SFV EVO ENTRANTS LOWEST YET

I just read it as well.

This... this is not good...

>>368383668
>SFV so bad it killed the esports meme
Good, maybe that will teach Capcom to spend the prize pool thousands in improving the actual game

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>>368383668
But /v/ told me the FGC was the most important audience and everyone else could go fuck themselves.

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>fighting games have both been reborn AND died in your lifetime

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kek

you know what's really funny? that shill cant come in here anymore parroting his lines about how SFV keeps growing every year.

shills get left behind

Where did you get those numbers?

Unless I'm missing something, Evo isn't for another 4 months or so. So there's still going to be people registering and those numbers aren't final, right?

No amount of patching can fix the simple-ass, shallow, low-ceiling gameplay that is SF5.

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>SFV killed EVO

Fucking good. Fuck esports and all these twitchniggers that think they are FGC because they r/kappa XD and shitpost all day about game balance they don't know shit about.

I'd rather play ST and 3S for the rest of my life than deal with these piece of shit people and the games that spawned from their bitching.

>people bragging that SFV brought in 5000 entrants last year
>not even half of that this year
lmao

>>368385864
kappa

SFV had 3000 people signed up before the game was even out last year. Everyone has already realized it's shit and stopped unless they really want those capcom funbucks

>>368385978
SF2 is fucking garbage.

>>368385978
>Fucking good. Fuck esports and all these twitchniggers that think they are FGC because they r/kappa XD and shitpost all day about game balance they don't know shit about.
>I'd rather play ST and 3S for the rest of my life than deal with these piece of shit people and the games that spawned from their bitching.
how much i agree with you except i prefer the more broken fun of alpha games
i like when new people come to play fighting games in general but honestly? these people weren't here to stay, they were here to meme and feel "part of a community", and those are the kind people i hate the most. we had a word for them a couple decades or so ago, which was "scenester"

i have hated scenesters for nearly 2/3 of my life

Well it was fun guys, see you after 10 years

Good
If they aren't going to completely revamp the whole combat system and release it as a free update then it just deserves to die. I'm completely serious. SFV shouldn't get away with being so terrible and yet stay on top just because of its name. I hope people come to their senses.

Are entrants closed now or something? FGC bums are always coming in at the last minute.

>>368386424
It's still 500k behind its sales target for the first month.
After a year.
And after multiple sales.
Even if the fgc wanks it, SFV didn't get away with anything.

>>368386303
enjoy, i'll keep playing other fighting games that will still continue to get made between then

don't expect capcom to do anymore saving though, so you can hold your breath and die waiting for capcom to "save fighting games again"

capcom lost its magic when it hired newbie designers and programmers, lost its old talent, promoted a loser liar kiss-ass like ono, collaborated with annoying chink artists like udon (i fucking hate chink artists' approach to storywriting, especially the ones in america), and decided like every business to outsource things and funnel most of its budgeting to marketing divisions

>>368385864

Organisers leaked them on Smash Reddit. Deleted now but their numbers included everything, numbers for everything were still under 2000 and Evo is kill. Only positive is that Tekken is up and there is barely any interest in Injustice 2.

Also Final Round only has 250 players for SF V. When it was capped at 1000 last year.

>>368386531

SF V had 3000 entrants before it even came out last year. It barely has that number after it was established.

Dead game is dead. No tears, only Tekken now.

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>still biggest by far
woooow

>>368383953
>PC

Dumbfucks thought if they shitposted SFV hard enough people would move to other games, but if SF dies, the whole genre dies with it.

SFV is not even a bad game, and the model where you can get dlc characters for FREE by just playing the game regularly is great.

Haters will be left behind.

>>368383668
source on numbers you fuck

>>368386424
>>368385960
the only thing the gameplay needs is longer ranges for normals and a bit faster movemet speed.

That's it, I've made SFV the best SF of all time.

>>368386793
Its also wrong.
Over a thousand playing now.

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>>368385721
>>368383668
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>>368386424
if SF dies the FGC dies

you 09ers dont know but you will.

>>368386821
>if SF dies, the whole genre dies with it.
That's quite the big delusion you have there Ono. Ever though that people could play other fighting games?

>>368386821
>if SF dies, the whole genre dies with it.
Not anymore. We can get by without this garbage.

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>SFV dies
>FGC dies
>Smash technically not part of the FGC
>It continues to have its own majors

OH BOY OH BOY I CAN TASTE THE SALTY TEARS ALREADY

y-you guys will see, by the end of signup we'll have 7000 entrants!!!!!! you guys will speak too soon and eat you're words ha ha ha,

>>368386978
>>368387032
Not according to this clearly
>>368383668

Welcome back to reality

>>368386821
Others would do just fine lol

Not only haters. Shills, tournaments, e-sports, everything is getting left behind because Capcom couldn't make a good game.

I can't wait for everyone to go back to USF4.

>>368386978
but they arent.

>>368383668
>the top of their heads get hit by a malfunctioning roll-up door

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Hello.

I'm more relevant than Pokken Tournament.

>>368386821
>but if SF dies, the whole genre dies with it
Good, tired of e-sports cancer being forced upon a garbage fighting game. It was fine with 4 because the game actually had some depth. Capcom dickriders deserve to be disenfranchised if they aren't willing to branch off into other games though.

>SFV is not even a bad game
Fuck off, yes it is. Only the biggest shills and retards can defend a game where the neutral is a giant clusterfuck of guesses and rock paper scissors because you can't react to shit and your t-rex limbs stop you from checking people at midrange. Nobody gets hyped for babby medium medium links into v-trigger and critical art for 60% of your hp either.

>>368387331
at least the upsets in this game are fun to watch

>>368386863

Kappa on leddit you nigger

>>368387394
>SF4
>depth
lmao

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>>368385709
>Even in this shit ridden state of SFV melee is still only 3rd
>meleefags somehow still convince themselves that they don't need other games to at other events to get views

>>368387143
The FGC only plays the most popular fighting game. Once SF dies they'll just migrate to the next biggest scene.

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>>368387409

>>368384368

Maybe more will join later but yeah extremely bad. The 2016 numbers were probably bloated from all the marketing hype that was going into trying to boost the games profile but it seems like it's undeniable issues have still caught up with it. It's still more than enough to hold a tournament though and it's not like you won't just see the usual seeded suspects in the Top 32 as always.

Once the capcom pro tour ends the entire game is going to crash hard. Like less than guilty gear hard. Instead of letting a scene grow organically they just did things the league of legends way and propped it up themselves. But unlike league of legends they didn't do it successfully

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>>368387452
>kappa
so its nothing

>>368387467
Games at events to get views*
Fuck brain farts

>KI died when season two was released
>SFV was put on life support when season two was released
What did we learn today class?
Be good the first time around.

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>>368387468

Last time SF died people moved onto other games but no one else was giving a shit about them playing them.

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>>368385709
>2nd Smash
>3rd Melee
???

>>368387468
most popular game would be Mortal Kombat and nobody is playing it.

you see much less entrants for SFV but others didnt go up.

>>368387468
no, the fgc doesn't migrate, the scenesters migrate

SCENESTERS REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>368387460
>/v/
>having any idea what they're talking about
lmao

>>368383668
>all those boring characters with boring playstyles

But I thought that sex sells, shouldn't this be much more successful than SFIV?

>>368387623
actually, after 3s shat the bed the GG community killed itself pretty hard until xrd came out.

and its not like KoF was doing mega hot either.

What's the reason? Niggers only play Xbone, or just a shitty, shallow game?

I wouldn't know. The last game I played competitively was SF 2 Turbo, and the last fighting game period was Blazblue

>>368383668
It'll be fine it won't kill SF like SFIII did before Ono revived SF.

>>368387549

This. /v/ is just retarded again. Only 1500 or so entrants? My god whatever will they do, how can they still run evo with only 1500 entrants in SFV 99% of which are pure scrubs that'll never make it out of pools? Meanwhile event organizers and match refs probably breathing a sigh of relief that they're schedules won't be quite as hectic and that they'll be able to spend a little less money on staff this year.

>>368387637
Super Smash Brothers 4 actually has people playing it
Super Smash Brothers Melee has three people still playing and a level of entry so high that NOBODY will ever pick up and learn competitive Melee

>>368387756
Glad that you admit that you dont know what you're talking about.

>>368387807
there was a gg community? hehehehehe

>>368387819
SFV released last year so it got many entrants based on hype.
It was clear that it wouldnt get as many entrants this year.

>>368387915
Yes those complicated rattle shakes and diaper changes are fucking HARD to pick up in melee.

>>368387807

re-read my post.

My point was that yeah people will move on and play games because games will continue to be made. But their relevance in that dead spot of around 10 years was 0. Zilch. Basically I'm agreeing with you.

>>368387915
>meleefags tout how it's a good kind of game that casuals will play it too because it's "easy to get into but tough to master"
>people complain that the "level of entry is too high"
>people still playing dodge2win sm4sh instead
lmao

>>368387972
Yeah. It was so shit that it got killed by MARN of all people.

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>tfw you wake up and go to your YT subscriptions and see that Behrudy has made another video

>>368387331
God damn I'm already sad on how shit MvC4 is going to be. It already looks soulless from the trailers.

Literally all capcom had to do was keep Ultra around another year then release SFV in 2017

>>368388053
more like the complicated turn on cold water into ice water into shower pursue is too complicated for them

they can't even nail the get-in-the-tub followup ever

>>368386793
Realistically who many people do you think is still playing on PS4?

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>That feel when Mortal Kombat XL got snubbed at EVO in favor of 2 Smash games and 2 anime fighters

>>368388106
in all fairness marn blocks out the sun and thus life ends where the crops can't grow and animals starve

>>368388210
Realistically at least 10 times as many people

Games that aren't by Valve or Blizzard don't survive on PC.

>>368388216
Maybe you shouldn't support the company that immediately drops support for the previous title in favor of the new one everytime

Just got the game for 18 bucks today. I'm excited to play it.

>>368388116
It looks almost EXACTLY the same as MvC3, to the point where people have recreated the combos from the MvC:I trailers in UMvC3.

If anything, it's a little too similar.

>>368387549
If the numbers in this thread are right they'll likely still end up with more entrants than USFIV had in 2015, but that's pretty much what Evo's growth rate was already. Hard to say if at some point interest in USFIV would have started decaying, there are competitive games way older after all.

A lot of people looked at SFV as an opportunity to invest a lot and move fighting games on to a higher level of mainstream attention and it has clearly completely failed in that regard. That may have some long term implications if say, Red Bull decides there's no future payoff.

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>>368388216
Thank fucking god.
Too bad that WB is so stuck on cash that Wizzard will never pull all the NR games because he is a fucking jew

>>368388075
I'm saying that not only did nobody care about their games, people also barely played them on top of that.

So people dont truly move on, they just quit.

And honestly that smear campaign you see from current animu players isnt the best strategy to absorb SFV players either.

>>368383668
>>368384368

Yes, YES i want to see this shitpile burn

>>368386164
>ST
>garbage

fuck off you god damn 09er

>>368388298
10K at all times?
Doubt it, 5K max i would think

you know why fighting games end on ps4? BECAUSE PS4 KEEPS ME FROM BEING ABLE TO USE MY SATURN TO USB ADAPTER BECAUSE IT NEEDS A PS4 CONTROLLER SYNC

that is the DUMBEST THING EVER besidespayingforonlinebutwhatever

>>368387807
>>368387623
Good, maybe now that the artificial hype dies down people will play the games that they actually find fun more so than playing the game that has the most financial and notarial reward. The dream of being famous and paid to play fighting games is what allowed this travesty of a game to go on as long as it did.

>>368388554
lmao I hope that this will shut up faggots like when when nobody wants to play your garbage even after this.

You fucktards are literally insane if you think that thousands play for the money, when there's about ten dudes world wide who can make a decent living off fighters.

is there MvC:I gameplay yet

>>368388554
shouldn't you be posting on /r/Kappa about how Street Fighter IV is so much better and organizing tournaments for it will "stick it to Capcom"?

oh yeah you sure are showing them by playing their game

Stay with me here for a second /v/
With how shit SFV is, you think a portion of entrants decreased because they can't enter the US at all? You know, with Trump and shit.

>>368388703

This.

I love fighting games and have for over a decade. But this smug attitude the "FGC" has about their hobby is just fucking dull and lame and a complete turn off to newbies.

>>368387059
Eight guys in a basement is not a major, it barely qualifies as a minor.

Just like Smash players.

>>368385978
>>368388495

Fuck off PISSS/Dank

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>>368388790
>subreddit that is only known for spectating tries to revive a game
>subreddit that spent the majority of its time shitting on SF4 no less
This will be a great shitshow.

>SFV IS SHIT

When asked why

>IIT JJUST IS FUCK SFV

>BALANCE SSUCKS

Fuck off, instead of complaining why don't you guys get better on SFV or at least at one game before coming here and bashing it

>>368388790
I don't play SFIV. I respect it as a competitive game more than V for sure though.

>>368388703
I don't want you to play my games. Not that you could play them since you would have to learn BnBs besides jump in -> heavy -> medium -> v-trigger -> special -> critical art.

I'm happy that SFV is decaying though because it's a bad game that doesn't deserve to be the game that brings fighting games into the e-sports scene. Also I don't think thousands play for the money, but I believe that thousands play for the prospect that they can one day be famous and make money. I don't believe that the majority of SFV players are investing all of their time into the game out of some intrinsic love for it, that's for sure.

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>>368387331
>implying

Can't wait for it to turn out that it gets less entrants the Pokken did last year, just like last year. Only reason it beat pokken was satly assholes voting for it just to keep pokken out because people don't realize Pokken isn't like smash and it's an actual fighting game.

I can totally understand the outlook that it's not Evo without Marvel but it wouldn't have hurt to have it take a 1 year break when Infinite is guaranteed for next year.

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>>368389153
>SFV IS SHIT SFIV WAS SO GOOD
>revisionist history makes them conveniently forget Launch Sagat and Ultra Rolento and all the other broken bullshit from IV's lifetime

Anybody knows how many players are on USFIV for Steam?

>>368388108
>Behrudy
Damn, it has been a long time since i watched his videos.

>>368388495
>ST
my nigger of patrician taste, you're wasting your time preaching to SFVbabbies though. They don't want to play a game that actually has zoners in it.

>>368388790
They do realise that SF4 has been present at most events? No one enters or watches though

>>368389175
>Not that you could play them
lmao

>>368389264
200 according to steamspy.

>>368388871
lol. You really think the smash scene just 'happened' suddenly when it got picked up by evo?

Granted it wasn't as big as it is now, but it was still pretty big back then.

>>368387535
>Apologyman and RayRay managed to get on losers finals in 2015
>Rayray won that set and got 2nd
How did that happen anyway?

>>368389247

AE Yun made me drop SFIV entirely. I didn't even care after they patched him. Then they half-admitted to having him so fucking strong on purpose and that made me boycott IV for the rest of its lifetime.

>>368389247
People used to bash sfiv until SFV came out


I believe sfiv was mostly hated during ae and all of usfiv

>>368389245
40% of the pokken entrants last year were no shows.

>>368389815
Just like 40% of the Pokken preorders.

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>>368389802
>that feel when Arcade Edition was the worst version but it had the hypest character select theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL8UyiI16ZM

>>368389775
they buffed him for USF4 too.
They said that is damage output was too low and that he had problems with getting in, those insane fucktards.

red focus was also such a shit mechanic that made yun even stronger.

>>368389942
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a joke or I don't get or you're making a statement.

>>368389956
I still like vanilla's character select theme best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-bCVputzA

>>368390056
Red Focus and FADC were infinitely worse than V-Triggers

>>368388347

But the game ain't just combos. People want their assists in neutral. Personally, I enjoyed UMVC3's neutral better without assists, so I have high hopes for MVCI, but I'm scared if tagging is free and the game turns out to be a tag fest.

>>368390413
There is nothing wrong with FADC.

>>368388347
Its recycling assets, mostly character skeletons/animations.

Shouldnt be a surprise though. Its fucking mvc.

but umk3 is the best fighting game

>>368390497
I don't see why people enjoy Marvel's "if you get hit once, you're dead unless the opponent drops the combo" approach

>>368390261
This theme is engraved into my mind.

>>368390413
I disagree, you had to invest your meter in those things, and FADC reversals were unsafe anyway. V-trigger is a revenge mechanic that gives you a free hitconfirm on most characters. Just get beat up a bit, hit stand roundhouse, cancel into v-trigger, 60% on hit, mixup on block. Way gayer than ultras and 4's other mechanics that you had to spend your own meter to use.

>>368390747

Because high risk high reward is intoxicating to some people. I personally find it incredibly fun even if it is a bit overwhelming.

I dont get how people like Tekken. To me it just looks like two dudes dodging around until one gets a wall-bounce.

to each their own

>>368390747

It's fun if you're the one getting the first hit.

>>368391034
>to each their own
That attitude isn't welcome in the FGC.

>>368390747
Marvel was fun, for the first 3 years.
Now it needs to go or get replaced with Infinite.

>>368385504
>>368383668
I think the whole ESPN and commercialization of it all really drove it to shit, just doesn't have that feel or experience anymore, crowd isint as intimate with the matches as the crowd from the EVO they had in Ceasers palace

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>>368390821

You act like this happens in every match and people don't use V-reversals. At least you have to make a tactical decision between saving for Trigger or burning for Reversal.

You literally got Ultras for sucking and could just hold onto them as an intimidation tactic. They served literally no other purpose than being a freebie for being garbage and blocking with your face. No one is doing the damage of an Ultra with just a V-trigger- not without actually having to combo and execute after the V-trigger input anyway.

>>368391405
don't forget Elena's Ultra that healed her

Did a quick research to say it's unfair for OP to compare the number of entrans so early, and found out that a year ago, SFV broke the records of EVO entrants on a single game.
Haters got left behind, and it shows.

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>>368391363
>commercialization
see, that's part of what kills things for me, it just feels so, disingenuous now. it's all manufactured, like the manufactured consent that noam chomsky and his comrade talk about in their book

when people are really into something, they make the place feel organically alive, but when you commercialize it, it's just a formality that feels too engineered and phony

business execs are too self-unaware to realize that they're part of the problem there, but it doesn't matter if it lines their pockets, eh? too bad their pockets aren't going to be lined up for long if they keep up their micromanaging attitude, when a certain couple of people named loki and bartleby enter their domains

>>368391363
> crowd isint as intimate with the matches
What does this even means?

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>>368391767
it means the crowd wants to fuck after seeing something cool

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>>368386821
>but if SF dies, the whole genre dies with it.
explain tekken btfo SF in sales and being played all over the world except North America during the "dark age"

>>368391916
way to out yourself as a garbage Rolento player

How is KOF doing? I was looking forward to some good XIV games this year.

>>368389802
No one hated Ultra, the only hated version of the game was AE

>>368391767
The crowd was there to watch fighting game matches, not blow one faggot personality or another.

Just like those horrid fucks who go to a tennis tournament to watch tennis, not to cheer a specific player, the filthy casuals.

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>>368383668

Tekken 7 finna be the king

>>368392039
Not so great apparently, but they do have some DLC characters announced, one of them is Wi´p and that guy who stretches his arms that i always forget the name.

>>368392039
PS4s cost an arm and your sister's virginity in Mexico so it's still about as niche as ArcSys fighters

>>368386963
You're a retard, SF already died and we got half decent MK games to hold us over, I guarantee Netherrealm will pull out all the stops when their competition dies down and they know they have the whole world staring at them

>>368392009
How bad do you have to be to cry about Rolento of all people?

>>368391949
>all over the world
you mean korea and japan only.

>>368392225
bad enough to still be playing IV apparently

>>368392207
what the fuck? the ps2 era Mortal Kombat game were fucking terrible and the series lowest point.

>>368391405
>You got ultras just for sucking
Or you could build them universally via focus attack dash cancelling, which was frequently used in high level play. Way more than using v-skills to build v-meter is used too.

>>368392312
Nothing i could do

>>368392039
pretty good in places not us and japan it seems

china seems to love watching it at least despite that it's not kof97

GUYS PLS

I cant bother reading the whole thread, give me a tl;dr on what the fuck is up

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>>368392346
After you play this game every other game starts becoming passable
>>368392581
people think SF is dead because they haven't pulled the Makoto card yet

>>368392581
Nothing really, just a lot of FUD.

one of the most hilarious things is that people think that capcom will be the only one to "save fighting games" with like a street fighter 6 or some shit

but you don't realize that capcom lost all its good ambitious idealistic talent years ago, ie the two main brains behind street fighter 2, nishitani and yasuda, you know the latter as the guy who "designed the trannie" for final fight

>>368392685
thats just part of it. Anything between UMK3 and 9 was just not good and Ed Boom trying to force his style switching fetish everywhere.

I mean he's still trying it with variations, but those are tame compared to the previous shit.

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Never forget

>>368392650
>rootkit
>being such a fucking moron you buy fighting games on PC

>>368392916
>assmad console baby
lol

>>368392835
hilarious, i really can't fathom how they let their art department go to hell other than it doesn't have kinu, akiman, ikeno, and the other better talent managing things, i mean one would think they'd be able to hire replacement talent that does okay, but they just take a shit on everything and have no aesthetic sense whatsoever, like they were western game modelers or something...or were they?

>>368392816
i always get the impression booniecap wants to make a 2d tekken game

>>368392730
Nishitani went on to make Arika and that company isnt truly known for massive innovations either.

>>368393254
nishitani is just no good without akiman anyway, they were a good tagteam

akiman went on to work on a star ocean game as a designer, but that star ocean apparently wasn't good or something? but people love fapping to his checkerboard suit sorceress

>>368392272
harada confirmed that the franchise sales of consoles ports in japan adn kore are shit because of the arcade. when capcom fighters were dead it was takken MK, and air dasher. NA FGC that was loud anough to make it appear that hre was no toehr fighters around

>>368392992
>Literally every single game at EVO except for Nintendo ones are being played on PS4

wow PC is so relevant to fighting games

>>368393527
are you fucking drunk

>shit genre returns to shit after a brief resurgence caused by Street Fighter 2 kids being of an age to spend disposable income
Nothing to see here folks.

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>>368393620
DEL

>>368393497
Star Ocean has been terribly awful after star ocean 2.
people got their hopes up for that PS4 game but that ended up being shitty too I heard.

I need to replay Star Ocean 2.

>>368393527
There are always fighters around but there arent always scenes for them.
You cant tell me that there used to be proper scenes for anime fighters in the west in the PS2 era.

A games sales also dont truly guarantee activity. MK sells a fuckton right now but the active playernumbers arent amazing.

>>368393623
He's not wrong, only FGC idiots which are a MINORITY when it comes to fighting game sales thought fighting games were dead when Capcom wasn't making any fighters that didn't suck shit 2002 onward.

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>>368393620
>the only game that would warrant an XBox, Killer Instinct, is dead and irrelevant now

>>368393938
no it's just that

i had trouble processing and reading his shit

>>368393253
they outsourced everything and paid the price

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>>368393497
>>368393853
also let me add something about the new Star Ocean designs.
They aren that amazing and this is the first time I heard that Akiman was in charge of them.

Shit is extremely generic which saddens me because Akiman used to be great.

>>368394020
I want to impregnate the girl in a diamond bodysuit

>>368394048
>girl

>>368394020
it's kind of funny that you point out that he was in charge of something, because everytime people pointed out that he was in charge of something in something like final fight, it's always "he wasn't in charge, he was just being told what to draw, t-that's all! he was a nobody art commissioner!!!"

but here he's in charge now?

>>368394136
dunno, you said that he was doing the stuff.
and I really like his final fight shit.

>>368383668
maybe focusing the entire game on the tourneyfags wasn't a great idea.

That 1453 is for EVERY game combined, not just SFV

>>368394338
i just said he was doing art designs, i never said anything more than that, because i don't really know for sure

but i know for a fact he and his partner nishitani were head designers for sf2, final fight, at least akiman in sf3 (don't remember if nishitani was still there), among other games

what did ono do? fucking sound engineering

he's like the only old guy left though so they thought to put him in a stupid "producer" spot like how japanese companies put all useless guys like inafune in that spot

>>368394587
what? then how is 5200 a total of all 2016 entrants? because there were at least 5k for sf, but there were at least 1k for either sm4sh and melee, and then other games had something in the hundreds

so where is the consistency?

>Looking at EVO rules out of curiosity
>"Any player using “Random Select” to pick their character, must “Random Select” again if they win the match, provided that there is no way to pick a certain character in the random box."

Has anyone ever actually picked Random at EVO?

>>368383668
when do signups close?

>>368387637

Literally always been the case, meleefags just have their heads up their asses and refuse to live in reality

>>368394416
This is a meme. The problem with the game is that it didn't focus on the "tourneyfags" either. People still have to give a thumbs up when they want to rematch in SFV during tournaments. The game still has higher input delay than average. The netcode still has problems it shouldn't have. The lobbies still don't show flags.

>>368394817
Nigga nobody has picked anything but shotos at EVO, why would they select Random?

>>368394872
Like 4 months.

>>368383668
That makes no sense. How does it have that low numbers, and still beat to melee and sm4sh? >>368385709

>>368395098
why would anybody pick shotas

>>368395030
But Melee is Smash???

>>368395173
SFV is only competing with itself.

>>368385978
This.

Everyone is doing their own major tournaments anyways, Capcom is the one really pushing for MUH ESPOATS and making their tournaments overlap with community tournaments. Really scummy

>>368395173
That's the number for all games including smash and melee

>>368389815
Which would still mean it had about as many players as MvC3

>>368395234
maybe they want to get "defeated" by chun's delicious thighs and then receive a forced lapdance with powerful gyrations that tear the shota's clothes off and force his penis into her and she motions her hips so powerfully that he blasts himself to the moon with the mere force of his cumplosion

Smashfags and MLG ruined FGC for everyone.

Reddit probably did something too

>>368395310

March 28 will have 3 tournaments going on. They did it so some no names can get top 8, and Capcom will tell people those no names just Rise Up!

>>368395478
*Capcom ruined FGC for everyone

FTFY

>>368395478

FGC killed itself by being bums

>>368395703
*FGC ruined fighting games for everyone

FTFY

>>368395478
Smash isn't really FGC, they're pretty segregated aside from sharing venues.
>>368395703
this is more accurate

>>368395782
>>368395792
True true.

>>368395703
>>368395782
>>368395820
Actually its more of a combination of these and the FGC selling out to Capcom.

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>that feel when ChrisG wins both Marvel and KOF at EVO this year

>Make game that panders only to capcoms pockets
>Kill beloved franchise
Is there anything to not like?

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>>368383668
>the fucking party games will have a bigger EVO presence

>>368395364
And? It just came out and was a novelty while marvel was 5 years old. No one fucking plays Pokken. There were no tournaments anywhere and no big community anywhere. The game wouldn't have had half the entrants marvel will get this year if it was included.

Remember when SF players were getting annoyed that Smash was butting into their tournaments and now SFV is at dreamhack because it desperately needs all the exposure it can get LMAO

>>368385978
>Fuck esports

Its a shame the actually most cancerous esports aka MOBA can't die as well. MOBA gets at least 10 times the amount of attention that fighting games get.

FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES AND BE HONEST

1. Current rank in SFV

2. Your opinion on SFV
The majority that hate SFV are bronze shitters

>>368387467
>meleefags somehow still convince themselves that they don't need other games to at other events to get views

Probably because Melee steamrollers every other Smash game in views.

>>368396040
>chris g
>winning kof
ahahahahahahaha he can't even beat juicebox, let alone m`, toshi, xiaohai, reynald, dakou, kyabetsu, kou, or madkof

>>368396121
>MOBA gets at least 10 times the amount of attention that fighting games get.
MOBA has like 500 times the amount of players that fighting games have too.

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>>368396040
>ChrisG is with Evil Geniuses now
>ppd let go of Justin Wong, Momochi, ChocoBlanka, and PR Balrog

What's his endgame?

>>368396118
SF was at dreamhack years ago you fucking retard

>>368386821
>SFV is not even a bad game, and the model where you can get dlc characters for FREE by just playing the game regularly is great.

In 2017 this is actually seen as a positive. Something to give praise to a company...

...fuck this shitty world.

>>368396118
Didn't some recent Smash tournament run SFV?

Was it Genesis?

>>368396174
>Super Gold but, quit playing back in august after Juri turned out to be shit crushing my will to continue playing.
>I hate it.

>>368396174
Super/Ultra Plat
I like it.

>>368396214
MOBA is the worst shit I've ever seen get popular in gaming. Nothing comes even remotely close to that eye sore of a shitpile. No community is more cancerous than that shit either. I will never ever get the appeal of that shit no matter how many times I try to get it.

>>368396314
In 1995 you had to buy a whole new game if you wanted new characters and balance.

Everything was much better back then, right?

>>368396214
>>368396121
>free to play
>can run in a wide range of computers

I wonder why.

>>368395241

Maybe you missed the "4" next to "Smash"

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>implying people didn't just want to try to be the first ever SFV champ at EVO
After that shit is negligible

>>368386821
>SFV is not even a bad game

Except it is, the model is only slightly redeeming but to make up for that the individual non-FM costumes cost as much as a pack of 4 costumes did in SF4. I can't think of a single fight on the market right now that's worse than SFV, including MKX. In fact, they're both heavily offense based fighters, except MKX was a better overall package and fixed it's netcode after a year.

>>368396568
>Everything was much better back then, right?

Yes! Yes it was.

>>368396517
>No community is more cancerous than that shit either.
FGC is, and I say that 100% honestly.

I've got no interest in MOBAs so their toxic community doesn't bother me, but fighting games actively resist growth by having the worst fucking players in existence.

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>>368396609
downroad comprete

>>368383668
should just throw a sf4 tourney imo

SFV killed fighting games like Starcraft 2 killed rts

>>368391363

No, everyone saw this ESPN shit coming miles away, this is solely because of the game's lack of quality and content at this point.

Capcom has completely failed to reign in the post-release negativity and now they're paying the price.

>>368396314

there has literally never been a time where free content updates were the norm

>>368396789
>entering a tourney to lose on purpose

>>368386821
No. It's not that Street Fighter is dead or anything, it's that V is a shitty game. Hell the game wasn't even done when it came out. IV was better. This is no different than saying Melee is better than Brawl or Sm4sh.

Just because you can get the DLC by a copious amounts of in-game currency doesn't make it excusable

>>368396769

*smacks lips*Man look at this dude

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>>368396859
>IV was better

>>368396365
>Juri is shit

lol she's a lot better than her SFV counterpart

>>368392207
>Netherrealm
>Relevant
Asians don't give a shit about MK or Injustice, and Mortal Kombat always dies down after the first year or so

>>368396174
Plat, but quit playing last october
Hate the game, hate how everything is a three-way guess in neutral between dashes, jumps, and buttons. Can't play clean or methodically in this game unless the player matchup allows it.

I hope.you guys know that all of you are getting left behind this year.

#RiseUp

Street Fighter IV was worse than Third Strike

>>368386272
Why do you hate "scenesters" so much? How does their presence affect your enjoyment of games?

>>368397167
lets not get crazy here.

>>368397007
Thats what I was saying dingus. She was enjoyable to play in SF4, in SFV she's a complete chore.

>>368393853
in the ps2 there was a scene for melty blood act cadenza version b on pc. and other comiket fighting games like ougon musou and big bang beat, touhou 12.5 and so on.
anime was starting to envolve into decent gameplay after GGXX released. FGC straight up ignored it. "what is this gay ass shit? i only play street fighter or marvel mang". FGC is on its own fault for letting the genre die since most of them love to dickride capcom.

>>368396676
>I've got no interest in MOBAs so their toxic community doesn't bother me

I never have either for the most part but I did at least a few times force myself to watch that shit just so I could at least try to comprehend what all the hype is about and I seriously felt like banging my head against the wall subjecting my poor self to that shit. When ESPN starts covering FGC shit the way they have MOBA esports cancer and fighting games get maybe even just a tenth of the amount of players then maybe I'll consider changing my answer but as far as I see it it doesn't even come close.

This would be like comparing the MLB or NFL to some random children league in some poor asian country. That is how much bigger MOBA is than fighting games. That is also how much more people watch or compete in that shit. FGC looks like special olympics to MOBA olympics at best. And even then I'd say fighting games still aren't even that close to MOBA. Nothing remotely touches the success that shit genre has had as far as esports goes.

Nothing

>>368396174

Super Silver
Gameplay can be fun with small tweaks Capcom is unable to do right, but as a product it is so fucking bad that I can't love the game, and it kills my will to keep playing and improving. I felt like that way since June or something like that, but I had hope that Season 2 would be the saving grace, the big patch that would make SFV great again, but the only thing it did was making top tiers that's even less fun to fight than Ryu and Ken on season 1. And we had the new characters. It took me a while to embrace the idea of new characters instead of classics, but I ended up liking the idea, only for them to reveal Kolin and there is rumors that the big guy is Abigail, so instead of new characters we'll get npcs nobody gives a flying fuck about, including a doll, probably.

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>>368396568
>Past 20 years
>Had to buy entirely new game for complete experience later on
>Present day
>Had to buy rest of game for complete experience later on

The former is at least understandable given how arcades and shit were, but today there is zero excuse to release a barebones game and not expect to get shit canned

>>368393527
>Tekken and MK

man, what a depressing time that was

>>368397249
>"what is this gay ass shit?"
legitimate question.

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>>368387059
The person who drew this clearly does not know that you need to eat big in order to get big

>>368397241
why? are you a scenester? you want to know why i hate you? well, i'll try and explain

remember that day in paris, when we wandered through the rain?

promised to each other that we'd always think the same

and dreamed that dream to be two souls as one

>>368397342
Not compareable. You pay less now that you had to pay back then AND you can actually unlock it for free if you actually play the game.

>>368397361
MK wasnt even trying though, their 3D era was pretty bad. Meanwhile Tekken and Soulcalibur got it right.

But now that if SF were to die, theres enough variety for each fanbase. All that happens is Marvel takes over as Capcom's fighting face

Hope reality hits capcom like a hot frying pan

>>368397669
the reality is that Street Fighter can remain the top fighting game without even trying

clearly the frying pan already hit you

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>Red Earth will never get ported anywhere

>neutral
>neutral
>neutral
>neutral
>Fireball
>Fireball
>Fireball
>Fireball
>neutral
>neural
>poke
>super
>end round

>repeat this on every other "high level" fighting game in existence

yawn

>>368388106
>>368388292
>MARN
That name sounds familiar. Was he the one who cheated in one of the GG tournaments? How did he kill the community?

>>368396174
Ultra Gold but I stopped playing
I still watch the tournaments but lately I noticed that most of the matches in this season resort to things that you can't react well or jump-ins that you can't anti air. I only get excited watching Ryu or Gief playing.

I miss USF4 spacing like in this vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN9tN5JCkEY

>>368396174
Plat.
I really dislike it. i thought they would fix the input delay on the second season update so that i could stop using "online tactics" to win on locals but they didn't

>>368397813
>neutral
>in SFV

LOL

>>368388406
>And honestly that smear campaign you see from current animu players isnt the best strategy to absorb SFV players either.
What smear campaign?

>>368397248
Meant to say better than sfiv counterpart

Her mixup game is a lot stronger in SFV than it was in four

>>368397854
he apparently did something with rigging the brackets, i don't know the full story myself

all i remember is that the end people shared the pot amongst each other without giving a fuck, and that somehow angered somebody to the point that they decided never to have guilty gear at evo again

>>368397813
>SFV
>neutral game
pick literally one

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>>368383668
NO, SFV WAS SUPPOSED TO DOMINATE EVO!

I CAN'T HANDLE IT FGC BROS, HOW DO WE STOP GETTING KEKED BY SMASH?

I'M LITERALLY FUCKING SHAKING RN

>>368397759

After the questionable season 2 balance changes, pros are getting more open about how shit the game is. I truly believe most american players will go to Marvel. Asian players already said they will give it a try, since the MCU got really popular there, and they might have a scene. But money is money. The CPT won't die, even if SFV stay the same shit game.

Fighting games have no future in the shallow, self-absorbed narcissistic society we are building where everyone feels they are special, and their winnings should be all but guaranteed.

90% of haters are just badies who want to love the hobby but cant muster the strength to sit through hundreds of matches getting their smashed till it all finally clicks and they start improving.

>>368385960
why dont you enter evo and win it if the skill cealing is so low it must be easy to beat infiltration or fuudo.

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>Ultimate Street Fighter 2 entrants will exceed SF5 numbers

>>368397485
I like how there are huge holes in the weights to make it look like you are lifting a lot.

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>>368398328
t.dyel

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>sf5 sucks
>scene is dying
>melee still going strong

>>368398194
You gotta aim for the autismo bandwagon. What better audience then grown men playing childrens party games?

>>368398321
what delusional fantasy does one have to be living in to think a 25-year old game would get a spot at ANY tournament

>>368398453
I'm not a smashfag but I'm happy SFV is dying. Bring back the dark ages already.

>>368398513
One where a mediocre game like SFIV thrived on nostalgia for SF2.

>>368397056
>>368397906
>>368397870

>Sfv neutral is shit meme again


Vs neutral game is shit compared to what? You guys do realize sfiv neutral was almost nonexistent thanks to the vortex game right


Although, I am hoping they get it right with this upcoming patch

>>368398718
what upcoming patch?

>>368396174
I got to something gold with Ibuki a bit after she came out because I thought I was having fun but then I got bored again.

SFV is just dry as fuck.

>>368394020
I want to play chess on her boobs.

>>368396960
Yes, and unlike SFV, Super SF4 made the game a lot better, while Season 2 only compounded the problems of the first version.

I mean V didn't even come with finished art stills.
IV had animated sequences.

Capcom is fucking dead.

>>368398012
Ignoring absolutely legitimate concerns some people have with the game there are some really dedicated, loud and obnoxious anime fighter fans who are trying their best to badmouth the popular games to get people to play theirs.

So who's winning the donation thing?
Please tell me it isn't MvC.

>>368398772
CApcom announced an upcoming patch to season 2 to fix some of the shit that's stupid right now on Twitter


Fucking hell I really am hoping they get it right this time I'm anxious about it because I want to go to my locals

>>368397813
V has barely any neutral game. GG is pure agressiveness trying play like on it and see what you will get. BB characters have moves that will instantly fuck you up if you keep playing neutral
>>368398718
My hatred for the game is input delay not the neutral game retard. learn to read

>>368399160
have they given any details?

>>368387637
Because Smash games have other tournaments throughout the year. They don't need EVo to survive.

>>368398718
>sfiv neutral was almost nonexistent thanks to the vortex game right
Yeah man that start of round vortex setup was really something

Please don't talk about things if you don't understand them

If you actually want to criticise SF4's neutral complain about focus attacks and popularising the fg design decision of 'advancing +frames extension moves' like Sagat's EX knee, which was very controversial when SF4 came out and now you'll be hard pressed to find a modern fighting game without 'lmao I did my EX halfscreen attack now I'm plus eat this mixup faggot' shit

>>368399158
If you're talking about EVO 2017's donation, it came down to Ultimate Marvel and Pokken. Marvel won, thanks in part to some dude who personally donated thousands of dollars to make sure Nintendo didn't take a third spot in EVO's lineup.

>>368397854

To be honest, Marn is really the final nail to the coffin of the early-mid 00s GG scene. The early anime scene is pretty docile, and gets easily swayed by people like Marn and Flash. With such a small and niche group, you really have to be proactive with promoting your games, something that Marn was actually good at. The thing is, the anime community back then were either lazy as fuck and dont go to events much, or are primadonnas and entitled to do what they want. This ticked off wizard and the other TOs, and it was only when Marn fixed the bracket that became the final straw to an already floundering scene.

The anime community is actually way better off now than before. You still have the same issues; some dont really go to majors, really weird and insufferable personalities and online drama, offputting people etc, but atleast the players are more proactive now, putting in some effort despite these.

>SFV WILL BE GREAT
>next year it fuckin' flops

Oh crapcum drones.

>>368398718
>sfiv neutral is nonexistent thanks to vortex
First of all, existence of vortex has nothing to do with neutral game because the neutral is over before that shit even starts.

Second, don't pretend like vortex/setplay characters aren't in SFV either. Laura, Urien, and Balrog do not care about neutral at all.

To be fair, thats just karma. They also got fucked over by the FGC big wigs during the time they were trying to rebuild with Blazblue CT and Persona 4. Not saying its alright though; but you have to accept any community has politics like these too

>>368399404
>the anime community back then were either lazy as fuck and dont go to events much
it's still a problem actually, and a lot of them, top american players that is, are new yorkers

they're not known for being proactive in anything except not forgetting 9/11, whatever that is

>>368399603
>>368399135

>>368399353
>Play akuma

>Move back and forth fisher price "neutral"

>Get a knockdown with cr.HK from jab jab tatsu combo

>Start my mixup game


Ok

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>>368396094
>No one fucking plays Pokken. There were no tournaments anywhere and no big community anywhere.

That's wrong though, here's the event calender for last month, this month, and the next month alone. There's also Worlds, CEO, Dreamhack, and plenty of other large majors upcoming, and this isn't including non-streamed locals and weeklies. I don't even live in a major state (NC) and we have like 4 different weeklies that aren't listed here that get's decent attendance

It just doesn't seem like there's a community because everybody uses a discord channel instead of fourms.

>>368383668
Who gives a shit? Let me know when MvC:I comes out.

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>>368396174
Super gold

2Cents
They really need to stop this
>Mediums is the designated frametrap button that everyone needs to have.
That's all they have been doing latley.
Stop making every buttons so fucking stubby and give them some range and some worse framedata.

Nobody thinks about what they do when they get in, they just press buttons until you do something becuase everything is + on block.
They had to cut off Nashs limbs because he was the only character that had good reach in S1 while also still having unga buttons and he was clearly above a lot of characters for a good period of time because of it.
Did they need to gut him after people figured out how to stop his dash bullshit?
Fuck no, but he was still solid A tier.

That and oversimplifying the game to the point where we are losing depth
Prime example would be Juri and Ibkui, they are suppose to be technical but really they just do the same shit everyone else does they just have a setup after they are done hitting buttons in V-trigger.

And fuck every single grappler in this fucking game, they have alwasy been fucking cancer but now in a game where everything revolves around waiting for your opponet to finish hitting buttons they are all broken pieces of shit.
Fuck Zangeif players and their constant whine, they all know he was good from the start and just wanted to see how much they could sques out of peoples good faith because they had a "hard time" in SFIV because there was actual counter measures for them

How long until Smash takes over as the main game at Evo?

>>368399603
I dont have to accept anime niggers behaving like this and I will keep on calling them out as long as they do this.
They fucking love lashing out while playing the victim at the same time.

Besides that, their shit isnt working. It turns people off. Nobody wants to play with bitter fucktards like that.

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>>368398718

This man gets it.

This is the problem with FGC today, these motherfuckers have no grasp of fundamentals yet lose their shit about the lack of it any chance they get. Then, they reference the tirefire that is SFIV as an example of good neutral.

None of you motherfuckers were ever capable of whiff punishing. None of you were able to hit confirm without linking 3 jabs beforehand. None of you even knew what input lag was before autists started complaining about PCBs in you overpriced MadCatz sticks.

Yet here you are talking about lack of neutral like you grew up fucking shimmy-sweeping with Guile in Hyper Fighting. All the while praising garbage like USFIV as something other than the outsourced DIMPS trash it was.

>>368399135
that have always been a thing with anime, the more waifubait the game is the more obnoxious the players will be. see Nitroplus blasterz.

>>368399825
It's at like 3 tournaments a year. I can't find the picture now, but someone compiled one with entrants for each game all year at every tournament and pokken is behind marvel. I'm not saying no one plays it, but if you believe it has more players than marvel you're deluded.

>USFIV is just as shit as SFV

riiiight

>>368400803
>children comparing DIMPS games like it matters which one is better

They both blow and are as much "Capcom" games as Dark Void is.

>>368400781
>It's at like 3 tournaments a year.

This is far from accurate, it's much more then that. That said, Didn't mean to claim it has more players then marvel total.

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>sfv dying
>DOA5 growing

Pottery

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>>368396847
i just got it, here anon have a sexy

>>368399790
Cherrypicking the character with the most well known vortex in one version of the game isn't going to get you far against anyone who knows the game

Also putting fisher price before the word neutral doesn't magically invalidate the fact neutral was played I'm really not sure why you thought that would fly

Tell me how Bison for example can avoid playing neutral, I'll wait

>>368401106
Kasumi makes my dick grow

>>368383668
I'm glad, SFV it's shit

>>368400619
>its another oldman gets mad at young people for liking a something that was made for their generation in mind and not his episode.
every fucking games have something that will piss people off. it is not because you grew playing the unblalanced shit show that SF2 titles are that you have the right to shit on other games while feeling superior to others

>>368401285
He is kind of right though greatly exaggerates it

SFIV in the grand scheme of things is only a 'fundamental' game if you hold it against modern fighters that followed after it, and you basically don't get traditional 'fundamental' fighters anymore because for some reason every game needs to have some janky custom combo/free cancel system or three meters and gimmicky situational mechanics out the ass or people aren't interested, or so the developers think.

The closest you get is KoF and you can see KoF13 did pretty much exactly what I described, added a janky custom combo system that dominated the metagame, make fundamental defensive play much more difficult by making jumpins ridiculous and anti airs weaker, made hitconfirming braindead by making chaining 3 or 4 lights viable combo starters for serious damage combos (rarely the case in older kofs) and so on. It dumbed itself down in the same way SF4 and the games that followed it did.

You would never see stuff today like Last Blade 2 or Breakers Revenge where they just made a fighting game that was good and didn't try to jam in a billion silly mechanics and add their own spin to the genre.

>>368401106
>DOA5 growing
the game is only "growing" because of the whales wastings thousands of dollars on DLC. barely anyone play it

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>>368383668
Atleast resident evil is revived right bois? haha

>>368401148
>Play sfiv bison

>Head press

>Devil reverse mp float to "bait" special aa buttons

>Get close with devil reverse and throw out plus scissors kick

>Once close, start grab mixup

That was easy

>Play rolento

>Throw out rekka pt2 that's safe

>Build meter by whiffing daggers

>Ex roll during "neutral" to get close

>Overwhelm opponent with jab to force them to throw out a move and punish with rekka combo ender

>>368401148
ex scissors in and then press frametraps all day.

t. bison main

>>368383668
go back to /r/kappa

>>368400619
>Hyper Fighter
>imbalanced
>judging games you've never played

>tfw you used to play USFIV with /v/ on friday nights

that was fun. SFV ruined a hobby for me.

fighting games are gay so this is a good thing

>>368400197
I fucking hate Jew York fgc, fuck this Hurd unga meme


Nash doesn't even have unga buttons his problem was his stupid hard to react movement not his buttons Which they nerfed as well instead of just movement

>>368401285
>implying SFV isn't unbalanced
That being said ST is a far more interesting game and far more going on matchup-wise than SFV. Even ST Vega/Claw can be pseudo-counterpicked with Bison/Dictator.

Not to mention that it has actual zoners and varying character archetypes. SFV's top tier are all setplay/reset shitters with the exception of Guile, and even Guile is only top tier because of the ridiculous buffs they gave to his command normals and less because of his zoning. SFV doesn't have a projectile pressure character like Old Sagat and SFV Dhalsim barely qualifies as a distance fighter like ST Sim did.

tl;dr SFV characters are samey as fuck.

>>368401774
That is not how you play Bison at all, none of that will substitude neutral and devil's reverse in particular is a gimmick that will not work against competent players, nor will randomly 'throwing out' scissors which is -1 and puts you in a neutral position anyway

I'm sorry but you're bad at the game and I can't really go beyond that because you seem to fundamentally lack a grounding allowing me to actually discuss this

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>>368402014
>beast coast fgc
>not the best
fuck you dried husk up commiefornians where everything has to be PC and can't bant before hurting someones feefees

>>368402095
what are you talking about ST sim is much more rushdown than SFV sim.

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>>368401774
>throw out rekka pt2 that's safe
>-6

That being said Rolento and Bison are definitely shithead characters, although they're far more interesting than their SFV counterparts at least for Bison. Rolento would probably end up being watered down boring shit in SFV too though.

>>368402229
Lol let me guess you honestly believe walking back and forth while throwing bisons HK is neutral to you? I assume you have no idea how he was played because thats bisons staple flowchart. I guess you think blanka throwing out slide and st mp was neutral too

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>quintessential fireball character is bad at fireball game

>>368402476
Throwing out a normal in neutral is OBJECTIVELY playing neutral

You really should give up on this point

>>368402437
Fuck those characters but I swear one of them was -3 or -4 I guess it's just the first part either way fuck usfiv and these characters


Fuck Elena too

>>368402476
>I assume you have no idea how he was played because thats bisons staple flowchart.
At high level Bison was a pure footsies character and looking at any well known Bison player will show you that

>>368402476
>playing footsies isn't playing neutral
SFVbabbies never cease to amaze