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I guess you could say that modders are entitled now lmao

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I guess you could say that modders are entitled now

lmao
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>>292601985
GIB LINK OP!
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Oh no we missed out on a kingofblahs classic.
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>inb4 someone links that psychological study
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mCJQCuVNfE
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atleast one good thing came out of this mess and that is shining a light on which modders are self-entitled greedy shills
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>>292602095
Which one?

>implying people wouldn't donate if it was good enough
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Hey guys, I made this really cool thing, but you can't have it! nananana! You mad? :^)
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>>292601985
I'm pretty sure this dude is the biggest troll out of this whole thing.

If so - Props to him cause everyone took the bait. If not... No one gives a fuck about your shit mod we probably wouldn't have used anyway.

Meanwhile - I'll continue to remake Marie for every fucking game and software I own and upload her everywhere.
For free.
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>>292602105
>you will never be this assblasted

Modders have suddenly think they're ever going to make modding into a job
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>>292602780
Did they actually change it from "earn a living" (I actually remember reading that) to "earn some money"? That's fucking embarrassing.
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>>292602778
Good. I love that little whore.
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>>292602778
You are a good man. Keep it up anon.
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https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197966661634/posthistory/


lel
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>>292602778
Your loss, chump.
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>>292602778
who is this wang waxer
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>>292603124
Just a guy who rips models for XNALara/MMD and does some other random shit.

I don't think I'll ever get a quality Marie in Skyrim though. I spent hours on this shit and it's still so far off.
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this guy is 31 years old according to his whiny, long posts

What a little bitch
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So we're deprived of a mod for a game that's inherently shit?

How is this a problem?
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>>292603849
Dead, forgotten and buried game at that, the elder scrolls series is such shit and I don't know why skyrim got so popular with the normies, maybe because of all memes
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>>292601985
0 fucks given
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>>292602105
>All that heavy breathing inbetween every 5-6 words

How fat is this guy
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>>292602645
Not him, but probably the one about wifi being available on a flight where, when the wifi was announced to not be working after all, people became increasingly irate about the service, despite never having used it and never having had or heard of it before
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>my SUPER AWESOME mod is totally a real thing, I'm not an idea guy I swear
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>>292601985
He's lying.
If he actually created a mod, he could just sell it anywhere he wanted.
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>>292602778
God's work, anon.
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>>292605449
What
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Why are modders so entitled?
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>>292605620
>put it on website
>sell it there
Because no one can sell digital goods on the internet without steam. Ever.
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>>292601985
Do we have any proof this mod even exists?
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>>292605664
But that's illegal
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Paying for mods is like paying for DLC.
Except with no quality assurance or testing.

GEE
I WONDER
WHY
PEOPLE
DON'T
LIKE
THe
IDEA
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>Social Butterfly
this is clearly a bait and you all took it lmao
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>>292605702
>make a digital thing
>selling it is illegal
What.
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hey guys I was gonna create Skyrim 2 as a mod, but I wont anymore because it has to be free now
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>>292605710
because their entitled shitlords
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>>292605785
Yes, selling a mod for a game without the right holders permission is illegal
What do you think the whole 'huge cut goes to Bethdesda part was for
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If you guys hadn't canned the paid mods I was going to make a mod where you could have a dog but he will be so much more than a normal pet. He will, for instance, bark when you least expect it.

You could play the game 100 times and have an entirely different experience and I was going to set it up so the game can monitor how often you turn to your left or right while walking, running, or just spinning in place. The gamer's subconscious decision to turn one way more than the other will be reflected in the character model as one side of his body becomes much more muscular than the other.

You can construct a rocket out of fallen trees and then launch that rocket into outer space with dynamite and have outer space adventures with a laser gun that you find in space.

But NO you don't want to do anything, thanks for that.
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>>292601985
At least this whole debacle has cemented my opinion that modders are children with egos
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>>292605826
Sounds dumb. Who would pay money for something this retarded?
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>>292602937
>Whore
I'll fucking cut you.
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>>292605841
Well, not all of them, but this whole mess had drawn the ones with the biggest egos out of their holes. Can you imagine what they must feel right now? Trying to cash in on mods and they ended up with nothing but a trashed reputation.
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I was going to make a mod that turned Skyrim into a good game. Now Skyrim will stay doomed forever.

Thanks Origin shills.
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>>292605913
Fable 2 sold pretty well
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>earn a living
>everyone immediately lulz as they point out modders would have to be outrageously successful to even make a pittance

>change wording to EARN SOME MONEY
>laugh at Valve harder because those faggots are taking all the money with less than a 1% chance your mod will be successful enough to even do anything besides make a few spare bucks for Valve and Bethesda, especially once the marketplace began getting flooded with cheap shit and scam mods
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>>292603995
Quite seriously, a HUGE number of those faggots haven't even played the game. When I was in university I remember frequently hearing about how "epic" and "badass" Skyrim was from people who had played it in the area of zero to fifteen minutes in the two to three years that they had owned the game.
It blows my mind.
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>>292602778
You're a good guy, guy.

>>292601985
This mod sounds like stupid bullshit. Weird and inconsistent profession names, and "real objectives" in Skyrim of all things.
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>>292605930
It's pretty hilarious that it's the modders that were stealing assets and shit that are moaning the loudest, while the ones that were working hard in the background barely peaked up from their code to realise this happened.

Literal line drawn in the sand now. Theres good ones and bad ones, and holy hell the bad ones will never work as legitimate programmers after this hissy fit
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>>292606006
They want to fit in.

If it was considered cool and epic to have read Foucault they would pretend to have read him too, just like hipsters do.
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>>292604270
I always thought it was to emphasize in what one's saying. I never thought of it this way.
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>>292602778
Please post more Marie with that collar, friend.
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Is he even relevant in the modding community?
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>>292605931
I was going to make a mod that made skyrim good, youre infringing on my hypothetical intellectual property, I'm suing you.
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>>292601985

> All those claims

:^)
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>>292606210
>Is he even relevant in the modding community?

Whenever you can ask yourself this question the answer is most likely "no".
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>>292601985
Do you see what you have done Gaben?
Do you see what your shit has caused?

Thanks for enabling this type of behavior from modders.
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>>292606053
This is the main reason I cannot condone the act of selling mods.

Even if I needed the money which I can understand a lot of modders are students etc... Shits just wrong. Make something original if you want money. Don't fucking mooch off someone else's work.

>>292606029
I try to do my part to keep the master race as well, you know the master race. Couple more weeks and I'll try and upload my master marie pack... Hopefully I stop running into rigging issues.

Her hair also likes to duplicate the pony tails which is fucking weird.

So far I've made my own ports fully rigged for XNALara, MMD, Skyrim (Kind of? Working on this as it will include it's own custom body/textures etc)

I'll be churning out the outfits asap once I've got the body & face done.

Any other game requests that there isn't already a decent Marie mod for?
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>>292601985

>oh man I was going to make this big gigantic mod it was going to change the way you play the game and I really was going to release a finished version unlike 95% of mods :^)
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A lot of modders aren't people with careers or people who generated a large income. Honestly dollar signs flashed in their eyes when they heard this and now they are pouting because all the stuff they imagined buying is gone.
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>>292606204
This is her standard outfit :)

I've got the white suit done for XNA but that program is glitching the ever loving fuck out since I updated some drivers.
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>>292606510
> :)
My friend
no.
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All this Marie is putting me in the mood for some 2.5D. Time to boot up AA2.
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>>292602778
Marie Rose is cute! Cute!
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>>292606510
>This is her standard outfit :)

I thought it was her standard outfit minus the outfit. Oh well!
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if you want to make money just make a good mod and start a patreon, if the mod is good, people will chip in and throw a couple of bucks your way.

And wasnt modding always more about getting experience in coding and that
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>>292601985
Oh shit, I always wanted to play as a Master Merchant, Archer and Barbarian in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Fuck you guys, your entitlement caused this.
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>>292602778
You're amazing anon.
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>>292606053
That's basically it. There are people outed now that are never going to be taken seriously ever again, and all over ZERO profit. As much as I hate Valve and Bethesda starting this mess in the first place, I fucking love the entertainment they gave us from within the modding community.
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>>292601985
modding...modding has changed.
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building experience
making industry connections
having fun
improving a game you like

it was never about monetization

do you think those guys who are modding Thief: The Dark Project for the last 15 years expected to make money off of doing it? nah, they just fucking loved the shit out of some Thief. if they were in it for money they would've been like those shitty devs who made Thi4f.
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Thank you for successfully weeding out the bad seeds in the modding community Gaben.
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>>292606860
Modding... modding never changes.
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>>292606907
I had faith in Gaben, I knew he had a masterplan from the start, you don't get to be filthy rich without being smart
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>>292605710
Expecting your games to work is pretty fucking ableist anon.
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>>292602105
>globalwarmingsceptic

I ain't even surprised.
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>>292607240
>Believes that global warming is caused by humans
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>>292601985
>asking money for your work = entitlement
>wanting others' work for free = normal
My head hurts.
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>>292606907
>Thank you for successfully weeding out the bad seeds in the modding community Gaben.
Was this all part of an epic ruse?

GAAAAAAABBBBEN!!!
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>>292601985

Seeing someone get denied of their shekels is more satisfying
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>>292606751
Funny thing is... I'm really not.

I learned to do pretty much all of this off reading some pretty basic tutorials for the software required and took it from there.

Which is a big part of why I hate the concept of paid modding. Who the hell would post a guide to teach new people to get into this if they new it'd mean more competition?


Also MMD is playing strangely well with Marie's clothing on my first run thru of rigging the outfit. This shit just doesn't happen it's going too well.

Something is going to break, I know it.
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>would
>will

LOL. I've seen projects of the greatest mods on earth that WOULD be awesome too. Nobody cares about some would-be project.
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>>292605710
Pretty much.

The true "paid mods" in the gaming world, the products that originated from mods such as TF2, CS, GM, DayZ etc - have continuing development and support by paid professionals, which justify their price as they are no longer amateur products, but professional products.

Modders are like the old school olympic athletes, which were amateurs. Being a professional athlete was considered boorish and against the spirit of competition (this was quickly followed by almost everyone, but specifically the Russians, going against the spirit of competition - the reason the "miracle on ice" is such a big deal, for example, is that the US team were amateurs whereas the russians had their "amateurs", who were "conscripts", focus 100% of their time on training and practicing hockey).
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>>292601985
>social butterfly

???
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>>292607305
this. global warming is happening because gay marriages are legal now, its gods way of saying we fucked up
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>>292607308
>asking for said money is illegal in this case
>asking for money in a community where everything everyone else does is free

>Expecting everything to be free as it the only legal way to do it unless it's dlc from a company.
>Expecting to pay for some mod in steam workshop where everything is expected to be free
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>>292607368
>Funny thing is... I'm really not.

he was being sarcastic. You're autistic as fuck.
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>>292607368
Best part about MMD: The ease of use and "it just werks!" factor.

Worst part about MMD: Really unfitting jpop and vocaloid to lewd videos. There's fitting music and there's not, come on weebs.
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>>292602778
What games have you released her for? Or are working on?
Because I will buy them all, you hold a great power here
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>>292607457
>asking for said money is illegal in this case
Nope.

And who are you to decide for him ?
You don't like it so it should be tore down and destroyed ? You know who also acts like that ?
I'll leave the answer to your imagination.
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>>292607438
You're still factoring in the human involvement anon you silly goose
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>>292607578
Then take your "mod" to somewhere other than steam workshop you retard
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Just add a donation button to everything on the workshop.
There done you did it and if anybody gets mad at that then fuck you.
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>>292607587
god wouldnt punish humans unless we did something wrong, and all this gay marriage stuff is getting out of hand
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>social butterfly
>profession

He could have added "modder" as a profession too.
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>>292607675
God is punishing us because you masturbate at night.
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>>292607725
>He could have added "modder" as a profession too.

Would be too obvious.
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>>292607642
Because you don't like it and used mob tactictis to to deny the modders the opportunity ?
Again, I see a similiar pattern here.
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>>292607736
I've never masturbated because its filthy
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>>292601985
so what we should call this civil war? modders and entitled free mod people are going to fight over this long time
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>>292607736
I must be causing all those earthquakes in japan because I fap to loli doujins
Thanks, I feel powerful now
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>>292601985

That mod sounds like complete shit.
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>>292607675
God does as he will, he punishes people as he see fit, even if they do wrong or good you stupid fuck.

And god hasn't anything to do with global warming, and neither does mankind
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>>292607542
Nothing 100% done yet - For now I was making a PMD and XPS version of the model for other modders to do that themselves.

I will be working on a Skyrim version - But that is a whole other project and has quite a ways to go still. It'll be on the lab once it's done for the Skyrim version as it will include a custom body and I'd rather avoid the nexus shit storm for now.

Once I'm satisfied -IE all the issues are fixed- I'll release all the files. If it's easy to do, I'll even take some requests for games to mod her into.


>Found a problem - Fucking seams above the eyes. BACK TO BLENDER KIDS.
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>>292607457
>>asking for said money is illegal in this case
>>asking for money in a community where everything everyone else does is free
Of course everyone else does it for free when the alternative is illegal
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>>292607948
keep believing that, enjoy hell you homo lover
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>>292607308
It's not about wanting others' work for free, anon.

It's about keeping the _hobby_ free and open for everyone, without having it ruled by profit interests and "support my patreon for the next update". Modding is a hobby. It is not a job. It is something you do because you enjoy it, not because you want to become rich. It is not a primary profession.

Some mods become so succesful that they can then be developed into commercial products. This is rare, especially outside of Half-Life mods, and the only Skyrim mod that really comes close is SkyUI, which probably should have been adapted by Bethesda in the first place.

Having paid mods is just opening up a can of worms that no-one wants. What happens if someone makes a competing mod? Do you DMCA them for "copyright infringement"?
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>I'll be the only one playing

This guy is such an attwhore that even if this was real I highly doubt that.
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>modders started out doing it because of their passion for the game
>release it for free because they love the game and want people to see and enjoy their work
>did it in their spare time for fun
>if they stopped working on it, someone else could pick it up and carry on
>open source, free
>huge sense of community
>this happened for 10 years
>minecraft comes along
>mod makers turn into entitled cry babies
>crying about how their mod is "copyrighted" and that people distributing it is 'stealing'
>valve comes along
>starts charging for mods
>all the entitled cry baby mod makers start backstabbing and stealing from each other just to make a few measy cents
>no quality control
>just put any old shit out and people will be stupid enough to buy it

What the fuck happened to mods?
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>>292607960
Forgot the image.

>>292607505
Can't argue there. It's such a great platform with so many resources that it's a real shame not many people make non complete weaboo shit with it.

There are some PVs I've really liked of course as well as some skits that were really well done or parodied.


>>292607484
You're hearing the sarcastic tone though font, yet I'm autistic. Damn son, my mind is blown right now.
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>>292607960
Shit storm should be avoidable if you just use a comparison picture for default body's proportions and UNP proportions, since she does have boobs and has a pretty serious ass and hips.
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>>292601985
anyone actually believe that story? Why is this being posted?
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>>292607985
Weak trolling m8, still funny you actually believe in global warming, I bet that's why you rather live at home than get a work at burger king
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Every year I sink more and more into /vr/ as I realise this industry isn't for me anymore.

Plus there's no money in mods for old games, only really great free content.
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>>292608049
You have no right to decide for others.
I don't care how pretty and idealistic you make it
You, do not, have, the, right.
If you think someone's work ought to be free than take up the tools and create something equivalent and give it to the community, DO NOT force people to be your slaves, if they want to monetize fucking let them.
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>>292608183
i believe in god, nothing else
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>>292605785
you can make "donations" on your page and doenload area for people who donated.
That's how many mod makers gain money in 200x
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>>292608159
because he made follow up video
>>292602105
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>>292608127
This is a shop right? Such high quality models don't work in MMD.
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>>292607484
I wasnt sarcastic, faggot
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I'll make my own mod! With blackjack! And hookers!
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>>292608275
Nope, this is not a shop.
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>>292608258
he didnt show anything related to the mod.
seems like people are just giving the shill the attention he wanted.
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>>292601985
>Be shitty modder
>never made anything in my life
>have no ideas on balance, quality, animation, modeling or scripting
>"oh hey Valve's letting me do early access mods for cash? Amazing!"
>all those suckers who will buy my mod and I get money for the beta of a mod
>suddenly community outcry
>Valve kills my jewery in conception
>ANTI SEMITES WHINEY GAMER SHITLORDS
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>social butterfly
>profession

It's even easier for chads to make a living these days.
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>>292608220
Good thing it was the modders screaming the most about how wrong paid mods actually was.
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>>292608498
Thats amazing, I have never seen high quality models as this. Are there other models from DOA besides her?
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Once Valve reenables paid mods I will make a working SkyrimXP and sell it for 2 bux
>implying there is a woring one atm
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>>292608220
the way you put an entire sentence in commas made be hear that idiocy as being said by some middle aged, feminist, save the niggers in africa cunt.
into the trash it goes
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>>292601985
>http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197966661634
>+100 games
>700 hrs into skyrim 100 playtime hrs last week
>2 friends
>that post
autism spotted
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>>292604283
Wait a minute
That was Louis CK bit
Was he literally in a psychological experiment without knowing it? That's badass
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>>292608654
This is my own export - I'm sure I am not the only one who has done this.

I know for a fact there is another Marie Rose MMD port but it's very unfinished and has a lot of issues so I chose to do my own.
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I'm just waiting for this whole situation to blow over.
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>>292608512
why do jews wear little wooden blocks?? on their heads and wrap their arms with leather straps???
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>>292601985
So he created the mod with the sole intent of making money through it? No thanks, I don't want to play a mod that's soulless cashgrab.

Also none of the mods that included "skipping the intro sequence" worked for me, so I wouldn't want to pay for it only to have it crash all the time either.
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>>292608506
hence the dislikes
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>>292602645
The one about the block shapes and the group that was offered money to build shapes at first, later lost interest on the activity once payment was ended. Other group kept on making elaborate shapes for the sake of group interest even though they never got any money.
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>>292603607
This one is pretty good except for the makeup
http://jonlangthang.tumblr.com/post/90646459726/marierose-follower
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>>292602778
The savior video games need, I'll fap in your honor this day anon.
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>>292608602
Because apparently if you dared to speak in favour you would get linched publicly.

>>292608723
Nice way of proving you have no arguments.
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>>292607201
Step off, shitlord. I have a severe shift key disability. Didn't you see my lower case e when I meant to type an upper case E? How dare you oppress me. You should apologize to me by donating to my patreon.
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>>292608814
Ah ok, thanks for the info. Nice work porting because it looks great.
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>>292607948

>And god hasn't anything to do with global warming, and neither does mankind

>mfw you probably seriously believe this

I can't believe shit that is grade school tier science knowledge defies so many Americans.
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>>292608897
Cutting-edge waifu simulator.
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Did he forget the point of mods, from a modder perspective? Its free because they're basically practice for real shit, they don't have to provide support, or even be responsible for if their shit works, and they're supposed to be for fun and sharing, not profit.

It seems to me that game companies realized if they allowed modders to charge for shit made with their tools, they could take a cut of that and increase revenue
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>>292609059
>mfw you probably seriously believe this
WHERE'S YOUR FUCKING FACE EUROPOOR WHERE IS IT?
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>>292602105
>league of legends
INTO THE FUCKING TRASH IT GOES
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>>292608753
He's also had an account for 10 years, yet doesn't even have an avatar. Looks like he's actually using Steam for playing games and ignoring all the pointless bullshit on the client. IMO that's a positive thing rather than autism.
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>>292609059
Could be worse, my dad wishes global warming was real because he thinks it'll bring jesus back faster.
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>>292601985

What a way to get yourself blown the fuck out by the modding scene.
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>>292608837
joke religion
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>>292601985
>I had all this amazing shit, to bad you nerds never get it hahahaha
>No proof of any of it actually existing he was just being a salty idea guy.
Nothing of value was lost.
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>>292601985
Let's see you could do a donate button or a patreon, and instead of a measly 25% you could get a full amount of money but nah fuck that. Why are some modders so retarded?

Why would you even want money from modding anyways if you want to earn real cash make vidya you second rate hacks. Leave modding to the spirited individuals who actually care about that games community
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>>292609447
Isn't that a bit redundant?
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>>292603607
Anon, that actually looks pretty good.
Well in my opinion.

But you're doing god's work, thank you.
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>>292608897
Yeah I had found this before - It's good but not quite right. She doesn't have that innocent look that we all know and love Marie for.

>>292608980
Fap long and hard anon.


>>>292609040
Thanks! I'm looking forward to finishing this project with her various outfits. It's just fun to watch it all slowly coming together heh.

Though I have a feeling I'll get a bit distracted playing around with the new racing miku 2015 model next week.
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>>292601985
>I had this GREAT IDEA for a mod and now you faggos can't have it :^D
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>>292605972
Is that all shit that seriously happens in Fable 2?
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>>292609531
Donating isn't really a likely solution. Most people won't take the time to endorse the mods they like let alone donate to them.

I don't agree with the paid modding as I've said plenty of times. I can just tell you from personal experience as I used to have a site with a donate box for my model conversion etc...

50k+ downloads, zero donations. No big deal but from that stand point I can tell you, people are too lazy for that shit.
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>>292608220
Look, I found the SJW shill
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>>292608498
>no gay marie sex with hats on

step it up tengu
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>>292609129
Don't put every mod in the same basket, there are some great mods that made with more care than the devs ever would.
I don't mind people asking money for their work, I won't buy them but the thing is, I just don't want beth/valve to get any cent out of that.

We paid for the full game which included the SDK, mods were made, patches broke them many times, but people kept modding and it probably helped sell a shitload of copies. Valave and Beth already got their cut out of the modding community.
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>>292609815
They could always go with the slider option when downloading mods with free being an option, it would give people a lot more to think about whenever they checkout.
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>35 hours in adventure capitalist
OY VEY
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>>292608220
Sure, I'll pay for it when it's not amateur hour bullshit with no quality assurance.
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>>292602778
That's why donate button is much better. Because I actually would donate to people like you. Who is not manchildren buttblasted mod creaters like those steamfags
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>>292602780
how could anyone earn a living with such a small cut?
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>>292602778
Would you take donations? I don't even think I'll be using this in anything myself but I feel like you deserve a few bucks for not being a little bitch piece of shit.
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>>292610135
I believe they're paid with steambux as well. So how would you live on that?
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>>292610018
That could work - But I think a big problem is for some users will be the number of mods some of us use in our games.

The games are expensive enough if you're buying them right at launch. I don't think it'll do any good for the gaming industry as a whole to allow this.

Modding is a lot bigger than just Skyrim, I'd hate to see these trends fall into places that I create content for.


>>292609950
Don't sexualize the Marie. q_q
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>>292610214
Maybe you shouldn't believe and repeat everything you read from a random anon on /v/
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>>292610151
I do this for fun and to learn. People enjoying the things I'm working on, or utilizing them in projects of their own is plenty for me.

The thought is appreciated though!
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>>292610309
I ain't know shit about this, nor do I claim to.
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My biggest is issue is mod compatibility at the moment of purchase and over time, what if an update breaks it and it's never fixed? What if it conflicts with another paid mod, now I have to choose between one or mods that I paid for. What about quality over time if the author gets complacent or lazy? The QA would have been a nightmare.
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>>292601985
>doing it for one of two things...the donations or recognition of the community

Yeah maybe that's the problem, maybe if you were making mods cos you have a love for whatever game your modding and they actually implemented a better donation system there wouldn't be a problem.
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>>292601985
>I made a super awesome amazing mod and I'm not sharing it!!
>I-I-I'm definitely not a liar guiz!!!
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>>292602105
>I'll make a video
>and still not show this amazing 10/10 would buy mod
>That'll show them
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I just took a massive shit, but because of all the kiddies on 4chan I am the only one who will be enjoying the smell.

Sorry kiddos, but I am not doing this for free. Nothing personnel :^)
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>>292602105

is this fat faggot sitting in a computer cafe or something?
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>meanwhile at kingofblahs home
https://youtu.be/sVXnoanopzA
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>>292610418
They would have been paid out in cash. The deal was they get a 25% cut of profits if their sales were to exceed $400 USD per month.

The major flaw here is that the vast number of modders who sold content would never exceed that $400 thresh hold at all - Let alone do it on a monthly basis.

Probability would have Valve/Beth taking 100% of the profits from most modders all the time, the exceptional few would make a buck for a couple of months while their projects were fresh.

I understand the community backlash, I expected it. I'm not sure how anyone DIDN'T expect it especially the modders themselves.

They are clearly out of touch with their peers if they couldn't see the result being what it was.
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I never really had a problem with the idea of paid mods, but Valve implemented it clumsily. There was virtually no warning, just one day, poof, now there are mods you have to pay for, and frankly none of them looked significantly better than a free mod. I wondered, "What exactly am I paying for? I'm all for supporting mod developers with donations, but now that it's a product, how am I supposed to value it compared to all the other free mods?"

I mean Valve said it themselves: Skyrim already had a very large, very successful modding community, where some devs were already being supported by donations. Throwing paid mods into the mix didn't feel like another way to support mod developers, it felt like it was making people pay for something that was free everywhere else.

I suppose for better or for worse, the consumer has never forgiven the first man who filled up a bottle of tap water and sold it for a dollar and fifty cents.
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>>292602105
>You DODO good work around here
>I deserve money
>*heavy breathing*
>I DO deserve money
>*blubbering*
>GIVE ME MONEY!
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>>292601985
>social butterfly
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>>292602105
BAWWW I CAN'T GET MY 5 DOLLARYDOOS NOW DAMN KIDS
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>>292601985
>no sex slave
D R O P P E D
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>>292606167
It's because he's just fucking rambling about shit and is constantly thinking of what to say next, this shit is annoying to listen to and no one will fucking get his point because he can't fucking get it across in a clear cut manner he has to ramble on and take 15 minutes to say what would take anyone who knows how to fucking talk properly 2 minutes.

Not only does he still not show his amazing mod but he only harms himself by making himself look like a deranged retard who doesn't know what they are talking about.
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>>292610579
I think from the point of the modder, or in anyone in the position to up and be able to make money all of a sudden, I don't think they ever stopped and thought about it from the view of the community. They just saw money, especially those that were filling the workshop with crap to try and make something. I won't blame them for something happens in other industries as well. The modders that suddenly thought they were going to get away with charging for free mods were completely crazy. They were the ones that shot them in the foot. I think there's a way this system could work, with some sort of approval system before they would be able to sell a mod. I guess a greenlight for mods, but it's all complete shit anyways.
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Holy shit just look at the rest of that mongoloid's videos.
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>>292601985
>developing a mod in less than a week, wanting money for it and live from it
>thinks he won't get donations
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>>292608114
modders didn't become entitled cry babies with minecraft you bubbleblasted nigger.
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Ever notice how fat, entitled people with a low level of intelligence always think they are being scathing as fuck by calling people "kids", more than likely owing to they themselves being called manchildren on more than a few occasions and feeling hurt by the connotations that they are not acting their age?

Feels like it immediately invalidates ANY complaint, personal attack or rebuttal because it's clear it's being used as an insult only because it's something which the author personally considered offensive, and they wouldn't find it offensive unless they had issues with being called a child because it hits too close to home.
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>>292611150
>developing a mod
He probably made that shit up for the sake of his argument.
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>>292611185

And why is that? I've been following the minecraft mod scene since the early days of tekkit and the amount of autistic entitled retards in that scene is just incredible.
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I was gonna mod gta v. I was gonna model the entire earth, including every human and animal, in 1:1. Essentially a real life simulator. I have already started and was planning on publish the first early access mod build ($1.99) today. But that will not happen now. All because a bunch of entitled gamers who want everything for free. I'll keep this mod for myself.
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>>292611150
Would YOU donate to that guy, even if his mod didn't sound like complete shit?
>social butterfly
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>>292611315
there were always turbo autists in mod scenes. Even Morrowind had its fair share of drama.

Modding is a hive of autism.
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>>292610901
Funny thing is for those that were aware and part of this prior to launch... Many people turned down the invitation and advised others to as well.

I would like to think that most of us -knew- trying to sell our mods which are often incomplete, rough works that arn't exactly perfect products... It's a silly idea.

There is an avenue where people who want to do this kind of thing CAN make money doing exactly what they are now.

Unity is one of the most commonly used game engines for up-and-coming devs / experienced modders.

You can sell your assets - YOUR ORIGINAL own work to other people for them to use in their projects/games. For the people who want to make money off this kind of thing... There are places to do it.

Places that make sense. Places that don't jack up the cost for consumers to have an enjoyable game experience and where modders original works might actually make it in as part of a real game.

For those who bought skyrim + DLCs new they paid about $100 for a single game. Isn't that enough?

I just don't feel 'paid mods' should ever be a thing on the consumer side of the show.

This isn't just about a handful of us modders - Nor is it about people not wanting to pay for something theyve had for free...

It's going to cripple the modding community if it's allowed and in general will start a dangerous trend in the gaming industry.

We allowed DLC to become a thing - Let's not make the same mistake twice.
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>>292611441

Hm, true. I did read about the oblivion gates mod for Oblivion and that was pretty hilarious. Feels like minecraft draws a lot more autists just because of the nature of the game.
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>>292611546
You don't need a new line for every single thought that pops into your pea-sized brain, goddamn fuck.
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>>292611315
Just like in every fucking game with a modding community.
Entitled cunts didn't originally spawned from minecraft.
It's generalized.
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>>292602105
>league of legends
is this even a surprise?

only people with an autism level this high play lol
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>>292611150
Not anymore he won't.

>>292611336
>mfw our entire universe was because some booty blasted meta-modder who wanted to get paid to make universes. Now we will never have a better universe because he never released the code.
How long til they reverse engineer our universe and add a toggle for global warming.

>>292611315
Modders have always been terrible. Some games just make it worse. For example the TF2 scene was terrible, you can practically trip over drama just by trying to release shit.

I've made a map before that somehow pissed off a guy, which in turn pissed off his whole clique, someone in his clique was so offended that he made this huge spiel how he'll never mod again and it is my fault, which lead to his fans to shit on my map. I wasn't big, never was, regularly got like 1-8 downloads. Except for that one map that somehow got 80+(which is insane) downloads after the whole fiasco.
Til this day I still have no idea what pissed everyone off so much, while I was thankful for literally multiplying by fanbase, I had no backbone cause I was a pussy so I stopped doing anything for TF2.

tl;dr people are entitled cunts.
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>>292611546
>>Funny thing is for those that were aware and part of this prior to launch... Many people turned down the invitation and advised others to as well.
Do you have a source? I'm inclined to believe your statement since they launched the Workshop store with some rather unimpressive stuff, and I had been wondering if Valve and Bethesda wanted to have more big names but they refused to join. However, I'd still like to see if you have any links where modders mention about being contacted yet rejecting the offer.
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>>292607201
Underrated post
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>>292611858

Lmoa. Was your map sort of similar to his or something?
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>>292602780
>that pic
shameless
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>would have had no problem doing it for free until a week ago
>now suddenly gamers are hitler
ok bud
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>>292602871
They also changed "selling their greatest works" into "selling their work".
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>I made a mod out of all tamriel and akavir but you guys are never getting it now because you are all poopysocks
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>>292612113
Basically.
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99% of mods are unoptimized pieces of shit dripping with bugs, leftover scripting and something that CAN and WILL break a random quest 20 hours into the game, and you will never get a modder to admit it or fix it unless they find the problem first. Most of the time, they don't care to do anything about their lack of cleaning and general instability of their work.

Which is fine, because it's free.
Once it's not free, it's not okay.

But they still wouldn't do shit to fix it because they have NO OBLIGATION to do so. All they'd do is slap a price tag on their mod and leave it to stew, problems and all. If you'd demand they fix it because you spent something like $5 or more on it, they'd just shrug and say fuck you because zero liability, zero quality control and zero interest from valve in maintaining any semblance of customer happiness.

That is why paid mods cannot and will not work.
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>>292611657
Paragraphs are hard man. But do the spaces really rustle your jimmies that much? If so, seek help anon. That shits not normal.

>>292611924
I believe this person is referring to Chesko's post if I recall correctly he mentioned other people had suggested he not participate which would mean they were also aware of it long before the public announcement.
Also Marie belly.
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>>292612187
>it would have irrevocably broken your game anyway
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I've always found that having people use whatever content I have produced for a game is more worth the effort than money.

I never modded for anyone else or with the intent to make a living out of it. I've always created content that I wanted to play, or to simply try things out. The fact that the internet came along and made sharing content with people all over the world easy, only made things even more interesting and fun.
I appreciate every single person who have ever took and interest in, downloaded and enjoyed my content.

If I would had wanted to make a living out of producing videogames, I would had taken a job in the industry.

The end.
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>>292611962
I don't know, it wasn't even the same gametype. I made a tc inspired map based on tc_hydro because that was my favorite map even if it was a bad map and everyone hated it.

I liked the whole concept of randomly different areas. (Remember this was still pretty early in the infancy of tf2. Like I'm not sure if the medic/pyro update was out at the time.

So I tried to make a map that emulated it with different starting points. I wanted red and blue to be randomly selected from a pool which I couldn't figure out so I did it the not so efficient. (had 5 variation for red, 5 variation for blue. Then created a map for each variation {r1b1, r1b2, r1b3, r1b4, r1b5} essentially until I cycled through all 25).

It lead to a really inflated size and I'm sure no one would have wanted to load into a server with it (Leading complaint behind the map being small). However I don't think that would be rage inducing.
Can't find the map anymore because fpsbanana no longer exist and can't use my old credentials to login to gamebanana.

>can't post are you banned? x20
moot please stop.
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>>292601985
>my dad works at nintendo and i have a nintendo 256
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>>292612225
There is also the common issue of mods breaking other mods, which means someone has to deal with it because that is not an acceptable situation for paid mods. However most people won't try to fix it because why should they, and the people that do try will struggle because it is an impossible request.
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>>292601985
>I'll be the only one playing it

This is awesome. I can just imagine how he plays his mod by himself, while little tears of rage trickle down his cheeks as he mumbles "...stupid community...the would have loved my mod...serves them right...fuck it...I'll finish it anyways and them play it...only me...and then I'll tell them all about it...".
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>>292608114
>minecraft modders
>adfly links up the ass
>crash code
>very few open source mods
>shit flinging drama queens who fight against each other
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>toss tree fiddy into a room full of modders and the Loch Ness monsters reveal themselves
Based Valve.
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>expecting people to pay for shit that has no quality control
>actually thinking throwing money into the mix would automatically create some
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There is objectively nothing wrong with monetizing the work from your hobby. "It used to be free" isn't a counter-arguement.

They have every right to do so. Just say that you don't want to pay for mods, I don't either. Don't make up shitty excuses to try to justify it.
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>>292610579
It was never "per month", you just had to make at least $100 in profit total to cash out. You could just sell $40 worth of mods and earn ten dollaridoos per month, but you wouldn't been able to get the money until 10 months.

It was still a dumb system for a multitude of ideas, but there was no monthly minimum
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>>292612575
Oh Hi Mark, I was just playing my super awesome mod that I made, but I'm not going to release it because I couldn't find anyone to buy it - because people are entitled. It's such a good mod, you haven't played it have you?

Oh of course you haven't, you're an entitled child. Well I've been playing it because I am definitely -not- an entitled child so don't even say that I am because I will just make my great mod even more great and not available to you.
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>>292608114
The level of minecraft mod autism is a tiny pond to the ocean that was BG2 mod autism.
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>>292601985
People seem to misunderstand that modding is a hobby, not a business.
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>>292612742
AAA developers get millions and still manage to release a broken piece of shit. What am I to expect from amateurs then?
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So are people gonna put fanfiction in libraries and charge money for it now?
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>>292608897

> goff makeup on cute girl

my secret fetish
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>>292602548
You don't know what a shill is. Stop spouting any buzzword you can think of, kid.
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>>292612908
Thomas the tank engine, zoidberg, boobs, bronies and MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE!
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>>292612742
Yeah, paid mods existed for years, and 25% was always the cut, and nobody complained about the system. It was just called the virtual hats in Mannconomy and it worked because Valve themselves curated it, made sure it worked and provided tons of support.

This entire Skyrim paid mods shit sounds like Bethesda looking to grub at Valve's money-printer, because nobody at Valve looks at and a fucking 4-year old game and think "Yup, there's money in them thar mods."
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>>292605823
No, it is absolutely not illegal. Bethesda gets a cut because that's the only possible way Valve could get publishers to have paid mod links on their game's store page.
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>>292613017
It also worked in dota 2 because of quality control.

Look at how greenlight turned out.
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>>292612930
Which library do you go to that charges you for books?
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>>292612779
>isn't a counter-arguement.
Well it is, suddenly trying to charge money for something that you never wanted money for before is a really scummy and dickish move. But here's another great counter-argument for you:

Most mods are not of a sufficient quality to deserve money.
The few that are still would not receive the amount of creator attention it would take to make them compatible with every other mod being sold from now till forever, in order to ensure customer satisfaction, meaning you have no guarantee that your purchase would be worth the money 24 hours afterwards.
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>>292613086
What kind of library lets you take books for free?
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Shittiness of paid modes aside, the big mistake Valve and Bethesda made was that they chose to introduce the paid mods scheme with a game that has been around for a while with a multitude of mods that have all been free up till that point.

This only serves to annoy people, as some well loved mods suddenly vanished behind paywalls for their newest versions, some of which have been developed with community help, not to mention mods that incorporate other mods. This whole thing felt like a hostage situation.

The least they should have done, is wait for TES6 and then do it, when there's still no mods in existence and everyone can be upfront whether they make a paid mod or one that stays free, so everyone can beforehand decide whether tho help out and whether there's additional royalties to be paid.
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>>292612779
It's not about a willingness to pay for it, it's that modding has far too many problems and lack of quality control for paying for it to be a good idea.

Injecting money into the system isn't suddenly going to give modders an amazing work ethic and magical bug checking skills
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>>292612779
Steam is a terrible way to monetize from your hobby. They take such a large cut and the payout goal is too large($400) for 95% of modders to ever even get paid.
Even if it wasn't
>>292612225
>>292612550

people DO monetize from their mods. Either from donation or full-scale projects. The guy who made the DoA porno with Kasumi has an active patreon for example, or any of the bigger mods for STALKER/Doom has a donation button and do get donations. (course for stuff like STALKER, it is a donation button so they step on the developer's toes and get shut down) but it works.
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>>292613017
Also no normal people play TF2. It's it's own little containment zone that really doesn't/shouldn't affect other games or the way they sell/release DLC, expansions or additional content.
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>>292602105
>Most likely pirated OS
>Adblock
>muh entilted kids stealing works
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>>292601985
literally no one cares about his faggot mod

OP was awesome for once
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>>292613146
Every single library on earth.
The clause is that you return them.
Otherwise you pay a fine.

Jesus, educating you third-worlders is exhausting.
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>>292613171
>they chose to introduce the paid mods scheme with a game that has been around for a while with a multitude of mods that have all been free up till that point
This tells me that this shit is more Bethesda's doing than Valve's.
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>>292613146
thank god I don't live in a ghetto.
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>>292613048
Selling mods is illegal, period.

Asking for "donations" and providing early access and extra support for "backers" is an entirely grey area that legal entities haven't quite caught onto yet.
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>>292613146
All of them.
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>>292601985
>modders don't know what a donation button is
If they're too dumb to put up donation links again, they don't deserve money.
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real talk though

how fucked in the head do you have to be to be a modder. you receive no compensation for the work aside from playing your shitty mod and your ecred. like, how can they actually have fun trying to set all that shit up and do it for free. after the whole steam scandal, everyone is wary of them now, so they're definitely not getting any donations from their masters

are they just gigantic cucks or something. i would have sold out immediately as a modder if the whole paid mods shit stuck. i'm not a limp-wristed faggot with stockholm syndrome
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>>292613281
>sweden
>third world

How does it feel to be so poor you can't buy books?
>>
The Luck Mod

Luck modifies the game in many mysterious, enigmatic ways. Sometimes something will turn out slightly different due to the influence of Luck.

Just like that player attribute, the Luck Mod influences the game in small ways which are hard to discern.

But trust me, the Luck Mod is active and at work. If you don't notice it then it's because I've succeeded at doing what this mod set out to accomplish.

Buy It Now for $4.99
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>>292613146
>what kind of library lets you take books for free?
hey nig good to see you looted a computer.
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>>292613381
Some of us likes games enough to want to improve it our own way, to make content the way we want it, and have more fun without having to shell out money.

And it's more productive than flaming people at 4chan.
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>>292613415
Books are free to checkout from libraries in Sweden. So you're not a thirdworlder, you're just wrong.
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>>292613146
Fucking even in Poland books in library are for free as long as you don't keep them too long.
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>>292613171
Quality control would STILL be impossible (mostly because valve doesn't care, and neither do modders who just want that green). Only a handful of retards would actually buy mods, everyone else would pirate them because no matter how much people argue against it, most mods are just NOT worthy of being sold for real money.

When I donate to a modder, it is to compensate their time and effort and to encourage them to make more mods, not a payment for the actual mod itself.
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>>292613514
>checkout
You niggers don't have books at home?
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>>292613415
>Sweden
>not third world
It's ok Ahmad. It will be soon, thanks to you.
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>>292613415

Are you stupid? What kind of library are you renting books from? All the libraries I've been to in Sweden lends out books for free as long as you return them in time.
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>>292613415
>sweden
>highest immigrant population of any European country
>and rapidly rising
>less than 49% of Sweden will be ethnically Swedish by 2050
>not third world

Haaah
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>>292613585
>Ahmad
Every americunts know how to spell it.
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>>292601985
>mfw the ones who actually make mods do this

Lol you faggots would beg to pay for it if no-one did it for free, mostly because you are all talent-less retards.
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>>292613678
I'm not.
>find similar picture to confirm...
>burger
I SWEAR I'M NOT!
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>>292613762
Sure thing Chesko
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>>292613673
So you don't know what third world means.
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>>292602105
>shows well thought out posts of reasons why mods should not be paid
>proceeds to call them ungrateful kids mid heavy breathing
that guy has probably some heavy autism and a huge ego to call concerned people ungrateful kids
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>>292613381
Modding is a way for people to get experience with developing games without having to pay for a worthless college degree or learning how to use an actual engine.

Some people also play a game and think of ways to make it better and actually attempt to do so.

Some view it as a way to get their stories or ideas out there for other people to view.

Some just really enjoy doing it.
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>>292613894
>making money off other peoples property
I remember when this was illegal.
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>>292613308
It's not, it's really not I promise. The only mods that get taken down either fold to C&D letters or get caught on non-mod related infringements (such as promotional photos with game assets). I've done two semesters of copyrights and I can tell you that the entire "mods are illegal!" argument rests entirely on an incorrect reading of the derivative works section. Mods are not derivative works because they are not distributing the original work in any way shape or form, no court in the US would disagree with that either.
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>>292613959
And now, some people wants to make easy money.
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Never had a problem with paid mods.
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I was going to make a mod that turned Skyrim into Dark Souls with Planescape Torment type quests and played a symphony of angels I personally captured from heaven and made my cock slaves but NO you CHILDREN had to RUIN MY HARD WORK.

I work so hard stealing assets all day and I finally get offered to give up the thing I made in exchange for 25% of the profits that only come in increments of $100(off the 25%) but you entitled pissbaby shitlords had to ruin EVERYTHING. How am I supposed to eat now as opposed to the last two years? I used to love modding which is why I released one mod a year ago and stopped updating it to jack off in my basement all day but now the community is just so toxic~!! a bloo bloo bloo.

This is all your fault, /v/! I had to move out of my house due to the death threats I got over MODS.
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More and more mod creators being the greedy assholes in this whole thing.
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>>292608114
Just dropping into say that the minecraft modding "community" is indeed cancerous as shit.

I cannot think of any other modding community that regularly puts brick and backdoor functions into their mods "just in case u need help :^)"
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>im not going to do this for free
even underage autists dont mod for free
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>>292613959
>doing something, ANYTHING, without getting paid for it
>even your own hobby

FUCK YOU, YOU ENTITLED SHITLORD. GIVE ME THE FUCKING MONEY
SOMEONE GIVE ME SOME MONEY, FUCKING GIVE ME MONEY RIGHT NOW
FUCK YOU
MONEY
NOW
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Did NeoGAF cry about us being entitled yet?
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>>292613381
World and narrative building is fun. It also gives people a goal with which to improve their artistic ability.
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>>292614080
>backdoor functions into their mods "just in case u need help :^)"
Wow
Just wow
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If you are good at doing something, never ever do it for free.
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Oh no, they have to get a real job!
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>>292614045
Nope. Not even the 35 dollaroo's for an Arcana. Not even those P2W Events Dota 2 ran.
Never had a problem with paid mods.

This entire thing is funny as shit, though.
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>>292614097
I modded for free when i was an underage autist.
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>>292613146
hey bud I think that the word that you're looking for is "bookstore"
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HEY YOU ENTITLED FUCKING SHITS

I MADE THE BEST FUCKING MOD EVER YOU FUCKING CUNTS IT'S CALLED SKYRIM4LIFE AND IT TRANSPORTS YOUR BRAIN INTO SKYRIM SO YOU CAN LIVE IN THERE FOREVER AND I WAS GOING TO SELL IT FOR $9.99 BUT FUCK YOU GUYS NOW YOU'LL NEVER SEE IF BECAUSE YOU'RE SO FUCKING CHEAP AND ENTITLED FUCKING ASSHOLES

FUCK YOU I'M OFF TO SKYRIM
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>>292614051
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>>292614080
What do you mean "backdoor functions"?
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>>292614240
The internet is clearly communist and not capitalist.
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>>292614051
Is that some fresh pasta?
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>>292614306
Please wait I'll buy!! I am no pissbaby!!
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>>292614051
>all while using the $4000 3ds max i priated
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>>292602871
I think it was random. I got the "earn a living" one as late as Sunday evening.
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>CHILDREN

It's like Phil Fish never left.
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>>292614328

Some minecraft modders intentionally put code into their mods to crash the users computer or put backdoor code in to gain admin access to the server that it's run on.

Example: The guy that made the forestry mod put code into it that spawned bees that destroyed your MC world and eventually crashed your game.

Why'd he do that? Because he didn't want it being distributed in the tekkit mod pack. That's literally the only reason.

He didn't want his free mod which you can't charge for by law being distributed by somebody else other than him because he would have lost out on adfly money.
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Do you love your significant other ? Do you love making love ? Why aren't you monetizing your lovemaking by posting videos of yourself having sex ?

You could be making money right now out of something you love ! Why wouldn't you want to be compensated for your effort ?
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>>292614328
In programming, a backdoor is a security vulnerability intentionally left in by the programmer so they can later gain access to systems that run it.

So, there are minecraft mods where if you run them on your server, the mod's creator can give themselves admin on your server at any time.
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>>292613959
It's also a really good to build a fanbase.
(Even if you're just a hack that is cloning popular paid apps)

I'm sure there was tons of people ready to do the same with skyrim mods (make free versions of paid apps) since it is a lot harder to do it on the android store now.
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>>292606143
>They want to fit in.

Just like that image with the "I play video games not because I have no life" caption says.

"It's the in thing right now and I'm a huge tool"
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>>292614608

The best part of that whole thing is that the guy who added the backdoor was a furry and played the furry victim card when people called him out on it.
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>>292614691
>furry victim card
But we haven't even started the furry holocaust yet.
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>>292614527
Just when I thought I knew how autistic Minecraft community is.
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>>292614691
You know, this is really starting to make me despise modders... was this Valves and Bethesdas plan all along?
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YOU ARE ALL CHILDREN
THIS IS A VERY SCATHING INSULT
CHILDREN ARE DUMB AND BAD AND SPOILED
WHICH IS WHY I MAKING THIS SPECIFIC COMPARISON

I AM NOT A CHILD
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>>292603042
>toxic attitude
>toxic community
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>>292614775
Mannconomy was released on September 30, 2010. Five years ago. That's when paid mods started. Valve does not want to make you despise modders, they are pretty much paid freelance not-employees to Valve.
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>>292614767
The very concept of minecraft is to cater to autism.
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>>292602105

I can't listen to this guy. His difficulty to speak irritates me.
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>>292614680
For some reason, I cannot find that image at all anymore. I mean the edited "huge tool" one, not the real cringy one.
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>>292614960
Obviously. You look into a dark rabbit hole, and think "Yup, that's pretty deep." But you never truly grasp just how deep it goes until you get in there.
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>Modders now acting like they're hot shit and taking their ball and going home

They really think they have a lot of power in the equation
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>>292615038
They weren't getting paid anything before.
They aren't getting paid anything now.

But because they briefly had the opportunity to get paid peanuts for their work, they suddenly feel entitled to make a living off of this shit?

How can they be so deranged?
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>There are modderfags who think they need to be payed for this
Shit nigga, modding has always been something that you do on your own and for yourself. If you git gud at it, a publisher will find a way to make your shitty mod into a proper game.
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>>292606351
Don't blame Gabe, charging for your mod was optional.
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>>292615429
Fucking this

add it to your portfolio. I shit you not, if you can prove you made some good shit, and you take it to a publisher, you WILL find a job.

Modding is probably the best way to get game dev experience if you really think about it. If you throw up something at a professional grade, you'll find work.

I wish other jobs were as easy to create shit for a portfolio.
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>>292606414
I need a Marie in Trackmania
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>>292615614
Some people should never be given the option because they are too easily corrupted.
Like giving someone with an addictive personality cocaine for the first time and then telling him it was a one-off.
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The bullshit events that transpired in the Minecraft modding community is pretty much the shining example of why the paid steam mods were a bad idea. There's some real fucking rotten apples lurking in the modding community, and you see what happens when you lift the restrictions and they reveal their true nature for all to see.

That's why we don't do paid mods, because we don't want to give these dabbling fucks who do modding for entirely wrong reasons any legitimacy. The guy in the OP is probably just some low effort "ideas guy" that typically don't give a shit about actual modding and the community behind it. Modding is not a job, it never was one, and it never will be. Modding is the practice that could very well lead to a real job, if your work stands out and you aren't a complete fucking anti-community tool about it.
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i would pay money for a mod that changes skyrim's combat into something other than a weightless floaty piece of shit with no depth or strategy to it
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>http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/611704730329034298
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All I care about is quality control. Anyone who actually tries to make a living off mods is a god damn fool and a 25% cut isn't going to be enough to live on unless you make some top tier shit that is immensely popular.

All these paid mod shills talk about is how modders would finish these amazing projects but they're completely delusional. Look at the Nexus, how many projects worth paying for are there already? Next to fucking none and Steam attempting to steal work, take such a large cut then give back 25% is bullshit.

There was no competitive market for modding and their reactions of saying "Well I had this super secret amazing mod I won't even tease now" just tell me they aren't taking their ball and going home, they're coming to school, bragging about having the best shit ever and then saying "No my mum won't let anyone in the house" so it remains a god damn playground myth. If they want to call people children they have to realise they're the brat lying through their teeth to a bunch of kids they don't know trying to scam them out of their lunch money.

>>292615038
They're all living this pipedream where they think it'll be sustainable in any fucking way. Look at the people who support this shit, their entire argument revolves around feeding the poor, hungry modders who starve every day because Valve briefly implemented paid mods and pulled the rug out from under them. Time and time again has proven just because someone can be paid to do something does not mean they'll deliver a quality product but they keep falling for it.
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>>292616046
Let's see how big they will talk when they realize that noone gives a shit about them.
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>>292616046
>boycott player community
AH
HA
HAAAH
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>>292612930
50 shades of grey
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>>292615668
Do you have modding experience that helped you find a job, or how do you know that? Also, how is it easier than compiling a portfolio of drawings or writings, for example? Those two seem to me a lot easier than modding.
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I look at it this way. Now we know which modders are Jews and which aren't.
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>>292616242
Bungie hired a Skyrim modder.
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>>292616242
A ton of people have gotten jobs because of modding. Just look at Valve.

Shit the DayZ guy, Rocket is also a modder and he was hired for the broken mess that is his game
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>>292616046
#MODDERGATE we believe in making paid mods because deserve to be paid for our HD tit mods!
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http://imgur.com/gallery/bqcla
>paid mods

fucking fantastic
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>>292608795
>Was he literally in a psychological experiment without knowing it? That's badass
There's nothing badass and you're a fucking idiot if you'd take a comedian's word at face value.
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>Make something no one ever asked you to make
>release it on a community where people make and share things out of a common love for a game
>hundreds of people thank you for your unneeded contribution
>get mad that no one is paying you for your "work"

What is wrong with these people.
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>>292616369
>HD
Bwahaha
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>>292616534
Look, I increased the contrast on the textures so you can see the grain, it's the same as HD.
Now fucking pay up, child.
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>>292605972
underrated post
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>>292616478
Modders are entitled little fucks, they are like hipsters.
>nyeh i made it so fucking pay me
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>>292616242
I'm still in my final year or two of engineering so I'm not quite at that point, but small personal projects done well can speak loudly to a personal ability.

You won't become the NEXT TOP GAME DEV overnight, but it is more about demonstrating personal ability. Drawing indicates art skills, but a well put-together mod can show off basic understanding of code, modeling, and various other things.

Will you get a job on it alone? No obviously not. But in an industry driven by creativity, sometimes these small little projects will go a long ways. Know what I mean?
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>>292616596
Please take my college fund.
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>>292616621
I make shit all the time and never ask for a cent

Fuck these guys
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>>292616815
>5Nights
What an oddly inappropiate game to use for your comment.
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>>292616907
Shit, you're right
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>>292608114
A lot of modders didn't just do it because of love for the game, it's practice in 3d modeling, coding, and other skills that could be marketable in the future.

Paid mods are perfectly viable, but Steam Workshop was such an obvious cash grab that it's embarrassing.
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Whatever happened to modders generating awesome mods, then getting hired by the developer for the next game because of their great work? Does this even happen anymore??
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>>292607725
but he did
>social butterfly
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>>292613832
a shithole
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>demanding money for making something for an existing game which no one ever asked you to make in the first place

This all feels like a choir of little shits screaming; "MY IDEAS ARE SO AWESOME THAT I DESERVE MONETARY COMPENSATION FOR EVEN THINKING OF THESE THINGS"


Who's really the entitled ones in this.
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>>292605710
You don't have to buy it.
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>>292617251
In that case Sweden is almost overqualified.
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>>292617371
>a game that they don't even have any rights to

>>292617386
You don't have to buy heroin either, but that doesn't mean that it should be allowed.
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>>292617386
That's great to know, thanks.
Considering it's not worth money.
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>>292617436
Still one of the best countries in the world, what does that say about the shithole you live in?
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>>292607725

>Master Merchant

But he did, don't you see?
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>>292617106
Probably. The devs behind chivalry started out with modding source engine

Why can't modders get a real job and produce a new game instead of asking for money for fucking mods
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>>292617591
That Norway is better in every single way.
Stay visibly mad and third world, shitmongler.
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>>292617591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
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>>292617642
Because that takes actual work.
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>>292602778
He wasn't that good of a troll, everything he said everyone came with a counter argument he couldn't answer back, he ended up repeating himself and people started to take what he said with a grain of salt.

Also keep doing god's work anon
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>>292617642
1. Making something new takes effort
2. Coming up with new ideas hurt brain
3. Everyone on the nexus loves me, they practically owe me a living
4. Why not, it's no worse than what (unrelated shit) is doing
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>>292617657
Educate yourself.
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>>292617642
I have always been assblated that the Project Reality devs have never decided to just make a game called 'Project Reality' and sell it on Steam or some shit.
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>>292617783
>cold war alliances mid-1975
Very educational. I never knew Swedes were THAT dumb.
I mean I suspected it, but damn.
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>>292617863
holy shit PR was based. I wonder if people still play it though
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>>292611150
>donations

why do you faggots insists donations work?
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>>292607663
but then how is valve and bethesda going to profit off your work?
entitled shitlord
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>>292617903
Hey americunt, when do you think the cold war started?
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>>292609702
>>292605913


Are legitimately retarded?
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>ITT underage faggots try to argue world history and politics
Someone just start dumping lewds please already.
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>>292617642
>Modding the source engine
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>>292618157
I don't know, they modded half life or something and made that chivalry game
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>>292602780
oy vey remember the factory mod workers
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I made the best mod ever when the paid mods was announced, it really inspired me to make something much better than anything the talentless hacks at the nexus ever churned out.
This was going to be a total gamechanger. I'm not going to drop too many hits but just so you understand what you are missing out on, here's two for you: "Spears", and "usable".

But you'll never see it now, because you entitled pissbaby shitlords had to go and destroy something because your mommy wouldn't let you use her credit card for something actually worth the price of admission.

So your loss, I'll be playing the best mod of all time ever made over here and you never will, because you are a child.
*Drops mic and walks away*
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>>292610135
sell a mod for 60 bucks
make 18 bucks per item sold
sell 10k units

18,000 bam just for some mod
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>>292609059
>believing everything your gov funded teacher says

Go back to Europe.
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>>292618348
>sell a mod for 60 bucks
Can you understand how absurd that sounds?
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>>292617960
Yup, there is a thread up right now I think.
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>>292618348
actually you'd only get 15 bucks
and no one would ever buy a fucking mod for 60
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>>292618408
No wonder americans are so stupid.
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>>292618451
>Can you understand how absurd that sounds?

do you know how demand works nigga?
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>>292607438
>There are people responding to this unironically
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>>292618408
>indebt yourself for life to get an education
>end up getting fed outdated information or entirely wrong bullshit by leftist professors
>forced to sign up for shit like
>advanced basket weaving
>negro studies
>women studies
>anti-rape seminars

Oh, United Statians.
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>>292618526
I understand it well enough to know that NO ONE ON THIS EARTH would buy a mod for $60.
Do you have any idea how much money is worth?
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>>292618519
>muh stupid Americans
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>>292618526
There sure is demand for mods that cost the same as a full retail game at launch pricing or three official expansion packs for it.
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>>292602105
If he thinks he just HAVE to get money and wont do anything for free now he seems to be best suited to work for some random AAA dev. His mindset is the right one for sure.
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>>292618656
>I don't think mods don't cost 60 bucks
>therefore no one else thinks so

motherfucker. if everyone was like you, we wouldn't have f2p bullshit.
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>>292617996
The date is in the pictures filename
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>>292618526
Nigger, skyrim is 20 bucks right now. Why the fuck would I buy a mod for 60? If the game costs 60 dollars, again why pay for a mod that then costs 60 dollars more? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>292618519
>highschool teachers are always right
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>>292618526
you clearly don't understand how demand works
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>>292618348
>selling a mod for around 4 times the price of the game it requieres
>selling a mod for around 20 times the price of the game it requieres in sales
>implying a $60 mod will sell 10k
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>>292618348
This is what Chesko genuinely believes.
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>>292618408
I guess this is why half the american population still thinks the earth is 6000 years old.

You all ignore anything that doesn't coincide with your own beliefs.
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>>292607305
>not calling it climate change
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>>292618348
Is this what going full jew is like?
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>>292618882
>>292618775

these assumptions. if league of legends can sell millions of skins with varying prices, then I'm pretty sure there are suckers out there willing to pay.
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Asking money for is probably the most entitled and lazy thing I've ever heard.

Sure some of these modders spend a shit ton of time on these mods(said modders are 10% of the total amount of modders) and they come out great. But they doesn't mean you are entitled to money just like how playing someones game on youtube doesn't entitle you to money. Sure give the option to donate and people will donate but demanding people pay money for a mod is just rude and entitled.
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>>292608498
That's not how a monitor works retard. You aren't fooling me
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>>292619068
Exactly, but there's already games like DOTA 2, Team Fortress 2 or CS:GO designed to contain those manchildren.
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>>292601985
I remember the threads. Too good.
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>>292615424
This
>Captcha: Cake
Delicious
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>>292619068
Yes, they are coincidentally the kids which modders like the guy in the OP are lambasting so heavily.
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>>292602778
A prince among anons, keep up the good work
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>>292605826

Why not make a game out of that idea then?
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>>292616046
>players don't have to be your audience. players are over.
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>>292607725
Its right there, nicknamed Master Merchant.
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>>292612974
You don't know what a kid is. Stop spouting any buzzword you can think of, shill.
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The saddest part is some piece of me wanted to get skyrim on one of the sales, but now I need to find another semi open world RPG.
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>it was fun while it lasted but i'm not going to do this for free
did he design and finish his amazing mod in the like 5 days paid mods are a thing ?
this guy is probably just trolling though
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>>292618827
Hows your tinfoilhat?
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>>292602778
That's a little weird, but I respect you and admire your drive to do it nigga
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oh god,

what do if horsevagina mod will be pulled because you entitled manchildren don't want to pay for it? will someone upload it on piratebay?
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>>292619031
Also why we get gems like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw
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>>292602105
>i want people to pay for my shitty mods for a shitty 8 year old game
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>>292619556
Go buy Morrowind.
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>>292619690
I've heard it's better, but I don't want to give Bethesda money. Or Valve, I suppose.
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>>292602105
>"i don't have a way to compensate you"

LOL. no wonder you want shit free
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>>292619556
Saints Row, purple and gold all day baby.
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>>292601985
Kinda reminds me of sharing saves back then (there was a feeling of "propriety value" or something") and that it took me a long time to get the trading concepts of stickers for sticker albums (why not just give the next guy the stickers you already got).
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>>292619968
GTA5 is a better open world RPG than anything Bethesda have ever done.
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>>292608218
FUCK YOU NIGGER! IVE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME IN ARULCO!
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>>292619097

>what are dual monitors
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>>292620367
It's like gorilla warfare, but between two monitors at dawn.
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I wouldn't have a problem paying for mods if Valve did ANY KIND OF QUALITY ASSURANCE. Greenlight and Early Access has proven that they do not and will allow anything on Steam.

Mods are also not entirely owned by one person, since a lot of them have used assets from other people's mods. Fucking wet and cold had a DMCA filed against it.

There were a lot of problems with this that went beyond something that was once free costing money.
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>>292620547
And the fact that modding is fanfiction.
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>>292620610
Well, fanfiction can be monetized too. Those minecraft books are best sellers.
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>>292620610
doujins are fanfictions.
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>>292620671
Minecraft books? Oh god...
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>>292619968

I bought mine (or rather re-purchased after 10+ years) in a box for less then 10$. It did install over Steam, but it wasn't purchased there.
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>>292620794
And people who charge money for doujins are scum as well.
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>I painted this beautiful landscape in oils on canvas.
>No, you cannot take a picture of it!
>Its all mine to enjoy!
>Pay me first!

Reminder that video games are not art.
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>>292620817
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> People who have never created anything in their life
"This should be free"
> People who have created things
"These people deserve to be paid for their work"
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>>292621016
pretty much.
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>>292619616
>using ad-hominems in place of an actual argument

typical libyard.
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>>292620973

I saw some of these guides in a local bookstore. The combat guide is what amazes me the most.
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Reminder, if you are good at doing something, never ever do it for free.
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>>292621016
> people deserve to be paid for their work
> paid mods on workshop with 75% cut

Choose one
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>>292621142
What argument? That you lack education and as a result you are fucking retarded? We can all see that.
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>>292618026
It's a Peter Molyneux game.
Anything is possible, no matter how retarded it seems.
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>>292621151
One of them got dumped here. It was hilarous. I hope they get scanned and uploaded somewhere.
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>>292610135
At a 25% cut, a modder would need to shift $5,000 in mod sales per month to make the federal minimum wage.

So yeah, call it a little supplemental income, but that doesn't make modding a real career option.

Modding as is is like an unpaid internship right now, it lets you build skills and even make connections you can use in a career in video game development.

Honestly, the concept of modders being paid isn't inherently bad, but the idea that CONSUMERS should foot the bill is idiotic. Bethesda games are unplayable garbage without mods, Bethesda should be compensating modders for fixing their shit game and increasing sales on the PC platform instead of trying to milk more cash out of a several year old single player game.

I'd be okay if this 'mod market' was only for total conversions and expansion pack sized projects, but we saw that most of the initial offerings were literally 'A NEW SWORD DAT LOOKS KEWL LOL XD $2.99!'
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>You're all entitled shilords!
>they say while being entitled shitlords
The hypocrisy of some of these modders is hilarious.
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>>292621151
Isn't Minecraft's combat just, like... point and click?
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>>292621016

>made music and texture packs
>for free

He does it for 25 percent!
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>>292621263
> Still using the 100% of 0 donations VS 25% of actual sales argument

Is this the new > Ethics
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>>292621016

Spoken like a true libertarian that fancies themselves as a productive member of society but in reality contributes fuck all.
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You aren't entitled to monetary compensation just because you spend your free time working on something. You should never expect that something you do in your spare time will earn you a living. If that happens for you, great; it will never happen to most people.
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>>292620886
Hey man some artists are really good at what they do. Japans industry is a whole other world though
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>>292621327

It is.
But don't worry if you jump while doing it you can like score critical hits it's very advanced.
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>>292621358
>0 donations
A lot of people donate, just because you are a greedy jew doesn't mean everyone is.
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If you are good at doing something, never ever do it for free.
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>>292621358

> /v/ is a hivemind and everybody has exactly the same opinion
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>>292621016
>making a mod
>work
Pick one. Its a hobby or passion project, any 'modder' that argues otherwise is extremely entitled.

The 'paid mods' are crowdsourced DLC with less accountability, less quality control, and no cost to publisher
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>>292601985

Are we supposed to believe this guy just happened to come up with this mod during the 3 days the payment model was up and has been working on it nonstop since then?

I mean if he was already working on it for a long time, he would have already expected putting it up for free since nobody was considering paid mods by that time yet. Which means he didn't lose or gain anything.
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>>292621273
>I'll call him retarded! that'll show him!
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>>292621557

Nah man he made that mod in three days and totally wasn't just an idea guy
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>>292621497
Or rather, give them a taste for free and give them a reason to want to buy from you. People will feel less threatened by monetization if you ease them into it, which Valve's system did not do.
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>>292621327
Apparently you know nothing, because someone wrote like 100 pages about it
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>>292621497
Fuck off, noone wants to buy your shitty mods.

>>292621547
>less accountability, less quality control
>less
The word you are looking for is "no".
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>>292621312
>need X to sell to make minimum wage

good job. you just listed everything that is trying to make a profit

you can make bank if there is enough demand for you product.

>its not a real career option

see dota, CS, or whatevever.
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>>292621497
>>292621248
No one cares samefag.
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>>292621151

I want the redstone circuit guide. Some of that shit looked pretty cool.
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>>292621565
>i'll act retarded! that will prove him wrong!

>>292621645
>basic rpg shit and shitty pictures
Who the fuck pays for that?
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>>292621654
Less than none would be better.

Because you had people trying to scam each other
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>>292621702
How about you graduate grade school before you start swinging your shit at us.
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>>292621808
>Who the fuck pays for that?

Clueless parents
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>>292621639
>Or rather, give them a taste for free and give them a reason to want to buy from you.
Those are called demos.
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