Dark Souls Character Alignments

Lawful Evil for Ornstein?

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>>275063157
Those two would both be lawful evil you mongoloids

>>275064327
Personally I think you need to be chaotic evil to eat people, a lawful evil wouldn't be a cannibal. IMO the 9 alignments don't even cover it, you need at minimum another layer.

Smough would be chaotic lawful evil

>>275064327
How is Smough Lawful Evil? he's basically described as a horrible abomination by everyone/everything that mentions him. Even Frampt considers eating his soul worth just 1 soul.

>>275064687
I think because someone somehow convinced him to guard the door. I mean, if he was truly Chaotic Evil no one would be able to tell him what to do, he wouldn't see the purpose in obeying a command and fuck off to do what he wanted

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Neutral Good masterrace coming thru

>>275064847
This is easy. Neutral evil.

>>275064327
why they even "evil" tho?
Ornstein was protecting the royalty, that was kinda the shit he was appointed to and he did his best doing it
If anything he would be Lawful Good

>>275064847
That makes sense I guess, but I feel like Smough could teeter on the line between both Lawful and Neutral since he's so brutal and just barely obeying those commands. His motivation for guarding also seems to be the fact that he gets to stay Executioner, so it is self-serving.

>Smough is the royal executioner of Anor Londo. He longs to be ranked with the Four Knights, but his cruelty, including using his victim's bone as his food's seasoning, forever denied the position.

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Lawful neutral?

>>275064986
Again, why would you then take such great pleasure in killing people that you put their bone meal in your food? It means you take some kind of catharsis out of killing or in the knowledge of the dead of your enemies, that's not neutral. Neutral Evil is usually for lazy people who'd rather not pick an alignment, but if you force them to, they'll go with evil just because it's easier or something.

I'm no expert on alignments. It'd help if we knew how he was persuaded to guard the door.

>>275064687

Lawful or neutral evil makes sense.

>>275065252
I guess

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>>275064931
I'd think he'd be true neutral. Ya' know, looting bodies as such

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True Bastard

>>275065470

Don't you mean trusty friend?

The one and only!

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Chaotic Neutral

>>275065470
Chaotic Neutral
He's a fucking dick but he does it for his own ends, and he seems to get along with other Firelink Shrine folk after Catacombs.

>>275065469

nigga help me with advice on the catacombs, with advice for life, and also sells some cool suave armor to rekt evil and save the fucking day

he's good inside

he's also ma nigga

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Lawful Good

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>>275065775
Good point, I love his dialogue

CHAOTIC EVIL

>>275065690

All the knights are lawful except for the corrupted Artorias who is chaotic neutral at best because
>muh lore implications regarding humanity.

>>275065860

gwin go home

>>275065775
Only after you've bought some of his shit.
He's not doing it for free but as a service.

>>275065918

Navlaan and Straid are the only ones even worth mentioning from DS2

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>25 replies
>13 posters

OP is going all out guys

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>>275066072
Jester Thomas was kind of cool

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>hi my skeletons, I love you all, you are all my friends
>I love being here with you guys
>oh, an adventurer
>hi adventurer LOL NOPE SWORDS DANCE MOTHERFUCKER
>I love my skeletons


being chaotic neutral is pretty fucking nice

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Lawful Good

;_;

>>275066072

>not Gavlaan
>not Massiveboob Chloanne

>>275066181

I posted like 4 times already
if op tries to bump his thread too much it starts autosaging anyways

>>275065972
He did nothing wrong

>>275065281
It's clear you're not, because that's not what Neutral Evil is.

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>>275066240
>That cutscene that plays if you save Sif in Oolacile before encountering him at Artorias's grave

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>>275066072

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>>275066072
I liked Shalqoir

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>>275066229
It took me a while to notice all the kneeling skeletons outside his fog door. Pretty fucking spooky.

Anyone got the christmas hat version?

>>275066478

P8 and Cr8ton were cool.

>>275066478
Why am I laughing so hard at this image

>>275066240
Brave wolf. Yes, definately Lawful Good.

rip in peace friend ;_;

>>275066240

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5xnWvOLOzM

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>>275066642

>>275066807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_2gQX__TbI

Very good
Very good, indeed

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>>275066807
>when she starts limping and struggling, using the last of her dying strength only wanting to protect the grave of her master and her friend

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>>275066807
>At low health he starts limping
>At extreme low health his attacks cause him to fall over
>Still gets up to defend his master's grave

I can never play this boss fight ever again

>>275067167
>she

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Lawful neutral?

>>275067310
Sif is a female name, Specifically for a goddess

>>275067167
>When she recognises you as her saviour and comrade and still goes to retrieve her weapon, knowing the fight is required by her knights honour

;_______________;

>>275067441

Specifically Thor's bitch.

>>275067441

whatever it takes so you can sleep at night m8

>>275067430
The DLC's were the best part of DSII I hear. Alonne is the closest thing we got to Artorias I hear

>>275067596
But I don't wanna give From more shekels

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>>275067593
>being this scared of vaginas

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Neutral Good?

>>275067676
Which is also the reason I haven't bought them yet either. Now I hear the PS4 version has even more shit

>>275067751

>fapping to wolves
>fapping to male wolves
>trying to justify your taster for dicks on an anonymous image board

>>275067769
Neutral Good scratches the surface but I think it's hard to really place any Dark Souls character as "Good."

In the end even Solaire becomes disillusioned and focuses on his suffering and bleakness. Though you can still summon him to fight Gwyn.

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>>275067596
fume knight raime is like artorias except not the abyss' little bitch.
Hell, power levels raime is physically the strongest in souls. chaotic neutral.

>>275067769
Absolutely.

420 Praise it

>>275066072
But what about Vengarl?

>>275068002
It goes
Iron King > Sunken King > Ivory King
right?

>>275068002

His theme is so fucking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig0G32Ng2lM

>>275068016
420 praise it, sunlight maggot.

they're all neutral because darksouls was in the middle at best 5/10

>>275066072
Vengarl is the best NPC in the game.

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>>275068189
>tfw you put the sunlight maggot on and nothing bad happens to you
>tfw you realize that solaire's brain wasn't chomped on by the maggot, he just was so hellbent on finding his sun that when it was discovered and not what he expected, he goes completely insane

>>275068236

>not pKa 7,5

Come on, man.

>>275068236
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>>275065024

Ornstein would be lawful good

Artorias chaotic good (willing to make deals with demonic monstruosities for the greater good),

Gough strikes me as neutral good.

Too little Ciaran, but since she's Artorias' waifu I'd go for chaotic good too.

>>275068145

There's nothing that makes this track stand out from any of the other typical boss tracks of DS2

>>275068104
Total bro

>>275068386
I wish Ciaran was more important. From basically just put her in the DLC because she was the last of the four and they had to include her.

>>275068386

>Artorias chaotic good (willing to make deals with demonic monstruosities for the greater good)

I think you need to replay the game

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>>275068348
Poor son of a bitch

>>275068145
>not Sir Alonne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPGThfD_GY
wwwwwww

>>275068567
Same, would have loved to get some lore about her and Artorias, and how she came to be the assassin.

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>>275068470
>the huge beat of those drums
>the chanting
>the buildup
I bet you thought pinewheels theme was the best in dark souls 1.

>>275068821
>pinewheel
chuckled

Also, Gwyn's theme is the best boss theme out of all the games.

>>275068574

Before he got raped into insanity the covenant of Artorias says he jumped on his own to make a deal for abysswalking.

>>275068470

You can't seriously say it sounds the same as RRA's, Flexile, Mytha, Nashandra, or even Velstadt's theme.

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>Neutral Good

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>>275068909
holy shit i said pinewheel.
now i have an image of pinwheel surrounded by christmas trees in my head.

>>275068821

Pinwheel's theme at least has a unique sound to it, it's slow an spooky and evokes a voodoo feel and has whispering in the background

Fume knight is just BUM BUM BUM BUM chrous chant BUM BUM BUM chorus chant which is like three quarters of the songs in Ds2

>>275068950
I think they retconned that storyline in the regular game. Everyone THOUGHT he made a contract with the snakes but in reality he just got wrecked by Manus and forcibly turned to the abyss.

Still don't know where the Covenant of Artrorias fits into the new story

>>275069174

Yes, I much prefer [chanting intensifies] like in Dark Souls. There are only like, 5 good songs in each game max. Let's not kid ourselves here. Then again, this is a board that thinks that Dark Souls had a plethora of memorable characters.

>>275068950

That's just the legend surrounding him in the non-DLC present day Souls world, where he made a deal to become a drakrwraith and shit. In the DLC you go back and learn that he fell victim to the abyss, he didn't voluntarily make a pact with it

deepest lore

>>275068950
Yeah. He made the covenant to save Oolacile, but found himself overwhelmed by the Abyss because he had no defence against the dark because of his lack of Humanity. His last desperate action was to save is bestest friend ;_;

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>>275069192
na dude, the reason the specifically sent artorias to oolacile was because he could walk the abyss, brought sif with him, dropped his shield to protect sif, fought manus with just his sword, and got corrupted probably from sheer pain.

>>275069303

I'll agree that most are pretty similar and say that Demon's souls boss tunes were way better. But the chanting of shit like the Gaping Dragon's music or O&S music is just a lot more recognizable than the chanting tunes of DS2

>>275066654
because you are new here

>>275065750

>he seems to get along with other Firelink Shrine folk after Catacombs.

How cuck do you have to be to let that guy alive?

So we all agree that Artoias was the best boss fight in the series right?

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>>275069669
You misspelled Bed of Chaos.

>>275069567

>but the chanting shit of Gaping Dragon and O&S is a lot more recognizable

O and S, yes, but not Gaping Dragon. In fact that's such a ridiculously forgettable boss fight in general. Next people will start saying Capra Demon had an amazing theme.

>>275069669
>not Mananus without the Pendant
Seriously, I wondered why the fight was so hard before I discovered that thing

>>275069174

Fume Knight's theme at least has a unique sound to it, it's a fiery war chant and evokes a feeling of utmost dread and power because of the gloomy chants and martial drums in the background.

Pinwheel is just "bing bong" 2spookywhisper "bing bong doo doo".

Works both ways :^)

>>275069669

#1 Sir Alonne
#2 False King
#3 Fume Knight
#4 Artorias
#5 Darklurker

in that order.

>>275069792

The beginning is great but then it's just "HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH" high pitched voices.

>>275069792

I don't know how you could forget fighting something as unique as the gaping dragon

If you had played Des before Ds1 he was probably a lot easier but I played through Ds1 blind, offline, and as my first souls game and he took me a good amount of tries to beat

>>275069926

I... agree?

>>275069669
I'm gonna go with O&S because those guys pushed my shit in for so many hours before I finally beat them. Granted it was my first ever souls playthrough and I did it entirely offline (without learning how to summon and running a shit build)

>>275069831

It really doesn't because no other souls song sounds like pinwheel's

Half of them sound like fume knight's

>>275069669
Yeah. I also really liked Manus.

>>275069974

I played DaS first, DeS second and DaS2 third. Gaping Dragon was never hard, in fact, the only difficult bosses with Ornstein and Smough and Gwyn because I didn't know you could parry him in my first playthrough.

>>275070089

What is Flexile Sentry theme

>>275069974
He has a lot of health and is annoying when he gets buffed by the Mage dude.

>>275069974
Das1 was my first souls game and I beat it solo, barely any effort. I didn't even dodgeroll. Just fatly ran away when it came near and went for the legs.

But what I like about Souls is that every single person has a different experience. Some struggle with O&S for weeks, others get them on the first or second try, but then they have an issue with the Four Kings.

I just noticed that pretty much no one you fight in the entire game is actually 'evil'.

Everyone has their purpose for doing things, and usually it is justified.

Demons are evil but they were born from the recreation of the first flame, which wasn't done for any evil reason.

>>275070194

So you're gonna tell me that you beat gaping dragon blind and without phantoms on your first few tries? Cause I'd have to call you a liar

>>275069926
For me its gotta be

#1 Artorias
#2 Manus
#3 Fume Knight
#4 Alonne
#5 Flamelurker/ False King

>>275069926
#1 Artorias
#2 Orenstein and Smough
#3 Kalameet
#4 Manus
#5 False King Allant

Artorias of the Abyss DLC has the best bosses in the series, and is the GOAT DLC of any game ever.

>>275070348

If by that point in the game you're struggling with something as ridiculously slow as Gaping Dragon, I think you've got brain problems.

>>275070348
Not him, but yeah I did that. Gaping isn't too bad.

>>275070348

I beat him on my second try, and my brother beat him on his first, plinking away at it with arrows.

Now Quelaag, on the other hand, ran me to the ground too many times.

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>>275069192
>>275069360

No, the legend is that he won. He was sent there in the first place because he was the abyss fucking walker so who better to do the job?

The ring is still an essential part on beating the game, and nothing directly tell us it was all a ruse. You can't just assume it's retconed when the storyline is shaky enough as it is.

Also fuck this awful captcha.

>>275068110
in terms of quality? yes

>>275070531

I remember my first few attempts at Quelaag I started raging at a friend over steam saying that shit is fucking impossible, and how she never stops attacking or breathing lava

Could beat that spider whore with my eyes closed now

>>275069974
It was funny for me because i played Monster Hunter games a lot before i played any Souls game.
And Gaping, as well as most big Souls monsters are just Monster Hunter bosses turned into slow retards.

>>275070348
Not that guy either and Gaping wasn't difficult for me. In fact the AI barely seemed interested in me. I got hit maybe three times, it seemed like it was too busy running into walls and chilling there. Was quite easy for me.

Before him though, I had huge issues with the Bell Gargoyles and Capra Demon. And right now I'm struggling hard with the Sanctuary Guardian, so.

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>>275070332
Manus/Nashandra is about it

I think you could argue Seathe. Kidnapping people and experimenting on them for your own personal gain certainly isn't on the good or neutral side of things

Lautrec maybe?

>>275070621
Great image. Dumb filename.

>>275069669

Ornstein and Smough man, followed by the Maneaters and Allant (who lose points by being horribly cheesable)

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>>275065918
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>>275068256

There isn't a single memorable NCP in the whole fucking vanilla game, don't you guys even try to pretend otherwise.

>>275070441

>Artorias of the Abyss has the best bosses of the series

You spelled Crown of the Old Iron King wrong.

>>275070795

>vaatividya.jpg

>>275070746

The big thing about the Sanctuary Guardian is how it is absofuckinglutely relentless. The breathing spots in the fight are so few that it's almost guaranteed to get your face ripped off on your first try.

>>275070938
Hey, man, it has blue smelter in it so people are going to say it's cancerous 1/10 garbage, no matter how good the rest was.

>>275070938
Fume was very meh, same with Allant. It gets negative points for cool ranch smelter.

O&S is pretty overrated. It's a huge fucking shit if you try to do it on a low sl character because all the fight's flaws become really really obvious and annoying.

>>275070746

See now people are telling me about how easy Gaping was for them but I beat Capra first try by fleeing towards the only thing I noticed in the room, the stairs, and quickly killing the dogs without much issue. From there I think I ate like one attack and just chipped him down with the battle axe no problem. Now when I fight gaping dragon he's just a tank that repeats his vagina slam and forward crawl but I'll swear when I first fought him I must've gotten unlucky or had stupid positioning cause he would swipe and puke and jump a lot more often

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>>275070872
Who Giant Smith here

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>>275068256
Look at this face. This is the face of a man whose head you can trust to have your back.

he's actually a pretty based Summon for Horsecock Valley.

>>275071003
Yeah, my character is not great at dodging (and neither am I) and the SG just tears through tanking builds. My strategy so far is just holding up my shield right by the fog gate so I can definitely grab my remains after I die. I've mostly gotten its melee patterns down, but even with a thunderplate ring on and the shield of Artorias it's still destroying me with its thunder attacks.

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>>275070872

>quoting a lot of people sharing their favourite NPCs
>No you're wrong they aren't memorable

Lay down the pot from time to time.

>>275070790
Lautrec was doing it for his goddess.
Seath was pretty god damn evil.

And Manus and Nashandra were just spreading the Dark, which isn't really "evil". It's just the course of nature, and its also the "age of man", so that's not really bad.

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>>275070872
they may not have great lore but I remember quite a few of them from sheer personality.

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>>275071197

STRONG I AM

FORGE I CAN

Gough is the best character in the series. Well, it's him and Vengarl i always choose to listen to mostly because i like their voices.

>finishing Ivory King
>holy shit the finals boss of the DLC saga
>might be the last boss we face is years
>fucking comes out of the gates of hell itself
>dat music
>turns out he has a whole 3 normal attacks and 1 special
>all easy to dodge

Biggest disappointment of the DLC by far.

>>275067923
Sif is the only truly good character that stays good, as well as arguably the Fair Lady

>>275071590

I love the Crestfallen Merchants/Laurentius VA, he fits the atmosphere just perfectly

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>>275071334
>And Manus and Nashandra were just spreading the Dark, which isn't really "evil". It's just the course of nature, and its also the "age of man", so that's not really bad.

Manus destroyed Oolacile which resulted in who knows how many deaths and Nashandra manipulated Vendrick into stealing from the giants which resulted in a war that cost hundreds/thousands of lives on either side. After seeing all the men it cost Drangleic to try and hold back the giants, men who had nothing to do with Vendrick's and Nashandra's plan and especially after meeting Captain Drummond, I can't really say Nashandra is anything but in the evil column.

It might be a neutral evil, but I'd still put them in that column

>>275070985
I like it

>>275070872
honestly from DS2, the only NPC that stuck in my mind was Gavlan

>>275069669
I agree, though I would tie it with Thunder and Thighs.

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>>275071793

>>275071614
I feel you. He had such good build up, the arena was awesome and the music was very fitting.

But he was just a glorified pursuer. Seriously.

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>>275070872
Aren't you all forgetting someone?

Mwah hah hah! It is I, Marvellous Chester!

>>275066240

wild animals are True Neutral by nature

Lawful Good: Rhea
Neutral Good: Seigmeyer
Chaotic Good: Logan
Lawful Neutral: Oswald
True Neutral: Domhnall
Chaotic Neutral: Patches
Lawful Evil: Gwyndolin
Neutral Evil: Lautrec
Chaotic Evil: Chester

>>275071618

Not Ornstein? He basically just chills and gets old guarding his his door in Anor Londo while everyone else dies or goes fucking insane (and Smough, who was insane from the begnning)

Also Andre and Ms. Scarface,

>>275072052
DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT SIF LIKE THAT

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>>275071336

Almost every single character revolves around the bearer of the curse except maybe for Pate and Creighton, the only ones that don't travel back to Majula to serve your every whish, and even them were handled very poorly in my opinion, since no matter who you choose to save, both of them lure you into a trap.

>>275071793

Probably because he has a catchphrase and it's probably one of the few affable characters in there.

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>>275064687
>1 soul
Holy shit. I never noticed that. It's the little details like this that make a fucking universe.

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>>275071703
>Ultra greatsword forged from
the soul of the fume knight.
The exile swordsman Raime had the
ability to expunge the black fog,
but chose instead to live alongside it,
in the company of the child of Dark
that haunts this sword.

The power to expunge the black fog, meaning the results of the influence of a child of dark. raime could sense it and could defeat it.
He was on to nashandra.
Vendrick, being the short sighted and selfish king he was, sent velstadt to silence raime, and their "wills clashed".
Raime, defeated and labeled a rebel, went to seek strength, where else to go but the iron kingdom, home of the strongest warrior in the world, Alonne.

I only just recently realized why there is a big elevator and a small elevator in the O&S bossroom. I feel retarded because i played through this game so many times but never really thought about it.

>>275072384
Biggie and Smalls

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>>275069420

According to the huge shroom in Oolacile sanctuary, Artorias didn't stand a chance agains the Abyss because his soul was "too pure".

>>275072508

Humans were the only creatures sorta resistant to the stuff.

>>275071281
How come he is alive and summonable for the dragon fight? Does summoning transcend time for NPCs?

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>>275073145
Yes. It's why you could summon Tarkus even though he was dead. He paved the way and left his sign behind so people could summon him

>>275073145
"The flow of time itself is convoluted, with heroes centuries old phasing in and out.
The very fabric wavers, and relations shift and obscure.
There's no telling how much longer your world and mine will remain in contact.
But, use this,
to summon one another as spirits, cross the gaps between the worlds,
and engage in jolly co-operation!"

So yes, fuck time.

>>275073145
>>275073268
But then how come Solaire stops being summonable?

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>>275072234
thats what i think too. its too plainly obvious when you think about it.

i mean from the start, even before the DLC's, when all we had was his greatshield, you have to think, what in DS2's world would make Vendrick's Left hand man go against him?

When you look at how fucking deep vendrick had to go to stop Nashandra's machinations, you realize that he probably got redpilled hard and was labeled a traitor for going against the queen.

The whole "black fog" bit makes it more apparent. he had the power to eradicate the Dark. He could have exorcized Nadalia if he wanted to. But he gave in instead due to his newfound desire for strength after getting rekt

>>275073396
Because the story is designed after the gameplay. Don't be a Souls lorefag, you'll just drive yourself crazy.

>>275073651
It's hard not to be, they've created such an amazing world and there ARE those little details that surprise you, but then some shit just doesn't make sense at all.

Lawful Good: Gwyn
Good: Solaire
Chaotic Good: Knight Kirk / Kelloggs

Lawful Neutral: Alvina
True Neutral: Dragons
Chaotic Neutral: Nito

Lawful Evil: Manus
Neutral Evil: Primordial Serpents
Chaotic Evil: Seath

>>275073396
When can you not summon him?

>>275073641
What am I looking at exactly

>>275073641
drop your shield.

>>275073396
Probably because Solaire's world and adventure more closely mirror our own as Chosen undead. He is his world's chosen undead, but occasionally crosses over into our world due to timespace being fucked.

When he's in our world he converses with us and leaves his sign so we can summon him from his world to help.

if you don't kill the chaos bug, it posesses him while he's in our world, and so we kill him in our world.

TL;DR time fuckery- but it doesnt mean that all NPC's will be alive and well in their world if they die in ours.

>>275073883
Drop your [spoilers]leggings[/spoilers]

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Why does Vamos have a crown.

>>275074184
Why did his beard have bones?

>>275074032
Use control+s, newshit.

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>still not ported to steamworks

>>275074358
S-soon. I-it'll be this month, they p-p-p-promised!

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>>275074358
namco bandai and their infinite lies.

>>275074284
everyone has a skeleton inside of them

>>275074663
Beards aren't people, doofus.

>>275074746
You probably don't have a beard. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

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>>275074358
>B-b-but it will be ported
>B-b-but it was just ported

God I loved the first Souls even if it had flaws (GFWL) but the second game lacked a LOT the first game had.
And now From shits all over fans because they will eat it anyways.
I haven't bought dlc, I won't buy the "rerelease" of the game for the patch that should be for free.
They even won't export achievements to steam which is fucking cringeworth.

That's the very same situation as with TeamFortress, the fans destroyed the game.

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>>275075298
>the first Souls
>having GFWL

>>275073387
Oh right it pretty clearly spells it out, thanks

>>275072074
>Chaotic Neutral: Patches
He kills people for their suff.

>>275073396
Because he didn't live to pave the way in those examples, he didn't get as far as you to place his summon sign at any time

>>275075730
That was such a shitty boss. It looked amazing, but then it turns out it's just a run to cutscenes.

>>275072074
Change Chester with Patches and it's okay list

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>tfw missed a good Souls thread

>>275076369
>missed
Not even halfway to bump limit, dawg.

>>275076304
no it isnt

>>275076494
how on earth is Patches neutral?
even goddamn Lautrec's more neutral than him

>>275076661
>lautrec
>neutral

>>275076746
Lautrec at least has the excuse of
>muh goddess

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>>275072074
>Neutral Good: Seigmeyer

it still hurts

>>275076746
More than Patches, he helps you, he leaves a summoning sign along Solaire and he never attacks you unless you attack him first. All he did was kill a horribly crippled firekeeper for unknown reasons.
Patches just straight up tries to kill you so he can loot your ass and probably did that for a while before you came along.

>>275069174
Skeleton Lords had the best theme.

>>275063157
Ornstein was just doing his damn job. I'd make him lawful neutral.

>>275077119
>unknown reasons

>>275076192
Have we had a single good gigantic boss in the series so far?
I don't think that type of boss works with the souls combat, from needs to innovate more I think.

Kalameet and sinh don't really count as gigantic, they were pretty small dragons.

>>275077404
Got some theories Vaati?

>>275077410
Ceasless was at at least better than DG.

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>>275071703
>Manus destroyed Oolacile

"They failed me, every last one of them.
They were strong, but saw not the truth.
I am certain that you will prove different."

It can be said that the denizens of Oolacile got ahead of themselves and fucked with Manus too hard, and the Four Kings were possessed and enamored too much with the art of Lifedrain.

Kaathe did nothing wrong 2011-2014.

>>275074284
He made it out of vertebra of all the skellies that annoyed him.

>>275077410
all dragon fights except the huge dragon are fucking cool in ds2, nuts to the haters

>Black Knight Weapons
>no Black Knight Armor
Th-thanks B Team.

>>275077552
There is a reason in the game I thought, He wanted the Firekeeper soul

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fuck katanas

>>275078269
Where did it say that exactly and why would he?

>>275078523
probably just wanted to upgrade his sippy powers from 5 to 10

>>275078821
Then why does he still have it when you kill him?

>>275078928
Couldn't find a firekeeper

>>275078419
I remember the days of Demon Souls PVP
Either you rolled STR and just light weaponed the Cleaver with the SL cheated Talisman of Beats or went Sharp Uchi and Hiltless with Curse Weapon

>>275079000
There's one right there in Anor Londo, just before you invade him.

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>>275079000
>>275079139
Darkmoon Lady ain't puttin up with that shit

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>>275079121
How was fighting flamelurker like?

>>275077552
>>275078523
I do not visit this threads and who the hell is Vaati? That one youtuber, i guess.
Played the game one time offline for the atmosphere and armour. That knight Lautrec seems like a lover hero to me: bearer of the favour of the goddess and his armour has a hands of a goddess hugging him. Based on his words that he "has his time with the firekeeper", her own words that she "is impure" and widespread trope of adventurous knight and common girl trope i assume that it was rape through seducing. It seems pretty obvious for me that he tossed her estus. Than cut her tongue and decided to clean all evidence for sure not to lose favour of the goddess. Sorry for my bad english.

>>275079139
>tfw attack the large-breasted goddess and kill firekeeper

also could just be that he was on his way to upgrade but you attack him right as he goes to do it

>>275062785
smough and ornstein dosnt exist in Dark Souls 1,
smough is most likely dead/undead somewhere, but ornstein is real in Dark Souls 2, gone mad by the abyss.

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>>275079457

No proof stoppit.

>>275079367
He summoned two hombres and was in front of a boss room.

>>275079367
>tfw attack the large-breasted goddess
why would you do such a thing

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>>275079457
>WUTAREUCASUL has invaded your world
>hexer

fun game

>>275079605
lots of proof.

in Dark Souls 1, everything in Anor Londo, including the whole city itself is an illution of what it was before the curse.
Ornstein and Smough are holograms of their former selves.

In Dark Souls 2 you find ''Old Dragonslayer'' which is old Onstein, old grey, corrupt, and using dark magic (dark magic was created by Manus)

>>275079329
Either fight em like a man with no shield or just fight him with the shield. I personally just fought him head on with sword and shield muh knight's honor
Of course, everyone just cheesed him by getting Soul Ray from one of the easier boss's soul and get him stuck behind one of the bones

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>>275079329
>prism stone spam

errytime

>>275079889
all grey*

>>275079727
i wanted to see if the arrows bounce off of them

>>275079893
I've been thinking about getting Demon souls since I already beat Dark Souls.

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>>275079889
>Ornstein and Smough are holograms of their former selves.

No you don't understand, there is no proof. Quite literally there is zero proof to this. You can extrapolate this from what evidence there is, but there is no proof that is my point.

>>275069669
The fight itself isn't the best thing ever but everything else about it sure fucking is.

>>275072052
>wild animals

He was far from wild and clearly more intelligent than your average wolf

>>275080092
While I did enjoy Dark Souls for the lore and all that jazz, Demon's Souls still probably holds a lot more memories for me.

If you're someone like me who goes Jack of all trades builds then you'll enjoy Demon's Souls a lot since the stat requirements aren't high for a lot of spells and miracles later in the game.

man i've really got the itch to play again, I guess I'll do that this weekend. Anyone on ps3 want to start a new character?

>>275073460

So where does Raime's shield come into play with regards to the equipment he used to use? The right hand seems to be his off hand like Artorias. I think its safe to assume he used his big dong sword and a his shield in his right before he was exiled and had to leave it behind. Why do we find the shield where we find it, is it there the brothers clashed?

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>>275080603
see you in two days anon

>>275080603
Eh, why not. Haven't played this shit in years. I think Imma go with my DEX-Mage Knight

>>275080456
>Demon's Souls still probably holds a lot more memories for me.
Did you play it first? I've got the exact same feeling but with the games reversed.

>>275062785
>Chaotic Evil
Heh, I always knew Smough reminded me of myself

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>There will never be a dungeon crawler spin off starring Smough and Yangus developed by both From and Level 5

life is just a pointlessly cruel barrage of noise

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>>275080982

>>275080889
>>275080921
psn: pppfive

add me up for some co-op

>>275074184

Is Vamos retroactively a Gyrm?

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>>275081165

>>275080982
do you have a wicked sense of humor?

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Using the information on http://easydamus.com/alignment.html for reference.

>>275073460
Does anyone think that before being corrupted by the Dark, Raime's armour might have looked like the Faraam set?
Maybe it's just the helmet that's getting me

>>275081578
Probably.

>>275080963
Yeah, I jumped on it before the Dark Souls stuff came out. I don't want to think it's nostalgia but there are more memorably tougher bosses in Demon's Souls I think
>>275081273
Will add ya eventually

How do you make DaS2 fun?

>>275081698
>Bighat
>evil

You wot? He never did anything the slightest bit evil.

And no attacking the player when he went hollowed does not count as he lost his mind.

>>275079889

I wanted to say that Ornstein and Smough can't be illusions because they drop souls. But then I remembered that the rest of the normal enemies were illusions too and they dropped souls even if they weren't unique souls.

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>>275081887
>nerf katanas
>make bosses actually hard
>fix netcode

>>275082083
They dropped personal souls you can make into their weapons though, the other enemies just drop generic souls.

>>275081887
RP as some character

>>275081882
The only difficult bosses in Demon's Souls where Flamelurker and Maneaters.

>>275082193
I was asking how do you actually have fun whilst playing.

>>275082231

Why does that matter? Why is a unique weapon somehow more or less illusory than a level?

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>>275081882
>Will add ya eventually

okeedokee

>>275081882
>but there are more memorably tougher bosses in Demon's Souls I think
Again I have a completely opposite experience, a lot of DeS bosses have some sort of a pretty easy gimmick you have to do to beat them and the ones who don't and you're just supposed to fight straight up like the Penetrator just aren't all that hard.

>>275065281
"Neutral" in this sense refers to how that character feels about the balance between Order and Chaos. A Neutral Evil character will obey or disobey orders, switching between whichever option pushes their own agenda forward. They don't have any sense of loyalty or disloyalty to laws/leaders, they just do whatever will help them fulfill their own desires. Smough obeys Gwyn and his family because it allows him to engage in his murderous habits without any hassle. That's why he's Neutral Evil.

>>275082268
Flamelurker is an absolute nightmare when you start out, Maneaters become more annoying later on as it's not them being tough to kill but they just keep fucking messing with you by flying around. Plus the fucking narrow walkways don't help either.

I guess it's the atmospheric sensation and the fear of falling that make the Maneaters more memoriable

>>275082324
Because Gwyndolin could've just made some sort of a generic soul containing illusion.

>>275081984
>Neutral Evil
>A neutral evil villain does whatever she can get away with. She is out for herself, pure and simple. She sheds no tears for those she kills, whether for profit, sport, or convenience.

Big Hat is a sorcerer who has dedicated himself to the pursuit of knowledge, with everything else being considered by him to be peripheral to that objective after he abandoned his role a teacher.

On reflection, Seath fits the alignment better but Big Hat certainly falls under it too.

>>275082324
Why do you think the level is illusory? The only thing that is an illusion is Gwynevere and maybe the sunlight.

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>>275082287
>cosplay as someone (Thor, Guts, sir Arthur...)
>fight with just your fist
>play dark souls 1

>>275082614
That sounds more like Patches than anyone else

>>275082614
Still not seeing how dedicating yourself to the pursuit of knowledge makes you evil

>>275082481
I agree they did a lot with the gimmicks thing even then, they were fun. In the Dark Souls games, while there may not be gimmicks, some fights were just boring because gimmicks weren't there for me.

>>275082748

A level. Not the level. As in a single stat point.

>>275083018
This.

Big Hat didn't take unwilling victims and torture/disfigure them for science like some kind of Nazi, which Seath did. Saying he's evil is like saying Solaire is evil for worshipping the sun and eventually attacking you if you don't do the maggot thing.

>>275082824
Do people just load stuff in with a trainer when doing cosplays? Because I always get bored since by the time you finally get all your equipment for the cosplay the games almost done.

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>>275082852
Patches was my first choice but I couldn't find a decent piece of art for him.

>>275083018
I've updated it now, I was confusing the sorcerers from Dark Souls to the Magi from the Type Moon universe for some reason.

>>275083232
Either trainer or people spend time farming

>>275083232

I always treat NG+ as my character's actual visit to Lordran. NG is just leveling up properly and getting all the gear.

>>275083196
At worst Big Hat is Lawful Neutral. He's mostly just looking to satisfy his own curiosity, but he also doesn't really seem concerned with helping people around himself. He also doesn't seem too keen on breaking certain ethical standards until he's well on his way into madness. He's probably a True Neutral by the end though, his mind is so broken that he didn't seem capable of higher reasoning.

>>275082594

>>just create a generic soul containing illusion.

You say that like its no big deal. Anyway, if enemies can be illusory and contain souls, then why can't an item? The unique souls that we get that fight could very well be illusions themselves.

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>>275083359

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I have shamed him.

Why did we have to kill him, he did nothing wrong

>>275083049
I prefer just plain fights vs a well designed opponent, the gimmics stuff was kinda surprising and jarring to me because the game is otherwise very atmospheric and subtle, then it's suddenly a Mario level. I also missed more varied attacks from the AI, Flamelurker was just slash, ball of fire, jump.

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>>275083724
>broken covenant
you betrayed the one true skeleton, anon

>>275079889
The Dragonslayers were an entire organization, they all wore the same armor except Ornstein, their leader, who donned a golden version because he was dope. Old Dragonslayer is just some hollowed punk, and a blatant, lazy ripoff of Ornstein for the sake of gameplay.

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>>275078232
They gimped the movesets so much hat using them isn't even fun. The BK Sword is a generic greatsword in DS2.

>>275079972
My favorite part of pvp'ing in dark souls was dropping prism stones on all of my defeated opponents. Sometimes I would have 10+ multicolored stones in the burg. Felt really good throwing that stone on someone after I beat them to have them know "Oh, that's what the stones were there for"

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>>275083712

>>275083763
Well the thing is, Dark Souls, much less Dark Souls II didn't really deliver too strongly in that either. Then the DLC's happen and then we actually got good fights.

I'll still be mad about i-frames needing to be leveled up

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>>275083970
I just use the Channelers trident but this is better

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>>275084002
That's all the patches stuff I got

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>>275083724
Why is Nito so cute? He should be horrifying but when fighting him all I thought was "AWWW, HEAVING FLUFFY SKELLY PILE"

>>275069827
wait, you can use the pendant in that fight?
wtf have i been missing?

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>>275084142
More patches!

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>>275084246
It's the fuzzy black mass that keeps em together. It's made of fatherly love to all us skellytons trapped behind meatbags of blood and hormones

>>275084071
>Well the thing is, Dark Souls, much less Dark Souls II didn't really deliver too strongly in that either.
DaS did, in my opinion, except for a few stinkers, you really felt like you were in a tense battle with whatever you were fighting.

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>>275084341
You can use the pendant to reflect his spells.

Its better to just run up and hit him like a man so he never uses them in the first place.

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>>275084002
Do you have more of these, I've only ever seen these two.

>>275084567
I'm inclined to agree. Everything up to O&S were a bit boring though. Gaping Dragon was a disappointment and people kept complaining Capra Demon when I killed him in my first try.

Seriously, does killing the dogs first and abusing the stairs really not ring to some people?

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>>275084778

>>275084883
I think everybody got the stairs and dogs thing, it's just that it's hard to avoid the initial swing+dog stunlock the second you go through the fog if you haven't git gudded yet.

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>>275085010

>Tarkus fall off a rafter instead of in glorious battle
Man, DS why you gotta be like that.

>>275077410
Does the tower knight or the iron golem count? They were good, but I guess they werent really "gigantic".

>>275085134
Get the iron Gollum to the center

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>>275085126

>>275085134
Maybe he was killed in the Painted World and Priscilla threw his body off the cliff.
His armor doesn't exactly have great poison resistance.

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>>275085253

>>275085049
Fuck.Those.Giant.Trolls

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>>275085357

>>275085253
>>275085126
>>275085010
>>275085357
cheers

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>>275085112
>>275084883
It's obnoxious to get there. Like, more obnoxious than even getting to O&S because you can't just outrun everything if you get fed up of killing all the random shit on the way there.

That plus the pretty much instant-stunlock makes it extremely frustrating

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>>275085457

>>275064931

only truth in this thread

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>>275085565

>>275085351
But how did he get into the Painted World?
>>275085134
>implying Vaati is anything other than a hack

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>>275085684

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>>275085687

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>>275080982

>>275085687
>But how did he get into the Painted World?
Dunno, found the doll somewhere, there's probably a way other than that too, considering the painting has guardians.
I'm just tossing out ideas.

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>>275085814

>>275085687
He is, but there arent many explanations for Tarkus's corpse being there. Its that, or he decided to check out that painting for some reason and got ambushed by the guardians.

>>275070348
I struggled like a bitch with the gargoyles, after that I was getting gud.

by the time I beated Nito, 4kings and seath, I discovered you can summon solaire at the fire centipede boss.

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>Alignments
>On a game where the characters have no personality save for your specific head canon

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>>275085687
Vaati used to be good back when he lived in /dsg/ and before he was popular.

>>275085843
Fuck, no. That implies there's a whole skeleton.