The new control system has been around since 1999, when it debuted

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>>324342208
I like how people mainly complain about improvements in gameplay. Pathetic.

>>324342208
>>324342634

Samefag but I will bite.

People like their shit because they feel it is more authentic no matter how awful it is.

The controls were perfect for the static camera angles and gameplay. Up is forward. What was so hard to grasp? I can't see me readjusting for every single scene change.

>>324342895
I'm not the same guy. I was the first poster. Why ever play anything new then? It doesn't make any sense. This coming from a guy that's about to download and play the original. You can understand why something used to be good, and why the improvement is also good. It's contrarianism.

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How did they handle the REmake HD? Is it missing any features? Do they still have that message from Mikami for speedrunning invisible enemy mode?

>>324343484
It has nothing to do with being "hard to grasp". It's just stupid because with tank controls you can't move like a human being. There's games for the N64 abandoned tank controls like cancer filled AIDS. We can blame the PS1 for them sticking around.

>>324342208
lol tank controls. How babby of a gamer do you have to be to give a name to the controls of a game.

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>>324344593
>Doesn't know the proper term for old survivor horror games.
>Calls OP babby.

>>324344593
They were called tank controls because the only way to turn was to rotate like older tanks.

>>324345190
They incorporated a quick 180. Took care of the issue.

>>324342208
>started the series when I was a kid
>prefer the new controls

I dont know why you guys wont just let go.

>>324345762
>They incorporated a quick 180. Took care of the issue.
Doesn't help you run sideways.

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>>324344079
Yes. pic related

>>324346749
>Silent Hill always had the option to strafe, quickturn, move while attacking, etc.
>casuals still blame the game for having shit controls
>meanwhile RE used the same tank controls up until RE5

the AI isn't optimized to handle analogue player input, making it a lot less likely to be able to grab you.

only reason to use the alt controls is for cheap speedrunning or very easy mode.
this is a fact.

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>>324347342
Is this real?

>>324347871
"Muh challenge"-fag detected.

>>324347871
I can confirm this. When you make a character easier to control; it makes the game easier.

>>324348021
>I can confirm this. When you make a character easier to control; it makes the game easier.
Reminder that Toby Gard didn't like the controls in Tomb Raider. He favored a free-running style system. Reminder that faggots think they know more about Tomb Raider's design than the lead coder, animator, and designer.

I will be playing it the proper way. Enjoy cheating op

>>324347909
Yes

>>324347963
Game was originally designed to work with those controls. I don't see how this is even an argument. Free movement breaks the game fundamentally. It would be like adding jets to a nascar game, sure it improves on the movement, but you bypass the entire point.

>>324348182
Tomb Raider's controls were shit though. I knew that when I played it as a kid.

>>324347342
>betcha had fun

lol

>>324342208

I like RE3s controls.

They were still tank but they added in a quick 180 degree turn.

I didn't care for the dodge feature since it made it too easy once you learned when/how to do it.

I don't consider it artificial difficulty since the game was designed with this control setup in mind.

But since these days people want a smooth, streamlines control scheme they had to retrofit it for the newfags.

>improved gameplay

Those controls were in REmake HD and they were stupid.

>>324349042
>But since these days people want a smooth, streamlines control scheme they had to retrofit it for the newfags.
"These days" being seventeen years ago.

>>324349226
>Those controls were in REmake HD and they were stupid.
Explain why they were stupid in REmake but not stupid in Silent Hill: Origins or Eternal Darkness.

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>People in this thread complaining that controls make the game too fluid.

FPS games technically have tank controls too, you're all fucking stupid.

>mfw casuals can't handle simple control schemes

>>324349398

>fluid

Yeah, because having the movement direction change all the time is so god damn fluid.

>>324348021
This happened with KH Chain of Memories, too. On GBA you had a small screen and your movement options were limited, but in RE:CoM you have full 3D movement and most of the combat is trivialized by it because your dodge roll is way more useful than it was on GBA where you had to push a direction twice to roll

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>>324349567
So you're saying it will be harder to use these controls, because they're not as fluid as the tank controls in the original?

>>324349446
>I'm 12 and have no idea what I'm talking about

>>324349715

More like it goes from Resident Evil to Benny Hill.

>>324349303

>MFW I'm 30 and I'm surrounded by summer-children.

Winter is coming.

>>324349715
just more annoying, since you have to keep adjusting the direction of movement depending on the camera location, while using the original controls you just hold forward

>>324349727

>I'm 6 and don't even know why it's called tank controls

>>324349795
I'm too young for that reference. Plus, you're comparing video game controls to a person.

>>324349887
they are called 3D controls you disgusting pleb

>>324344079

I noticed some enemies missing here and there, but that's probably because I played the Japanese version.

>>324349873
And you move like a tank. I don't even see how it's an argument. Keep your thumb steady. Seriously.

>>324349978

>Nuh uh, they're geometric controls.

Go to bed you fucking child.

>>324349873
>just more annoying, since you have to keep adjusting the direction of movement depending on the camera location
Which isn't that hard.

>>324349396
Because this... Is... Really.... HABBENIN'!!!

>>324350164

>I never played Outbreak

>>324349396

>not stupid in Silent Hill: Origins

No one anywhere has ever said anything like this.

"The N64 port of Resident Evil 2 included optional 3D-style controls, which nicely demonstrated to all the people clamoring for them why they weren't used for the Resident Evil series in the first place; character runs straight, camera shifts to the left, character then begins running left, smacking right into the outstretched arms of a hungry zombie."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TankControls

>>324350374
>>I never played Outbreak
How exactly did Outbreak's controls work? Did they mimick Angel Studio's handling of moving while camera angles change?

>>324342208
The games weren't designed for it which makes the analog controls look janky like you're having a seizure.
The games weren't balanced for it so escaping is trivial, nothing poses a challenge since you can outmaneuver and turn on a dime which removes all tension and breaks the difficulty.

>>324350853
>Quoting the fountain of autism TV Tropes as some sort of authority.
That doesn't actually happen. When you hold a direction, the character will move in a straight line regardless of camera angle changes. When you center the controls, the relative position resets, so up becomes up and down becomes down again.

>>324350982
>The games weren't balanced for it so escaping is trivial, nothing poses a challenge since you can outmaneuver and turn on a dime which removes all tension and breaks the difficulty.
This is just plain incorrect. Zombies can still grab you. You haven't magically gained the ability to run past zombies in a narrow hallway without being hurt.

>>324350982
>the analog controls look janky like you're having a seizure.
No, anon. Walking slooooowly around corners like a fucking forklift makes you look like you're having a seizure.

>>324351086
I haven't played them. It's just something I assumed.

Is Resident Evil 0 any good? I've only played the first one.

>>324351086
>Run forward
>Zombie starts the grab animation
>Heel turn and run away since there is no delay to do a 180 turn like there is with tank controls
>Zombie missed its grab and is now recovering from it
>Run around the zombie and laugh
>Repeat until you get bored of a broken game thanks to a retarded control scheme the game wasnt designed for.

>>324351770
So you're whining that the game lets you move like a human being instead of a zombie?

>>324351770
Source? Maybe a youtube video that supports this claim.

Does the origins collection include any unlockable costumes?

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>>324351948
I dont have a video of this but playing the PC remake with modern controls breaks the game, the zombies arent designed around the player being so agile and its incredibly easy to make them whiff their grabs

>>324351942
No, im saying that duck taping an entirely different control scheme to a game without any consideration for balance is fucking retarded. I dont know why you retards keep fighting this point when its so obvious that this breaks the game.

>>324351770
>>324351948
>>324352335
I can also confirm this works, playing with alt controls is cheap as fuck

>>324352335
Who cares about "balance", aside from people who think a game's difficulty defines it?

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>>324352335
>duck taping

>>324352554
You are legitimately retarded if you think difficulty is an unimportant factor in survival horror games.

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>>324344593
>being this underage
fuck off this is an 18 board

>>324352676
>You are legitimately retarded if you think difficulty is an unimportant factor in survival horror games.
In other words, that's the real root of the schism in the RE fanbase. Modern RE games aren't "hard" in any meaningful sense.

https://youtu.be/lqUY_I4-qJw?t=7m

>>324351948
At 20 minutes

https://youtu.be/FZb0FKOTDDg?t=20m

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>>324349396
Because, you fucking autist, when you pass that threshold of the camera changing, your character will tend to turn back and go back to the previous camera angle while you are just pressing forward, meanwhile, when you use tank controls and you press up, you go forward and the camera changes are smooth with no problems. Shit's fucked. Also it broke the game since you could dance around zombies using it aka EZ mode.

>>324347581
This actually. It's only nostalgia beating the fact that Silent Hill had slightly more free controls than Resident Evil.
>muh survival horror
You can still make a decent survival horror game with decent controls.
Playing Resident Evil Revelations 2 on Survival without finishing on any other difficulty setting beforehand did it just.

>>324353554
>when you pass that threshold of the camera changing, your character will tend to turn back and go back to the previous camera angle
This is impossible unless you center the stick/release the key.

>>324352335
>duck taping
Do you mean duct?

>>324347909
have you not beat RE1 remake? fucking casual.

>>324352804
>in other words
I don't know how the fuck you got there you pseudo intellectual twat.

>>324353248
25:33 for another good example.

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>>324351942
>move like a human being
top fucking kek

>>324353862
>this is impossible

yet it still happens, it was actually funny watching these twitch streamers struggling with it. And I mean everyone, even fucking Carcinogen, a guy who has speedrun REmake and almost all of the RE games to death has said the alt controls are shit and there's that camera issue

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>>324353925

>>324353248
This guy doesn't seem to be enjoying any of this. He doesn't even take time to appreciate the art design.

>>324353970
I never played it. Planning on buying it, and downloading the original.

>>324354238
What? Are you fucking with me right now? It's a speedrun.

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>>324354346
>takes the bait

>>324354115
>yet it still happens, it was actually funny watching these twitch streamers struggling with it.
Because they're too stupid to grasp that you're not supposed to change stick direction when the camera angle changes, partly.

>>324354238
he's speedrunning it he's put thousands of hours into it.

>>324354102
Should have been a little slower to be honest.

>>324354102
It's like you've never seen breakdancing before.

>>324353248

>Showing a video of a guy who has every camera angle, and zombie attack memorized.

>>324354238
Dude's speedruns RE like crazy, he has like a shitload of videos of him doing it, so why would he care for the art design if he already seen it to death?

>>324354642
Have you played with both control schemes?

>>324354876
I haven't played it at all, but I plan on it. You make it sound like playing with tank controls is almost impossible. I like a difficult game, but that doesn't sound like fun.

why is so hard getting a physical copy of RE:remaster like holy shit and i don't want a that ugly ps4 cover with both games i have a ps3 and a ps4 and i want both RE:0 and RE:remaster i think i'm just getting to much autistic

>>324342208
Tank controls are objectively better.

>>324355032
It's not impossible. The new controls just make dodging zombies super easy.

>new controls are too easy
>old controls are too hard
just fuck my shit up senpai

>>324351180
There's a run button, you know.

>>324351536
No, it's pretty shitty. Almost CV bad.

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This thread reeks of normie cancer, holy shit. You "modern controls" assholes should get back to your shitty facebook games or even better kill yourselves.

what do you use for the tank controls?
>pad
>analog
>arrows

>>324356181
This desu. Tank controls are not even hard.

>>324356181
Jokes on you, pal. I'm playing Dark Souls right now. I'm so not normie I want to kill myself.

>>324356431
If they're not hard then why does it matter?

>>324356431
>>324356181
No one here is saying tank controls are hard. Just outdated and worse than similar games from the same age.

>>324356556
>>324356682
The game is designed around tank controls, they aren't even bad they are actually good. They make it more suspenseful which fits for a fucking horror game.

>>324356967
Yeah, but it's not realistic. I like to feel immersed in the game.

>>324356967
We can argue how much we ever want. Both are unrealistic and the comic strip with Leon running to the rescue while scraping of half of his head with the help of the wall is a perfect depiction how unnatural tank controls are.
I'm not defending REmake HD modern controls. They are just as silly.

>>324344385
We can also blame the n64 for tranny autists like cosmo and the EH REHH guy.

The old controls work perfect for this type of game.

Fuckings casuals.

>>324357102
>>324357245
Who cares about realism, the point is it keeps the game suspenseful for the player.

>>324357526
Which can be implemented in a better way.

>>324357102
>twitchy as fuck controls make me feel immersed
ok then

>>324357292
Not to mention retards who can't wrap their heads around tank controls.

>>324357626
The game is already finished, there is no need for new implementations. It was designed around this control scheme.

>>324357349
Says the guy who's probably never played a Final Fantasy game.

>>324355824
>CV
>Bad

How to play spot the retard

>>324357102

>>324354102

^ This makes you immersed?

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>>324357720
Excuse me, I didn't know this was a FF thread?

>>324355824
>Almost CV bad.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>324359359
People literally hate on it because they thought it was too hard. Only flaw imo was Steve

>>324359832
The knife made it cake though. Saves you a ton of ammo.
Steve could had used a different voice actor. Other than that, the game was almost perfect.

>>324359921
While story and lore was utter shit, game itself was a classic RE experience 101. Minus was the lack of backgrounds but full 3d has its own dreamcast unique charm and atmosphere that I can appreciate and enjoy.

Also I am starting to avoid making or posting in RE threads as much as possible. People who are too retarded to grasp the tank controls are starting to trigger me way too much.

>>324353554
That shit annoyed the fuck out of me, but if they fixed that, which is an easy fix, the new controls would be GOAT.

I like to play with the original controls because I actually think it's easier especially with the fixed camera angles.

>>324359832
>Only flaw imo was Steve
It's hilarious how intolerable he was in the game, but he was actually great in the book adaption. Hell the book itself was so much better than the game, and far creepier too.

>>324360016
I actually enjoyed the storyline, especially the twins and the face-off of chris and wesker. Hell it's the first time you even find out wesker is still alive.

>>324342634
Maybe they don´t agree with your assessment that it is indeed an improvement?

Reminder that there are people in this thread just as wrong as the people who claim the gameplay improvements in The Twin Snakes somehow break the game.

>>324360328
Story was interesting, but it was the first game to push the RE plot into "not really believable" territory. RE1 to 3 was fairly rooted in reality, shady corporations, mad scientists and shit. But CV really turned it to shit with introducing a comic book/saturday morning cartoon villain.

>>324360652
I never really saw him as cartoony, just absolutely insane, but rich and secluded. Not having alexia just drove him off the deep end. I definitely see your point though, well spoken.