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>speak to Minfillia at the Waking Sands

>>323529026
>that MSQ where the scions move to mor dhona
>the next three quests still require you to go to vesper bay anyway

Now that I think about it, X|V has some of the worst quests in the genre.

Game is shit, maybe it's a quest to delete it's main servers

>>323529228
There's a charm to it, I just can't figure out what it is.

>>323529573
It's the GTAIV of MMOs.

>>323530108
It's more like the Morrowind of MMOs.

>>323529125
I actually yelled at the screen. I was happy to get out of that shit hole becuase of the travel involed (even the shortcut required several loading screens)

>>323527504
Just resubbed

Having a blast with BLM at 60, I used to play DRG

Might even start raiding Savage Alex again

>>323529223
At first I thought it was really nice that they tried to cut down on the "kill X enemies" shit, but soon I came to miss actually being allowed to engage in combat instead of spending 99% of my time from 1 to 60 running from place to place.

Reading and being engaged in the story does help a little, but even then, so much of the story is literally just filler to justify sending you all over the place. That questline to unlock Titan was downright infuriating.

I love Final Fantasy XIV!

>>323529573
It's probably the only MMO right now with a world worth caring about. The 2.0 story got a little silly, but other than that it's been an excellent story to follow from patch to patch and wondering where things will go next. There's a lot of attention to detail, making it rewarding to explore the world and learning how everything fits together. And it has a good visual style and soundtrack that makes it all appealing on the surface.

I think that's why opinions are so polarizing, since while it's possible to appreciate these things, they're not exactly what you expect to be the best parts in an MMO. Many people play it and only see its gameplay issues as an MMO, and end up hating it.

>>323529223
XIV fails to live up to mainline FF game standards in nearly every regard. I'm convinced the game began development as something else.

>>323534908
How do you not know the history of ffxiv?

>>323534908
You're a supreme fucking retard that has apparently never heard of FF XI or the original XIV

PRAY MAKE WAY TO THE WAKING SANDS

IS

AUGHT
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T

AMISS?

>force new players to do every old main quest in the game before you can play the expansion

JUST

I gave up

>>323527504
I never did end up finishing this game even after i maxed all of the crafting except cooking and alchemy

>>323535109
>MUST NEEDS
I hate these expressions so much.

>>323535161
Why are you so eager to play the expansion that you want to skip all other content? It's like complaining that you have to play through the beginning of a game to reach the middle of the game.

>>323535161
This is the one complaint I don't understand
>oh no I get free exp that cuts down on the relatively massive exp droughts late in the 50s poor me

If you don't want to do the story stuff why even play this shitty game

>>323535161
Expansion's not that great. 1 and a half good classes added plus you can't use flying mounts until you 100% the map plus all the MSQ in the area. The way they lock features away in this game is retarded.

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>>323529026
>you have to instance twice to get into Minfillia's office
>FUCKING TWICE

>>323535161
>must finish story to unlock more story
ahwoo

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How much do you love XIV, /v/?

Pic related, it's hanging on my wall

>>323531639
Who is this

>>323532440
I just want the game's graphics to look like its concept art.

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>>323537512
Get that shit off your wall for pic related.

>>323537851
I have that too, faggot. And the SE of Heavensward.

>>323537627
What do you mean

Bump

Shiva's theme is great

Surely there are better ways than having to have your pay monthly subscriptions to play.

Do servers really cost that much to maintain?

>>323539472
It's not servers that are costly, it's paying dev team to release regular updates that aren't just cash shop items that is.

>>323537512
>How much do you love XIV, /v/?
I honestly hate it. It's emblematic of everything wrong with the japanese game industry. I only resub to spend time with some friends but it is legitimately in the bottom 20 games I've ever played.

>>323539651
Is the any reason to choose standard sub over entry sub if im only gonna plah on character

>>323539709
>It's emblematic of everything wrong with the japanese game industry

Tell us how you hate Japanese games.

>>323539790
*play one character

And i didnt mean to reply

>>323539651
Reminder that ffxi gets updates more often than ffxiv
>>323539790
No

>>323539915
XIV gets updates every 3-4 months while XI got its last update in August.

>>323529573
It's the sound and visual design, trust me.

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>>323535574
Here's a valid complaint.

>You can't play the 3 new jobs unless you have leveled another class to 50 and done all of the level 50 MSC quests which take forever and have long queues for certain fights.

>>323540058
You have literally no idea what you're talking about

The most recent major update was in November and it was the last story update. The game is still going to receive content updates, in fact it received one last month that added the start of the new relic quests BEFORE ffxiv despite them only being announced relatively recently

>>323539849
I don't hate Japanese games. Jrpg's are my favorite genre but they've been dying for a reason.

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If 3.2 isn't outstanding i have a feeling i might just quit the game unless they add substantial content again. the way they're rationing content right now is horrendous and they're just riding on the success of ARR. i really do hope it doesn't have to die because i've loved this game

>>323539651

bullshit really

If monthly fees go to that - then DONT fucking sell me "expansions" at full price again and again

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>>323540386
>300+ hours of Bismarck
>surely everyone in game is pissed about this
>300 hours isn't even that much really
>i like grinding fates every waking hour of my life
>it's not that much if you don't plan to upgrade it, which you don't have to
>Bismarck doesn't even take that long if you have a good group
>please look forward to it

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I've been questioning my choice to resub. My group of friend and I made a free company. Their worst sides have all come out in this one game. We are a group of individuals and there's no unity there. Our group that is all about team work and doing things to help each other now only cares about themselves pretty much.

>mfw friends are offering people gil because our friends are to busy to help them

It kills me to see how bad it had become after coming back from my six month break. A break I took because of how bad it was before.

>>323540961
Why would you ever do Bismarck except to unlock ravana

>>323540772
>play ARR up to lvl 56
It starts off nice but the sheer inflexibility of the character customization hits you like a brick when the MSQ starts slowing down. What's the fucking point in playing an mmoRPG when you can't even build your PC to your specifications.

I get really irritated with how my character just stands there during cutscenes when they should be able to beat the shit out of everything and instantly solve a bunch of problems before they happen. I mean, why the fuck do they just stand there.

>>323541262
>ARR
>56
what? are you ok anon? you might need sleep

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>>323540772
That's what these devs do. The game relies on ilvl rather than skill. Once the next raid comes out Savage Mode will once again be gated off until you have the proper gearset. Even if you have all the mechanics down perfectly, well sorry you're only ilvl 200 instead of 201 which this raid is programmed for.

It really is just the most blatant and shameless way of prolonging the life of content literally making it impossible to do based on token gear.

I still remember the world first fcs figured out in ARR they could only do 1000 dps, but the fight was geared for 1001 so there was no point in trying for that week until they could get the next piece of gear. It's sad that this is continuing to be the standard for this MMO. If you unsub or forget a week of getting tokens you're fucked and feel obligated to catch-up which makes it even worse.

tl;dr
Fuck this game and fuck yoship for ruining it.

>>323541457
I have the expansion but i didn't get to HW because the game was boring as shit in between ARR / HW.

>>323535574
>Massive EXP droughts
You get almost 1 million EXP from a single dungeon run these days.

>Pugging Thordan EX

After hundred wipes on Thordan Ex this feels like Titan Ex all over again.

>>323540772
Its not going to be amazing and it never will be. They'll always stay on this trend of releasing dungeons, trials and raids in waves. That's all there is to do. There is no open world content that isn't mindless grinding or zerging and thats not worth it anyway.

If you stay up-to-date on content as it comes out you will quickly find yourself bored again. The best way to play this game is to not play it for a very long period of time and then resub for a month or two to play everything that you've missed.

I feel bad for people who still do hardcore raiding. They have it the worst because they clear shit the first week and then have literally nothing to do for months.

>>323541661
>The game relies on ilvl rather than skill.
Because you can just walk into Savage in 209 you got from Diadem or poverty farthings or whatever and just stomp the place, right?

Oh wait, no, you can't, you have to develop the group strategy, align your class' abilities with layout of the fight and then consistently perform.

Welp, so much for ilvl.

>>323541661
The most insane example was probably A3S, and it wasn't actually that bad. People got it on reset day of the second week with no actual new gear, and had a 0.5% wipe the night before. Just had to work a little more.

A4S was a bit more gated, but more problems stemed from nisi hitting unfairly hard on top of other unavoidable damage, making it a healing nightmare who to actually pass it to. It seemed like it definitely was tuned for you to have full 210 left to do in that manner.

>>323541980
He's right about the ilvl part though at the very least. A3S was literally impossible the first week because it wasn't possible to do the damage needed to win. Next week they got 1 fucking piece of eso and cleared it within a few hours of the reset.

Shit is retarded that stats are so constrained like that.

>>323541385
The cutscene right after Bismark is a great example. The Acsian lady locks you in place and you can't do shit, yet later you fight her and Lahabrea at the same fucking time when story wise nothing about you changed.
That shit is downright infuriating. Fuck look at 3.1 with the WoD and co, they're doing cool ass shit and you're just standing around doing fucking nothing. You, the chosen one Warrior of Light who has killed 10-22 primals depending on how you want to look at it, but you do fucking nothing while the scions fight your battle. SE made the PC too strong and too important for the shit they show in cutscenes.

>>323542151
It wasn't just the gear, it was also practice and optimization, one body piece cannot compensate between 15% to enrage and a clear.

But even so, what's the big fucking deal? That's the idea of progression - you obtain gear to be able to do better. Performance = Equipment x Skill.

>>323542265
You should look at it like this:

You don't have to do shit in the cutscene because you know and your character knows that you're bout to beat the bounce outta their step in a few seconds anyway.

I just imagine my character standing there thinking "I wish a nigga would"

>>323542343
Where is the skill exactly in this game?

You just buff the shit out of everything and then get to work on your global cooldown skillset.

>>323542151
>He's right about the ilvl part though at the very least
No he's not, I see people all the time with ilevel 210 that still manage to do sub 800 DPS.

How the fuck do you even manage that to not do at least 1200DPS as a fucking DRG, MNK or NIN?

>>323542442
Did you just not read anything what I've said?

>>323542343
They weren't having trouble with practice and optimization. When you're consistently wiping at 0.5%-1% thats not a practice or optimization issue. That's blatantly a gear not having enough stats issue. Just further proves the point when they literally got a single piece each, went in there and fucking killed it.

Fuck off. ilvl is the dumbest shit.

>>323537851
Dat sexy black mage yo

>>323542457
We're talking about actual competent people raiding. Not retarded russians that don't know how to hit a button.

Yes, ilvl matters when it comes to your damage. A lot.

How helpful would it be for a raid scholar to meld accuracy materia onto crafted gear? DPSing with 350 accuracy is really unreliable.

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>>323542561
Russians don't play this game, they're too busy spamming cyka blyat in DotA. Don't try and deflect that most of the casual retards are console fatburgers.

>>323542501
Again, so what? Gear exists to make you stronger and you need to be this tall to make it past a certain fight. This is a mechanic existing in... let's see, EVERY FUCKING RPG ON THE PLANET. You aren't fighting Zeus in leather armor, you need Enchanted Plate of Awesome so that he doesn't wreck your ass! At least you could say that hard enrage is stupid, and then we could have a meaningful discussion, being angry at gear gates is retarded.

>>323542561
>Yes, ilvl matters when it comes to your damage. A lot.
Absolutely not, the damage increase from 200 to 210 is so minimal it shouldn't even be accounted.

>>323542561

Hows regular, guild raiding in FFXIV?
I mean technically, do people gather at 20:00 and raid for hours like it was in WoW the last time I played it?

What's a raid

>>323542843
When it comes to progression raiding, yes, that's a thing (although Japanese frequently play as a community, developing common strategies and just picking up whoever's available on the server, but that's Japan for you)

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>>323541930
>people who still do hardcore raiding

Fuck. they must know the true meaning of suffering. getting their 210 gear within the first few weeks to a month while currently one of the only things to do is void ark to grab welfare farthings and 210 armor and an inhumane relic grind for something they already got a better weapon than

>>323542843
>Hows regular, guild raiding in FFXIV?
>I mean technically, do people gather at 20:00 and raid for hours like it was in WoW the last time I played it?
Depends.

If its a hardcore progression guild you will be going 16+ hours a day until the first kills are done.

After that it will settle down into what everyone else does which is you meet with your group on certain days and do progression for 3+ hours however long you wanna go. Hardcore statics usually go for 4 or more hours depending on the group.

Once you guys have it on farm you just meet up one day, clear shit and you're done for the whole week.

>>323542807
>Actually being this retarded

Shitter who doesn't use BiS detected.

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>>323543056
>fflogs literally disproving you your faggotry.

>>323542940
>>323542981

Good atleast some things don't change

>16hours

that needs a word other than hardcore I think, autisticNEET level could be a good one

I felt like an autistic neet raiding 4-6 hours a day for 7 days in TBC, and still doing 5 mans when not.

>>323543126
Trash will always be trash

>>323543213
>fflogs
>trash
They maybe tryhards but they at least know how to play their class unlike you apparently.

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I just started playing this game

>>323542151
They didn't have time to do that. They literally went back into Alexander after they woke up, didn't grind any eso. They also had a 0.5% wipe the night before (with things not being perfect).

Also, week 1 was i185 with an i190 weapon. You're damn right it's going to be tight. That would be like doing T4 at i65 with an i70 weapon. This isn't just undergeared, it's insanely undergeared.

>>323543134
That's hardcore progression raiding for you.

When I went for Absolute Virtue world first in XI I went 8 hours - swapped with someone to go work - came home went another 8 - slept 2 - went another 8. This was all one single attempt. We had people being replaced by japanese players on off-hours because of needing to sleep/work. JP/NA players basically played in shifts together for that son of a bitch.

The first legit kill ended up happening without even fully knowing his mechanics.

>>323543341
You still have no idea what you're talking about. Keep thinking that your shitter i200 welfare gear is acceptable though.

>>323543056
>Implying I use BiS
>Implying I didn't grind dinos while watching anime to get a set beyond BiS so I could get an edge on records
You must go even further beyond.

>>323543367
These things freak me out.

>>323543517
>implying I'm talking about Welfare Gear and not Eso Gear mixed with 210 Alex Gear
Go hang yourself you shitter.

>>323543437

I can understand for world first stuff, but not simply "hardcore progression".

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>>323543574
rawr

>>323543367
>Just started yesterday
>Everyone says the game sucks

>>323543583
Keep thinking your i200 welfare gear is acceptable.

>>323543759
Game sucks if you're a current player because you have nothing of value to do.

If you're new, it'll probably be fun. Because everything is new.

Very definition of a theme park.

>>323543134
Oddly enough the months afterwards become way more cushy if you do that. Because you frontload all your time spent in the encounter.

There's some groups that still go 15-20 hours a week trying to get a3s down to this day. The people that cleared the tier in the first couple months basically just do 1 hour (maybe 2 if alts) a week raiding now and then go back to their school/work after, unless they just want to go back and do it for fun.

>>323544136

Just sounds like rushing through it all to me, obviously I don't know exactly how ffxiv works but to me playing an MMO would mean long term effort, not rushing content in a month and then having nothing to do just fun runs afterwards.

>>323544136
The current struggle for high end FCs is keeping the roster together (which is really hard with people quitting and drama all over the place), farming materia to be ready for 3.2 and earning gil (which is hard because content sales are slim right now due to the overall state of the game)

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>>323542790
>Russians don't play this game

You cannot possibly be any more wrong here.
I don't have a say in the current discussions though, because Zodiark has fuckall for good statics so I never progressed even past A1S, despite being a relatively good tank.
That, and I was unsubbed until 3.1, so I wasn't grinding tomes.

>>323544619
I know like, one guild in the Vladivostok general area, they're okay, several Chaos FCs spread around, mostly casual but it's all a drop in the water to make a blanket statements like "Damn those shitty Russkie!" because they don't even come close to the real cancer of XIV (which is French)

>>323544136
>There's some groups that still go 15-20 hours a week trying to get a3s down to this day

I really pity the people who've been putting 20 hours a week into A3S for MONTHS and still don't have it down. They just don't get it.

What they don't get is that it isn't like the other 99% of the fights in the game that are one big memorization gimmick. With fights like that, even shitters will get their clear eventually because they'll have it memorized by the 1000th wipe.

That won't happen with A3S because a lot of the roadblocks tax you more on improvisation and snap decision making instead of dumb memorization. You either have that quality or you don't, if your brain just isn't good enough, you will never pass those checks no matter how many hundreds of hours you throw at it.

If you know someone like that in your static, or you're 'that guy', just turn back now and save your effort. A3S isn't like most fights that eventually give you a consolation clear after putting in effort - it's all skill.

How is the story?

>>323544785
Holy shit we've had so many applicants come and fuck around in A3S with different levels of success then they quit in a lockout or two due to stress and demands. It's kinda hilarious. And sad. But mostly hilarious.

>>323544881
The difference between most fights and A3S is kinda like the difference between climbing Mauna Kea and K2.

They may be roughly the same elevation in theory, but one is so gentle your grandma could hike up given enough time, the other can be done much quicker but has an extreme technical barrier.

It really is sad people don't understand the difference because they'll throw themselves at the fight for weeks without understanding why they're not making progress. It's completely fruitless.

>>323535161
What?

Are you a WoWbaby complaining that you can't rush with some OP heritage stuff stuck only doing dungeons?

>>323545129
What's dumb is them looking at things like wash away > digititis, sluice > protean, or magnets > tethers (in the adds phase), and when they fail to get in place in time it was "lag" because the server wouldn't register their last minute pass/position.

No shit the internet doesn't fucking work that way. Be there several seconds ahead of time with a player that isn't moving and suddenly the mechanic becomes really easy. If you only have a strategy that's going to get you into that location 50% of the time, you'll wipe the other 50% where you barely make it and blame it on lag.

People don't like saying that the way they're executing or planning out the encounter is wrong. And they don't like pointing people out that simply aren't learning (and teaching them otherwise/replacing them)

>>323544425
Raiding is a bit different in that retention in groups that go every 2-3 days for 3 to 4 hours each, and keeping people interested for the months required to clear like that is actually difficult. You might be reteaching the encounters multiple times, with people you might not even mesh with very well. Or people's schedules might change. Or you get drama from lack of progress over months. If a3s and a4s were actually easier to facilitate this raiding style like coil was it would work, but it hasn't been. Groups are breaking up left and right.

>>323546041

Yeah I guessed its not as simple as I imagine it to be.

Anyone can chime in on how WoW is these days?
Is the 4-5 raid days formula still going there?

When I think about it, raiding only 1-2 days a week would fit me better, but I still wish I could just raid erry day if I ever found an mmo to be that invested in.

>>323545482

>>323544619 here
What is the difference between A3 and A3S? From what I'm seeing there's no new spells and such, just more damage and hp. Which is a fucking shame because changing things up would be more interesting.

Like making Living Liquid split not just in 2 hands on 2nd phase, but also a small puddle with adds that have to be AOEd fast, or they'll turn into another hand which you have to keep away from the group.
Or tethering 2 pairs of people at once instead of one with magnets and making it possible to transfer the tether from one part of the pair to another so you end up getting +/- +/- , which in my opinion is better than +/+ and -/- combo

Introduce one extra phase for fuck's sake, make people learn something new.

Like, fuck, what is even the point at this rate?

>>323535097
I've played XI and that game felt like a Final Fantasy game. XIV: ARR does not.

Fuck off, Yoshida.

>>323541887
That's what you get for playing on a NA server.
Clearing with pugs on Tonberry was amazing.

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>>323532440
>It's probably the only MMO right now with a world worth caring about.
No it's not. Not after how badly HW is fucking up the game. Repeated major patches with dead end content. Statics are all dead as shit. FCs emptying by the dozen.

I'm just waiting for some other bit waste of time to come along so I can jump ship too, or for everyone else to leave first so I don't feel guilty doing it.

>>323546578
>also a small puddle with adds
>something you have to keep away from the group
>more magnet pairs
>things like hand of pain, digititis are all new mechanics

I'm not sure if you're joking here because everything you mentioned is similar to the extra/harder version of the mechanics you need to deal with in A3S.

You might say A3 is the version of it with those mechanics dumbed down, which is how the devs have stated they go about designing encounters, they create the hardmode first then prune stuff for normal mode.

>>323535161
>Skip story
>get to expansion story
>I DONT UNDERSTAND ANYTHIN????

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>>323547235

Oh.
Well, I should apply as an intern to Squeenix right away then, because I honestly had no idea about A3S mechanics, so I've just assumed what would be more fun to add.
That's nice.

>>323546578
What are you talking about?

>Protean Wave is actually a bait and spread mechanic in A3 savage (it has a second part that has targeted unavoidable cones that must not be doubled). Lots of groups get stuck on Sluice > Protean because of the way it interacts with the amount of space available from the dropsy puddles.
>Digititis is completely new. 3 debuffs that need to be passed by running into people. Lots of people wipe on Wash Away > Digititis.
>Stacking for the hand slaps can't be ignored.
>Hands of Parting/Prayer added. Palm = Together, Fist = Apart. Failing this tank positioning check is a wipe.
>Equal Concentration DPS check added. One hand takes HP from the other. Get them between 4% or lower.
>Stuns/Heavies become a real issue in the adds phase. Coordination is required.
>The healer gaol in cascade 2 is completely new. Heavies/Stuns (taking into account reduction)/Proper use of DPS CDs, and possibly LB might need to be used. Not properly placing the gaol will result in it reaching a puddle and healing, or getting to the electric water faster, enraging it and slapping the party for like 20k.
>Full party magnet pairs require people to not overlap the markers. It can also put the tank out of place (he needs to get back into the center and orient the boss at the right puddle for the next mechanic)
>Embolus orb is completely new. Kite the boss away from it and don't touch it yourself or you wipe.
>Throttle is completely new. Cleanse or die.

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>>323544785
>>323544881
>>323545129
>>323545482
The only part of AS3 that isn't sheer memorization are tethers and adds phase. Everything else can be boiled down to an easily repeated procedure, and adds phase you should be able to brute force with enough dps/gear.

If you don't want to brute force adds, there's still a very easy setup to make adds easier.

Holy shit I bet you're one of those retards who do the north south method on Thordan.

>>323547706
Nah, I use the "git gud" method.

Tethers+Ice take ages to finish, if you can't spread out into different directions in that amount of time, you deserve to die. You don't have to have specific positions like protean wave because of the sheer amount of time you have.

It's more akin to stardust in T9. People found out you could just spread out ahead of time and git gud instead of having some complicated strategy on who goes where. And I heard all kind of crazy strategies for that.

>>323547706
That's the point anon, even the very little bit of improvisation that A3S requires of you is enough to break most people.

Most fights are a varying combination of improvisation and memorization anyway, there's no fight that's purely one and none of the other, no even A3S, it has parts you can commit to memory as you mentioned.

Improvisation just isn't people's strong point. Most players just aren't that good, they approach the game's combat like one long giant script, which renders them completely helpless when they're asked to think outside the box even a little bit.

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I'm more annoyed that a $40 expansion five months after release has less content than monthly updates to a dead MMO in that same time span.

>>323547706
Adds phase has procedure also. Designate DPS to sections of the arena to watch for so everyone is on their own add, and stun priorities/backups line up more gracefully from there without needing full callouts over voice.

The fuck is this north/south thing on Thordan? Never heard of it.

>>323541214
My girlfriend convinced me to play FF14, I didn't really seem interested. We ended up joining an FC and she ended up falling for some autistic guy in like the fucking deep south and began acting like a totally different person.

Pretty much everyone I know who has played ff14 with someone else has had their relationship with that person ruined.

>>323548150
>tfw when you get so overgeared that everybody is fighting for who doesn't have serious overkill in the adds phase
>all adds are dying way before the next set spawns regardless of who gets magneted
>kill order is "what still actually has hp"
>everyone starts losing their stacks because the 4 final adds die almost instantly

This is so backwards to how I progressed on it in early gear. This is going to be so dumb in i230.

>>323544872
2.0 - Genuinely shit
2.1 to 2.55 - Better
HW - OK, sometimes decent

People dump way too much praise on the story in this game, it's generic as fuck and absolutely riddled with inconsistencies, it suffers the worst of both worlds of MMO tropes and JRPG tropes.

>>323548602
People praise the story because the standards for stories in MMOs that specifically revolve around your character are absurdly low.

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>>323546578
>From what I'm seeing there's no new spells and such, just more damage and hp
You should watch a video of it just to see how much bullshit they added over A3 Normal which is an absolutely cakewalk and mechanics-ignorable.


>>323548524
Bette than SCoB where you had to either holdback DPS in T7 or push even harder to skip an entire mechanics cycle.

>>323548032
Except it's not the improvisation breaking groups. Every single mistake possible to make in AS3 is double, or even TRIPLE, punished. Meaning everyone has to be exactly on point every moment. Previous floors can be recovered. AS3 cannot. If anyone fucks up once, you might as well walk in to the water and try again.

That's what gets people.

As I said and as >>323548150 said, even the adds can be scripted to a large extent. That one isn't the only method either. Debuff passing can also be set up so it hardly matters who gets selected for what. That's what my static did.

>>323547949
Just set clock positions. It takes ten seconds, and suddenly even retards can contribute to Thordan. Thought is the death of action. If you have to stop and think about what you need to do you're not busy doing it.

>>323548150
North-South is current PUG method on my server last I heard.

Tethers go one way. Everyone else goes the other. What? All tethers going the same direction then trusting split second judgement to make sure everyone breaks them in time adds unnecessary risk? Ohoho shut up that's how it's done!

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People complaining about doing the story in a mainline FF game are retarded.

You can really tell who the Ex WoW fags are who have never touched another FF game in the series. Stop shitting up the game just because you "don't get it"

>>323548685
The only cool thing I can remember from the entire story from launch to the latest patch was the whole 'primals are idealised concepts rather than genuine gods.' It was speculated for a while but that whole reveal was handled really well.

>>323537851

What business does a dungeon boss have dominating the entire cover?

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>>323548756
>North-South is current PUG method on my server last I heard.
For what, the thing prior to meteors early in the fight?

The brainless method is everyone has assigned cardinal directions for that. The lazy method is to form a circle around the middle and just spread out away from the folks on your left/right.

>>323548756
>Except it's not the improvisation breaking groups. Every single mistake possible to make in AS3 is double, or even TRIPLE, punished

That's why, it's easier to fuck up something you have to improvise because, well, you're improvising - by definition.

I can't remember the last time I fucked up a mechanic that was fully scripted. It just doesn't happen. You don't forget how to breathe do you?

>>323548756
>North-South is current PUG method on my server last I heard.
>Tethers go one way. Everyone else goes the other. What? All tethers going the same direction then trusting split second judgement to make sure everyone breaks them in time adds unnecessary risk? Ohoho shut up that's how it's done!

Well, it's kinda like the reason we have traffic lights and arbitrary rules like stop signs.

Yeah, in a perfect world where everyone is a competent driver you can just let everyone freestyle it and no one will be any the worse for it.

Which ties into improvisation again, people are notoriously bad at it, so why give people a chance to fuck up? Especially in a pug where you can't be sure of the quality of the players.

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>>323549160
Only thing I end up fucking up the odd time is the ferrofluid, but that's because it's a fucking visual mess plus the boss potentially obscuring your partner. Would be loads easier to read at a glance if it only displayed the +/- for your tether, not others.

>>323548982
>The lazy method is to form a circle around the middle and just spread out away from the folks on your left/right.

Pretty much this. You don't need to overcomplicate it unless you're retards. Just spread out then run directly backwards. I remember in Shiva EX and Ravana EX we had the same mechanic, and people actually spread out by themselves without any prior planning required. I didn't even know people used waymarks/preassigned positions for every player to do that simple mechanic for Shiva EX until I joined random pugs months later.

>>323549367
Or you could have a debuff for it and look in your party list how to react to it, like prey. Although that would remove the entirety of the difficulty of the mechanic, and that's spreading out to see the damn things.

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Since I've somehow managed to guess A3S mechanic, here's a mechanic for a raid that I've been thinking about for a while.

Take Ravana, then switch things up. Remove Final Liberation completely. Keep the first phase as it is, keep the Swift Liberation in.

After Swift Liberation, at about 50% of Ravana's HP separate the party in 2 groups - one remains on the platform where Ravana cycles through Blinding Blade/Tapasya/Seeing X and Atma Linga.

The other party gets flung into Ravana's pocket dimension, something like endless battlefield (think chrysalis, only without the time limit), where they have to fight adds in order to constantly weaken Ravana (because it would be hard to survive blinding blade and Atma Linga with only 4 people) and/or giving buffs for the rest of the party. Switch parties again at 25%, now making it that killing certain adds would raise Ravana's Bloodlust.

I just like the idea of splitting groups and pocket dimensions, don't judge me
I bet I just described a fight in a coil or something, because I never bothered to go there as well

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>>323534908
It is more a 'classic' FF than any of the recent FF, including XV. And yes, they are milking it shamelessly for that nostalgia factor.

>>323527504
I personally preferred the older Medal of Honor games.

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>>323537512
I don't play anymore

>>323527504
Oh boy, what am I fetching this time?

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>>323548982
Balmung is not a smart server. My static is one of the only ones around that uses the brainless clock method. Everyone we take in to it to help get weapons is initially shocked at the difference before vastly preferring it.

Yes this is also the server we are doing savage on. You have no idea how hard it is finding quality individuals.

Worst part is our WHM vanished without a trace. We can't even raise him on his cellphone. He's just gone. Guess how likely it is we'll find a replacement willing to experience true JOY with us.

>>323549160
We get lag deaths, really. I know haha shitters blame lag. Our BLM had video evidence of them and the tank swapping debuffs from several yards away. They were thrown in to different sectors by wash away too. There is no point they ever could have crossed, and they swapped debuffs midway to their positions. I repeat, wash away threw them in to totally different sectors. They never should have been close to each other.

But really only a fraction of runs are thrown away due to the instance servers for balmung being toasters. Still really fucking annoying.

I'm thankful I'm just the MCH. If server drops an input, no one will probably know.

>>323549339
It's stupid, but Mister Happy said to use NORTH SOUTH so that's what PUGs did.

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>>323537512
I have this cup, and a carbuncle and moogle plush, along with a Dissidia Wallscroll because Y'Shtola is on it.

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>>323549513
Shiv/Rav EX you wanted to designate quadrants, otherwise your healers are going to want to let you die when you get unnecessary AoEs overlapping.

>>323549694
You do get a positive or negative debuff icon for it, unfortunately so do the other seven folks in the party.

That said, delayed wipes led to some pretty good laughs in A3S early progression.

>>323549882
>Shiv/Rav EX you wanted to designate quadrants, otherwise your healers are going to want to let you die when you get unnecessary AoEs overlapping.
Many groups that were farming it early day one did not assign anything, and did not overlap, because they had brains. For all 3 fights.

>>323542151
I actually don't mind stuff that is impossible being in a game. More than anything it gives the whole thing a more epic feeling. Wasn't there an XI boss that took a raid group 72 hours to kill and in the end they wiped? Ultima online was also full of these things. It makes the world feel a lot more dangerous and gives people things to strife for.

But I suppose people now want to get everything an instant. As soon as a patch is downloaded their inventory needs to be full of all the new loot.

>>323550120
I call bullshit on that since there's not enough time in ShivEx to react and try to pick a spot the other two folks with AoE circles on them are going to.

RavEX swift lib gives you no room to not try and squeeze a third AoE circle in one quadrant unless you want to both eat a 3k/tic burn dot from the X on the floor, and MPK whoever you're overlapping your circle with.

>>323550238
>RavEX swift lib gives you no room to not try and squeeze a third AoE circle in one quadrant
You can actually make a triangle and not have them overlap. It's pretty strict.

>>323550120
Agree on Rav, Shiv/Ex needed at least everyone to have a general idea where to move. I remember having a macro that quickly divided the party when pugging.

They nailed pug dutys with the first incarnation of the bridge assault thingy though. Trivial enough so you dont need a coordinated group, but still hard enough that people needed to at least communicate the basics.

>>323549703
It's an original idea, actually.
Granted, we're getting Fiend next patch as the next big boss battle, so who knows.
I'm personally thinking we'll just be getting Ferrofluid again with his polarity, and Thordan stole his Northern Cross because lolwhythefucknot.

>>323549738
Random references most WoW fags wont get doesn't make it a classic Final Fantasy game.

>>323550493
The peak of the triangle with three AoEs in one section overlaps the other sections and will clip anyone else not hugging the corners of the triangle closest to the wall.

>>323549790
>0/6 Innocent non-hostile Dingbat Lizards slaughtered

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>>323548685
Hahah this is true. I met a married woman in the game, started playing with her. Turns out she was in an open marriage and had been seeing another guy. They broke up, and I got in. Fucked her good.

Long story short. She is divorcing her husband, we live together and I tell her she cannot play the game anymore.

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One year they'll let us have the less shitty environment/prop textures on PC.

>>323550810
>>323548383
Whoops. Meant to pick this guy.

>>323550847
>Thancred
>Can't use magic and thus can't teleport
>This is after reintroducing catwaifu except now she's blind waifu and uses MAGIC TO SEE.

What special snowflake bullcrap will the next reintroduced scion come back with, you figure?

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Dear anons,

Where can I get Heavensward for cheap (non EU)?
I've been trying to get back into FFXIV but I don't wanna spend 40 dollars to get the exp...

Do I actually need the exp?

>>323550847
I don't think that will make the actual game less shit.

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>>323550981
I have no idea why they redesigned the Scions. They seemed fine to me.

>tfw somehow made it to 50 before the expansion and still don't understand the game

I'm pretty sure I'm brain dead or something.

>>323551081
They just needed more screen time. ARR an on the scions barely DID ANYTHING. If you watch cutscenes from the beforetime (which I didn't play personally) they seem a lot more interesting and generally competent.

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>>323550981
Well....
Urianger is an Allagan which Alisaie is aware of. Yda/Papalymo will get some bullshitted 'flaws' as well given their tease as slaves.

Game is ok. I've had fun with Savage Gordias but it kinda bums me that any casual can get i210 gear with relative ease.

>>323551161
They were with the Ala Mhigo Resistance anon, not slaves.

>>323549868
Even if you look at his initial kill (and several early kills in fact), they just spread out from the center, adjusted, and made sure tethers were far enough away to do minimal damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKAgsW2VRs#t=4m30s

>>323551201
>being upset that casuals can get welfare gear

who cares they still can't clear savage anyway and get the mount/achievement

>>323551106
The story has too much filler fetch quests that make you forget what it's about.

I could tell you the summary of every other FF game but not XIV.

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>>323551330
Why do they need the gear if they can't clear Savage then?

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>>323551081
To shred them of their 1.0 variants, and also to sell their old barely-different-from-normal-armor gear on the Mogstation.

>>323551201
Casuals need i350 to do comparable DPS to someone that's cleared Savage Alex in i210, so who cares about gear value when it's made obsolete so frequently.

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>you will never marry a c@

>>323542442
>buff the shit

Have you played the game?

This is not FFXI where you stack buffs and then do one bug fucking hit while hoping RNG doesn't fuck you in the ass and stunning shit.

You are REQUIRED to memorize boss patterns and do an optimal rotations in order to win.

>>323551158
Agreed. 1.0 cutscenes were pretty awesome, considering most of them used full mo-cap. Too bad the gameplay was pretty atrocious.

>>323551405
Quick. Try to summarize XIV.

>>323551158
1.0 like XI before it, just have you as the adventuring companion, and it was the story NPCs who moved shit along.

In ARR you're praised as the warrior of light in every fucking cutscene, now go fetch some grapes so we can make wine for this feast before we let you kill Titan.

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>>323551201
Shitters can have their welfare. I will still and forever be the one and only BEST IN SLOT MCH on the server cause I was the only support dps too stubborn to swap back to bard.

Casuals can suck my dick.

In my day we had to drag our genitals over broken glass for our deeps. Uphill. Both ways.

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>>323537512
sup bitch

>>323551670
The warrior of light is an asshole and the Garleans were right, despite the warrior of light being brainwashed by the scions to do their bidding because of the gift of the echo.

Hydaelyn is also playing you like a pawn.

>>323551759
All they need to do is give MCH more impromptu burst potential and it'll be fine. That job is fucked if you need to zerg an add down because of how all their buffs need to line up with Wildfire's CD to make the most of it.

so they're gonna nerf the fuck out of scholar right?

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>>323551759
Did you have to farm for the stupid fucking Anima relic to get your BiS. Because I don't want to have to grind my ass through this shit completely unrelated to raiding to get my gear needed for raiding.

>>323551959
They already did.

>Pet scales worse at lvl60 than it did at 50
>Lustrate nerf
>Being 150 under the acc cap for raiding unless you want to murder your main stat to meld a fuckton of acc

It and WHM are in a great spot. It's just AST is basically the BLM of healers where they have to work their fucking ass off just to only get comparable results to others in their role.

>>323551759
>Swap back to bard
Have they fixed bard yet?

How does this game compare to other titles in the series? Should it have been mainline?

>>323551947
I try to repeat this to my static all the time and they try to say I'm exaggerating. You're speaking to the choir, my friend. Though really I'd settle for some kind of answer to FOES. I can work around the burst bullshit, really I can. So can other MCHs if they GIT GUD. The thing is you'll never match the sheer utility of a BARD thanks to foes.

I wasn't even allowed to try bard for the longest time, and now I'm banned from playing bard in the static because of a minor mishap I had one week.

Now I'm too gear and skill invested to swap. I have played MCH in AS3 while asleep so well no one noticed I drifted off till I said something about it later. I don't have the strength of will to learn another class that completely.

>>323551962
MCH relic is currently worse than THORDAN weapons, even. It's fucking skill speed.

>>323552193
What do you think is broken?

>>323551947
Isn't it better to use your buffs whenever they are up after the initial burst when the fight lasts longer than 5 minutes and a few second?

My biggest grief with MCN is the little phase where you soley have to rely on your proccs. Spamming the first combo part over and over and hoping to get lucky is really bad.

>>323552207
Worst story progression in the series, and the story is kinda meh to begin with since it tries to serve you fanservice on a platter instead of trying to be its own thing.

>>323551759
>In my day we had to drag our genitals over broken glass for our deeps. Uphill. Both ways.

>bragging about being BiS in a modern MMO

>>323552245
Assuming ideal raid setup, I always figured MCH's Physical down is their answer to Foes, since it's a 5% reduction for 5 classes constantly attacking the mob (two tanks, two melee, mch), vs. Foe's 10% for the sole caster and sch, and whatever the whm can manage to squeeze in.

>>323552276
Every other Wildfire your big CDs will all line up with it basically, and that's when you stack everything and basically do your opener again.

>>323552094
But BLM is in an extremely good place right now.

>>323552481
Battle Voice and Rain of Death exists.

>>323552094
>pet scales worse at lvl 60
Well as long as they don't nerf it further. Whispering dawn is still stronger than medica 2 (70ish potency regen tics) while embrace is still the best regen in the game (200ish potency heals, literally free). Esunaga is also a very nice thing that can make them required for certain scenarios.

>listrate nerf
Not really a nerf since it came with certain advantages, and in reality all three healers suffered from this change. Lustrate is still the best instant heal with Tetra being the worst.

>acc cap
I really don't consider this a nerf since they said they would eventually add accuracy to healer gear but it does suck.

I am more worried about them nerfing scholar further due to how good it is. They tried to keep it balanced by making their shields about 100hp weaker than AST's but they still have crit honus and deployment. Then theres the freakishly high mp costs that scholars have compared to all other healers which is supposed to justify literally free fairy and aetherflow, but its still hardly a problem.

Eos lets them be a WHite mage wjile still having everything that makes scholar good and Selene is pretty much the same benefit as bringing an AST except better because of aoe esuna.

I'm worried that they will make scholar spells ridiculously weak (like 20% weaker) in order to justify nocturnal sect AST.

>>323552586
Only when they're allowed to training dummy a boss and not get targeted by any aoes or mechanics.

>>323552094
Still salty they phased acc out of healer gear. Being expected to dps in raiding was really fun.

>>323552481
As far as i know battle voice doubles foes, so that might make it slightly better for raids, aswell as it bieng on the boss longer than whatever the MCH has.

>>323552663
Sharpcast/random procs, Swiftcast, slidecasts, Manaward/Manawall, and Aetherial Manipulation all exist.

>>323552709
I always figured any bonus you'd get from BV'd Foes would be outweighed by their DPS hit when having to Ballad/Paeon, vs. the Turret just losing auto-attack for a MCH.

>>323552481
I've ran savage with both, I notice larger dps increases with bard.

I think that battle voice has a lot to do with it.

That being said, MCH provides way better mp/tp regen.

>>323552481
Foes is just plain better, sadly. We did a side by side comparison with me swapping to bard one day (after I begged enough to be allowed to try ONCE). Despite me doing less damage than our tank because of gear and skill disparity, foes kept our global dps nearly identical.

>>323552276
>>323552576
I've tried different strings exhaustively, and this is the best conclusion I came to before I got fed up with parsing.

As a preliminary note, all your CDs (baring a select few) are very short so there's no reason to 'save' them for wildfire the majority of the time. That said, you'll eventually hit a point where you can delay using Reload for a few seconds (to intersect with wildfire as soon as wildfire is up) or use Reload when it's up and then hold on to Wildfire till Reload is up.

Still follow me? That might have sounded confusing with how I word things.

You want to use reload immediately and have wildfire as what you're saving through that extra cycle of reload. Every other major CD (rapidfire, your long CD damage buffs, hypercharge) will then intersect with wildfire anyway due to holding wildfire a tad longer. At which point you dump the whole lot in to the crotch of the boss.

This is higher DPS than saving things for wildfire the instant wildfire is up, and it's higher dps than using your best cds outside wildfire.

Do ask for clarification if that was worded stupidly. English is not my strong point.

I was looking to get FFXIV recently.

Have I missed the party?

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When did Final Fantasy get so lazy they started shortening job names? You sound retarded when you say it. Fucking secondary WoW fags.

>>323552981
You really can't understate rain of death's contribution to healer DPS, especially when coupled with Foe/BV. A lot of people forget about it, and it can make several hundred dps difference for the healers to have a much lower chance to miss.

>>323553078
Big time.

>>323552981
>That being said, MCH provides way better mp/tp regen.
As the BIS MCH in the thread speaking up in several posts, yes. MCH can put out auras easier and risk free. It doesn't interupt their rotation either because they are all INSTANT actions rather than casts. There's a cooldown on rapid swapping, but it's not prohibitive.

Best of all, where a MCh auras is independent of their location. Which can be really convenient at times and really shitty at other ones.

>>323553191

Well I don't know what to do - I've been looking for a MMO to play - FFXIV seemed the right one.

>>323553078
Play better FF games.
XIV went to shit and tries so hard to be a WoW clone first.

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I liked 1.0 more than 2.0, how can I get the 1.0 start menu back ?

>>323552981
BRD is actually a support class that has ranged DPS tacked onto it.

MCN has ranged tacked onto it and has support that is worse than the BRD. NIN has slightly less support than MCN.

>>323553259
All MMOs are pretty garbage right now so it's like picking your poison if you absolutely have to play one.

What's the best support class to level up?

>>323553101
FF been shortening job names since jobs were introduced to the series, it's a throwback to text limitations.

>>323553460

Ah, I might wait for BDO then because it looks alright.

>>323553349

I like FF games, but I wouldn't play XIV because it is one - just looking for MMOs.

>>323553078

Depends on, XIV has a lot of catchup mechanics. It is still enjoyable to play, unless you need to get max in the first few days of play. In that case WoW with character boosts might be more up your alley.

>>323553417
MCH has a stun that BRD does not, and the personal dps of a MCH will be higher than any equivalent BRD. Much higher. A MCH will let you clutch key dps checks easier than a bard too thanks to it's ability to fake having the dps of a melee class very briefly. Though that last one is less important if your static already has good gear.

Was really important to my static back when 190 was still what most people were kicking around in, I'll tell you.

The only thing of significance a brd can do is Foes, but to be fair that's a really big ace in the hole. Foes is fucking ridiculously powerful.

>>323552756
Ain't nothing gonna save you if you're 3 second of Enochian left and you just started casting and an AoE targeted you. All you got is that you hope to god that Swiftcast is up and you didn't use it in your opener.

>>323553615

No, I enjoy levelling up/stories - I've never actually played endgame that much in MMOs due to time restaints unless you count fucking Runescape.

>>323553705
>the personal dps of a MCH will be higher than any equivalent BRD. Much higher
Over time not by much.

>>323553705
Foes, along with Rain of Death are such a huge contribution to the raid dps that whatever personal dps the MCN can muster won't compare, especially if the raid has to decide between MCN and BRD.

>>323553726
Knowing the encounter will. All fights are scripted. You know ahead of time when targeted AOEs and mechanics are happening in the script. You can simply refresh earlier, or save swiftcast if you really need to (it IS a 60s cooldown)

>>323553786
By all means, try the trail. The story starts kinda slow-ish, but picks up.

>>323553967
>along with Rain of Death are such a huge contribution to the raid dps
Wait what, did they change the secondary effect to not be evasion?

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>>323553798
I'd ask you what your definition of MUCH is, and say most MCH players are complete shit. Then again, few people know as much about MCH optimal strings than I do, and the class doesn't really do anything to make it even slightly intuitive to discover.

No one's going to bring a mch along for dps anyway, though. So I still cry.

That said, MCH is far more flexible as a support dps than BRD is by far. Though no one but the player themselves will be able to appreciate that actively.

>>323553967
Same as I said above, mostly.

>>323535161

Good, handing players level 99 characters in MMOs is cancer.

>>323554023
Nothing is 100%, you can always get targeted by an AoE that doesn't target you often. Also you use Swiftcast to get that last Fire IV in before Raging Strikes comes off. You'd know this if you actually try and push for deeps on blm. SMN is much more consistence compared to BLMs strict timers.

>>323535161
I prefer that they make people play the game first. Unlike WoW where you got people who pay $60 to literally skip 3-4 expansions worth of content and story.

>played a long time ago
>just started again
>made a new character
>taking it easy

I stopped doing non story quests and only level through leves, fates, main quest and dungeons, will that bite me in the ass later ?

>>323554354
As long as you do your daily roulettes, it really shouldn't be too bad.

>>323552245
>I wasn't even allowed to try bard for the longest time, and now I'm banned from playing bard in the static because of a minor mishap I had one week.

Your static sounds fun.

I mean I'm a MCH too, I'll play what the fuck I want and if people don't like it I'll walk, because there's always demand for someone of my caliber.

>>323554085
Yeah, exactly., it lowers the enemy's evasion. Which actually means it lowers the enemy's accuracy requirement. What changed to make it kind of great is this line that was added in 3.0 "Recast time shared with Bloodletter". Which means the proc works on it too. Keeping up Rain of Death instead of always using Bloodletter when you know both healers are actually DPS'ing is a raid DPS increase.

>>323554354
Well, it might be a bit monotonous to run through the MSQ at points, but it can be a plus. Particularly for soaking up free xp on secondary classes. Just never do the MSQ on a levelcapped class if you can help it. They really boosted xp for the MSQ up.

>>323553101
You're that guy who brought this up a few threads ago didnt you?

Fuck, I feel like there are so few of us I'm starting to recognize some of you. I bet there's probably ~10-15 samefags in these threads and that's it.

>>323554451
Coolio.

I'm only level 30 on my highest class right now, I'm leveling like 4 in parallel so I can get the role XP bonus as often as possible and unlock as many jobs as I can so that by level 40 I know which one I enjoy more.

>>323553349
>XIV went to shit and tries so hard to be a WoW clone first.
That's what all WoWfags say, then cry because it's not enough like WoW.
Faggots miss all FF references anyway.

i'm the sch of my raid group and We have ran with both a mch and a brd, we also had a nin for a while but he switched to mnk.

>>323553417
The dps mch and brd put out is really similar based on my experiences. MCH has way better burst and AOE but BRD isn't far behind and still has good burst. In stuff like A1S I feel they noth perform similarly.

The nin that became mnk was a definite raid wide dos increase, at least 50-100 dps, and goad helped way to much. The nin was also putting out a good number in dps.

>>323553224
MCH auras are definetely better, speaking for SCH perspective. He could always have them out for downtime wereas the bard had to wait on mp.

>>323553168
This is huge. With Bard my dps as scholar increased by a fuckton. Like at least 100-200 rain of death makes a huge difference. Also battle voice FOes increased our BLM and SMN dps by like 200 while our drg and mnk were still doing similar numbers.

I've also tried AST/WHM at times. It was only a raid dps increase that was better than SCH in faust because I got like 3 balance cards and the mnk did 200 more than he usually did, I noticed the massive difference between it and SCH on oppressor as the dps was lower and the mp issues were bigger, collective unconcious also COULDN'T replace sacred soil on jumps because I had to wait until after all the resin aoes, at most it let me put a regen on people. It was garbage everywhere else, especially A2S and A3S.

Why is it that when I started a WAR char I had some posh cat lady but when I was leveling my PLD I was being followed around by Thancred?

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Why do people defend this turd of a game? It hurts. It's everything that was wrong with modern WoW and they made a game out of it. And people are satisfied.

>>323554793
Because Scions are different in each city and WAR starts in Limsa and PLD starts in Uldah.

>>323554878

>stop liking what I don't like

>>323554230
Then why not plan around getting targeted by it every time? It's doable because you have two 60s CDs and 3 other utility CDs at hand that you can use, and you can time the end of your casts with dodging them (slidecasting).

You plan around getting targeted by sluice and protean ground AOEs every time in A3S. You plan around getting targeted by Seed of the Sky and Quarantine every time in A4S. This is possible because when these targeted AOEs come out is always identical. Same with Photon Spaser and Resin Bomb in A1S. Same with grabbing towers, breaking chains, or stacking for rage in, or even the very first meteorrain in Thordan.

That's how scripted these encounters are.

>>323554878
>And people are satisfied.
Not really. Even the official forums are starting to get tired of this shit.

>>323554878
except the dogshit interface the game is ok, much better than GW2, Cata or Pandaria

>>323554971
Then you're going to take the DPS loss everytime? Why not ask the MNK to tornado kick everytime that he MIGHT be targeted by mechanics :^)

>>323554892
Who do you get in fag-elves city for gay healers and worthless DPSs

>>323554407
Frankly, I feel like even a truly decent (not world class) support dps would find an easy place in most groups. Support DPS isn't exactly popular. Though that may just be my server that constantly has ads running begging for mch/brd with experience.

>>323554682
>He could always have them out for downtime wereas the bard had to wait on mp.
That's not aura superiority. Foes is a thirsty little slutbag of a power, and any Bard that wants to exercise their advantage over MCH will need to use foes as much as they can. Which is directly contrary to the ability to use a lot of MP aura.

That said, MCH can place out auras on demand where demanded without any issue. The healers can have their own little bastion independent of sniffing the support's ass for MP. This is also good for the MCH because of general flexibility in position.

Which is doubly important when you consider MCH has a melee range CD that you WILL be using every time it's up. You can't afford to be tied to the healers if you want your SUPERIOR DEEPS.

>>323555080
>implying i don't tornado kick as often as I can
I like the animation. Not like it matters in dungeons.

>>323554682
Why would you even noct AST. Do SCH/AST if want more raid DPS buffs, Fey Wind does count more than you think.

>>323555139
Talking about Raiding dumbass

>>323555082
A smartass midget and a dumb shit white girl that punches things.

>>323555082
Punch lady and magic midget.

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>yfw your get a Spear Card as MCN

It all flows so much nicer, especially if it is 150%RR.

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>>323555301
>mfw retards that claim to play MCH abbreviate it as MCN

Newfag here

PLD or WAR?

And whats this Fell Cleave I always hear about

>>323555129
Did you read my post? I said exactly the same thing you said but summed up.

>he could always have them out for downtime wereas the bard had to wait on mp

Why do you think the bard had to wait on mp?

Its very clear to me that BRD and MCH aren't that much better than each other and each has their niche, but BRD is definetely a bigger raid dps increase unless you have literally zero caster dps.

>>323555129
Are you talking like that in your raid as well? I mean, the whole smug air of superiority and constant competition with other classes you display here.

>>323555546
WAR, PLD is boring as shit. Fell cleave is a skill you get like at 54 or 56 that uses some stacks you build up doing your combo when you have another skill active that hits pretty hard.

just fuck my game up senpai

>>323555080
No, just don't cancel casts, use your CDs or abuse slidecasting to make them go off while dodging them. There wouldn't be a DPS loss in the first place. Plan your rotation around the fight. This is simple logic.

The only time you can't really plan around it because of the sheer frequency of them and the amount of time you have to dodge are probably the Jagd Dolls ground AOEs in A2S. Couple that with the fact that phase pushes change in A2S all the time based on how much DPS you have.

>>323555546
Paladin if you want to be a tank and just that, Warrior if you want to feel like a damage dealer while tanking.

>>323555153
I only did it to try it out and prove to some shitter in our group that noct sect AST works and simply just sucks. I am well aware that Fey Wind makes a difference.

Also our WHM only has WHM leveled so theres that too. She's inclined on finishing her AST so we can do AST/SCH combo though

>>323555301
Spear is literally burn fodder, I seriously hope there aren't AST's out there that prioritize using it rather than burning it.

Game is shit. Boring quests, no spells, shitty dungeons. Even no fucking loot in it.

>>323532440
>See what the next patch would do next

The story literally played out like a weekly monster movie series up until 2.5. The primal crap got old fast and still trying to ride the primal train in HW almost killed the story.

>>323555623
I'm just running a comparison of things I've noticed, anon. Don't read too much in to it. English is also not my strong point, so forgive me if I come off weird. I compensate by trying to speak more formally so I'm understood, but that gets interpreted as smug most of the time.

>>323554682
>MCH has way better burst and AOE but BRD isn't far behind and still has good burst. In stuff like A1S I feel they noth perform similarly.
I'm told BRD aoe is better because of it's ability to multidot and then subsist on rapid fire PROC aoe damage.

That said, I have also been clocked doing dragoon damage in AS2 as a MCH right up until I have to go in to aura whore mode to keep us standing. Take that as you will.

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>level crafting
>spend millions
>make money
>need to spend that money on more gear
>repeat

it's really like I'm playing cookie clicker

>>323556131
BRD gets to multidot A1S. That's pretty powerful.

>>323555837
If I am running dily stuff with my AST buddies I usually blackmail them to give me the spear. But ye, the card is lacking unless it lines perfectly up or the DPS actually notices they have it and adjust their rotation/priorities accordingly.

>>323529026
>go to some area really far away and speak to a single guy.
>speak to minfillia in the waking sands
>go to the same really far away area and pick up an item.
>speak to minfillia in the waking sands

didnt help quest rewards didnt give you a good amount of money.

>>323556131
Well if you wanna take things into perspective it does balance out.

With brd doing rain of death and foes, whenever we do a2s our smn and blm do a bloodbath and my dps as sch is noticeably higher (like 200 more).

Our mch did seemingly better damage than the bard itself did. It could just be that our brd could do better though. I might take a closer look at her numbers next time

>>323556298
The card is shit compared to balance arrow and 100% of the time its better to burn or shuffle it in hopes of one. I only use spear if there is no other choice and usually on mysef to lower the cooldowns on luminiferous aether and lightspeed.

>Want to get Rhongomiant
>Third step requires braindeath
Fuck.

Why is endgame so fucking awful?

>>323555693
Surecast is useless in Savage since any aoe you're hit with will kill you unless you have manawall/ward which fi you already ahve those up it won't interrupt your cast. Also you can't side cast when you need to finish a cast and you NEED to get out of aoe in time. Its not possible. Not everything goes to plan with BLM no matter how much you meme. SMN is a much more reliable Magic DPS to bring than BLM who can have a really good run or drop Enochian or Astaral Fire on accident and lose 100+ dps.

>>323556387
Generally BRD are parsing higher personal numbers as well at the highest levels of play.

Enjoy your fell cleaves while you can, faggots. nerf incoming 2.2

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>only thing left to get in pvp is get the 6 billion kills title
>no one else ever fucking heals
>either lose and die all the time or switch to healer and never get any kills
Thanks Yoshi

where's the potatos

>>323556525
Because Yoshi P is a hack that keeps recycling the same fucking content over and over with a new skin.

>>323556698
All they'll do is cater to idiots by making tank damage scale with VIT instead of STR so those LOOK AT MY 20K HP PLDs are slightly less shit.

>Wanderers Minuet
I will forever be a salty cunt for what they did to Bard in HW,

Tanaka did nothing wrong

>>323556892
>30k HP War inc
we're soon gonna reach WoW's level of stupid numbers

>>323556892
>>323557105
Will Tank Busters actually hit retardly hard now?

>>323556242
MCH has a 45 per tick 30s dot. Bard has a 45 and 35 per tick dot. Meaning Bard can perform only an additional 35 potency per tick a MCH can't replicate. I'd group the dots being put on the main enemy as part of normal expected dps, so I'm only comparing per additional target.

Still really good, but not as good as any of us probably hope.

>>323556387
I don't know what to tell you about BARD. I just know I roll out the monstrous DPS for AS2 as MCH. Use an equivalent ilevel DRG that's really skilled as a comparison, point. I'm also one of the highest performing MCHs around according to FFLOGs (back when we still bothered to submit logs).

The only other class I am really really good at is MNK. Which I only roll out often enough to remind me why i don't play melee. I can't comment competently on bard except what I hear go around.

Even if MCH is the better aoe for [reasons] I would guess it's not at all near worth the loss of foes and the accuracy help for healers.

>>323557105
Pretty sure vitfag wars already are hitting 30k, at least I think I saw some idiot in my fc bragging about it but that might've been with ToB up.

>>323557202
Yes and sadly us tanks will have to spend tomestones of faggotry on vit accessories next tier, getting accessories for 5 jobs at the same time with slaying was one decent perk of playing a tank.

>>323557202
Tank busters are fine, they need to crank up boss auto attacks rate and dmg to stress more tanks being in actual tanking stance and healers actually healing. Drop the stupid dps checks since you don't need to have 4dps + 1 full time healer dps + 2 full time tank dps and we might have something fun again.

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>>323556670
I'd beg to differ, but I'm in the top percentage for flat out MCH dps, and I've devoted far too many sleepless nights to testing various ideas and theories to find little dps tricks. Like squeezing blood from a fucking stone. All I only discovered through dumb ass stubbornness because none of them are intuitive or obvious tricks.

In the way it's intuitive to play, MCH dps isn't really impressive compared to BRD.

>>323529125
I hate these names like mor dhoro. I could never remember them it's like they couldn't come up with better names so make something complicated, yeah that will work.

>>323557441
>>323557202
>>323557387
They'll likely make tank busters percentage based like a lot of them already are. This way the encounter scales for all builds and gear levels.

>>323557873
Naming conventions in FF games are always nonsensical garbage.

>Limsa Lominsa
fuck that shit

>It's not possible to plan timings and cds in completely static timed encounters
>sharpcast and swiftcast also don't exist every 60s
>you can't adjust when you refresh astral fire and enochian based on mechanics you know ahead of time are coming down to the second
>I'll just plan for the best case scenario!

>>323558206
I feel bad for BLM. My class's CDs sync with mechanics so precisely if I'm playing correctly.

>>323557640
Why is the highest MCH 100-200 lower than the highest BRD on FFLogs for every single savage encounter?

>>323558206
You can't plan for random aoes unless you're going to agree to dps loss to the chance that you might get targeted. Or mechanics that need you to move more than once every 1 min.

>>323558453
What relevant fight has targeted AOEs at completely random times at rapidfire intervals?

>>323558594
A1S, A3S, A4S

>>323556131
>That said, I have also been clocked doing dragoon damage in AS2 as a MCH right up until I have to go in to aura whore mode to keep us standing. Take that as you will.
>>323556242
>BRD gets to multidot A1S. That's pretty powerful.

>>323557229
>I don't know what to tell you about BARD. I just know I roll out the monstrous DPS for AS2 as MCH

MCH/BRD being meme tier DPS is pretty much only true for literal single target, target dummy fights anyway. Anyone with a pound of sense realizes that, and a simple glance on FFlogs will confirm it.

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>>323558634
Bullshit.

>>323558794
You can call bullshit all you want, it can be movement heavy if you're unlucky with mechanics and you're picked a lot.

>>323556298
I give it to Ninjas because it's guaranteed to shorten their mudra cooldown.
Also Machinists and Summoners, and failing that a Tank.

Those are the only classes besides AST themselves who really pop cooldowns frequently within a 30 second interval.

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>>323558452
Not him, but my guess,

1. BRDs are plain better than MCH in the DPS department and that disparity just reflects that
2. BRD brings more raid DPS than MCH so the raids that have them will tend to parse higher = short encounter times = higher DPS for each member
3. It's a coincidence, maybe the better statics that post logs happen to run BRD because it's been around longer/they're most used to it, etc. Maybe they're more established and don't like changing things up.
4. Maybe it's a disparity isolated to high (95%+) percentile parses due to combination of the above, and if you look at average parses the two classes are on par.
5. Some or all of the above, statistics is complicated yo

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3.1 has killed the game.

3.2 will come too late for people to bother.

All I can do is keep pulling hunts to upset the shitters in full Esoteric.

>>323558452
Because I am a lazy cunt and don't submit my own logs. Our BLM only submits when they get a particularly amazing parse.

Real and less full of myself answer: There is less than half the number of MCH's submitted to FFlogs than BRD, and anyone parsing high on FFlogs does so with nonstandard strategy that no static uses except to get on FFLogs because they depend on boosting only one person to the detriment of others in the group. At which point they take a round robin approach boosting one person at a time till everyone has an amazing parse. FFLogs is not only horse shit, but MCH's are far less popular and thus have less quality players to create opportunities for them.

MCH is also poorly researched and has a smaller knowledge base. Tracing back to it's lack of popularity as a class. I've personally tried to pass around tips for playing mch, but most of my improvements are considered too tedious for too small an increase to bother doing. I do them because, being locked out of brd, I have literally nothing better to do but be the best MCH on the server if I can be(almost but not quite if you go by faust parses).

>>323558635
We all know support damage is complete shit, anon. That's not the problem. The issue is deciding which one to take given you'll be forced to take a support DPS regardless.

>>323559094

Savage Alexander killed the game and 3.1 did absolutely nothing to alleviate the problem.

>>323558452
>>323559012
And to add on, at least in A2S BRD are clearly superior to MCH.

Dominant AoE classes are magic based so foes is highly optimum, which leads to shorter encounter times and thus higher DPS.

And on an individual level, if you're a MCH you know they have horrible TP issues when it comes to sustained AoE. This might be less of a problem once you have stuff on farm and waves die faster than you can run out of TP, but you still won't keep up with a BRD getting rain of death procs FOR FREE.

>>323547072
>Guy mentions "World worth caring about"
>You sperg out about how he's wrong by listing things not associated with the world
Nice job, dipshit.

Typical Railgun poster

Conjurer = Healing

>>323532440

>Instanced everything
>Story is 99% filler fetch quests
>Aether used as the biggest desu ex machina and magical cure all to explain away everything in the game
>Every patch is and story arch is PRIMALS

I'll give you the music and aesthetic. But the plot and world are fucking awful

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>Tfw playing DRG temp joining a static that needed a sub DPS, WoD
>MTank tells me if I die on any boss I'm getting instakicked because he doesn't have time to deal with my scrub ass
>Literally flings himself into AM's waiting arms without a ready check and dies when he refuses to remove his debuff

I don't understand why people are like this

>>323559565
Story has moved away from PRIMALS and has now moved them to side content.

Main story is now DRAGONS and ISHGARD.

I'd argue 3.0 in general killed the game because it didn't fix any of the myriad of problems from 2.0, electing to just ignore, build around, and create the same exact issues

2.0 was supposed to be a safe, basic experience to cement the game finicially. 30 was supposed to be what set the game apart. Instead they just did 2.0 again in a slightly uglier shade of paint

It's fucking boring, overdone, and all of the shitty parts of 2.0 (time gates, lockouts, instanced everything, no open world relevance, fates, near 0 endgame content, lack of class variety, useless crafting classes, etc) were made worse

>>323559703
Naw DRAGONS is going away, it's going to go back to ANCIENT ALLAGANS DID IT

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>>323559261
>Savage Alexander killed the game
Once it became clear that Alexander was outright killing raid groups, and forcing others still to server-transfer to greener pastures (ie. Gilgamesh), Square Enix should have broken the glass case on their Nerf-bat and savagely beat the "Savage" out of Savage Alexander.

The fact it's not getting nerfed until 3.2 is just pants-on-head retarded. What this suggests is that either Square Enix has the XIV development team on such a short rope that it was systematically impossible to rollout the necessary nerfs on-time due to tie-ups with concurrent development and general understaffing; or that Yoshi is a completely inept shitfucking moron who has no idea exactly how and/or why the playerbase is so outraged.

I will laugh so hard when they inevitably make Midas Savage require a Gordias Savage-clear to enter.

>>323546660
>I've played XI and that game felt like a Final Fantasy game. XIV: ARR does not.
>Fuck off, Yoshida.

woah

i just realized

i live in a world where people think a realm reborn was the start of final fantasy 14 and not its death

>>323559667
Dont play with jaded fucks

>>323559160
>Real and less full of myself answer: There is less than half the number of MCH's submitted to FFlogs than BRD,

I'm somewhat bemused that my casual A2S parse is still top 10 for A2S MCHs.

Obviously partly due to people not bothering to submit parses anymore for outdated content, but I kind of expected it to get pushed down by people gaming the rankings with optimal setups. I pugged that one to boot without any particular expectations.

>>323559793
I hope they realize how they fucked up.

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We need more boss fights like Ravana Extreme and Thordan's Reign.

The DPS checks aren't stupidly high, the fight relies on mastering the mechanics, and it's not poopsockingly hard but it's just the right difficulty for midcore players.

Also, based Soken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czw1XDkjTuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZHfOs2XOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV_IP4mNJCI

>>323559848

I think people are misrepresenting the issue. It's not that Savage was too hard in a sense. Not mechanically any way. It's the fact that, as well as being hard, it's not particularly interesting, rewarding, the mechanics are overused and stale (Aside from, like, quarantine), and it ends up highlighting how bad core progression in XIV is

It's also because it's the only form of difficult endgame content, a formula reused from 2.0

It's not that it's too hard. It's that its bad

>>323559848
>I will laugh so hard when they inevitably make Midas Savage require a Gordias Savage-clear to enter.

Didn't they already say it won't? Will probably be like Gordias, clear normal mode to enter savage.

As for why they didn't (and still haven't) nerf Gordias savage, I'm guessing it's just down to pride or something silly like that.

>>323559282
> if you're a MCH you know they have horrible TP issues when it comes to sustained AoE.
If we're talking AS2, not really. When you've completely optimized every skill use, you should have exactly as much tp as you need to aoe for as long as is optimal. At which point target priories shift between aoe and single target due to things that need to die NOW versus better overall dps.

I have a list of things MCH can do that BRD can't for AS2, but they all are negated by merely mentioning FOEs because, while personal dps is one thing, no class exists in a vacuum.

>>323559813
That's the side story from the little white Ascian kid in Mor Dhona. Next patch him, Urianger and Alisaie will be dealing with the first of the warrior triad and Allagans while main story will focus on new Nidhog and this Anti Tower.

>>323560047
The person who did those fights worked on Titan Ex which was the most fun Trial and he did Second Coil which was the best imo. He's doing the new trial in 3.2 as well.

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>>323527504
>Can't access DRK, BRD, or MCH until completing all level 50 MSC.

>>323559947
AOE DPS is kind of weird to measure in that way. The more things you get to AOE, the higher your personal DPS is, therefore the longer things are alive, the longer you get to pad your own numbers. Therefore groups with solo heal setups or strong groups in general might actually have lower personal numbers, but higher group DPS, and lower clear times.

tl;dr A shit group can actually pad a good player's numbers in A2S just by existing.

Glad other people also think the fucking MSQ are unspeakably bad in this game. I actually miss the "collect 5 bear asses" quests and would rather do them than "go to dude A in the South Shroud, then dude B in Western La Noscea, then dude C in Eastern Thanalan, then to Minfilia" quests. I guess if you just teleport everywhere it's easy but I'm a jew and only have that much gil since I just started recently

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>>323548806
It being a requirement to unlock jobs is dumb. Creating a 2nd character and having to go through all of the MSC again is also dumb.

>>323560047
I preferred A1S's design to fights like ravana and thordan, personally.

There's so much memorization in the latter two it completely breaks the immersion for me and I realize I'm just playing an arbitrary game of simon says.

I want more random mechanics to keep things fresh but as A3S has shown that's too hard for the playerbase. Something like A1S that had a pinch of randomness thrown in while you had to execute things cleanly would probably be best for the 'midcore' demographic.

>>323560247
Do your leveling roulette each day. Easy gil + Challenge Log also helps with basic gil for teleports.

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>People who buy Gil
I seriously hope you're not one of these people /v/

>>323560308
Why would you need to make a second character anyway except for weekly lockouts like Alex Savage?

>>323560427
>Not buying Gil in a game that has an economy on par with Africa

>>323560223
Yeah I know what you mean. I remember back in.. september or something, I forget, I held the #1 parse for a few weeks - because my static was shit and I was just rolling lead shot on everything for profit.

Gear wasn't yet on the level where you could switch to full on spread/grenado and trust your raid to clear the wave before you ran dry. Now everyone is so geared you can hardly get a single lead shot down before it becomes uneconomical to do so.

>>323560427

>Spend a few hours farming gil
>spend an extra hour at work one day to make enough money to buy 10x times the amount of gil in the same amount of time

It only makes sense

>>323560317
A1S and A3S are on completely strict ability timers that will never change. The only thing that changes is "person that gets targeted by x ability". The last phase of A1S itself is on a constant 2 minute loop.

The amount of randomness is also about the same in Thordan.
>Where did the towers spawn
>Who got the blue marks when
>Who got the tether and blue mark in the last phase
>Who has the comets, who has the shiva circles

Not too different from
>Who was targeted by Resin Bomb
>Who was targeted by Photon Spaser
>Where are the missile lines
>Who got prey