Let's put this debate to bed: 20 Endurance, or 40 Endurance?

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>>323508475
Answer is neither. 25-30 endurance with tier 3 anti-clockwise rune. Seriously. It's all you need. You could even go 20 with it and still be fine.

>>323508475
anything above 22 is a waste

15 is usually plenty

>>323510937

For some of the heavier weapons you need a bit more endurance. I run 25 with anti clockwise rune.

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>>323508475
>For most weapons: no more than 20 (around 15)
>For heavier weapons: at your own risk
I did a playthrough with the Amygdalan Arm and I had a bit of an issue with stamina consumption. Id get 3 hits because I had to regain. So I got it up to 25. Got around 4 swings and a small sliver if stamina to back off if anything isnt going my way

>>323511364
you really, REALLY don't

no weapon in the game needs more than 22 end + a %20 rune, not even the super spammy ones like rakuyo

if you have that much endurance and you're under BL120, you've made a mistake at some point with your build

Depends on the weapon you're using.

15-20 for any Skill based weaponry.
20-25 (maybe you can go 30 if you prefer different Runes of the anti-clockwise ones) for Strength/Heavy weaponry.

In souls games always pump health and stamina with just enough str for your weapons. The extra swings, rolls, and hits survived is way more useful than a few points of damage.

I'm going to be stuck at ludwig or whatever that fuckfaces name is forever
somebody just kill me now
end it

>>323511520
It's not like builds matter for PvE, they only matter for PvP. Who gives a shit what builds are for PvE as long as you're killing the bosses with no problem.

>>323511709
Who's talking about pve?

>>323508475
>>323510292
>>323510937
>>323511364
>>323511410
>>323511597
>>323511520

>investing points into End or Vit
>people on /v/ are actually this bad

>>323511697
Whirligig his asshole.

He's also optional you don't need to kill him.

Oh is this the build thread? Optimal stats for someone planning on using the blades of mercy and reiterpalamadamadingdong around level 80? Blood attack doesn't really concern me.

>it's a thread that will be filled with pvp fags that think settling on an arbitrary BL is a good idea
>XD ITS TO AVOID REDDIT IN MULTIPLAYER

>Bloodborne
>Builds

Debate concluded.

I like buffing endurance on skill builds. But it's not really needed. 20 is plenty.

>>323511780
Nobody, but nobody is also talking about PvP, so either or can be assumed, as I did.
>>323511795
Go on, lets see a video of you at Lv. 4 beating Orphan of Kos, Headless Bloodletting, Defiled Watch Dog, or Queen Yharnam. I'll wait.

>>323511795
>investing points in anything
>using weapons
>EXPLOITING iframes
>playing video games
>people on /v/ are actually this bad

look at all of these crutches

>>323511646
Totally the opposite in BB, just a few points in the damage stats can make a big difference to damage thanks to the bloodgems, whilst just a few points in Vit is essentially pointless.

>>323511795
Even the autistic speedrunner with thousands of hours the other day was going demolished without high vit

>>323511838
Vit/Skill: 50

Worry about that above all else. Anything extra can be dumped into Arcane or Endurance.
>>323511852
It's funny because everyone, including Reddit rolls at 120 in all Souls games.

>>323511838
I just did this build for rakuyo/reiter and it's great, but it was a BL98.

https://mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/12800

>>323512019
That's only the case when you've reached the caps, especially the hard cap.

>>323512028
That guy was really bad.

>>323511963
Orphan of Kos is so easy lvl 4. Just use the parry glitch.

>>323512083

Interesting I was trying to get vit/skill and arcane all to the soft caps but I'll take your advice, seems like I was dying far too easily anyway.

>>323512236
>the boss is so easy if you glitch it lmao
holy shit

>>323512368
Legit tactic.

>>323512453
>he can't fight a boss without relying on glitches
how casual are you?

>>323512236
Everything's easy if you cheat, anon

>>323512239
arcane to softcap? why? for blades of mercy?

kek

BoM's split damage is only there to prevent you from buffing it. The scaling and damage from arcane is so bad it might as well not exist. I'm talking like an extra 15 AR between base and 50 arcane.

>>323512519
I mean I could just backstab him the whole fight, but that would take forever.

>>323512236
Do it without using glitches, bugs, etc. Then get back to me, also I like how you only point out Orphan, guess you can't do the other bosses without your precious glitches and memory leak.

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>>323508475
>Half of the areas in Bloodborne were as linear as Dark Souls 2's areas, except Bb had elevators which connected the beginning, middle and end of the level, which was not in any way on par with Dark Souls 1's intertwining paths and shorcuts.

I wanted to like Bloodborne, I really did.

>>323512453
downgrading your game to version 1.0 and duplicating is also a legit tactic

>>323511963
>Queen Yahrnam

Queen Yahrnam isn't too bad once you know her bag of tricks. The bosses on the way to her are a lot fucking worse. I had more trouble with them than any main game boss.

>>323512652
literally git gud
if you can't beat the boss without relying on parries and backstabs you're fucking terrible

No way you will have levels for 40 endurance.

>>323512661
I had to kill bloodletting and watchdog to farm gems. I didn't think they were as difficult as Yharnam.

>>323512669
this stale bait agian?

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There is something legitimately wrong with you if you level endurance at all.
No weapons need it anymore. Not even Boom Hammer.

But let me guess, you're all Ludwig's shitters and BoM spammers.

>>323512572
The issue with BoM, is that you don't need a lot of endurance because of how fast it regens and how easy it is to combo/stunlock off of it. Once you get Vit/Skill where it needs to be, along with the minimum points into Endurance, the rest can go into Arcane, you wont be using guns usually so Bloodtinge is pointless, and Strength doesn't really benefit it either whatsoever, so get those minuscule extra damage points for Arcane.

It's also so you can use the Hunter's Tools with weapon switch outs quickly. Hunter's Tools combined with a quick switch to BoM is very deadly.

>>323512718
Agreed, I was on Headless for a couple days, only boss I truly had problems with. I enjoy Queen Yharnam quite a lot with her baby cries at Vergil/DMC4 Dante shit all over the place.

I'd say it'd be pretty annoying of a fight at Lv. 4 though. I'd like to say Defiled Watch Dog and Headless Bloodletting would be hard at Lv. 4, but they're annoying regardless of level because of the amount of damage they do, so it wouldn't make too much difference beyond damage levels.

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level 90

vit 25
end 25
str 30
skl 30
bloodtinge 15
arc 15

r8, maybe give some advice, i dunno...

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>>323512669
>as linear as DS2
>not flipping your shit when you climb a ladder in the middle of the forbidden forest and winding up in central yharnam

>>323512883
>hear this all the time
>try to use the wheel with base stam
>can't even do the 4th attack in the r1 combo or 3rd R2

>>323513008

I was under the impression that the dodge attacks, R2 and L2 attacks were significantly improved by leveling arcane.

>>323513319
In what situation are you going to need a 4th r1 with the wheel's garbage stun time and huge damage?

>>323513008
I would still take end for more spam over wasting anything into arcane. Tool utility is not great and the investment in arcane for damage is so poor it might as well not exist or be a factor at all when considering synergy for your build.

>>323513337
They're the only attack that even have arcane split damage. Any attack with the white slash effect has arcane, but leveling arcane for those attacks is just not worth it and the damage is not good.

>>323512883
20 endurance gives you enough stamina to follow up the Holy Moonlight Sword's tricked charge attack for double moonbeams and a roll.

>>323513205
Build's pretty fucked, m8.

You need more VIT, like 40. Stop leveling END, pick either STR or SKL and take it to 50.
Keep arc where it is.
Don't level BLT unless you want to make a build for it.

>>323513205
What...are you trying to do? By that I mean what weapons are you planning on using? Because with your stats you can technically use every weapon, but since the scaling is everywhere your gimping your damage output. Figure out what weapon you want and build off that.

>>323512669
>linear = bad

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>>323513229
Forbidden forest was the peak or map interconnectivity, everything after that becomes a littpe linnear.

>>323513529
>pvp is not as good as Dark Souls 2's
DaS2's pvp was the worst in the series by a landslide

>balanced pvp
>soul memory

are you just shitposting?

>>323513205
Oh hey guys, I found Artorias.
Level Arcane to 25 and use the holy moonlight sword, or be doomed to use Ludwig's Holy Blade forever.

>>323513205
Start over, you fucked up.
Your VIT is shit, you have pointless levels in BLT/ARC/END.
25 VIT at 90 is nothing. One-shot territory even in PvE.

>>323513572
You can just wear stamina runes for that and get more STR / SKL instead.

>>323513505
Bosses mostly. I got tired of sitting in front of staggered bosses waiting for my stam to regen.

>>323513529
DaS and DeS had the best PvP

Also,
>soul memory is good meme

Fuck outta here.

>>323513337
They do, but they're very situational attacks and usually you wont be using those over the stunlock R1 spam anyways.
>>323513517
Agreed, but it's all personal preference really, one of the things I like about BB. I've tried an Arcane BoM build not long ago, it's pretty fun to switch out to another weapon and blast A Call Beyond or Augur and then switch back quickly and dash in there for a stunlock, more so than it is using the R2/L2 attacks.
>>323513529
Dark Souls 2 is the only game in the series where I have never had an invasion, not even trying. It's kind of sad, I don't even hate the game personally, I think it has some bad hitboxes for bosses and impossible space/geography, but I enjoyed it still, but the PvP was just absent for me no matter how hard I tried at whatever Soul Memory, felt shitty.

Is it worth investing arcane for the HMLS and the wheel if I keep it at 20?

>>323513630
well i like the memesword...

should i just focus on skill and vit now?

>>323513738
But I want other runes too.

>>323513595
>Vit to 40
Unless if you're doing pvp or chalice dungeons, going past 30 is a waste. Hell past 25 is pushing it in most cases. Only boss that woks be an issue for anything sub 30 (from my experience) are chalice bosses and Laurence with his bullshit

>>323513529
>pvp is not as good as Dark Souls 2's
dark souls 2 is barely a souls game and the pvp was stale as shit nigger. the rat covenant was fun at least
>there were pvp hotspots
what is nightmare frontier and anywhere in mensis. if you can't handle the other places you can invade because of more than one player, you shouldn't be invading those areas
>could invade people who didn't have summons with them
see above.
>could host fightclubs
/bbg/ has taken to doing this quite often, get in the know
>everyone complains about soul memory, but it would pair everyone with 8 million souls+ together, so besides level 732 autists everone is ready for some
what balance? seeing the same goddamn weapons and builds over and over unless you're doing a literal meme?
>pvp dead in Bloodborne
are you playing the same game? meta is around 98-120

>>323514016
Kos and Maria can dominate you at 30- too if you don't watch it, especially Maria.

>>323513810
I agree.

Bloodborne is so fast that there is little thought or pacing to the pvp. It's mostly dash R1 spam on openings. Dark Souls was significantly more methodical and you could actually make use of the entirety of movesets in pvp as well as unlock with them. You also had to have very careful stamina management and always watch your positioning or instantly get backstab punished.

Dark Souls 1 pvp was the best in the series. Demon's Souls was a lot of fun too. Bloodborne's is kind of mediocre but still somewhat fun and Dark Souls 2 is just an all-around garbage game.

>>323513931
Go big or go home, you want at least 25 for it to not be pointless when it comes to the HMLS

>>323511984
>using consoles
>using a hdmi
>using a TV
Wtf are all these faggots doing? Sit there hold a controller not connected to a console and stare at a wall while you play faggots. Stop using all these crutches and git fucking gud

>>323514129
Yep.
I wasn't around to experience the best of Demon's Souls PvP, but the discovery of the Old Monk boss fight shit blew my mind.

>>323514147
What about full arcane and base STR/SKL?

>>323514129
>Dark Souls 1 pvp was the best in the series
Giantdads, Havelmums, Zaphander/Chaoshanders. VITgouge builds in general. Dark Bead. People cartwheeling in fucking ultra-heavy armour. Combat revolved around backstabs first and foremost to the point where there were more backstab "techniques" than regular combat techniques.
Best PvP in the series? What a fucking joke.

>>323514330
If you don't plan on ever using its 1handed form, I guess that's an option

>>323513641
So you agree that Bloodborne is linear?

>>323512669
This is like the 4th time i see this in 2 days.Is this some pasta?

>>323514384
It's good when you don't fish and fight with nice people

>>323514384
>meta

Giantdads were hilarious to fight, and they were a meme. Most of the awesome invasions happened in Anor Londo and Undead Parish.

>>323514384
dark souls pvp had 1000x more substance and depth than BB and DaS2

meme builds don't change that and people have not been to make viable builds that flip in full giants/havel's since pre-PTDE

>>323511795
>yfw I have 75 vit
Come at me bro, I can take it ;)

>>323512669
>>323513529
>>323514427
No, it's too fresh, too spooky, too spicy of a meme

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>>323514427
Name one boss and I can give you lore for them, and most of the enemies don't drop armor because they're fucked out beast-people.

>>323514713
>tfw 84 vit
>at BL98

:^)

Best Game: DaS
Best PvP: DaS2
Best Combat: BB

There, you can all stop arguing now.

>>323514784
vitbros, unite!

>>323514784
>every boss is a stalemate
>20 damage is the most either side delivers

>>323511410
is this a tending to the meme garden picture?

>>323514882
>Best PvP: DaS2

When will this meme end?
>cracked red eye orbs
>Soul memory
This is all I need to say to scare you faggots away.

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Should I go full on strength or just go for QUALITY

>>323514882
>Best PvP: Soul memory
Stop.

>>323515021
Depends on what weapon you want to use, anon

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>>323514760
Mergo's wet nurse
Darkbeast Paarl
Orphan of Kos
Shadow of Yharnam

>>323515009
Flawed, yes. Still the best.

>>323514965
wheel doesn't need investment to do damage because of multihit attacks with flat gems

>>323510292
This for maximum str damage output, low end + stamina rune. Late game you can do what you want though because you can become ovvereleved

40 endurance is too much

>>323513953
Honestly, if your having issues with health at 25, you may need to change up your playstyle. For the main game you shouldn't need pass 25 (30 max, but thats my opinion) you can bump up your health if you really need it, but Id recommend just rocking what you have now. Learn how to parry, dodge, and abuse iframes better. As for the weapon, if you feel comfortable with the holy blade, than strength (B scaling) and arcane (A scaling). Dont bother with skill because it won't get any better than a C. Just remember that it wont use its arcane scaling until use its unleashed form. Its base blade form is only strength damage and you cant buff it

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>>323514001
Yeah? Well I want From to stop putting shit like Cling Ring, Favor and Protection, Third Dragon Ring, and Clockwise Metamorphosis, since nothing is as good, ever.
Holy Moonlight Sword has absurd stun time on its projectiles. You don't need to immediately roll and you shouldn't be using charged r2s if they're putting you in danger of getting hit.

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Is the Whirlgig Saw a good weapon?

>>323515021
In my experience quality is garbo, if you want to diversify spec into BL or Arc.

what did you guys think of witch of hemwick?
I can't tell if I hate her for being easy or like her for being different.

>>323515021
probably 50/25 str/skl

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>It's a "Bloodborne thread that doesn't devolve into a lore argument" thread

>>323515130
It will never surpass DeS or DaS when both of those things exist.
Especially the red eye orb part.

>>323508475
50. Why ever have less?

>>323515009
>>323515045

To be fair I skirted the soul memory issue by abusing saves, but I feel like I saw the most build variety in DaS2.

>>323515193
The transformed L2 destroys most bosses and big enemies

>>323515109
The setup I'm running is saw cleaver and ludwig blade/kirkhammer. I think I'm in mid game right now.

>>323515170
there is no reason not to go to 45-50 vit

that is the ideal amount for CDs, NG+ and beyond and pvp

there is no reason to have a build that stops at 25 vit unless you never plan to go beyond NG or you just want to needlessly make things more difficult

and in pvp you're just ez frag

>>323515220
If you find the duplicate first or focus on the scythe fucks it's a little eh, but man that bitch is covered in eyes.

>>323515021
STR to 50 and then take SKL to 25 for Quality.

>>323515220
I quite like it. Easy is not synonymous with bad.

>>323515021
Quality.

I run 50/50/50/50/25/25.

It's great being able to enjoy almost any weapon in the game. Why would you do anything else?

>>323514330
50 arcane
25 strength at least
Whatever skill you can fit into your build.

There. Now you have hunter tools, can switch to kos parasite on the fly, high powered lasers which are one of the best methods of punishing wiffs and heals, and great tricked damage conplimented by good normal damage. Make sure you get a loat one and fill it with nourishing gems.

>>323513810
I'm not them but honestly Soul Memory was nice in vanilla before Agape ring, it pretty much made it nearly impossible to make uber-twinks that can just go into low level areas and do nothing but harass new players.

In terms of fixed level PVP and some coop issues though yeah it sucked ass, but PVP kind of sucked in DS2 anyways due to the huge fucking issue of phantom range and somehow making backstabs WORSE in terms of lag than the instant ones.

>>323515312
Just use a mule :^)

>>323515312
I'm not that bothered by being forced to do pvp in order to do pvp.

>>323515198
50/25 and 25/50 are both great for different reasons

>>323515359
Build variety doesnt make the PvP fun.
Invasions make the PvP fun, and the game lacked good level design, a proper invading item, and a proper invasion system.

>>323515472
>50/50/50/50/25/25
I like being able to play with other people.

>>323514127
Kos is a pain in the ass for any health level. And while Maria might give people problems, she can't come near 1 shotting you at 30. Plus her moves are highly telegraphed, she has plenty of openings, and you can stagger her pretty easily compared to other bosses.

>>323515123
Wait, for real?

Paarl I think is the only legitimately out of the blue boss.

You did the chalices though, right? So clearly you know what Shadows are all about.

Mergo's Wet Nurse is self explanatory if you understand how the nightmares work.

Orphan has a few different possible explanations, but a lot of him is pretty clear cut.

>>323515537
>forced to do the same 3 maps over and over again
>lifetime on your build and you're punished for playing the game

DaS2 doesn't even feel like a souls game, it's more like a chinese knockoff

>>323515537
It bothers me when I want to do meme invasions and the arena is full of meta fags.

>>323515123
>Orphan of Kos
is probably the most lore intense boss in the game

>>323515567
You have a bell for that. The only thing that limits its use is where you are.

Or are you suggesting the level range is bad? Because I was averaging about ~3-5 minutes to find people last night over the course of probably 90 minutes.

>>323515123
>Mergo's Wet Nurse
A Great One, presumably Oedon protecting the consciousness of its slain child.
>Paarl
Failed experiment.
>Orphan
Kos was preggers when it died and the Oprhan is the embodied consciousness of the dead child.
>Shadows
Servants of Queen Yharnam.

>>323515546

>Build variety doesnt make the PvP fun.

Nice opinion, I had a blast in all those iron keep bridge fight clubs.

>>323515672
Paarl is a failed experiment. The One Reborn is what they wanted Paarl to be.

>>323512883
If you play exclusively PvE then any build works, but no END is optimal since you don't need much stamina.

But if you plan to PvP then END helps at lot since it gives you extra attacks or extra dashes to finish people off before they can heal.

I know stamina regens really fast when you're on standby but a fraction of a second without being pressured is all a person needs to heal.

>>323515689
I think it's a weird combination of good mechanics and lackluster everything else. It really suffered from being rushed and it shows. I value game play integrity over trivial things like what kind of pvp I'm restricted to though so I feel it's the best one for that.

>>323515691
Git gud

>>323515567
The level range is 20 + 20% now

>>323515903
Most people like do invasions instead of arenas and fightclubs. Kind of like in the previous games.

>>323516005
What suggests this?

Paarl and the one reborn are extremely different in almost every way.

Paarl is clearly of Loran origin given the lightning and the fact that Loran Darkbeast boss is just Paarl again.

I can't think of anything that would suggest he's a mensis experiment in line with One Reborn. Have a reference I could look at?

>>323508475
100 points in all stats

what are you a casual?

>>323516091
I think the level range is pretty much infinitely down now, I've summoned my friend's like ng+3 character on my fresh one, you just get tuned down stat wise.

>>323508475
What stats should I put in first? Until level 30ish?

>>323516057
Epic.

>>323516180
With passwords, there is no level range at all. Otherwise, it's 20+20%

>>323516091
I think I sit around 185, so you're saying that I can go as low as ~145 and as high as ~220?

That sounds fine to me. Would explain my short search times.

I WAS GRANTED EYES AND I FINALLY SEE THE TRUTH!

>>323516180
There's no range for password summons, you just get level sync instead.

Invasions are a different story.

>>323516145

I definitely find both enjoyable but toward the 200 hour mark I just wanted to skip the stalking and get to the fighting.

>>323515809
>mergo's wet nurse is oedon
Wrong. Oedon does not exist on a physical level, and Mergo's Wet Nurse clearly does. Furthermore, Mergo is Yharnam's child, not Oedon's. Mergo's Wet Nurse is definitely a fully-fledged Great One though.

>paarl is a failed experiment
Did you read the description of the Beast Claws at all? Darkbeasts are incredibly ancient creatures and possibly the origin of all beasts in the Bloodborne universe. Hell, you actually FIGHT one of the original Darkbeasts in Lower Loran. It's the final boss of that chalice.

>>323516167
He's either a failed experiment (solely based on how he's made almost entirely of bone and the One Reborn is made of body parts) or they based The One Reborn off of him and that's why he's there.

>>323508475
22end

>>323516263
Passwords were the best addition to this game. It's great having 6+ friends that all play BB regularly.

Who's hyped for Dark Souls 3?

>>323516348
Wrong, wrong, wrong! Read the description of the Beast Claws. RIGHT NOW.

>>323516317
Not that guy, but:

In fairness, Loran Darkbeast is not the only type of Darkbeast.

Abhorrent Beast and Bloodletting Beast are both classified as Darkbeasts.

What suggests they're incredibly ancient, or "the source of all beasts"? I can't think of anything that suggests that. Have a source I could look at?

>>323516317
Mergo doesn't have a physical body, it's clothes are just draped around it. It could be Oedon sicne Oedon is formless. And Oedon could have been the Great One to imnpregnate Yharnam.

>>323511795
spotted the r1 spammer

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what's a good steak driver build? dump into strength or try to even it out with skill?

>>323516394
This one better be perfect or from is officially shit. And I swear to god if I see any repeating textures on any of the walls or floors I'm going to rage on /v/ about it.

>>323516526
I'll repeat myself a third time: read the fucking Beast Claws description.
There's literally NOTHING that suggests Paarl is a failed experiment, or related to the One Reborn, or any of that bullshit.

>>323516526
Not him but this guy talks about darkbeasts for 30 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xod9hRmUeFc

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>>323516661
it scales almost evenly between str and skl so 50/25 or 25/50 str/skl, but higher str preferred

or you can make a gimmick around it and go arcane like in pic related

>>323516348
That's a pretty weak link. Darkbeasts are found elsewhere in the game (Abhorrent Beast guy in the forest).

It could simply be that the Loran ruins are underneath Yarghul

>>323516806
does the explosion punch scale with arcane?

>>323513679
Holy fuck anon, thank you!

>>323516724
"Beastly weapon wielded by Irreverent Izzy.

Crafted by chiseling the long bones of an undead darkbeast and fastening them to the weapon. The bones are still alive, and when unleashed, grant its wielder a spurt of beastly power.

As flesh is flayed and blood is sprayed, the beast within awakens, and in time, the wielder of this weapon surges with both strength and feverish reverie."

Where does it say they're the source of all beasts? Or that they're incredibly ancient?

>>323517000
If it's physical. No.

>>323516394
Pretty excited after seeing some videos on it, but they've kind of got a lot to live up to after Bloodborne and a LOT to make up for Dark Souls 2.

Like they need to at least think through their shit before releasing it, Dark souls 2 felt like it should have been Dark souls 1 and more while playing it but there was just so much off about it.

>>323517000
no

he put fire gems on the weapon so it only scaled with arcane

because it now does fire damage, you can buff the R2 by %50 more if you hit the enemy with an oil urn beforehand

>>323517000
I believe so. It's fire damage isn't it? That webm shows it hitting for 6k because
>beast enemy
>was hit with oil

>>323516719
Its impossible for them to fuck up now. Darksouls 3 is definitely taking the Quality>Quantity approach from bloodborne if the leaks are still accurate.

>>323516263
>>323516292
Oh that makes sense. I hope that returns for DaS3 then because that system is great.

>>323517119
Switching Directors mid development fucked up DaS2. anyone know why they did this?

>>323517230
it's gemmed for fire

the weapon is otherwise pure physical

it's a gimmick build with something like 18/9/50 str/skl/arc and elemental gems

I have 30 END and you can't do SHIT about it

>>323517234
what leaks?

>>323516782
I'm watching it, but he hasn't said anything of note yet. Have a time stamp for an applicable segment?

>>323517234
There's more information about DaS3 outside of the network stress testing and probably convention stuff?

>>323517384
30 aint too bad. My first playthrough I had 30ish END and I just stun locked everything with Kirk.

>>323517369
Miyazaki was working on Bloodborne.
Bamco also forced them to scrap the original DaSII and start over.

The original DaSII is believed to be DaSIII.

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>>323516806
>mfw hitting for 6035

>>323517424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyRJ5u-L8qw
this leak mentioned 15 bosses which is around what BB has in the base game not counting chalice.

>>323517576
>Bamco also forced them to scrap the original DaSII and start over.
>The original DaSII is believed to be DaSIII.
source? or at least a link to the speculation?

>>323517885
Dark Souls 2 Design Works interviews.
Also, Miyazaki's comments saying that what we know now as DaS3 was in production before DaS2

>>323517801
Those better be some damn good bosses then because even Bloodborne had some shitty boss fights that were either kinda rehashed older bosses or just plain unfun and every previous souls game has had 20+ bosses.

>>323517801
As long as we don't get another three ass demons again it will be fine

>>323518074
Are you talking about mandatory bosses or total bosses? Because total bosses BB wins easily. If you mean mandatory bosses, DS only had 12, Ds2 was 18, and DeS was 16

Take me down to Yharnam city. Where the blood is sweet and moon is pretty.

>>323513931
It comes down to how you use them. If you care about the beam damage, pumping arcane and using nourishing gems will pay off at the expense of the rest of the weapon's damage in both forms except the 2H L2 which will stay about the same or be a tiny bit stronger (not enough to matter). Because the weapon doesn't get hidden scaling modifiers like the tonitrus, even its 2H form is almost all physical damage other than the beams which are pure arcane. This means at the end of the day it's essentially just a str/skl quality weapon rivaling Ludwig's, but with a very specific gimmick that you can choose to focus on. This means unless you're actually going to use proper gems and play the weapon around its unique arcane ability, there's no reason to care about its arcane scaling. Focusing on it as a purely physical weapon still results in a very very strong weapon, with a 1H form that rivals Ludwig's damage but is capable of using a gun.

>>323519180
Never really touched the chalice dungeons outside of like the first few, is there really that many more bosses that are exclusive to them like that Watch Dog?

I just want some more interesting boss fights or at least ones that have good mechanics. Whether or not you think so, I thought Gascoigne was pretty ass due to the fact of how goddamn easy he is in his first two forms then becomes like an actual boss but on steroids for the last but can still use magic box to make that easy too.

I have 9 end and use the chicago no problems

>>323519568
There are about as many if not more exclusive Chalice Dungeon bosses than there are main game ones, and some of them have some heavy lore implications.

Chalice Dungeons have some unique boss fights, and one of the most unique ones you have to go through some serious bullshit to get to, just warning you now.

DLC has some really damn good bosses too with Maria and the last boss.

Just finished my first playthrough and started ng+.

What should I do now?

>>323519669
*tricks chikage*

>>323519318
A quality build nets you about 60 more physical AR than going, say, 30 str 50 arc. Nothing to sneeze at, but the lasers can really become your bread and butter against foes who like to retreat and heal, and the damage from the 2h trick blasts is actually quite good (the L2 doing easily over 1k damage) and hitting someone point blank with the blade and the beam with an R2 is devastating at 50 arc. The best part of the 60 AR trade is getting the most out of your hunter tools. Apamming blacksky eye when you're low on stamina keeps the pressure on them and off you while you retreat, and a laser can smack them down if they try to take the retreat as an opportunity to heal.

>>323519771
Damn, that's pretty awesome then. Is it possible to make a "Chalice" character so to speak? I know you can do them whenever but by the time I started doing them I just one shot pretty much everything.

>>323519568
The worst thing chalices do are:
>Reuse the Amygdala / Rom / Emissary /Ebrietas bosses
>Turn basic enemies like Silverbeast and Beast Possessed Soul into uninteresting bosses

A lot of the Chalice specific bosses are actually really fun. Pthumerian Descendant 2.0 was probably my favorite boss in the game.

>>323519995
Kill them all, revel in the bloodlust.

You really don't need more than 15 end on ANY build. Unless your an r1 spamming shitter there's no reason for it. You can just throw on a 20% rune for a boost. Yes I've made strength builds, no you don't need much end.

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>>323519771
Was they way the they implemented Cliche Dungeons the worst part of Bloorborne?

>>323519995
get those cup challenges

Level 57. Anyone wanna help me with club undead giant at depth 3?

>>323519995
Read the wiki, find out what you missed and go do it.

>>323519771
The Queen was a sweet fight from a style/uniqueness stand point, but nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, would have been worth the fucking hoop-jumping needed to get there.

Fuck chalice dungeons.

>>323520076
No, it's not. You wont be one-shotting the later Depths, trust me on this. Depths 1-3 are pretty easy regardless of level, but Depths 4 and 5, especially Defiled Chalice and the Great Pthumerian Islz or whatever it's called, you're gonna be getting almost one shot on some things with 50 Vit. Depths 4 and 5 are nightmares, especially the cursed variants, because it halves your hp, makes enemies stronger, and in some cases puts Bell Maidens in there for Invasions.

>Go to 40 end for my Skill character
>Dash around for days while my opponent needs to rest every 2 seconds
Endurance is a meme stat they said.

Stop min/maxing. Just play normally.

I'm level 157.

>>323520123
The worst? No. Chalice dungeons depth 1-3 were totally fucking pointless though. If it was only 4-5 then they would have been legitimately interesting.

I think the worst design choices in bloodborne are:
>The lack of a real tutorial for players unfamiliar with the series
>Making Arcane fucking terrible pre 70 points in the stat (DLC new spells also helped)
>Not being able to combine weak bloodgems into stronger ones
>Bloodgems not being interesting enough. +damage is better than anything else, so you simply need them to make your gear any good. They should have never put damage on gems, and just had them be used for putting interesting effects like adding status effects to your hits, health regen, or blood echo gains.

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>>323520082
WHAT IS A HUNTER? A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF INSIGHT! BUT ENOUGH TALK. HAVE AT YOU!

>>323511697
Watch some youtube vids. Makes it more do-able. Basically boils down to learning his pattern, always side-dodging, ALWAYS attacking his flanks (and only ever rarely his back) and playing pussy-foot for the first half. Second half is easy-peasy by comparison.

>>323520123
No, I think the Blood Gems are the worst implementation personally, especially with the lack of a search/sort function beyond just throwing them in storage. You have to go through tons of them to find the ones that are good against beasts, or kin, or straight physical attack. It's a mess.

I do wish the Chalice Dungeons were a bit more varied in layout and design though, they're all pretty much the same beyond a few random runs, such as the Guillotine Crossings, the outdoor area, the little bridge or poison rooms.
>>323520230
Only thing I had a problem with getting to her was Headless Bloodletting, that was a huge pain in the ass and Defiled Watch Dog, which I just switched to the Saw Spear for over Blades of Mercy and was fine.

I love the Queen fight though, reminds me of a mixture of Vergil mixed with DMC4 Dante with that Red Roses/Blood Weapon thing he gets from the Lava Demon.

Those fucking Hunter Hell Dogs though and huge packs of rats were some of the most annoying things ever though.

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>>323520082
>enter boss door
>man eater boar

So at what level should I stop leveling?

Who the fuck was it at fromsoft who thought that Crowsteel was an acceptable enemy? Why is this allowed?

>>323520718
100-110 if you want co-op and pvp with strangers.>>323520718

>>323520718
110 or 120 is good. Memelords from /vg/ say 98.

>>323520718
People typically stop at 120 so they can also PvP, but it really doesn't matter, level to whatever you want. Grinding becomes a pain in the ass outside of Chalice Dungeons or constant Mergo's Lost: Middle runs though at 125+.

>>323519669
that's because chicago only needs to do a single attack to be effective

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What is the best enemy and why is it the pigs granted eyes?

>>323520529
YOUR WORDS ARE AS EMPTY AS YOU DREAM. YHARNAM ILL NEEDS A HUNTER SUCH AS YOU!

>>323520957
trying to get that 15% bloodgem is stressful when the eye pigs can instakill with the charge

There is no debate
20/25 max, if you need more you can use runes
There's no reason to get 40 endurance unless you don't care about PvP and just want to max out every stat as you go through NG+

>>323520957
I hate those fucking pigs. Not because they're hard but because they're just so fucking loud. Everything about them is too loud. Same with those fucking witches. High volume SCREAM every time they die. Fucking why.

>>323508475
I'm leveling only
>Vitality
>Strength
I'm I doing it right?

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>>323521178
Nah anon, you want loud? Those fucking floppy crows

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>>323521178
>run past the pig in yharnam to get to father
>hear the REEEE all the way up the ladder

>>323521193
Unless you're using a weapon with no skill scaling, you'll want 25 skill as well. Even on super lop-sided weapons, getting a shitty scaling stat to 25 is equal or stronger than going above 25 on the good stat. Thus people often go 50/25 or 25/50.

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>>323520957
Best enemy is dark souls players incarnate.

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>have 50 ARC for my HMS build
>get the HMS
>it scales off of STR
>put ARC gems into it to switch the scaling
>it does even less damage

>>323521430
alrighty then. thanks m8o

>whirlzig main
>saw cleaver alt

Just got bloodborne and I'm getting fucked up by this creepy atmosphere
Every corner seems to have something pop out of it
Streets of Yharnam are full of fuckers who are blocking my way and rush me up the ass
How do I get good

>>323521768
Some brave soul needs to cosplay that handsome fellar.

>>323521771
The moonlight greatsword was such a disappointment in BB. Should have been quality str/arc where every attack scales off both.

>>323521802
oh gosh, that feeling never leaves you. NG++++ that vibe still lingers and you get a sense of dread.

>>323521802
don't get greedy with attacks
upgrades are important but don't skimp on levels
trying to trade hits with enemies is basically always a bad idea
if you don't know what to do with echoes just buy blood vials

>15-20 Endurance is enough

I... I get to respec right?

>>323521802
There is pretty much no poise in this game, don't be afraid to attack first for most humanoid enemies, at least for the villagers. Also get used to dodging and using your gun for ranged parries, the game is pretty much a spiritual successor to the Souls games rather than being one so get used to playing differently.

>>323521943
>always play through Dark Souls 1 with a magic claymore
>bloodborne dlc finally adds in a magic claymore

Best weapon ever.

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>>323521802
>pebbles are your friends
And I mean this seriously. Especially if you're having a hard time early on, use them to draw enemies in one at a time. Much earlier to take down large groups and to learn their movements

>>323522056
>don't get greedy with attacks
>in a game with a mechanic made specifically for getting greedy with attacks

>>323522148
or you could just use ludwigs meme blade with elemental gems?

>>323522059
Nope~

>>323521802
I started playing recently, too. I learned that you gotta be more aggressive compared to Souls games.

I don't particular like this aggressive play, because I tend to fight an enemy type without ever seeing all its attacks

>>323522162
well its just that some enemies have such little stagger time that they can hit out of r1 spam, especially bosses

>>323522159
>pebbles

Learned this early, thankfully.

Father Glasscock was one tough tutorial boss. I just used oil and molotovs to kill his beast form. Felt cheap, but fuck it

>>323522475
What's funny is that Gascoigne has Pursuer sydrome: He's a hard boss to fight one on one at that point in the game but if you learn to parry them they become a joke.

>>323522475
he's pretty much a boss that teaches two things: parrying & weakness exploits

>>323522345
>AWAY! AWAY!
>You Died

>>323508475
Currently at Mensis but that's because I can't beat Ebrietas in the Upper Cathedral Ward. Any tips? I've read that you have to get close to proc a slam attack, but then I'm so close I can't accurately read its animations

>>323522561
>>323522624
I tried a bunch of times to parry, I figured it didn't work. Fought him normally, attacking when he's vulnerable and such.

>>323522729
If you're having a tough time doing it, you can try baiting his roll attack and shooting when you see him roll, it pretty much parries every time if you watch for it.

Just letting everyone know that I am the best at this and all other games.

Especially Bloodborne.

Never died once, achieved everything, unlocked all, and took nearly no damage throughout.

I am the Ultimate Professional Gamer.

Also
I am the PvP nightmare that wrecks you when I invade your game.

Don't cry too hard, Anons.
Just know Justice is here.

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I use 15 endurance, you literally don't need anything more than that.

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>>323522880

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>needing lots of end when there is no such thing as EQUIP LOAD

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>don't have iframes when you're knocked out and on the ground
>every enemy has a multi-hit combo
nice game

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>>323522880
That's nice.

>>323523113
>Getting hit
>When your dodges have pretty much iframes for the whole duration and move you extremely fast

>>323521771
See

>>323520056
And build accordingly.
Arcane gems do not chane its scaling because it does have natural acane damage. Note that tricked hms does gain damage from Arcane.

The ideal gems for HMS are nourishing on a lost variant.

>>323523113
I swear every enemy that has an attack that knocks you down specifically has a ground smash.

>>323522687
The only really dangerous thing she does is the charge, and often that only kills because people try to dodge it when there's no way to and end up eating big counter-hit damage instead of just standing still and taking it.

She's weak to pierce and bolt and nearly as weak to fire as bolt. A weapon like ludwig's or the axe can probably just smack her in the face to death with L2 swings, since she takes a lot more damage there and falls over for viscerals because of it. If you get to her side, she can't really do anything but re-position, and if you can get behind her in-between her tentacles you can actually get stuck in there while she spins giving you tons of free hits on her. Like a lot of bosses, she can't really do much if you're capable of dodging through her swings and hugging her body hitting her. Staying away from her is the worst thing to do, other than trying to dodge a charge at a range where you know it's going to hit anyway.

>>323522561
>>323522624
>>323522729
I just started playing this a couple days ago. Is parrying the thing where you shoot them right when they attack and then get a visceral attack in?

>>323523407
Yes, that's generally what's called parrying in Souls games, I'm not sure what it's actual name is in Bloodborne.

>>323520529
>>323521001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bPIFuIl9U
I think the fire mage version of him is more fun to fight

>>323522162
That's the point.

Getting greedy is even more tempting than Dark Souls, which means you need to know when it's safe to try get health back or retreat and use a vial.

>>323523574
it's just called staggering in the tutorial messages, i don't think they ever use the word parry

>>323523727
I guess because it doesn't really make sense to call it a parry, but it's just what it's been called throughout the series.

>Hold weapon when two hands
>Blood vial

I can't get used to this

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>>323523224

>>323516348
>>323516167
>>323515672
>>323515123

Read the spark hunter badge for Paarl's origins

>>323515021
meme sword is boring just go pure strength and use whirligig or axe or ayy arm

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>>323521178
>>323520957
>>323521112
>>323521381
PIGS

>>323513679
you just proved yourself wrong with that image

>15 million different side areas =/= not linear

in fact forbidden woods is often criticized for this

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How much Skill is enough for a Bowblade build?

I honestly just want to be a Quincy, so right now I have 18 Skill and 32 Bloodtinge.

>>323525712
Base requirements. BLT increases bow, SKL is for blade.

>>323525074
Can you aggro the pyro student girl?
Is she Jester Thomas tier?

20-25 vit, 15 end is plenty for NG.

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anyone else have playtime with the doll?

Fuck Blood-starved Beast's grab. I'm doing fine the whole fight but one fucking grab

why was balthier from FFXII waiting for you at the nightmare of menses after the spiders?

>>323515567
he isn't the only one pumpin levels so hes bound to get people regardless.

people still play a build past ng++

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>>323527095
I wish she didn't have that horrible accent. What is that Russian? Ukrainian? I don't know, it's terrible.

>>323529714
Umbasan

Personally, I feel it's world's better than some shitty, overused-to-sound-cool UK accent

>>323529807
I don't know man.I don't like it. Especially when she says ''strength''. It irks me. The way she says it.

>>323530267
you're just a huge faggot with shit taste

Which warp point has easy access to birds? I need Antidotes

>>323531345
Great Bridge.

>>323532030
What about before Blood-starved Beast?

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Could need some advice, cant beat these guys alone

>inb4 omg u suckkkk

Well Ive watched someone beating them on first playthrough and they die by one visceral attack but I need 3 or 4 for one guy, while the other rape my ass with magic


And the prison guy wont let me in cause I gave him the wrong answer, is that irreversable ?

>>323533956
Use pellets, avoid getting swarms by circling around the thing in the middle and picking off loners.

>>323533956
TONITRUS
Why is my weaponfu the least used weapon in the game?

>>323534843
>>323535179
will try, thanks

>Ascend to Oedon

What did he mean by this?

Where do I go after Blood-starved Beast

>>323514318
>having arms and eyes
Plebs all of you

>>323536035
Oedon's imaginary bumhole you queer

>>323512669
Dark Soul's levels were mostly even more linear, each one just connected to more areas.

Bloodborne has less connectivity between areas, but the individual levels are, in my opinion, better designed since all except 2 had only one lamp and relied on looping design to remain playable.

In Dark Souls they just gave you a bonfire if it had been too long without one. In fact number of bonfires is usually a direct indicator of how well a DaS level is designed.

Undead Burg has one bonfire despite being spread over 3 levels and quite large, good design means you are never far from anywhere once you've opened all the doors.

Demon Ruins has 3 Bonfires because it's shit and the devs were nice enough to give the player enough checkpoints so they didn't have to retread through the copy pasted early-game bosses.

Bloodborne (mostly) gets away with having 1 lamp per level (not counting Boss lamps) and makes the "checkpoints" natural parts of the level design. It's more like Demons Souls.

>>323536035
Oeden Chapel is the cathedral with Gilbert. You go up a ladder and a bunch of stairs to get there.

Go back there and look for some open doors.

>>323536035
Back to Oedon Chapel, a door that was previously locked is now open.

They really should have made BSB drop the key, so you'd have some idea where to go. Having the door magically open with no explanation and expecting the player to know where to go is pretty dumb.

>>323536330
> Gilbert

No, Gilbert is the sick guy near the start of Central Yharnam. The guy in the chapel is unnamed.

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>>323536398
>The game should hold my hand
>FUCK exploration

Get a load of this nigger

>>323536490
Oh yeah, my bad.

>>323514016
Fuck Laurence. I feel he does far more damage than he should.

>>323521943
I thought that's exactly what it is

>>323537214
Agreed. I did the DLC on NG+ with 30 VIT and I was doing okay with everything. Orphan took a bit but didn't hit nearly as hard as laurence did.

>>323536330
>>323536398
Nevermind, I got bagged

>Have to go through two loading screens to respawn enemies

Might as well just die if I'm going to farm

>>323527095
:3

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I got to Fishing Hamlet today
this place is atmospheric as fuck I love it. those whale headed fuckers keep killing me though

>>323539185
this, and they arent even that expensive
I think 10 is near 10,000 echoes, if you're farming in mensis with the 3 moon runes you get almost twice that for each pig

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Ludwig and Ebrietas are kicking my ass, what do? I have 20 vit, 20 end, 10 str, 25 skl, 10 blt and 10 arc, using Burial Blade and Rifle Spear.

>>323540934
>20 VIT
Found your problem.

>>323540964
What's a good number of vit for those two assholes?

>>323541784
30 with a 10% hp rune seems to be okay.

>>323540934
>>323540964
>>323541914
>Leveling Vit

Vitality is for people who get hit

>>323512453

No. No it is not. By your logic, using fucking gamesharks are legit