>WESTBALLZ
first for /a/nime
Who /wizzy/ here?
>>324218501
who the fuck tells people about this shit
first for ARMADA IS LITERALLY INVINCIBLE
Melee only.
>>324218503
anime is esports, esports are anime
>GENEIS
Learn to spell retard
Another tournament for Armada
Wow, for a second there I thought Ally could actually deal with Ranai. Back to getting bodied for him.
>>324218545
dude he got beat by alex19? How did that happen?
Post more real foxes doing Melee Fox stuff
TOP 8 WINNERS
>ARMADA
>PPMD
>HUNGRYBOX
>AXE
MANGO SENT TO LOSERS BY AXE 3-1
MEW2KING SENT TO LOSERS BY SFAT 3-1
THE ERA OF THE NEW GODS IS NIGH
>>324218560
women
>>324218587
I can spell retard. Learn to use commas, retard.
>SFAT vs. PPU
>>324218617
>alex19
Alex was training with Mang0 for the past 2 months
WHO /PANDA EXPRESS/ HERE
MANGO AND PLUM LET'S GO
Where is scarflards scarf? Did he mistake if for a fruit rollup or something?
MANG0 IS KILL
MANG0 IS KILL
>>324218702
eww
BROTHERS SHOULDN'T KILL BROTHERS
cool this thread isn't going to show up if you search smash, melee, or genesis. gj bro
anyone got a link to the sm4sh thread?
>Plup vs Mango
get ready for mango nation tears
>Maybe even 2013
Holy fuck that was cute
/deadbeat/ or /pandaexpress/ ?
>>324218702
>tfw they changed the fried rice recipe somehow and now its gross
POST YFW WHEN BUSTER GETS BTFO BY PLUP
>>324218649
those are some of the least appealing dicks I've ever seen
MR R IS KILL
>Mang0 v/s Plup with Scar+Toph
>PewFat lovers' final battle with Phil+HMW
>can't hear both at the same time
What do D:
these icecream sandwiches sound like shit
>>324218560
No idea, but as a Santa Cruz player, fucking everyone knows about it. He stopped showing up to our college's locals because he felt uncomfortable, I think.
>>324218617
Alex also beat Silentwolf, he was actually playing really well this tournament (compared to how he usually does), only lost to Axe and Duck as well which are perfectly respectable losses
P L U P
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>>324218819
>>324218653
who are the new gods?
>>324218840
same stage too
i'm listening to both tbhfam
>Ally
Is mang0 happy?
M
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N
G
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MANGO SAYS NO
WHO /PLUP/ HERE
>Canada
Reminder Plup is the official 4chan smash player
>>324218984
armada
just armada
I may not be up to date but shouldn't mango be beating plup by more than this
>>324219019
only when hes playing samus 2bh
>tfw you will never have women literally stabbing each other over you
>>324219105
I think plup beat him last time they played
>>324219095
you've gone and made me hard. what are you gonna do about it, anon?
>>324219034
why?
who /gay for MacD/ here?
>>324218986
It's Ranai
The best player in Japan. Someone I could very easily see winning this whole tourney
WHO HERE
Mango looks like shit
>PPU vs SFat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEC7tPPKAXQ
>Faggots so butthurt their melee-only thread died they try to kill Genesis threads
fucking kek
>>324219203
fuck off
>inb4 smug anime post
i smell your entire game, fagposter, you're obsolete
PANIC
SHUT IT DOWN
fix the fucking stream for once jesus
>all streams down
did the stream die
Why is Showdown Smash so fucking incompetent?
>all streams down
I bet you guys are missing Gimr now
#WEBACK
main stream is straight back
STREAM DEAD
CABLE STOMP
IS
I N
Armada = Perfect Cell
Mango = Goku
PPMD = Gohan
Leffen = Vegeta
Weston "balls" Dennis = Trunks
Juangrybox = Piccolo
M2K = Frieza
Shroomed = Mr. Popo
The Crimson Blur = Hercule
>>324219291
it's literally just one person
the fuck was that grunt from scar
>>324219291
here's your reply
>streams down
FIRE THESE FUCKERS
>>324219293
just a big macD fan is all
>>324219352
GimR would provide one stream and put in his shitty half hour long ads
Xth for best girl.
Are there gayer threads than Melee ones?
>stream comes back on
>PPU won that match
WHAT
>>324218986
He kept trying to brute-force his way in which you can't do against someone who's not conditioned to be scared of you
>>324219352
Have you ever watched vgbc during a tournament? Those die way more often and for way longer than that
pewfat is so close last game
>>324219352
I actually miss gimr. Showdown has been complete garbage this whole weekend. I rather have 2 working streams over 4 dead ones
mango sweating
Everytime i see mango he looks trashier. What does he represent now? Fat american truckers?
MANGO ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>324219468
draw a girl, call it a boy threads
>>324219542
what are you getting out of this
a (you)?
How can a venue in Silicon fucking Valley have such shitty internet?
>>324219468
healer threads
>audio technica
Why does mango look like such a degenerate hobo? He looks like he belongs on duck dynasty or something
Is this stuff live now?
UNDERTALE FOR SMASH WHEN?
>>324219564
give me a link fags
>>324219604
>>324219542 (You)
what are you getting out of this
a (you)?
>>324219607
This. They even ERPd in the archive after the threads went down.
PPUFAT LAST STOCK GAME 5
HMW PHIL GOAT COMMENTARY
did he get fat?
>pewfat down to last game last stock
;~~~~~~~~~~~~~;
Pewpewu getting 9th, again.
>>324219614
scar and toph are reddit incarnate tbhfam
>>324219672
showdownsmash
>>324219468
reminds me of that image of a guy feeding whipped cream to anotherdoes someone have it?
Why doesn't Plup play Samus anymore?
>>324219708
mang0 has been fat for a while
MANGO COMIN BACK WOOOOOOOO
>>324219767
Holy shit Mango looks so white trash right now
PLUP IS FRAUD AND A GIMMICK
>>324219708
the only god who has not gotten fat is M2K. also leffen if you count him
>>324219703
How would you know if you didn't check the archive for it? Why would you go to the archive for a thread like that anyway?
This is FAR from over you fucking sacks of shit. Mangonation will rise once again. Our boy Mang0 is going to kill all these scrubs on his way to the championship and there is nothing you faggots can do about it. Then he will go home and fuck his 10/10 gf on stream for all of us to watch and admire in celebration. Expect a huge Mang0 comeback. I guaranFUCKINGtee it.
FUCK LEFFEN THE FUCCBOI!
USA USA USA USA
>>324219810
sheik's just better
who else misses leffen ;_;
>>324219708
football season definitely added some weight he drank way too much
Anyone have a webm of ice waveshining armada across fd?
ARGENTINIA IS WHITE
WHERE MY ICE BROS AT
CAN HE FINALLY MAKE TOP 8????????
>>324219890
the only thing that would change if he was here is that he would be taking credit for everyone who's playing like shit
>>324219890
only when he blows mang0 the fuck out of the water
>>324219912
why is this relevant
>>324219890
I actually do honestly. He has a unique quality of me enjoying seeing him lose but also enjoying seeing him win.
>>324219865
Because there was a lewd pic I wanted to save but the thread went down. Checkmate Sam.
>>324219830
thanks, anon
TEH GOAT
lmao what the fuck was that
MANGO MANGO MANGO
OHHHHH OHHHHHHHHH WHERE YOU AT
What was that stock.
mang0 flub into win
>that double fuckup finish
God damn Mango what the hell
>>324219935
does anyone actually care about ice
WTF MANGO
wat
THIS IS WHY MANGO IS THE GOAT
OH MY GOD HE DID IT HOLY FUCKIG SHIT
>colbol and plup with /g/ approved headphones
maan fucking mango
fuck mango im so mad
Leave Mango to me
>mango wins by accident
>>324219890
I do. He's entertaining whether he's winning or losing.
>>324219736
muah why is it so hard to find a link desu
>>324219890
Only because I want more Mango/Leffen commentator team
>>324220012
What picture was it? Show us.
webm of that ending pls
NOT EVEN MANGO BELIEVES IT
>>324219886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UzWDnFllRA
third round
I mean obviously Shiek is far from bad, but Plup made Samus look amazing.
>>324220084
>listening to /g/ about anything
lol, no
SALTY SWEET LET'S GO
LET'S
FUCKING
GO
ICE
we did it reddit
mango didn't get knocked out
man fuck mang0
HERE WE GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO
ABATE TIME
HE'S GONNA BREAK THE GAME AGAIN
>>324220138
he's pretty good, but leffen sucks against samus
>>324220091
>Hbox
What's he gonna do? CRY him to death?
No Plup ;_;
The only Shiek I actually like
can someone explain to me what a salty suite is?
>>324220091
I want armada to beat him then mango beat hbox for the most amount of reddit tears.
>>324220056
I do
I'm German
Oooooh damn we salty suite?
Not gonna lie Ice is a pretty man
>>324220265
Oh, Hello fellow muslim.
>>324220138
Leffen sucks ass against Samus, he has even admitted it.
MANGO NEEDS TOP 8 TO PAY FOR HIS CHILD CUSTODY LAWYERS
>>324220265
careful there nazi, we wouldn't want you showing any national pride or we might need to report you to the authorities for bigotry and hate crimes
>>324219890
I do becauseI actually like Leffen, especially more than Mango
>>324220242
me too bro. ;_;
>>324220287
That's right anon
>>324220149
but anon, who is going to warn me about chrome and windows 10 selling my personal porn stash to obama?
>>324220257
half-ironic grudge matches
LARRY FINISHED MR. R WITH A FUCKING 2 STOCK
LIVIN LIKE LARRY
ICE IS ON FUCKING FIRE YO
You think I have time for a quick fap before salty suite?
So stream 1 is gonna be Salty Suite. What's Stream 2?
>>324220334too inconsistent
>tricast commentary with scar, toph, and hmw
LITERALLY
COULD
NOT
BE
BETTER
>>324220265
hello my arabic brother
Ice is so fucking good holy shit
Who won pewfat?
>caring about salty suite when losers is still going
>>324220412
the rest of the matches until they hit top 8
>s2j
>vs
>abate
Literally who in the fuck actually cares?
Why do they even bother? This is the gayest shit compared to shit like Leffen/Chillin
>>324220408
sure. Enjoy it.
>>324220434
fat
>>324220394
>smash 4
>Nairo vs Ally
rip Ally, your random smashes won't pull it off this time
>>324220434
nobody
Nairo vs Ally to make it to Top 8
>>324220470
I'm feeling lolidom tonight so I will.
>>324220434
It's up to the viewer's interpretation, they did the rocky freeze frame ending thing
>>324220509
>>324220523
Mr. R has been knocked out
LarryLurr is in Top 8
>>324220467
leffen/chillin was one of the greatest things ever from start to finish
ALLY IS KILL
>>324220467
Chillin leffen was absolutely bullshit apart from the meme born out of it you stupid cuck, probably not even known about competitive melee before 2015. Fucklord.
>>324220601
My b
Well Ice made it to a top 8
Will anything ever top Leffen vs Chillin?
This has been a ridiculous top 64 so far.
>>324220509
>does random dsmash on a 0% ZSS and gets punished for it on hit
He really needs to pull it together.
>abate will never break your anus
>>324220661
Haha
>>324220661
If you're unemployed, how did you get pot?
>>324220601
is there a youtube collection of the matches you can link, my man?
>>324220536
CUM FAST ANON. IS HERE
>>324220661
that's what you get for being a disgusting stoner faggot, DUDE WEED LMAO, i hope she kicks you out
>>324220661
why did you feel the need to post this on a moroccan cartoon image forum?
>>324220661
Just fuck her man.
>Ice finally making top 8
you niggas have no idea how fucking happy I am right now
>>324220661
dude weed lmao
IS LUCKY V WIZZY BEING PLAYED OFF FUCKING STREAM?!
>>324220467
Hugs Nintendude will be good at least, actual salt behind that
>>324220762
Google it, it's not hard to find
>>324218852
god damn... poor kevin
>>324220595
I do
>>324220690
The only thing that could be better would be Chillin actually beating Leffenbut we know that will never happen
>>324220762
kill yourself you fucking moron
Any webm or oddshot of that last stock of mango vs plup?
>>324220750
dad gives me money every once in a while to go get pizza and groceries etc for the family. I always pocket 1 or 2 dollars.
>>324220661
If I could I'd let you stay with me bro.
It's fucking stupid in 2016 people treat us like criminals. I don't even know if legalizing it will help, it's such bullshit it's just a plant.
>>324220762
I dunno why don't you just type it into Youtube.
>>324220864
i want to rewatch, my b
Post yfw hbox takes 1st
>>324219151
That's an interesting way of thinking about it.
>>324220865
this
>>324220886
IT'S
CURRENT
YEAR
>>324220826
>actual salt
tl;dr plz?
Mango Plup nonsense
http://oddshot.tv/shot/showdownsmash-201601175584834
Is it just me or does this Salty Suite not seem very hype?
THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING
abate is a fraud but falcon is a shit character
Holy fucking shit this Nairo v. Ally
>>324220886
Thanks bernie
Anyone else want to see abate get bodied to his call out video will become a meme?
Where is the shit talking before the salty match?
>>324220886
>IN THE CURRENT YEAR
Why the fuck are we getting these family friendly commentators for a fucking SALTY SUITE?
>>324220960
because scar isn't onstage with a mic
which is a blessing
>>324220949
Anyone have Armada getting waveshined up and down FD?
>>324220941
https://twitter.com/SPY_Nintendude/status/652149228366467072
Just follow the convo
I'm a fuckboy
Why do you use the word "hate" that much?
I wish I were better.
I need to get this game myself...
vish is such a shitty, boring commentator
I hate shitskins so fucking much god damnit
Get-up edgeguards lmao
>>324221026
Link to the callout video?
wavedashing as Luigi is oddly satisfying.
man a Salty Suite needs guys like HMW and Phil on the mic
S2J is getting raped.
>>324221112
Cheers anon
FALCON IS BAD
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>>324221026
He's way too good looking and handsome to be ridiculed.
Best of 7?
What the fuck? Why?
They need to have more than 2 matches, and they seriously need to stop forcing a salty suite every big tournament.
>>324221187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dMKnBDaskM
I'm going to become a commentor at my Uni's smash tourneys. What do I need to be a good commentor? I'm white and am not afraid of cursing and risqué humor.
>have to hear Vish's high pitched girly laugh throughout the entire salty suite
>>324221187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dMKnBDaskM
Luigi is the most satisfying character to play in the game.
>>324221235
>they seriously need to stop forcing a salty suite every big tournament
this
Luigi is such a jank character.
Wait, this is the salty suite? Where's the drunk people? Where's the shit talking? Where's the hype? These commentators are so boring.
>>324221112
is this happening on stream tonight?
where the fuck did scar go
>>324221314
it's the most annoying character to play against
if you main luigi then remember that nobody likes playing against you
i'd rather play against fox only for the rest of my life if that means not playing against a luigi ever again
>>324220907
>MFW all these mongoloids calling hbox reddit
hbox is the antithesis of reddit
reddit hates him
>>324221314
least satisfying imo
I hate how slippery he is. Axe's Pikachu is my absolute favorite to watch
>>324221372
Smash only has enough salt for maybe 1 Salty Suite a year. They're just forcing shit for more content
3 STOCK
CHRIST
>>324221396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6U1l1Kt4s
Yes
This doesn't really feel like a salty suite
>smash community """""""""""salty""""""""""" suite
Just know we're fucking laughing at you over here in the FGC you chucklefucks
This is the most plastic retarded shit holy fuck
these commentators are fucking awful
>>324221431
he's literally done an AMA on reddit.I like him just because most of /v/ hates him to be honest
I'm a falconfag, but I really like to see S2J salty.
rip Ally, rip Mario
>>324221478
they're much too polite to each other for this to be believable salt
>>324221431
so what? /v/ hates reddit but /v/ is full reddit
hating reddit if anything makes you a redditor
sj2 sweating balls
>>324221314
False, Ganon is
>>324221478
no one in smash is really salty but yeah this should be better
>>324221484
shouldn't you be sucking Capcom's cock?
>>324221372
Smash's "salty suite" is really just an exhibition block.
>mysterious somebody
LMAO. they can't say nigga
>a homie stock
>in the salty suite
>>324221112
So is wobbling allowed or not? I'm confused
>>324221254
>>324221286
How is Abate so based?
WHERE ARE THE NIG COMMENTATORS
WHY THE FUCK
WOULD YOU GET VISH ON COMMENTARY
FOR A SALTY SUITE
He's literally the least suitable for this type of event.
Wizzy vs Lucky is on game 5
>>324221635
it's allowed but nintendude probably won't try it
>>324221484
>fgc niggers watch superior game just to "make fun" of it
>meanwhile smash players are content with their superior game
pathetic
>>324221635
Wobbling is allowed
>>324221484
>FGC cant even keep their threads alive so they have to go to smash threads
WIZZY TAKES IT 3-2 OVER LUCKY
So what's the salt between Nintendude and Hugs anyway?
>>324221659
which stream?
>>324221771
read the thread
>>324221372
The original salty suite, at apex 2014, was filled with shit talk. Good and bad.
There was real salt in the air.
After that successful event however they have forced a salty suite at every tournament, this is probably the second worst (the worst being apex 2015)
>>324221771
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>>324221484
Shouldnt you be watching KiT with the other 900 people
>>324221484
why are you watching the stream? don't you have a shit game to play?
>Mew2King vs Wizzrobe
Finally what I've been waiting for
If Wizzy can beat M2K, it should be easy to beat Nintendude
>>324221781
showdownsmash2 is the other melee stream
Hyuga Nooo!
>Abate
I just realized I don't care who wins this match
Somehow it's less fun when you're not rooting for anyone.
>>324221806
Evo last year was probably worse than Apex
>>324221771
read the thread faggot nigger piece of fuck asshole dick
>>324221806
Are you saying there was a better salty suite match than Chillin vs Leffen? That shit was fucking real.
what is even the salt between abate and s2j
>>324221814
Nah Nintendude has a pretty good record vs m2k.
If anything we're probably going to see m2k pick peach and have a 30 min set with him.
>>324221816
Thanks fampai.
>That one anon insisting all night long that Wizzy is a fraud and he told everyone so forever
What now faggot?
>>324221903
abate won a losers set because of an invisible cieling on FoD
leffen vs western dentist would've been much more hype. such a shame he got shine spiked by trump
>>324221903
that one invisible ceiling match a while ago
>Reverse three stock
MY DICK
>>324221903
abate got into evo 2015 top 8 because of a glitch and s2j was actually pretty upset over it iirc
>>324221843
Just giving Johnny some hope, anon
>>324221871
i really liked apex 2015, despite it being at 4:00 am for me. I thought the winners and grand finals were hype, especially compared to the rest of 2015.
>>324221896
That was entertaining, but if you saw the other salty suite matches it was nothing but forced memes and cringe worthy shit talk.
>Wizzy vs M2K
Wizzy plz
does everyone here like wizzy because they're also still in high school?I'm a jealous old dude
>>324222062
wasn't it big house?
>dthrow into death
Holy fuck Abate.
>>324221112
>those epic shots fired
>those two fucktards arguing about sexism in relation to Falcon being a crowd favorite and sexism in general in Smash
Abates facial expressions are hilarious
He literally says "ya" whenever Luigi wavedashes
>>324222001
>>324222028
>>324222062
Wow it's fucking nothing
>>324221806
Apex had EZZZ MONAYYYYYYYYYY and My B, EVO 2015 Salty was garbage.
Wizzy can do it
Who watched their MLG New Orleans set?
>>324222094
dat hair doe
>>324221952
lucky went to game 5 and the rest of his bracket wasnt shit
>>324222062
>>324222028
>>324222103
>>324222179
>>324222104
oh it was big house, by bad
>>324222115
>that player cam
>m2k handwarmers
should have went for a stomp :^)
>>324222115
he was literally just shaking wtf
S2J EDGEGUARDING GUYS
>shiek falcon matchup
fuck. Let's go wizzy.
Did they even talk shit to each other beforehand or was it Apex 2015-tier back rubbing
WHEN WILL THIS MATCH START
>>324222334
Anyone have a webm of him handwarming with marth, then handwarming with sheik immediately after?
>>324222115
look at his reaction here
http://oddshot.tv/shot/teamoxy-2015091425355777
>>324222223
>>324222223
good digits
>>324222404
They just went straight into it.
No introductions, nothing, like it was another tournament set.
>>324222404
Nothing before the match.
if this goes to game 7 it's going to be on stadium
and we will see a dozen invisible ceilings
>>324222115
Everyone makes faces when they play Melee except for fucking S2J
Holy shit Wizzrobe beat Lucky? That's actually super fucking impressive.
>>324222479
>>324222490
They gotta stop calling this shit a salty suite.
Why does Luigi sound so wacky in this game?
>>324222550
hes throwing some dirty stuff on m2k right now too
>>324222602
He's just a high pitched Mario.
Literally Green Mario.
PJSalt
I think wizzy is better than s2j
WIZZZZZYYYY
>>324222602
dumb frogposter
>>324222602
it's just mario with a -1 filter
>>324222602
ya ya ya
MY B
Why are Luigi wavedashes so satisfying?
and then no hype
when falcon wins
what the fuck
>>324222583
they should've just called it exhibitions
"salty suite" sounds like it's being broadcasted from a small hot hotel room with 50 people in it
These commentators are shit
>abate loses to s2j after callout
is abate a meme now?
>>324222761
thats how it started
>IMPLYING WIZZY ISN'T THE BEST FALCON IN THE WORLD
>>324222781
It was forced as shit by the TOs so nah
I'm glad s2j won but commentary was horrible and made this such a joke of a salty suite
Abate's b
>no black hypeman commentary
WEAK
>>324222781
Fuck no. Abate is awesome. S2J plays with Mango all year long and plays a better char.
>>324222759
nobody is watching, Im pretty hype tho :3
>>324222781
Didn't feel like a salty match, so no
fucking A bit upset Suite
>>324222761
Apex changed that but no other tourney can replicate those conditions so it looks awful
The fuck is M2K doing
>>324222749
He is the fastest charachter in the game when he wavedashes, it also goes like fucking 3/4th of FD
YO DID HE JUST WALK UP SLOWLY AND 3-0 M2K?
>>324222798
and that's how it still is, really
in other tournaments the salty suite isn't normally a scheduled event; it's just a stream broadcasted by people who didn't want to be eliminated so fast but still want to play
...Salty? They smiled and shook hands and walked away.
This is commentary is cringey and forced.
I'm just watching m2k vs wizzy instead of this shitty salty suite
>People actually belive Salty Suits
cmon guys. do you belive wrestling too?
Yay m2k
>>324222907
Winning
>>324222961
JOHN CENA
Holy shit m2k's Sheik is infuriating to watch
Let's go wizzy
POST YOUR FACE WHEN M2K BRINGS OUT HIS OWN FALCON
>>324222961
The Nintendude one at least has a story
>>324222907
taking the young, smooth, nubile wizzy D
>>324222841
>wanting monkeys to commentate
>>324222907
probably getting mad asian pussy right now
>>324222961
Only good salty suites are marvel 2 niggas at Big E events
>>324222781
I'm pretty sure it was mostly a joke match for fun, they seemed pretty friendly about it
Also they were still pretty close, not even comparable to Chillin being BTFO
>>324222940
It's on halt right now anyway... Nintendude plays hugs but has to play the winner of this to see who gets into Losers top 8 I think
>>324223047
he's on stream you tard
>>324223010
Fuck off OmegaGayga.
>OH - SHIT
lel
>>324223068
Canada Cup drinking games are pretty good too
>>324223042
>he prefers this shit
Is Salty Suite just going to be these two matches without any actual build up?
>>324223217
is there a more smug gif than that?
jesus
wizzrobe's hair is fucking glorious
>tfw wizzrobe will never choke on your dick like he's choking this set
>Nintendude is in salty suite and also the last losers match of the night
Which is going to happen first?
>>324223280
please let nintendude vs hugs be real salt
weve got mango commentating which is good
HE STALLIN'
I want to fuck Wizzrobe
ive been out of the loop since last year with the Smash scene
whos on top 8 right now?
is armada still raping everyone?
is leffen still deported?
is PPMD back?
>64 Salty Suite
>actual salt
>Isai
>people having fun
>no e-sports bullshit
>Melee Salty Suite
>meme battle blowout
>hugs and nintendude no one gives a fuck about
>e-sports commentary
>>324223394
I want Drunk Mango/Leffen commentating again.
>>324223372
Probably the second, this is going 3-1.
>>324223042
racism is an EPIC meme
>>324223354
>>324223361
>>324223425
y'all gay afI would a MacD tho
>>324223430
>https://smash.gg/tournament/genesis-3/brackets/10617/3860/15833
>Yes
>Yes
>Yes
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>324223515
you are the actual gay
>>324223280
Looks like it. This shit needs to be retired, the Melee scene is way too nice now.
Hell, the Smash 4 scene would have pulled off a better salty suit. The Genesis team literally had to ask Abate to star in a trailer when he probably didn't give a shit and neither did S2J.
LOL they canceled the 2nd match wtf
gay
>canceled
Nintendude with the johns
NICE TOURNAMENT MELEEFAGS
>Wizzy so good he destroys the fucking schedule
Based
also these TO's look gay af
what is the reason for cancellation? I'm watching at work with no sound
>gotta leave quickly
Of course. All the fucking time with these venues.
>m2ks face after than chain
>that chain through the tree on Stadium
why does smash always have the WORST venues ever lol?
>>324223707
Because he is winning
>hbox does it
>lel fucking faggot boring fat fuck
>m2k does it
>lolm2k
>this nigger commenting
WE
Fuck, was wizzy crying at the end?
this sucks
I'd rather have had HugS vs Nintendude over S2J vs Abate
>>324223695
well Alan is literally gay
Its ok Wizzy
You can do it, and you proved it today
>>324223707
not watching that stream but supposedly they have to be out by 11
>>324223830
WUZ
That moment when there's no more salty suite and there's been two huge trailers revolving around the said suite
>>324223792
>with furrys
>shit stream
>loud smash kiddies shitting up muh melee streams
i know what you mean
>>324223607
what smash 4 salty suite? zero and nairo friendlies?
Did I miss salty suite?
>only one match played at the G3 salty suite
>still more entertaining than the entire Evo 2015 salty suite
>>324223737
What happened?
>>324223914
And the one with actual salt got cancelled
>>324223457
>Scar and Toph commentate just beforehand, Homemadewafflez on secondary stream
>have the least bantz commentators for Salty Suite
fucking laughable to be honest
>>324223914
yeah, what happened there? was it just a ruse to make the viewers salty? are we the salty suite now?
>>324223898
COMMENTATORS
I would like to have Wizzy kneel in front of me and take my cock into her mouth while I hold onto her hair and fuck her face till her slobber runs down her chin and tears down her cheeks as she chokes on my dick then gags my cum down her throat.
One day
I don't know anything that goes on in this scene, who the fuck any of these guys are, what the fuck they're doing in the game and what the stakes are.
But I do know I wanna fuck that long haired kid with the glasses.
>>324223953
I wouldn't say you missed it
LGTSS
>UNIONS
>>324223953
everyone did
spoonfeed me on what the salt with nintendude is
I get the s2j invis ceiling, but what's this story
wonder if M2K will go Peach
>>324224023
post
>>324224057
SCROLL UP NIGGA
WAIT
WHAT IF
WHAT IF
THE SALTY SUITE
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ALL OF US BEING SALTY AND EVERYONE IN THE VENUE ARE JUST LAUGHING AT US
>>324224057
read the fucking thread
Well the salty suite did its job. I am pretty salty at it now
>>324223935
Vinnie vs Ally would be a good one considering Vinnie is saltier than the entire Melee scene combined.
>Stayed up till nearly 7AM for this shit
why
>>324224090
gotcha senpai i see it >>324221112
>>324224120
cry more
>>324224083
It was cancelled
Say what you want about Salty Suites, but Apex 2015's alone was enough to warrant it.
Since when did M2K play Peach?
>>324224215
ay lmao
what was planned though?
>>324219614
the ath-m50 meme originated from a shitposter on /g/ going nuclear in headphone threads
>the more you know
>>324224008
>her
I want wizzrobe to choke on my dick until he passes out red in the face and I cum down his throat desu
>>324224229
Exclusively for Ice Climbers.
>>324224229
He plays everybody but obviously only a few are shown for the sake of competition.
>>324224229
Since IC
>>324224224
Apex 2015 salty suite was godlike. I'm afraid we'll never see one as good. I was hoping this would be it.
>>324224229
years ago
>>324224229
>Some chucklefuck asks this every time he fights ICs
Nobody tell him.
>>324224229
Only for the ICs matchup.
>>324223280
>>324223607
>>324223394
>>324223935
The only actual salt in these salty suites were Chillin and Leffen and maybe Leffen and SFAT. Salty suites have always been glorified exhibitions.
I honestly wish they'd just stop calling them salty suites.
m2k picking peach against nintendude and winning is hilarious to me
>>324224297
>he
why is peach so good against IC?
looks like she's really good at separating them, but what else?
>>324224229
It's his new main
>>324224360
or maybe people should just stop getting worked up over the dudes not hating each other
>>324224383
Down smash to separate, float
>>324224383
>lold-smash
>>324224383
she has good combos on them
>>324224383
separating them is how you demolish icies, also she can hover so no grabs in neutral
>you still got two more games to go f a m
>twitch chat super salty over wobbling
Is this fucking 2013?
>>324224360
Leffen and SFAT was just a money match.
APEX 2014 Salty Suite was godlike. Had actual salt. The first $1000 money match with a random getting fucked by Tafokints because Tafokints didn't rank him.
how does nintendude do that nana blizzard desynch?
>game 1 wobbling popoff
what a faggot, would've loved to see his shit get stuffed by hugs
>>324224383
Hard to grab. She can float diagonally above them where it's really hard for them to challenge her. Can't be gimped.
>Wizzy will never dress up like a maid for you
>>324224383
fair is very good on their shield
>>324224448
its cause back in the day, there was actual beef between smashers.
after 15 years of playing together that shit stops really mattering until someone like leffen comes along and stirs the pot.
>>324224491
you know f a m isn't some secret club meme right? it was pavement ape speak to begin with
>pop after one game
what is this, hbox?
>>324224360
>Guys they don't want to literally kill each other it's not possible to have beef
>>324224512
QUIT BRO
>>324224562
>>324224552
>>324224460
>>324224468
>>324224469
>>324224483
thanks f a m
>>324224505
There will always be people that get cucked in pools by a wobbling IC
>>324224276
What happened?
>>324224578
You'd pop off too if you won a game against your matchup at such high-level play.
>>324224363
>winning
There's literally nothing wrong with wobbling.
>>324224643
if they get wobbled in pools they wouldn't have done good otherwise t b h
What's Mango's problem?
>>324224727
its cheesy bullshit m8
>>324224258
S2J Abate showmatch back from the invisible ceiling glitch that lost S2J top 8. It happened, S2J won 4-2
Other was Hugs and Nintendude based on twitter drama of Hugs saying Nintendude can only win by wobbling. Nintendude wanted a $100 money match but Hugs would only agree if wobbling was allowed. This is the match with actual salt and got cut because Nintendude is actually doing good and is still playing, leading to time constraints cancelling it
>>324224730
But it's way easier to just blame wobbling instead of admitting you are a scrub
>>324224736
Alcoholism mostly.
>>324224782
so is pressing down and b at the same time as fox
>>324224720
He was winning when I posted. Also it's probably going to be 1-1 now.
>>324224797
>Literally two matches, one based on a meme
???
>>324224727
It's kind of lame, I mean yeah its allowed, but fuck if its just a grab and poor programming from then on out.
>>324224736
His girlfriend stabbed a pornstar
>>324224814
No, I mean why is he so shit recently
>>324224782
So it's literally everything about the shine.
>>324224829
its cheesy bullshit that any idiot can use effectively*
>>324224782
Marth chain grabs are way more lame and requires way less technical skill
>>324224870
Yeah it's pretty disappointing
>>324224736
Baby in jail
>>324224908
alcoholism explains that too
>>324224908
The shakes make Melee hard.
>>324224928
wobbling is actually hard
go wobble a level 1 cpu past 20 percent, you cant
meanwhile everyone and their mother plays fox and gets to do literally everything with one move
>>324224971
I thought the alcohol gave him power
>>324224889
>poor programming
>implying Marth's long fucking grab isn't poor programming
Melee is full of jank shit like this. It's fitting. Wobbling isn't broken, so why can't it be Ice Climbers's thing like how the shine is Fox's ridiculously good tool against the rest of the cast?
>>324224908
he's not really, everyone else is just getting better
Damn Sopo going in right now
>>324225062
he dont have the $$$ for alcohol
which means he can't win tournaments and can't get the $$$ for alcohol
a vicious cycle
I CAN'T WATCH THIS. I'M TURNING OFF THE STREAM. I FEEL TOO BAD FOR M2K.
>>324225042
>wobbling is actually hard
>go wobble a level 1 cpu past 20 percent, you cant
Maybe YOU cant lel, I looked that shit up online and did it on the second try, and it only took that long because i had the timing wrong the first time. It's easy as fuck.
>>324225062
Only in Losers runs.
>>324225042
>you can't
nigga are you kidding me?
you can mash out of it before 25%, but if you get a grab past that percent then it's just hitting A at a rythm
M2K might actually kill himself if he gets eliminated this way
>>324225164
of course i can you fucking retard, so you can wobble, go set one up in a match against someone any good
damn that feels good
LMAO
chat hates nintendude more than anyone else
I like wobbling when it evens out a set, but god is it anti-climatic when used like this
Ice Climbers looks like some cheesy ass shit. Is that grab the only reason to play them?
>>324225269
classic case of moving the goalposts
NotLikeThis
CRY2K
>>324225245
>eliminated
holy shit I thought this was salty suite
why is he peach
>>324225269
changing your tune already huh? good talk kiddo
M2K, PLEASE
nintendude keeps getting hit by fair
no matter how good the peach vs IC matchup is I can't imagine a world where its actually M2Ks best chance to beat fucking nintendude
>>324225338
He's counterpicking because he hates Ice Climbers so much.
>>324225313
>chat is full of a bunch of raging autists
not surprising
>>324225338
It's always salty suite when m2k is playing tbqf
>>324225313
He's got that chimp face that you just want to fucking punch
>>324225091
Well you see Marths grab isnt a guaranteed stock loss, for one. Kind of of a lame comparison.
>>324225326
>he's crying about wobbling being easy and effective even if you're retarded
>he can't demonstrate
classic case of retardation
>chat mad as fuck at nintendude when ics versus peach is a 10/90 matchup
>>324225313
Why do they hate him? What has he done?
Genuine question.
>>324225325
It's what makes them viable.
When will M2K go to the Doctor?
I always get sad when i look at m2k and see he only has hair on the back half of his head
>It's [current year]
>people STILL complaining about Wobbling
>as if Icies would be usable competitively without it
>>324225461
wobbling and not being as charismatic or likable as other smashers
>>324225461
Watch the game senpai
Watching M2K vs Nintendude makes me wish wobbling was still banned
>>324225416
And Marth is an all around better character than ICs, ESPECIALLY when Nana gets KO'd. Plus he doesn't have a nearly unwinnable matchup like ICs does against Peach.
>>324225508
They don't want Icies usable, they just want to watch more Sheiks and Foxes.
>>324225531
Wish it was Wobbles or Fly Aminati. At least they go for the juice hand-offs
Can M2K play every character competitively?
THERE WE GO M2K
As a Peach main, part of what makes her so terrifying for ICs is float-cancels in general.
FC-Fair into Dsmash is super safe even on shield.
FC-Fair into Dsmash is basically the mashup.
>>324225521
>>324225510
Oh, I thought it was some drama on twitter or some shit like that.
>>324225642
Yes.
>>324225669
>Having a main in a party game
LOL
>timing out IC with Peach
Ok, THIS is worse than wobbling.
NICE GAME MELEE FAGS
how can a match be so slow yet so intense?
where is new thread
HOW FAST IS MELEE
>tries to timeout
>gets wobbled
he deserves it
>>324225783
>mfw this is still more exciting than any tr4sh game ever
>>324225770
>still with the epig party game meme when Nintendo itself confirmed smash is a "competitive action game"
Hello Reddit.
>>324225531
This. This is such a goddamn boring match to watch. The only factor that makes the match exciting is the possibility of IC landing a grab, and even that is more frustrating and painful to watch than it is exciting.
>Chat hates Nintendude for wobbling
>Cheering for M2K to time Nintendude out
>>324225812
there's not much melee left, f a m
This set
>>324225770
Yeah, dual-maining is legit starting to become a must in this meta
MY FUCKING DICK
LOL
YEAH HE FUCKING zzzz
lol m2k
>>324225813
When you include things like wavedashing it gets pretty fast.
Serves you the fuck right M2K god damn
NINTENDUDE FUCK YEAH
what a rotten way to die...
as an ice climbers main, i feel empty inside
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
HE DID IT
>M2K
m2k fags BTFO
m2k on suicide watch
M2K STATUS: REKT
CHAT STATUS: BUTTBLASTED
SALT EVERYWHERE, WOBBLES WIN BULLSHIT MATCHUP
why the fuck did m2k not just time him out? why wait on the platforms for 1 minute then try to attack?
poor m2k :(
popping off after wobbles ok
BTFO
YES
EAT SHIT M2K
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR TRYING TO GO FOR LAME ASS TIMEOUT BULLSHIT
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUU
welp
I feel like if he had actually tried to win instead of time him out he would have won
>wobble to finish the match
This kills the hype.
what the fuck was that shit
what the fuck, wobbled to out of top 8
If there was ever a fucking case to ban wobbling, this set would be example A.
>>324225812
its over for tonight
thank god mango is eliminating this faggot first thing tomorrow
Press f to pay respects
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>People unironically think this is better than sm4sh
What a shit game. How do you stop yourself from not beating the shit out of a bitch that wobbles? holy fuck what a piece of shit.
What the fuck is wrong with M2K? Why doesn't he just play the second stock and then time that faggot out last stock instead of literally waiting to get grabbed? God fucking damn
BAN WOBBLING NOW
Fuck Nintendude. I dont mind ICs but I hate Nintendude
Looks like the Salty Suite happened after all.
M2K is an emofag. That lame shit won't work on the people that are actually focused. Check out how his fucking fraud ICs get eliminated first thing tomorrow.
>up 2 stocks against character who loses against you
>play defensively
>pops off after wobbling multiple times in one match
>>324226018
hi m2k
Just don't get grabbed
>>324225871
Tr4sh is not a competitive action game, fuck off.
>>324225970
Against peach I don't mind going full fag and wobbling.
>>324226049
because not everyone is an autistic edgelord who takes games too seriously
Welp, Mango's loser run just got a lot easier.
>>324226018
>We should ban wobbling because m2k can't win an 80:20 matchup
>>324226078
HARD KEK
>>324226018
why? M2K tried to time him out with a hard counter like a pussy and lost because of it
if anything it's exactly the reason wobbling is a good thing
Johns
>>324226081
This, Mango is gonna fucking rek him. Sad thing is that Mango in his current state would have gotten blown the fuck out by M2K.
>get grabbed
>die
nice game meleetards
>>324226158
>>324226178
lolm2k
>>324226158
>>324226178
lel
>>324226158
my fucking sides
>>324226158
https://twitter.com/MVG_Mew2King
HE WAS BEING A NICE GUY ALL ALONG
>>324226158
he's right, you know
>>324226202
>what is mahvel
>>324226178
is it really a John when its legit? I mean he had the match won (by time out) and chose not to
>>324226158
>>324226178
ALL THIS SALT IS TERRIBLE FOR MY BLOODPRESSURE
I THOUGHT MEW2KING ALWAYS PLAYED TO WIN
>>324226158
Strong johns coming out.
>All this salt over Based Nintendude Winning
Kek, cry some more you cucks. Melee is a garbage game anyway.
>>324226158
>>324226178
>>324226178
>>324226158
>Playing for the fans
>Not for yourself only
SMASH PLAYERS EVERYONE
COMPETITIVE PLAYERS
Imagine if Leffen or Hbox made a tweet like this.
>>324226130
You're a faggot.
This was actually disgusting. Who thinks this is any fun to watch? Why is a method where you can insta-kill a stock for free still allowed?
armada is poised to take this
everyone else is getting upset hard or just in general not at the top of their game
>all these new people who probably too new to even call themselves doc kiddies complaining about wobbling in the peach vs ICs matchup.
>>324226158
M2K no longer fights for his fans.
>>324226257
are you referring to marvel 3?
also a shit game
>>324226293
to be honest leffen's johns are (or were) worse
literally controller johns
>>324226158
>>324226178
>>324226232
LMAO
everyone was waiting for the post game tweet
>>324226252
>playing peach against ice climbers
>for the crowd
m2k pls go
>>324226130
>not everyone is an autistic edgelord who takes games too seriously
Not sure if you're being ironic or not, but you're talking about the literally autistic person (M2K is a self-confirmed aspie) who plays the game for a living.
>Jason Zimmerman @MVG_Mew2King 57 seconds ago
>But ive learned today that playing to win no matter WHAT is what really matters. I plan to play for the timeout in the future now.
PUNISHED M2K
>people fucking mad at nintendude for wobbling
>nobody mad at m2k for trying to time him out WHILE PLAYING PEACH OF ALL CHARACTERS
Did nobody see that Armada fucking bodied Wobbles at Sandstorm? A good enough Peach could've fucked Nintendude's shit up, wobbling or not.
>>324226167
did you even watch the match?
Guys, I think that last match turned m2k into a supervillain.
>>324226178
chat wanted him to time out that wobbling fuck
it would have been great
FUCK THE FANS YOU IDIOT. PLAY TO WIN. THE GUY IS TRYING TO WOBBLE YOU, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SURVIVE. HOLY FUCKING SHIT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>324226318
>armada is poised to take this
when is he not?
>>324226314
>rest
>>324226178
>>324226158
lolm2k
>>324226314
Because it almost never gets to top 8 for a reason
>>324226367
not stalling for crowd. playing peach because it's a counterpick to IC
>I swear im not lying.
Famous last words
>>324226318
That's just bullshit, it's just that everyone's mindset is still that the "gods" can't be beaten when the only one that you can legitimately expect at least top 3 is Armada, no one else. Everyone got good, this shit is not 2012 anymore. Armada is the only god left.
>mango gets a free run through losers
>meets up with hungrybox or armada
>will go out like a buster and go back to jail
Well time for mango to take it all then ResidentSleeper
>>324226278
>Melee is a garbage game anyway.
Helloooo reddit!
>>324226390
>in a tournament
>presumably wants to win the tournament
>doesn't play to win
>all these doc kiddies not even knowing how fucking free the Peach ICs matchup is
>>324226390
Nobody wants to see that gay IC shit in top 8 that's what playing for the crowd means
>>324226137
until axe destroys him again tomorrow
Winners:
Armada vs. PPMD
Hbox vs. Axe
Losers:
Nintendude vs. Mang0
Ice vs. SFAT
>>324226390
>m2k puts all of his 'tism into developing stalling and cheese tactics
M2K is so full of shit. Nintendude got a few hits in and he felt like the time out was going to blow up on him so he went in. 2 minutes is a long fucking time to keep away in melee.
It had nothing to do with muh fan appreciation you fucking retarded autistic sack of shit.
>Axe vs Hbox
Can he do it this time, /v/?
timing out someone who wobbles would be "playing for the crowd" though jason
s m h
>>324226384
timing out is a valid tactic, wobbling is just some stupid glitch ICs master first before everything else
>>324226541
Armada
HboxNintendude
SFAT
>>324225463
Except that they would still have hand offs with their neutral being crouch cancel/two shields and avoiding getting hit during wd, similar to samus, who hardly has a punish game.
>>324226476
>States an objective fact
Isn't it past your bedtime? :')
PEACH VS ICS IS FREE
HOW HARD IS IT FOR YOU PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND
There's nothing Ice Climbers can do if Peach plays correctly. Yet nobody is giving Nintendude credit for his Sopo against M2k's average as fuck Peach.
>>324226314
It's not about what's fun to watch, it's about what's competitive. When ICs start dominating tournaments, then you can start whining about wobbles
>Pick Peach specifically to win against ICs
>At the last minute, play for the fans
Pants on head retarded. Should HAVE just timed him out.
>>324226390
M A D
A S
F U C K
>>324226449
Hungrybox is still a god.
>>324226390
I like M2k but this is seriously super salty mega johns.
People think wobbling is some like ultra end over powered move but never think that ICs are actually a shit character and it's actually hard to get grabs when you're opponent is actively trying to avoid getting grabbed when they know that's all you're trying to do. M2k also played peach against IC and that's literally a 100 - 0 matchup
How are people upset about this? Timing someone out with peach is the ultimate bitch move, and against IC is twice as bad.
And before you say but he wasn't trying to, bull shit
>>324226629
Epic reaction image based redditbro!
>>324226412
Not instant. You have to work to get the opponent's damage high enough for the kill first, and it has a major downside should you fail to land it, and the opponent can get a revenge hit depending on how they're KO'd. What downside is there to wobbling?
>>324226639
m2k clearly tried to game the matchup without being good at the character
in the end he had no advantage
>>324226657
I mean he REALLY should have just beaten him with a character he's good at but that's a different story
based me
>>324226667
No, Hungrybox loses to not top 3 players all the time. Armada literally never does.
https://twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/688619521377198080
>>324226706
You have to play fucking Ice Climbers
>>324226667
>one win
>in PAL
kek
THERE IT IS
>>324226541
>Hbox vs. Axe
FUCK
Just let gf be anything but hbox vs armada
anything
>>324226608
>in a game filled with exploits only the exploits I don't like are "glitches"
kys
>armada 1st
>Hbox 2nd
>Mang0 3rd
...
>nintendude 8th
i don't know what else
>>324226541
>Armada vs. PPMD
Fuck man, historically PP's been the only American in the last year who can stump the Swedes, other than when Hbox gets the PAL handicap. I dunno how he's gonna do tho, he beat Armada in crews but a set of five is entirely different.
I really wanna see PP overcome all his medical shit and win, everyone is counting him pretty much like at Apex last year. He only got picked sixth for crews because people were sleeping on him.
Guys, take a second to consider this alternate reality:
>Salty Suite not cancelled
>Nintendude gets bodied by Hugs
>goes into the match with m2k flustered
>gets rekt
Showdownsmash literally caused m2k to lose.
>>324226760
lol
>>324226784
What game does he still like at this point? Brawl?
>>324226760
>>324226784
M2K BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
CAN'T HANDLE THE BANTS
CAN'T HANDLE THE WOBBLES
>>324226760
ecks dee rofl hehe the king is back
>>324226692
Jason Zimmerman @MVG_Mew2King 7m minutes ago
I dont think i like melee anymore.Then again, getting out by wobbling can boil anyone's blood.
>>324226760
>>324226760
>cuckfen
got cucked out of america
doesnt he have a controller to buy
>>324226873
SmashCon's brawl was actually fun to watch now that it's not at every major
>>324226760
>mfw Leffen paid Nintendude to sabotage the G3 Top 8
>mfw Nintendude deliberately allowed himself to face M2K and eliminate him
>mfw M2K falling to the Dark Side was just as planned.
>mfw Leffen is planning to slowly destabilize the 5 Gods and usurp their glory.
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN. IT WAS HIM ALL ALONG!
>>324226841
Nintendude to upset mango
>>324226784
I feel sad.
>>324226841
>mango 3rd
lol!
>last 40 minutes or so of the stream were awful and boring
>suddenly this salt explosion
I'm usually in the fuck nintendude camp but good on him tonight
SOMEBODY MAKE A NEW THREAD
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE AFTERMATH
>>324226873Project M
>>324226760
>>324226852
consider this one:
>Salty suite not cancelled
>Nintendude 4 - 0s Hugs
>gies into match with m2k riding high
>bodies him
>>324226784
>His smile and optimism...gone.
What can we do, guys?
>>324227017
Still laughing over the fact that everyone can bitch about wobbling when M2K deliberately chose one of the strongest counterpicks in the game to try to beat Nintendude's ICs.
>>324227050
He doesn't really enter it as much and gets BTFO in that as well.
>>324226852
>Hugs
>bodying anyone
>>324227118
Support a player who's not a manchild
>>324227118
i dunno. i feel legit bad for him, but he was playing average all day
>>324226784
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>>324226784
He said he's focusing on Smash 4 in 2016.
Say bye bye to another "god" from Memelee
>>324226738
Name a few.
>>324226760
Leffen is saying this because he thought M2K deserved to lose for playing poorly.
>>324227261
Why would he even do that? Sm4sh doesnt really have a competitive ground.