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im just going to leave this here
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Dualshocks suck, everyone knows this already.
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>>284948947
daily reminder that the 360 controller is superior to the xbone one and anyone who disagrees has never used a genesis controller before
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>>284948947
looks like a four year old made this
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>>284948947
DS4 thumb sticks are shorter, though
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>>284948947
>Purposely left out wii u pro controller for having perfect stick distance
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>>284949131
>360 controller is superior to the xbone one

There are people that don't agree with this? Why didn't they just fix the flaws of the 360 controller?
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>>284948947
>not wiiU pro

but srsly though, symetrical sticks is best
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>>284948947
>thumbstick too high
Do you have like really small hands?
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>>284948947
if you can't use both you're retarded.
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>>284948947

I like both. I use the xbone controller on PC and it's comfy as fuck, far prefer it to the PS4 controller, but I have a PS4 and no xbone.

Because it's all FUCKING SUBJECTIVE
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>DS4 thumbsticks too high
They aren't high enough, and are short as shit. Whoever made this has never held a DS4.
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>>284949314
The Wii U layout is awful for any game where you're not using both sticks at once for the majority of the time.
Although I prefer the gamepad for 2D games and Mario Kart.
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>>284948947
Does Xbone controller still run on batteries
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>>284949314
I don't like the WiiU pro because you can't claw
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>>284949270

its even worse
they took two short sticks and put them ontop of a giant base.

this is the most retarded thing you can possibly do
they removed the leverage the old sticks had, (which was not really beneficial to begin with) and only kept the awkwardness of its position

beyond fucking dumb
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>>284949131
I've own both the 3 and 6 button Genesis controllers, and I own both the 360 and Bone.
The Bone controller is objectively superior.
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Which controller is the best?
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>>284950101
Gamecube
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>>284950101
For 3D games, Bone
For 2D games, CC Pro
For Smash, Gamecube
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Superior design
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I don't like the fact that sticks aren't placed symmetrically.

Anyway, what is a good wired PC controller that works out of the box?
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>>284948947
higher sticks are more precise
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>>284950348
You can get a 360 controller for about $30. No idea if you have to install drivers for them anymore.
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>>284950227
OH GOD WHICH X BUTTON DO I HIT
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>>284950348
>I don't like the fact that sticks aren't placed symmetrically
You might be autistic

your brain is asymmetric, and controls your hands asymmetrically, thus asymmetric controller is better
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>>284948947
I'm holding up my DS4 to the image and the sticks are the exact same size to the ticked drawing. What exactly is the problem?
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>>284949131
>using my friends xbone controller
>feels light and cheap as fuck
>THOSE FUCKING BUMPERS WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

the 360 controller was perfect, why they gotta fuck wid it? Also the DS4 is a huge improvement on the DS3. Imo it's the second most comfortable controller I've used after the gamecube.
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>using default garbage
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>>284950541
jesus fucking christ this is one of the biggest stretches of pseudo-science I've ever seen.
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>>284950696
>paying that much for a controller
>not doing it yourself
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What controllers you prefer are usually more to do with hand size than anything. If you have little baby hands, you're probably going to have a different opinion than someone that has ogre hands when it comes to controllers.

Aside from that, pasting overused maymays doesn't make your argument more coherent, just makes it look that much lazier. Apply yourself.
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>>284949131
wait no.

360 controller was A+ tier
One is S.

As soon as I touched it I knew controllers had peaked.
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>>284950696
Using a controller for FPS gaming.

wtf are u doin
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>>284951035
using aimbot like everyone else
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>>284949131
OG XBox small controller was better than the 360 controller, only flaw were again, the stupid ass black and white buttons.
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>>284949131
Go use an Xbone controller then try using a 360
>thin, non-ergonomic triggers
>wide ass slippery sticks that move as fast as glaciers
>square shaped sides (your hands are at like 90 degrees)
>hard to hit spherical buttons
>THAT FUCKING D-PAD
>terrible guards around the edges of the sticks
>no rumble triggers
>Xbox button right in the middle of everything
>bumpers that are identical to the Xbone's, just lowerthey're both terrible
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>>284950494

I'VE GOT TWO COCONUTS SO WHICH ONE DO I PICK
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OP you do realize that all handheld controllers are inherently simplified and inferior, you can't control turn rate because all motions have an upper speed limit

this is why console shit is always third person, so the player with an inferior controller can have some situational awareness

arguing about which handheld controller is best is like arguing about which type of ramen is best
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>>284951697
>the only genres that exist are TPS and FPS
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>>284951697
Everybody knows that Maruchan Ramen Noodle Soup is the best one.
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>>284951620
>>no rumble triggers
Who uses rumble anymore?
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>>284951035

wreckin niggas left right and center who are using mouse + keyboard. It's like you're all being sarcastic when you say m+kb is good, because it's fucking hilariously bad and uncomfortable for gaming
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>>284951787

>tyke sticks are used by genres other than TPS and FPS
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>>284951697
Try and play a platformer with kb+m
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>>284951921
I do. It gives games a more tactile feel when you're playing. It's kind of like adding a sense like sight or sound when you play. It's good for immersion when done right
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>>284952156

>tactile

stop using meme words
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>>284951984
MGR/DMC/Bayonetta
Dark Souls
any platformer
any twin stick shooter

inb4
>b-but all that is shit m-muh Quake
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>>284950327
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>>284952384
>sense of touch is a meme
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>>284952505
>mfw I beat Zelda:OoT, MM, TP and WW using keyboard.

Archery minigames were hard though
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>>284952384
TACTILE not TACTICAL
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I've been using my one controller daily and the sticks do not ghost walk like the 360 controller would after about a month

Only complaint about the one controller is the bumpers

The ps4 controller is nice if you're a manlet
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>>284948947
The xbone one looks like a downgrade from the 360's.
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>>284952389
well it had to be patched by a fan, but I thought KBM was better for dark souls than controller, did I miss something there?

in fact the only argument you could make that KBM was inferior for dark souls, was in fact a software error/limitation, which was the built in turn-rate limit of the camera

and isn't that TPS? I mean just because you use swords and have a (eventually useless) lock on ability, that doesn't mean its not a third person shooter/action game

the point of the sarcasm is that anything that's done with third person and kiddie sticks can be done better with KBM and first person, EVERYTHING

in fact the third person view isn't even the problem, it's the inferior controller, which is my whole point
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>>284951956
I will play you at any fps game if you'd like while you use a controller and I use m+kb :^)
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if i set steam so that I'm playing games as a family account thing, will other people see a link between the account?

ie assume two accounts:
johnboring65
le/v/funposty man

owned by one person

some games were bought on le/v/funpostyman, but now a friend of this person wants to play multiplayer too. the person does not want their real world friends to see a shitposting account, but also doesn't want to buy the game twice just to avoid this issue.

so yeah if i say johnboring65 and le/v/funpostyman are family (they basically are - same person, same house) will other people see this linkage or is it private?
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>>284948947

Symmetric controller > asymmetric controller
Name one twin-sticked asymmetric controller with a good d-pad. I'll wait.
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>>284949131
agreed. the sticks have that dumb ring on it, which makes them smaller and less comfortable and they are also too loose. they have a nice smooth range of motion, but they are too loose.

xbox controller s and the 360 controller are the best controllers for modern games.
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>>284953373
Name one reason to have a symmetric controller that isn't playing shooters because that's retarded as fuck.
I'll wait.
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>>284953148
>anything third person can be done better with KBM
>conveniently ignores MGR/DMC/Bayonetta
Have you ever played a character action game? I can't tell if you're trolling or seriously only play shooters.
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>>284953485

Good d-pad, like I said.
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>>284953123
How do you hold the controller for the bumpers to be uncomfortable? I like them a lot more because I need to move my finger so much less in order to hit them.
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>>284950327
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>>284953686
Bone
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>>284953837

Like all sensible people I've never bought a bone so I can't say if you're right or wrong there. Looks the part but I don't know if it's comfortable to reach.
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>>284948947
I went down to Game for the first time in 2-3 years today, just to feel up the controllers. The PS4 one isn't bad, but I don't like the symmetric sticks and the triggers felt bad. The Xbone controller is just an upgraded of the 360's, with a proper d-pad. I'm getting one of those eventually. Unless the Steam controller turns out to not suck.
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>>284953790
Fucking Madcatz
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>>284948947
>too high sticks
Try not being a manlet with manlet hands.
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>>284949356
they did fix the d pad, but they made the sticks worse.
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>>284953790
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>>284954030
I can't imagine this to be even remotely comfortable.
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>>284948947
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>mfw some guy brings a ps4 in to my office for repair and the rubber on the analog stick is ripped
This controller is a piece of fucking garbage
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>>284953919
The controller itself is fine enough. It's no less comfortable than using the stick+face buttons on a PS controller.
It's possibly the best d-pad since Nintendo's.
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>>284953148
You absolutely did miss something.
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>>284954319
lel

but it's clear you made this yourself. edit out the "(you)" :^)
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2button on 4 button layout

A+X / B+Y
or
A+B / X+Y?
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>>284954279
I don't even know how it looks any more. It's been like 7-8 revisions since the initial announcement. Still, if it comes out for 20-30€, it might be worth a try.
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>>284954403
i compiled it into a humorous image, yes
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>>284954279
looks fine to me. the 'lobed' handles helps different sized hands hold it in different ways.

The only uncertain thing is how well will the touch pads work.
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I put the bone sticks in the DS4. They're actually a little bit taller.
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>>284950327
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>>284954539
OP BTFO
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>>284954352

How expensive is it and how compatible is it with the PC?
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And I'll just leave this here
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>>284954612
$50, and it's as compatible as any of the 360 controllers. You just need a micro USB cable for it.
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>>284954539
I did the same thing, and I actually forgot I had until I saw this thread. I don't even remember what the DS4 sticks felt like, I just remember liking them a lot less.

I prefer everything else about it over the Xbone controller, though, which is funny because I loved the 360 pad vs. the DS3.
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>>284948947
made me check/10

It's fine
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>>284950696
No offense, but Scuf controls are for kiddies who use dropshotting and grenade cancelling to get them through their day. Certainly not worth like $100.
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>>284954716
This is fucking awful.

A microswitched stick instead of a dpad would be great though. Literally the only good thing about the Neo Geo X.
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*CLICKING INTENSIFIES*
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Wii U Pro Controller is best controller.
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>>284955136
>>284955178

I don't think I've ever used a microswitched controller.
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>Not owning the best controller on the market
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>>284955329
It's what you have in arcade sticks
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>>284954847
>50 americuus

Got one for 30€. Lucky me I guess.

Too bad I can't use two of my DS3's wirelessly with it on PC.
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>>284955523
They were on sale during the holidays.
I actually own an Xbox One.
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>>284953360
pls respond
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>>284950327

how is there no dorito button
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>>284955946
Stop using DRM cancer
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>>284954559
How the fuck do you rotate the camera?
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>>284956076
what about the games that are already bought?
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>>284950327
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>>284955339
>no donate button
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>>284956358
A lot of wasted money
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a good pad must be symmetric
learn that peasants
weapons designer do their best to create symmetric weapon
i let you understand why
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>>284953790
>>284954716
>>284955339
>No "BOP IT!" button
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>>284955339
I don't understand, how do you use this controller?

It has a Doug button, but no Faster?
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>Not playing in a BattleTech pod
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>>284948947

Keyboard + Mouse
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>>284950696
>over 85% of the world's top pro gamers trust SCUF®

...of the 10% percent who are "pro gamers" on a console playing with a pad?

How can they blatantly make up bulllshit like that? I've never even heard of this thing?
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360 controller is still the best controller ever invented with a D-Pad fix.
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>>284951620
Don't forget the lack of analog buttons.
Honestly, why even use controllers that don't have analog inputs?
Just use a fucking keyboard at that point.
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>>284960879
Analog face buttons are about as useful as a share button.
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>>284960973

b-but muh mgs
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>>284960973
>share button
that's useful
i use mine
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>>284960973
Stop playing multiplats that don't take advantage of them. Ace Combat 4, 5, and 0 all made excellent use of analog face buttons, as did the MGS games.
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>>284948947
>add a touch pad to the controller making it more expensive
>only used as a button in 99% games
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R8 my controller guys.
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>>284960658

Perfect controller:

>Gamecube face buttons
>any Nintendo d-pad before the Wii
>Gamecube analog triggers
>360 digital triggers
>DS4 sticks
>360 body
>two extra buttons below four main face buttons, (black and white/plus and minus or similar)
>micro USB wired with the option to go wireless like the DS4
>DOUG/FASTER dead center for pause/select
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>>284961849
9/10 it's alright
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I always wondered why every company makes the d-pad a big button with 4 directions instead of 4 buttons
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>>284949956
how so? I had a 360 for years, and trying out the bone at gamestop depressed me

also the DS4 is awkwardly shaped
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>>284948947
Xbox still using concave shaped analog sticks, therefor Xbox is still shit.
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can somebody post that happy meal toy where the Doug button came from?
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I vastly prefer dualshock, it feels like it fits in my hands. I feel like im awkwardly grasping bone pads and have to wrestle control out of them.

Well the world dont move,
To the beat of just one tune.
What might be right for you,
Might not be right for some
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>Americans are morbidly obese and too stupid to not grab something with the palm of their hand

Every fucking thread
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>>284962304
Because switching directions would be less fluid. It's much easier to rock one solid piece back and forth than to press a button each time
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>>284950327
Come at me
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>>284962454
It's concaved for your thumb to sit in, not skid around on top of and end up losing grip
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>>284962632
It rests in the palm, not on the fingers. Therefore, ergonomics
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>>284955339

>no 3

What the hell?
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>>284961849
>>284960658
>>284954716

What is with this doug button? What is a doug button supposed to do?
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The DS4 is objectively shittier than the Xbone controller, plus you don't have to install a metric shit ton of third party drivers to get it to work.

inb4 le ebin babby hands maymay
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>>284949131

>tfw i have both controllers
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>>284964191

"Baby hands" is tossed around by people who rag on the dualshock for being too small, dummy.
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Neither is better than the other.
Dualshock will always be better for fighters, hack n slash, rpg's, etc.
Whereas Xbox will always be better for racers, FPS's, sports...well I guess that's it.
I just realized that the Xbox is only good for dudebros...Weird.
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>>284964191
Didn't the DS4 already have PC support?
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>>284955339
>power on/off in the middle of ps buttons

kek
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>>284950327
here's your controller bro
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>>284964150
it dougs
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I have a serious question for you guys.
I'll use Dark Souls as an example since it's the one that pops my mind the most.

How the fuck can i run in Dark Souls while rotating the camera without using my index finger? This happens with both PS controls and Xbox.
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>>284948947
>circle gate
I hate both.
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>>284964531

>Dualshock will always be better for fighters

>Xbox will always be better for FPS

Fixed that for you.
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>>284964150
What DOESN'T it do?
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>>284964812

Shit, every button should be doug.
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>>284964812
heh
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>>284948947
I hate how the Dualshock 4 is nice as fuck..... EXCEPT FOR THE RUBBER NUBS COMING OFF THE FUCKING ANALOGS.

It is a DREAM to use on the PC, especially with bluetooth for no wire and that god damn touchpad to use as a mouse. But the rubber nubs came off and I got covers for them and they were loose as shit, so I superglued them on. That held them in place, but now it cant form an air tight seal as it's supposed to and the underside of them stick out and it catches the rim of the faceplace around the analog.

DID SONY FIX THE RUBBER YET SO I CAN BUY A GOD DAMN NEW DS4?
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>>284958667
Sure is you want a couple forms of repetitive motion injuries by the time you're 40.
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>>284964531
Lmao no fucking way xbox is better for races. I 've tried both and dualshock is much better.
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>>284965053

>touchpad to use as a mouse

Is this a thing yet? I thought it wasn't.
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>>284965612
It is. You tap the pad to left click and push it in to right click, as well.
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>>284951882
Sapporo Ichiban you fucking pleb
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>>284950696
>increasing the use of your hand, by up to 100%
sold
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>>284953790
>doug
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>>284949131
The bumpers are shit compared to the 360 and the start and select buttons are not responsive enough, but other than that its pretty fucking solid. I like how the battery pack is actually flush with the back instead of a massive protrusion too.
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>>284963385
That's exactly what the concave does, I always seem to have to readjust my thumb. Concave works best on like the 3DS' circle pad since it moves on a flat surface rather than tilting. The convex analog sticks on the PS3 work best and feel more comfortable. I have no clue what the hell happen to PS4 controller though.
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>>284950696
I had one for the original xbox that was two pistol grips with the face buttons in them so you didn't have to move any fingers when playing an FPS.

It actually worked alright when you got used to it but once I took a break from using it I had to relearn it again and eventually I just said fuck it
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>>284966908

>actually preferring smooth concave to convex

Christ anon
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>>284967356
>>284966908

>convex to concave*

Hurr
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I'm not going to argue about the joysticks themselves but you must be fucking retarded to prefer the 360 disposition. Ever heard of symmetry?
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>>284967356
It's better for certain movements. If you are used to it and know how to work with it, it's actually a benefit in MOST situations. As long as the grip is good, it allows for more subtle thumb adjustments on the fly than a convex stick, by far. Just gently release pressure, let it slide a bit to where you want your thumb to be at, then reapply pressure. Convex, you have to pretty much stick to the edge if you want to do this, limiting what you can do.

>notice audiosurf scores go up using a dualshock 3 vs a 360 controller
>realize it's because i am able to not even lift my thumb to make corrections, on the 360 controller, you have to release the stick from time to time to get it comfy again, making you fuck up
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>>284967471
fuck i made the same mistake as you

CONCAVE, you have to stick to the edge of the stick. God dammit.
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>>284967812
>>284967719
and forgot to click the relevant post in question

i should just go kill myself now
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>>284967719
>on the 360 controller, you have to release the stick from time to time to get it comfy again, making you fuck up
Do you have retard hands or something or are you constantly producing oils?
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>>284967219
Are you talking about this thing? I remember using it for phantom crash and destroying my friends.
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>>284967993
I have better grip on the convex dualshock than I do on the concave 360. If anything, fat greasy fingers would perform worse on the dualshock, anon.
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>>284950221
Only for Melee. 64 is best with 64, and Brawl and 4 are better with classic.
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>>284952505
Only problem is the D-pad. Worst of all time.
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>>284948947
>micro usb
They're both garbage.
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>>284950221
>For 2D games, CC Pro
For 2d games with no important diagonal movement: dualshock

Only flaw with that dpad design is diagonals being hell but doable. If your game just has the basic 4 directions, the buttons being separated under the face plate is amazing. it makes it hard to press the wrong (usually diagonals kek) direction and fuck up.

>pacman championship dx with the dualshock dpad
It's a dream.
>>
:)
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>>284969654
If only ZL and ZR were like 360's LT and RT, it would be GOAT controller. Right now it's almost perfect.
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>>284968086
That is the exact one.

Omly difference was my dad sawed the trigger guards off cause they were too small for his fat fingers
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Why don't any controllers today have analog stick grooves? I liked analog stick grooves. They were good for going straight and stuff.
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How the fuck do I emulate the XInput for Wii U Pro on PC? Or should I just order the Mayflash?
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>>284970775
Mayflash is your best bet.
I have it and works so well
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>>284970753
They make too much noise during stick-spinning QTEs.
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>>284949793
no it runs on nuclear fusion
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>>284948947

> 2015

> Failed abortions still don't understand how to hold the DualShock

At least you still have your giant blob of plastic to clench your filthy ogre hands around.
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>>284948947
>hurr durr notice this, notice that

Ii sucks, Xbone is dead and it's gamepad is a worthless piece of crap.
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>>284970775
the mayflash adapter is great
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>>284969654
This and DS4 are my favorite controllers right now
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>>284970992
>Not liking the sweet sound of CLAKCLAKCLAKCLAKCLAKCLAKCLAKCLAK
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>>284970837
O-okay then. The problem is that the only way to buy it is via ebay, I doubt that there is at least one mayflash in my country to buy. Are chinese $15 MF's legit?
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>>284971040
There's no comfortable way to use a DS controller unless you're a small child.
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>>284948947

Yeah you sure convinced everyone with those hot opinions you've got there.
>>
The only thing nice about the Xbox controllers is that most PC games natively support it and not generic gamepads for some reason.

But you can get around that with some simple setting adjustments.
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>>284971378
Where do you live?
I'm in taco land and Amazon brought it just fine.
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>>284956636

The problem with using a Dpad as facebuttons is it has a rocker in the middle so you can't press left and right or up and down at the same time. Admittedly you don't do that very often, but it would still feel terrible to play with.
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>>284948947
I fixed your argument for you you memespouting faggot.

Go back to reddit.
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>>284971815
Putinstan. But I'll be living India for a couple of months, maybe I'll find it there.
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>>284954279
wow this is shit
what were they thinking
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>>284950327
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>>284949131
The bone controller is objectively superior. It just is
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>>284950327
I just want a left-handed controller
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>>284969654
>right analog stick about the button
almost perfect
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>>284972807
above*
kek
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Why are bone controller's buttons so stiff? That and shitty bumpers are the only things bothering me. The D-Pad is god tier tho.
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>>284972778
Just turn the controller upside down.
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The N64 controller was best. Analog stick and D-Pad were both positioned so your left finger would rest on a button, A and B could be accessed without reaching, with the C buttons near enough that they could be used as either buttons or camera control.

Only thing I'd change is making the analog stick less rough on the surface.
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>>284970775
Use WiinUSoft and the Toshiba bluetooth stack.
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>>284950327
Because c-sticks are the most resistant to wear and a d-pad without separated buttons is bound to fuck up.
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>>284954332
>mfw you called gamestop or w/e used game outlet you work at, your "office", fucking kek.
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>>284973965
Are you sure that's not just because the C-stick is barely ever used for anything but light camera work?
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>>284971984
>so you can't press left and right or up and down at the same time
yes exactly
go away dirty PCuck
i recognize you
>>
>>284974490
With all the 007: Nightfire and Goldeneye: Rouge Agent I've put my controllers through I'd have to say no.
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>>284948947
>2015
>left thumbstick below the d-pad
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>>284950327
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>>284972778
Do they not make left handed controllers?
Not even fucking madcatz?
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>>284975209

What games benefit from having the left stick up there?
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>>284973334
I love you anon.
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>>284975298
I'M DYING
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>>284975298
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>>284956353
with the C-Stick?
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>>284975209
Better than nintendo who are only just starting to think this weird '2 sticks' craze the kids are on about might not be a fad after all.
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>>284972778
Holy shit that image hurts my eyes.
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>>284975353
Pretty much every game that's not a fighting game or side-scroller.
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>>284972778
Your fault for being born with a sickness
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>>284972940
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>>284954452
>>284954279
It's a lot closer to a regular controller now, just with the lobed sides and the weird thumb stick replacements.

This is a test build so it's not polished and pretty, but the general button placement is there.
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>>284975353
Any game that requires you to use both sticks at the same time. Left stick keeps your thumbs from crashing into each other when for example strafing right while turning left. Unless of course you have the hands of an Asian loli.

You do have man hands don't you anon?
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>>284976045
That still looks uncomfortable as shit.
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>>284968086

It was badass for Phantom Crash.
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>>284975298
>lanyard
why is that so god damned funny?
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>>284948947
>parents have been spouting on and on about memes since this black/blue v white/gold debate

memes were a mistake
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>>284976241
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>>284976045
Glad they realized how fucking stupid those button placements were.
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>all these doug buttons
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>>284950101
DS2
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>>284976725
>laughing at any of them
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>>284976241
according to testers it's the most comfortable controller to hold.
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>>284950101
i loved the gamecube controller
ds4 is great imo
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>>284949356
They spent $50 million dollaroos in order to cheapen the controller.
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>>284977689
Correction, they spent 50 million dollars in order to ensure that their controller would be cheaper to produce so they can make back that 50 million and then some on higher profit margins.
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>>284977874
What did you think I was implying?
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>>284977923
that ur gey lolo
>>
>bought xbone controller on a whim
>finally get around to using it
>love it and my hands don't hurt and cramp up like when using ps controllers for hours or the 360 controller for hours

the shape/size are absolutely perfect. they even put little bumpers under the triggers so when you set it down it doesn't rest on the triggers
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>>284977923
I know that can be inferred from what you said, but I took it as you saying they tried to to do good but failed. Either way, we agree that's what they did, so that's all that matters
>>
I hope someone comes out with a wireless dongle for the Xbone controller at some point.
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>>284978073
The 360 controllers don't rest on the triggers... i actually can't find a controller that rests on it's triggers.
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>>284978505
MS will. This is why they don't use bluetooth. They need the sheckles.

>make Xinput the PC standard
>all PC games use the button labels of the xbox controller
>only way to play wireless is buying another device

Can't wait for my bluetooth dongle to get here in the mail, I will be able to swap between my DS3 and 4 whenever I like.
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>>284978505
>I hope someone comes out with a wireless dongle for the Xbone controller at some point.
>I hope someone comes out with a wireless dongle for the Xbone
>someone comes out with a wireless dongle
>someone comes out
>someone
I sure hope you are talking about a Microsoft official product, like the 360 has/had. The entire reason the 360 controller was as compatible as it was is because of Microsoft forcing devs to use it.
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>>284978742
They didn't force them it was a factor of popularity and any of the wireless dongles you buy now are chink knock offs since MS stopped making the officially one a while ago.

Mayflash was talking about bringing one out for a while but they keep saying they have issues with the wireless protocol of the Xbone gamepad
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>>284977646
Game testers are one of the most retarded motherfuckers to ever exist it.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
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>>284978742
>The entire reason the 360 controller was as compatible as it was is because of Microsoft forcing devs to use it.

The idea behind Xinput is good, the labels being xbox branded is just one of the necessary evils that comes with the territory, I guess. I do think Xinput should have just used the old standard PC labeling (1 2 3 4 etc) when a generic but fully compliant xinput gamepad was connected and then if it was detected as an actual 360 controller it could then use those labels, but that would make more work and assets to make for game devs. So I can live with having the xbox labels, but still I hate how so many PC controllers are NOT automatically seen as xinput/360 controllers. They should all be using it as a standard, god dammit.

One of the logitech PC controllers actually has a switch on the back for raw input or Xinput that is seen by Windows as a 360 controller, so you can flip the switch to raw if you have an old game that you must remap buttons for, and it comes with a program for the mapping as well, so no need for shitty xpadder.
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>>284955178
A shame that those PDP ones for the 360 and PS3 suck hard dick, like the ring around the thumbstick is raised too high and it cuts right into your thumb whenever you move it around.
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>>284976045
Looks like shit.
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>>284975298

>X is Jason
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>>284979049
They have sent those controllers to every kind of gamer.

The shape looks weird, bu that is because of the trackpads.
you hold it like you hold your phone, that is not too firm and it's surprisingly comfy.
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>>284976476
>black/blue vs white/gold debate
I actually thought people were joking when they said it was a big thing on the internet. There I am, playing HW for 2 days without going online and the internet goes full retard. Congraz internet.
>>
>>284979491
>I do think Xinput should have just used the old standard PC labeling (1 2 3 4 etc)

which was always confusing for the entire history of forever, and various controllers would lay them out in different orders.

having a standard works well for the consumer.
>>
>>284979793
>and various controllers would lay them out in different orders.
I said same standard labeling, though. I know different controllers were all willy nilly with the button positions, but I meant just use the same number labeling scheme and make them all the same.
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>>284948947
I feel sorry for you having retard dwarf hands. Im sorry bro.
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Look at all that wrong in the op

DS4 is perfection
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>>284979724
>Valve is STILL on the trackpad kick
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>>284979040
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee417691%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#tr_1_4
u wot?
>>
>>284980529
fucking gorilla sized mits
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>>284980529
>DS4 is perfection
>That pic
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>>284980538
That is a "best practices" guideline list and it is only for "Games for Windows" certification. Nothing was forced about anything.
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>>284980694
They literally slapped 2 sticks on the bottom a controller designed to use the dpad. The default hand position is with your left thumb on the dpad and your right thumb on the face buttons. Then people had to invent the "claw grip" and other shit
>>284980784
If you want your game to be certified games for windows, and you have controller support you are required to support the Xbox 360 controller as default.
>>
>>284948947
i understand all of this except the meme part

is that this image creator's way of deflected objections that they are meme posting or something?

Is it some post-ironic thing I'm not getting?
>>
>>284980529
That looks so god damn tiny or are your hands big?
>>
>>284950696
I wonder how good this would be for other games like DaS for example where you have to take your thumbs off of the thumbsticks to heal, roll, cycle between items etc
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>>284981198
playstation controllers are tiny as shit
>>
>>284980654
>>284980694
Runs in the family, my dad holds a Galaxy Note like most hold iPhone
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>>284980932
2014 irony memefags, not even once.
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>>284981376
I haven't held one since I was like 14, I thought they were kinda regular sized.
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>>284980876
>If you want your game to be certified games for windows
That is what I said. And that doesn't mean shit. It's not a console where you need actual certification and approval to run on the hardware. This is Windows, without the certification you can still be released on Steam or any other platform or even independently and the world keeps turning. Look at all the games on steam without official controller support mentioned, or just "partial" mentioned.
>>
>>284981457
>>284981376
>>284981198
>>284980529
Generally they have been, but the DS4 is actually wider than past controllers, it is not small at all, it is actually wider than the Xbone controller is now. His fucking hands are just giant.
>>
>>284981514
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_Games_for_Windows_titles
yea, none of these titles mattered, oh wait it's when the xbox 360 controller became the default controller of the pc because of all of these games.
I'm sorry you don't understand the adoption of the 360 controller as the default but it's a direct result of games for windows live.
>>
>>284981379
Fucking this.
My phone's screen is bigger than an entire iphone with space to spare, and I still think it's small.

How the hell do people but up with phones that small.
>>
>>284981664
I am not contesting that GFWL is what pushed adoption, I have never said that and was not even this anon: >>284979040

I am >>284980784 and >>284981514. All I said was it was not at all "forced", as in it was not a feature your game had to have to run on Windows.
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>>284981198
>>284981379
Pic related

X360 controller is smaller than ds4
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>>284981809
I use an HTC one M8

i think 5" is about as big as i would want
>>
>>284980529
are you still in pyjama
>>
>>284982493
I was that day, but its an old pic

>>284981975
This was today, im wearing jeans
>>
>>284982018
>>284982623
Also i can type one handed on a nexus 7, its a struggle though, but i doubt most people can hold them one handed
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>>284952505

>A face layout that prohibits certain button combinations from occurring
>A d-pad that's too small to be small to be of any actual use
>Missing 2 buttons
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>>284981975
I don't get it, my hand also occupies almost all my keyboard as well and they are tiny.
>>
>>284982886
oh idunno, i have humongous hands, that might be a bad point of reference though
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>>284983008
Use an unsharpened pencil
>>
>>284983502
And by this he means your dick
>>
>>284983502
How's this
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>>284984021
>>
Nintendo always has the shittiest controls, especially in their handhelds. PSP was shit but PSV fixed it. 3DS XL controls are too small and its hard to find a comfortable way to hold it when anything requires more than basic controls.

Sega has comfy controls, its been a while since I played one but I do tend to agree the d-pad is the best.

Dualshock is ok, I hate the triggers on the DS3. The analogues feel are good for quick movements but I've yet to find an analogue stick that is comfortable holding down for more than a few seconds, placement is debatable as I've never used an xbox controller.

Yet to use a Wii U or DS4 controller.

I've always found using a mouse really comfy and natural but I've never found a comfortable keyboard placement.

Touchpads are fucking shit.
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>>284984240
>Vita Fixed it

Dual analogs is a big improvement though

about that
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>>284985159
Well as in its better than the psp and n3ds at least.
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>>284985332
yeah i agree

they should have made a vita+ or something tho

because vita is too big to be portable, but the controlls are still to small to be comfortable
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