its even worse
they took two short sticks and put them ontop of a giant base.
this is the most retarded thing you can possibly do
they removed the leverage the old sticks had, (which was not really beneficial to begin with) and only kept the awkwardness of its position
beyond fucking dumb
>I don't like the fact that sticks aren't placed symmetrically
You might be autistic
your brain is asymmetric, and controls your hands asymmetrically, thus asymmetric controller is better
I'm holding up my DS4 to the image and the sticks are the exact same size to the ticked drawing. What exactly is the problem?
>using my friends xbone controller
>feels light and cheap as fuck
>THOSE FUCKING BUMPERS WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
the 360 controller was perfect, why they gotta fuck wid it? Also the DS4 is a huge improvement on the DS3. Imo it's the second most comfortable controller I've used after the gamecube.
What controllers you prefer are usually more to do with hand size than anything. If you have little baby hands, you're probably going to have a different opinion than someone that has ogre hands when it comes to controllers.
Aside from that, pasting overused maymays doesn't make your argument more coherent, just makes it look that much lazier. Apply yourself.
Go use an Xbone controller then try using a 360
>thin, non-ergonomic triggers
>wide ass slippery sticks that move as fast as glaciers
>square shaped sides (your hands are at like 90 degrees)
>hard to hit spherical buttons
>THAT FUCKING D-PAD
>terrible guards around the edges of the sticks
>no rumble triggers
>Xbox button right in the middle of everything
>bumpers that are identical to the Xbone's, just lower they're both terrible
I'VE GOT TWO COCONUTS SO WHICH ONE DO I PICK
OP you do realize that all handheld controllers are inherently simplified and inferior, you can't control turn rate because all motions have an upper speed limit
this is why console shit is always third person, so the player with an inferior controller can have some situational awareness
arguing about which handheld controller is best is like arguing about which type of ramen is best
wreckin niggas left right and center who are using mouse + keyboard. It's like you're all being sarcastic when you say m+kb is good, because it's fucking hilariously bad and uncomfortable for gaming
>mfw I beat Zelda:OoT, MM, TP and WW using keyboard.
Archery minigames were hard though
I've been using my one controller daily and the sticks do not ghost walk like the 360 controller would after about a month
Only complaint about the one controller is the bumpers
The ps4 controller is nice if you're a manlet
well it had to be patched by a fan, but I thought KBM was better for dark souls than controller, did I miss something there?
in fact the only argument you could make that KBM was inferior for dark souls, was in fact a software error/limitation, which was the built in turn-rate limit of the camera
and isn't that TPS? I mean just because you use swords and have a (eventually useless) lock on ability, that doesn't mean its not a third person shooter/action game
the point of the sarcasm is that anything that's done with third person and kiddie sticks can be done better with KBM and first person, EVERYTHING
in fact the third person view isn't even the problem, it's the inferior controller, which is my whole point
if i set steam so that I'm playing games as a family account thing, will other people see a link between the account?
ie assume two accounts:
owned by one person
some games were bought on le/v/funpostyman, but now a friend of this person wants to play multiplayer too. the person does not want their real world friends to see a shitposting account, but also doesn't want to buy the game twice just to avoid this issue.
so yeah if i say johnboring65 and le/v/funpostyman are family (they basically are - same person, same house) will other people see this linkage or is it private?
agreed. the sticks have that dumb ring on it, which makes them smaller and less comfortable and they are also too loose. they have a nice smooth range of motion, but they are too loose.
xbox controller s and the 360 controller are the best controllers for modern games.
>anything third person can be done better with KBM
>conveniently ignores MGR/DMC/Bayonetta
Have you ever played a character action game? I can't tell if you're trolling or seriously only play shooters.
I went down to Game for the first time in 2-3 years today, just to feel up the controllers. The PS4 one isn't bad, but I don't like the symmetric sticks and the triggers felt bad. The Xbone controller is just an upgraded of the 360's, with a proper d-pad. I'm getting one of those eventually.
Unless the Steam controller turns out to not suck.
I can't imagine this to be even remotely comfortable.
>mfw some guy brings a ps4 in to my office for repair and the rubber on the analog stick is ripped
This controller is a piece of fucking garbage
I put the bone sticks in the DS4. They're actually a little bit taller.
I did the same thing, and I actually forgot I had until I saw this thread. I don't even remember what the DS4 sticks felt like, I just remember liking them a lot less.
I prefer everything else about it over the Xbone controller, though, which is funny because I loved the 360 pad vs. the DS3.
made me check/10
a good pad must be symmetric
learn that peasants
weapons designer do their best to create symmetric weapon
i let you understand why
>over 85% of the world's top pro gamers trust SCUF®
...of the 10% percent who are "pro gamers" on a console playing with a pad?
How can they blatantly make up bulllshit like that? I've never even heard of this thing?
>Gamecube face buttons
>any Nintendo d-pad before the Wii
>Gamecube analog triggers
>360 digital triggers
>two extra buttons below four main face buttons, (black and white/plus and minus or similar)
>micro USB wired with the option to go wireless like the DS4
>DOUG/FASTER dead center for pause/select
I always wondered why every company makes the d-pad a big button with 4 directions instead of 4 buttons
Xbox still using concave shaped analog sticks, therefor Xbox is still shit.
I vastly prefer dualshock, it feels like it fits in my hands. I feel like im awkwardly grasping bone pads and have to wrestle control out of them.
Well the world dont move,
To the beat of just one tune.
What might be right for you,
Might not be right for some
>Americans are morbidly obese and too stupid to not grab something with the palm of their hand
Every fucking thread
Neither is better than the other.
Dualshock will always be better for fighters, hack n slash, rpg's, etc.
Whereas Xbox will always be better for racers, FPS's, sports...well I guess that's it.
I just realized that the Xbox is only good for dudebros...Weird.
I have a serious question for you guys.
I'll use Dark Souls as an example since it's the one that pops my mind the most.
How the fuck can i run in Dark Souls while rotating the camera without using my index finger? This happens with both PS controls and Xbox.
I hate how the Dualshock 4 is nice as fuck..... EXCEPT FOR THE RUBBER NUBS COMING OFF THE FUCKING ANALOGS.
It is a DREAM to use on the PC, especially with bluetooth for no wire and that god damn touchpad to use as a mouse. But the rubber nubs came off and I got covers for them and they were loose as shit, so I superglued them on. That held them in place, but now it cant form an air tight seal as it's supposed to and the underside of them stick out and it catches the rim of the faceplace around the analog.
DID SONY FIX THE RUBBER YET SO I CAN BUY A GOD DAMN NEW DS4?
The bumpers are shit compared to the 360 and the start and select buttons are not responsive enough, but other than that its pretty fucking solid. I like how the battery pack is actually flush with the back instead of a massive protrusion too.
That's exactly what the concave does, I always seem to have to readjust my thumb. Concave works best on like the 3DS' circle pad since it moves on a flat surface rather than tilting. The convex analog sticks on the PS3 work best and feel more comfortable. I have no clue what the hell happen to PS4 controller though.
I had one for the original xbox that was two pistol grips with the face buttons in them so you didn't have to move any fingers when playing an FPS.
It actually worked alright when you got used to it but once I took a break from using it I had to relearn it again and eventually I just said fuck it
It's better for certain movements. If you are used to it and know how to work with it, it's actually a benefit in MOST situations. As long as the grip is good, it allows for more subtle thumb adjustments on the fly than a convex stick, by far. Just gently release pressure, let it slide a bit to where you want your thumb to be at, then reapply pressure. Convex, you have to pretty much stick to the edge if you want to do this, limiting what you can do.
>notice audiosurf scores go up using a dualshock 3 vs a 360 controller
>realize it's because i am able to not even lift my thumb to make corrections, on the 360 controller, you have to release the stick from time to time to get it comfy again, making you fuck up
>on the 360 controller, you have to release the stick from time to time to get it comfy again, making you fuck up
Do you have retard hands or something or are you constantly producing oils?
Are you talking about this thing? I remember using it for phantom crash and destroying my friends.
>For 2D games, CC Pro
For 2d games with no important diagonal movement: dualshock
Only flaw with that dpad design is diagonals being hell but doable. If your game just has the basic 4 directions, the buttons being separated under the face plate is amazing. it makes it hard to press the wrong (usually diagonals kek) direction and fuck up.
>pacman championship dx with the dualshock dpad
It's a dream.
Why don't any controllers today have analog stick grooves? I liked analog stick grooves. They were good for going straight and stuff.
> Failed abortions still don't understand how to hold the DualShock
At least you still have your giant blob of plastic to clench your filthy ogre hands around.
The only thing nice about the Xbox controllers is that most PC games natively support it and not generic gamepads for some reason.
But you can get around that with some simple setting adjustments.
The problem with using a Dpad as facebuttons is it has a rocker in the middle so you can't press left and right or up and down at the same time. Admittedly you don't do that very often, but it would still feel terrible to play with.
I fixed your argument for you you memespouting faggot.
Go back to reddit.
The N64 controller was best. Analog stick and D-Pad were both positioned so your left finger would rest on a button, A and B could be accessed without reaching, with the C buttons near enough that they could be used as either buttons or camera control.
Only thing I'd change is making the analog stick less rough on the surface.
Because c-sticks are the most resistant to wear and a d-pad without separated buttons is bound to fuck up.
>left thumbstick below the d-pad
It's a lot closer to a regular controller now, just with the lobed sides and the weird thumb stick replacements.
This is a test build so it's not polished and pretty, but the general button placement is there.
Any game that requires you to use both sticks at the same time. Left stick keeps your thumbs from crashing into each other when for example strafing right while turning left. Unless of course you have the hands of an Asian loli.
You do have man hands don't you anon?
>parents have been spouting on and on about memes since this black/blue v white/gold debate
memes were a mistake
They spent $50 million dollaroos in order to cheapen the controller.
Correction, they spent 50 million dollars in order to ensure that their controller would be cheaper to produce so they can make back that 50 million and then some on higher profit margins.
>bought xbone controller on a whim
>finally get around to using it
>love it and my hands don't hurt and cramp up like when using ps controllers for hours or the 360 controller for hours
the shape/size are absolutely perfect. they even put little bumpers under the triggers so when you set it down it doesn't rest on the triggers
I know that can be inferred from what you said, but I took it as you saying they tried to to do good but failed. Either way, we agree that's what they did, so that's all that matters
MS will. This is why they don't use bluetooth. They need the sheckles.
>make Xinput the PC standard
>all PC games use the button labels of the xbox controller
>only way to play wireless is buying another device
Can't wait for my bluetooth dongle to get here in the mail, I will be able to swap between my DS3 and 4 whenever I like.
>I hope someone comes out with a wireless dongle for the Xbone controller at some point.
>I hope someone comes out with a wireless dongle for the Xbone
>someone comes out with a wireless dongle
>someone comes out
I sure hope you are talking about a Microsoft official product, like the 360 has/had. The entire reason the 360 controller was as compatible as it was is because of Microsoft forcing devs to use it.
They didn't force them it was a factor of popularity and any of the wireless dongles you buy now are chink knock offs since MS stopped making the officially one a while ago.
Mayflash was talking about bringing one out for a while but they keep saying they have issues with the wireless protocol of the Xbone gamepad
>The entire reason the 360 controller was as compatible as it was is because of Microsoft forcing devs to use it.
The idea behind Xinput is good, the labels being xbox branded is just one of the necessary evils that comes with the territory, I guess. I do think Xinput should have just used the old standard PC labeling (1 2 3 4 etc) when a generic but fully compliant xinput gamepad was connected and then if it was detected as an actual 360 controller it could then use those labels, but that would make more work and assets to make for game devs. So I can live with having the xbox labels, but still I hate how so many PC controllers are NOT automatically seen as xinput/360 controllers. They should all be using it as a standard, god dammit.
One of the logitech PC controllers actually has a switch on the back for raw input or Xinput that is seen by Windows as a 360 controller, so you can flip the switch to raw if you have an old game that you must remap buttons for, and it comes with a program for the mapping as well, so no need for shitty xpadder.
A shame that those PDP ones for the 360 and PS3 suck hard dick, like the ring around the thumbstick is raised too high and it cuts right into your thumb whenever you move it around.
They have sent those controllers to every kind of gamer.
The shape looks weird, bu that is because of the trackpads.
you hold it like you hold your phone, that is not too firm and it's surprisingly comfy.
>black/blue vs white/gold debate
I actually thought people were joking when they said it was a big thing on the internet. There I am, playing HW for 2 days without going online and the internet goes full retard. Congraz internet.
>I do think Xinput should have just used the old standard PC labeling (1 2 3 4 etc)
which was always confusing for the entire history of forever, and various controllers would lay them out in different orders.
having a standard works well for the consumer.
>and various controllers would lay them out in different orders.
I said same standard labeling, though. I know different controllers were all willy nilly with the button positions, but I meant just use the same number labeling scheme and make them all the same.
Look at all that wrong in the op
DS4 is perfection
They literally slapped 2 sticks on the bottom a controller designed to use the dpad. The default hand position is with your left thumb on the dpad and your right thumb on the face buttons. Then people had to invent the "claw grip" and other shit
If you want your game to be certified games for windows, and you have controller support you are required to support the Xbox 360 controller as default.
i understand all of this except the meme part
is that this image creator's way of deflected objections that they are meme posting or something?
Is it some post-ironic thing I'm not getting?
>If you want your game to be certified games for windows
That is what I said. And that doesn't mean shit. It's not a console where you need actual certification and approval to run on the hardware. This is Windows, without the certification you can still be released on Steam or any other platform or even independently and the world keeps turning. Look at all the games on steam without official controller support mentioned, or just "partial" mentioned.
Generally they have been, but the DS4 is actually wider than past controllers, it is not small at all, it is actually wider than the Xbone controller is now. His fucking hands are just giant.
yea, none of these titles mattered, oh wait it's when the xbox 360 controller became the default controller of the pc because of all of these games.
I'm sorry you don't understand the adoption of the 360 controller as the default but it's a direct result of games for windows live.
I am not contesting that GFWL is what pushed adoption, I have never said that and was not even this anon: >>284979040
I am >>284980784 and >>284981514. All I said was it was not at all "forced", as in it was not a feature your game had to have to run on Windows.
X360 controller is smaller than ds4
Nintendo always has the shittiest controls, especially in their handhelds. PSP was shit but PSV fixed it. 3DS XL controls are too small and its hard to find a comfortable way to hold it when anything requires more than basic controls.
Sega has comfy controls, its been a while since I played one but I do tend to agree the d-pad is the best.
Dualshock is ok, I hate the triggers on the DS3. The analogues feel are good for quick movements but I've yet to find an analogue stick that is comfortable holding down for more than a few seconds, placement is debatable as I've never used an xbox controller.
Yet to use a Wii U or DS4 controller.
I've always found using a mouse really comfy and natural but I've never found a comfortable keyboard placement.
Touchpads are fucking shit.
>Vita Fixed it
Dual analogs is a big improvement though