Is there hope?

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>>323955192
it's an ID game. it's probably going to be fun as fuck no matter if it's not true to "muh original doom."

/v/ just likes to think everything will be shit. i'm going to get it regardless.

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Damn, it looks pretty fucking good.

>>323955192

I don't like the demon designs, why are there so many spikes,

>>323955192
Hell is the absence of hope, so no. Please accept Jesus in your heart so you never know that pain.

>>323955192
That cacodemon is cute as fuck

I'll probably like it
/v/ will most like bitch about it endlessly

>people beg for halo on pc
>someone finally brings halo to pc
>people cry
???????

Level design and speed looks shit, so no.

These visuals + the original games design and a mix of quakes insane verticality would get my dick wet

>>323955537
>worshiping imaginary characters

It could do with a bit more color and vibrance.

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>>323955336
Honestly I loved the fuck out of Doom 3 and that wasn't true to the originals either. And I loved the originals as well

Point is this will probably turn out a decent action shooter, not exactly hella fast but fun enough for a rumble

Of course it will NEVER be able to be discussed on /v/, and the hate will leak to the rest of the internet, for real shame as well

I have never played Doom.
What am I missing?

>>323955336
>it's an ID game
said the millenial redditor. no a single person of the founding members works at that Redditumblr company anymore. this being an id games doesn't mean jackshit.
Also it's id Software, not ID, you cock sniffing faggot. of course you are going to get it, because you little fagglet grew up with the 360 or the Wii being your very first video game experience.

>>323955860
You sure are a long way from Dawkins' closet, Fedora the Explorer

>>323956097
Here let me start the church of Super Mario oh wait /v/ already is, which is equally retarded.

>>323955336
>>323955969
>Choosing to spend $70 on a 5 hour rooty-tooty with no multiplayer and not even the speed or tactics of the originals.
>Not only that, but feeling smug about it.

What is it like being such a miserable excuse for a person?

>>323955192
>Level up system + Perk system (in fucking SP)
>separated keys for Chainsaw & BFG, latter being the "panic button"
>cinematic fp-cutscenes
>shitty, over-designed and generic enemy design
>Loadouts in MP
>quick grenade key
>no strafe-jumping
>no mods
>Sloooowww

>>323955969
The funny thing is, if Doom 4 were a game exactly like the original DOS ones but with a coat of modern graphics, everyone would bitch the same or even more.
You know, sequels don't exist anymore. Now everything is REHASH! REHASH! REHASH! or IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE OLD ONES, IT'S SHIT!!!

>>323956041
Pretty fun classic cult but massively overrated, you will either like it, like it a lot and become a doom sperg, or hate it because muh grafix

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>>323956093
>buzzwords
>implying bfg was bad
>implying rage was bad, though short
>projecting this hard

>>323956237
>$70
nigger what? it's $60. i like id software, so they can have my shekels.

>>323956258
this

>>323955192
no, it's a shitty console fps now

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>>323956041
One of the most influential and FUN games in the history. A game that will make any modern shooter seem bland, slow and just fake as hell.

Seriously son, just download the game's .WAD file, slap it into a modern source-port like ZDoom, and start playing it. The games are < 50 megabytes in total.

>>323956237
Where was I smug retard?

And no, I pirate almost exclusively, and multiplayer games are not my cup of tea since 2005
>>323956258
Word.

They literally cannot please the more aggressive part of the DOOM fandom, and for good measure they sure as shit are not trying

I just hope that fucking thing on the left is not an Imp.

I am going to buy it. Multiplayer will most likely be dead but I am sure Ill find the game for like 40 dollars on some website.

>>323955192
Why are people so obsessed with a franchise that hasn't been goon in forever.

>>323956305
>muh grafix
This is never a problem for me, it's the least on my priorities. Especially if it's an old game, I can appreciate within context.
>>323956398
>modern source-port like ZDoom
There's different mediums to play it? I have Windows 7, not sure how compatible that is.

>>323955532
Imps had spikes since first Doom and most demons had horns so it's not like spikes are out of ordinary you fucking Doom 3 newfag

>>323955192
i hope it's at least as good as RAGE (and has a gun on par with RAGE's pistol) but i have no idea what to expect from this game

>>323956554
All of the games have been more or less good despite the hate 3 got from particularly stringy fans of the first 2

Heck there are doom1 fans that hate doom2

I like them all myself, mainly because I like videogames, y'know?

>>323955192
Bethesda and id have done nothing wrong, it's only those who cling onto their (non-)childhood memories and delusions of "a better time" who will decry them and the newest DOOM game.

>>323956729
that shit is cool

of course like ALL cool arts it won't be in the fucking game

>>323955192

No one who worked on the original games is working on doom 4.

Literally fan fiction desu.

They have fucked up the premise of FPS since Quake and Doom died.

FPS's used to actually be bullet hells. That's what they were, first person Dodge em Ups.

You were actually doing more movement shit than actual shooting shit. It was about dodging all those projectiles, weaving in and out of shit and shooting with precise kill shots.

FPS became about playing wackamole with slow shitty targets who pose no real threat while you hide from their hitscan bullshit.

>>323956616
I use Zandronium and it runs flawlessly on my Windows 7 64.
Seriously, you should play those games.

>>323956798
people who call Doom slow are fucking retarded and seem to demand some kind of bullet hell Touhou in 3D reminds me of tards who called Wolfenstein:TNO a linear corridor shooter while it allowed you multiple playstyles and entrances aside from the very first 2 - 3 maps

>>323956616
If grafix aren't important then give it a roll, the DOOM fanatics are going to literally sperg out at this notion but ignore them, try the game in default first, get a feel for it, then enable freelook and crosshair, it literally, and I mean literally turns into one of the best FPS games of all time by doing that

And yea Zdoom works on w7 no problem, use that or gzdoom, for singleplayer it doesn't matter much I guess.

>>323956883
>FPS became about playing wackamole with slow shitty targets who pose no real threat while you hide from their hitscan bullshit.
Controllers are what killed fps's.

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>>323956616
the source-ports are like these user-made "fronts", that run the original game's files in order to make them run smooth on modern systems. Most of them also allow you to use modern resolutions, customize controls, and even enable some "enhancements" that were not possible on original game. There's nowadays a source-port for almost all major 90's classic shooters.
Playing the old DOS Dooms is near impossible on systems newer than WinXP, and using a DosBox is kinda crappy choice when ZDoom etc do everything it does, but better and faster. And yes, I have W7 Ultimate x64.

Just make sure that the source-port you use does not have some faggy new shit enabled by default, such as jumping / crouching, Y-axis mouse aiming or texture filters. Not to mention crap like BLOOM.

>>323955192
What exactly are you asking, OP? If it's "is there hope of it being fun" then that's going to vary from person to person. Decide for yourself based on the information coming out now or wait until the game is released watch some videos then decide for yourself. I don't think anyone's posts can convince you otherwise.

>>323956258
Just going off opinions on the internet you'll see every kind of viewpoint under the sun. From the people who swear up and down that Doom 3 is more "Doom" than this, to the people who want it to have more story (somehow they exist), to the people who want more gore, to the people who want it to be more spooky. There's no single viewpoint for what people want Doom 4 to be because everyone has a different opinion on what "Doom" is.

>>323957030

Bullshit. Most people played Doom 1 and 2 on only a keyboard.

>>323955192
Considering /v/ already decided to hate it no matter what happens I'm gonna have to go with "no".

>>323957179
To be honest this, the fanbase is so fractured opinions just flow everywhere, I just dont give a fuck, I'll play and enjoy this like the previous game
>>323957208
And it sucked, shit only got good when mouses came into frey, and it got gooder with freelook and crosshair

>>323955192
not one bit

>>323957030
actually crosshairs killed fps's. its crazy that no game has used vertical autoaim since doom and quake

>>323957364
I the first time I played both Dooms, Wolfenstein 3D, Blood, Blake Stone, Duke 3D and Shadow Warrior I played them with keyboard only.
While up/down mouselook is absolutely stupid because those games weren't designed with it on mind, I think the optimal setup is kb+m.

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>>323955192
>Is there hope?
No

>>323957364
>And it sucked
nope. I still play DOOM with KB only.
I agree that playing any relatively modern shooter without a mouse is just pain in the ass though.

>>323957642
Nah I tried DOOM with freelook and crosshairs for the first time in 15 years and that shit felt fresh as fuck

Even if they werent 'designed' with it in mind it works great, and honestly not being to look up/down feels stiff as fuck nowadays

Just my 2bits of course

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>>323957731
this is so horrible

>>323957731
Christ it looks so fucking boring

>>323957021
>DOOM fanatics are going to literally sperg out at this notion
Why?
>>323957041
Ok so get ZDoom and the doom file, any recommended places to Download from?

>>323955379
that's not how it looks
its a fan edit where he took out the orange filter

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>>323956836
That's actually the Baron design that made it into the game, though at least based on this screenshot they didn't do a very good job of translating it into a 3D model. It does look a lot better in the E3 gameplay trailer where you can see it off in the distance for a couple seconds, so maybe this screenshot just isn't very flattering.

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>>323957858
>>323957859
>>323957878

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I miss yellow piss filter already. Looks boring and bland without it. Art direction exists for a reason and I hope they didn't get rid of it because of you faggots crying.

>>323956093
>id
But it stands for "Ideas from the Deep," so either pronunciation is valid

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>>323956729
Booty shot cumming through.

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>>323957982

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>>323957903
anywhere you want, really.
There's usually bunch of torrents etc for the whole "Doom collection", which has D1, 2 and Final.

GZDoom is also a good source-port, and many big mods these days use it. However, it has tons of changes and "enhancement" on by default. At least enable Font scaling on high resolutions, and disable the texture filter, vertical aiming and jumping.

>>323957827
To each to his own, trying DOOM on my school computer all those years back with only KB sucked dick, when I finally got it at home and figured out I can play it with a mouse shit got properly fun

And replaying it last year in zDoom with freelook and crosshair just intesified those feelings, game really stands up to the test of time that way

Again, just my 2bits
>>323957903
>Why?

Its a very touchy fanbase, not sure exactly, just try out each possible way and figure out how you like it

Get zdoom from their website, google for the original wads or buy them off steam, but I wouldn't give valve money for it honestly

>>323955192
Ehh, it'll be a gorey, slightly faster than usual shooter featuring demons, and that's good enough for me. As long as it meets or surpasses shadow warrior

>>323957041
Nothing wrong with jumping, crouching and using mouse making old games more modern is a good thing and I played a fuckload of Doom on PSX as a kid and still play it on PC with mods from time to time

so fuck you fuck not being able to look around properly

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>>323957987
Ahahahaha
The fucking contrarians are already starting!

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>>323957731
>point blank SSG
>54 dmg
oh my fucking god
How can they fuck up so badly?

>>323957731
Well, there goes all my hype

>>323958274
>Nothing wrong with jumping, crouching
Other than totally breaking the game and skipping through entire levels in less than a minute?
>using mouse
was already in back in 93. Just no vertical aim.

>Doom on PSX
>still with mods
cancer.

>>323958274
There's a PSX DOOM TC for GZDoom that turns the game just into the PSX version, sans the terrible framerate

>>323958274
jumping breaks the original levels

Nothing wrong with mouse though, nothing wrong with vertical aim either

>>323957420
quake didnt have no fuckin auto aim dumbass

>>323957987
That's why you don't trust /v/ with opinions on these things.
If you think about it, a lot of the classics that /v/ likes would not have been so if they would have taken advice from here before those games were released.
/v/ thinks in memes.

>>323957987
Doom 2 was brown and grey as fuck but of coruse it's hard to see it with the pink nostalgia glasses you wear

when was the last time you played Doom? when yoiu were 8?

>>323956237
>5 hour

Baseless speculation.

>no multiplayer

MP has been confirmed since the beginning.

>speed or tactics of the originals

There's never gonna be a game that feels as fast as Doom did. I think the pace is fine, what it lacks in raw speed is made up for in vertical gameplay mixing it up.

>>323955969
>Of course it will NEVER be able to be discussed on /v/, and the hate will leak to the rest of the internet, for real shame as well

If it's good it will be talked about.

Deus Ex HR is not the original, not even close to the original.
It still got a lot of praise on here of all fucking places along with the rest of the internet.

It doesn't have to be like the original.
It just has to be NOT SHIT

Same thing happened with Wolfenstein The Old Blood

>>323958470
god forbid someone who knows the levels already will skip them

and who the fuck still plays original levels anyway? megawads exist for a reason

>>323958272
speaking of which Shadow Warrior 2 will be relased this year I wasn't a big fan of the original , I didn't even touch the remake but this one looks interesting if you want over the top fast action

>>323959056
HR is getting a lot of hate from dx spergs nowadays though. Back then they couldn't contain the hype of the leak so they just retreated to their caves and swallowed it

Wolfenstein games have always been different from each other and the fanbase is lax as fuck, but I blame it on RTCW, it was FLAWLESS despite being different so nobody could really hate on it, after that the best fanbase in the world was spawned

>>323959218
>I didn't even touch the remake

Do it if you think 2 is interesting

>>323957731
right now somebody is playing a fps with a gamepad
why do people do this again?

>>323957731
looks like halo

>>323957731
>>323957858
>>323957982
To be fair, it looks like the guy playing fucking sucks

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>shotguns have no range, no accuracy, no damage
>guns have weak sound effects
>plasma rifle feels like you're shooting glowing pillows for all the impact it has

CONSOLES

>>323959061
>god forbid someone who knows the levels already will skip them
indeed; why the fuck?
>and who the fuck still plays original levels anyway?
I do. Because they're FUN, and actually well designed, unlike majority of fan-maps.

>>323959218
SW2013 was shit, and its sequel is looking just the same crap + procedurally created maps.

>>323959273
as for wolfenstein

remember how linear it was? Way more than The New Order but of course when TNO came out people were calling it a fucking corridor shooter because apparently RTCW with whole one way to approach the level has a free pass

hell in TNO you can choose if you want to be sneaky or not instead of being fucking forced in a stealth mission like in that one shit RTCW level

>>323959401
No idea either, the only fps/tps games I can play with a controller without getting a headache are ones with super autoaim like RDR
>>323959441
His using a controller, game probably feels and plays OK in single player with kb+m, even if its nowhere near as fast as the originals with decent pace it might turn out ok, just like doom3

Darksiders: The FPS

>>323955336
RAGE was shit though
Had some good ideas, but still shit.

>>323959273
Spergs will always sperg.

If Doom 4 is good the same thing will happen as it did with Deus Ex, a lot more people being positive than negative.

Also when I mentioned The Old Blood it is in comparison to TNO, it got a lot of praise even if TNO didn't get so much here.

Contrarians will always be on /v/ and take over all discussion but if the game is good then everywhere else will talk positively about it

>>323957731
If somebody told me this was Halo I'd believe them.

>>323957731
>people say "doom might be good, you guys are just haters"
>this webm is posted
>thread immediately BTFO every time

>>323959565
When people talk about RtCW they will never talk about the singleplayer.

And for good reason, it's shit.

The multiplayer is what made people like it.

TNO is a corridor shooter, but it has no multiplayer. So this is all they focus on.
RtCW is a corridor shooter with shit enemies, but nobody gave a shit because the multiplayer was amazing.

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>>323955192
Despite the shit designs of demons, I hope it's going to be a lot of fun.

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>>323958334
>because reducing the gameplay into corner-instakill peekaboo is such a fucking good idea

The multiplayer looks fine-ish.
Nothing special but certainly better than Unreal Tournament 4 (which moves about at same speed, with less action than in these webms thanks to garbage level design)

>>323959576
>>323959441
No input method can justify things like 2-weapon limited spawn loadouts, grenade button with grenade indicators, melee button, and 54 damage point blank SSG

>>323959934
That's not even true

>>323959565
You mean 2009 wolfenstein? I remember it being OK as a game, nowhere near RTCW but its so forgettable I honestly cant recall much shit

RTCW had some passways to go about levels differently and godly level design to be honest, especially the way it handled secrets.

As for stealth levels, I liked them, but maybe because I was a sten sperg and I even did bosses with that shit (just cheated ammo if it didn't suffice)

but yeah TNO is good, I dont care for the sneaky part, it does that horribly compared to rtcw, but the action part is good desu desu
>>323959734
Honestly a lot of games are plagued by vocal haters nowadays, fine ones at that. I mean a couple years back you couldn't discuss call of duty but who wants to discuss that anyway. Now any fucking thread gets shitposted because oh no its not muh souls or it is muh souls and I hate muh souls. Place needs a cleansing
>>323959873
>And for good reason, it's shit.

You shut your filthy mouth

>>323959934
>The multiplayer looks fine-ish.
So, you like HALO?

>>323959981
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your bitching and whining paid off, they added some colors to these flying turds.

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>>323958046
>carapace
>no muscular ass
I can't fap to this!

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I'll probably pirate the campaign. Multiplayer is guaranteed garbage now that they have revealed its a console shooter. It'll be alright for the 8 year olds on their ps4 and xbones though.

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>>323956729
I miss the furry legs.

SP: Maybe, with enough mods yes
MP: Not a chance, its absolute garbage.

>>323958823
Any why it should have original doom tones again?

>>323959981
>54 damage point blank SSG

you realize the person died right..it was probably just truncating the damage

and he didn't hit them "point blank" either

>>323960160
Missed potential with nvidia hairworks there. Fucking hell Bethesda..

>>323955776
>hurr its halo
Whats it like living with the downs?

>>323960065
>you forgot: no strafe jumping
I don't totally mind this; this isn't Quake

But that there's no advanced movement to replace it is bullshit

They could have at least added some sideways boosting or something so you could at least vaguely emulate shit like SR50

>>323957982
This is why playing FPS with a controller is ridiculous

>>323958018
As much of a massive faggot as that guy is, he's right about pronunciation:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110515031735/http://www.idsoftware.com/business/history/

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>>323960119
>I'll probably pirate the campaign

I'll pirate and enjoy the campaign

Pick the game up for 5$ on steam when it goes on sale, unless the campaign turns out great and it has decent length in which case I'll pay 20$
>>323960261
Please no

>>323960065
Yeah, I liked Combat Evolved. It kinda went to shit after they added small autoaim in the sequels, but it was still good fun thanks to good level design and variety in weapons + the whole vehicle aspect of it.

But what's this about no strafe-jumping? Like how the fuck is that supposed to be limited? Hard facts on the table, nigger.

>>323959763
>>323959408
>I have a mental disability
Cool? Nobody needs to know about your aspergers.

>>323960389
He's referring to the Quake 3 advanced movement method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfpaEAh3geM

>>323960389
>Yeah, I liked Combat Evolved

I loved the campaign in CE, gave it a whirl on PC a coupe of years back and shit was fun, might even pick up a 360 for the rest of the games later

Only time I played multiplayer was when an xboner friend said he could take me on with a gamepad, needless to say I went 20-1 or some shit, fucking xbots lol

>>323960065
Yes, because Halo is good?

The webm's look nothing like Halo, its a bad Call of Duty with a DooM skin senpai.

Control your autism.

>>323960389
Halo had bullet magnetism since the very first game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHzTDc7diYo

>>323960678
You're wrong

Call of Duty as it is today is way faster than this shit

The floaty jumps and the artstyle is what makes it distinctly Halo

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>>323960678
>Yes, because Halo is good?
>The webm's look nothing like Halo
You could put a few seconds of HALO footage in the middle of those vids, and nobody would notice the difference.

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>>323960529
Oh, some glitch-abuse.
Kinda makes sense to remove "mechanics" that only couple hundred people in the world are autistic enough to bother try learning.

>>323960071
neat, I'm wondering what the deaths look like when they don't just explode in gore, do they just drop out of the sky and ragdoll before vaporizing like doom 3 or will they decay and leave a corpse like the original?

>>323960820
>Call of Duty as it is today is way faster than this shit
Thats why i said a bad Call of Duty, like AW or Ghosts.

>Floaty Jumps
>Artstyle
>Make it Halo
Yeah you're clearly delusional or just flat out retarded.

>>323960851
>Weeb Trash
>Thinking he has an opinion
wew lad, kill yourself.

>>323960879
The devs kept it in intentionally. It's like rocket jumping and Tribes skiing. Not intentional but everyone agreed they made the games better so they were kept.

You can fuck off, atittudes like yours is what makes FPSes boring these days

>>323961034
Tell me what makes it not Halo.

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Can't wait for the endless threads on /v/ with how shit the pc beta feels when it finally opens.

Fuck, why did we have to see the console footage first? Was it to lower the expectations?

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>>323961034
>Halo trash
>thinking he has an opinion

No wonder people are "looking forward to" this game.

>>323961170
But lower expectations are good, its how I ended up liking fo4 when the gunplay turned out to be quite good

I'll probably enjoy this one too, as long as the weapons are punchy enough and there are plenty enemies to blow into a gory mess

>>323960879
It's literally in Quake Live's training mode. Strafejumping is an intended mechanic.

>>323956251
You are literally wrong though.

>>323960691
Pistol sure as hell didn't have that much magnetism. At least not horizontally.

>>323960879
TROOOGDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

BURNINATING THE COUNTRYSIDE
BURNINATING THE PEASANTS
BURNINATING THE PEOPLE IN THEIR
THATCHROOF COTTAGEEEEEEEEEES

>>323961421
About what in particular?

Every single item in that list is confirmed through interviews and footage.

>>323956251
>no strafe-jumping
This is a joke right? Please tell me this isn't real.

>>323961114
>Walk Speed is slow as shit
>Damage shown on hit
>Bullet Spread
>Piss filter
There's 4 among a million others which are easy to see if you arent schizophrenic or shitposting a dead meme.

>>323961229
>Trash trash
>thinking he has an opinion
The game is absolute garbage senpai, it doesnt come close to Halo, but id rather play this garbage over your moeblob trash. Consider suicide.

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>>323961568
it's true, bro.

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>>323961319
But they are clearly spending too much time on the multiplayer. I fucking hope the single player is worth the price.

In any case I better get a cheap key from the grey market, just to be certain.

>most of /v/ can't play a controller with high sensitivity.
Yup, PC master race.

>>323960413
it even looks like spartans fighting each other

>>323961421
your statement is literally wrong. All those things listed have been confirmed already.

>>323961704
>playing with limited and imprecise garbage controls

Sorry consolefriend, not everyone likes the casual experience.

Why don't we play tribes instead?

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>>323959934
6/10 bait friend

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

>>323961745
Then you're clearly delusional and you need to seek medical help. Nobody cares about your dead meme, but if you're being serious you're more than likely mentally challenged.

>>323961612
>Walk Speed is slow as shit
But it is in Halo too

>Damage shown on hit
Wow, this makes the game so different!!!!!!!

>Bullet Spread
Where?

>Piss filter
Still doesn't change the fact that the armor literally looks like Mjolnir and the guns are just as overdesigned looking garbage as any in the 343 Halos

>>323961662
Multiplayer is rumored to have been outsourced, and it shows.

>>323961568
3 didn't have it either, why the fuck are you so surprised anyway?

Or why hold hope that the game will be in any way, shape, or form like the originals?
>>323961662
I'm pirating myself, it will probably be decent enough, if it turns out really good I'll pick it up but not for full price because multiplayer does not interest me anyway
>>323961704
I can play them but unlike you I have multiple platforms one of which can play FPS games as intended :^)

>>323961843
More like you preferred an easier experience.

>>323960769
why add meat? Why are skeletons such a big taboo in vidya now?

I like how he looks like he is high as fuck just look at the eyes

>>323961920
>Or why hold hope that the game will be in any way, shape, or form like the originals?

Because why else bother to make a Doom game?

>>323961886
>Then you're clearly delusional
irony

>>323961946
As I just said, I won't be playing with controllers, so no.

>>323961920
>one of which can play FPS games as intended.
So you sucked so hard and got cucked by pc because of its wasy as fuck aim, gg senpai.

>>323961843
Imprecision makes shooters better. Heightens the skill-ceiling and turns the focus on actual tactics and mind-games instead of "muh perfect mouse-aim..."

>>323961892
>But it is in Halo too
Wrong, also, Halo has movement outside of Walk.
>Wow, this makes the game so different!!!!!!!
It does actually
>Where?
Literally any of the webm's posted
>Still doesn't change the fact that the armor literally looks like Mjolnir and the guns are just as overdesigned looking garbage as any in the 343 Halos
Yeah you're delusional and/or mentally challenged. Stop posting anytime.

Lets also talk about how the TTK is a solid 5 seconds above any Halo game which kills momentum.

>>323962051
Learn what irony means before you shitpost. Prove to me that they're identical senpai.

>>323962023
Uh sorry but what? We have had a main game with expansion that was nothing like the original, does that skip your mind or something?

Furthermore WHY make it like the originals? So the whole 50k fans can buy it? out of which half of you would hate for one minor detail?
>>323962101
gg

>>323961867
Have you actually played UT4?
It's fucking awful. So sluggish. Not even TF2 is as sluggish.

>>323961920
>3 didn't have it either
orly
https://youtu.be/WUYCLwr63C4?t=2m49s

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>>323962108
Listen, you play your casual console shooters the way you want, autoaim and everything, alright? I'm just saying that not everyone like the casual experience that consoles provide.

>>323962056
Okay, bet even with a mouse you still use auto aim.

>>323962229
and yet you all hate it regardless

>>323962229
>bunny-hopping
God, I had forgotten that this retarded shit used to be a thing. Good riddance

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>>323962272
>he was that bad.

>all these casual console FPS shitters

DOOM sure hit their target audience this time..

>>323962185
>Uh sorry but what? We have had a main game with expansion that was nothing like the original, does that skip your mind or something?
And it was almost universally disliked.

>Furthermore WHY make it like the originals?
So we can have a fast paced shooter with cool level design for once these days, instead they went with le ebin brootal finishers meme

>>323962179
>Wrong, also, Halo has movement outside of Walk.

>halo
>not slow

Are you sure you've even played a Halo game?
Halo 4 and 5 are the ones with sprinting and pretty much every actual halofag dislikes that

>>323956093
>said the millenial redditor.
To be honest if you're above 30 and on 4chan then you should get to reddit.

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The graphics look total shit. What the fuck is Carmack doing?

>>323962474
At least we get attention, pc will be dead in 6-10 years.

>>323962368
Cause the cramped levels don't allow for actually using it

>>323962368
>game's quality hinges entirely on a single highly specific feature
>wild generalisations
stop posting any time

>>323961662
>But they are clearly spending too much time on the multiplayer.
id software's focus is on the singleplayer, not the multiplayer. MP is mostly being handled by Certain Affinity.

It only looks like multiplayer is the "focus" because they're being tight with any singleplayer material since it's the main aspect of the game that they're trying to sell. It's easy to spoil a map-based singleplayer game by showing off too much. Whereas the MP is completely different and has no spoilers whatsoever so they can be more liberal with what they show off.

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>>323962272
>being able to dominate the game with simple-as-fuck muscle control even if you just run around like an idiot makes it somehow more hardcore

>>323961612
>Walk Speed is slow as shit
That's literally a staple of Halo. Have you played any FPS from the 90s?

>>323955192
>Not being able to tell how many enemies there are on screen, their exact positions and which ones are an immediate threat at a fucking glance
After 30 seconds poring over the image trying to get an enemy count I still can't tell if there's a Mancubus behind the Cyberdemon or if there are only 8 enemies.

>>323962498
>And it was almost universally disliked.

Based on??? Your opinion??? The vocal fanbase of the original??? Half of which bicker amongst themselves over which of the first 2 are better??? Or why DOOM2 sucks???

It actually WASN'T universally hated

>So we can have a fast paced shooter with cool level design for once these days

You would hate it anyway, one minor detail, ONE minor detail and you would hate it
>>323962606
Well yeah, but the game is still generally ok, just not like the originals
>>323962659
fuck are you trying to tell me? you hated it because its not a 1;1 copy of doom1 or 2, whichever you liked the most or whichever you didn't dislike

>>323962498
>And it was almost universally disliked.
Doom 3 was a critically acclaimed game and a commercial success, same for it's expansion pack.

It is still viewed upon highly outside of /v/ and the BFG edition also did well despite it shitting on a lot of things.

I am all for a Doom 4 that takes more from Doom 1 and 2 instead of being a standard modern FPS but don't try to rewrite the past here.

>>323962574
Working at Oculus because he left id years ago

>>323962817
>I am all for a Doom 4 that takes more from Doom 1 and 2 instead of being a standard modern FPS but don't try to rewrite the past here.
Well that's exactly the issue, it doesn't look like it's doing that at all

>>323962735
neo-/v/ everyone.

>>323962804
>fuck are you trying to tell me? you hated it because its not a 1;1 copy of doom1 or 2, whichever you liked the most or whichever you didn't dislike
take a nap

>>323957945

Even so, it's not going to take very long until somebody mods that fucking garbage out of the game.

>>323962804
People don't want "generally ok" games. They want good games.

Doom 3 isn't bad, but given the choice to play it or 1/2/64 I'd pick the original trilogy any day.

>>323962893
>Well that's exactly the issue, it doesn't look like it's doing that at all
I know man, I'd really be supporting if they did actually do that though.

Doesn't change the fact that Doom 3 was very well received by everyone though.

>>323962735
why did she eat the poopoo

>>323962574
Boss?

>>323962593
That's ironic coming from a consolefag who has to play on mobile devices in 10 years because consoles just aren't profitable anymore.

>>323962804
>You would hate it anyway, one minor detail, ONE minor detail and you would hate it
It bothers me that publishers and developers actually think this way and use it as justification for not even trying to please us. There is a big difference between "muh rock textures" and failing to even slightly resemble your franchise namesake.

>>323963010
>Doesn't change the fact that Doom 3 was very well received by everyone though.
That still doesn't mean anything. Halo and Call of Duty are also very well received by everyone, but that doesn't make them great games

>>323962929
>misoneism
Ok gramps you keep telling yourself that on your last leg of the journey.

>>323962952
Soon
>>323962993
Well I choose all of them, if you want to play the same game for 10k hours by all means

>>323963141
I will, because the original Doom simply offers so much more than Doom 3 does, especially in terms of the sheer amount of fan content

If Doom 3 is so great why does Doom 2 have a much bigger modding scene?

>>323962773
>That's literally a staple of Halo.
Its really not, every Halo to make up for maps that dont have Vehicles has had fairly fast walk speed.

Its not Doom or UT fast but its not this trash slow.

>>323957947
yeah, in my opinion the biggest issue with 3d games is that it's so hard to translate artwork into models that don't look shit.

>>323963274
I think you need to actually play a Halo game again (1, 2, or 3 in particular) to clean off your nostalgia glasses.

It's among the slowest FPS move speeds ever made.

>>323963045
That applies to you to shit lord, if people don't have ti me to play games it affect every one.

>>323961034

You're genuinely retarded or delusional if you think Doom 4's multiplayer, gunplay, and movement don't resemble halo.

>>323963120
Oh really, please who exactly? The whole '''load''' of people that would take a glance at the game and say ''yeah nah my wads are better fug dis''?

Accept that hardcore doom fans are niche as fuck, and no one wants to bother pandering to you, because there is no market.

And just for the record I fucking loved the originals, DOOM1 was my second game after SMB and shit rocked. But regardless of that I still liked DOOM3 because different things aren't automatically bad
>>323963247
Because its a cult classic probably, if you think it bothers me then LOL at you, I like all of them so whatever

>>323963123
>Halo 1-3
>Not great games.
Being a contrarian hipster doesn't make you look cool.

>>323962773
No it wasn't, you stupid nigger.

>delusional oldfags and underage pretending to be oldfags think this is fast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p62hA4GUw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2Jg2wvdhQ

>>323960389
I liked Halo more when Bungie didn't decide to move the crosshair to the bottom third of the screen for no fucking reason.

>>323959408
nah, you could actually kill people in halo.

>>323963123
The statement I am refuting is
>And it was almost universally disliked.

I don't like Doom 3 very much at all(Except for the Chaingun, that was nice), but it was NOT universally disliked by everyone.
It still isn't except by the extreme Doom fanboys who don't want Doom to be anything besides what the community levelsets made it.
Which is amazing but it also leads to a skewed viewpoint on what Doom 1 and 2 is like

Most of the Doomworld/ZDoom communities still like Doom 3.
/vr/ is even okay with it despite it being different.

It was NOT a hated game.
It is still not a hated game.

>>323955776
halo is faster pace than the slop that is this doom

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>>323963401
Would you just stop crying you salty little bitch, jesus christ.

>>323963430
Different anon.

The basic gameplay resembles Halo but the saddest part is even Halo is far more of a classic arena shooter than Doom 4

Halo at least has fun and varied gamemodes, satisfying and powerful weapons (including a shotgun actually dealing damage) and had you fighting over weapons on the map. Doom 4 doesn't.

>>323963528
Unreal movespeed is way faster than Halo. Not sure why you're proving yourself wrong without realizing it, but okay.

>>323963610
It IS universally accepted that the originals are better games, and that being different for the sake of being different isn't enough to justify making it bad

>>323963247
>If Doom 3 is so great why does Doom 2 have a much bigger modding scene?
Doom 1 and 2 is infinitely easier to mod for and also it supports both low quality effort and top quality work, along with low quality sprites and high quality sprites, or even models in it thanks to source ports.

Accessibility is everything.
Doom 3 takes a lot more effort to make it look good, because the baseline for visuals is considerably higher and mapping is genuinely tedious and unfun for it

Old Doom is just so much better.
It also helps that the old guard is very welcoming and helpful to newcomers even now, while the Doom 3 community sort of moved onward since they didn't get nearly as much support.

>>323963123
>Halo and Call of Duty are also very well received by everyone, but that doesn't make them great games
It does, actually.

The ones that weren't well-received by everyone arent good, but the ones that are, are. The best way to judge it is by player count.

Stop being contrarian, nobody is going to listen to a word you say when you're basically a talking fedora.

>>323963394
3 is slow i'll admit that, but 1 and 2 you're out of your fucking mimd.

You actually need to play a Halo game to begin with and clean off your doom nostalgia glasses.

>>323963430
You're genuinely retarded or delusional if you think Doom 4's multiplayer, gunplay, and movement resemble halo.

>>323963610
It's not bad but it still doesn't have much in common with the originals, which is a shame because today their gameplay would be unique as fuck, that's why people get unreasonably salty.

Everyone just wants a new classic-doomlike game, opinion of Doom 3 aside. But everyone who ever tried has done a "uh, well how about this!"

>>323963478
If they just want to say fuck the hardcore fans and do their own thing that isn't Doom, that's fine, but they need to market what it is, not what it isn't. They keep going on about how it's true to the original, violent like the original, fast like the original, and then show footage which isn't even fucking close in any way, shape or form. Flagrantly lying directly to your market is inexcusable and doesn't just ignore Doom fans, it completely shits all over them in the most spiteful way possible.

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>>323962108
I remember Destiny faggots whining about people using m/k in their shit game.
It was so fucking fun to read, like a bunch of disabled kiddies trying to bash a normal human being because he actually has his arms and legs.

>>323955776
Underrated post

>>323961982
>Why are skeletons such a big taboo in vidya now?
To sell the game in China

>>323963394
Have you played Halo with increased FoV? Default is like riding in a train and looking at the mountains, at a 100 degrees horizontal it feels quite alright.

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>>323963976
Holy fuck I need to find this in the archives.

>>323961982
Because
>A skeleton can't move by itself; it needs muscles because muh realism
Even when it's a supernatural entity.

>>323963974
Maybe campaign pace will be quickish, serious sam isn't all that fast either but certainly feels so when you got to deal with 1000 enemies

Either way I'm reserving judgement for release, I already know that despite marketing this will be nothing like the originals, but as a standalone game it still has the potential to be good, and I love my single player FPS games so why not give it a chance?

But yeah its just my opinion, you can hate it and its your right to do so

>>323963886
>3 is slow i'll admit that, but 1 and 2 you're out of your fucking mimd.
Halo 1 move speed is only 0.857% faster than Halo 3, with Halo 2 in between.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFPg8jC3eEQ

Just watching alone you can see that it's fucking slow, come on.

Nobody ever gave a fuck about multiplayer in Doom. Why are they focusing so much on it now? It's not going to be more successful than Halo, Call of Duty or anything, so why bother?

>>323963768
>It IS universally accepted that the originals are better games, and that being different for the sake of being different isn't enough to justify making it bad

It's not universally accepted that the originals are better but it is the biggest and most correct evaluation viewpoint for Doom.

Doom 4 just wasn't ever going to be what you or I would have wanted, because sales will always be the most important thing.
And since consoles have a very large group of players that developers and publishers feel they need to cater to as number one, many things will always be changed to accommodate them.

This is not necessarily a bad thing in itself by default, but what it comes with this time around is
>The mod tools is Snapmap
>No proper mapping allowed
>Game is designed with a controller in mind first so encounters might suffer for this
>Multiplayer so bad and out of place it almost looks outsourced considering how often they preach about wanting to make the old fans happy

I hope it is a good game for what it is, but it is disheartening at what gets cut out and there is a very good chance it won't even be that good in singleplayer depending on how much they concede to accessibility.

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>>323963976
https://www.bungie.net/sr/Forum/Post/88776877/0/0
>Til the time keyboard and mouse become standard devices on consoles, hooking it up so you can demolish players using controllers in the Crucible to feed your ego or some sense of having achieved something is plain dick-ish and considered cheating. If anyone can make any coherent counter argument then make it. Having the "opportunity" to buy it isn't a counter argument since I'm sure most people are either reluctant to spend their hard earned money so they can compete with scums like you, and most are even naive that such devices actually exist. Saying Scuf controllers are allowed isn't a legitimate reason either because these are still in essence controllers with extra buttons, if you can't grasp the concept of the difference between aiming with a joystick on a controller and aiming a mouse then that's your bad.

MY SIDES!

>>323963247
>If Doom 3 is so great why does Doom 2 have a much bigger modding scene?

Popularity aside, the fact Doom 2 is infinitely easier to mod than 3 is might have a lot to do with it. The original Doom games are so simplistic in their graphics that it's easier to pull off more convincing levels.

>>323962957
Don't let them fool you, >>323955192 is not an edit. That's exactly how it was released back during Quakecon 2015.

>>323961612
>Piss filter
Can this die already? It's been proven even in the E3 demos that spawned the phrase that it's just the lighting in the levels. These new screenshots put the notion of a "filter" even further to rest.

>>323964365
I never expected Doom 4 to be what I want it to be.

I just don't believe a more classic new Doom game would sell any worse. They're already basing their entire advertisement on it being "fast and fluid movement" and shit. Would it really sell any worse if this was actually true?

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>>323964358
It's not that MP is the main focus, it's more of that id's been so tight-lipped about the SP campaign that the outsourced multiplayer is the only thing they can really show.

Unfortunately, the company in charge of the outsourced multiplayer doesn't realize this is fucking DOOM.

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>flank enemies
how it goes in hardcore PC-shooters:
>without hesitation, the player uses his hardcore mouse aim and OP-as fuck weapons to headshot all the enemies before anybody realizes anything. Easy as clicking files in desktop!
how it goes in consolified shooters
>thanks to slower pace and imprecision player has to quickly plan out a strategy, after which he has to act it out with many more possibly changing variables than PC-babbies could ever consider. Pulling it off takes good nerves, adaptability and wits on top of aim.

Which is more hardcore, truly?

Also, if we are talking about M+KB shooters C&C Renegade and AvP2 shits on all of your overrated as fuck Unreals, Quakes, Cawadoodie-Strikes and what else.

>>323964414
Can I do this on ps3? I'd legit pick up the game to piss off these cunts

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>>323964365
>Doom 4 just wasn't ever going to be what you or I would have wanted
I don't think you understand how low my standards have fallen over the years.

>>323964648
I too love to play a multiplayer shooter designed for autoaim consolebabbies.

>>323964759
The worse part is despite being so low they're still unreachable.

>>323964608
Remember anon, everything has to match the pace that the controller can handle.

The controller is the standard method for input for a large majority of players, and the publishers don't want to alienate potential sales because the game is hard with a controller.

Would it sell worse if it was actually meant to be wildly fast and fluid?
Short answer, yes.

Long answer, yesssssssssssssssss

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>>323964414

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>>323957731
What the fuck?
This looks exactly like Halo and it's freaking me out.

>>323964740
Yes, but it's apparently costly.
>Facts: Keyboard + mouse is not a supported device you have to purchase an adapter on his case it's the Xim which costs about $124.

That was around a year ago, so not sure about now.

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>>323964819

>>323955192
I had hopes until they threw in all this runes and upgrades nonsense.
Then I kinda just lost interest.

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doom 3 looked better

>>323964819
I want to disagree but I guess you're right.

These webms are proof. The game is slow as shit and players still fucking can't aim worth jack shit.

Why can't Doom just get a slower console spinoff and leave the rest of us alone?

Fuck even the console Dooms back in the PSX/N64 days were maybe 80% of the speed of PC doom. Still way fast compared to this.

>>323964414
So is Destiny just compatible with KBM right out of the box, like that Dust 514 game? Or is there an adapter you need to use?
I wanna poo on some nerds.

>>323964759
My standards are also very low, which is why Doom 4 looks sort of okay maybe

>>323964648
Two Halo's are on PC and are mostly a breeze.

>>323963768
>Halo at least has fun and varied gamemodes,
>Doom 4 doesn't
What? Are you seriously thinking that just because the Alpha only features one game mode that Doom 4 doesn't have more game modes? It's been confirmed since day 1, there have been interviews talking about some of them. You can even make new modes in SnapMap.

>>323964358
see: >>323962706

They're only "focusing" on it because these Alphas and the upcoming Beta are a way to fill time until the game is released. They don't want to give too much about the singleplayer away so they're not showing much of it.

It's having a negative effect on some peoples' perception of the game, but not much you can do about that.

>>323964819
Everyone knows that games nowadays are designed for 8 year olds. Even games labeled as Mature. It's just how the industry is, considering how popular videogames have become.

>>323965043
>implying you needed aim in original Doom either

>>323965196
Well if they wanted to show off just one gamemode they could have at least picked a good one instead of

>spawn loadouts
>no weapons on map

>>323965043
Console Dooms felt a bit more on a grid because strafing and turning at the same time is a bit difficult.

>Why can't Doom just get a slower console spinoff and leave the rest of us alone?
This alienates the console players and cuts sales down because PC would be getting the real version.

Or consoles get the real version.

The main point about not having two versions like this is that it pisses off one side and cuts potential sales from both markets.

>>323964648
You sound like you're fucking awful at both.

>>323964648
>being a cripple is more hardcore than being a normal human
>therefore all must be cripples

>>323965042
SIKKMOD LMAO
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>>323965290
You did horizontally.

>>323965318
I remember reading that Battlefield Bad Company 2 and BF3 had way different balance between PC and Console, and it didn't seem to bother anybody

But you already said, if being fast paced is a turnoff for console players, why would they be mad about missing out on a fast version?

>>323965339
There's more variation between different games, than there are between the two control methods.

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>>323956392
>>implying bfg was bad
It used the 360 textures on the PC when the originals were better. The rerelease was a downgrade visually.

>>323965471
Judging by these webms, the need for aim is about just as big.

>>323965196
>Snapmap is a huge fucking selling point
>They say almost nothing besides someone made a piano and a wave based mode
>They don't release a beta of snapmap

>Won't talk about the singleplayer up until this month
>Happy to talk about the shitty one mode of multiplayer instead

Somebody fire their PR, please.

>>323957731
I never really played Doom for the multiplayer

>>323964938
Oh fuck that I thought it might have native support

>>323965629
True, but generally games have very similar physics and gunplay on both the MP and SP

If the SP is anything like this, it's not very encouraging

>>323965471
> if being fast paced is a turnoff for console players, why would they be mad about missing out on a fast version?

Because they don't have the true version of the game.
Instead of playing Doom the way it is, they are coddled and would play the simpler easier one.

Nobody likes this feeling even if they don't do good at games to begin with.

People still get assblasted if a game suggests an easier difficulty after failing.
Sometimes they write entire articles about it, like with Ys Oath in Felghana.

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>>323965449

what you jelly your computer cant handle it


man i can get like a silky smooth 30fps if i get rid of the relief shader, until enemies show up on screen

>>323965664
If it had native support nobody would play on controllers.

>>323964648
I'm biting, but only to let you know that I hate you.

FUCK ALL OF YOU THIS WILL BE THE BEST SHOOTER THIS YEAR I THINK THE ALPHA WAS GREAT FUCK YOU ALL

YES IT ISNT AS FAST AS OLDSCHOOL DOOM
YES IT ISNT AN OLD SCHOOL ARENA SHOOTER
YES IT HAS A LOT OF MODERN SHIT IN IT
YES THE CAMPAIGN LOOKS HEAVILY INSPIRED BY BRUTAL DOOM

STILL LOOKS BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER SHOOTER THAT IS COMING OUT AND CAME OUT RECENTLY (except UT 4 but I am not sure when we will see a full release I play the beta all the time though if /v/ wants to get together sometime I'm always free hehehe, guys?)

I think it looks fun as fuck and is my most anticipated game right now.

>>323965318
Worked for GRAW and I dont think anyone was alienated
Still didnt please the more spergy fans of the original, even though it was fucking better

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>>323965785
If console players can't handle harder games then why is stuff like DMC and Dark Souls popular on consoles? Both games are btw harder than Doom 1 & 2 on Ultraviolence.

As for the floatiness in Doom 4's gunplay, I recognize it, but it's inherent to full 3d-shooters. Has been in since Quake. Quake had the same awful floaty feeling that most shooters have ever since had. The 3d models just usually don't feel like they take properly damage.

>>323966114

there are numerous 3d shooters that dont feel floaty

>>323966219
Such as?
>inb4 Half-Life

>>323958115
>not getting as close as possible with the super

lolwut. you play like DSP and then go THIS GAME SUCCCCKKKSS DDDOOOOOOODDD

fucking newfags.

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>>323966114
>DMC and Dark Souls
>harder than Doom 1 & 2 on Ultraviolence

>>323966261

nothing made on either source engine for sure


lets start with an easy one, quake 3

>>323966114
Dark souls isnt hard

>>323965476
There's also room for slower, more strategic gameplay even when you factor in the fact that aiming isn't gimped. The biggest fucking MP shooter on PC right now doesn't have people "Just running in and clicking on heads".

Also, that was a kneejerk response so I missed this part:
>C&C Renegade and AVP2 have strategic depth

You're fucking killing me, guy.

>>323966418
Neither is 97 percent of the levels on UV.

>>323966270
You really think I'm the player in these webms?

>>323966114
>DMC and Dark Souls
Only one has first person aiming, and it's devoted entirely to cheese.
Are you pulling our legs with this drivel?

>>323966270
Watch other webms, they DO get up close and the damage never exceeds 60

The regular shotgun in Doom 1 and 2 is more powerful than this

>>323966446
Not him buy avp2 is really good

Either way you are all feeding a retard who shows up in threads with a vendetta against pcs, just fyi you cant beat his autism

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>>323966446
Didn't say they had any more than other PC-shooters, but at least they were fun and didn't pretend to be esports or similar autistic bullshit.

>>323959981
>grenade button
nothing wrong with that though

>>323955192
It will be a solid game, /v/ is overly dramatic about everything.

It probably won't be amazing though.

>>323966578
You will probably play just as shit

My favorite part of the alpha was all the guys talking going "this shit doesn't feel like Doom at all this game sucks" then their score was like 4-14.

"I cannot suck at a video game, therefore it sucks"

>>323966114
When they say floaty they're not referring to gunplay. They're referring to movement and physics, which is floaty as fuck as if there was low gravity. Not even similar to Quake.

>>323966114
>DMC and Dark Souls are more challenging than what the Doom community puts themselves through

NOOOPE.
Not going to debate that console players can handle harder games if they're genres that work on controller, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf1qjn9GjuI
I love DMC and Souls games but the difficulty doesn't compare to what well-designed Doom2 content can do at all.

>>323955192
what the fuck is that imp doing on the left

>>323966775
>grenades at all

That's the issue.

Why shoehorn a device made to force your enemies to move out of cover into a game where you're supposed to be moving at all times?

it will be 4 hours long...

>>323966568
I agree but at least they're fun, dark souls gets easy as fuck 2 hours in and the challenge goes away, its all about the exploration

>>323966817

the gunplay looks pretty floaty like halo

i mean i know its a gamepad, but even like cod doesnt look this floaty on consoles

>>323955192

Eh, slightly. The guns still looked to be a bit floaty with no real weight to them from what I saw in the videos

>>323966848
>well designed content
Could you post some? Because I only got the link to Sunlust.

>>323966848
Slaughtermaps aren't really a great example of good Doom difficulty. It's "how many invulns can I pick up while spamming the BFG"

>>323966114
>If console players can't handle harder games then why is stuff like DMC and Dark Souls popular on consoles?
They play to the strengths of a controller instead of the weaknesses.

FPS games with a lot of buttons used is harder on a controller, then you slap in the need for precision(Unless Doom 4 has autoaim, correct me if this is the case) and the need to move and shoot and it will be harder as a result.

So the pacing will have to be slower by design to accommodate for these.
DMC needs a different kind of precision, and Dark Souls doesn't really require a lot of precise inputs and is more about positioning and timing.

It is less about the amount of challenge a game provides and more about why a game is made easier.

If Doom 4 is designed for a console first then the encounters will be easier as a result. No big deal to console players because it's designed this way.
If Doom 4 is the easier version of the game compared to the PC because of the controller then it becomes an issue because they are being coddled and nobody likes that.

Console parity is a thing for a reason.

DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED WITH A CONTROLLER
5 METERS AWAY ON A TV
SLOW

>>323966770
Strategic depth isn't a prerequisite for being good, AVP2 and Renegade are both great. But given this mongoloid is making an appeal to skill in videogames that's fucking hilarious because there's almost no skill involved in either title at all.

>>323966774
I think Counter-Strike and Quake have gone beyond pretending, bruh.

>>323966710
>what is the melee button

You get close enough to shoot and melee its pretty much an instakill in the alpha I always did
>get close
>shoot static
>switch to super shoot as fast as possible
>melee

Pretty much the same tactic as shotty with rail in quake except it shoots slower than the shotty in Quake so you replace the second shot from quake with the melee but I usually just gaunted a guy instead of second shotted for the humiliation.

>>323956093
Every now and then I read a post that just leaves me agape.

These are the people that surf /v/.

>>323967047
Not that anon but here's some I've greatly enjoyed lately

>Going Down
>Swift Death for non-slaughtermap difficulty
>Scythe and Scythe 2
>Plutonia 2 and Plutonia RCP
>UAC Ultra
>Back to Saturn X and 2

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>>323967058
There's 1 invuln in Go Fuck Yourself.

>>323967197
The point is you shouldn't have to need melee or any of that shit. The guns themselves should be powerful. Everything else is redundant.

Weak guns in a fucking Doom game is a sin. Even Doom 3 had a powerful shotgun.

>>323967032
>>323966968
How in the fuck does "floaty" describe fucking gunplay? That only applies to movement and physics.

How about it looks "slow" or one of your generic buzzwords like shit. Floaty makes no fucking sense.

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>>323957030
Goldeneye/PD was equally as good as Doom. The two different styles could have easily co-existed. The problem is bullet sponge enemies where everything has instant hitscan, not the more grounded style.

>>323967460
>Even Doom 3 had a powerful shotgun.

It felt powerful but it was undone because the sound was pathetic.

>>323967243
You never witnessed try hards anywhere else on the internet??

>>323967573
>poof

>>323955192

plz be more like the old school game dear lord all i want is nightmare speed runs and carnage again

>>323967460
So you are mad that you have to do an extra input? What are you a fucking casual?

>doom haters confirmed for shit taste
>I WANT IT TO BE EASIER FOR ME

>>323967638
>every once in a while

Can you read?

>>323967675
Are you memeing or serious

>>323967047
Sorry about that one time Sunlust shoved 5 cyberdemons up your butthole, it must've scarred you for life.

>>323956729
>Implying that's the color they will use in the end

Not enough brown

>>323955192
the multilpayer is fucked SP might be alright most likely better than recent shooters which isn't saying much it's still pretty obvious there are problems there too though

>>323967475
Its hard to explain but think of something like killing floor vs l4d. Kf feels tight as fuck and has a great punch to weapons while l4d is more loose and weapons are eh and have a weak feeling, hence floaty

>>323967715
I thouht you refered specifically to /v/. My bad

>>323964414
>Cheating in the worst of ways. I've been playing fps for about 15 years, was even recruited to play pro. I stopped playing on PC because of the constant cheating, if people think that KB users aren't cheating, if they are willing to go that far, they will go as far as loading software on their PS4 and Xbox to give you superior aim assist bots. Reason why I stopped playing on PC was that it became the norm, I also have come across auto assist bots on latter versions of the console as well though not nearly as often as in the PC world.

I can't breathe

>>323967573
I'd prever that over all bark and no bite.

>>323968559
I prefer it to feel and sound powerful, not settling for shit.

>>323968390
>its real
Holy fucking keks

>>323968634
I'd prefer it to actually BE powerful.

>>323968674
Which is exactly what I was saying.

>>323968726
And despite the sound Doom 3 shotgun actually was powerful, oneshotting players and pinky demons alike

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>>323966114
>dark souls
>hard

Didn't know one boss made an entire game hard.

>>323969047
I never denied that the gun wasn't good in terms of gameplay and I even said it felt powerful. I said the illusion is broken when you shoot it and it sounds like someone sharted into a bucket. How are you not grasping what I'm saying?

>>323969053
What was that hard boss because I literally finished the game 2 hours ago and I did not run into it

Those 2 black phantom minstrels in des 1-3 are harder than any boss from das AND des

>>323969263
Ben & Jerry is the only boss in the entire game that could possibly be constituted as difficult.

>>323969496
Not if you let the fat guy for second

>>323958952
>There's never gonna be a game that feels as fast as Doom did.

You were doing so well too.

Almost made a whole post without being completely fucking retarded.

>>323963523
just because they were your first shooters doesn't make them nostalgia fag