So /v/, Where were YOU when doubters, haters, unbelievers, naysayers

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>>349080964
Derek Smart on suicide watch.

>>349081078
this looks worse than NMS

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>>349080964
Posting this thread on /v/

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>>349080964
>Somehow looks worse than NMS
>the only time you get updates are either when they are on t he verge of Kikestarter shutting them down or another 1k "limited edition" digital ship is sold
and t he coup de gracie
>please wait another year, it'll totally be ready next spring
How do you cucks tolerate such obvious heel dragging?

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>>349082854
You get updates every week though. Do you know what you are actually talking about or are you just mirroring other posts?

is the game playable? no

every time that guy shows you nice pictures you people act like you werent fucking cucked paying out the ass for pixel ships in a video game that DOESNT EVEN EXIST

scam shitizen backers are delusional retards and Derek is my nigga

>>349083130
>You get updates every week though
I think he meant actual updates, not just minor bug fixing

>>349083232
Sunk Cost Trap

Just because they can showcase a couple of high poly models, running at terrible fps, doesn't mean you'll end up with a great product.

There's so much wrong with this whole project, but hey - enjoy the 2020 release.

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>>349083570
>he thinks they have enough money to continue this charade through 2020

I backed the game with a $100 ship but felt a bit disconnected after they kept adding top tier alien ships with ridiculous prices over and over again. I feel there should always be something you should work for, 'not having the time so I'll spend money instead' is not an excuse and not something you should build your game around.
I bumped into the livestream and I do have to say it looked phenomenal. If they truly can make this massively multiplayer with seamless zoning then it will be something special.

>>349081078
>There's even less to do on planets than in No Man's Sky

>>349080964
how much r u in for, commando?

>>349084434
5 grand

>>349084732
that's not me

>>349080964

I was sitting in my computer chair in my room

ITT: Bitter No Mans Sky buyers

>>349080964
Wait what? How?
The last time i played it there was some shitty bug that made the game unplayable run under 20 fps so i kinda ignored it for a while.

>>349085812
>'owner' of a non-existent product making fun of the owner of a shitty product

>>349086182

I already got my 30 buckaroodles worth of fun from the racing and combat modules.

How many hours did you put into your $60 dollar copy of No Mans Sky?

>>349086378
I have several days of fun shitposting about it on /v/. I got free from GOG.
>paying for DRM free games ever
I ain't no cuck

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>>349086378
>I ALREADY GOT MY MONEY'S WORTH

>>349086704

>cant afford 30 dollar games

>>349086173
K little update just tried to run it
It still runs like shit.
And when i try to enter my ship i start teleporting around.
Do not buy this piece of shit its a complete waste of money and i fuckin wish i refunded it before(now its impossible)

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>>349086834
>You think we really were expecting the game to be release
>we knew from the start it was just going to be like this
>I wasn't scammed at all!!!
>What, you didn't give them 30 dollars for fake game? Are you poor or something.

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watching the stream and being utterly impressed

whats the whole point of the game though? an mmo with quests? factions with raids? killing for resources?

>>349087213
>whats the whole point of the game though? an mmo with quests? factions with raids? killing for resources?
He doesn't know.

>>349087213

Like all space games it's a grind for bigger better ships. Start out in a tiny shit ship (unless you donated a million dollars) then do shitty trade/combat missions to get a less shitty ship or interact in some way with players (trade/combat), rinse and repeat 1000x times till you get sick of the game.

I look forward to it. and so do all these haters

>>349087513
So it's basically an MMO but one where you can buy your way to the top?

>>349087513
what is there to stop from being a boring lifeless piece of shit like Elite Dangerous?

>>349087656

Pretty much, right now you can buy ships for real dollarydoos, when games released you can only buy with ingame buckaroos.

>>349087753

Nothing I think. It just seems like theres a bit more to do, such as walking around space stations with your bros and boarding ships and stuff.

I have no doubt in my mind most people will get bored of it in the 1st few weeks.

>>349087769
>when games released you can only buy with ingame buckaroos
I honestly doubt they'll keep this promise.
They gain literally nothing by doing it.

>>349087213
There's 2 sides to the game: Squadron 42 and Star Citizen

Squadron 42 is a single player game with focus on adventure, feeling like a hero and storytelling. Star Citizen is the online sandbox where people can fuck around and do whatever they want.

>>349083915
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a white muslim woman.

>>349088210

I know 2 white american women with christian families who became muslims.

Pretty weird. I had to try really hard not to laugh in her face the 1st time i saw her wearing 1 of them headwrap things

>>349087962
oh man people actually think they'll release Squadron 42 as well
I completely forgot about this meme

I will admit the demo looked very impressive and didn't seem scripted for the most part.

I still have doubts they can stabilize the crashes and implement a proper economy and NPC police system in their multiplayer sandbox though.

>>349087753
It's a sandbox, there's no "final goal" to work towards so you have to set your own goal.

There's the standard progression though, get better guns and ships. Other people might want to amass enough wealth to buy a space station. Others might want to start up a factory empire. Guilds might want to get and hold the biggest ships possible (large capital ships persist in the universe, regardless of whether its owners and crew are online which mean they need defence 24/7)

>>349088343
>I had to try really hard not to laugh in her face
Why didn't you laugh at their face. Someone that submissive and stupid probably wouldn't even get upset.

>>349088471
You didn't answer my question though, what is there to stop it from becoming as boring and lifeless as Elite Dangerous.

>>349088394

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vRE6LtYBHg

I can taste your tears

>>349080964
>is the game playable? no
Yes you fucktard. Since 2.0 updare you can wander around hub like port Olisar, mess around with guns and drive ship to figth against AI. There's also random mission and bounty hunter contract. Are you just parroting shit or are you actually following updates?

>>349088580
You can actually exit your ship and do all kinds of shit like steal other people's ships?

That alone gives it more to do than E:D

>>349088637
Hey buddy can you give me a release date?

>>349088580
Multi-crew ships for a start, flying with your friends in the same ship is much more enjoyable.

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>>349088343
That's pretty sexy tbqh. Muslim women are cute.

>>349088745
>No look were already in preAlpha

Come on man just stop

>>349088947

Like all good games: When it's done

I know you love EA and Activision titles with their on time release dates right before Christmas

8^)

>>349081078
that looks as barren and boring as exploring the IRL moon, i pray that that is in no way representative of the full game

>>349088764
Well E:D actually got some new things last update. Pretty sure you can land on planets and exit your ship. And multi-crew is supposedly upcoming on Horizons as well.
And yet all those new features can't save a game from being completely lifeless and boring.

Wasn't this game supposed to be done 2 years ago? What the fuck is going on?

>>349089195
So it's very unlikely to ever be released and it will probably play like absolute shit just like the main game if it does.
Right, was just checking.

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>>349080964
Oh shit did it finally come ou-- oh you're shitposting.

>>349089221

Your prayers will not be answered. All the planets are just gonna be lifeless hunks of rock with some scattered bases and randomly generated missions. Maybe some resource mounds 1000kilmeteres apart

>>349089374
see >>349089195
People who spent money on it still doing damage control and lying to themselves that it's going to be great.
NMS will be nothing compared to when this piece of shit is 'released' or when the company goes broke.

>>349089413
>unlikely to ever be released

Like I said I can taste your tears

>>349089476
so... just like NMS took elite and said "lets do this, but more boring with less content" star citizen plans on doing the same?

>>349089586
Why? If they ever show any sign of progress in developing this I can just buy it for the exact same price as you before the release.

>>349089693

I dont know if you realize this but every planet in the known universe is a lifeless hunk of rock

>>349089790
Yeah but I didn't pay for them.

>>349089070
I hate the arab nose, too jewish looking. Plus arabs smell like spiced shit one and all

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>>349089070
This nigga knows what's up.

>>349089720
>exact same price as you

Nope, got it for 30 bucks. And did you miss what all these threads were about? its the progress

>>349089898
>its the progress
whatever helps you sleep at night anon

>>349089859
Arab nose looks nothing like jewish nose famalam.

Arabs are literally (or at least used to be referred to as) "Mediterranean Caucasians"

Spaniards and arabs are closer related than jews and arabs

>>349089790
tell me more about how you'd love to pay for the chance to wander around the barren wasteland that is our real life moon

>>349089898
>And did you miss what all these threads were about?
what threads?

>>349089993

>Shows the more impressive technology in real time infront of the world

>no progress

Whatever helps you shitpost at night anon

>>349090129
>Shows the more impressive technology in real time infront of the world
Where?
What amazing technology?
All I saw so far was a video that makes Nu Male Sky look good in comparison

Wait does it have a release date finally?

>>349090071

I would absolutely love to wander the barren wasteland that is our moon. What are you some commie faggot jealous of American moon landing or something?

>>349090240
>What amazing technology?

Retard detected. It's always the dumbest people trying to shit on new games.

>>349089557
>I actually dont know anything about this game
>I just shitpost for fun
>You

>>349090271
>comparing actual space travel to a poorly developed low polygon planet.

>>349090390

>too retarded to unerstand tongue and cheek.

I bet you found Mass Effect mako levels really boring and were happy with how they scraped exploration in part 2 and 3

>>349090369
I know it's supposed to be released 2 years ago, I know they keep adding new ships that you can buy from cash still with no release date on sight.
I know you paid for this and expect it to be the greatest game ever made but it's slowly turning into a NMS

>>349090360
So there is no amazing technology or you were just pretending this was an actual game and not a scam.
Why do you do this to yourself by the way?
Can't you sue the company for not delivering 2 years later

>>349090704

Im not gonna have the same conversation with another retard that 300 people have already had in these threads.

Name or show me a game that has more impressive techonology or even a tech demo that is more impressive than what is shown in the SC demo. I cant wait to laugh at what you show.

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>>349090026
lel, the average Arab is a fat ugly mulatto looking feller, pretty distinct from a Spainard, Italian, or a Greek.

Why do so many MENA shitskins desperately pretend to be Southern European?

>>349090816
>Name or show me a game that has more impressive techonology or even a tech demo that is more impressive than what is shown in the SC demo
Every game ever released has more technology than SC because they are an existing product.
Why can't you show me evidence of what you're talking about.
>it's not my job to educate you shitlord
fuck off m8

>>349090973
>Every game ever released

Ultimo retardo detected.

>>349090816
here you go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_in_video_gaming

>>349090876
I dont think you ever saw a Mulatto.

>>349090573
Show me who said it was going to be released in 2014. They just had the walk in hanger and Arena Commander working by that time. Its not anybodies fault you fell for a release date that never existed, so stop acting like it did. And I backed the game fully expecting at any point that it can fail, it still can. I am enjoying watching the development and fucktards on both sides of the isle trying argue over information that inst even correct.

>>349091059

Wow a webpage with a wall of text and links. We truly live in the future.

THIS IS AMAZING!!!!

seriously you cant show me shit

>>349081790
But it has multiplayer.

>Star Shitizen Defense Force spam
lololol

get wrekt fag you paid 20k for pictures of ships

>>349091159
Still waiting for you to tell me about all the amazing technology in SC.

>>349091302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GucYhhLwIxg

From the first 5 minutes of the video I see a game that looks like it's from 2012, pretty low res textures, very low fps even on the very cherry picked part of the game they decided to show, the actual space looks way worse than E:D, textures pop in all over the place.
So can you provide me a time code to this amazing technology you were talking about?

>>349091949
meant for >>349091454
for what is worth the ship controls appear to be better than E:D.
Waiting for the time code because I'm not sitting through a 50m just to confirm my suspicions.

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>>349087962
Then what is the "star marine" game they showed in the stream? Do you have to buy SC, S42, AND star marine?

>>349091949

Hahahah nigger you been talkin all this shit and didnt even watch the video everyone is talking about??

Jesus christ people like you are the absolute worst

>>349092275
I have watched the first 7 minutes now.
Where is the amazing technology?

>>349092237
Originally the game was going to be made up of a bunch of modules for the different aspects of the game
>Arena Commander - Dogfighting
>Arc Corp - Shopping and social elements
>Star Marine - FPS combat
>Alphaverse - Bringing all these elements together
They contracted Ilfonic to work on the FPS and Star Marine parts, but they fucked up so CIG skipped Star Marine and went straight into the Alphaverse. Now they're actually going to release Star Marine.

To actually answer your question, it's part of the alpha and doesn't require you to buy more things. It's supposed to be a gamemode where you can fight against other players and basically try out the FPS game mechanics.

>>349091302
Not him, but transitioning through multiple stations, ships, a solar system, and planet surface, all fully rendered and functional with zero loading, in a massively multiplayer setting, is pretty damn impressive.

>>349092794
>functional with zero loading
except we don't really know that since it's a tech demo

>>349092903
We watched the whole thing, in real time, played by live players.

>>349092970
in a tech demo
You don't really know if there won't be any loading in the actual game.

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>>349091302
Being able to stand and walk around on a ship whilst it's moving through space is pretty amazing.

>>349093092
The only load screens we have seen so far is loading into Crusader and thats it.

>NMS threads on /vg/ are now just people posting screenshots that would objectively look better if they were just playing Space Engine instead
>contrarian shitposters are trying to pretend what was shown most recently looks worse than THAT

Roberts is going to undoubtedly under-deliver on this one just like Freelancer but I'll just wait until it's out to really parade I'm right about that. I'd definitely even try to just mention E:D which also will likely be shit, and currently IS shit rather than Sean's Screenshot Simulator.

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>>349093092
Is that really your argument? I guess since we just don't know there's an equal chance of it turning out to be entirely seamless and literally the best thing ever created. There's no point in such a hypothetical argument.

>>349093123
on top of being really unrealistic to walk around without any issues when the ship is in combat and probably pulling some serious g what is amazing about it?
What purpose does it serve?

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>>349093092
You can already seamlessly transition between a space station, into a ship, into another part of the solar system to another space station in the current alpha.

>>349093405
>be entirely seamless and literally the best thing ever created
Even the in the demo you can clearly see texture pop ins so even without loading it won't be that seamless

>>349081078
WHY ARE YOU RUNNING INTO THINGS

>>349093445
You know that part when the shipping is going fast and you can't see much? That is loading.
Just because there isn't a loading bar doesn't mean it isn't loading.

>>349093123
Hazeron did it better
>SC glitches out when a vehicle goes inside a spaceship
>you could park a spaceship within a spaceship within a spaceship ad infinitum in Hazeron

>>349093406
>What purpose does it serve?
If you're on a carrier ship, being able to walk to the flight deck and get into your ship to take off is pretty important.

>>349093625

You got some full blown medically diagnosed autism, huh anon?

>>349093625
No its not loading. In the alpha right now, you can see people jump like that, and see their ship move from part of the map to another when you are far away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4_NSKB8fSQ star citzen end credits

>>349093625
How much RAM do you have anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb9p_xzaNjU
>the city of Star Citizen

This game will never deliver.

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>>349093406
>What are inertial dampeners

Looks like this fucking loser never watched Star Trek. Point at him and laugh. Fucking loser. AHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>349093406
walking to gun turrets in larger ships, etc. What's been shown is a huge boost that they are nailing the basics to exploration since it's 1/5 of the game play they are trying to create.

There's mining / economy they need to deal with, space combat which will be addressed in S42, faction mechanics.

The game severely needs more assets though, and the approach of making a sector of the galaxy as good as it gets before moving on.

Bound to be a lot of bugs even on full release, just needs to make sure the game crippling ones are out.

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Reddit is the biggest bastion of Star Citizen true believers. Checkmate. Now you faggots have no choice but to hate it.

>>349080964
I didn't follow the game, I remember there was some controversy, but I'm not sure was it this, or other game.
Anyway, this gamescom video blown my mind.
Even KSP spoiled space game for me that I can't play games without orbit mechanics, but I would love to try this star citizen in multi.
Though it all depends on content as missions, ships, weapons, upgrades etc. because level of detail showed mission had (cut scene, voice acting, character) suggest there is no way for many of them.

>>349093503
in a tech demo
You don't really know if there will be any issues in the actual game.

:^)

>>349094097
You're right, but they took on a wad of cash, people want to see if they will 1/2 deliver like all these modern companies, or pull through a miracle and at least get to 70-80%

>>349093123
I played an open beta that was free to play for a couple of weeks. My friend tried to stand up in a moving ship and instantly clipped through the wall into the endless void of space. The whole experience was sort of like a Gmod server, endless jank and 0 content or functionality.

>>349094306
>people said that reddit loved NMS in the threads about that blunder
>go to reddit myself to check (rev up those reaction images)
>50-point meticulously sourced post about a ton of lies made about the game, noting it's still being marketed on old footage
>just like Aliens: Colonial Marines

You're probably right about SC though, at least until it's out. Surely tons of these idiots are console-only and would love to keep playing NMS as well, though. Guaranteed if they had a PC and knew what Space Engine was they'd just be making their shitty space vista screenshots on a better engine.

>>349094553
>Playing Gmod

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>>349083232

But people have been playing it for a year

>>349086182

>Got game for free with the amd pack
>tfw this game is more fun than NMS in its current form

Obligatory question: What do you actually do in Star Citizen?

>>349095354
Same thing like in NMS.

>>349095354

Currently bounty hunt and missions

or just be a dick and go around blowing people up

>>349095354
Get rich or die trying.

>>349093625
when 2.0 first launched some reddit autist spent 12 hours flying that distance in cruise speed. It's legit.

>>349094241
>What are inertial dampeners
>dampeners
i hope you realized you fucked up

>>349081078
It looks amazing, but oh god the fps, it just makes me nauseous looking at it.

How will they ever fix it when there will be multiple players on your screen?

>>349095354
It's like freelancer.

>>349095354
Literally anything, like in NMS

>>349095045
It's not hard to be more fun than NMS. Just have a game that works with a mechanic that isn't entirely centered around exploration, and have a procedural generation set that is more than 10 items placed randomly together.

>>349095920
It's their fucked up cryengine netcode. Apparently they'll have it implemented for 3.0, but it's not ready yet.

>>349095529
>>349095354
I've put at least 30 hours into the game so far, and I only have one ship.
I usually get in my interceptor at the space station, quantum jump to SCP comm-arrays that have been turned off, kill the pirates, turn them back on for them sweet imperial credits, then fly off to do search and rescue missions, usually with a couple of other players in their own ships.
If not we land at the Kareah Security Post, fuck everyone's shit up in FPS, and lock it down, killing anybody else on sight.

Sometimes I try and take out the sector's most wanted player, but I'm not very good, so I usually get my shit pushed in.

>>349096014
At least SC has multiplayer already.

>>349096297
The gameplay demo could barely handle two people on LAN. I wound't call that multiplayer ready.

>>349096517

you realize the persistent universe has been online for a year now right

there's not a lot to do, but its there.

>>349096125
>>349096193
>Posts that are exposing the masterpiece that is NMS as just a worse Space Engine
>"discovery" is just a cover for posting screenshots of the 1 decent planet out of 8
>no in-depth gameplay whatsover, all copy-pasted from early access survival games
>you can actually DO things even in a tech demo

Hey guys, i'm Jack from Hello Games. Sean told me personally to ask you guys to delete these posts, he says he'll even post feet. Please do NOT post things like this, do you guys want a free PS4 and a copy of the game (signed by us of course!) maybe?

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>>349096517
You can see other players and they can see you, Sean.

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>>349091454
>pack of manchildren howling and hollering like apes in the background because of a video game

wew

I will never understand why people obsess so much over games like SC and NMS. If you want to explore the vast nothingness that is space, your time and resources could probably be better spent in getting on to some of the first "commercial" space flights that are invariably coming in the next decade or so.

At least make it like Zone of the Enders where you get some badass mecha.

>>349096193
Cont.
https://youtu.be/_jyGoubaNNM
This video shows a good chunk of what one can do so far. He shows off the different modes first, and then the main game, the Persistent Universe, 39 minutes in.

Also, multi-crew is damn fun, and I can't wait for boarding, but it's all pretty buggy, so often you'll get ejected from a turet, right into the void, lightyears away from anything.
Having said that, I can't wait until proper boarding is implemented, to sneak cap people's ships.

>>349091454
>Laser guns have recoil
>Sound in space
>That terrible, janky fps section with pop-in out the whazoo

Really now?

>>349089221
That's because it was a literal moon.

Watch the whole video, they fly down to a different planet with a huge base in an abandoned mine, with it's own bazaar, comfy as fuck. There will be dozens of these.

>>349096517
>He doesn't know you can have 24 people in an instance right now.
>laughinggirls.jpeg

>>349096967

>Laser guns are like laser pointers
>no sound
>Reasonable

Aside from the last point the game you want sounds terrible desu

>>349097125
what is your IQ

>>349097120
>24 people
>Thinks this is acceptable after all the fucking time

really now

>>349097287

High enough to realize people don't play videogames for realism.

Does this game still have a release date of sometime before the heat death of the universe? I'm still relishing the schadenfreude of No Man's Sky fucking nosediving, I need to plan for the next one.

>>349097287
Not that guy, but could you point me to a space game that has zero sound during space travel or combat; Or lasers/other weapons not making noise or never having other restrictions (maybe not specifically recoil) like modern weaponry despite being lasers?

>>349096967
>Recoil
Apparently they're "energy" rifles, whatever the fuck that means. I find it lame too, which is why I stick to old fashioned ballistic ammunition, even on my spaceship.
>Sound in space
Yeah, that's pretty dumb, but the devs have said it has something to do with ships simulating the sound around them or someshit. Ships that get too damaged or lose power won't let you hear shit. So they say. The EVA suits letting you hear is straight up dumb, though. Hope they fix it.
>Janky
Janky.

That's my half-shill. Those bother me, but they have bigger fish to fry and more important issues to fix, like being catapulted out of ships at mach-3, or not having a body. Bugs in that sort which happen more than they should.

>>349097470
You do realize how autistic the fanbase of this game is, right?

It's just seems that they have stockholm syndrome on overdrive with it

>>349097435
theyre using basically stock cryengine netcode with a 64bit universe, its a miracle even 4 people can play together

>>349097470
Not him but isn't the entire simulator genre one big "Make it as real as possible" design?

>>349097435
Sorry I forgot you just heard about this game. Hows it feel to be a newfag.

>>349097569
>Sound in space
>Yeah, that's pretty dumb.
easy fix: volume 0

>>349097603
>w-well I don't care b-but some theoretical autist might

wew lad I backed this game and even i'm skeptical but this is a reach of such length, that I assume it could only be mechanically assisted

>>349097551
>Not that guy, but could you point me to a space game that has zero sound during space travel or combat; Or lasers/other weapons not making noise or never having other restrictions (maybe not specifically recoil) like modern weaponry despite being lasers?

Nice goalshifting, luv. Wasn't this supposed to be the space game to end all the space games?

>>349097569
>Yeah, that's pretty dumb, but the devs have said it has something to do with ships simulating the sound around them or someshit. Ships that get too damaged or lose power won't let you hear shit. So they say. The EVA suits letting you hear is straight up dumb, though. Hope they fix it.

I meant the fps part where you can hear your energygun whatever firing.

>>349097603

it's sad as fuck. people have spent so much cash they refuse to even consider they might've fucked up.

>>349097749
So, essentially, now you don't care because it wasn't anything that came before (I.E. something some random autist you created as a strawman might care about)

Sounds like you have bigger gaps in your mental health than any one videogame could fill, tbqh senpai

>>349097513
3 years and 100 million more.

>>349097740
Have you even read the official forums? Go now and read them instead of putting words in my mouth.

>>349097603
Do you realize how autistic the cultish anti-Starcitizen fanbase is?

>>349097958
If you could post something that someone posted of comparable autism, you already would have. There's no reason to waste my time just because you have an addiction to (You)'s tantamount to opiate abuse.

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>>349097603

or they just enjoy the game

I was onboard with people like you 2 years ago when they have nothing to show for it, but the game as it is is pretty fun, if only it didn't run like shit, I look forward to more stuff.

>>349097662

You're confusing fidelity with realism

Space ships flying in and out of atmosphere and space motorcycles aren't realistic anon

Neither are turtlemen or lizard men

The people who want a true space sim are a minority

>>349097904
It's been my gripe with all the space games to be honest. But the time and excuse put into ship physics whatnot to make it as "realistic as possible" and then copping out with simple thing as that is just sad.

>>349097603

They have invested more money in this game than some people have in their own retirement.

This thread needs more on-topic shitposting.

Which weapons are best are they all ballistic ?

300fags need not apply. Except 350r. 350r hella-fine. Other variants are overpriced glass bricks though.

Avenger best ship. Your ship worst ship.

Don't talk about out of game meta shit, lest this thread gets worse.

>>349098138
>It's been my gripe with all the space games to be honest.

You are firmly in the minority, all science fiction has elements of fiction, this is rather standard.

>>349089221

Unlike NMS, planetary landing in Star Citizen is not the primary goal of the game. Planets are basically just another place to put bases and space stations.
It's a space sim where you're not glued to your seat. It's about space dogfights, large ship vs large ship battles, bounty hunting etc. etc. with landing on planets to add some spice.

>>349098062
>hyuck hyuck the proof of burden is on you

oh man

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>>349098198

Ballistic is always best and delta is better ship

>>349080964

>Where were YOU when doubters, haters, unbelievers, naysayers - basically the entire videogaming community - were utterly and completely btfo?

Still waiting for that to happen though....The sad thing is, I'll probably doing the same thing I'm doing now...

>>349090562
I don't know about the guy you replied to, but yeah they were boring as hell. What they replaced them with was worse though.

>>349097731
Ah, but I want all the other sounds, like my ship yelling at me not to crash, or telling me I'm out of flares. I also want to hear the glorious BRRRRRRT of my nose-gun, which makes sense since it's attached to the ship, unlike hearig pew-pews from other ships.

>>349098198
Its kinda sad when I like to fly my Mustang Delta more than my 320a. Waiting for that rework.

>>349098276
>burden of proof
>>349097603
>You do realize how autistic the fanbase of this game is, right?

Take your time, and find something even remotely comparable. I'll wait. You admitted yourself already, in this post i'm quoting you made up a strawman autist to even represent someone that would care about this. Here's your last (You)

>>349098043
it's a cult vs cult situation for sure, a holy war

>comparing NSM to Star Citizen

That's like comparing Pokemon to Dragon Age.

>>349097854
Yeah, that's the EVA suits I was talking about. Hearing/feeling your own gun is fine, but hearong the others is lame.

>>349089476
thats what space is though. many lifeless hunks of rock. its obvious SC is hard sci-fi

>>349096967
>Shifting goalposts
wew

>>349093406
Any sort of space travel would not work if g forces were in effect. Which is why a long ass time ago the sci-fi trope of "inertial dampeners" was made.

They nulify g forces.

Without those, any rapid form of travel would be impossible.

>>349081078
Does Derek Smart do anything these days? Is he involved with Star Citizen?

>>349082647
>Kokito
>KOKITO

>>349098819
He shit posts on twitter 24/7. Take it for whatever it is.

>>349098320
Mustangs a cute

Now that Space-Trucks are in, space trucking when?

>>349098819
He stalks Chris Roberts and his wife with religious fervor. Completely obsessed with "exposing" CIG to be a con.

http://pureplaystation.com/petty-developer-photoshops-our-mass-effect-andromeda-article-to-bash-star-citizen/2016/08/

>>349098963
>>349099145

Shit posts about Star Citizen ? Lol, I just remember reading the encyclopedia dramatica page about Battlecruiser 3000ad years ago. Never knew that hack was still doing things.

>>349098420
you can have this anon. theyve stated multiple times that the sound is a computer simulation and pilots can disable it to free up cpu cycles or for personal preference.

>>349099145
Man I hope Derek wasn't that guy earlier who stopped posting the second I waned him off of more (You)'s but he probably was tbqh and I hope he gets the help he needs.

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you cucks should try making a game that you can cum into instead of shitposting about ones that suck all day. all you guys do is bitch.

>>349090129
running at below 30 fps on a 1080 sli rig (or close to that). Ayy lmao

>>349099416
He has confirmed that he posts here on Twitter

>>349089221
yes, that's what 99% of solid planetary bodies are

>>349099265
That's what I was saying earlier. It's just not here yet.
And EVA still hears everything, so it's not just ships.

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>>349080964

>try the game because of free test day
>Infinite loading at start
>fixed by tinkering with windows services and need to restart my pc
>massive FPS drop in game
>Apparently it also happening to people around me
>Check leddit, the FPS lag was happen because of their shitty netcode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/wiki/fps

Also
>Using Cryengine for massive space exploration game

Kek, no wonder the game got so many problem.

>>349089195
If it sees release it'll probably be like Duke Nukem Forever.
There is such a thing as to much time in the oven. I get why you wouldn't want to believe it after spending so much but maybe you wont be disappointed. Maybe.

what's with the npc guys taking 2 mags to die?

>>349100116
theyve actually hit the boundaries for the cryengine and working on a custom engine based off of it for the future

>>349100301
Developing a new engine in the middle of working on a game for it?
Anyone else see this as completely ass backwards?

>>349081790

This looks worse than no man's sky buy you just can't see it

>>349100301

The thing is Cryengine is shit.
Making a massive universe MMO with it bound to create more problem in the future.

Most of game that used Cryengine always got critical problem with it.

>>349100116
They are not "using" CryEngine. They are rewriting the entire thing except for the rendering core.

>>349100442

The entire development is patchwork as shit.

Still, everything will probably get done eventually. Probably.

>>349100442
>>349100301
>>349100606
No you morons. See: >>349100634

>>349100634

That even worse.

>>349100116
It's not Cryengine anymore. It's Star engine.

>>349100634

He just said that though.

>>349100442
They never expected to get enough money to make their own engine, so they piggy backed off Cryengine. Now that they lots of money they've been working heavily on modifying cryengine to make it work for what they're doing, which they can do because they've been hiring all the ex-Crytek coders who made the engine and got laid off

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>All the trolls and shit posters not even knowing what they're saying is completely wrong

This is why we can't have nice things. Everyone jumps to shit on it even though the evidence is RIGHT THERE. I am in love with Star Citizen and don't regret my purchase of it 2 years ago. 5 hours here, 2 hours there. At what point do you justify the purchase? For me, it's when you put in more hours into the game than what you paid.

>>349100746
How? That saves them from writing a renderer. Do you have any idea how complex modern 3D graphics is? By modifying the cry engine CIG can already use an exsisting asset pipelines, tools and renderer without having to reinvent the wheel. After Crytek went belly up, they hired the original engine staff and opened a new office in Frankfurt. At this point the SC engine has little in common with what you can buy from Crytek.

Can you land on asteroids and build bases?
Can I mine resources from planetary rings?

>>349101014
>At this point the SC engine has little in common with what you can buy from Crytek
>After Crytek went belly up, they hired the original engine staff

Jesus fuck, I told you cryengine was a massive pile of shit.
Now you told me they used the original time who was making that pile of shit to make new engine using the base code of shit engine?
Looks at how the game workout now?

Don't get me wrong, the game looks good but they could used something better than hiring people from that piece of shit engine.

>>349100606

Unreal Engine 3 was end of life and not useful for a PC exclusive when it's main perk is multiplatform support.
Unreal Engine 4 didn't exist at the time.
Making their own engine from scratch would have only resulted in a longer time before they have anything to show AND an ugly as fuck game for the longest time.
Using some engine like Ogre would rely on undercooked, under documented technology that achieves traditional game techniques when they need to invent new technology anyway like their double floating point precision maps.

>>349101340
Do you even know how to write code? If you don't stop talking.

>>349101340

see >>349101390

They literally couldn't, please stop talking shit like as if there's a solution when you have nothing but your imagination to go on.

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They're going to keep pushing back the release date for this game further and further, in order to milk you autistic fucks out of your money.

>>349101390

I know UE4 was not exist at the time, I wished I did.
But that still doesn't solved the game problem.

>>349101478

I'm not blind you parrot.

>>349100932
Weird since they could bork even getting a middling okay game out if they spend to long messing with that.

Whatever happend to just making a good game then if its successfull trying for a more ambitious followup? Feels like they are going to endup pulling a NMS in the end, biting off more then they can chew in one go. I don't doubt they are working on it but just can't see this kind of mentality ending in a good product long term. There will always be something better they could add with onemore tweak, or onemore rebuild, ect.

>>349101278
There is no base building, but you can fly around in giant capital ships that function as your base which can be attacked by pirates and other players.

>>349101454

Do me having know how to code relevant to why the game run like shit?

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This game is shit.
Not just because is buggy (Obviously mad eon Cry Engine 3), but because the game has the wrong concept.
While it troes to be a good exploration game, it's just an space FPS game,with ships.
Buying a shi´is the same as buying COD or BF,with some microtransation here and there,and the rest is free.
Basically COD:Infinity Warfare with better graphics.

>>349101617
Oh boy, we've got an expert over here. If you don't know how to write a 3D engine in C++, you critique from a consumer perspective is irrelevant.


>>349101687
Are you feeling alright anon? I think I might have brain damage. The FPS stuff is for taking over other peoples ships and shit.

>>349101532

That doesn't prove me wrong in saying CryEngine was their only and best option.

I should probably also mention that the only thing that's gone wrong in their development so far has been outsourcing, which was based on hopes that people you hire to do a job instead of hiring them outright to work for you can do a decent job, but they failed. They salvaged what they could from then and them overhauled it so it was in line.

Also keeping in mind you have a high scope, high budget AAA game in progress after 3 years of actual development time. It not being close to release is absolutely to be expected and is not a bad thing at all.

>>349101537
>>349101687
>>349101532
>>349101617

>All this shit english

What the fuck is going on?

>>349101537
>Whatever happend to just making a good game then if its successfull trying for a more ambitious followup?
Good space games still take a long ass time to make, especially if you get a bunch of contractors to help you and they prove to be a massive liability.

>>349101905
Probably Derek Smart paying off pajeet.

>>349101806
>That doesn't prove me wrong in saying CryEngine was their only and best option.

Did I ever said that you are WRONG or disproved you?
I only said that CRYENGINE is shit, hiring the original Crytek team and calling it different engine doesn't make the game far away from running like shit.

Do you got something against me calling it shit?

>>349102049
I was typing this exact same line.

>>349101905
>People blatantly shitposting aren't very smart

The usual.

>>349102076
So you're here just to say that Cryengine is shit then?

>You are not allowed to discuss bad things about my favorite games

Is this reddit?

>>349101794
I am alright goy. The thing is, the game is not for exploration, it's just FPS.
It's buggy, and the graphics don't compensate the lack of gameplay in the game.
I pay for a 200£ ship and...What? It's just battle.
The planetary landing it's not worth it.

>>349102252
welcome on /r/v

>>349102256
>£
>Can't even speak english
This is why the UK voted to leave Europe and fucked over the economy

>>349102256
>The thing is, the game is not for exploration, it's just FPS.
>It's buggy, and the graphics don't compensate the lack of gameplay in the game.

You missed the NMS general by the length of an entire board, pham.

>>349102217

Isn't that my original post? >>349100116
Did I ever said the game was bad as a whole?

Mother of god, you guys are so deep into this game and can't hold a single critic.

>>349101537

What the fuck are you talking about? Are you implying this is Chris' first game and he should save his magnum opus for a sequel?
This IS the magnum opus, it got funded because it's a spiritual sequel to EVERYTHING he has made before.
Most of the developers are old friends and coworkers returning in senior positions to have the maximum amount of experience on board to get the job done right.

>>349102076

There's nothing shit about CryEngine at all besides how CryTek treats developers and it's support for it.
Which basically amounts to adding new technology, improving old code and documentating it (especially this last one).
But if you get a crew together who know how game engines work in every discipline completely, you can get shit done, and they have.
Getting CryTek ex-employees in droves to help is just icing on top.

Absolutely no tool is shit, especially if it managed to make something incredible at least once. It's just the people using it that is the problem.

>>349102256
What is your native language?

>>349101794
The thing is,the game is not about exploration, the planetary landing is not worth it,and graphics don't cover the lack of gameplay (Wich is FPS).
I pay for a 200£ ship and...Fight.
That's it.

>>349102256
>It's buggy
Have you never seen a AAA game in an unfinished state before? Optimization and fixing all bugs is the last stage of development.

>I pay for a 200£ ship and...What? It's just battle.
There is trading, there is mining, there is bounty hunting. The joy comes from taking two or three friends on a multi crew ship and exploring space together, delivering cargo to make more money to buy a bigger ship while defending yourself from pirates. That, or being the pirates.

>>349102439
Holy shit, learn how to type, you literal thirdworlder.

>>349080964
Play elite dangerous for dogfighting sim
Play Star Citizen for meaningful content
Play NMS if you're a child

>>349102427
Third world fag language: Brazilian portuguese.
Of a guy that learned english by himself.
Yeah,it's pretty shitty.
But that doesn't change the fact that the game is shit.

>>349102597
People just want space games to die again, then they can go back to complaining about the lack of space games

>>349102672
>Brazilian
It all suddenly makes so much fucking sense

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>>349102672
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

>>349102672

Why are you shitposting about a game you can't possibly afford to run?
Is this literally sour grapes?

>>349102568
Doesn't matter.
I ain't paying a shit ton of money on a 3D ship to have the same gameplay as COD: Black Ops 3.
(Not a COD or BF fanboy).

>>349102672
Why has there been so much BR shitposting lately? Are you the same chucklefuck that was spouting your Azoresbabble in NMS threads a while back? Can you even have PCs good enough to run SC on max in your country without being stabbed for them?

>the anti-SC shitposters have run out of ammunition so they just repeat the same shit they were spewing two years ago

kek

>>349102774
I know right?

>>349102871
How dense can you possibly be? Does FPS mean COD to you or something? You can't be older than 16. Get the fuck out of my chinese cartoon forum.

>>349082854
Shit bait, but now I have to fap

Reminder why this game will be garbage:

>Pay 2 win

You can literally buy in game credits for real money.

>PVP Slider

You will be able to turn off a PVP slider meaning that everyone who does mining and trading will have it set off so you will never be able to attack a cargo ship etc.

>>349102898
We just love fucking other countries in the virtual world.
Principally in games.

>>349083232

>is the game playable? no

Oh look it's one of those anti-SC shitposters I mentioned.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/download

Boy howdy look at that, a playable alpha build.

Guess the game doesn't exist right?

I hope you die in a car crash.

>>349103038
>You can literally buy in game credits for real money.
There is a hard limit on that. It's only going to be effective if multiple players pool their money. The idea is to make dosh of off big orgs.

I don't usually watch convention demos, but I sat through all of the Star Citizen gamescon video. It was too good, there is absolutely no way the final release will look like that or have even 10% of the content they talked about. Also have they forgotten about Squadron 42, it never gets a mention beyond a moving release date.

>>349103049
Can't pretend I don't know that feel tbqh, both in-games and out

>>349103000
Want more than COD or BF? I just giving the famous examples,but here we go:
CS:GO TF2 Quake Half-Life BioShock Doom Overwatch Destiny Titanfall and much,much more.

>>349102672
>self-taught

Hey, you're comprehensible, that's pretty cool man.

>>349103215
What kind of point are you even trying to make here, you fucking subhuman huehue?

>>349103157
>It's only going to be effective if multiple players pool their money. The idea is to make dosh of off big orgs.

No, the idea is so that "people who don't have time to grind can keep up with people who have a lot of time" but in reality they just want to make money. Mark my words, there will be no hard cap. Even if there is a hard cap it will be extremely high. No company would be dumb enough to put a limit on their cash flow.

>>349103038

>PVP slider
It's funny only shitposters will remember this.
And conveniently forget for the number of times the PVP slider was mentioned by the developers (as a "would likely try to implement maybe") it was mentioned more often that it only affects the times when you can be punted into a PvE or PvP scenario when both are an option, so preference is relevant, and not in places where only players are available, so it won't work.
Considering also the fact there will be 9 AI for every 1 player in the world the odds of getting PvE is practically guaranteed whereas the odds of getting PvP in any session is not.

>>349103038
I think this game is going to be a trainwreck, but at the same time I don't think people dumb enough to pay huge sums of cash for a ship/money in-game are going to be smart enough to notice a PvP slider. Strictly speaking, those online specific elements, and many others, don't guarantee anything but more idiots.

>>349103225
What do you mean by that?

>>349103182

Considering the 3.0 demo they shown was made from indev builds of what can be described as 2.6.5, and not 3.0, sure it won't.
It's already at about 33% of what 3.0 will actually be.

>272 posts in
>No one posting new webm

So the game is actually out or not? Or you guys just pretending.

>>349103305
They just said recently that the cap is so low that you can't even buy basic ships from your monthly p2w budget. Also what grinding? Doing missions to buy better ships repeated over and over is the entire fucking gameplay loop. Orgs are going to pay up because they want a giant Bengal and a fleet of Idrisis right away so they can show of their e-peen. But what would an average player even do with a Bengal? He can't even fly it on his own.

>>349103432
Or maybe they're playing?

>>349103297
That the game don't work, and they (developers) are focusing on mining,grinding,exploration, when the game itself is just combat and fancy graphics.

>>349103038

>You can literally buy in game credits for real money.

I love how you think in-game money is "winning."

>You will be able to turn off a PVP slider

Except that's completely fucking wrong. The PvP slider only applies to UEE controlled space and it CAN NOT be turned off completely. It doesn't work in lawless space at all.

Now fuck off with your disinfo.

>>349103182
They don't talk about SQ42 because there's nothing to talk about. They want to keep as much of it as a surprise because it's a story. That being said Citizencon is supposed to have a SQ42 demo

We already know shit like Mark Hamil's character dies in SQ42

>>349103305

There's already a hard cap and it's pretty strict.
In addition to the fact it costs over $1 just to fix up a ship in repairs from about 50-70% health, it's very clear you'll be getting commodities, services and maybe a few parts covered and nothing else with that money.

>>349089693
elite is worse than NMS

>>349103554
Listen here, you little queer. After you write a comma "," you don't just resume typing words. You use a space.

Right: Fuck you, asshole.
Wrong: Fuck you,asshole.

>>349103540

>A game where no one in /v/ got stocks of webm available and ready to post

Okaaaay...

>>349103538

>They just said recently that the cap is so low that you can't even buy basic ships from your monthly p2w budget.

Source on this.

>>349103432
>>349103705

If you want webms then go to /scg/.

If you want shitposting then stay here.

>>349083361
And the Star Citizen supporters are supposedly the ones cherry picking...

>>349103725
Don't have one. But its been a a really short time since I've heard this, so it must be information released at gamescom 2016.

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>>349103705
There's no point randomly dumping webms

>>349103725

Not sure about recently but since the option to buy UEC has been available it's been capped at $150/150kUEC total, and about $15/15kUEC daily/weekly (can't remember which).

Source: Actually paid for money since I had receive store credit and had left over credit.

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>there are people in here who have never played Freelancer
what are you doing with your lives

>>349103307
it shouldn't even be mentioned, and since they did it will most likely be implemented.
Now you get random idiots with a 5000 dollar ship toggleing (what a retarded word) pvp on or off whenever it's convenient for them.

>>349103412
Your numbers mean nothing. If you think the game is going to run on any hardware likely to exist in the next five years without a huge downgrade you're delusional.

>>349103920
Playing Freelancer because of how much I like it.

>>349096803
posting picture of Hitler on /v/
Wew Lad

>>349103764
>>>>/vg/152370498
>Only three webms.
>Most of them were from the gamescom demo vide

kek.

>>349104006

Here's an idea: Try asking for webms.

>>349103920
>tfw Chris Roberts is now getting credit for this game even though it experienced constant delays while he was in charge
>it only got finished because he left
>it was still missing content

>>349103951

And they just ran it on current hardware THANKS TO INTEL WITH THEIR NEW OCTANE SSDS!
Also I'm running it now on AMD somewhat fine, waiting on Vulkan :^)

>>349103939

At the very least if there's a guy with a high value ship/cargo you can tag them planetside and get your buddies to interdict them when they leave. No avoiding that, the slider will only help with random strangers.

>>349103361
I can understand you, it's cool you learned on your own. Genuine compliment.

>>349103920

Why can't we get a modern Freelancer?

>>349104054

In a slow weekly general with only 72 unique poster? This damn thread got more than that.

>>349104104

What do you think this thread is about?

>>349093625
To add to this: yesterday my "jump" abruptelly stopped in between destnations. I stole at around 2.2k km away from the station i was traveling to. I could see the sttion far away as a small and i decided to just wait and see if i could ever get there by travelling normally(my gamre had glitched and i was unable to steer or stop the ship)
150 mins later i was at the station.
There are no load screens in between stations, even if they are hours away the long way.

>>349104082
He still led development for the vast majority of it. And he was creative consultant to the end.

>>349104207

Clearly not any attempt to be Freelancer.

>>349104192

>This damn thread got more than that.

More than half of whom are shitposters. Who keep screeching that the game doesn't exist despite the playable alpha build.

>>349104207
I refunded when they started adding FPS modules and all that silly shit. I just wanted freelancer 2.

>>349104104
Everspace, my friend.

>>349103182
The game already looks like that in the alpha.

>>349104349

You refunded when they started adding shit that's actually relevant to being in space, like boarding combat and being able to carry a gun?

That's pretty retarded anon.

>>349103182
Half that stuff is already in, the rest of it we have seen demod elsewhere other than the cargo and conversation elements, aka shit other games have. They've already proved the hard shit works.

>>349104326

I was talking about the webm.

>>349104450
I refunded when the game stopped being catered to exactly what I want.

>>349104393

Early access, but looks like its worth keeping an eye on.

Thanks anon.

>>349104393
>procedurally generated roguelike
You didn't play Freelancer.

>>349104631

>this game is shit it has too many features!

Okay Anon I know just the game for you: Elite Dangerous. All the fun of doing absolutely fucking nothing and having no player interaction with the added bonus of having more than half of its promised features cut out before release.

>>349104664
Rogue-like elements. Not a rogue-like.

>>349104818
Why are you so mad? I just want freelancer 2. Add FPS garbage later if it's that important.

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Has anything been comment on by Chris or anyone about the early adopters? Gold ticket holders?

I was banking off of something coming out of that instead of dumping money into ships, weapons, etc.

Has anyone actually played the build or is this just bullshot videos again?

>>349104818
It's a dedicated space sim though, it might be boring but it's exactly what he's looking for.

>>349101525
They are also continually releasing playable builds giving more and more content.

The big one at the end of this year will finally tip it over the point where it has more features than ED, from then on it its just more CONTENT and places to do this shit in.

>>349104450
>new feature bloat world record every week

Personally I'm looking forward to the implementation of space grocery shopping and cooking along with the recently-announced feature where you can actually fill out your space income tax forms.

>>349104818

When people say Freelancer, they mean Freelancer. Not a completely different game.

>>349104943
it's bullshot vids again

notice how they made it look like shooting that pirate ship left a huge explorable debris behind.

meanwhile when a ship got killed on the planet it just disappeared and roberts is shouting "cut to player 2"

>>349083232
There's races, dogfighting, and in the next patch FPS arenas.

The alpha is literally, by definition, playable.

>>349104943
There are demos that feature parts of the video in a reduced form that run terribly.

>>349093123
>there are no explosions in space

>>349104943

Well it's the end of the year build using whatever they're at in indev at the moment, showing working parts of each mechanic they intend to implement, sans it working completely in the existing environment and the promised level of content.

It shows what they want to work is working, it's just not finished yet.

>People saying that UE4 would have been a magical fix to all SC engine problems.

There is a really promising game called Squad on UE4. So far the developers have had to rewrite the vehicle code and network code from scratch, and are having minor issues with floating point precision. This is an FPS doing <5% of what SC will be doing in 3.0.

Star Citizen is genuinely a decade ahead of its time: it really should not be surprising to anyone that they are running into engine problems that nobody has every had to solve before.

I know it'll never be done but fuck I want this to happen

>>349102386
>This is why the UK voted to leave Europe and fucked over the economy
Please, don't remind me .. don't remind me of the amount of my money that just went 'poof' overnight thanks to the pound taking a header to the concrete floor.

>>349104943
They demoed that build dozens of times doing different shit to journalists, it was a live demo that we saw in GamesCon.

Considering the features it already has, there was nothing that mindblowing in it other than the landing I guess. The rest is standard spess sim shit or what we have already.

>>349104889

>Add FPS garbage later if it's that important.

I guess you're not familiar with the concept of technical debt. See you don't just make half a game and then make the other half later. It costs twice as much and takes twice as much work to do so.

>>349104961

Which is why I'm suggesting it, so he can get bored of it after 10 hours and never play it again.

>>349105140
so bullshot video then

>TFW paid $70 back a while ago for an Aurora MR/LN/LX three pack with bundled Squadron 42 and 12mos insurance

Now I just want it to come out :\

>>349105235

In what way bullshot when it's not flattering and proves everything they currently have running in an unscripted scenario?

How exactly is a video comprised of bullshots if it's not fully pre rendered bullshot stills?

Do you even know what bullshot means?

>>349105320
Bullshot means "demo we built solely for this event that exists in isolation from the actual game."

See: Watch Dogs

Post combat webm

>>349105172

>Vague EU "investment" that mostly went straight to London and a few slow going projects for general public benefit elsewhere gone
>Immediately after foreign interests like US corporations invest to produce work directly

Cry some more, it's just imaginary numbers in the end. What matters is initiative.

>>349105424

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15451-Gamescom-2016-Details

Click on literally any of the twitch links for any of the days of Gamescom. It's people playing the public build and PTU for several hours.