Persona 5 is LESS THAN A MONTH AWAY. You learned Japanese

>>349216139
出来ない

>>349216139
の

No, the syntax makes no sense.

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無理をすんな

貴様ガンダム舐めるな

>>349216139
no one needs fucking japanese, i'd rather learn chinese

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I thought I did, but it turned out to be Korean

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Too busy playing Berseria right now to care.

>>>/int/63777616
>>>/int/63777616
>>>/int/63777616

>>349216548
汉语好语的

>>349216548
muh gorillion speakers in backwater farmland

>>349216880
Du musst jetzt in den Zug, Schlitzauge

Almost there

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>>349216139
No, its impossible.

literally learned the hiragana
learned the katakana
downloaded Tae Kim
and quit at page 20

I can't make it

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>>349216139

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>>349217192
I tried this and it worked,would reccomend

>>349217192
honesty worth a fucing try
nothing else is going to work it's impossible regardless

>>349216139
Actually, i learned japanese for Mizzurna Falls

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>>349216548

>>349217405
Mizzurna Falls is getting translated

>>349217276
hue

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>>349217276
>Significado: Deus Todo-Poderoso

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>>349217192
>tfw it not worked
>tfw no succubus (male)

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I got hiragana and katakana in a week
Japanese is practically done now, right?

>>349217547
Well i already played it 2 years ago

>>349217803
Isn't there another one that's pretty important?

>>349217847
Was it worth it?

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I learned Japanese because I am going to Japan and will probably need it there. I guess I will use it for some MGS pachinko shit, too.

>>349216548
>Learning Chinese

Save yourself the trouble and don't ever go that path, gweilo.

>>349216548
Not only is mandarin a meme, Chinese people are also the shittiest business partners imaginable.

>>349217524
FUCKING
THIS
HOLY SHIT

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>>349217803
Just another 4 years and you are done

>>349216959
>>349217524
>>349216548
>>349218285
>spouting this meme when the only reason you believe it some random ass story that some guy posted on an anonymous internet form with no way of actually verifying it's authenticity
You're all fucking idiots.

>>349218521
Hello Wang

>>349218521
I don't know man, he makes a pretty convincing argument.

>>349218521
Fuck off Chow, I buy your egg rolls every week now leave me alone.

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>>349217803
The Kana is only the beginning, it's no harder than learning the alphabet. Now Kanji? My only advice is to be diligent.

>>349217165
That's what you get for following the DJT guide. That shit is designed to make you give up and there are much better systems out there.

>>349216139
I'm waiting until the classes schedule for the next semester which will be released at some time. I thought about getting my Masters degree in chemistry in a different country, and maybe I'll apply at the university in Kyoto

>>349218521
A greentext story that long and detailed is more likely to be true than made up.

>>349218874
My advice is to get a damn good foothold on spoken Japanese and vocabulary before you even begin to look at Kanji. Makes that shit a thousand times easier.

What do you even do after learning kana
Learn phrases? vocabulary? kanji? grammar? all at the same time?

>>349219028
Even if its not the Chinese are still scum. You don't have to be in the steel industry to know that.

You can't learn it

Why is japanese the only nice sounding asian language? Is it because nearly every word ends on a vowel?

>>349219269
Yeah that's pretty much it. It's a pretty clean language phonetically.

>>349218959
How to do it then?

Why would I learn Japanese for a shit JRPG?

Chinese > Korean > Thai > Cambodian > Japanese

In terms of usefulness outside of entertainment

>>349219159
Once you're done with kana, do Genki 1 & 2. You can move on to 3 if you feel comfortable, or start with some kanji if you really want (although those are rarely found in vidya).

Also rosetta stone is pretty good for the grammar exercises. The rest of the app is garbage for learning though.

>memorised a few hundred kanji
>know how to write about 20 of those
>haven't even touched grammer

Everything's going to be daijobu right lads?

>>349219445
>south asians over anything

Is fucking little kids your primary entertainment?

>>349219343
I didn't like Tae Kim, either. I don't like how he explains things, but I read through it in a week. I enjoyed Japanese the Manga Way more. I liked the visual examples better. You'll probably need to go though the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar too. Decide on an easy manga to read (Yotsuba is great) and that will greatly help with reading.

>>349219709

SEA will be huge for startups soon and you will make a lot of money because there aren't many Western translators.

>>349219445
>Chinese is the most useful
Yeah if you plan on living in that shithole maybe. But then you don't even need to know chinese to live there

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/lazy-and-white-go-teach-in-china

>>349219445
Except why learn a language for any reason other than entertainment? If your job will become significantly better with the knowledge of a foreign language, or if you know someone who knows another language and you would like to communicate with them then sure, learn one of those languages. This isn't the case for almost anyone on 4chan, and they will get way more benefit from learning a language they actually want to learn.

獣エロゲ分かりたかったから、日本語を習いました ;^)

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>>349219445
Manchu > Korean > Thai > Cambodian > Japanese > Chinese

>>349220001
how are you supposed to learn kanji
those symbols look scary and they'd take too long to write
fukc

>>349220118

Anon, how often do you write shit by hand in real life? Writing is the least of your problems.

>>349220118
we have computers no one writes them anymore

さすがゲーマだな
皆全員ダメだな

>>349220118
Just learn them as you go, nigger.
Also Anki.

>>349217276
>>349217597
>>349217660
Translate it br monkeys

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>>349220118
>learning to write

Its a waste of time

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Where did he go?

>>349220351
Who cares, he's a shit teacher.

How does typing Kanji even work? There's several million characters or some shit, isn't there?

>>349220351
Back to Clapistan.
And just to repeat it for the thousandth time, dont take his videos as anything more than entertainment.

Why the fuck would I want to play Persona?

>>349220268
He thought he got a tattoo that meant Almighty God but it means Baka Gaijin (idiot foreigner). It was done by an actual Japanese tattoo artist in Japan too.

>>349220458
You type the word out in hiragana
and then the computer asks you what kanji you want
and then you select it

>>349220458
You type out the hiragana spelling and choose the kanji you want from a short list.

>>349219159
Go to /jp/ and find out
DOWNLOAD ANKI

>>349220351
He streams drunk vidya sometimes.

>>349220351
He was streaming Dota like 3 days ago.

If you haven't checked out Put It In Your Mouth I highly recommend it by the way, it's pure kino.

>>349220458
There are about 200+ radicals from which all the kanji are made. After learning them you write kanji like you're building with lego bricks.

>>349216139
I'm going to get it over with and read every spoiler that comes my way and get it over with so I can enjoy my free time instead of walking on eggshells for 5 months.

Fuck Atlus

>>349216587
I really hope this is true

Not gonna play that game but I'm almost at 11k vocab after mining from Core6k and I just started adding the Core10k words, I should end up at almost 14k words, shit's cash. Soon I'll be able to read books. I'm also learning Mandarin just in case they get good pop culture soon.

How2Learn日本語
>watch namasensei (EXTREMELY important)
>learn hiragana and katakana obviously
>download Anki on your PC & smartphone, learn its basics, Anki is your curse but it will give you great power in exchange for your lifetime
>get the Core10k vocabulary deck from ankiweb, do 20 new cards/day but not much more than that because you could get burned out
>bookmark Tae Kim's Grammar Guide and consult it as needed
>block all english shit on sadpanda, from now on you're fapping to nihongo raws fucker, be ready for a lot of pain and 20 minutes per speech bubble in the beginning
>graduate to VNs when you feel ready
>do this for a bit over a year
>start mining cards on your own

If you also want to learn how to write and speak difficulty skyrockets and you might want to check out RTK but people here probably don't care about that

>>349216139
learning japanese seems like it requires alot of effort to learn all the god damn symbols. especially if its just for video games. and it seems pointless aswell, for what reason would i need to learn japanese

>>349220765
>after mining from
after mining after*

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>>349220765
>watch namasensei
Stopped reading there.

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Yeah I have the PS4 LE edition on pre-order.
Bring it on family.

>>349220894
>didn't bring his notebook

>>349220789
What's the point of living?
Just do what entertains you, people learn jap for better porn access

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>>349216139
もう習ったけどさぁ。。。

>>349216548
This is my favorite fucking meme, spoken like a true armchair internet intellectual who hasn't actually dealt with any international's for work. Japan has the worlds third largest GDP, and despite being a fucking fraction of the size with one tenth the population of China, isn't far behind them. On top of that, they have a booming science industry and even produced a Nobel Prize winner last year. Tokyo and Osaka University are great schools, and RIKEN is an amazing research institute. They manufacturing companies are also world famous for their quality and attention to detail.

You know what China is known for in the international community? Lying, cheating and stealing everything from tests to get into English colleges, to ripping people off in manufacturing, to literally murdering people with your car so you don't have to pay their medical bills if they survive you hitting them by accident. Please anon, I implore to explain to me why anyone who wasn't a retarded anti-weeb redditor teenager who knows literally nothing of the world would suggest to anyone to learn Chinese and have to interact with those horrible, disgusting people.

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>>349220894
You fucking bitch,let's fucking read.
Boku wa neko ga suki desu.
I like fucking cats.Now drink beer.

>>349220765
>also learning Mandarin just in case they get good pop culture soon.

Watch the Three Kingdoms (2010) series. As far as budget and production value goes, it's basically the Chinese equivalent to Game of Thrones. It's the best work of high drama they've ever produced by a country mile.

>>349220789
It barely has a worse alphabet from a hiragana perspective than any other language; some would even say it's simpler since it's (mostly) based on phonetics and simple syllables.

>>349221021
kek, china is booming and is becoming much more wealthy every year
in the meantime japan is stagnating since 20 years because instead of economical reforms every other legislature period they elect a buffon who has the genius plan of throwing money on the economy (which literally never worked on its own)

>>349220671
I loved PIIYM, the second season was weird/shit though

>>349221719
>kek, china is booming and is becoming much more wealthy every year
As quality of life and business dealings get worse and worse.

>in the meantime japan is stagnating since 20 years because instead of economical reforms every other legislature period they elect a buffon who has the genius plan of throwing money on the economy (which literally never worked on its own)
First off, you a stupid uneducated ESLfag that should kill themself. Second, stop reading headlines about Abenomics and pretending you actually understand the economic climate in Japan and can predict its future.

I know enough to read Yotsubato but I still need to learn way more.

I've been slipping since college is starting back up.

Fuck me. I'm not even excited for it anymore. I was really hoping there wouldn't be a huge gap for the English release.

>>349221320
Yeah I'm planning to, I've heard its great.

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>>349216139
意味ないし
2はいつまで経っても一番

>>349222137
> quality of life
that doesnt get worse, but nice try

>First off, you a stupid uneducated ESLfag that should kill themself. Second, stop reading headlines about Abenomics and pretending you actually understand the economic climate in Japan and can predict its future.
abenomics is a fucking failure
but here read yourself
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/15/business/international/severe-contraction-and-falling-prices-in-japan-signal-tough-test-for-abenomics.html?_r=0

> The Cabinet Office said output in Asia’s second-largest economy declined by 1.4 percent in annualized, price-adjusted terms.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/worried-japanese-businesses-deal-sharp-blow-to-abenomics-9m6bwnzm0

> Data out this week indicated that the economy was teetering on the brink, with growth flat, trade contracting and the yen appreciating to levels unexpected by exporters and hitting their bottom lines.

but hey you are a weaboo and japan is the best country in the world amirite?

>>349222730
>that doesnt get worse
It does, try going there or talking to Chinese people.

>abenomics is a fucking failure
>Jew York Times
What did I just fucking say about pretending you understand economics, you stupid sub-human faggot?
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21702756-abenomics-may-have-failed-live-up-hype-it-has-not-failed-and
Try reading something that isn't Daily Show tier "news".

>Data out this week
>this week
I definitely take that seriously.

Now then, show me anything that ranks China's quality of life anywhere Japan's, show me something that talks about working in China or with Chinese people, and show me something that talks about the quality of China's universities and government research centers compared to Japan's. Remember, linking MSM bullshit about how Abenomics is evil and not even pretending to understand how that works or how life there is does not constitute an answer. Show me you're not just an idiot parroting shit he found on his libcuck friends' facebook feed.

>>349216139
シ ツ
ン ソ
エ 工
オ 才
カ 力
タ 夕
ロ 口
ミ 彡
人 入
千 干
土 士
未 末
辛 幸
比 北
綱 網
瓜 爪
微 徴

Its impossible to learn japanese

>>349223105
> show me anything that ranks China's quality of life anywhere Japan's
> show me something that talks about the quality of China's universities and government research centers compared to Japan's
this wasn't even mentioned, you really should have learned to read in school, but I guess you never had a chance in the american system
> show me something that talks about working in China or with Chinese people
hurrdurr facts are not good enough, I need hearsay to sustain my bias
> Show me you're not just an idiot parroting shit he found on his libcuck friends' facebook feed.
of course you are cucked by that retard trump, that explains a lot

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>chinese version releasing at the same time as jp

Its not fair

>>349223443
>未 末
WHAT THE FUCK

>>349223443
You most suck at "spot the difference" games.

>>349223623
>this wasn't even mentioned,
Are you a fucking idiot? So you really don't know anything about either of these countries, or work opportunities there, and are literally just shitposting about news headlines you read off shitty MSM sites.

Thanks for reminding everyone just how stupid China shills are.

>of course you are cucked by that retard trump, that explains a lot
You have to go back.

>>349222243
It's probably for the best. I imagine there will be people like me posting spoilers in random threads unrelated to P5 for the months leading up to release.

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>Start taking Japanese classes
>"So, why did you choose to learn japanese?"

What do you say?

>>349223825
"I want to travel outside my home country for grad school/work and they're the only first world country that isn't being filled with minorities and muslims while nose-diving and destroying it's own culture and heritage, and I respect that."

>>349223825
To able to read my eroge novels senpai

>>349223825
Porn games.

>>349223825

I've got a guaranteed job in a multinational and I appreciate the low crime rates and tomfoolery that Japanese guys get into.

>>349223443
Fug

>>349216587
축하해요 !

>>349223623
Damn, you got rekt HARD by the weeb, son.

>>349223825
International business

Don't be like the fucking moron girls in my Mandarin class 2 years ago that said "well, the college doesn't offer Korean" and proceeded to sperg about k-pop. Way to offend the professor. I can't even imagine a Japanese class.

>have both Hiragana and Katakana memorized, but only by looking at them
>when I try to write them down I can't remember shit

Welp.

>>349216306
That's the spirit!

>>349224481
then you don't have them memorized.
Start again and do it properly this time

>>349217925
It was, well not for one game. But now i can import every game and don't have to be afraid that i get to play Yakuza games 10 years later

How is the difference to watching subbed/ translated stuff from japanese?
Is there a lot of meaning lost?

>>349225331

Depends on the quality of the sub. Things sound funnier in Japanese to me and I feel like some of the humor doesn't translate.

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>>349218521
I wonder who could be behind this post

>>349225331
>Is there a lot of meaning lost?
As a translator who considers his work some of the best around (I don't release anything I'm not happy with, and most fan and professional translators suck) I can say even mine are "passable" at best. The truth is you'll never compare to actually reading and understanding the material in its original language.

>>349223825
Gay furry porn gamgames

>>349225508
But if you learned Japanese as a second language aren't you just understanding it translated to english in your head?

>>349225331
Depends on the quality of the translation, but if you take Drakengard 3 as an example, the english dub completely changes the characters' personalities.

>>349225590
No, it's only like that when you first start learning the language. If you're still at the point where you have to convert all the thoughts into your mother tongue in your head, then you have no business translating. Sadly, a lot of fan translators hardly speak Japanese or English but still do it.

>>349225590
Imo you haven't truly learned a language until you start thinking in that language

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>>349216139
Yes.

>>349225590
Depends on how you learn really.
You can learn a language in the same way you learned english, and not have the words go through an automatic translator in your head.
When you speak, read, think, or do anything in english, you're not translating it right? They just have meaning. It's the same for when you learn another language.
Well, when you learn it well at least.

>>349225331
They ruined Marie

>>349218521
and a ching chong to you too, li xingxong

>>349225881
I dunno, I would think that jokes that don't translate would require growing up in that culture to understand. It's not something that can just be learned in a textbook.

I guess I'm wrong about that

>>349226138
It's damn near impossible to actually learn a language without also learning that country's culture as well.

>>349226138
Well yeah, when I say learning it well, I also mean immersing yourself in the culture and reading up on it so you can understand things like that.

>>349226138
I dunno man. I watch a lot of GnT and other japanese variety shows and I started "getting" the humor pretty quickly.
Other people I've tried to introduce to that stuff don't seem to get it at all

>>349226138
English is my second language and I understand most of the jokes/references from movies and tv shows. I know nothing of USA's or England's history though.

>>349226138
You only know English right?

>>349225508
Go back to /m/ TE

>>349226836
Swing and a miss, champ.

>>349216880
>>349216959
>>349217524
>>349218202
>>349218285
>>349221021
lol triggered weebs

Learning Japanese is a bigger waste of time.

>>349227301
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>349225331
You don't even have to get vary far in learning the language to notice how much is lost in translation.

>>349227301
t. dirty chink

>>349227301
>Can't think of a single reason to convince people to learn his shitty chinkland language
>Call them weebs

Heh, that'll show those 4channers amirit?

>>349223443
The difference in most of these is immediately obvious to anyone with even a basic grasp of the importance of the strokes in each character. The problem with this, however, is that you have people who recommend learning Japanese by recognition of characters and sound alone without learning how to write said characters, which makes differentiating them more difficult, because understanding how they're written helps IMMENSELY when trying to differentiate similar characters.

Even if you haven't learned the more complex characters in this list, if you've learned even a small amount of Kanji, the subtle differences in each character becomes painfully obvious even with just a glance.

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>>349225508
>The truth is you'll never compare to actually reading and understanding the material in its original language.
Yeah, sure...

>>349228224
Also context is a big thing

>>349223443
Also, you'll pretty much never mistake characters like カ and 力、タand夕 even though they're essentially written exactly the same way once you know the meaning because just knowing even basic sentence structure will make it obvious as to what is being used.

Can't wait to spoil the game for EOP plebs.

>>349228857
This as well.

my life is a waste of time

>>349229209
isn't that why it's so juicy?

>>349223825
I want to smash Japanese chick's and populate Japan with my Halfie children!

よく読むと話すことをできるだがP5の大部分はなんか難しそう感じだ

just gonna read spoilers to ruin it for everybody

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Recommend me some games with easy japanese

>>349216139
>listening to nip voice acting

fuck NO.

>>349223443
fuck this shit
make them use romaji or something
this and kanji is too much

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>>349232794
Famicom games

>>349216548
the chinese are filthy scumbags, fuck their language and fuck their shitty country

>>349232969
>Listening to a 40 year old American with no acting skills trying to sound like a "wacky Japanese teen girl"
Fuck no.

ギット・グッド

>>349233129
what do you use to translate that text?

>>349234275
ur brain

>>349234275
Not him, but I'm pretty sure the idea is that you read it.

>>349234395
>>349234424
do you use a hiragana symbol sheet and look for the matching letters?

>>349234521
Are you retarded?

>>349234571
yeah

can you help me anyway

>>349234521
you know what man
whatever works for YOU
don't worry about what I do

>tfw can read at a decent pace with a texthooker
>tfw almost hopeless without one

I think it's going to take me at least a year to read console games at a decent pace.

>>349234746
but i dont know how im supposed to learn japanese by playing nes games man

>>349234627
>can you help me anyway
No, I can't help people who are too lazy and stupid to help themselves.

>>349223825
I've always like japanese history and mythology
It's a very interesting side of world with of different ideas inside
I also had a dream of learning japanese and visiting a pokecenter as like 6-7

>>349221719
Chinese government overestimates the power of their economy and inflates statistics all the time. Industry is good for them right now simply because the lower impoverished class has kept relatively quiet but just wait, shit won't last long as they treat the large swath of their population like literal dirt.

>>349232794
any vidya originally made for Japanese grade schoolers such as Yokai Watch or any Level 5 games you name

>>349232794
newer pokemon. you can switch between english to japanese kana to kanji whenever you feel like it

>>349239367
Is that just for the Japanese version or does even the NA version have that?

>>349218521
Even the nicest chinese I've met are still scum, and I was just glad they were my "friends".

>>349234773
Well that sounds about right. Just keep at it.

>>349234773
Texthooker?

>>349239904
all versions

>>349225759
What's that? It has a lot of stats and qt characters.

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>>349216587

Who the fuck is this girl and why does she get associated with learning Japanese?

>>349242687
Mark her words, kiddo. >>349218106

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>he gave up on kanji

>>349216139
No, this kind of game is too weeb for me.

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>>349216587
The more I read this the funnier it gets.

You outdid yourself with this one champ.

>>349220789
>alot
Start with English

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>>349223825
Because I want to eat this

As always, 6 years into learning Japanese, living in Tokyo now.

Persona 5 is child's play to me. And honestly it just is in general. Sneaking into hearts of sinful adults is such a teenager-oriented premise. I was so hyped for the "phantom thief" concept and this is what they do with it?

Why would I learn Japanese to play a shit game?

>>349216587
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

>>349225759
have phys/guns overtaken magic in smt4 final?

>>349223443
the only one that fucks with me is the one at the very bottom

P5?キモヲタ向けゲームはもうお腹いっぱいだからいいです

>>349247942
I dunno autist friend, P5 looks positively mainstream compared to some other things for キモオタs.

>>349246107
Hang in there PCuck, you'll have your day in the sun one day.

>>349248707
You should consider getting better taste.

>>349216139
Watashi Nippongo nicht comprende de suka

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I can understand very simple phrases. Is Paper Mario good for training? I wanted to play it and thought why not play it in japanese with dictionary and grammar guide.

>>349216139
>Learning a dead language which I won't even be using maybe except for a few porn games.
Nah.

But it's hilarious how some people feel superior and almightly because of it and keep furiously defending the fact that is wasn't a waste of time.

>>349216139
Is a month enough time to learn enough to play Persona?

>>349251140
Month spent 24/7 on intense learning - sure

>>349250851
Learning things is generally not a waste of time.

I'm thinking of getting back in the scene, maybe work on some H-manga. Any gems that need translating? I was thinking of working on some gender-bender stuff.

>>349251491
If it's not loli don't bother, fag.

>>349251140
only if somewhere where you are surrounded by japanese people, maybe

>>349251140
From nothing? Perhaps, but you'd have to restrict your activities to eat, sleep, and learn Japanese.

This is my excuse

http://fanlations.tradukosoft.com/category/persona-5/

>>349217524
Not defending anyone there but that guy seemed like an idiot himself.

For example sending a single hobo expert to check upon the goods? And after what he's been through? Is he retarded? Why didn't he just go himself when so much was on the line and it was this huge of a deal?

Smells like bullshit to me really and If this is real, serves him right.

>>349216139
No, I'm learning Japanese because I want to properly masturbate to the voice of a 40-something Japanese woman acting as Japanese teenagers

It doesn't go well so far

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>>349216139
>tfw you don't need to learn kanji cause you're a dirty chink

>>349251363
Anon shhhhh Just let him get dementia in his 40s.

>>349255018
Having to be a chink is enough of a curse to balance out that boon.

>>349247942
無理してるように見えて草

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>about to go back into learning Japanese
>haven't studied kanji, vocabulary, or grammar in months
At least I still remember most of the Hiragana and Katakana. That's not nothing.

>>349216139
You can't learn Japanese.

>>349256506
Nigga, it's like completing a tutorial level. Just drop it, screw it.

>>349232971
>being this stupid
It's funny you retards bitch about this when Japan has a higher literacy rate than any English-speaking country.

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>study kanji all day
>no end in sight.

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>>349256245
things are pretty bad here

>>349256895
Start using it.

>>349256365
>says the guy using Japanese internet lingo on an English imageboard

Nothing screams "tryhard" harder than this. But it's true the other guy is a tryhard too, P5 is hardly kimoota material.

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So, I'm stuck at Basic grammar. Looks like I can't remember shit if I don't need it. Would be easier if I had a real reason to learn it, I guess. I don't even play vidya nowadays, just brag about it.

>>349257810
Dude speaks Japanese, you reply in Japanese.

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>>349255018
>lighting fast Chinese translations because Japanese easy mode.

>>349216139
I wanna fuck this smug girl.

>>349258505
Unless you can speak Japanese all you'll see is her smugness for all eternity.

some fuccboi will just annotate it on youtube

>>349216548
This.
Too bad my unoversity doesn't seem to offer courses this year.

Morgana leaves the party midway through the game

Final boss is a big judge with a beard

Game is 50 hours long

>>349258048
>>349256895
READ. you won't learn shit unless you apply it like >>349257390 said.

>>349258194
自分の稚拙な日本語を他人に見せ付けるバカを真似するんじゃねぇよ

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give it to me straight /v/.

how easy is learning just single kanjis alone all 3000+?
how easy is learning the compound kanjis?

>>349259113
What's a compound kanji?

>>349259162
two or more kanjis together

>>349259224
That's what you call "word".

>>349258987
Infact you should be using it asap.
Even if you're liek spending 30 minutes to read a few pages of yotsuba or some shit.

>>349259113
What "easy"? Kanji and the word "easy" don't belong in the same sentence.
You do realize that Japanese children learn these for their whole school career right?

Hell, most japanese people don't even know more than 2000 kanji and have to translate them in everyday life

>>349259113
dont games rarely make use of kanji?

>>349259402
lol

>>349259023
突然、片言をほざいてしまって
頭イカレタのか
次は日本語で頼むよ

>>349259402
If you play Pokemon, maybe

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>>349216139
>>349216306
本当に!?

私は悲しいです。

>>349216139
Nah, I'm learning it for visual novels.

>>349217803
wwwwwwwwwww
はい、終りです。

>>349259113
>>how easy is learning just single kanjis alone all 3000+?
4 months of fairly laid-back work, maybe an hour a day if you're a bit slow.
>how easy is learning the compound kanjis?
These are called words, you dumb idiot. There are tens of thousands of them. Just because you know the letters c, a, and t, doesn't mean you know what cat means.

>>349259443
Why do keep trying so hard? It's embarassing to watch. Noone cares that you know 草生えた.

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What's the best written Japanese game?

>>349253087
I don't know why anyone would ruin the game for themselves by mashing through all of the dialogue and reading summaries. You do understand that the gameplay will be hot garbage, right? People play these games for the story, and you're getting none of it.

>>349259113
horsedeerdayo

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>tried learning it
>learned kana
>able to make very basic sentences
>realized that playing 1-2 games can't justify wasting time on kanji I have no other use for it at all
>dropped
No regrets.

are you saying that I wont be able to play it with the google translate app on my phone?

>>349259685
何でが人間の質ですか

>>349218521
https://youtu.be/HLIYMUN_vvY?t=1m
DEFEND this

>>349259270
No? Even radicals classify as words, since they still have their own meaning.

>>349260114
ur mum a word

>>349259972
The idea that anyone would ever learn a language to play a single game is pure insanity. What's mindblowing is that you couldn't come up with more reasons than that.

There's so much shit out there that's only in Japanese, and half the stuff that gets translated is done so poorly that you shouldn't even be reading it.

>>349259113
I'd learn vocabulary before I focused entirely on kanji. Vocabulary will give you results sooner and will keep your morale up as more and more sentences become understandable. And once you have a solid vocabulary you will have a much easier time learning the kanji individually because you will have already learned half the readings and recognize them and their general meaning.

>>349220118
Do RTK. it won't teach you kanji, but it will teach you radicals, it really helped me.

>>349260114
>Even radicals classify as words
No, words are used to describe radicals.

数年前に習ったけどダウンロード版は高すぎるね. ¥8800 全然払えないよ

>>349259664
やっぱりダメですねこういう人は
狂ったようなイミフな書き込みを投稿しっぱなしでどうするの

>>349216587
You can fuck qt plastic SK hoes instead of having to deal with bucktoothed fish smelling fucks

As long as it's just a fuck as you go, you shouldn't care that they are plastic

>>349259565
>needing to call people dumb because they don't know moon

for what purpose? to stroke your weeb ego?

a single kanji has its own meaning. radicals make up the kanji or "word"

皮=skin
肉=meat
but 皮肉 = irony

there is probably 10000000+ combinations that like that where the kanjis give you no help.

>>349260573
Please just stop, noone cares that you can mimick shitposters from 2ch. I guess you have to look up a new 2ch post to ape every time you post an reply.

>>349218521
Get lost Wong.
>tfw I work in roofing in Texas and I can easily believe that this story is 100% true
The subhuman chinks I have to deal with here are just as cheap and disgusting as the ones he describes.

Half our sales people flat out refuse to give quotes to people with chink sounding names because of how subhuman you vermin are.

It makes me happy inside, because 100% of the time the chinks trying to con their insurance companies for cash go with the shitty illegal spic roofing "companys" that use substandard materials and then disappear (which means their 'warranties' dont actually exist) after doing shit work. And the insurance company isn't going to pay out twice.

:^) everytime I hear about a beaner defrauding a chink conman I feel happy inside. and it happens all the time.

>>349260598
Sick cherry picking dude, choosing a jukugo that literally exists because of an old Chinese story that was weirdly interpreted by the nips to mean something completely different.

>>349216139
No, because I don't give a shit about Persona.

I am trying to learn Japanese, though. I used to study a year and a half ago, but I stopped and now I'm trying to start from the ground up again with hiragana and katakana memorization. I actually have 5 of these threads open starting from July 28th so I can read through them once I've memorized all of those and see what I should do next.

>>349260373
>What's mindblowing is that you couldn't come up with more reasons than that.
>There's so much shit out there that's only in Japanese
But I don't read manga, don't watch Japanese shows, except for Arino, and big movies already got translations. I only wanted to play a few games, but I don't think I'll even finish them.

>>349260728
あのさ
火病の治療法をしてから出直せよ
ガチで、お前の英語の書き込みまでめっちゃくっちゃになっとる

>>349260845
You didn't study a year and a half ago if you can't even remember the kana. These threads are also terrible for advice, 70% of people here are underage beginners, 25% are people who haven't even started or jump in to make excuses, and maybe 5% if you're lucky know more than a few hundred kanji.

>>349260925
Did you ever consider that you could do new things? Hell, Arino translations are coming out at a snails pace these days, makes me glad I learned nip to keep up to date with the show. The Pokemon playthrough on Youtube is pretty entertaining, because you get to see the original names of most of the pokemon. Tastes vary, but there's a sizeable chunk of nip TV that's pretty fun to watch that I never would have seen without learning the language, and there's so much variety in manga that I'm convinced anyone who doesn't read it is just an idiot who doesn't know how to look, not everything is Jump shit and you have 30+ years of back-material.

>>349216139
I don't care about Persona 5 unless it let me romance the loli twins in it.

>>349261152
Whatever, 火病-kun, I'm just telling you you're not hot shit for posting 2ch shit on 4chan.

>>349261268
I can remember the kana, I just want to re-grind them so they're fresh in my head now. I wasn't talking about advice, I meant things like what learning resources to look into like Tae Kim for grammar, etc. I've read /a/'s guide a few times but I like looking in other places for these things too.

>>349223763
that's why you need to learn radicals.

>>349261437
And preferably also write it all out by hand. Then you'll never consider something like 千 and 干 or 辛 and 幸even remotely similar.

>>349261660
I'm writing every word of anki.
It's taking longer but it certainly helps with the retention rate.

>>349261660
>幸
I can't even fucking see how it looks with my awful sight, have to get closer to the monitor, let alone stuff like 網. Ridiculous.

>>349261812
Complaining about computer fonts is adorable, go read some grass kanji.

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>>349261437
>that's why you need to learn radicals.
???

>>349261812
Go play PS1 games in japanese and then go back.
We'll see if you'll complain about computer fonts after that.

>>349261892
Why would I not complain about literally not being able to see this shit? Recognition isn't even the issue here.

>>349261371
正直、俺が何なのかは俺の決めつけ次第として
お前が先の短文に突然逝かれっちまってのはどう見ても普通じゃない。
狂人のストレスの限界ってとこがあるような気がしてならん
要するに、精神科病院を捜すか、ネットから離れるべきに思える

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>>349262083
jesus fucking christ

>>349262130
Because you're obviously incredibly new to the language if this shit bothers you. They're perfectly legible, unless you're the kind of shit eating retard who is browsing on a phone or something.

>>349225331

Depends, humor is hard to translate for example

Didn't like P3 or P4 personally and IDGAF about spoilers

Some day I'll stop being lazy and learn nip so I can play the games I want to that are Japan only

>>349262083
Just pick them up by context you niggers, and learn words, not Kanji individually like a tard.

>>349261268
You know, I guess you are right. Learning things that have that much potentially interesting content behind it is never a waste of time.
I should give Japanese a second try. Can you recommend some easy texts or games with easy texts to read with a grammar guide? Preferably with no kanji or with furigana.

>>349262179
>ネットから離れるべきに思える

Hilarious coming from someone who's only appearent skill is copying shitpost patterns from 2ch. Give me one more, cause I know you can't stop replying.

>>349262221
Most phones have a decent enough resolution that it's perfectly legible unless they need reading glasses

Maybe they're browsing the thread on a PSP or 3DS

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How can a NEET learn nip? If you had that much dedication you wouldn't be in the situation you are in now.

>>349262267
>Some day
No, you won't. You'll just keep going "maybe tomorrow" and making excuses like "I'm really busy at university right now" or "I want to focus on working for a little bit" and before you know it, you'll be 40 years old and wondering where half your life went, and why you never did anything with it. Then you'll figure it's too late to start anyway, and on your deathbed you'll wish that you had the chance to play Baldr Sky.

>>349262293
That's what I'm planning to do. I just pointed out that these two in particular are extremely similar, and meme spouting like "that's why you learn radicals" doesn't make them look much different, because they even made up of the same parts. I bet even native speakers can sometimes confuse these two.

>>349262393
Probably.

>>349262221
>incredibly new to the language
Well no shit.
>unless you're the kind of shit eating retard who is browsing on a phone or something.
1080p screen. It's just annoying as fuck that I can't visually distinguish those at the same distance as I can English letters due to the small-ass parts. Guess I'll have to start wearing glasses at all times if I ever get to learning jap.

>>349262387
Passion for one thing but not the other

>>349219269
Interesting observation, I would almost describe it as a toy language from the sound alone.
It just doesn't sound like anything else.

>>349262387
t. butthurt wagecuck who thinks no one should pursue their interests unless it gets their boss an annual raise

>>349219269
Korean sounds fine. Chinese is a ching chong disaster though.

>>349262324
Find a grammar guide that works for you, decent choices are Tae Kim or Japanese The Manga Way, go through Core 2k to get some vocab under your belt, then read Yotsuba. It's easy, entertaining, and there are pictures so it's hard to get confused from a lack of context.

>>349262502
You can't distinguish them because you don't know them. If you knew the symbols, you'd be able to read them even if they were half that size, because you can read English when it's a blurry mess because you're familiar with how words look.

>>349216139
I don't need to learn Japanese to draw porn of it.

>>349262387
Just because there's zero personal value in becoming a mindless corporate slave, doesn't mean NEETs can't be dedicated.

Money is meaningless. A human needs only a minuscule fraction of a minimum wage salary to thrive.

>>349262586
If you went to school and didn't waste your time, you wouldn't be a wagecuck. Not everyone has a job flipping burgers. Go fap to your imaginary gf and kill yourself.

>>349262631
Thank you. Appreciate your help.

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Jrpgs are really in a sorry state when Persona is one of the better looking upcoming games. I was hoping they'd drop that garbage calendar day by day system. But they kept it, so you know it's going to be the same shit again, rushing through the dungeon in one night then fucking about with stupid social links till a specific date just to progress through the damn story.

>>349262814
If you work, you are a literal cuck. You are giving away the hours of your existence for the financial gain of someone else.

I don't work, and I get to study Japanese and do whatever I want all day with your tax money. Suck it.

>>349262814
>Not everyone has a job flipping burgers
99% of people effectively do. There's no real difference between flipping burgers and entering numbers into spreadsheets. The vast majority of jobs are pointless busywork designed only to keep the proles "productive" so the whole system doesn't come crashing to a halt.

You could offer me a high paid job starting tomorrow, with 5 hour work days and a relaxed atmosphere, and I wouldn't take it. I value my time a few orders of magnitude higher than you value yours, which is why you whore yourself for peanuts to buy shiny trinkets to adorn the house you can never spend any time in because you're too busy working.

What's the difference between

日本語を学ぶできない

and

日本語を学ぶすることはできない

>>349262393
Kaiji is that you? Or the narrator?

>>349263065
日本語を学ぶはできない forgot the は in the first one

>>349262767
>NEETs
>dedicated

Good joke. You don't have to be a corporate slave. You /r9k/ school shooters think every job consists of being a corporate wagecuck? Delusion or trying to justify your inability? Living on minimum wage isn't ideal as well, don't lie.

>>349262942
Getting 500 bucks a month in autismbux is good to you? You're a literal nigger on welfare. You are exactly the same as them.

>any job makes you a cuck
Even ones where you get 6 figures+ yearly?

>>349263020
Let me guess, you're busy studying Nietzche, and going to the gym improving your body? Who are you lying to like that? You and I both know you sleep with cum stained underwear after fapping to your imaginary friend. Unsightly.

Also, if you were given a high paying 7 figure job with relax hours and atmosphere, you would take it. I don't understand why you have to lie on an anonymous imageboard.

>>349263254
>Even ones where you get 6 figures+ yearly?
Yeah.

I also don't get autismbux, I have 900k left in inheritance.

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>>349216548
Anyone have the webm of the Chinese woman getting swallowed by an escalator and people standing around not fucking helping her?

>>349242952
>he learned kanji

>>349263369
last time i posted that i got banned

>>349263345
>trustfund babby

Not him, but you don't apply in this situation you rich faggot

>>349263254
>Living on minimum wage isn't ideal as well, don't lie.
It is. What you don't understand is that a life spent chasing after buying a bigger house, a bigger car, getting a better wife, it's utter delusional madness sold to you in the hopes that you'll be a better worker bee for the hive.

You don't need a lot of money. I save a few hundred bucks a month because welfare is insanely lenient, 500 bucks a month is far more than anyone actually needs. You're a fool for thinking that you need to work to survive, let alone thrive.

If you gave me 6+ figures a year, all I'd do is put 95% of it into a savings account, buy some property in a few years, and retire while living off the rent. It'd be a little more stable, but effectively I'd be making about the same money I do now doing nothing, but I would have wasted years of my life, while having to deal with tenants.

>>349263065
>>349263241
Neither is correct Japanese grammar.

日本語を学ぶはできない only works if it's like 「日本語を学ぶ」, i.e. it's a quoted phrase.

日本語を学ぶすることはできない has extra する, should be 日本語を学ぶことはできない.

>>349263626
I do because I was a penniless neet for a long time, I had no idea my grandpa was rich until he died.

>>349263768
I see, if it doesn't bother you, can you tell me the proper usage of する in this context? Or just why it doesn't fit here.

>>349253308

Not to mention he paid for a literal stranger's medical treatment.

I'm a paramedic, but you couldn't even pay me (lol) to get in an ambulance and translate for some guy I don't even know, leaving my buddy alone at the mercy of those gook doctors, and then he's goes beyond retarded and pays for the dude, so he got forced into translating and paying for a random stranger. Forget that. He was an idiot.

>>349264086
manabu is already a verb

>>349264086
I presume you learned the grammar as [~することができない]

する there is meant to represent a verb in dictionary form and be replaced by it in any sentences you make. In 日本語を学ぶことはできない you already have a verb 学ぶ. If it were 日本語を勉強することはできない, the verb is 勉強する so you go with that.

At least this is what I presume you found confusing about it.

>>349264283
I feel so stupid right now. Thanks.

>>349264345
Didn't see your post, thanks for thoroughly taking the time to explain. Basically する is for words which aren't always verbs?

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>>349223443
>カ 力
This one apparently bothers even the natives.

>>349264709
To put it in general terms, you take a noun add する and have a verb.

勉強 - studying
勉強する - "to do studying" = to study

This is a very general outline of the idea, you obviously can't do it with every noun etc. etc.

>>349264863
Gotcha, thanks again.

>>349223443
戦ぐ(そよぐ)
階(きざはし)
泥む(なずむ)
希う(こいねがう)
集く(すだく)
挙って(こぞって)
論う(あげつらう)
一入(ひとしお)
徐に(おもむろに)
焼べる(くべる)
四方山(よもやま)
態々(わざわざ)
努々(ゆめゆめ)
準える(なぞらえる)
与する(くみする)
弁える(わきまえる)
鬼灯(ほおずき)
円やか(まろやか)
設える(しつらえる)
塗れる(まみれる)

受けたか失敗しましたか

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I just finished watching the last Persona 3 movie and I know for a fact that P5 won't get anywhere close.

>>349265480
Do the movies, unlike the game, actually feel like there's a story going on?

>>349265642
Hard to say for me since I played and finished the game first and only revisited the movies recently.

The fourth movie is absolutely amazing. 1, 2, 3 are sort of meh.

No thanks, I'll wait for the localized version.

>>349265923
Enjoy cucksorship.

>>349216391
To an Anglo maybe.

Is there a non-anonymous chatgroup or something where Nip learners congregate?

>>349266180
/r/learnjapanese

>>349221719
When the housing bubble burst China will crash harder than Holo crashing the pyrite market. It has 90s Japan plastered all over it.

>>349216139

I am Japanese :)

My name is Fuji Aya

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>>349216587
Kek

Am I the only one who think calling the I-adjective adjective is a stretch? They mostly act like verbs, why don't just call them verbs?

>>349216587
Memes aside, Korean is going to be more useful than Japanese. Korean culture and products are growing at an accelerated rate and spreading worldwide. You really only need to know Jap for weeb shit.

>>349266180
Like a Steam group or a Discord chat?
The last Steam group sort of fell apart quickly for reasons I don't quite get. It had to do with people being on different levels of fluency or something.

>>349266748
Any sufficiently active forum that's not filled to the brim with retards that can't even into kana. Being able to practice speaking is a huge boon.

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>>349266734
Korean is for e-sports, mmo and things that try to be weeb.

>>349266895
WaniKani forum, which you can fully access without being subscribed.

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Yes
I have been doing 10 cards a day until around the end of July not realizing (must have turned it to 10 one day and forgot) that the default was 20. Doing 20 a day now though and I regret not realizing this sooner, I am learning so much faster at the same rate, missed out on a bunch of cards cause of this. Oh well at least I'll get to the cards I missed sooner or later