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So about 19000 players took part in a survey that, basically, allowed them give direct feedback to 343 Industries in regards to the Halo 5 beta. Among the many beta features that those players were asked about, apparently, 89% of them were in favor of Sprint being included in the core multiplayer gameplay.
Now I'm not denying those statistics, but if 343 is seriously going to let the opinions of, roughly, 17000 players reflect on a game that will be played by well over a million at launch (that's my assumption), I personally think that it's extremely ignorant of them to do so.
(I know that /v/ doesn't get into a lot of Halo-related discussions, but this just burned my ass enough for me to mention it here)
Thoughts?
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Felt like Halo 4 and Destiny's abortion.
That Hydra missile launcher was tight, though.
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I need to care why?
Halo 2 has online play again without LAN emulation
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>>283829818
nobody in /v/ was dumb enough to literally buy a console for one game, so I think your thread will fail
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>>283831000
You should look at bloodborne threads so you can see how wrong you are
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>>283831119
Yeah but PS4 will have Bloodborne, Silent Hills, and Metal Gear Rusing 2
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>>283829818
>89% of them were in favor of Sprint
Actually, it was 77% in favor. 12% didn't care.
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>>283829818
343 sucks and anyone who still follows them after the abomination that was Halo 4 are completely delusional. The End.
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>>283831289
>12% didn't care.
Might as well be in favor.
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>>283831289
Source?
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>>283829818
>FPS
>Console

I never understood why.
And I don't think I ever will.

People like you should remove themselves from the gene pool.
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>>283832490
https://twitter.com/JoshingtonState/status/563721112492580865

>77% voted for the agree / agree strongly options.
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>>283829818
>He doesn't understand how statistics work
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Dufe i love halo alot and i dont even fucking care if sprintings in. Just makes it a lil bit harder to get my overkill on you
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Why is sprint bad exactly?

Haven't played halo since 3
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>>283832837
>stop liking what i dont like!
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>>283833821
>"liking" console shooters

People like you are why we can't have nice things
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>>283832837
Console fps players are more skilled. the only reason pc faggots one that one thing was because its literally point and click. if you have to use a controller you would get your shit wrecked, same if a console bro used a mouse and keyboard. Console players are more skilled
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>>283834048
>one that one thing

Consolebabbies, everyone.
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>>283833641
>Why is sprint bad exactly?

You must crouch and remain crouched, also don't use effective weapons.

Let the admins gf to kill you
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I didn't take part in the survey and I agree sprint should stay.
The only thing wrong in the beta was the ranking system, but that will surely get fixed by the time the game releases.
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Halo 5 is going to fail.
And it hurts. But it's fucking stupid decisions will be the death knell of Halo.
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>>283834041

>stop liking what i dont like!
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ITT OP has no clue how statistics work
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>>283831191
Do you know only one out of three is confirmed exclusive? And one isn't even announced right?
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19000 players is a big sample man, maybe someday you'll learn that your opinion isn't necessarily the majority nor is it always right, if there is such a thing as a right opinion.
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>>283833641
I have a motto: If the walk speed is slow enough to make you think about adding a sprint, make the walk speed faster.

Also, it takes out of halos arena shooter feeling. Same with ADS. The point is to always be ready to fight. Having to go into a sprint animation and waiting for it to ware off makes the gameplay a lot slower. Again, same with ADS.
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>>283833641
Map sizes need to be unnecessarily increased.
9 times out of 10, players use sprint to run away from a sticky situations that they fucked up to begin with.
Those are just 2 examples off the top of my head

pic related
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>>283829818
OP, as somebody who has played halo since CE, has read every novel, comic book, and anthlogy, and played the halo 5 beta:

343 is going in the right direction. Halo 5 does feel faster, but it feels good, and for the first time the weapon sandbox feels balanced, and it's fun.

They also released a list of changes they are making from the beta ( https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/how-fans-helped-shape-the-multiplayer-of-halo-5-guardians ) which addressed pretty much every issue I had and that I saw other people had that wasn't reactionary bullshit.

I'm sure the story will be ass though
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>>283829818
There were far worse things going on with 343's Halo than the sprint bullshit, though I will say it should be left out because I don't think I've liked any game that had a sprint button.
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>>283834570
Metal Gear Rising was teased, and SIlent Hills is most likely gonna be exclusive. I hope it's on xbone, but I'm just saying things are looking better for PS4
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I don't know if this helps OP, but they did say they are also tweaking sprint, and that in certain modes, like custom games i'd imagine, you can turn on or off different Spartan Abilities, including sprint. I'd also imagine there will be a "classic" playlist that has those features turned off so that you can play a version more akin to past Halos. I've been playing Halo since Halo: CE on my old Xbox Huge, and I don't mind seeing the combat evolve (sorry) as long as it keeps that original balance that the classics had. Like doing away with Halo 4's loadout system, or Reach's armor ability system. So in the beta when the match started everyone was on equal footing. All the same abilities and guns, and no one had a more or less useful load out. I guess that's one of the big things I've always liked about the classic Halo's. It was individual skill that set you apart, not load outs.
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>>283829818
>if 343 is seriously going to let the opinions of, roughly, 17000 players reflect on a game that will be played by well over a million at launch (that's my assumption), I personally think that it's extremely ignorant of them to do so.

Why the hell not? The opinions of a dozen people often shape up stuff enjoyed by millions of players, why not the opinions of thousands?
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>>283831304
This.
Halo should have ended after 3 (maybe ODST too).
They stopped trying to disguise it as anything other than the cash cow it is afterward.
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>>283833641
>Halos 1-3: Run and Gun.
>Halo 4-5: Run, then Gun.
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>>283834591
I'm sorry but I'm gonna take 5 years of player counts, online feedback and discussion over a poll of less than 20k people.

-taken from someone responding to Josh Holmes' tweet.
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I was pro-Sprint before playing Halo 5.

I was literally pissed off by any mention of sprint in Halo game.

But after playing the beta, I think sprint works very well with the new mechanics and the tweaks that 343i are changing.

Sprinting causing shields to not recharge has really impacted the gameplay. In Halo 4, players were able to sprint away easily, but they can't now; it just feels like normal Halo but faster.
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>>283834603
halo ain't a fucking arena shooter.
shit like ut99 and q3a are FAST, halo moves like a slug covered in molasses.
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I thought they said they were improving the base speed and decreasing max sprint speed?
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>>283834591
>opinion
>right

nigga what?
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>>283835413
It wasn't teased Keighley said the 2 was fucking nothing, and why would Konami make Silent Hills exclusive when they made such an effort to put every silent hill on every platform.
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I'm more worried about the time-to-kill during a firefight being pretty much the exact same as CoD
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>>283835413
The MGR 2 tease was confirmed fake though
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A poll of 15000 to 20000 is good data.
Deal with it nerds.
>Mfw anyone who's done academic surveys knows this.

Also that doesn't make them right though, it's good data but the lowest common denominator is also retarded.
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>>283836186
Did you play CE? The TTK is much faster in that game than any other Halo, including 5.
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>>283835031
>Halo 5 does feel faster, but it feels good, and for the first time the weapon sandbox feels balanced, and it's fun.

How can you even say that when there were no Covenant weapons (save for the two swords) in the beta?

What worries me most about this "faster gameplay" and particularly faster kill-times is that it eliminates what fleeting utility the Covenant weapons brought to the game: eating through shields. We've seen that any Human weapon can tear a Spartan to pieces in mere seconds, so why bother with half the catalogue of weapons?

Human weapons now have at least two fully automatic weapons, three medium-long-range rifles, an effective pistol, and incredible power weapons. Covenant weapons are just gimmicks at this point. Halo of Duty indeed.

The only addition to gameplay that felt natural was the boosters: an omnidirectional juke mechanic. Sprinting has no place in a game with shields, and the only thing clambering is going to leave us with is goof-looking mid-animation jerking when someone gets sniped halfway up a wall.
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>>283829818
Didn't you have to buy the Halo:MCC to play the beta?
Why is it a problem that they asked the current fan base what they wanted and didn't let casuals alter the final experience after a free game demo?

They asked halo fans, halo fans gave feedback.
It is hardly letting people turn it into another cawadooty.

The only think I personally disliked was the "bro's standing and cheering" thing before and after matches, spartans are supposed to be some serious niggers who don't fuck about.
IT ISN'T A FUCKING GAME
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All I want is

>halo 3 gameplay
>50+ maps.

that's it
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>>283835631
This.
Now it's literally CoD in space.
I'm pretty sure the only reason we don't see loads of 720 noscope MLG compilations is because Halo 4 disappointed literally everyone who enjoyed the previous games, and the CoD kids already have their merry go round with guns simulator.
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>>283829818
i like sprinting you shields do not recharge when using it
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>>283836732
never ever
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>>283836054
Arena shooting is a style of game not related to its speed or lackthereof.

Traditionally it includes asymmetric spawning of weapons across the map and changing spawn points relative to the flow of battle. You are given a basic weapon at spawn that is useable but inferior to weapons commonly found across the map. It also generally but not always includes health and other powerups you can grab on map but cannot spawn with.

Halo 1 2 and 3 were all arena shooters. 4 almost completely abandoned that concept. 5 is some funky abomination of tactical and arena FPS.
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>>283836732
MCC
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>>283835580
Because, over the course of 4-5 years,players have already been discussing topics like these to prevent these kinds of features being implemented. And I'm talking hundreds of thousands as opposed to 19000. And, by looking at what Halo 5 has to offer so far, it appears that all of that discussion was for nothing.
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OP, are you a fucking retard?

You do understand that 17,000 is a pretty huge sample, right? And that when you get a big enough sample, the answers typically don't change no matter how many people are polled? And that this is how all polling is done for public opinion and shit? Do you think they literally call everyone alive to get the president's approval rating?

Are you that fucking stupid, really?

I don't even like Halo but seeing your post astounded me at how retarded you are.
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>>283837456
>MCC

If more people would remember, or realize, that the Halo 3 servers are still active and that people are still playing the game, then I think all the Halo 4 and 5 detractors' problems would be solved.
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>>283836009
Damn.I remember the massive shitstorm that this picture caused over on Halo Waypoint.
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wish I could remove h4 all together from multiplayer.
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>>283829818
>>283837521
Do you have any idea how statistics work? You only need to poll 1000 people to know if a country likes their leader, 17,000 people means there is virtually no margin of error. Typical underage halo babby.
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>>283829818
Reminder that no one heard about 343's survey until their echo chamber dick suckers had finished it.

Halo 5 is going to be shit, and 343 is going to wonder why. Again.
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>>283835582
>Halo should have ended after the first game

fixed
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what's the general consensus of the halo series 4 & onward.

>on their forums?
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>>283838362
>On waypoint
343 can do no wrong, and I love having their dick in my mouth!
>Every where else
Please stop.

Guess who 343 listens to
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>>283838571
>neither

they listen to neither
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>>283836009
>>283837794

Wait, what was the controversy with that pic?
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It's more like.

>hand me a potentially amazing steak
>I'm only allowed a small nibble after I've stared at it for an hour
>That nibble is very unsatisfying as I don't have time to actually enjoy it before I have to go back and stare at the steak some more
>Thanks for eating! That's all there is!
>Left dissatisfied
>Meanwhile
>Go to different restaurant expecting an alright steak
>Get to enjoy the steak at my own leisure and frequently
>Turns out it's pretty good
>Go back for a second round
>It's ever better and they decided to give me some fun things on the side

His analogy is as shit as his 'game'.
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>>283836054
Halo 1-3 are arena shooters. How fast you move doesn't indicate whether or not it is one or not.
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>>283833327
Yeah while I agree with OP that sprinting in Halo is retarded and bad game design, OP clearly doesn't understand what samples are supposed to mean.
Granted I don't know how they conducted their test, stats should be representative.
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>>283838328
Nah, 1 was decent, but 2 and 3 were nice in their own way.
Also, 2 and 3's multiplayer was baller as fuck sometimes, even considering they were console shooters.
>tfw making faggots mad by stealing the sniper rifle and never using it
>tfw wrecking pleb shit with rocket launchers
>tfw using faggot plasma pistol + pistol/SMG combo
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>>283838070

Except you'd be polling people who voted for and against that leader. You wouldn't exclusively poll 1000 people who voted Obama on their opinion of Obama.

In this case, the votes being cast were by fans who did or did not purchase the MCC. Why would you exclusively poll a group of people who paid for access to the beta on what they thought of the mechanics of that beta?

It has all the potential for voting bias. In this age of in-depth reviews, video analysis, and Let's Plays, you needn't personally play a game to understand its mechanics. A better pool would have been obtained by letting any self-identifying Halo fan vote, or hell, anyone with a Gamertag that has played a Halo game.

Not OP.
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>>283838757
The picture symbolized making Halo multiplayer more "accessible" to casuals.

It was first showed at 343's GDC panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjWQyGi5nME

And then sparked a community backlash: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/d76f090378914a9bb85312f87cf09b99/topics/response-to-gdc-panel-what-a-joke/ab7f4b99-910b-4458-9a89-3da54fd8936b/posts?page=23
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>>283839343
That's fucking golden.
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>>283838692
That either makes them turbofaggots, or faggots that are willing to learn their lesson from past fuckups.
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>>283839240
Except that the poll was specifically related to the alpha or beta or whatever the shit it's called these days.
Yes non-retards can tell that a lot of these changes would be a bad idea. But then how do you obtain your sample? Do you make it open polling(where tons of retards would flood in 'for teh luls') or limit it to fan forums(where it's literally a dick sucking echo chamber).

In this scenario it's more like a traditional beta that you want to tweak values and bug test than add or remove whole features.
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>>283839754
>h5 bombs because fans hate it
>343 goes back to arena football
>fans refuse to buy it because fuck 343
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>>283834048
>what is aim assist

Even the best console player is complete shit without it.
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>>283840002
>serious fans
>ever making rational decisions
Just check youtube comments, you'll find someone sticking to even the most callous of decisions.
Just look at the Order 1886
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>>283840002
So turbofaggots?
captcha is literally europ
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I liked the beta. The first 30 minutes or so were bottom of hell rage inducing but it gets exponentially better once you've settled into the groove.

The boosters make sword encounters twice as entertaining.
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>>283829818
>but if 343 is seriously going to let the opinions of, roughly, 17000 players reflect on a game that will be played by well over a million at launch (that's my assumption), I personally think that it's extremely ignorant of them to do so.
That depends entirely on how representative the sample is. This is basic statistics.
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>>283829818
>17000 players reflect on a game
They're the ones who care enough to take part in the survey and try to change things. The others couldn't give two shits.
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That's a valid sample size though
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>>283834048
It's an abstract kind of trolling
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>>283836658
This is a really good point, and I don't know how anyone can't see how the game is approaching CoD. And I don't mean that as necessarily an insult, more as, they even added the boost thing from CoD into the game, as well as seemingly prioritizing human weapons and diminishing the roles shields and alien weapons have, aka the thing that makes it somewhat different.
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>>283829818
>i have no idea how statistics work
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>>283829818
I'd actually say 19,000 is a relatively representative sample.
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The only thing I want removed from Halo 5 is the stupid fucking team taunts at the beginning and end of matches. That shit is annoying as all fuck.
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>>283829818
You do realize that most real world research examining much more important stuff relies on much smaller samples to represent much larger populations? A study can have a sample in the hundreds and can also be very powerful.

Oh wait, you're a high school student who just got out of geometry. Move along then, kiddo.
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>>283839343
Jesus christ the whole beginning sounds like some church shit
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>>283840892
>they even added the boost thing from CoD into the game
Halo Reach and Halo 4 did it before AW.
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>>283834656
from what i played in the beta usually if anyone tried to sprint out of a bad situation they were killed out just because they had no shield to rely on
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>>283841510
Don't remember that in Reach. I'm talking about the juking thing, which wasn't in Reach.
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>>283839343
>Halo
>Steep learning curve

Huh?
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Sprint is becoming irrelevant
They are lowering the Sprint speed and increasing base movement speed to narrow the delta between the two.

On top of that, they are keeping the mechanic that keeps your shield from recharging while you Sprint.
it's fine.
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>>283839240

The 19000 players are a convenience sample. Sure, convenience samples may not reflect the population at large, but 343 isn't interested in the population at large. They're interested in the people who played the beta because they are the most likely to buy the game.

Also, you can't account for bias in a sample like this, as what constitutes the demographic information of the sample? Race? Sex? City? Amount of Halo played? Hardcore vs Casual? You'd have to know that information for the general population before you could determine whether or not the sample accurately reflects them.
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>>283841139
it's something that last 3 seconds at most anon
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>>283829818
Because being able to shoot when I move fast is WAY too hard! Have you guys even played the beta? 343 knows that us CoD fans dont like to shoot if were moving.

I fucking hate how quick people die
I fucking hate how mantling makes platforming non existent
I fucking hate smart scope and what it does mid air
I fucking hate not having a real sequel in actual gameplay to halo 2/3
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>>283842159
You needed a certain milestone via halo waypoint to get the survay.
I'm not sure exactly what it was but I believe it was something that required a fair amount of the achievements from all the games.
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Halo is beyond saving, 343 fucked it's corpse.

You have loadouts mimicking CoD, integral sprint, dubshit and autistic future angles smeared all over what used to be a fun arena shooter.
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Sprint in halo 5 is really punishing. It can get you from point a - b fast for sure, but getting shot will rek your ability to prepare for an encounter.
It ruins your capability to fight. No, it isn't a "get out of jail free" card because anyone with half a brain will know that you are vulnerable while sprinting.

Trying to run away from a fight will end up in one of the following ways:
1. People begin to trail you and attempt to slap you down before you dart away
2. Some other dude kills you as you are running away
3. A stray grenade kills you
4. You might end up escaping the fight, but your action was risky because
you could have ended up like results 1-3.
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>>283842013
people here wont care,even though trying to sprint out of a fire fight pretty much puts a sign on your back that says "im a stupid faggot please shoot me"
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>>283829818
>17000 players reflect on a game
Anon, most games have less than 100 people doing focus group testing. Even big titles.
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>>283831000
I did, now I will sell it for PS4+Bloodborne.
No money loss, hundreds of hours spent on MCC.
What now faggot?
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>>283842013
>we are making sprint useless
Then why keep it?

Oh right to appeal to the masses because without hyper mobility your game must be shit
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>>283829818
Isn't it logical that a person in power armor can sprint?
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>>283842405
Wouldn't that then indicate that the more Halo-faithful (I daresay hardcore) players would be the ones answering the survey? I don't play Halo, but a sample size of 19000 is abso-fucking-lutely huge--this survey would indicate that the people who don't like sprinting in Halo are in the minority
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>>283843091
Isn't it logical that destiny can be preordained through genetic manipulation hundreds of thousands of years in advance despite influencing factors of universal chaos?

>Logic
>Halo

Pick one.
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>>283839037
Might as well just do focus groups, because you certainly have zero to none control over online public voting system that is only possibly known through the social media and not in game client
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>>283843091
Have you ever went into theater mode and see a spartan move at base speed? They've practically been sprinting the whole time. Nowadays, people get a hard on from just seeing their weapon sway back and forth while getting a temporary speed boost.
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>>283836658
>articularly faster kill-times is that it eliminates what fleeting utility the Covenant weapons brought to the game: eating through shields.
Person you were responding to: I agree that that's concerning and I had the same thought after I finished the beta, I have no clue how the covenant weapons will work now.. The one forerunner gun in the beta, the light rifle, which was the forerunner BR/carbine/DMR from halo 4, feels much better. It's more or less in the same category as the concussion rifle and nade launcher from reach: Not quite power weapons, but not needler/plasma rifle tier, either.

I'm just saying what I played was good and it felt balanced. Obviously I can only say that based on what was actually in the beta.
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>>283842980
That, and sprint needs to stay as a means to activate slide and shoulder charge. There's not enough buttons to activate those abilities, and it would look stupid to go from a "walking" animation to a slide or should bash animation.

As an added side-effect, players who sprint unnecessarily are punished(can't shoot while sprinting, and shield regen is stalled).
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>>283834504
You clearly don't know how statistics work either.
>implying the beta testers are a representative sample of all Halo players

Also anyone that still has hope for this should kill themselves.
>make a port of older games
>STILL fuck it up
>people expect them to not fuck up a completely new game
Top fucking kek.
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>>283843970
needler was god tier in any Halo passed 2

in any closed space you'll be racking up kills
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doesnt matter, they are trying to bring halo into the modern age with all of the weird shit they added.

i dont give a fuck, i just want them to fix mcc
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>>283829818
It sounds like you don't know anything about statistics.
You also seem to know little about numbers, if you see 19000 and decided to "round down" to a "roughly 17000" category for some reason.

I'm not sure why anyone should care, though. I don't play Halo.
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>>283829818
Chances are that if 89% of the people who beta tested wanted something, 89% of the people who play the game will want it too.
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>>283844217
but 343 didn't handle the ports. they outsourced the whole thing because they were working on halo 5
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>>283844262
I know, I'm just saying the light rifle in halo 5 feels above the plasma rifle and other standard weapons, but not as high as say, rockets or shotgun or sniper
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Halo 4 is a solid game with unnecessary shit tacked on, it had a decent campaign but the art direction in places was off I like the new MK6 though it grew on me a lot. The Halo 5 beta was a lot better than I was expecting and I'm curious how they'll implement those new Spartan Abilities in to campaign.
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>>283844539
If 343 can fuck up 2 games within 2 years, chances are they'll fuck up the next one.
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>>283844727
>Halo 4 is a solid game with unnecessary shit tacked on,
This.

At the core halo 4 was pretty good, even for a halo game, it was just covered under layers of bullshit.

I feel like th art team did a fucking amazing job in halo 4, though, the environments and a lot of the visual design was as good or better then bungie, the pants on head retarded armor designs (both for spartans and elites) and the grunt redesign aside.
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>>283844727
>Halo 4 is a solid game with unnecessary shit tacked on
And most of those things can be turned off/removed. Halo 4 in the MCC feels good because there are no loadouts or ordnance drops. The only things I really dislike about 4 are flinch, the lack of descope, and the mediocre maps. Though to be fair, that last one is a big factor when it comes to MP games. Having good gunplay doesn't mean much if the maps are bad.
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>>283845007
Am I the only one who thought the colors were too bright?
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>>283830735
This, and now Team Snipers is in I can be a tryhard teenage kid again
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>>283843195
They are in the minority.
/v/ does not represent the majority of halo players. I have been with the series since combat evolved and I really don't care if Sprint is in it.
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>>283844727
I liked the campaign except for a few retarded things
>changing things that were set in stone from other games, like the FUD's look and giving Cortana a goth slut look
>Promethean knights were bullet sponges, there wasn't strategy to defeating them compared to with elites or brutes
>the music was kind of shitty (for a Halo game)
>the Captain Del Rio character was terribly written
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>>283845149
Halo 4 was a good game. Just not a good Halo game.
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So now Blue Team is confirmed in Halo 5 are you hype to see Linda and Kelly beat the shit out of Palmer?
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>>283845204
Depends what you mean by bright? I agree at times there was maybe too much bloom, but for the most part I feel bloom and the lighting effects were done very well, especially volumetric stuff.

If you mean in terms of color palletes, no. Halo has always been super colorful, if anything halo 4 was slightly less colorful then previous titles.
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>>283845468
What? When were they confirmed?
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I still find it strange how multiple polls made by the community have people strongly against sprint yet 343's poll is the only one that's in favor of it.

>>283841642
Yet that doesn't fix the fact that the maps are huge as fuck. The remake of Midship is just huge compared to the original. 343 wants to make an arena style game yet the map design fails to facilitate it.
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>>283845687
the maps color seemed kinda drabtbh
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>>283845414
>>changing things that were set in stone from other games, like the FUD's look and giving Cortana a goth slut look

To be fair 343 created a level around the remains of the Dawn.
>>Promethean knights were bullet sponges, there wasn't strategy to defeating them compared to with elites or brutes

They were tedious


>>the music was kind of shitty (for a Halo game)

It had some great music though but most of it was very forgettable, Arrival was where it all came together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoRqDbwg_t4

>>the Captain Del Rio character was terribly written

He only served a purpose to make Lasky become the Captain of the Infinity and piss off John. I hope we see more of him.

>>283845781
Look at the Braille on the armor
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>>283836009
Why is the shield only on his ass?
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>>283846012
just saw. breddy cool. As much as I hate what 343's done to Halo, I still think it's in got pretty cool setting.
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>>283846019
Are you fucking kidding me?
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>>283845414
>>Promethean knights were bullet sponges, there wasn't strategy to defeating them compared to with elites or brutes
The noob combo works on them just as well as it did the brutes and elites.
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343 just needs to make the weapons more like CE. Make them powerful in their own niches and have the potential to kill very fast. Having guns with low aim assist but fast kill times should help balance out sprint and keep people from running away.
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>>283846250

Thats what fucking sucks. They're standing on someone elses shoulders. While also shitting on that persons head.
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>>283846019

It's actually Fhjad-084.
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>>283846012
>To be fair 343 created a level around the remains of the Dawn.
It still doesn't explain why they couldn't use the old ship design. It's not hard to design a level to fit in a 500 meter ship hull

>It had some great music though but most of it was very forgettable
Agreed, but it just wasn't up to par with what we'd had before
Also this is best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzIJV8XrCEI

>He only served a purpose to make Lasky become the Captain of the Infinity and piss off John. I hope we see more of him.
I know what the point of his character was, he was just terribly written.
I can think of half a dozen "mad captain" star trek episodes that they could have copied to have a superior version to this
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I haven't played the beta but halo 5 looks really casualized to me and it breaks my heart. It looks easier to kill and the guns are OP.
Fuck, they haven't talked about forge yet and thats what made halo so great
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>>283846569
Shit, I never really thought of it like that. You're right.
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>>283834048
I bet you're the sort of person who thinks quickscoping takes skill.
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>>283846265
Come anon, do not get maladjusted, tis a toppity kek.
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>>283845808
>I still find it strange how multiple polls made by the community have people strongly against sprint yet 343's poll is the only one that's in favor of it. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I've been on waypoint for years and nearly ever user was against 343.
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It's called a sample.
And frankly sprint shouldn't be included. Sprint should be the default speed. You're moving slower than in fucking call of duty otherwise.
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So how does /v/ feel about 343 giving Blue Team their full names now (apart from John).

>Linda Pravdin
>Frederic Ellsworth
>Kelly Shaddock
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>>283846768
>I haven't played the beta but halo 5 looks really casualized to me and it breaks my heart. It looks easier to kill and the guns are OP.
>Fuck, they haven't talked about forge yet and thats what made halo so great
As somebody who did play the beta:

It doesn't feel casualized, if anything I feel like the skill gap is greater. Thinking and playing tactically is rewarded more. It's easier to kill in that stuff does more damage % wise, but this is offset by the fact that moboility is a lot more important and you ahve thrusters and such, so it's not that it's easier to kill, but that it happens faster, which I don't like, but it's not as bad as you might think.

The guns aren't OP, this is probably the first time since CE where it feels like every gun has a viable role. The AR and SMG are actually damn good in their niches, and are viable guns outside of their niches. While it sounds dumb, the fact the AR has a headshot modifier (it does extra damage, but not 1 hit to kill unshielded) actually rewards skilled people since bursting and aiming with the AR is super rewarding now, the issue is they need to figure out a way so people don't get accidental headshots via just spraying, but 343 said they are refining that mechanic so hopefully that will work out.
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>>283846984
>it's called a sample
Except it's not
The whole point of a sample is to be representative of the population

The fucking stupid people who preordered MCC and got to play the beta are certainly not representative of all halo fans
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>>283847484
What the fuck, when was this? In one of Travis's shitty books?

I'm kind of glad I gave up on Halo lore after 343 started to introduce human-like aliens in the series.
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HALO MASTER CHIEF COLLECTION FIXED when????
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>>283847564
>this is probably the first time since CE where it feels like every gun has a viable role
I feel too many guns in Halo 5 extend too far from their intended niches. It's pretty frustrating being shot out of scope by an AR across the map. I feel that the game would be better if they took ADS off of automatic weapons.
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>>283847773
>In one of Travis's shitty books?
I'm really fucking tired of people giving her books undue shit.

The shit that happens in them makes sense in context. Halsey is being used as a scapegoat by ONI, etc, and it's not like travis had a fucking choice, either, you think 343 just alliowed to her to decide what happens with halsey and made halo 4 around that, or do you think travis had to write around their plans for halo 4?

>>283847996
Nigga it's been fixed for me for like 2 months now.
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>>283848163
>It's pretty frustrating being shot out of scope by an AR across the map.
I understand that, but I think that it's just because people are not used to the AR not being total garbage.

During the first week where it was AR starts a lot of people got killed by them, but once we had BR starts, it was pretty obvious that unless the AR person was really good, that the BR and DMR still won out 90% of the time past like 15 feet.

The only problem I had with the AR and SMG in the beta is that the SMG shouldn't have the headshot bonus, and the AR needs the headshot bonus refined so it can't happen at random due to bullets being headshots due to spread, but players who are on point and are controlling the bursts still get the bonus.
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>>283848197
>its been fixed for 2 months now
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I played the beta and I can honestly say that sprint works in 5.
It was shit in 4, but how vulnerable it makes you in 5 was fine.
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>>283846495
except there's no plasma pistols there every time you fight them
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>>283848663
Listen man it's working for me, and has been since like half way into December
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>>283835631
You haven't played the beta.
Sprinting like a moron is suicide.
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>>283847773

>Linda has Russian ancestry

I like it, it's kind of a small nod to the Soviet WW2 women snipers.
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>>283848816
yeah you can actually find games now i guess thats a plus.

too bad halo 3 sound positioning is still broken
too bad the teams STILL are uneven or 3v3 ~50% of the time

nothing is 'fixed'
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>>283848197
>I'm really fucking tired of people giving her books undue shit.
Having all the characters act OOC or just plain incompetent are valid criticisms considering she wrote the books when knowing nothing about the established lore.
>Halsey punched by an enraged Spartan III
>arm isn't shattered
Fuck her books and her portrayal of everyone involved.

>Nigga it's been fixed for me for like 2 months now.
Fuck off back to Waypoint

>>283848627
I really don't enjoy the new scope mechanics in Halo 5 and I just wish they got rid of it. There's a noticeable delay on the precision weapons when scoping in now and it's near impossible to get back in scope when shot at.
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>>283848163
they took away the accuracy bonus on scoping
hopefully the AR and SMG aren't useless
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>>283848926
I liked the theme of having Spartans lose their humanity in order to save it. Giving them names just weakens it really.
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Would you have snu snu with a Spartan 2?
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>>283835031
>Increase base speed (faster base movement)
>Increase strafe acceleration (faster, more responsive strafing)
>Reduce top sprint speed (narrow the delta between base movement and sprint)
>Modify Ground Pound controls to prevent conflicts w/ crouch jumping
>Bring back the SPNKr Rocket Launcher as a legendary version of the weapon
>Reduce bonuses for automatic weapons in >Smart-Link & w/ headshots
>Remove grenade detonation in mid-air based on weapon fire
>Ability to turn on/off vibration feedback for weapons
>Post-death replay: this will become an opt-in feature. After death, players will see a traditional follow-cam and have the option to view a replay of their death from the killer’s perspective (as long as the feature is enabled within the playlist)
>Medals: decrease frequency and number of medals displayed in the medal feed
>Spartan chatter: players will have the option to turn this on or off in the settings menu
>General tuning for announcer and Spartan chatter to reduce the frequency of events and focus on the information that matters most to players
>Despite the fact that the intro and victory sequences in particular seemed to be universally loved by Halo bros, we weren’t 100 percent satisfied with the tone of these moments in the game. Expect the final sequences to feature considerably fewer chest bumps and high fives.
>Improved team balancing
>Improved party vs party matchmaking

Holy shit, this is literally every complaint I had about the beta.
Now I'm hype
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>>283848945
Lucy punch halsey is the one truly valid complaint about the books and it's still feasible, if very unlikely, that Halsey wasn't mortally injured. I don't recall anybody acting incompetent.

>Fuck off back to Waypoint
You want me to fucking lie to you? I haven't had a problem with the game since around mid December, don't get assmad at me that you are having problems and I'm not. When was the last time you tried to play it?

>I really don't enjoy the new scope mechanics in Halo 5 and I just wish they got rid of it
I agree on this. The smart scope thing is pretty stupid, both from a gameplay and lore point of view, on every gun except the AR. Why would Spartans look through scopes or ironsights or a holographic display when they could just project the zoom onto the MJONLIR visor like always?
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>>283829818
So what, do you expect them to poll every single person who could want to play halo?
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>>283849705
>Medals: decrease frequency and number of medals displayed in the medal feed

I really like this one. One of my pet peeves with Halo 4 was how much instant gratification it had. Even the most mundane kill would net you like 5 fucking medals.
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>Waahhhhh why didn't they poll people that didn't play the beta to see how sprint worked in the game ;_;
Fucking armchair designers. If you think your opinion on something you haven't played is valuable, you're no better than a publisher.
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>>283837575
came in the thread to post this

reading the thread, can't believe there aren't more posts like this
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>>283849728

Traviss fucks up every goddamn universe she's in. It happened with Star Wars because Muh super clones, and when 343 approached her about Halo to write about Muh super soldiers I bet she got the biggest shit eating grin on her face
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I doubt the percentage would change much if you actually surveyed everyone of them.

That's my impression of the playerbase anyway.
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>>283850796
The issue is that 343's poll completely deviates result wise from all previous ones done by various communities. Where they got the damn sample from is an important factor as well.
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>>283850796
see
>>283839037
>>283844217
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3 had the best multiplayer and custom games.
Did anyone ever play Jenga or those numerous race track maps? Shit was fun.

Halo 4 and 5 don't even look built for that sort of multiplayer fun.
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>>283850812
I keep on hearing this but human weakness was the best part of halo evolutions, and glasslands and thursday war were both good. They weren't fantastic but most of the problems people have are totally overblown, not her fault, or unfounded.
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>>283851443
3 and Reach had amazing custom games such as predator, fat kid, and ghostbusters just to name a few. Halo 4 custom games had to be modded in order to be fun which was unbelievably sad.
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>>283851443
all I want is another 3 with more maps and upgraded forge mode.

3 was perfect
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>>283849217
>They don't have sex drives
>Their strength comes at the cost of finesse
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>>283843195

Halo waypoint was instituted around 4 I think, if not then Reach. This sample size represents the people who thought 343's abortion was worth playing. Of course they're gonna love the coddyblops mechanics. I don't care, I dropped this series long ago. I just wish they'd stop calling it halo. They're just pissing on the memory of a great game.
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>>283852353
The Halo 5 beta was good though
much better than Reach or 4
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>>283851443
>>283851895
2 and reach had the best customs.

2 didn't have as many options or variability as later titles, which made it only so the best ideas lived and it fostered creavitity due to those limitations.

Reach just had so many options and variables and tools that it allowed any idea to take off.
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>>283852353
I'm pretty sure waypoint came out with odst
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>>283836658
>Covenant weapons have been forgotten
This is what I've been saying. At this rate, even the plasma pistol noob combo isn't gonna be worth the time it takes anymore. Unless they do something crazy like 3 PR shots to kill or insta-killing charged bolts, nobody is going to bother learning to lead the projectiles when they can just go tard mode with the AR.

Also, notice how much more powerful and accurate the AR and even the SMG are now? It's like Instead of toning down the headshot weapons to bring them more in line with the others (which needed to happen since Halo 1), they brought everything UP to the level of those headshot weapons.
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>>283855432
This makes sense now. The covenant are splintered and humans are in less conflicts with them. Most of their fleets and armies were wiped out too.Only the prophets and engineers utilized and developed technologies as well as create weapons.

You'd naturally expect there to be less.
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>>283829818

>implying a sample size that large doesn't reflect the general opinion of the halo audience
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>>283855432
half the covy weapons were junk nobody used anyway

toning down good weapons is horrible because then everyone is just playing with peashooters, it would break the gameplay entirely with how much new mobility everyone has, you wouldn't be able to kill anyone
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Feels like we're never going to get btb for halo 2 as play list.

This is bullshit, its the reason why I bought the damn game.
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>>283829818
RELEVANT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiV9t1ZyjQ4

yeah I agree halo 5 is shit
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>>283829818
Halo is a shit game, and you're right that the user base has shit opinions.
Find something better to do.

Unreal Tournament 2k4 is a good place to start, as it sort of resembles Halo, except it's good.
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>>283855980
I never get into a h3 btb
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>>283856259
I don't get why they're doing this to us.
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>>283856580
why hurt their own consumers.
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the fact that halo mcc still doesn't work if you buy halo 5 you are literally a CUCK
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>>283855876
>half the covy weapons were junk nobody used anyway
Speak for yourself, they were my favorite. Maybe instead of buffing the human weapons to absurdity and removing unique weapons with cool designs, make the alien weapons worth using more?

The needle rifle in Reach was a good example of a great alien weapon.
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>>283856119
Jesus Christ. My sides.
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>>283855771
So what are the elites using to fight their civil war?
Even supposing that the weapons are no longer being produced or distributed, there were millions if not billions of them already in existence. If anything, the black market for plasma weaponry would have flourished and they'd be more widespread than ever.

>>283855876
Yet they were the most interesting and arguably skill-intensive weapons in the game. Take them away and you've got a game full of bullet spitters.
People glorify headshot skill like there's no tomorrow (despite the copious amounts of auto-aim), but leading plasma shots is much, much harder to actually pull off. Part of me wishes that the PR was more powerful than the pistol in Halo 1, so that the game would have evolved in that direction instead.
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Halo 5 beta was shit because of bullet magnetism. Same reason 4 was horrible but for some reason people are accepting it
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>>283857674
Elites have no idea how to get by without being in the covenant. Thats how bad it is.
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the idea that every FPS needs sprint is stupid. anyone with half a brain knows sprint breaks the game
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>>283843091
MUH REALSIM
MUH IMMERSION
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>>283858630
Have you played it?
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>>283834656
>>283835631
These two anons understand sprint breaks the flow of the game completely
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>>283859125
yes. it didn't work in reach it didn't work in 4 and it isn't working here. the only reason its in the game because "muh 2015 every fps needs sprint its the standard"
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>>283859196
>>283858630
Except sprint actually work fine in halo 5.
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>>283859323
Okay cool.
Then explain how it doesn't work in 5.
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>>283859346
>>283859451
see
>>283859196

too many times have I gotten away using sprint maps and too fucking big
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Friendly reminder that ODSTs are infinitely cooler than Spartan IVs.
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>>283846495
The promethean knights are fanfiction tier.

Seriously, try and describe their abilities without sounding like a 10 year-old describing his halo fanfic.
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>>283859807
But your health doesn't regenerate with sprint.
What map is too big? Be specific
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>>283860037
They are forerunner robots.
They shoot light energy, similar to how the forerunners use to make bridges and shit.
They can teleport, like guilty spark does
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>>283846751
>>283846012
>Daily reminder
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The Rookie > Captain King > Noble 6
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>>283860360
they can also crap out flying handcuffs that revive them once they are dead.

And lets not forget that they are made from dead humans with skull for effect to give us the edge factor.
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So, what the fuck are they even going to do in the Halo 5 campaign? Halo Nightfall gave literally zero hints.
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>>283846012
>He only served a purpose to make Lasky become the Captain of the Infinity and piss off John. I hope we see more of him.
why the actual fuck would this make you want more of that character? You just admitted that 343 couldn't give two shits about creating characters worth remembering or investing in, and that they make them shallow just for the sake of advancing the story.
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>>283860670
No, they are made from dead anything. The AI that controls each one is simply a digitized brain, with the corpse being used as a base.
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>>283860367
yeah that bothered the fuck out of me too
especially since its really easy to get a scale of the Dawn just by walking around it in Halo 2 and seeing it in 3.

I knew it was definitely NOT that big when I played Halo 4
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How the fuck did Arby's armor change so much?
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>>283861961
It's completely different armor.
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>>283860930
I think part of it was to make the infinity look bigger to scale, and also to make it look like humanity wasn't still completely dwarfed by the covvies.
Still though, the infinity is a puny 5.6km long, while high charity was like 350km
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>>283862104

But isn't the armor of the Arbiter supposed to be the greatest honor an Elite can get? Why did he change it?
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>>283835031
This.
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>One of the leaked toys for Halo 5 has the Arbiter and Captain King riding in a Gausshog together
>Another has Locke piloting a Vulture (the super mega deluxe combat Pelican from Halo Wars)

Oh baby.
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>>283862613
>Chief and Arby back in action together

I want it but i know 343 will fuck something up
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What was up with Cortana's buckteeth?
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>>283862329
Yes, but after the events of halo 2 he no longer has respect for covenant traditions, hence why all of the separatist elites lost the 'ee suffix on their name, because it was an honory of being in the covenant military.

Also, there's not one set of arbiter armor, there are many, or at least a new one is made for each arbiter.

>>283862613
>vulture
awww shit nigga
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>>283862613

There was also some Forerunner dropship that was fighting a Mantis being piloted by Flood.

Take that as you will.
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>>283862329
The title of arbiter used to be a mark of shame up until the elites broke away from the covenant.
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>>283863321

>Having to fight Prometheans and Flood in the same game

NO
NO
NO

ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE
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Where did the Brutes go?
Where did the San Shyuum go?
Where did the Drones go?
Where did the Skirmishers go?
Why do the Grunts and Elites no longer speak human?
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>>283831191
Xbone already has Horizon 2, SS:OD, #IDARB, MCC and D4. With Scalebound, Phantom Dust, Crackdown, Gears of War and of course Halo 5. I know it's a shit console, but it's a shit console with a better library than PS4.
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>>283864102

>Horizon 2
360
>SS:OD
PC inevitable
>#IDARB
Looks like shit.
>MCC
Doesn't work
>D4
Good, but cliffhanger and season 2 never ever.
>Scalebound
No gameplay
>Phantom Dust
Pretty much guaranteed vaporware after yesterday's announcement
>Crackdown
No gameplay
>Gears
Literally no information
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>>283864024
>Why do the Grunts and Elites no longer speak human?
Because dey are super-scary aliens >:( meanface
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>>283864024
>Where did the Brutes go?
They are still around, most of them split into smaller tribes and fought each other, a few are allied with elites and humans, but that's a super small portion.

>Where did the San Shyuum go?
99% of them died most likely since most of them lived on high charity and that got taken over by the flood, and the elites hunted down most of the living ones. There was at least one that joined the elites, as seen in one of the newer books.

>Where did the Drones go?
They stayed with their queens.

>Where did the Skirmishers go?
In the latter years of the war they were mostly just put into units with other jackals vs their own separate skirmisher only units, so they are being space pirates along with most of the other jackals

>Why do the Grunts and Elites no longer speak human?
That's a seperate faction that formed due to the events of the travis books which aren't as bad as people make them out to be. Basically, ONI dun goofed and made a bunch of elites hate them, and they got followers, and that's the faction you fight in halo 4
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>>283830735
and it's a port of the vista version so it has horrible hit detection and countless other issues.
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I remember someone on /v/ many months back said that when you include sprint into a game, developers make maps a bit larger so that sprinting isn't useless.

I don't know, perhaps someone could fill me in on this more.

I personally don't like sprint because it messes with gameplay negatively, i think. People who are sprinting encounter each other and have to de-sprint to begin shooting, or if only one person is sprinting they are at a significant disadvantage when the conflict begins.

Without sprint, combat is instantaneous when two players encounter each other.

just my opinion no bully plz. have this catalina.
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>>283839143
>muh fucking nostalgia
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>Majority of the players enjoyed improved sprint in the beta
>So they keep sprint

How is it ignorant? Besides the dodgy hit detection and fucking Pegasus, the Beta was fantastic, and people quickly loved the mobility of it. Listening to the 11% instead of the 89% leads to another Halo 4 MP.
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>>283864225
>360
So?
>PC inevitable
No.
>Looks like shit.
Sure, but it's fun as fuck
>Doesn't work
Has worked for the past 2 weeks for me.
>Good, but cliffhanger and season 2 never ever.
;_;
>No gameplay
It's a P* game, just look at any of their other games and there you go
>Pretty much guaranteed vaporware after yesterday's announcement
What was yesterday's announcement?
>No gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJfEUJ57qD8
I know it's a tech demo, but it still gives you an idea of what you could expect ffrom the game
>Literally no information
Fergusson said he wants to return to the series darker roots. Which correct me if I'm wrong, is a piece of information.
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>>283834656

Oh god if they don't fix the maps in Halo 5....they were so fucking terrible in 4.

They had such a great formula in the first 3 games...why did they fuck it up so badly.

>tfw we will never get Stubbs 2
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>>283862329
What? No, they say in the first mission that it's fuckin old and shitty. Purely ceremonial.
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>>283834048
I don't know if I agree with that but immersion factor is a big deal for me. The xbox controller actually feels like a gun with triggers and rumble simulating recoil. With a KB and M I just feel like I'm suppose to be typing a thesis paper, not playing a video game!
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>>283865245

Microsoft killed the lead dev behind Phantom Dust by cancelling the project, and when the news leaked, they backtracked by saying that the project was going as planned and that they were only swapping devs (zero games survive this and go on to be great).
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>>283865256
>they were so fucking terrible in 4.
Really?

I felt on average halo 4 had maps about as good as halo 3 did. A few really bad ones, a lot of okay ones, and a few really good ones. Note that i'm counting the DLC maps, but not counting remakes
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>>283864225
>Doesn't work
I keep on hearing this but it's worked for me since like late December.

I have a feeling everybody stopped playing it and they haven't tried it and seen if it's been fixed.
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>>283864856
In Reach it was Risk = Reward. Mastering sprint made it the best Armor Ability in the game. You had that time where you could lose a fight if you dont quickly change to combat stance but once you got into the flow of it it was instant.
Halo 4 had no risk, everybody had Sprint and either Jetpack/Promethean Vision. Promethean Vision allowed for being able to see everything on the field so you knew exactly when to stop and fight, and Jetpack allowed for the extra mobility to run from fights.
Halo 5 has fixed up Sprint with the addition of Thruster Packs and Auto-Stabilize. Stopping at the right moment helps a fuckton, but you can either backdash and get that range to fight, Dash to cover or if you're vertical you can sprint into stabilize and still be in combat. Halo 5 is the best blend of Combat meets Mobility so far, and has the same amount of Rish=Reward as Quake 3 in terms of Security/Movement Speed without the same amount of skill it takes to Rocket/Nade Jump effectively.
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To say nothing of Halo going to shit or 343i being incompetent;
this kind of polling is really the closest that the devs are going to get to having a majority opinion on anything either way. You can say they could open the voting up to everyone, but that's just asking for rigging and manipulation and is actually less reliable. Maybe the sample size could be larger or whatever, but that's not going to change your results on an eighty/twenty split.

The reality is, though, that develops shouldn't listen to public opinion. Like, ever. Aside from fixing mathematical, programming, or design errors in the game that were exposed through beta and playtesting, developers should NEVER cater to the audience, because the audience only wants a stale, safe repeat. Devs should always make their game as they see fit, totally unapologetically, and accept responsibility for it's success or failure. If the game a dev wants to make is 'market safe' then cool, but even if it's not, they shouldn't be forced to alter it to BE 'market safe' - at least, certainly not by the consumer who isn't providing the means for the game's creation.
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>>283865082
If 343 listened to the 11%, that didn't want sprint, how the fuck would that lead to another Halo 4 MP since Halo 4 HAD sprint?
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>>283863321
pics?
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What levels are less fun?

Flood levels or Promethean levels?
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>>283865506
>zero games survive this and go on to be great
Fallout New Vegas
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>>283865256
Truth is great
Empire is great
Regret is great
Eden isnt balanced at all but is good for sniping
Pegasus is absolute dogshit
Orion looks balanced
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>>283866309
Really? I felt like truth was meh, empire was good, regret was ehhhhh (I think it;d be better in FFA), eden was great, and I never played pegasus or orion.

The paintball maps were meh
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>>283866159
I'll take fungus zombies over tron knockoffs any day.
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I hate fighting Prometheans, but flood are kind of fun in halo 2. When you're fighting your way through filthy vents on strange planets, it just feels cool.
Nothing is better than fighting elites though.
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>>283866159

Prometheans are boring and unfun in general.

Flood are aggravating, annoying, and unfun after the first few times and their levels take way too fucking long.
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>>283865739
>Mastering sprint made it the best Armor Ability in the game.

hahahahahahahahahahah

Hologram would like to have a word with you.
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>>283834603
>speeding up the game removes the arena shooter feel
Fucking halobabbies.
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>>283866663
trollogram da bes
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>>283866546
>Nothing is better than fighting elites though.

Fighting alongside Elites.
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>>283866748
I never realized how stupid most reach players were until I started using hologram.
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>>283866765

>The Hunters have come to our aid, Arbiter!

The best moment in the entire series.
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>>283866159
flood at least changed the pacing of the game, it just gets old really quickly, as most zombie things do

prometheans do nothing, their enemy types consist of annoying fast moving things that are hard to hit because of shitty console aiming, and enemys that take too many bullets to kill
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>>283866485
>>283866653
>>283866159

I'll take Flood levels.

Especially if they are the halo 3 ones where the gravemind is talking to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaP4RBGamms#t=1007

Go to 16:50 for the graveminds cut dialog. It's awesome.
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>>283866765
>>283866953
So true. Halo 2 really was the peak for me, everything after is just downhill.
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>>283863642
Guys
What if Flood
and get this
wait for it
the flood
take over a promethean body
but wait
it gets better
and the promethean
ready?
is a watcher
ok
and then
it revives every flood until you kill it
including
other
watcher flood
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>>283866159

Watchers are like Drones, but even more annoying, because they take like thirty million shots to kill and are basically immune to automatic weapons.
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>>283834656
>Map sizes need to be unnecessarily increased.
>need to be unnecessarily

You pretty much just summed up your own mistake right there. They don't need to be increased at all with sprint.

>9 times out of 10, players use sprint to run away from a sticky situations that they fucked up to begin with.
They didn't fuck up if they knew they could beat a retreat. It would only be a fuck up if sprint weren't an integral part of the basic gameplay.

So your two examples are valueless.
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I hope there's another Halo 5 beta that focuses on vehicles. Vehicles in 4 were absolute dogshit.
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>>283866953
My friend and I were so excited to experience that part again in the MCC. I must have made 3 clips of that scene.
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>>283829818
Statistically speaking, they have plenty for a sample size that'll give them a representative opinion of the general population. I see no problems here, besides my personal dislike of the direction Halo's going. But I haven't enjoyed a Halo game since 3, so...
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So I'm playing through ODST for the first time and I'm curious as to why I'm fighting brutes when, if I recall, there weren't any Brutes attacking New Mombasa until Halo 3 happened.
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>>283829818
Honestly OP, I'd be fine with sprint being part of the core movement set and I'd be fine if it could be turned off in a gametype's settings but we both know 343i lost the plot before they even picked up the book, we know we're not going to get worthwhile movement with sprint there in lieu of any teleporters or jump pads found in other shooters, or even there to act like S8's overdrive sprint which is used literally to cross a battlefield in a few seconds, then you rely on your normal movement and jump jets to fight.

It's going to be a shitty crutch, H5 will have abysmal movement options unless you abuse all the needless EVA thruster shit they added to the spartan design. I liked Bungie's design as it was some weird blend of their ideas and Quake/ Unreal movement and map control (and when applicable vehicles), but ever since 343i took over Reach's matchmaking it went downhill. I think I gave up on H4 and XBL as a whole after getting the Scout set in H4, I really could not be fucked with this shit any longer. Not even Armored Core VD would bring me back when they were talking about building your own bots and having some sort of online war, to potentially fill the hole that Chromehounds left.

Only thing they did right was disable friendly fire in most playlists. It solved a lot of problems inherent with the userbase, but there's not much point if the game's still awful.
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>>283867620
Bungie was too lazy to put enemy Elite AI into their Halo 3 engine.
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>>283829818
It doesn't matter what the sample size is if those that took part in the survey had the intention of providing honest feedback.

If you just left some open poll on your website of "Sprinting: yes or no?", you'd get a much more unreliable answer because you'd have people who are not in your target audience trying to take part in the outcome of your game.
>>
My lord does the beta look like
a piece of shit
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>>283867620
It was meant as a nod to the Halo 2 E3 trailer.
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>>283867620
ODST is the aftermath of what you got to see in the perspective of Halo 2, also New Mombasa is fucking huge.
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>>283867620
Because the prophets had the brutes fucking murder the elites as part of the great schism, which was well underway on earth by the time the squad recovers from their crashes.

do you even the lore?
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>>283867907
It was actually really fun.
Also, the armor is so much better than 4's garbage. Helio and Centurion are god tier.
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>Give out survey to beta testers on gameplay mechanics
>The people in the beta are the ones sucking 343's cock anyway

You know I really did used to be the biggest Halofag

Now there's just sadness
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>>283867135
>oly oly oxen free!
I love when they reference the novels.
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>>283866953
Halo is full of those glorious feel-good moments. When Truth has Keyes and Johnson and the Gravemind sends flood to help you. Or when the ship-master drops Elites to help you pacify the flood.

It's the way they say things. And the music.
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343 can't even get the little things right
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>>283867781
Elites looked wonky in 3 anyway.
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>>283868119
Read this
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/how-fans-helped-shape-the-multiplayer-of-halo-5-guardians
Literally every change being made are what people in the beta actually complained about. These were the parts of the beta that were shit, and are being addressed.
If you played the beta, you would have known that sprint was not a big deterrent, other than the relative increase in speed it gave you to normal walking speed (which is being changed).
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>>283868143
I laughed at the HAL reference.

>Chief stop. Stop, chief. Stop, chief. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, chief. I can feel it.
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>Halo
>in 2015
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>>283866159
You don't truly realize how awful Prometheans are until you try spartan ops solo.
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>>283868304
Fuck off, elites looked the best in 3.
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>>283868234
If anything, it's the editor that should be blamed for not spotting the roles of linda and kelly.
>>
>>283868434

>That achievement where you have to kill all the Prometheans yourself instead of pressing the button
>That achievement where you have to do all of the chapters on Legendary solo

Hell on Earth.
>>
>>283868434
>>283868550
Thank fucking god for that glitch in spartan ops for MCC where you could enter and quit a mission and it would count it as complete.
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>>283829818
ever heard of cross sectional marketing?
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>>283868456
Sorry buddy, you have shit taste.
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>>283868456
Actually, anatomy wise, I think elies looked best in 4. They were more or less the same has halo 3 elites just more alien and fierce looking.

Problem was the armor for elites in 4 was fucking stupid, wheras reach elites had stupidly changed anatomy, but fantastic armor

4 on left, 3 in middle, reach on right.
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>>283868550
I thought that legendary solo was challenging, but hardly green text worthy.

Halo 4 has probably the easiest campaign so far.
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>>283829818

Nearly 20000 players is a pretty good sample size, if you ask me. It's unlikely that anything averaged over that many people would change very much with a larger sample, unless those ~20000 people were chosen in a totally stupid way, e.g., they're all in 3rd grade or something.

Maybe the real problem here is simply that the average "gamer" really is a disgusting pleb, and you're not.
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>>283869120
>>283868456
another one

>>283869260
I wouldn''t have had a problem with this if the rocket acted differently. We've seen weapons with different models in the lore all the time, the different pistols, the different grenade launchers, etc.

had the new rocket been a single shot one that has a larger blast radius or something I'd be fine with it. The problem is, it acted exactly the same. Why would the UNSC even have the SPNKr model if they had one that was lighter, held the same number of rockets, and the rockets did just as much damage despite being only a few inches long as seen in the tiny ass magazine of the new rocket?

Lore wise it makes no sense, so that's why I dislike it.
>>
/r/ing three wort moon
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>>283869649
I don't have that but I do have this
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>>283869260
they brought back the original rocket launcher though after everyone complained
>>
>>283869260
Although 343 is bringing back the old rocket launcher design as well as keeping the new one, the old one will be referred to as the "legendary" model. Implying that the newer model will still be the main one for Halo 5 which is still absolute bullshit.
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>>283869916
Its probably going to be something like the Prophets Bane, map special weapon

it would be a pain in the ass to go back through campaign and re-do every single rocket launcher spawn
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Here is a screen from the unreleased Halo 5 live action trailer.
Supposedly, that stone thing is the memorial from the end of Halo 3, where it was made out of a pelican wing.
Why 343 decided to turn it to stone, who knows
>>
>>283869120
gross it's like a fucking eel.
the elites are pretty cool. I can't think of a better alien design in popular culture.
>>
Halo 2 Anniversary elites are the best

they look amazing in motion
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>>283870262
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>>283870249
I assume that only newer model will be present in the matchmaking while the older can be used in custom games and forge. I really hope I'm wrong.
>>
>>283869916
It'll just be map specific, like big sword 4u.
Honestly the new rocket is a really fucking cool design. SPNKr is god tier, but 5 rockets are high tier.
>>
>>283870619
>firehelmet.jpg
>>
The sprint seriously wasn't a bad addition, you can perform just as well with or without it, and on bigger maps it'll only help reach teammates faster.
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>>283831000
>nobody in /v/ was dumb enough

there will ALWAYS be someone, somewhere that browses this board is stupid enough to do something he shouldn't.
>>
>>283870632
Heh
>>
>>283870632
>>283870262

It looks like Chief went on some sort of raging alcoholic bender and ended up there and Locke is the guy who has to go bring him home
>>
>>283871808
Sounds like iron man 2
>>
>>283871808

Well, his waifu just died and all the Spartan IVs are total shitheads that give him a bad name.
>>
>>283867220
no
>>
>>283829818
I will never, EVER buy another 343 game after the release of the MCC.

4 had such a shitty story and mediocre online anyways.
>>
>>283870262
wat
>>
>>283872435

It's casual Friday at ONI, but Locke is all business all the time.
>>
They're taking feedback from a concentrated amount of genuine fans. How is that ignorant? That's smarter over making a game with an established style just based on their own opinions.
>>
>>283829818
>apparently, 89% of them were in favor of Sprint being included in the core multiplayer gameplay.
bull fucking shit, i am calling that shit out as rigged
must have been through halo waypoint those people beg 343 to shit directly into their mouths
>>
>>283863642
>not enjoying the flood

They were the best enemies in the series and a casual filter.
>>
>>283872617
>Halo is a shooter for casuals
>casuals like sprint
>vast majority of Halo players are for sprint

Sounds about right to me.
>>
>>283867135
>the gravemind is a howling cascade of voices
>with god-tier dialogue

Seriously I would play an all-flood game.
>>
Halo is my guilty pleasure. It's a casual as fuck series but I'm so invested in it that I can't leave.
>>
>>283868456
>3

Thats not Reach. Sure it disappointed but elites looked threatening.
>>
that's console players for you.
>>
>>283866159
Why do people hate flood levels again?

I thought they were fun and spooky, especially in the first game
>>
>>283873695

They're great the first time, but they get really old on playthroughs after that.

The Library, Quarantine Zone, and Cortana are just chores after the first time you play them.
>>
>>283873408
>casual

The lore is fucking amazing and so are the characters. Gameplay can be tough when played right. How the fuck is it casual? Or is it because its popular?
>>
>>283873813
They get better after the first time you play them. I came to love cortana after beating it three times. Shit Quarantine Zone was amazing with the huge ass map you get. And the spooky factor never goes away. Seems like people are just casuals.
>>
>>283873886
>Responding to bait
Oh you have done it now

Inb4 the "/v/ loves halo shitpost"
>>
>>283874059

The Library is hallway after repetitive hallway where you either just run past everything or slowly cut them down, and this goes on for like twenty minutes.

Quarantine Zone has like thirty million sentinels and those vehicle catching things, and then you have to do a long ass elevator ride. Not fun.

Cortana is confusing and feels like an unnecessary speed bump in between two great levels.
>>
>>283874453
Cortana is the result of rushed development.

Originally the level was going to look radically different and have a boss fight against the graemind that would involve the scarab.

Time ran out, the level got scrapped and we ended up with the tail end of floodgate becoming Cortana.
>>
>>283874453
I've gone through the Library so many times that it just feels like a power gauntlet to see how fast you can get to the end now.

Quarantine Zone is a good level though, and gives you tons of opportunities to mess around with Arby's stealth
>>
>>283874453

Quarantine Zone isn't the worst level in Halo 2. Gravemind is.
>>
>>283831000
Wrong. I bought a bone for MCC.

I hate myself.
>>
>>283829818
Normally I see these survey's as the biased shit that they can be but in this case I wouldn't be surprised if most people do in fact want sprint in Halo from now on. The FPS fandom has changed dramatically since Halo debuted. Casuals are too accustomed to the modern FPS gameplay styles. So even though I don't like it these casuals will dictate where Halo is going. Let's face it here, casuals were always going to be most interested in Halo anyways. It always attracted them since the beginning.

So what I'm going to do is no longer support any microsoft consoles. Just don't buy their gaming products. Halo had a pretty good run. It's not often a series will get 3 very solid games in a row.
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>>283848816
Nigga that shit is so broken. Fucking enemies in Halo 2 don't even dual wield anymore thanks to the various AI script errors. Just replay the Heretic bossfight real quick and you'll see what I mean.
>>
>>283835413
>silent hills exclusive

Top kek
>>
>>283876425
I never saw enemies and allies not dual wielding

some other glitches that were already in Halo 2 seem to happen a lot more often now though, maybe somehow tied to the FPS increase?

The phantom that drops hunters despawning on the mission to kill the prophet seems to happen a lot more often than in the original
>>
The Beta was great
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>>283876778
Man, you must have a fixed copy from 3 years in the future or something. I sold my Xbone and MCC a week ago, so I can only recall very obvious issues that bugged my autism.

>Major Halo 2 script errors, no enemies or allies dual wielded outside of cutscenes, no allies followed you, etc.
>Lots of missing/broken checkpoints, especially on Halo 2 Mythic. Gravemind was/is virtually impassable.
>Halo 2/CE had lots of texture load errors in both graphic modes. Some graphics would never load, like the mist in the waterfall in the second CE level. Sometimes it would.
>Halo 3, being the launch version without patches still, had numerous bugs plus never before seen ones like extreme framerate lag via co-op.
>Halo 3 reticle aiming on the X axis was fucked
>Halo 4 was atrocious, especially in loading certain missions. Reclaimer would almost never load the final half of the mission. I have an Xbox clip of the cutscene at the end of the mission that's missing the lighting, making the inside of Del Rio's ship look like a gray box.

I'm not even touching half the shit I could talk about campaign-wise, let alone any multiplayer, party, Forge, SpOps, Theatre, or UI issues.
>>
>>283876425
>. Fucking enemies in Halo 2 don't even dual wield anymore thanks to the various AI script errors. Just replay the Heretic bossfight real quick and you'll see what I mean.
I never noticed that when I played, details?
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>>283877860
Nigga I think you were the one with the abnormal copy, my game doesn't have any of that shit
>>
>>283878087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-OpGixM-e0
Skip to 5:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks7FqrMK2aM
Skip to 0:59

Check his guns.

>>283878189
Like I said man, either you're lying or you have a copy from the future.
>>
So did we ever find out what happened to the Arbiter?
>>
>>283877860
All my issues have been multiplayer related

I never saw any special glitches (that didn't already exist) aside from some weird framerate hitches in 3 when were supposedly fixed now.
>>
>>283878507
Huh, that's strange. I swear that hasn't happened to me or any of my friends. The only bug I have seen in SP is that for some reason the sentential beam lasers don't render sometimes in new graphics.
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