chargeback and fucking the store out of the money, social engineering schemes like >>374454120 etc.

>>374452621
>that video
>some britcuck being rude for no reason

>>374454096
The latter.

>>374452621
They are doing nothing illegal.
All the people bitching about it can come up with "well it's immoral" Fuck your morals bitch. Money is what counts. Morals don't put food on the table, if you can screw someone do it they would have 0 fucks given if they did it to you.

Literally WHO GIVES A SHIT

>>374452621
>roasted

Kill yourself, redditor fuck.

>>374454008
>you are a developer selling a $30 game
>guy used stolen credit card to buy 1000 keys on G2A
>the stolen card owner charges back to get his money
>you pay back all the money, and $30 per chargeback
>instead of making $30000, you just lost $30000

This isn't counting taxes and fees.
A mass stolen credit card purchase from G2A can bankrupt a smaller developer.
Humble Bundle actually nearly shut down because of that early on.

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>>374453746
>I paid $5 for this $60 game in turn over new leave!

>>374453454
They can't take their business elsewhere because many of them aren't in business with them at all, but people steal credit cards to buy codes to resell on G2A and then do a chargeback on the credit card so now not only is someone else making money off the dev's game, the dev is being charged for the privilege. Any developer with a brain would rather you just pirate the game instead of buying it on G2A because at least then they aren't eating the cost.

>>374454270
The store gets hit by a chargeback. That's why Valve takes a 30% cut on every sale, because they carry all the overhead and risk. Are you telling me indie devs are retarded enough to host a completely insecure storefront from their mom's basement and then complain about getting scammed?

>>374454235
I only buy PSN cards on G2A, who give a fuck about devs?

>>374454334
>so what DO you guys pay your employees to do?!
>uh, marketing, and...
>[SNORT] HAHAHA MARKETING? HAHAHA YOU RETARD. ASSHOLE.

>>374454286
>biggest market in the world
>who cares lol

>>374454316
>Buying keys with stolen credit card information
This isn't anybody's problem

>which might end up with the actual card owner doing a chargeback and fucking the store out of the money
What's to stop literally anyone from doing this, buying through G2A or not?

>social engineering schemes like >>374454120
That's just plain old stupidity.

>>374454235
>G2A has caused some devs to shutdown already
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>374454495
People who like to play video games.

>>374452621
Who is G2A and why is their name being shilled everywhere since last week nonstop

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>>374452621
>roasted

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>>374453746
they're all powerless anyway so who cares

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>>374454642
>$40 for a VN

>>374454604
its like eBay for steam keys pretty much

people in russia buy up keys for cheap since everything costs less over there, and then they sell them to americans for less than america would normally pay, but still enough to make a profit in Russia

>>374454604
They partnered with gearbox for something and totalbuttbong made a video shitting on them.

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big companies will squeeze a buck out of me if they can, so i don't feel bad for buying games as cheap as i can. capitalism faggot.

also stolen keys on G2A are blown way out of proportion, if it was really as wide scale as people say, no-one would be using G2A. and if you think about it, the people who want to get rid of stolen keys the most is G2A themselves, because it's bad for their reputation.

friendly reminder that steam tried to make you pay for mods, and that every major dev will squeeze as much money out of you as they can

Maybe people should stop getting their credit cards stolen, hmmmm?

>>374454235
Burden or proof

>>374454472
see >>374454642

>>374454604
G2A is a marketplace where you can sell unused game keys.
Ideally, you sell a key you got in a bundle that you don't need.
Practically, you use stolen credit cards to buy keys, then sell them there, and when the chargeback comes you aren't hit with it.

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>Shovel Knight keeps prices at $15. Only lowering the price by $5 during sales.

>They raise the price instead of decreasing it for sales

>Find codes for Shovel Knight for $5


Much better deal, fuck them and their jewsih tactics of raising the price.

>B-but the devs!

Who cares? I'm here to save a couple bucks. Not pay full price for a 2 year old game.

The more these devs try to Jew us the more we're going to just buy from G2A

>>374454145
>I'm not spending fucking $60 for a game that came out a year ago.
>BF1
>october 2016
>a year ago

>>374454707

That's actually pretty standard pricing for VNs now.

>>374454449
I would have sympathy if it was not just "indie" devs producing a 2D "retro" zelda clone. and calling it $30 content. These are the people who moan about G2A. Call me when EA or any other big name starts bitching.

No fucking walking simulator is worth $30 fucking $5 at best. Over pricing your shitty "games" about Gender fluid black spacemen walking about is what gave rise to this.

>>374454825

move those goalposts more buddy

>>374454780
And then they want to blame consumers for going under. What a bunch of clowns.

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>>374454775
>penny pinching
>buying stolen good
>calling others jews

>>374454708
Oh, so that's where all the butthurt is coming from. Devs are mad that their regional pricing scams are falling apart. It's really bullshit that Steam will literally ban you for buying games with other currencies to benefit from their pricing.

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>>374452621
>What are your thoughts on G2A handling this, and on their business in general?

Developers are not my friends, and their profits are not my concern (just as the state of my finances, and my ability to buy games at full price, is not their concern). As long as G2A sells keys at competitive prices, I don't see a reason to not use their service (I actually go to Kinguin more often anyways).

I'm honestly wondering just how far publishers and developers are going to take this.

>don't pirate games, even though they're free
>don't buy used games, even though they're cheaper
>don't go to keyseller sites, even though they're cheaper

At what point are they going to start telling us that the only way to support them is to preorder at full price, and get the season pass while we're at it?

>>374454449
Isn't it on the stores to make sure CC arn't stolen and that orders are legit?

Or are these publishers cutting the middle men and selling their own keys and bitching that they assume the risk?

>>374452621
>40% of their workers are women

Most of them probably aren't doing shit as well lol

>>374454758
Why were they selling games through an insecure storefront? You know why they were hit by chargeback keys? They took stolen money and allowed fraud to happen, they are not the victims here.

>>374454568
How is that a good thing?

>>374454872
An old game is an old game.

>>374454918
>Isn't it on the stores to make sure CC arn't stolen and that orders are legit?
Yes, and the issue is that G2A doesn't do that. This is the whole drama right now.

>>374454008
On G2A some keys being sold were purchased with stolen credit cards or from other forms of fraud. During a chargeback situation, the dev and/or the shop runner like Steam not only looses the money of the product but also any additional fees levied from the bank.

For used games, the devs already got their money when the game was first purchased. That is assuming the game wasn't physically stolen or ill-gotten via some other means initially. If there was a credit fraud situation the shop owner takes the hit rather than the dev.

I don't really give a shit, some devs like Rockstar are jews and never put their games on sale at a reasonable price.

>>374454896
>At what point are they going to start telling us that the only way to support them is to preorder at full price, and get the season pass while we're at it?
Arent they already doing that?

>>374454856
It's not moving goalposts if it is true. Do you see any dev of a reputable company bitching about this? and no some asshole hipster moaning on twatter about it is not reputable.

>>374454775
>$15
>for a game that is still referenced and praised regularly years after launch
>jewish

Nah m8 you're just broke af

>>374454978
They don't even see a credit card, how is that supposed to work? If I tried to sell you something how would you check if I bought it with stolen money?

No sympathy, I want cheap keys and I don't want to support the increasing price of games.

>buy dozens of g2a games
>all the keys have worked fine for years

It's pretty hard convincing people keys are stolen when they clearly work fine. If they were stolen why haven't the developers revoked them?

>>374454872
I personally haven't seen any hard proof that the games I've bought from G2A are stolen. Why should I care? Should I boycott Craigslist as well?

>>374454884
Pretty much, G2A and GreenManGaming have been around forever, I think people just realized this gets more (you)s than the "Why do you pirate?" threads now that everyone is fucking sick of that bait

>>374454932
The developer doesn't sell their own games on G2A.
Random brazilian hackers steal credit card information with email spam or whatever, use the credit card to buy 100 games on Steam, and sell the keys on G2A.
Then when the person wants their money back, the bank hits Steam, Steam hit the developer. As the developer, you can't exactly tell Steam to fuck off.

So the developer doesn't do business with G2A at any point.

>>374452621
Just stop letting your keys be stolen if it's so bad for you :^)

>>374455035
Whatever you say dev shill , shouldn't have raised the price.

>>374455054
>>buy dozens of g2a games
>>all the keys have worked fine for years

Ubisoft kills copies of Far Cry 4 sold through third parties.
https://www.destructoid.com/ubisoft-kills-copies-of-far-cry-4-sold-through-third-parties-286686.phtml

Over 7,000 Sniper Elite 3 stolen keys revoked.
https://www.engadget.com/2014/06/30/over-7-000-stolen-sniper-elite-3-steam-keys-revoked/

1,341 Natural Selection 2 keys stolen, costs developer $30K in fees.
https://unknownworlds.com/blog/beware-shady-key-resellers-and-discount-steam-keys/

30,000 Blackwell Deception keys revoked after giveaway exploit.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/luB9P/blackwell-deception

Devolver Digital actively cancels games purchased through reseller.
https://twitter.com/devolverdigital/status/466577590606520320

All links to different websites, in case you call me a shill.

>>374454775
>>374454896
Pretty much this.

Insuring that devs and mostly publishers make their profit is neither my fucking problem nor responsibility, it is theirs.
I will buy used goods and I will buy from online marketplaces as long as I can save a few bucks.
And not only will I not feel any guilt whatsoever, I will actually be happy with the savings I've made. Corporate shills can cry all they want.

>>374452621
What does "grey" mean? Anything that's on the user marketplace? If so, an extra 10% from keys that people literally already bought from the fucking devs does sound like a pretty good deal. How jewish are these people?

I don't give a fuck about G2A, if they sell cheap keys I hope they stay selling them for ages, fuck off

>>374455054
>revoke stolen keys for Game: Origins
>fans mad, you lose favor
>Game 2: The Sequel doesn't sell as well
>you are known as that publisher who cancels keys

>>374454235
Can you name at least 3 devs shutdown ? I'm just curious

>>374455262
Haha, this just proves my point. Developers do revoke game keys. Yet none of mine have been revoked, meaning all my keys are legit.

>>374455128
Chargebacks are a fine the banks give you to punish shit security. They are charged to the store, not the developer. Can you imagine Gamestop billing Nintendo the chargeback if I buy Zelda with a stolen credit card from them?

Indie shits are lying to you to make it seem like this is a problem they couldn't have avoided. They tried to run a webstore and got burned for it.

Literally every time i've heard of keys being stolen it's either been pre-orders for AAA games or new release AAA games, so why is it always indie devs that complain?

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>>374453746
holy crap mate, try and educate yourself on a subject before you start whining about it, i get that it's an anonymous imageboard, but you need to stop enabling your mental retardation

>>374455297
>What does "grey" mean?

They aren't committing a crime, but they are allowing crime to be committed and benefit from it financially.

Like Valve and the CS:GO gambling websites last year.
Valve knew, and they made money off of it, but they weren't directly involved not committing crime or hiding gambling or avoiding tax.

>>374455278
I'm willing to bet that this stolen key shit is completely blown out of proportion (muh 6 gorillion chargebacks, is there any actual statistics on how many chargebacks originate from G2A sales and how they compare to other outlets? Because I haven't seen any) and they're just mad that their games are being devalued.

>>374455297
>What does "grey" mean?

A grey market is one that follows neither the dark or light side of the force.

Complaining about G2A when it's the bank that is the problem with issuing chargebacks

>>374455383
But the stolen credit card is used to buy on Steam, and the stolen Steam key sold on G2A.
So the chargeback goes to Steam, and they call the developer to split it or straight up pass it to them.

G2A is a place where you resell STEAM keys, that you bought on STEAM with your stolen credit card.
They can't be hit, since they aren't involved in the fraudulent transaction in any way. They just enable it to be profitable.

>>374455348
>fans mad

What fans? The ones who bought off g2a and gave the developers zero dollars? This is fantasy. That's like saying you're scared to charge back for illicit charges on your credit card because you're scared stores won't accept it any more.

>>374452621
My sides, it was about time that people started to abuse in non subtle ways the "we are womyn, you cant complain or else". These fucking numales wont know how to react.

Gg well played g2a

>>374455297
"Grey" means some aspects of that market isn't legit. Expect someone to get into legal trouble if they make a wrong move.

>>374455371
It just proves big devs can get away with it, see >>374455348
As a small developer you can't risk being branded as someone who cancels keys. It will end you.

>>374455563
So then let Steam take care of it.

Done.

>>374455262
>Devolver Digital actively cancels games purchased through reseller.

Is that supposed to help your case? Hotline Miami is 75% off every month, why wouldn't G2A be full of cheap keys? If anything this proves that Devolver is butthurt about reselling in general, not stolen keys.

>>374455680
Steam takes care of it by asking devs to pay the money, or they won't be on Steam anymore.

>>374455195
Lol you are in denial. Let me hit you with some truth.

Not even sewer rats who live in the gutters of rio have to think twice about a 15 USD purchase. You're the poorest man on earth and your bloodline is hysterical.

>>374452621
Fuck these whiny cunts, I'll take 10% of a million as lifetime fucking sales. Fucking faggots.

>>374455262
>The offer expired yesterday and was removed from their store, however, the direct links continued to function unintentionally. This led to roughly 30,000 keys disappearing overnight
I just checked the blackwell link randomly, and what does this have to do with G2A? It just seems like the devs/publishers fucked up big time.

>>374455716
So why aren't devs also calling out Valve in this situation?

>>374455641
This is false. People who buy stolen stuff aren't going to hurt your sales. This is like saying niggers who can't sell locked iPhones are going to hurt apple's sales.

>>374452621
>indiedevs again

who gives a shit

>>374455707
Mate you can tell a key is purchased with a stolen credit card when the BANK ASKS YOU TO PAY BACK THE MONEY. Its not hard science to see which keys need canceling. You cancel the ones that you just lost money over.

>>374455716
Steam takes the cut for a reason. To provide good security for keys and the games they have on their store.

The problem is them not the devs or G2A, if the keys could be tracked or changed with an extra layer of security none of this would've happened.

>>374452621
>Basically G2A has a "gray sector" business, selling stolen keys

Thats not what grey means you stupid fuck jesus christ /v/

>>374452621
The store gets charged back not the developer, you retard.

Unless the developer is the only place to purchase the game. Only Minecraft comes to mind. Your just drumming up controversy.

>>374455757
It isn't, I just googled for revoking keys. Ignore this one.

>>374454008
Developers actually get first sale so it's better. Also this charge back meme is overblown. Almost all sales through G2A are legitimate, or they couldn't do business in America or the EU. No one has demonstrated these bullshit claims.

>>374455820
>Devolver Digital games purchased on @G2A_com are not legitimate, not guaranteed, and not supported. We are actively canceling those keys.

Can you read? They're saying they're cancelling all of them because the very act of reselling a key is an affront to them. CC fraud has nothing to do with it.

>>374455563
Sounds like they should take it up with Steam then. What is Steam going to do, stop making money selling other peoples' games? Lol.

Going after G2A accomplishes nothing. They're not going to shut down their entire marketplace because they don't know the context behind every transaction. Ebay and Craigslist are no different.

>>374455740
That 10% is most likely much smaller than the chargeback costs associated with keys sold on G2A.

>>374454270

Shouldn't you be bitching about bank/payment system fees then?

>>374455804
Wow your example is so undeniable and concrete.

>>374455824
Nigga the key is secure when its on Steam's end.

Lets follow the road a key travels:
>1. developer issues legit key
>2. Steam sells legit key for stolen credit card dollars
>3. hacker sells his legit key on G2A with a discount
>4. customer buys discounted key
>5. bank charges back the money paid with stolen card in step 2
>6. Steam has to pay back money, they forward to developer
>7. Developer pays back money they got for the game
>8. (Optional) developers revoke the key

Our of this, there are only 2 winners - G2A and the hacker who had the stolen credit card.

>>374452621
>roasted

YOU
*blocks all trump supporters*
BROWSE
*downvotes an opinion that doesn't mirror my own*
REDDIT
*gifts gold for an hella epic comment*
TOO?!?!?!! BAZING BAZOODLE xDDD

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Ok moralfags explain to me why I should give a fuck about profits not going to devs with G2A.

>m-muh chargebacks

Don't give a fuck, if anything shitty devs going under is just good.

>>374453746
Easy reddiors always want to have to moral high ground. Ignore any anti-G2A posts, because there is a 100% chance the person is from reddit.

>>374455950
>Sounds like they should take it up with Steam then.

they would have to pay for that. instead, they make a shitty online store, some 14 year old nopnik hacks it and they cry on twitter.

its always, only fucking indiedevs. but not even decent indiedevs. where are terraria, dwarf fortress, stardew valley, factorio crying? why is that every time i see someone bitching about g2a i literally have to google his name
fuck off

>>374456071
Why are you buying the shitty devs game?

>>374455924
Scroll down a bit and read the whole conversation, nut just the first line.
Devolver Digital made test purchases themselves, and didnt even get keys in the end.

How do you 'steal' game keys?
I understand that sometimes they sell keys bought with stolen cards (which is a problem of course since the owner of the card may cancel the transaction) but how do you steal keys?

>>374454758
I've used G2A extensively and never had a key revoked. You know why? They weren't stolen.

Aren't these the same fags that constantly complain about fair refund policies on storefronts? Go die somewhere, you worthless fucks.

and this is that muzzie apologist shit. fuck him too.

last game i bought full price on steam was dark souls 2
its been keys non stop since then
never had a key revoked or anything
litterally 50% off on day one why the fuck would you waste your hard earned neetbux
Never used g2a btw
theres like a gorillion other sites good luck shutting all of them down moralfagcucks

keysellers and g2a reps in this thread trying to damage control. hilarious

>>374454449

1. You get paid $30000for selling 1000 of an infinitely reproducable digital product
2. They charge back $30000+fees (not taxes you cunt)
3. You lost some chump change
And the part you are missing
4. 1000 keys get revoked, 1000 consumers are outraged and go rage at G2A first and foremost, ruining both the sellers reputation and G2A's

See - step 4 doesn't seem to happen at all, why? Because stolen CC keys are a neglible part of G2A's business, and the fee losses incurred are a tiny compared to the tiny amount of stolen CC keys compared to the legit keys sold on the site.

/v/irgins like you should go back to school.

>>374456071
>Shitty devs
>Desire their products

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>>374455297

>What does "grey" mean?

The term "grey" market is used to denote markets controlled in part or entirely by extraterrestrial beings, and as usual everyone is being whiny, xenophobic cunts expecting greys to adhere to our antiquated and backwards business practices.

>>374455954
>chargebacks from some niche vendor website
>significant whatsoever
My sides. It's the downloadcaust all over again.

>>374456196
you like jew dick gayboy???

i bet your got boypussy got wet when steam announced that you have to pay for mods, you little slut

Most of my extensive steam library is made of kinguin, g2a and humble bundle games. Never had a single issue.

And btw you can refund games on g2a if they dont work even without the Shield protection. The only difference is that it takes a few days instead of being instant.

I wouldnt even pirate indie shit.

>>374456078
Hello r.ddit. You're literally too stupid to pirate, so you rely on chinks stealing keys for you.

>>374456145
indie devs do nothing but whine and complain. remember chinese room and steam refunds? lmao things that make indie cucks whine is ok with me.

>>374456129

I sure will believe the people making "test purchases" that nobody else seems to experience but proves their own point.

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>>374456040
Incorrect, the person can do a charge back on g2a too and get their money back.

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>>374453746
Piracy is actually preferred over G2A "purchases" so go fuck yourself shil.

keysellers and g2a reps in this thread

yeah, im pretty sure every gopnik is a secret russian hacker who hacks those credit cards on a daily basis.
lets completely ignore the fact that you need sms verification to buy something for a long time now
its the fucking russian hackers again

>>374456340
How can the person make a chargeback on G2A when their stolen credit card was used only for the Steam purchase and nowhere else?

The stolen credit card is only used in step 2.

>>374455563

You can buy plenty of non-Steam games there.
You can't even buy keys from Steam, and gifts are only half the steam things on the site.

>Shills coming out of the woodwork to defend G2A

Why?

>>374456078
I'm not from reddit and I say fuck G2A. When you turn 18 you realize the money that finances the games you play has to come from somewhere.

>>374456161
Lots of other key sites are not free marketplaces like G2A is.
The keys are received either directly from publishers or from 'authorised' sources in communication with the management of the key site. There's a reason why G2A is being constantly singled out.

>>374456425
butthurt keysellers and g2a reps tryna damage control

>>374456425
Why not? They're really cheap.

>>374456425

I'm pretty sure this is just shilling, hoping 4chan elevates their petty squabbles.

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>>374456425
just a satisfied customer who's tired of the same weak arguments used against g2a every time

>>374456369
>from the corporation's standpoint

again, i dont give a shit. deal with it or keep getting angry

>redditors and normalfags pirate tv series, music etc
>g2a fucks over some indie devs and gearbox
>this is too much bruh I have the higher moral ground
lmao fuck off redditcucks.

>>374452621
wouldn't selling stolen goods make them a black market sector?

>>374456414
Have you never owned a credit card? You can make a charge back for the seller refusing to give a refund.

>>374456425
>Shills coming out of the woodwork to defend G2A

Same reasons shills are coming out of the woodwork to attack G2A.

Money to be made.

>>374455954
Developers don't sell the keys themselves, Steam does. Those cost have nothing g to do with them. If Valve is retarded enough to let people mass purchase that's there problem.

>>374452621
>roasted
Do you know what roasted means you fucking ballsack?

>>374456425
Poverty

>>374456464
Yeah. There are reputable 3rd party sites that are just as cheap that aren't named G2A and aren't a fucking fence for stolen goods. How much do they pay you to shill?

>>374456425
Because the people fighting G2A are indie developers.
And indie developers are associated with SJWs thanks to the GamerGate shit.
And /pol/ is all over the website, very quickly abandoning what the board is about to make it about politics.

>>374456425
babies dont know how or are too scared to pirate games i guess

>>374456498
this. if anything, this board is full of neet's with their shitty rpgmaker game who are afraid of not being able to buy a la ferrari in the future

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>>374456463
are you just going to post the same message the entire time??

could you leave maybe??

>>374456464
>>374456498
>>374456509
fuck off g2a reps and keysellers

not that shilling here can do anything, your shitty site's gonna get fucked

>eceleb makes a video
>/v/ has a dramatic shift in opinion
Hm...

How do you even steal keys? Rob a game store in Siberia?

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>>374456501
Just pointing out you're a fag nothing more happening, no need to get so butt flustered my homosexual compatriot.

>>374456553
Actually its the shills who are against g2a. G2a is small time compare to the big videogame publishers.

Notice how normafags were ok with g2a but the moment some redditor faggot like TB makes a vid they go apeshit. Despite the fact that TB is a giant blizzard shill.

>>374456551
The seller is Steam in this case, you imbecile. Have YOU never used a credit card? You can't make a chargeback to someone who never deal with your credit card.

The stolen credit card is used to purchase Steam keys on Steam, and not at all on G2A.

how about you just stop people from """""Stealing""""" your keys instead
lmfao

>>374456642
oh no how im gonna sleep tonight some anon on a korean basket waving forum called me fag

>>374454450
what is that meme comic?

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lmao watch me give a shit

>>374456617
lmao there are like hundreds of resellers plus piracy exists. Get fuck redditor cuck.

>>374456654
Yeah. So many 3rd party sites on the net, somehow g2a is the only hated one. Sure is a coincidence you fucking shill.

>>374456636
Actually G2A had a video conference talking to 30 developers recently, thus the thread.
Stop trying to fit your favorite youtuber into everything.

>>374456756
t. key seller

get fucked retard

keep shilling g2as gonna get fuckd

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>>374456654
It is strange how learning new information could shift someone's opinion. I think we should study this phenomenon.

>>374456715
No need to be upset anon, just making sure everything is in order.

>>374456715
holy shit I want a job as a basket waver, that sounds amazing

>>374456498
>literally worse for devs than piracy
>weak argument

also, sticking "m-muh" to a word and then saying it in stutterpost does not make it an invalid argument

>>374456668
>buy game on g2a
>activate key
>key revoked
>initiate a charge back on G2A if they refuse to do a refund

I've gotten refunds on g2a before, like when the division was supposed to include English language as said on their site but it didn't. I got to keep the game too, so g2a bit the costs.

>>374456425
/v/ is mostly underage b&s who make minimum wage at best. These fags happen to favor any activity that allows them to afford video games, but go into full blown denial when someone questions the morality of said activity.

g2a reps and keysellers shilling g2a in this thread ignore them

>>374456705
>stop people from using stolen credit cards to buy your keys on Steam and resell them

Fucking how?

>>374456742
this. key reselling is based and makes cucks cry. Got my deus ex md for like 40$ on launch back in the day from a top seller. Too bad the game is meh.

>>374452621
i would pirate them if the online mode was accessible to pirates too. If devs really prefer that, then unlock the online. Most of the sales from these websites are by retarded poorbuyfags that don't want to pirate and actually think they are supporting the devs anyway.

>>374456796
before g2a there were thousands of different forums in every language. now there are hundreds of these reseller sites
stopping g2a wont do anything you underaged dumb shit

Holy fuck that site is cheap as fuck, just bought Shadow of mordor for £3

>>374456853
It is the original stolen credit card owner who initiates chargebacks in this case.

>find our my card was stolen
>apparently someone purchased 100 video games with it
>chargeback that shit
>game developer has to pay 100 games plus fines back

>>374456852
show me proof that a large percent of the keys on the website are stolen, i refuse to believe your jew information.

>>374456898
Its pretty great, I generally always check G2A and GreenManGaming to see what the games are going for there before I even consider steam.

As a FUCKING LEAF I can't afford to spend $92 on a new game after tax

>>374456860
But there are other sites that are as cheap as G2A that aren't despicable as fuck. Yet shills defend G2A. You don't see people hating on GMG or Gamesplant or Humble Bundle or CDKeys. Despite all being 3rd party sites.

g2a reps and butthurt keysellers shilling g2a in this thread

>>374455707
posts like this are incredibly fishy in the nature they are posted

so many g2a astroturfers, just look at the way they are attacking arguments.

>>374456775
Whoa, what a coincidence that redditors hate the website that the reddit asscancer activist got up in arms about. Thanks for activating my neurons, reddit.

>>374456832
there is a phenomenon called being a cuck who shills for a giant corporation while pretending to be "standing up for a small guy". Now tell me whats the name for it?

If stolen keys were as rampant as you're all implying, prices of every game would be $1-2.

What usually happens is that the keys are bought in markets that are a bit cheaper than the other primary markets (US and EU) and then resold for a couple dollars profit. Stolen keys wouldn't have to account for profit margins, since it would be 100% profit, so why would they price above cost? Competition would naturally drive prices down if the entire market is comprised of stolen keys.

>>374456898
Wow. I got Shadow of Mordor for free on piratebay. Nice try shill.

>>374453946
yes, but the companies are responsible to notify wrongdoings, i don't think on a case to case basis but they have to offer guidelines at least. For example, when i sold my hacked 3ds on ebay, i was banned based on a complaint from Nintendo. Too bad i already had the money on my paypal account, too little too late Jewtendo.

>>374456312
It's a well known fact that redditors will always blindly follow their E-celebs, no matter what they say. For example: see this >>374456435

g2a reps and butthurt keysellers shilling g2a in this thread


ignore them

>>374456879
Why even buy games on launch day? I'm not saying anything G2A, it's amazing for games where the jews refuse to drop the price
But why not just wait for the user reviews to come in so you at least know if a game is shit before you buy it? Not like you have nothing else to play

We're the shills?

We're not the ones who are sucking devs cock .

All I care about is cheap prices for games that are older than a year. When GTA is STILL $60 it's bullshit

Why the sudden influx of moralfags? I swear to God we're being raided because we were having faggots complaining about EMULATORS last month with Cemu and then complaining about PIRACY

>>374456968
I handle charge backs at a small business and we don't get fined...just the money is returned.

>>374456832
>learning new information
we've known this since forever. it only fucks over sellers with shitty security. which is why only the indie clique cares

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>>374457012
>>374457109

Video games are overpriced anyway. Why should I care if the devs are being robbed if they a robbing far more people regularly?

>>374457057
>Reddit hates it
>So I must defend it
Really jogs your nog

>>374457001
Just so you know, GMG keys are publisher sourced, they will always be legitimate.

>>374457086
nice. based anon btfo cucks and jewtendo.

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I just pirate everything and use the money saved on better hardware. Just ordered a 1080 Ti the other day, fuck you devs and publishers.

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>>374457109
thanks for the warning, i didnt see it the first 10 times you posted this exact same message.

>>374455413
Educating himself is exactly what he's trying to do

>I am ignorant, so I ask a question
> FUCK YOU FOR NOT KNOWING YOU SHOULD KNOW BEFORE YOU ASK FOR KNOWLEDGE/INFORMATION ON A THING YOU DONT KNOW

>>374457003
i always buy from the cheapest one. those sites are only great if there is a discount, key resellers are great 100% of the time because they users dictate the price

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>muh stolen keys

yeah I'm sure the guys with tens of thousands of immaculate reviews are all selling stolen keys, mm hmmm

so if a nigger sells a stolen phone on craigslist, it's CL's fault, and we should ban craigslist?

you corporate cock smokers are hilarious. I'll keep using g2a and getting my games cheap as dirt.

what is G2A?

g2a reps and butthurt keysellers shilling g2a in this thread

g2a reps and butthurt keysellers shilling g2a in this thread

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>>374457157
SHUT UP AND PAY MORE FOR OUR SHITTIER GAMES!

>>374452621
dont care

g2a is economic and why should i pay more for games that came out years ago

remember when games used to go down in price depending on age? thats what developers don't want

they want you to pay £39.99 for dishonered 2 nd not £19.99 from cdkeys.com

I say fuck that shit

>>374457128
Do you sell on Steam? If not, I believe you when you say that Steam doesn't fine you for chargebacks.

>>374453746
I agree with you
I will never bow down to corporations

>>374457231
eBay for steam keys

However, you need to stop being a fucking faggot and read threads before you post in them. Thats just bad form m8

>>374457181
>Fuck you devs and publishers
>Literally the people keeping the industry going
And don't try to use the 'well they're shitty devs with shitty games' argument because you just spent a nice amount of money on a video card to play those shitty games.

why are there so many retards on /v/ that buy keys from resellers instead of just pirating the game?

Why would you every buy from g2a when cdkeys and similar sites offer the same or better deals with no risk of getting your key revoked

>>374457117
>We are not shills
>Buys from G2A
>Instead of Nuuvem which has it cheaper

Really makes you think

>>374454003
>your average pirate G2A profits from actual crime.

lmao like owners of pirate websites don't profit massivelyfrom hosting links to cracked games

>>374457117
>Why the sudden influx of moralfags?
>sudden
they were here since like 2009 or smth. redditor cucks actually hate piracy lmao and shill for youtubers lmao
>protecting your precious multi million dollar companies and rich youtubers on a ANONIMOOSE mongolian cartoon board
>for free
pathetic.

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>>374457062
If advising piracy over G2A makes someone a shill that's one way of looking at it I guess. I think you should go shitpost about the feminist conspiracy taking down G2A over at r/incel now cuccboi.

>>374457130
>Notice how normafags were ok with g2a but the moment some redditor faggot like TB makes a vid they go apeshit. Despite the fact that TB is a giant blizzard shill.

>we've known this since forever.

So you're a normalfag? The plot thickens!

Rami Ismail is an enormous bitch and I remember /v/ absolutely despising him.

>>374452621
>What are your thoughts on G2A handling this, and on their business in general?
They're selling steam keys so fundamentally they drive steam's profits in the long run, and are therefore cancer.

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>these morons seriously acting indignant that 4chan of all fucking places isn't backing the morality crusade against someone selling cheap games
Oh no, the Gearbox devs are mildly inconvenienced! Everyone knows /v/ would absolutely not stand for something bad happening to Gearbox!

>>374457343
Because of online, fuck face.

>>374457216
>you corporate cock smokers are hilarious
>defends the g2a corp in their battle with indie devs

>>374457343
just extremely butthurt keysellers and g2a reps shilling this entire thread

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Why would anyone even buy anything from G2A? Why not just pirate at that point, it's not like you have any intentions of supporting the dev anyways when you buy potentially stolen keys.
>but m-m-muh multiplayaah geimu
they're shit

>All these G2A shill talking about how great the service is
>When they don't even always have the best deals

Cdkeys and isthereanydeal.com for life

>>374457290
So steam, who has full control of the payment system, fines developers who have no input in the sale, for charge backs?

Sounds like some made up bullshit to stir up sympathy.

>>374457326

Some of them are great games, definitely worth the money. I'm just an entirely self-serving asshole, I 've no moral qualms whatsoever about it.

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please keep buying from Steam ,if everyone would buy all their games on G2A it would become a real problem.

please enjoy corporate penis and buy expensive games for my sins

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>>374457080
Fuck off you nigger, if I was shilling I would be posting screenshots of their amazing low prices.

Like this.

>>374457326
stfu

they don't even have to ship physical releases anymore due to the rise of digital distribution

how can you support a dev that keeps games full price years after release

I miss the times when nobody knew what G2A and Kinguin were and they still had great prices

Might as well buy everything on Steam again

>>374457213
What game are you so desperate to play that you are willing to buy stolen keys and risk it getting revoked? What game is worth it. Tell me anon. Tell me why are you paying for these games.

Real question is why people keep using G2A when Kinguin is superior in every way

>>374457313
>eBay for steam keys
What the fuck? Are US people really so greedy and can't buy game with their 6000$ salaries? Why someone need this shit?

>>374457392
>suddenly piracy is good
wow you normafaggots switch believes very quick.

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>tfw literally don't care because I pirate everything
Why would I ever pay for something when I can get it for free? There's chumps like OP who buy it for me.

>>374457365
>redditor cucks lmao shill lmao ANONIMOOSE mongolian for free lmao

This is an actual post. Someone wrote that to contribute to the thread.

>>374457212
>he
>i

no, you just proved it, you are a fucking retard

try reading the fucking OP and it literally gives you enough information where you can google for more or form enough of an opinion off of the OP

kill yourself, retard

>>374453746
Why are you responding to reddit newshits

>buy from g2a
>haha anon youre so dumb indie de-
>i dont care
>REEE HOW DARE YOU NOT CARE YOU RETARDED HERE IM GONNA CALL YOU AUTISTIC SHILL THAT WILL MAKE A CHANCE SHILL SHILL RETARD SHILL WHY NOT PIRATE SHILL

jesus christ the amount of aspergers in this thread

>>374457470
>Early access trash
>Random key :^)
>Trash
>Free on piratebay
>10 random key :^)
>Early access trash
>Free on piratebay
>Early access trash

Amazing

>>374457540
>this thread is worth contributing
redditors never change.

>>374457519

Well to be fair $2000 of that goes to cheeseburgers every month.

>Calling people shills for the game corporations
>While defending an even shittier corporate entity

Wew

>>374457464

Notice how people are only shitting on G2A and not any of the other players in the grey market? It's G2A who's shitty

>>374457492
>risk

What risk? What could I possibly lose?

>key works
>save money

Or

>key doesn't work
>get refund from g2a

Tell me the risks. I'm waiting.

where is proof of any of this stolen CC shit

>>374457519
Why would you think its only people from the US that use it?

I use G2A and GMG all the time and I'm Canadian. Games are fucking expensive, so its nice when you can save $20-30 off the price

>>374457597
I made a convert out of you, you're welcome faggot!

>>374457431
I dont buy commodities to support creators you utter moron

I buy games to entertain myself

do you buy milk to support farmers or to simply drink it and enjoy it?

G2A gets me legit steam games for sales prices

>>374457590
>Buys game
For a minute I thought I was on reddit.

>>374457231
it's basically craigslist/ebay for game keys, it's a grey market where you buy keys from people that bought physical disks or bought cheap humble bundle shit when it was on sale and kept it to resell at a later date

devs hate it because they aren't getting full shekels, totalcancer started talking shit about it and /v/ hates it because they're redditors that love game developer cock- the reason? Some people sell stolen keys on the site, even though that's independent of g2a themselves, sort of like a stolen phone or car on craigslist. So they start getting livid at g2a because they're the biggest key middleman.

If it wasn't g2a it would be kinguin, and then cdkeys, then another site. Devs want to nickle and dime.

>>374457536
I mostly play multiplayer online games though, can't do that with a pirated copy

>>374457492
>wanna play a game
>look where its the cheapest
>buy it

>willing to buy stolen keys and risk it getting revoked?

ive been using these sites for almost a decade without a single problem. i dont worry about it

How much does G2A pay you hourly marketers? There's probably at least 4 of you here

>>374457632
>Notice how people are only shitting on G2A and not any of the other players in the grey market? It's G2A who's shitty
THIS. obvious TB cuck redditors. There like hundreds of russian/huehue reseller sites. I GUESS TB WILL HAVE TO MAKE A VID ON EACH OF THEM HUH NORMALFAGS?

>>374457660
Some guy with bitchtits said so.

>>374457632
ok so what s the difference between g2a and other keysellers??

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>>374457431
Some kind of pathetic way to stick it to the man by giving money to criminals. It doesn't make much sense.

>>374457534
Never made a claim piracy was good or bad but I pirate all the time. Don't see how this is somehow conflicting with not wanting to give money to G2A who cost developers money through credit card fraud. Seems you don't have much to argue on but self-invented hypocrisies.

>>374457656
You lose money by paying for shit games that are probably free. Shills gonna shill.

>Get refund from g2a
Only if you buy g2a shield like a good goyim

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>>374457660
it's 2017 shitlord, we should stop debating with facts and start debating with feelings.

>>374457631
>Russia
>cheeseburgers in my town have 250-300$ salaries
>our prices are EU
>console games costs in euro

>>374452621
>rami-posting

Consider suicide

>>374456340

>Give your credit card details to a shady as fuck Chinese website
>Do a charge back

Sounds like a smart idea. Literally asking to have your credit card details sold.

>>374457741
They need to stop posting here and go lick that lump out of his asshole.

>>374457735
dude you are defending shitty indie devs for free lmao. do they pay you in reddit upvotes?

>>374457752
wew well, better stop buying from g2a then and start a hate campaign against them.

also, if any of this is even remotely true, there's still hundreds of sites exactly like g2a.

>>374457782
>Only if you buy g2a shield like a good goyim
it's 1 euro per month

Reminder that if you buy from G2A you are funding Russian and Chinese crime syndicates.

There's nothing wrong with getting cheap keys, but at least try to not buy them from criminals. If you buy stolen goods, they can be repossessed by the police at any time.

>>374457687
Why not just get those games free then if you don't want to support devs? Why even spend that money in the first place? Or do you need to buy a game to enjoy it?

>>374457431
Even if they aren't stolen, they are resold. Resold keys don't benefit the developer.
So yeah, why buy from G2A instead of pirate? Same bottom of the pit moral stance, except you don't loose two dollars.

>g2a has been huge for almost 5 years
>tb makes a video about it
>suddenly hate threads every day and name-calling

really activates my cortex

>>374457665
What is your salary?

>>374457839
Which indie dev company am I defending out of how many of them? Fuck off g2a shill

>>374457753

G2A acts as a middleman and largely doesn't give a shit with who goes through their service to sell games (and actually benefit from scams being a thing because of their Shield service along with taking all money from accounts they ban)

All the other grey market sites are distributors of the keys themselves

>>374457632
G2A is by far the biggest player in the reseller market, as soon as they disappear Kinguin becomes the ebil boogieman.

>>374457735
not a penny.

I am economic with my money and use whichever key service before buying on steam

please tell me why I should pay full price for a game released a year ago?

it's as simple as shopping around for the best price for your money. You need to enter reality and go do some actual retail shopping for a change you fucking neckbeard

>>374452621
things like this are what is stopping me to actually spend money to wrap up my game and start selling it(it's ready, but i would have to spend money for ost, artworks and promotion). I don't mind pirates, i don't expect that everyone has to pay for my game, and hell i would even be ok if my game was enjoyed even if i didn't make any profit for it, as i have a decent day job, but having to pay chargeback fees would basically put me in the streets. In the end it is like it is tho', the pc as a gaming platform can't survive if games are sold at full prices, so there's nothing that can be really done about it.

>>374457632
Yeah I'm sure it has nothing to do with a certain faggot youtuber and his dick sucking followers singling out G2A.

>>374453816
Than maybe devs shouldn't be fucking faggots about trying to block piracy then. You can't have both you double nigger.

>>374457865
How much do they pay you to shill anon?

>>374457782
Nope, never bought g2a shield and have gotten 1 refund.

>>374456898
It's not that crazy. They have One Way Heroics for $1.23 but I've bought it on sale from Steam for like 50 cents.

>>374457887
why you even care how he spends his money? are you this lonely?

>>374457947
>>374457919

People have been shitting on G2A for fucking years

>>374457735
I fucking wish I got paid to call people retarded on the internet, where do I sign up?

g2a reps and butthurt keysellers shilling in this thread

don't take the bait

>>374457826
Kek, only in your mind is this scenario plausible.

>>374457470

>those random key packs

I've never bought one of these, are they actually completely random? Like you have a chance to get 10 $60 games (as unlikely as that would be), or is it actually guaranteed that you'll get 10 cheap shitty games, but the "random" part is which cheap shitty games they actually are.

>>374458028
stop false flagging

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>>374457735
I get paid $200 a day from G2A.COM to argue with you, how mad does this make you feel pussyboy?

U can't even make money for shitposting LOL

>>374457910
$700/month

>>374452621
this is literally the same strategy devs use since they started shitting on their consumers
"we made game! we made over 5000% revenue! U prove us u didn't do anything wrong or u have to pay us more!"

People should mass charge back G2A.

I mean, what is the worst that will happen? G2A literally have no power over the keys that are stolen, they cannot revoke them. They lose money and get hit with charge back fees and they basically have no way to retaliate against it.

>>374457975
No, I don't just get people who buy keys from G2A instead of just straight up pirating. Waste money all you want but it just seems fucking stupid to me.

>>374457967
Yes. Trust the shill. There is no need to buy the shield. We refund for free says the shill. Then what is the shield for shill?

>>374457632
One just wants to sell us cheap keys. The other is mad at them for selling me cheap keys. Gee, I wonder who I should side with?

>>374457865
>Actually defending that with 'it's just x amount a month anon'

Neat

>>374458000
This recent "uproar" is purely TB cocksucking faggotry.

>>374454038

G2A isn't American, is it?

>>374457916
triggered eh? lmao g2a will go, hundreds will appear anew. Those key resellers ARENT GOING ANYWHERE LMAO.

Can I sell ps4 keys on g2a? I got sent one from amazon like a year or two ago and never used it.

If you pay for games I bet you would pay me to fuck your wife as well you fucking cuck

>>374458018
g2a..com

This wouldn't even be an issue is Steam didn't issue keys and just sold the games directly.
By selling what are essentially download vouchers, they're creating the situation.

whats with this hate-boner against G2A?

if you dont buy games there and have never been scammed why do you even care lol

>>374457937
There is nothing wrong with buying keys at low prices. Just use ITAD and legit sites instead of these chink shysters.

>>374454775
If you don't care about the devs, why you don't just pirate? You would save all of your bucks. But i agree with the sentiment of fucking the devs over.

>but M-MUH indie devs
most of them are social justice warriors that wouldn't think twice over getting you fired for a stupid tweet, so they get what they deserve.

>>374458109
>G2A being faggots for years
>TB finally calls them out for being faggots
>G2A shills coming out of the woodwork to defend their shit company

>>374458109

I don't care though. I've shit on them for years as have other people. More people joining in doesn't make this a new thing

>>374457959
I pay them for cheap games

>>374458109
>This recent "uproar" is purely TB cocksucking faggotry.
this. TB redditor subs should fuck off or attack pewdieshit or other jewtubers then. He did shill for g2a too.

>>374457887
I can purchase goods without fucking pledging allegiance to a fucking developer

I want to own the game, and regardless of what you think, you can own a game from G2A as much as buying it from steam

>>374457883
Why do you hate Chyna so much? Fucking racist.

>>374458093
>he thinks the money is gone forever if the you hit the pay button

Proof that the people on here bitching about g2a are underage fags who haven't even gotten their first CC.

>>374458093
Shield gets your shit sorted without opening a dispute, and you get cashback and all that nonsense. You could just look at the website instead of mindlessly listening to totalbiscuit.

>>374458060

I would literally never enter my credit card details in any website run by a Chinese business (or Russian, or any 3rd world shit hole).

Credit card fraud is huge as fuck in China, and the Chinks have no morals at all. You think they wouldn't harvest and sell credit card details if you piss them off?

>all that fanboyism
and this is how you spot redditors

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What is this three dollar amount for?

>>374458252
why do you care about racism so much, normalfag?

>>374458216
What cheap games that you can't get for free on piratebay?

>>374458237
>I can purchase goods without fucking pledging allegiance to a fucking developer

But you're pledging allegiance to a different corporate entity that's largely fucking useless. Just pirate the games you faggot

>>374458158
>whats with this hate-boner against G2A?
Total Biscuit or whatever his name is said it was bad, so all the kids on /v/ that get their opinions from eCelebs hate G2A now. Any time you see a random influx in an opinion that didn't seem to exist before, I've learned that its always because some eCeleb made a video and millions of kids started to parrot him to try and sound smart

>374458092

every benefit steam gives. i can see how many hours i wasted, multiplayer, achievements, auto-patch, updates, less space since i dont need to keep the iso file

>inb4 those arent worth it
then i would pirate. these worth it for me already

>>374458092
Multiplayer games you fucking retard, how many times does it need to be said for your thick fucking skull to read the words posted in this fucking thread

>>374458171
>chink scammers

really, last 10 purchases from g2a have been from poles

and guess what, they have all worked perfectly fine

>>374458259
>Stolen keys are immediately revoked
Shill more faggot

>>374458295
Insurance against buying stolen goods, nothing wrong here my friend don't question it ;^)