Why does guns almost always inferior to swords in games that

Balance and plot armor.

And then you have the "knife wounds vs gun wounds" argument.

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>>289770340
"knife wounds vs gun wounds" argument?

>>289770117
Because then there would be no reason to use Guns

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>>289770117
NOT ENUFF DAKKA

>>289770117
for the same reason shotguns have their range cut short and LMGs don't kick everyone's ass.

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>>289776429
>tfw capacity is the only advantage LMGs are ever given over other guns in vidya

>>289770340
Yah maybe in your Japanese anime's there is an argument but in real life a knife wound won't put you into hydroshock from 150yrd away.

>>289777078
>hydroshock
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>OP
Depends. In many games it might be balance since ranged damage is generally easier and safer to deal so you've got to reward the melee crowd somehow.

>>289777006
You do know most LMGs fire intermediate ammo right? Your not some moron that thinks LMGs use a larger cartage right? You know what the L in LMG stands for right?


...right?

Gameplay formula, risk & reward, rule of cool, etc.

>>289777378
Long

>>289777378
Lightning?

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>>289777528
Funny guy, your a funny guy!

>>289777378
Love?

>>289777528
>>289777697

LMG = Light Machine Gun

>>289777378
use "light" in machineguns is arbitrary. Depending on era and country it can mean anything from RPK through FALO to even M60.

>>289776429
People really don't understand how much they lower shotguns range in shooters, I had a friend complain that I was killing people at 20-30 feet in BF4 with a full choke pump action, saying that it was unrealistic cause the range was too far.

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>>289777378
>A light machine gun (LMG) is a machine gun designed to be employed by an individual soldier, with or without an assistant, as an infantry support weapon.

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>>289777885
>implying Browning M2s aren't LMGs
You just have to try harder

>>289777876
You're wrong bitch boi

>>289777378
It's an LMG because it isn't a mounted machine gun, it still uses higher caliber, heavier rounds than AR, and almost everything else that isn't mounted.

>>289778117

What was his name again?

The Bulldozer of falluhaj?

>>289778057
good choice of picture, as MG-42 were classified as both ligh and heavy machineguns depending on deploy method.
>>289778117
It's not M2, but NSV or Kord

>>289777885
>>289777885
No u dum, its a classification. Everyone uses the RPK as an example but it was a shit gun that no one uses anymore cause it doesn't follow the LMG formula and uses a full powered caliber and as a result weighs as much as your mom.

because guns ruined honorable warfare

>>289778390
U must get all your info from COD cause you are just plain wrong.

>>289778529
>RPK
>full power caliber

Shut up retard.

>>289778057
Posting a rifle from a time before the intermediate cartage was ever fully realized.

Why do you bother, you knew deep down you knew nothing about guns but yet you posted? Why would you put yourself though that? Now everyone knows how dumb you are.

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>>289778491
either bulldozer of Fallujah or juggernaut of Fallujah. I can't remember which or if they're used interchangeably.

I do know that he got killed in a drone strike, though. Which is basically the real life equivalent of this scene from Indiana Jones

>>289778871
7.62x54R *is* a full power caliber, you donut.

>>289778390
> it still uses higher caliber, heavier rounds than AR
Wrong. LMGs are specially LMGs because they use the same caliber as service weapons.

>>289778057
Sweet GPMG, bro.

>>289777885
>M60
>LMG
Try GPMG/MMG.

/v/ should not try to talk about real life and should just stick to talking about gameplay balance and stuff.

>>289778871
Oh geeze for some reason I thought he said PKM cause that's what COD kids always reference, you are right. 7.62x39 is intermediate not full power

>>289779038
>RPK
>Full power cartridge.

Nope, you're still a retard. Pull up a picture of an RPK, for me, will you.

>>289777378
You say as if GPMGs don't get shit on too.

>>289778053
BF4 shotguns suck ass. They purposefully crippled them with an abnormal spread system which everyone defends because "muh authenticity" but refuse to buff anything that might actually give them an edge over their precious assault rifles in CQC.

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>>289779038
>RPK
>shooting 54R

>>289779756
Sorry, I got confused between the RPK and the PKM.

Speaking of, what's the difference between the RPK and the RPD?

>>289779895
RPK is like an AK with a long, heavy barrel and a bipod.

RPD is totally different and is belt fed.

>>289779895
RPK is an AK with a heavier receiver and barrel. Can take the same magazines. It's on the lightest end of light machineguns and is very much meant to keep up with riflemen for mobility.

An RPD is beltfed with a top opening tray and detachable box. Not as good, since it doesn't have a huge capacity, and it can't take normal rifleman magazines. The action is very non-AK, and more like a DPM.

>>289780195
>>289780349
Thanks!

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>Game features both guns and melee weapons
>They are perfectly balanced and you can have a viable build centered around either

>>289770117
The answer is Japan.

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>>289780665
> melee weapons
> viable build

>>289780665
source?

>>289781459
He's a dumb fucking weeaboo. Clearly he doesn't know anything about reality.

>>289780665
Gunz

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>>289770117

Because if ranged weapons are blatantly stronger then there is little to no reason to go melee.

>>289778057
WW2 was different tho
that was a world where people did everything to murder eachother, rules of engagement be damned

>>289777078

Yeah killing with a knife is definitely not as easy as movies makes it seem, especially if the target actually knows how to defend themselves.

>>289783030
Welcome to the future baby

>>289770117
ITT: People who don't understand sacrificing realism for gameplay.

>>289783030
fucking exactly, the only "melee" build i would find acceptable in a game that most players use guns would be a shield similar to the shield Jackals use in the halo franchise, along with acrobatics sun as higher jumps, faster runs, wall runs/jumps but without single hit kills unless a single bullet puts you in the ground in the same game

>>289783594
>People dont understand that a game based around gunplay sucks if knifes are instant attacks that are 1-hit kills
Get the fuck out, COD baby.

Because guns are for pussies who can't use a sword.

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>>289784838

>one of the top tier lances can reach up to 270m
>fully charged blade slash from top tier blade hit at 1000 m
>basic blade at 100 m

Based EDF 2025

I know this game gets a lot of hate around here but The Last Of Us multiplayer handles this better than any other game I have found.

Melee weapons can be used effectively but you don't have marathon/lightweight fuckers zipping around shitting up the place. You need to get the drop on your enemy with patience and tactics not superhuman speed.

>>289784838
Yes, swords are most honorable.
*tips Fedorov*

>>289785609
Mock me all you want, but a using a sword actually takes skill. Any fool can use a gun, you literally just point and move a finger.

>>289785772
You cutie pie.

>SMT
>Guns are good for attacking multiple targets at once
>Swords are good for single targets

>>289785772
In basic training we spent 3 weeks learning how to correctly use a weapon and that was only with an m16. How is it harder to use a sword when all you do is literally slash?

>>289785772
Play some red orchestra and tell me how well that Katana works against my m1

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>>289785772
using a sword only takes skill if the guy you're trying to kill is also using a sword, you dingus

>>289784154
>Waah. I don't like a game mechanic because I can't shoot an idiot before he gets to me.

Learn to aim.

>>289787954
Then guns should be one-hit kill too.

This is more irritating in Gundam games.

>when comming up with the plot the director wanted the main mecha to depend on a gun to contain the waves of enemies facing it instead of swords or weird ass attacks other mecha show had at the time, hence the name Gun-dam

>said weapon is very capable of one shot everything in the universe but weapon systems designed to counter said weapon

>the sword does more damage than the rifle in the games.

>>289770117
aiming is hard

>>289770117
Because swords are much more...up...close and...personnel...*smirks

>>289770117
Swords are more Romanticized.

>>289789592
see
>>289783594

>>289770117
because balance. Swords typically have, you know. More damage and crap, while guns have less damage for BALANCE. Why should a gun do more damage upclose AND at long range?

>>289781551
>caring about reality at all
Enjoy your no-fun

>>289783948
Why limit yourself to ranged only? It's fucking fiction. You can have BOTH. Why not take it?

Because of a very simple risk vs reward approach to balancing.

>>289778656
blunt objects<swords<guns<lasers<?

>>289770117
Depends on the era.

>>289777378
Then why don't create reliable 100 rounds ar mags since there is no difference between a M16 and a M240.

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>>289770117
>Melee guy gets health and resistance and speed buffed so they can take the heat

>>289791328
Wait time out for a second.. Your just trolling right, you do really know the role of an LMG and why a clunky large weapon would not be useful in allot of situations. And that surefire has made fully reliable large capacity mags but no one uses them because they are heavy as fuck..

You know all this right? Your just being a silly troll and are not truly this dumb right?

On a completely unarmored person, a sword will generally do more damage to a person than a gun will (unless it's a big gun).

A well placed sword slash can cleave a huge cut into a person. It can disembowel them, hack chunks out of them and if it's a really hard hit, remove limbs.

In comparison, if you shoot someone with a gun, sure it'll hurt them, but it wont do that much damage. They wont lose limbs (potentially they'll be unable to use it), their guts wont spill out, nor will chunks of them be removed from their body.

Sure, guns are still fatal and a headshot will generally kill someone. But they're generally less destructive than a sword. Swords just have the potential to inflict damage over a larger area of the body than a gun.

>>289792483
>but it wont do that much damage
Maybe if you're using a 9mm.

>>289792483
You are so wrong I don't even know where to start.. I can't even get mad because your assessment was so detached from reality that I kinda just feel bad for you..

>>289792669

>(unless it's a big gun)

Fun fact. The bullets from most rifles are smaller and lighter than the bullets from a pistol. They just move faster.

A bullet puts a relatively small hole in someone. Sure if it hits the right place it can kill, but it's still a small hole.

A sword just inflicts larger wounds.

>>289793109
You have no idea what mushrooming or tumbling is do you?

>>289793109
>what is expansion/frangible bullets?
>what is hydrostatic shock?

>>289793109
>stopping power

>>289770117
Cowards uses guns real men use katana

>>289778491
>>289778991
Bulldozer of Fallujah.

>>289793109
The bullet itself isn't what does most of the damage. It's the kinetic force the bullet delivers; many bullets fragment on impact precisely to maximise this force. Most modern rounds from assault rifle can very literally blow chunks out of people or remove limbs, and heavier calibres from mounted weapons are easily capable of cutting people entirely into pieces.

>>289793109
You have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

>>289793395
Dude leave him alone.. I honestly think he gets ALL of his information from anime.. Your like bulling a mentally stunted person here..

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>>289783330

I'm talking about in terms of video games anon. For balance purposes, melee has to have some kind of advantage or you might as well not even include it.

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>>289787432
>A frog poster it's the only one that uses logic
Fuck /v/ whats wrong with you today mang

>>289793395

>>what is hydrostatic shock?

An unproven theory.

>>289793334

There are reports of swords cleaving people almost in half. Unless you have a really big fucking gun, you can't do that sort of damage to a person.

>>289793648

I've seen people being shot with assault rifles. What you've just explained doesn't happen. Unless you're using a fucking cannon you don't blow chunks out of people.

>>289773308
Off topic, but this movie was fucking awesome.

Dead Heat to whoever cares. So goddamn fun.

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>>289793109
>A bullet puts a relatively small hole in someone

>>289783030
Let's also make sure accuracy is realistic that people almost always miss

>>289793954
get something with 4,6x30mm, i want to see what i can actually do with the weapon i use in service

>>289791328
>M240
Not an LMG. You vidya retards need to get the concept knocked through your heads that not all machineguns are made for the same reason.

>Then why don't create reliable 100 rounds ar mags
Those or similar actually do exist. But you see, the problem is that a standard rifle has a barrel too light, and the overall weapon is too lightly built to handle sustained fire at machinegun levels.

And if you went and made a rifle with a heavier barrel and receiver, and then stuck high capacity magazines in it...you just created an LMG.

**********************

In any case, the above was real life, as for vidya balance, you really have to look at the overall mechanics of a game. In general I think melee weapon should be extremely high risk/high reward weapons with the payoff being no blip on a mini-map and more XP or whatever the in-game points system is.

>>289778057
Reminds me of the Hi-Point Carbine

>>289793887

ayyy. I'll watch any move I can type with one hand. If you get what I'm sayin.

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>>289793613

>>289793870
>I have no idea what i'm talking about: the post

>>289793870
>I've seen people being shot with assault rifles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYKPdNvH800

>>289793782
>Sniper only game

>>289794151

rofl.. what show is this?

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>>289770340

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>>289777006
>Tfw mounting a decent scope and bipod to an LMG turns it into a sniper rifle with 200+ rounds

>>289770117
risk and reward anon.

shotting things is easier for you, you don't get exposed to enemy attack as much as attacking at melee distance.

so in order to balance the game out, they make melee weapons do more damage than guns.

if guns were always more powerful than swords, then no one would use swords, as opposed to games where swords are more powerful, entices players to think creatively in how to approach the target to get hits in with the sword instead of just camping.

>>289794314
Blood C
It's fucking terrible.

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>>289770117
I didn't realize so many people were ass blasted by unrealistic gameplay.

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>>289794443
The FG-42 in old 'Day of Defeat' was the fucking best.

That game, by the way also handled medium machineguns great, since you *could* shoot an MG-42 from the hip, but unless you were bumped next to the enemy, you weren't hitting shit. An MG-42 set up in a good position felt wonderfully overpowered though.

>>289770117
Because even semi-automatic guns will wipe the floor with melee weapons.

>People don't know how much damage a sword can do to a person

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tameshigiri

>Older swords can still be found today that have inscriptions on their nakago (tang) that say things such as, "5 bodies with Ryu Guruma (hip cut)".

In ideal situations, swords have been reported cutting 5 PEOPLE CLEAN IN HALF AT THE HIPS.

Now find me a gun that in 1 shot can cleave 5 people in half (outside of some fucking huge cannon).

>>289794717
Poster here.

I don't care about unrealistic gameplay much, I understand balance and unrealism for the sake of fun in games. I do get a bit assblasted when people spout bullshit they learned from vidya games as if its real life information.

>>289794721
Except the MG42 wouldn't skyrocket your gun into the air the second you pressed the trigger, and a simple bipod wouldn't make it stable as it was either.

DoD was garbage.

>>289777885
M60s aren't LMGs retard, anyone who has an experience with guns past Call of Duty could tell you that. If it fires something larger than 5.56 it's most likely a GPMG/MMG.

>>289794424
>Listening to the japs opinions on anything

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>>289795020
they know how to make good games

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Japan is no-gunz
The otaku who guide the videogame market hate the oldfag Japanese who actually own guns.

Any other answer is bullshit.

>>289793870
>swords cleaving people in half
>seen people killed by assault rifles
>unproven
It's time to stop posting

>>289794969
The game implemented effects and exaggeration for a desired in-game balance. It made medium machineguns niche by being pretty much unusable except as stationary, making them a risk/reward gambit.

>>289794915
>Believing inscriptions on ancient swords

I guess you also believe that Vikings battled Dragons and Giants right? And the Katana can cut through other swords?

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>>289795020
that was a pureto richan american speaking. He use giant weapon.

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Swords are loved by self-hating weeaboos and suicide-prone otaku because they are mentally ill.

>>289770117
Because gameplay you autistic retard.

>>289794151
why didn't she just block it with her sword? this is anime she should be able to do at least that.

>>289795357
KATANA FOLDED OVER 1000 TIMES

>>289794915

uhhh okay.

Anything that fires a .50 bmg

>>289795357
Katana are basically Japanese light sabers

>>289795357
>Implying vikings didn't battle dragons and giants

You see any giants or dragons lately boy?

>>289793109
>>289792483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsD64KkCBFs

50 bmg is a scary cartridge.
There are receivers, barrels, and larger mags for smaller rifles to make it into a mid to close range weapon, even if a little unwieldy, much like any melee weapon with enough mass to severe a limb or torso in two.

>>289795562

>(outside of some fucking huge cannon)

I doubt even a .50 BMG could cut 5 people in half with a single shot though.

>>289793782

Please tell me you're being facetious.

>>289794443
This so much.

Hip fired, even iron sight with an LMG means you ain't hitting jackshit even with short bursts.

Get prone and with the bipod out though, that thing turns into a monster and recks snipers from 800yds out easy.

>>289795357
>And the Katana can cut through other swords?
Of course it can, Japanese steel is that shit.

>>289794517
Fucking Blood C. Started off slow, but I read the synopsis, so I thought I would continue. See a bit of action, get a little hooked. Eventually burn myself out because the plot goes nowhere.


Still remember the song she hums tho.

>>289795729

So basically you need the biggest, most powerful gun that a person could carry around to do damage like that?

A sword could have cleaved the deer clean in two though.

>>289796041
>This is what sword fags actually believe

>>289785772
>Any fool can use a gun, you literally just point and move a finger

>Any fool can use a car, you literally just turn wheel and move pedals

>Any fool can use a plane, you literally just press switches and move levers

>Any fool can use a welder, you literally just hold switch and move nozzle

>>289796041
>murikan
>efficiency

>>289796108

Ever been to a butchers?

They chop up meat and bone bigger than anything you'll find in a deer, using knives. If a knife can do it, so can a sword.

>>289796041
Lets say you could cleave a deer in two with a sword. It would take an immense amount of force that would tire out the user. While a well placed round of a rifle would be a one-hit kill and would have no strain on the user.

>>289796041
>A sword could have cleaved the deer clean in two though.

not without any training anon.

>>289796041
>implying the deer wouldn't have run away

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>>289796129
>Any fool can use a plane, you literally just press switches and move levers

>>289795730

Why are you assigning arbitrary handicaps? You have clearly never fired a large caliber weapon. A 30-06 will go through a fucking tree.

I'd love to see your precious katana do that.

>>289796129
>>Any fool can use a plane, you literally just press switches and move levers
But it can't melt steal beams.

>>289795812
Except that makes perfect sense.

Why would you include say,a sword in a game with guns it if it didn't give you an advantage.

>>289785772
If it's so easy you should be able to tell me how to field strip an AK-47.

Oh wait, you can't because guns require a high amount of skill and training to use effectively.

You're retarded and have never fired a gun before.

>>289796562
>Any fool can use a 4chan, you literally just press keys and solve captchas

>>289796610

.30-06 AP can be fired through several inches of steel, but good luck having a realistic conversation with a bunch of fedora tipping anime boys.

>>289796727
>If it's so easy you should be able to tell me how to field strip an AK-47.
Tell me how you would smith a sword then.

>>289795060
>tfw 2 years worth of semen

>>289796696
political statement
>keep politics out of games

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Slicing niggas is just much more fun than shooting them

Well unless you're shooting some big ass cannon like heavy bolter

>>289796850
I never said shit about swords being easy to use, your the autist saying that guns are easy to use.

Well, what are you waiting for? Give me a step by step on how to field strip an AK.

>>289796850

I'd call a sword smith.

>>289796727
>pop the recoil spring out of the dust cover
>slide out recoil spring
>slide out bolt carrier
ADVANCED
>unlock gas block and slide up.

you are now a pro at fieldstripping the AK47.

>>289796370

>A .50 BMG rifle puts no strain on the user

Sure if doesn't. If you fire it wrong you'll dislocate your fucking shoulder.

>>289796610

>Why are you assigning arbitrary handicaps?

Because otherwise I'd just post this link and then nothing wins because IT'S A GUN THAT FIRES NUCLEAR BOMBS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT5jo7aZzTw

But not every gun fires nukes, does it?

>Someone actually believing that using a sword would be more beneficial than a gun
>mfw no face

I never have to get close enough to get slashed or stabbed, why would I use a sword?

>Not having a utility knife with the gun

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>>289796041
A zweihander would pair up next to a bmg cavitation but one of which can be fired faster, weigh less overall, require less wielder training, and all from the comfort of an inconspicuous location with great accuracy.

There's bigger you can carry and yet fire.
Try 20mm rifles.
But these aren't even practical for antipersonnel use.
They'd take aircraft out in one well placed shot.

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>>289797003

guns co-existed with swords, spears, etc for hundreds of years

>>289797052

navysealcopypasta.jpeg

seriously, get over yourself you angsty little fuck.

>>289797230
And one of them stopped being standard issue.

>>289770117
Ranged attack, less damage
vs
Melee attack, more damage

Elementary balancing principles. Use your head OP

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>>289797234
Okay, swordfag. Continue to spew lies over topics you don't know shit about.

>>289797196

It's a good thing I'm not talking about how practical it is to use these weapons.

Just damage they can inflict per hit.

>>289797380
soon guns too

>>289796610

Assuming you're not lying, all it does is create a little hole in the tree. A katana would create a massive slash wound. Bigger wound = more damage.

>>289797448

I'm not even the guy you're responding to, just letting you know that you look like a socially retarded faggot trying to look hard while you argue with him from mom's Wifi.

Are bayonets still being used?

>>289797457
>It's a good thing I'm not talking about how practical it is to use these weapons.

Yea how convenient, swords wouldn't even be on the fucking table because you would be executed on sight, or disabled with a fucking ladder.

>>289770117
.50BMG>7.62x51>7.62x59r>5.55x>.50AE>10mm>.44>.45>.38>.357>.22lr>3 way knives>Air bubble knives>9mm>normal knives/combat knives.

ITT: Gunfag Texans get booty blasted because video games aren't real life.

>>289797592
>I know nothing about what I'm talking about

>>289790615
I just said a way I would accept both being in the game. It shouldn't be balanced, it should be harder to do the same job with melee over guns.

>>289797021
That melee is bad?
Seems like a waste of time to make such a weird statement.

>>289797618
plenty of countries still train in their use but rarely in combat

>>289797739
ITT: Sword fag japs still can't accept they don't know shit about anything and resort to shit posting

>>289797746

Why are gunfags so bad at trolling?

>>289797721

>Yea how convenient

Not my fault you're not following the conversation at all and then trying to make use of really shitty strawman arguments.

We're not talking about convenience. We're talking about damage a gun and sword would do to a human body.

>>289797052
I'm not the guy saying it is easy to use guns.

>>289797095
If a user fires an anti-material rifle from their shoulder without support then they are idiots, it is common sense to brace such a weapon.

>>289797230
Yes, stuff like muskets. Which took long to load and were largely inaccurate, but as firearms advanced you see melee weapons being used less.

>>289797739
>self fellating their symbolic dicks
>shit western game design aka gun simulator

>>289797818
>Games shouldn't be balanced because I like guns more and think only guns should be in video games. Fuck anything that isn't guns. Guns are love guns are life guns guns guns guns guns

You are a fucking morong.

>>289797958
Why do sword fags keep trying to have this argument?

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>>289797818
Why? Games are for escapism, the more silly it is the better
You realismfags are on par with CoDkiddies, everything should be grey on grey, no fun allowed

>>289796696
To absolutely shit on everybody's day if you are getting kills with it, because you are doing it in a way that is a lot harder than what other people are using.

>>289797946
ITT: Americans forget that more than just Japan have used swords in their lifetime.

>>289798108
are you even trying anymore?

>>289798219
So who still uses swords now?

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>>289797604
And the weeb who thinks katanas are more powerful than an assault rifle isn't trying to look hard by pulling non-sensical arguments out of his ass?

Okay, weeb.

>>289798224
Why shouldn't video games be balanced for any reason other than "MUH REALISM MUH GUNS"

Give three reasons.

>>289798275
Arabians.

>>289770340
My friend tried to make that argument with me one time. I shot him point blank before he could draw his knife.

Ok. Imaginary situation time.

Someone tells you to hold your arm out. Then they give you the choice. Get shot in the arm, or have someone slice it with a sword.

The gun in use is a standard M-16 assault rifle.
The sword in use is a standard longsword.

Which do you pick, and why?

>>289798185

>the more silly it is the better

No, just because you've decided to be contrarian towards people who like realism doesn't make you any less of a shit person. People who like campiness and silliness are far, far worse than people who like realism.

>>289798219
Japs are the only ones to keep trying to convince everyone that swords are still viable.

>>289798428
Depends on whose using it.

>>289798428
The sword because a 5.56 round would reduce my forearm to giblets which wouldn't be able to be recovered.

At least there's a chance the sword won't cut completely.

>>289770117
Because:
According to Batman
"It's The Slow Knife That Cuts The Deepest"
or Dune
"The slow blade penetrates the shield"

It's safe to assume all video game characters have some sort of force field that negates medium velocity projectiles.

>>289798372
>3'rd world country
ok

>>289798428
You're gonna most likely bleed out and die either way.

>>289798364

You are literally arguing with the retard who stands outside to watch the train pass every day. Can you not understand how that would cast you in a negative light to society?

>>289795060
To be fair, that is more of a lightsaber, and the game uses a shitty "fire line" so you can see where the bullets are going.

>>289798481
>hitler only allowed realistic art to be created

>>289798428
depends on the person using the weapon. If its an untrained person, I'd take the M16. High chance of fucking me up, but at the same time they might just graze me.

If they were using a longsword, they can just go full retard with their strength and my arm is gone.

>>289797592
Just no.

>>289798547
This is about guns and swords. In video games.
IN
V I D E O G A M E S

>>289798589
VIDEO GAMES

>>289798428
Longsword because it is a slice, not a chop. A slice would lack the power to do any lasting harm.

>>289798547
yes in videogames

>>289798428
>Ok. Imaginary situation time.
>Someone tells you to hold your arm out. Then they give you the choice. Get shot in the arm, or have someone slice it with a sword.
>The gun in use is a standard M-16 assault rifle.
>The sword in use is a standard longsword.

This situation doesn't make sense. Have you heard of the Geneva convention? Are you aware that modern day weaponry is meant to wound, not kill?

Pick a rifle from WW2 and ask that quesiton.

>>289796850

What does using a weapon has to do with building it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB6geo-oDlk

>>289798630
yea but only people with maxed out agility can avoid them

>>289798630
You still have to move faster than bullets to do that.

>>289798767
>Have you heard of the Geneva convention? Are you aware that modern day weaponry is meant to wound, not kill?

are you retarded? the geneva conventions aren't supposed to stop people killing each other in a fucking war. they're not play-fighting.

>>289798428

Comparing 5.56(a wounding round) to weaponry that has nearly been around since the dawn of fucking man, developed to maim and kill.

I can see your fedora from here.

>>289798936
VIDEO GAMES

IT'S ACTUALLY /INSIDE/ VIDEO GAMES

>>289798630
Fun fact, even lightsabers can't handle traditional ballistic weapons. In star wars lore they're a force user's trump card.
And they're more durable and reliable than blasters.
And they'll punch straight through blaster resistant armor.

Frankly it's a wonder nobody uses them more.

>>289770117
>The immense amount of autism in this thread

Not a single one of you have ever touched a gun.

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>>289799003
Video games are dumb

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ITT: GUNFAGS THINK EVERYONE IS ARGUING ABOUT REALITY AND REAL LIFE, AND NOT FUCKING VIDEO GAMES

PUT DOWN THE ASSAULT RIFLE, AMERICA. PICK UP A BOOK.

>>289799042
>Using bullets when I can shoot a laser
Why would I bother?

>>289798846
Because stripping an AK-47 is maintaining, not using. I used a poor comparison, it is like asking a driver to check a car's oil, washer fluid etc.

Not knowing how to would not mean you couldn't drive, it'd just mean you couldn't maintain a car.

>>289799117
And? I played enough videogames to don't give a shit about MUH REALISM

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>>289799171

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>>289798428
Nigga, those aren't even comparable when the factors behind one of them are ambiguous.
Without knowing who's swinging the sword and how far down the blade it's going to contact you won't be able to determine which is a better deal.

>>289799117

I fired an AK and M4 once.

Didn't like how the M4 blew gas in my face and eyes. I honestly liked the AK more because it felt easier to use, and didn't fart in my face.

Why aren't we using the AK more than the M4?

>>289799042
>lightsabers work like katana vs unarmored and bullets are like arrows
>>289799117
Not a single one of you have ever touched a katana.

>>289799002

Fine.

You get to use a .50 BMG rifle.
The guy with the sword is allowed to upgrade to a chainsaw.

Now which do you pick?

Also, both people are trained experts.

>>289799307
Performance wise, the M4 wipes the floor with an AK.

>>289798997
>the geneva conventions aren't supposed to stop people killing each other in a fucking war. they're not play-fighting.

5.56 is used so in the event a wounded soldier lives he doesn't have half of his fucking body blown off. But okay, let's compare it to weaponry designed to do the exact opposite.

>>289770117
>All that tacticool crap
There's a special place in hell for people like these.

>>289798108
If the setting the game takes place in calls for guns being the main weapon, then so be it. In games like Mount and blade, where guns are primitive and unweildy, I prefer the sword even though the gun can kill me in 1 shot. That is because it is more likely that I will get in the other player's face and start slashing before they hit me with their shit musket

>>289799373

Why stop there?

Gun guy gets to use a trebuchet
sword guy gets to use a 2 tonne piece of sharpened glass.

>>289799429
10/10 chuckled

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>>289798481
>People who like campiness and silliness are far, far worse than people who like realism.

>>289799403

But in most games you're using exactly this type of fucking weapon. So it's a fair comparison.

You don't get to say "b-but this really big gun does more damage!" when you're not even using those kind of guns in games.

>>289799542
>Gun guy gets to use a trebuchet
Come on, that ain't a gun.

He gets to use Dora.

>>289799478
>We have space lasers why would you use a beam saber LOL

>>289799654
>But in most games
>arbitrary argument

>you don't get to make an arbitrary argument

Oh okay

>>289799042
IIRC,alot of armor is actually slugthrower proof,plus blasters are easier to use and have uniform ammunition.

>>289799239
If we're talking like that then using a sword is easy. All you have to do is wave it around and stab. Which is where the argument started in that using a sword takes skill and using a gun does not.

When the reality is that both require great skill to use properly.

>>289795406
"Melee weapons suck ass"
I'm speaking as a martian btw, so my opinion overrides yours.

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/k/ go back to your board

You can't even handle simple fiction

>>289799916
Also,blasters are more effective against droids.

>>289799824
>User has space magic that lets them actually use the beam saber effectively, any average chum with a beam saber would be burned full of laser holes

>>289799831

In a military shooter, you use standard military equipment. Which is an assault rifle that fires 5.56x45mm rounds. Occasionally you'll use other standard military weapons, but you sure as hell aren't carrying around a fucking howitzer that can blast a person into little pieces. Which is what you're trying to compare your average gun to.

>>289777378
They almost always fire 7.62, most ARs fire 5.56. They sure as shit fire higher caliber rounds.

>>289794151
is she ok?

>>289800210
>but you sure as hell aren't carrying around a fucking howitzer that can blast a person into little pieces. Which is what you're trying to compare your average gun to.

It's not uncommon to See M14's in military shooters, pretty sure the latest military shooter had one... pretty sure every military shooter has one because it has been an iconic weapon since vietnam. But hey, don't let me stop you from making your arbitrary arguments man. Keep comparing wounding rounds to maiming weapons.

>>289800282
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M249_light_machine_gun

>>289797196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQS0wt3-QXo

>>289777078
>real life
who gives a shit, i thought we're talking about fucking video games here?
next you gonna say shooting energy beams out of hands and magic isn't realistic either. what a stupid statement.

>>289800402
yes, she had sex the next scene using the bullet wound in creative ways

>>289770117
game balance, getting close enough to melee something leaves one open to bullets, so there has to be a tradeoff in the sense of fairness.

guns are still better than swords, but if you're stupid enough to let someone get close enough to use a sword on you while you /have/ a gun?

let's face it, you pretty much deserve what's coming.

>>289800482
>Anime guns

>>289800210
>but you sure as hell aren't carrying around a fucking howitzer that can blast a person into little pieces

You don't need a howlitzer to do that. Lots of .308/30-06/.50 BMG will do that, even 7.62.

Hit a bone and that shit will explode sending tiny fragments everywhere.

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Grorious Nippon steel > filthy gweilo paper

>>289800475
>almost

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>>289800705
Man Black Lagoon was so fun

>>289800681

>Lots of .308/30-06/.50 BMG will do that, even 7.62.

Yeah. and in a military situation those kind of ammo are used primarily in mounted weaponry. The sort of stuff you're also not carrying around.

>>289800705
Liked the show, but you have to turn the brain off to like it. Katana's were folded so many times because they used shit metal and not a lot of it. Most of the high quality ones would break if they went against heavier European swords of high quality.

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>>289800402
Daijobu

>>289800739
Check the list near the bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_machine_gun

>>289801021

You have no idea what you're talking about. We're done. Revel in your ignorance.

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>>289799196
>PUT DOWN THE ASSAULT RIFLE, AMERICA. PICK UP A BOOK.

I agree wholeheartedly, my good sir. These uneducated swine and their war machines have got to go.

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>>289800890
yeah the guns play wasn't too anime

>>289801042
we know you fucking retard

>>289801021
AKM and many others fire 7.62, are you calling that a nonstandard military round?

>>289801536.
>>289799196
how will i defend my books though?

>>289801638
Weebs are under the delusion that their glorious nip steel could slice a tank in half if given enough force

>>289801021
>mounted guns
>7.62 NATO and 7.62x54r
because 240s and PKs are too heavy to carry, right?

>>289801797
7.62x39 is an intermediate caliber, I don't think that's a valid point, in that guy's defense.

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>>289801062
YO THAT LADY'S FACE GOT BLOWN IN HALF. HOW IS A FUCKING PIECE OF CLOTH SUPPOSED TO REPLACE LIKE HALF HER HEAD? THANKS ANIME AND GG GUNS ALL YOU NEED AFTER A FATAL GUNSHOT IS SOME COTTON AND YOU GOOD

>>289801797

>7.62×39mm
>8g, 123gr

>9×19mm Parabellum
>8.04g, 124 gr

kek

It fires out more aerodynamic handgun rounds.

>>289801909
They can you dipshit

>>289778656
From least honorable to honorable from left to right:

Guns<Crossbows<Bows<Slings<Javelins<Blades = Blunt<Piercing (Spears)<Rocks<Fists

Least effective to most effective:

Fists<Rocks<Blunt<Blade<Bows<Slings<Piercing = Javelins<Crossbows<Guns

>>289802134
Is the same anime in which a bunch of giant bunnies either shiskebab some people on their fingers to eat them or throw them in a hand-sack and blend them into smoothie.

Also, monsters that mimic human appearance at one point.

tl;dr: IT'S MAGIC! I AINT GONNA EXPLAIN SHIT

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>>289802203
>slings both more honorable and more effective than bows.

my ultimate nigga

>>289778656
Nope.

The Mongols and the British did.

>>289802192
This is not the anime universe.

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>medicine man class in a class-based shooter
>he can heal at range

>>289800517
muh suspension of disbelief

>>289798392
My friend tried to make that argument too. I stabbed him before he could unholster his gun.

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>>289802680
And?

Katanas made with current technology could probably pierce tank without any problem

>>289789787
beam rifle one shots would make everything annoying as hell and make playing as the Zekes in almost any game fucking impossible. Zeonic Front had the Beam rifle as a oneshot, but then the fuckin Beam spray guns were literally useless.

Besides its more fun to Zakukick shit or play as a G Gundam suit

>>289794717
CROSBY JUST GOT LAUNCHED INTO THE STRATOSPHERE

>>289802975
Please try harder, Why would a sword be able to do shit to a mechanical angel of death that many explosives and small arms + large arms fire cant touch.

>>289778991
>I do know that he got killed in a drone strike, though
sauce

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speaking of ranged

Bows or Crossbows, /v/?
hard mode: no horse archery included

>>289803156
Because it's so fucking sharp idiot

Like you never saw those sharp as fuck knives they use to make sushi

I'd like to see more games that blend really great shooting mechanics with great melee systems. Shadow Warrior was a great step in the right direction, but I think a lot more can be done.

>>289802860
Free your mind.

There are thousands of ways to explain why melee is more powerful then guns.
Most of them involve magic or chi

>>289802975
Anything could fucking pierce something with enough force. Katanas aren't special. The only thing that could pierce a tank with the strength of the average human is a lightsaber.

>>289803374
Today swords are like lightsabers man, they're so fucking sharp

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>>289803281
>blade on flesh is comparable to blade on steel

>>289803258

Crossbows because Van Helsing movie.

>>289802838
>Blow gun with PCP tipped darts

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>>289803307
>Shadow Warrior
>really great shooting mechanics

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Why you guys even responded to that is beyond me.
Take that stick out of your asses

>>289770340
Its really at as easy to kill with a knife as movies make it seem. For example, men on medieval battlefields died more often from bleeding out than the immediate wound that incapacitated them.

>>289796041
I guess, after you've shot the deer and retrieved the body, because it will have fled if you approached it on foot YOU STUPID FUCKING 300LB AUTISTIC WEEB PIECE OF SHIT.
I've seen the ColdSteel guys cut an animal torso in half after it's FUCKING SUSPENDED FROM A ROPE IN FRONT OF THEM KILL YOURSELF WITH ONE OF YOUR ORNAMENTAL KATANAS

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>>289778117
>Browning M2
That is definitely not an M2. It's not even American.

>>289778991
>I do know that he got killed in a drone strike

He's most likely not real. The description was already suspect since they said it was a Browning M2 and that they're mounted on Humvees, when it's clearly not and it's not even American. I think it's a KORD or NSV, and they're quite large. The image itself looks like it was doctored. This image and its accompanying text were the only source for this guy's existence. He's probably just propaganda, and if this image isn't doctored then they probably just held it up for a picture.

>>289778520
>>289803891
finally a thread where people make an effort to point this shit out.

NSV is significantly lighter than the M2

>>289777378
Most fire 7.62 or a similar round that has a bit more kick than a 5.56. Most.

And even then, they tend to have slightly less damage and worse accuracy than an Assault Rifle.

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The game now has magic in it, including but not limited to: magic infused armor and weapons.


which becomes superior, firearms or melee weaponry ignoring that people can just use fucking magic as offensive

>>289803326
Oh don't worry I really don't care when guns and swords are mixed, though I do feel that guns are underpowered too often. I was making fun of that argument. I mean I can see how some characters in Hyperdimention Neptunia, for example, use swords, guns and magic together but it works because the characters are divine beings.

European fire can't melt Damascus steel.

>>289770117
It looks like his rifle can emulate PS2 games.

>>289804068
It's not about the weight. Look at the size of it compared to him. The gun looks physically too small, even for an NSV. He'd have to be 6'5, possibly taller. If that's the case then they all must be giants considering the guy to his left and far right are about as tall as him.

And then just think about firing that thing. Would it even cycle? I doubt it. This guy is just propaganda.

>>289803485
You know, I read about all these alloys and it amazes me how far metallurgy has gone. There's aluminum alloys that are used for car bodies because how strong they are.

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What would cause the world to go back to melee weaponry, if lasers werent an option? Completely bullet proof full body armor/suits?

>>289780665
In most games like that, the PvP is a mess of keep away and is mostly match-up, not skill, based.

Gunners play keep away from melee and slowly wear them down. Or, in the case of heavy gunner/light melee, heavy gunner gets blitzed and fucked instantly.

>>289804080
>Most fire 7.62
what

the ONLY way a LMG could fire 7.62 and still be classified a LMG is if it were an old RPK, which isn't even used in Russia anymore since the advent of the RPK-74

that leaves 7.62 NATO. and if a MG is firing 7.62 NATO, it's a General-Purpose Machine Gun, or GPMG (or MMG if you prefer)

this is of course not counting weird chinese designs that no one understands.

but seriously if your machine gun shoots "7.62" and it's not shooting AK food, it's not a LMG but a GPMG.

MG3 is a GPMG
240 is a GPMG
PKM is a GPMG
M60 is a GPMG

of course you can generally blame Cawadooty for people getting these wrong.

>>289804592
Legend of Galactic Heroes nigga

>>289804592

Cyborg technology and vibroblades.

Ranged combat is inherently deeper and tactical than meelee, people just like meelee because it is simpler and can be made to look flashier.

>>289792483
You don't need to cleave off an arm to kill someone, you idiot.

By your logic, the only way to effectively kill someone with a sword is to overkill them.

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>>289798392
>>289802970
You two should battle. It would be absolutely ebin, just like Spike vs Vicious in Cowboy Beepboop XDD

>>289801909
https://youtu.be/g9J_ryHFNCo?t=140
no gun can slice a tank in half game

>>289796041
>the only way my weapon is effective is if I do several times more damage than necessary
>meanwhile a gun can do relatively minimal damage and get the kill from a distance away
kek

>>289795406
Written by a jap

>>289789592
>Then guns should be one-hit kill too

And so, Hotline Meemami was born

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>>289803374
>no anime bullshit allowed
>scifi bullshit a-okay

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>>289805590

>>289804680
>Most fire 7.62 or a similar round
>or a similar round
Reading comprehension is key.

>>289800482
>.950
That's 24 mm rounds right there, why isn't it listed as a small caliber cannon round?

>>289804592
rise of the robots

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>>289805930
>.30 cal similar to .223 cal

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>>289778991
>That gif
Fun fact, the guy with the sword trained for months for an elaborate battle with Ford, but Ford suggested to Spielberg only a day prior that it wouldn't be in Indie's character to have a fair fight if he had a gun

Could you imagine the sword guys feelings when he heard that? All that hard work for nothing.

>>289786642
Rising storm actually balances melee with the banzai charge, it makes your aim shake and makes the charger more resistant to bullets, and this effect gets better the more chargers there are in a given area.

Of course, retards don't know how to banzai charge in that game so it ends up being as effective as real banzai charges are, AKA- not very.

I've gotten some pretty ridiculous katana kills though. Nothing like charging into a bunker and murdering everyone inside before they can react.

>>289805884
notvidya

>>289804680
M60E3 Fires 7.62
FN minimi
Negav
Pecheneg

>>289806296
>but Ford suggested to Spielberg only a day prior that it wouldn't be in Indie's character to have a fair fight if he had a gun
Didn't the story was that Ford was simply to tired during that day and after a short banter they agreed to shorten the scene?

>>289806296
The story I heard is that he was sick that day and couldn't do the fight so instead he shot the guy and they left it in because they felt it was within character.

>>289791328
They do. It's called the Ares Shrike, it's a belt fed AR. Also there was a weapon called the Stoner 63 which could be converted between an AR and an LMG.

It's not just the magazines though, LMGs usually have heavier barrels to withstand the wear and tear of sustained fire. For example, the RPK is just an AK with a heavier, longer barrel.

>>289802970
My friend tried to make that argument too. I knocked him out before he could take out his knife.

>>289806417
barrel length does not determine classification

and according to wiki, a 7.62 NATO minimi is called a maximi.