Meleefags can back the fuck off now. This video proves that

/v/'s tourney fags are the only ones complaining.

Basically casuals pretending to be

>only comparing attack animations
This isn't how it works you little shit.

Interesting stuff.

>>263548053
>OP shows objective evidence
>waaaaah it doesn't work that way

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>There are people that think speed of attacks are what tourneyfags mean by "too slow"
>There are tourneyfags on /v/ getting upset by this
>There will never be a Smash thread without shit posting.

Just give it a rest, guys.

>>263548339
Did you even watch the video? Smash 4 is consistently the slowest, except for Pikachu's down b.

No one gives a shit about the 3DS version anyway though.

>>263548339

Do you have any aspirations besides shitposting on /v/ your whole life?

Oh who cares, melee fags are just a whiny irrating very vocal minority, the large sum of buyers don't and will never give a shit and are getting it to have fun.

Let them stamp around in their complain corner for who the fuck cares how long.

>>263547198
>cant tilt without walking
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
HOW DO YOU FUCK UP YOUR GAME THIS FUCKING BAD?

>>263548687
>>263548886
>maybe if I reply to shitposting, I'll win and they'll stop!

You're adding fuel to the fire.

>>263548053
How does this works?

>>263549049
I KNOW RIGHT.
FUCKING DROPPED GG SAMURAI, BUT NO MORE.
FUCKING WALKING? WALKING SERIOUSLY? FUCK ME.

>>263549049
Yes you can, that pikachu just sucks.

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Why are smash conversations always the same?

>>263549212
NIGGER YOU PUT THE GAME INTO A PORTABRU CONSORU THAT HAS THE SHITTIEST FUCKING ANALOG STICK
ITS NOT EVEN A STICK

>>263548053
correct

>>263548687
>No one gives a shit about the 3DS version anyway though
That's why it's projected to sell 6 million on week one in NA right?

>>263549049
I just can't use Mega Man tilts but Dtilt, and I often use the dash attack unintentionally. Fuck this game.

>>263549571
AFTER A F-TILT AND D-TILT YOU'RE "ALLOWED" TO USE U-TILT
FUCKING HELL

Melee sucks. Move on. Imagine if real fighting game fans refused to play new games in the series because they werent exactly the same? Truly, smashfags are the biggest man babies of any fanbase.

Making a youtube video about boycotting certain sites. What should I change about this besides "hello youtube"?

http://pastebin.com/rqRQ9FYt

>>263547198
>melee is literally fastest in everything, except for one in which Brawl is fastest

Wait, this is a troll thread.

>>263548053
>Walking speed
But everyone's the same proportionally so it doesn't matter, and if you want to be a speedy little shit there's equipment.

>>263547198
I might be missing something but isn't the 3DS not the fastest in anything in that video?

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Fighting game babbies don't want anything changed, what else is new?

>Meleefags
OP I really hope you're a troll. All other smash games are babby-tier. Your video only shows ground attack animations, the reason why melee is so quick is because you can cancel attack lag using techniques unique to melee (ie l-cancelling) and because there is more hitstun, which allows you to combo longer. It has nothing to do with the animations.

http://youtu.be/vXgpGBbh5r8?t=14s

Melee wasn't fast because of the game speed alone. It mostly looked fast because you could be buttery smooth and go EXACTLY where you want to without fumbling around jumping too high or running too far or getting stuck in awkward animations for turning around or stopping.

I need to be this buttery smooth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zexwVu-kh-I

>>263550007
Mario is faster in 3ds even than melee

>>263547198
>comparing a 3DS game to two console games
I swear Nintendo fans are so fucking braindead

>>263549417
This. Analog sliders are garbage.

>>263550007
That comparison video gives the wrong impression. Basically on hit the ending frames of a move (i.e. Pikachu sitting on his ass after Thunder) are cancelled/sped up.

>>263550608
>Melee fags complaining about muh advanced techniques.
Everytime.

>>263550608
>>263550631
So those who say smash 4 is too slow are shitposting.
People used exploits to make melee fast.

Re-watch the video. Melee is 2 - 4 frames faster you giant fucking idiot.

Too bad it has the worst roster of the series and looks like shit.

>>263550608
>Ledgehogging
>Ever being acceptable
What a huge autistic faggot.

>>263551016
Those techniques are actually exploits.
Melee was rushed and never got polished

You need to get your eyes and brain checked, OP.

>>263551221
>Worst roster
>Mega Man
>Pac Man
>Little Mac
>Duck Hunt
>Villager

lol keep being mad

>>263551221
Melee? Yeah it had the worst roster.
Such a shame really.

>>263547198
>OP "backs the fuck off" meleefags with a comparison video
>No L-Canceling

I'm not even a decent melee player, but I can tell you know nothing about competitive melee play.

>>263551079

They're not exploits, l-cancelling, wave dashing, and platform cancelling were all purposely programed into the game to make it more interesting for non-babby players. In later games Samurai purposely tried to slow it down because he changed his mind and decided that smash should be only a "party game" for babbies, so he added "features" like random unpredictable tripping in brawl to slow the game down. Also he took out l-cancelling and wavedashing.

>>263547198
While attack animations have a part of it, it's not a huge factor in the game's speed.
If an enemy goes flying each time he's hit and slowly floats back to the stage to reengage with the opponent then it's going to feel slow and boring. So there's more to it, but this is somewhat of a start on a good comparison between game speeds.

>>263551521

>Mega Man
Confirmed for shit in demo
>Pac Man
A character nobody wanted
>Little Mac
Alright
>Duck Hunt
Character no one wanted
>Villager
Fucking lol! Bottom of the barrel shit.

>>263551992
>Confirmed to shit in demo
Stopped reading there. Git gud

>>263551387
Oh I know, it did come out slightly under 3 years after 64.

>>263551858
If you can show me where in the manual or how to video where these exploits are mentioned as "features", then I will concede.

Unless someone manages to fabricate proof of L-canceling being in Smash 4, tourneyfags will continue to bitch.

>>263551992
>A character nobody wanted
More like
>A character I didn't want

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>everyone this buttmad over inane shit and not just playing the game

Why? I haven't played a Smash game since Brawl; got hundreds of hours out of it and enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to Smash 4. Whats everyone's fucking problem?

>>263551264
>getting mad at ledgehogging

wow, I bet you're one of those people that cry and smash their controller every time they get BTFO.

Yea, with its lack of a learning curve and "party-game" randomness, I think smash 4 is gonna be the perfect game for you.

>>263552363
>Wah, a video game doesn't cater to my needs.
Stay mad faggot.

>>263547198
It completely ignores L-Cancelling, dash dancing, wave dashing/landing. It isn't the animations that make Melee faster, its the intricacies in the controls that the game allows you to exploit for faster gameplay.

>>263551221
Even if this is bait I don't know how any Meleefag can ever shit on any of the other Smash game's roster when Melee had a much less characters in its roster, as well as a handful of that small number of characters were clones.

>>263550608
too fast o_O

>>263552467
Ok, but compare them with out your exploits. They're not coming back, get over it.

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>>263552214
Taken from the Smash 64 website. Suck my dick.

>>263552214
"L-cancelling is not present in Brawl for unclear reasons. The most common theory is that, like the removal of wavedashing, L-cancelling's removal was to shift the game's focus away from competitive depth towards casual accessibility. The lack of L-cancelling acts as an indirect nerf to characters that have aerial attacks with heavier landing lag and/or low jumps (most notably Ganondorf).

L-cancelling continues to be absent from Super Smash Bros. 4. "

>no dash dancing (characters slow down when you try and change directions)
>no l cancelling (jumping attacks have lag when you hit the ground)
>also, those videos aren't synced up properly, and in many cases illustrate the point that Brawl attacks are faster.

>>263552707
>o_O
Is this an epic new maymay? I've been seeing it a lot lately.

How long would it take for tourneyfags to dissect the game enough to determine how it compares to melee?

>>263553096
L cancelling was a real feature. Wave dashing was not.

>>263549756
the escapist

>>263552785

even without exploits it didnt account for fall speed or delays. even from casual play you can tell brawl is slower than melee not because of animations.

>>263553142
Watch the fucking video.

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>>263552902
>>263552214
>2014
>People still think L-cancelling is a glitch
jesus

I've been seeing this argument on here since 2007

>>263552304
Everyone is mad because melee was the greatest fighting game ever made, and a professional huge fanbase was growing out of it, and Nintendo chose to kill this fanbase by any means necessary, eventually resorting to making the following games completely devoid of advanced techniques so that only babbies would play.

>>263553185
It doesn't seem like they spend any time doing that. They just say every Smash after Melee is shit because of the lack of L-cancelling and wave dashing and go on about their day until someone calls those things exploits. Then they come back to defend themselves.

>>263551387
>>263552902
retard

>>263553482
I understand making Brawl casual baby shit because it was on the Wii.

Doing the same for Smash 4 has absolutely no reason.

>>263551858
>wave dashing
>purposely programmed
No it wasn't you tool it's a glitch

>>263553181
If you really think you're going to lose to someone because Sakurai leveled the playing field, you're an autistic faggot. We've got 49 characters, customizable movesets, and equipment, it's time to let the L-Canceling and Wavedashing go.

>>263549153
recovery times, animations cancels and momentum conservation

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>>263553482
>everyone is mad
>everyone

>professional huge fanbase
>professional
>huge

>devoid of advanced techniques

>only babbies would play

jesus fucking christ kill yourself

>Meleefags can't be happy with a new game
Street Fighter 4 didn't have parries (well, not exactly) but it's still crazy popular.

Daily reminder that Smash isn't a fighting game and popularity means nothing

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>>263548669
There was never a thread on /v/ that went over 10 post without shitposting.

>>263553793
It is certainly not a glitch. Airdashing diagonally was something programmed into the game, all wavedashing is, is doing it close to the ground so it's more of a slide. This does not break anything, it's just abusing the game mechanics.

>>263553814
Don't make assumptions, faggot. I posted that image because people still have it in their heads that Melee's advanced tech as entirely glitches, which is straight up untrue, yet people continue to act like it is.

>>263552304
You have not played a Smash game since the last one. Make sense.

>>263553482
everyone's feelings, but sakurai does not give a shit

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>>263553185

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBHnNTkzygU

They already have months ago. It's shit in their opinion (and mine as well)

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>>263551992
>Mega Man
A classic video game character, and the second most requested behind Sonic in Brawl.
>Pac-Man
The grandfather of video games. If this faggot weren't made then your shitty PS4 wouldn't have been made either.
>Little Mac
good taste
>Duck Hunt
There to represent the NES Zapper games. Nobody seriously wanted him, but no one hates him. Right?
>Villager
There to represent New Leaf's arrival and to show that Sakurai never stays true to his statements. (See: "I don't think Villager could work" during an interview with him)

Overall rating: 6/66 made me respond

>>263553997
It also didn't have guard meter, custom combos, air blocking, and universal overheads.

>>263553482
>melee was the greatest fighting game ever made

Hahahahaha.

>>263553793
Nigger if you don't shut the fuck up with your ignorant opinions I swear to god I will continue to curse at you over the internet

>>263554201
I'm pretty sure the developers intended standing moves to be done while standing still, not while moving.

>>263553976
>huge

It would've been huge if nintendo supported it. by huge I mean average triple A timeless competitive video game status.

>everyone
By everyone I mean everyone relevant i.e the pros.

>devoid of advanced techniques

YES ENTIRELY. Dacus-ing is shit.

>only babbies would play
Brawl's competitive community practically died within 2 yrs of release

>>263553997
SF4 isn't as good but with Capcom you have no choice other than to suck it down and say thank you

>>263553205
>Wave dashing was not.
Transferring the momentum of a directional airdash into a slide along the ground was intentionally programmed, though. And wavedashing is literally just doing that repeatedly.

>>263554979
As good as what? Third Strike? Alpha 3? Super Turbo?

>still lose all momentum when jumping off a run

top wew

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>>263553793
read >>263552902 the thread >>263552902 you fucking child
>>263552902

>>263555076
The problem with it is the ability to use moves that require you stand still while moving. That is an unintended exploit.

>>263551079
I don't give a shit if I have to exploit or what have you. I wish to move buttery smooth. If I can't do that in Smash 4 I'll just keep playing melee instead.

>>263553997
SF4 added in whole new systems like FADCing.

Brawl just removed things, slowed down the game and added tripping.

>>263555364
Right, but not a glitch.

>>263554957
Man...just...stop
Not even the same Anon, your post is cringe inducing
Melee was rushed, and that's a fact
Just get over it, holy shit

>>263555386
They also made inputs more forgiving and created option selects to make the game brainless.

>>263551858
You just destroyed your argument.
If Sakurai wanted wavedashing and l-canceling he would had kept it.
Melee was an accident, get over it.
You are exploiting bugs.

>>263554560
>Nobody seriously wanted him

Everyone wanted him. Duck Hunt is love.

>>263553997
it's a good thing that at least one game community doesn't just automatically move on to the new game regardless of quality

Meleefags complain about all the changes. Somebody should make a bingo card already.

>>263555512
Sounds like a glitch to me. The movement isn't the problem, but the fact it lets you do moves.

>>263555375
Then go play Melee faggot. No one's keeping you here.

>>263555168
Most of its predecessors and other options that are current but less popular e.g. KoFXIII
I'm not saying SF4 is a bad fighting game, but it's more or less the only choice you have if you want to get into the scene

>>263555364
>The problem with it is the ability to use moves that require you stand still while moving. That is an unintended exploit.
you can do that already with the slipperiness of the characters

>>263551380
Argue in here.

>>263555691
Smash community has dubious standards of quality. I understand you liked the game a lot, but Melee will always be there for you, the franchise can move in a different direction and still crank out top quality games.

Meleefriends aren't the only ones realizing that this game is shit. Its a rehash in every sense of the word.

>Doesn't add anything to gameplay
>Adds characters nobody wants
>Looks no better than Brawl, graphically
>Removed adventure mode for stupid as fuck reasons
>Wii U and 3ds versions not compatible, though it was promised

I can go on and on, but it really doesn't matter since Nintenyearolds will always find a way to defend their master.

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I love these threads. You get a ton of people throwing a bitch-fit because "muh techniques, muh slow."
I will never care about the advanced techs and shit that Smash games do/don't have.

>>263553997
Because that's a game made for people that actually likes to play videogames and get better at them. Capcom actually gives a shit for people who are willing to spend money on their products.
Meleefags would probably play brawl or smash 4 if the motherfucker who created the game listen to those people that keep the game alive after 13 years.

Capcom might be jews who wants money but they give a shit about the fans that keep playing their games.
Nintendo doesn't, instead they add tripping, footstool jumps, ignore competitive people by his epic may may "you haven't created any game, have you?" and says his brawl online netcode is good as it is.

>get linked to clashtournament
>fun while playing the game
>saying how things are new and interesting
>get linked to vgbootcamp
>muh pm and melee
What a bunch of faggots at vbc

>>263555738
I'm a smashfag, and my opinion on the matter is wavedashing, l-cancels, etc are just ways a more skilled player can play the game better. It's advanced movement you can master to beat opponents. In other fighting games there are just as many things like this. I'm not asking for wavedashing and l-canceling back, but what I do want is some sort of advanced movement. This is the reason most people cling to wavedashing and the sort, it already exists and can be demonstrated.

>>263556221
>Only 112 posts.
Faggot, a new thread was not necessary

>>263556060
At least it is better than Marvel.

Okay meleefags. Let me set this straight. We noticed the bugs and left them in because people found them fun. We didn't do them intentionally, we just couldn't fucking be bothered to fix such a minor problem.
It's never coming back.

>>263555589
>Melee was rushed

dude your opinion is soooo fucking stupid and not based on anything. Melee is the deepest fighting game ever made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vckV2MJgBzo

>>263556261
>Smash community has dubious standards of quality
Understatement of the year

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>>263553096
>implying casuals don't play street fighter
>implying tekken, aka the most casual friendly fighter doesn't have le epic deep techniques

>>263556309
>Capcom actually gives a shit for money
fixed that for you

i really dont understand all this frame adn cancelling talks and shit
like do serious players actually be thinking about this crap in the middle of a fight? why cant people just play the game?

>>263556341
>vgbootcamp
More like vgjewcamp. Fuck those guys.

>>263556262
It removed Adventure Mode so the game would be finished by the end of this year. Most people would be pissed if the Wii U drought was even longer.

>>263556262
Nobody cares about the new characters alright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z351AA8sxtk
Did you work on the Legends 3 project at Capcom?

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>>263555635
>If Sakurai wanted wavedashing and l-canceling he would had kept it.

He wanted it in Melee, but then when he saw that more pros were interested in the game than babbies he took it out cuz he's a fgt
http://www.ssbwiki.com/L-canceling

>>263556632
>why cant people just play the game?

Autism

>>263556632

Serious players practice enough so those techniques are second nature.

It's a lot easier than it looks to be honest.

>>263556494
Any person that tries to get that good by doing wacky stuff is an autist.

>>263556540
thank mr skeltal

>>263553482
Too bad brawl sold better than melee.

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>>263556309
>Capcom might be jews who wants money but they give a shit about the fans
mega man

>>263556291
This. Adapt to the game or gtfo.

>>263556632
Some players are really serious about frame data and shit, others couldn't care less. A lot of tourny players don't really know much about the tech they use in detail, they just learn them and try to apply them effectively.

>>263556261
I don't even play Melee. I just think that telling people they should just be happy about a new game and accept it is absurd.

and really things like tripping and random input lag on everything seems like a pretty questionable "direction" for a new game so I wouldn't say their standards are dubious.

>>263557051
Adapting is for scrubs, I'll just stay in my comfort zone.

>>263556494
You can't honestly believe this

I don't see why tourneyfags hate the smashball. It only gets like 3 kills at the most.

>>263556632
it's not like people are calculating frame data midmatch lol

knowing it just gives you a better idea what situation moves are useful for

It was pretty obvious that Mario and Pikachu were faster in Melee than 3DS. Only Link was faster in 3DS.

>>263556761
>Cause he's a faggot
Don't you mean based? Go back to project m and Melee you autist.

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>>263556309

>capcom gives a shit about the fans

>>263556262
If you're not a Nintendo fan why are you playing a Nintendo fan service game?

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>>263556659
So its ok for them to release half a game and charge full price, only because its a Nintendo game?

Holy shit, you people are fucking deluded.

Melee's controls were shit.
Everything was too slippery and ambiguously coreographed, and got KOed too easily.

Everyone's just had 15 years to get used to it.

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>>263556309
>Capcom might be jews who wants money but they give a shit about the fans that keep playing their games

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>meleefags

Smash was never meant to be a fighting game.

It wasn't one then, and it's not now.

Get it through your thick fucking skulls.

>>263557509
It still has classic mode, and they added smash run.

I remember the NorCal tourney scene when melee was just released.

They bitched and moaned about how it wasn't like 64.

>>263557207

You can't honestly not believe this without knowing any basic shit about melee

9:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tgWH-qXpv8

>>263556309
Okay, firstly, Sakurai was asked to make Brawl for the Wii Fit audience, because they were the target demography of Nintendo's Wii console. Secondly, the competitive Smash scene is close to non-existent in Japan, there's no money to be made there. Thirdly, the competitive Smash community in the west don't even want to fund their own competitive game. If Sakurai released Smash Bros 4 Turbo, it would sell like shit.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1289882404/air-dash-online-the-competitive-platform-fighter
>ignore competitive people by his epic may may "you haven't created any game, have you?
You know /v/ likes to take that quote out of context because people like you fall for it every time?

>>263557686
They had the right idea. 64 is much more entertaining.

>>263557393
>Go back to project m and Melee you autist
Go back to Brawl with items on you casual pleb

>>263557509
Who says the game is incomplete or half finished?
If Adventure mode wasn't up to Subspace standards, people would have complained. Smash run is an acceptable alternative.

>>263556309
>that keep the game alive after 13 years
No one cares shithead, neither nintendo nor Sakurai make any money from melee anymore.
Why would Sakurai pander to you who don't buy nintendo games and not us who spent our spare money to them?

>>263556761
>He wanted competitive faggots to stop being competitive faggots and enjoy the game how it was meant to be played
>fgt
Kill youreself

>>263556494
Melee was rushed though, Sakurai said he worked so hard so fast that he'd never want to do anything like it again.

>>263556309
>>263556309
>>263556309

This guy knows his shit

>>263556060
I wish kofxiii was more popular, but the botched online on console didn't help.

>>263557842
Who says I'm not playing it right now?
I'm actually playing the Smash 4 demo

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>>263553482
A huge video game developer not pandering to a few special snowflakes that make up a fraction of the game's fanbase and think that the entire development process should revolve around their needs? I AM SHOCKED

>>263558072
Console has the most active audience for fightan and that version of KoF was probably the first exposure 09ers had to the series
The shit netcode on top of the fact that it's harder to play than SF and Mahvel killed it before it was born
The only people who play it anymore are 95% old fans

>>263557682
>>263557883

Smash run is only for 3ds. How is it the home console version gets shafted? Fucking empty promises and half added game.

>>263547198
>Projared

fuck off and stop viraling your shit

>>263558386
We barely know anything about the Wii U version. Sakurai said the Wii U will get something else.

I'm the only one who thinks that sm4sh would be perfect with decent kill moves and more falling speed? taking forever to kill someone just annoys me.

>ProJared
Closed tab immediately.

>>263558564
The blastzones are definitely way too big.

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>>263551992
>hating on based Murabito

Oh you poor child

>>263558383
So Mexicans, Brazilians, and Koreans?

>>263558383
KoF is actually pretty popular on Steam.

>>263555967
>the fact it lets you do moves.
That's not provable one way or the other. You can say "I bet they meant for you to be helpless when sliding" and I can just say "I bet they didn't" and we won't get anywhere. But since there's nothing mentioned in any manuals or official guides for Melee that say "Watch out when you airdodge into the ground; you'll be vulnerable for a time!" or such, I'm leaning on that not being the case.

The only way to confirm that would be to look at the code, and I have no idea if it's even possible to disassemble the source code from a GCN ISO.

>>263558564
I CAN'T GET OVER HOW MAD NOT BEING ABLE TO CHANGE THE TIME LIMIT IN THE DEMO MAKES ME

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Melee/P:M faggots are the worst.

>>263558953
And that's why it's called a demo and not a lite version.

>>263559025
Irony.

>>263558950
But I don't have game PC.

>>263559025
Melee faggots hate PM too.

>>263558950
PC netcode is GOAT
I'm hopeful because of the boost we just got from people buying the humble bundle

>>263559025
And some people thought the Dark Souls fan-base was the worst.

>>263559025
They remind me of those who play rock paper shizors competitively with mind games and statistics.

>>263559106
2 minutes is just too quick and annoying. A demo should also serve as an advertisement for the game. I'm not asking for 15 different game modes with item switch. Just something other than being stuck at 2 minutes.

>>263559265
>Darksouls fag trying to pin worst fanbase to someone else
Darksouls is still the worst
Followed by Persona

You guys are aware that most of the actual "tourneyfags" (I.E. Top level players) are loving the final build for Smash 4 right?

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>>263551992
>HE DOESNT HAVE A DEMO

>>263559209
>PC netcode is GOAT
My experience has actually been pretty shitty. If I play with the same guy on Supercade the game is super smooth, but on KoF we get mad input delay. Had to put up with bigger bullshit on the console netcode though.

>>263559360
It's a tease. You know for a fact that the full game will be better because the choice to change the time limit is grayed out. Just to tease you.

>>263547418
Smash tourneyfags are the worst tourneyfags

>>263553904
> seriusly

>>263547198
>faster then melee and brawl
>not faster then smash 64

You will never see an Isai combo video for link in anything but smash 64, and thus will never see a hype Link combo video

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>retards now believe that the fucking number of frames in shit like Link's ftilt and Pika's downB are what people are talking about when they say Melee is 'fast'

wow, holy shit. way to prove once again that you know nothing about why people still play Melee competitively in the year 2014

>>263559693
This. It's a demo for a reason. They want to give you samples of the game without you getting too comfortable.

>>263559680
There's not really anything that can stack up to supercade and ggpo, but if you're in the same region you shouldn't be having any issues with KoF
I'm not sure where you are and what your internet is like though

>>263559265
Darksouls fanbase is mlp tier.

>>263560063

>people were retarded then and are still retarded in 2014

Nigga no one fucking cares about your shit game.

Smash is not a fighting game. Get over it.

Protip: if you're not a Nintendo fan, you should not play a game all about nintendo fan service, just because it is a meme.

Literally melee is a meme game.
People literally play it just because a few autists decided to play a plart game competitively.
Why don't you play mario party competitively too?

>casuals not knowing what "slow gameplay" means

It's not a matter of the attack animations you buffoons. It's the fact that everything does so much hitstun and knockback without allowing for combo potential while also not killing the opponent, making for individual stocks lasting longer and the MATCHES being "slow." Whoever made this video missed the point entirely.

>>263560086
How do I check my coins in the demo?

>>263560276
>highest viewer count in evo history
>"no one cares"

>>263560492
>highest view count on twitch.tv
>LoL is a complex, balanced, and highly competitive game

>>263560492
Wasn't it basically analyzed and the results showed that Melee was THE most high tech skillgame of all time?

>>263560492
Because melee achieved meme status.
Literally no one would want to watch it otherwise.

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE A BLUR. SO SPEEDY YOU CANT TELL WHATS GOING ON. FUCK THE NEW SMASH

>>263560602
>>263560707
>Damage control

>>263560602
That wasn't even remotely the point of my post.

Melee fags are salty because casuals beat them in brawl.

>>263560602
That's not relevant to his post at all, he's just stating that people do care about the game you twat.

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>>263560705

>>263560705
Yep. Melee requires the most skill out of any game ever mage to truly master. The "anti-Melee" fags you're seeing are just buttmad DaSfags that are buttmad that "HERP DA DERP LE DURR HURR ROLL PARRY STAB" is casual garbage.

>Guyz smash broz is srs bznsno scrubs plz

If I could harness this thread in physical form I would have a concentrated ball of autism so potent that the most socially well-versed would become basement-dwelling neckbeards in seconds.

Seriously, all of you, kill yourselves.

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>this whole thread
Now excuse me while I go play the Smash4 demo then go practice my Melee tech skill because, you know, it's not hard to like two games at the same time.

>>263560916
The people who care about melee don't care about fighting games and are only at EVO because it draws views and money
Basically they don't matter

If melee is so good, why do you want another one?

>>263551858
L-Canceling was a feature, you're right. But wavedashing and platform cancelling are side-effects of the physics and are not intended techniques.
It's great that you all managed to build a community and jerk of on each other's couches and everything simply based on these exploits, but it's time for new Smash, and you're afraid of change.

>>263560492
I thought Marvel this year had higher viewership than smash has ever had.

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>>263561112

Jesus fuck look at this drone shit.

>>263561347
>no one cares fags
>but clearly they do
>well they don't matter anyway

This is how you sound. Just stop.

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>>263561347
>people care about it
>those people don't count
I play a fuck ton of fighting games and I love watching competitive Smash.

>>263561478

No, nerds on the internet on people.

No one fucking cares.

None of the games after Melee will be as "fast" as melee due to the fact that fucking melee is broken as fuck.

Melee is not a competitive game in the traditional sense as outlined in the game itself, it is competitive in what I consider the "Competitive Speedrun" category. It is literally solely tech chases and exploitation to win, and while yes, it is impressive and takes a lot of skill, it's like competing to glitch out of a map first to win a game.

The 3DS game is shaping up to be more competitive in the traditional sense without being super fucking slow like Brawl, which I am glad for. I mean fuck some of the shit you have to do in melee to be good in the tournament scene is harder than the shit you have to do in any traditional fighter, not that a difficulty barrier is bad, but fuck if melee is broken as fuck for a game.

>>263561579
anti-melee fags are pretty funny. They're autistic butthurt is worth coming to these threads.

>>263560705
It requires the most inputs. Usually in a game you can just press one direction to move or up to jump. In melee you have to do 17 inputs just to get from one platform to the next.

>>263561478
>No one fucking cares about your shit game
means
>No one relevant to the FGC and the competitive scene cares about your shit game

A bunch of drooling retards playing a beer pong tournament doesn't make it a competitive sport

>>263560895
Not really. Brawl is even more of a ridiculously imbalanced mess than Melee. Even if a casual slept with the Godess of Tripping prior to the match, they would have no chance against a tourneyfag Meta Knight or Ice Climbers.

>>263560276

if you re-read my post, you'll see that I never mentioned whether or not Melee is a fighting game.

Whether or not it's a fighting game has nothing to do with why people have been playing it for 13 years.

>>263553469
How is Zelda looking so far in 3DS?

If you haven't seen sheik or falcon in the new game, you're missing out. Holy moly they're good

>>263561708
>Anti-Melee
>Autistic
Pick one, but only if you're capable of understanding social cues.

>>263561708
I don't even care about the argument but how is it not the melee diehards that you're not calling out for their autism?

>>263561708
Is it autistic to ask you to stop acting like an autist?
You are the ones who overanalyse a 13 years old game. You are so autistic that when you play, you don't see mario or pikachu, you see hitboxes.

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>>263561879
>if this specific set of people don't care about your game nobody cares
>two people trying to win in a competition isn't competitive

What does "autistic" mean on /v/?

>>263561879
>A bunch of drooling retards playing beer pong tournament
Congratulations you just described all of the FGC

>>263562321
Putting effort into or caring about something that someone else doesn't care about

>>263562321
Liking the things I don't like
Synonyms: shill, drone, jidf, sjw, reddit, tumblr etc

>>263562321
Kill yourself, you don't belong here.

>>263562335
Smash has more in common with Starcraft than with FGC. Smash is a real game with true depth, not a relic from the past like the FGC.

>>263562321
Someone you disagree with, a term used to demean in attempts to discredit an argument without actually debating.

>I don't like x game here is x reason
lol what are you autistic x game is best game ever

See also: drone, faggot, marketer, and on some occasions edgy or fedora

>no direct jump comparison
of course he doesn't show that because then you can easily see the floaty turd we actually got

>>263562687
You have to be subtle when you do these things anon

>>263562859
Best answer.

>>263549049
That is most likely because of the "Joy stick" on the 3DS
But besides, that was probably a bad player or some shit. There's no way they would take that out because they are bringing back GC controllers just for this, so that means a C stick, and the C stick allowed that without a problem. So shut up and suck a dick

>>263562687
>real game with true depth
>Glitchy game that allows you to glitch competitively

Muh depth, FGC is as bad as assfaggots, but meleefags are still as terrible if not more terrible but on a different level.

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>>263562321
>>263562859

Learn the meaning, it could save your life.

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>>263561879

Justin Wong does

wait, let me make your next post for yo :

>Justin Wong doesn't count because I said so!

I'm sure you're more 'relevant' than him, lel

>>263562995
but you can jump cancel, it's just stupid to do on the fucking circle pad.

>>263563218
>replying to bait
>equating FGC with smashfags

>>263562036

most meleefags are 100% normalfag. Mango is probably the best personification of normalfaggotry I can think of

Okay, let's see. I'll go one by one

>>263556563
>Capcom actually gives a shit for money
And the people who spend that money in them. They see us as their milking cow, and they are willing to develop a reviewed version of a game released 6 yeara ago. You know, becuase they heard us we wanted an update? No?
>>263556958
>Capcom: Hey, I heard you like megaman games, Here gave more. And more
>Anon: Fuck you, 10 games of megaman. 8 games of megaman x. 6 for battle network. plus all the remakes, demakes and shitmakes. Go mega fuck yourself
>Capcom: ok, I heard you. No more megamans
>Anon: Where the fuck is megaman?
>>263557409
>capcom gives a shit about the fans *that keep playing their games*
reading comprehension
>>263557613
This is true
>>263557752
I can discuss this but I rather not. The anon I manly replaid compared gighting games capcom and Nintendo.
>>263557887
This is also true. I don't spend money on Nintendo games and Nintendo business model of targeting you makes total sense. They care about your money, because there are more casual people that competitive ones. And that is why I say Capcom gives a shit about their fans who play their games. At least capcom fighting games
>>263558010
lol no, fuck you.
division.

>>263549407
because v is retarded

>>263554135
Ratchet and Clank threads don't really ever have any shitposting in them

>>263562551
>>263562551
>>263562859
>>263563220

These are some of the most level-headed posts I've seen on /v/ in months.

Could you anons do me a favor and please post more often?

>>263563485
Mew2king.

>>263563892
>most

>>263563454
>reading comprehension
FGC and Smashfags are both terrible for different reasons, FGC is bad in the same way MOBA shit is bad, smashfags are the bad in the way of defending glitches and broken game mechanics as skill "ITS A FEATURE"

>>263563679
Oh now we have Capcom marketeers?
Don't tell me I'm overreacting.

>>263563889
The truth is that there is a big amount of level headed people on /v/ they just choose to shitpost because there is no reason not too, since the majority of people here are the same people that giggle to themselves when calling someone a faggot on a mic in a videogame.

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>>263547198
Cherrypicking, there was another video doing the same exact thing where smash 4 was NEARLY all slower than Melee and even with some even with brawl.

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Why don't Brawl and SSB4 conserve your momentum into the jump? Is there seriously any good reason for this at all

Is it just laziness

>>263564049
Assfaggots are objectively terrible
You don't have to like fighting games but you can't say they aren't deep and don't require skill

>>263563892

>Mew2king is every tourneyfag

top kek. there's a reason he stands out, you can point to autismal fucks in any competitive scene, m2k just happens to be really good as well as autistic. in fact his autism gives him strength

>>263563679
>There are people defending capcom
Not even capcom defends capcom so I won't call you a shill. But I will call you delusional.

>>263547198
Interesting, but showing all the wrong stuff. So in most cases here Melee is already faster or on par, with the only slower one being Pikachu's down b. It also showed gameplay clips at the end that capture the speed of Brawl/3DS, but don't even touch the surface of Melee. Rather than getting into boring specifics i think that will actually sum up everything im trying to say. At the bare surface level, the games are somewhat similar. But that's as deep as it goes for all games but Melee. Throw in all the advanced techniques and most importantly the aerial game, and melee becomes several times over faster than the other 2 COMBINED. I think my main gripe with this video actually is that it didnt show aerial hang times and aerial landing lags, which range from 1.5-6 times faster for melee than either of the other two. That's where the largest difference comes into play.

>>263554135
This picture perplexes me

>>263563220
Those buzzwords are used a lot because many people on /v/ do not have English as their mother language. So they have a small vocabulary. You could understand that if you play assfaggots 2 with /vg/

>>263549417
The circle pad is amazing. Much better than analog sticks.

>>263547198

From the thumbnail I thought this was going to be a comparison to show how awful the 3DS looks.

>>263563892
He said most. Hbox, PPMD and everyone else in the documentary seemed pretty normal.

>>263547198
Melee is faster than Brawl because of more than just inputs.

There is also pacing.

Brawl is the slowest bar none, thanks to it's forced input lag.

Smash 4 might have the potential to be a fast paced game, it's more about how the meta develops.

What I got from this video
>link is faster
thank god
>mario is slower than melee
I don't care, I don't play him
>pikachu's down-b is faster
They nerfed it to fuck so I'm not surprised
>all in all recovery is slower than melee
eugh, at least it's better than brawl

>>263565070
Dr.pp is a huge fucking nerd whatchu talkin about?

>>263564654
>advanced techniques
You mean bugs? Like wavedashing? Such a silly name.

lets play
http://team.forsvarsmakten.se/english/#/private/ui

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>>263565334
Not gonna reply to what you say after this because its just gonna be a buncha non commited bait saying tl;dr

just saying, Lcancel and wavedash are not bugs, understand and educate yourself by actually reading this pic.

>>263550608
Thank god Smash 4 isn't like this. I don't wanna lose online because I'm not a no life NEET who plays smash bros all day long.

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>>263565636
>I don't want to lose because someone is better than me
That's going to happen anyways, you know that right?

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>>263565636
sakurai already fixed it

>>263566172
/r/ing the lucina edit

I think it's hilarious how offended people still are, after all these years, that people play melee competitively. Why do you 4chan video game purists still try to use the "glitch" argument in these threads? Seriously, even if every single competitive melee player reclassified all their techniques as glitches, would that change ANYTHING? They would still hold tournaments and continue playing the game competitively. The game would still be popular and people would still travel all over the country to compete and try to get better at it.

The difference between you guys and competitive players is that they aren't constantly worrying about "how the game was MEANT to be played". It doesn't fucking matter. We've stumbled upon something better than having 4-man free-for-alls with bob-ombs set on very high, and this way of playing the game has proven itself to be deeper and more engaging than the original intended way. Please just accept it and stop being mad.

>>263566338
>I think it's hilarious how offended people still are, after all these years, that people play melee competitively
No
People are mad because meleefags hold up their game as this incredibly deep technical fighting game to end all fighting games when it's really just a party game for kids

>>263566338
I'd also like to add that this doesn't mean you can't go back and play the game normally. No one is stopping you. This strawman tourneyfag player who comes to your house and forces you to turn items off and play fox doesn't actually exist.

>>263566338
>B-b-b-but THEY'RE NOT PLAYING IN MY DEFINITION OF FUN!

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>>263547198
The attacks coming out faster doesn't really make a difference when there's so much recovery lag in the air. Jumps cancels out all your momentum is really lazy too.

I wonder why Sakurai insists on doing this

>>263566630
why do you care tho

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>>263566172

>>263566659
That sort of works both ways

>>263566630
I really doubt you're in any position to judge the technical viability of the game when you've obviously never played it at a professional level. If you can find proof that competitive smash isn't technical and is, in fact, just a "party game for kids" then I'd love to see it.

>>263565636
>I don't wanna lose because there are people better than me
Stick to singleplayer games

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>>263567225
Except the Melee tourneyfags arent trying to tell you how to play, it's exactly the opposite as a matter of fact. There's even explicitly been casuals telling the melee players they're havin fun the wrong way.

Just saying, I'm a outside observer or lurker of these shitstorms and its always ALWAYS AAAAAALWAYS, even ever since japan time, the casuals taht are starting shit from their own insecurity. Grow up and realize there are people that dont care how you play the game, and will continue to play their way whether you and your inferiority complex can handle it or not. They dont effect you no matter what mental gymnastics you pull from your ass.

>>263567225
How does that work against tourneyfags? No one is forcing you to play a game competitively.

>>263567756
>>263567632
I agree, think I might have missed the sarcasm on the initial post, my bad.

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>>263565636
>I dont wanna lose because someones better than me

NEWSFLASH KIDDO, better gamers will always be better no matter how Sakurai nerfs the game because they put in the effort to be better at it. Fags like you are the end result of the last generation, thank god Nintendo is dropping casual catering.

Oh and I'm not a tourneyfag either, but I certainly am on their side because you faggots always have to start shit and ruin threads.

>>263566016
>>263567585
No I don't wanna lose due to not knowing advanced exploits that need to be practiced all day long.

>>263562321
Basically nothing.

>>263568131
>hurr durr kiddo lel
That makes you sound just as retarded.

>>263568279
Then dont play with those people, simple.

incoming "BUT THEY'RE DOING THOSE THINGS SO IT EFFECTS ME DESPITE ME NOT BEING AROUND THEM OR PLAYING THEM!"

Seriously I know thats what you wanna type next. Drop the victim complex.

>>263568279
>need to be practiced all day long

>>263568279
You can learn literally every major advanced technique in Melee in the span of about a couple hours, it's the application of them that's difficult.

>>263568279
So you don't want to lose due to someone being more knowledgeable about the game and having better execution? That's the same thing.

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>>263566324

>>263568279

This just means that you are less dedicated than them. Suck it up you mary.

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>>263568279
You already know the solution.
git gud.
Or play For Fun online, whichever.

>>263568474
>>263568490
>>263568543
>>263568646
>>263568705
>>263568840

I don't even know why are you guys saying these things. The game is out and it doesn't play like Melee so I won already.

>>263569057
I like that it's different from Melee too. What are you even trying to say?

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>>263569057
And that's an excuse to stay casual?

>>263569057
You will still lose to them

>>263569057
this is the closest /v/ will ever get to an admission of defeat

i honestly hope you enjoy the game

>>263547198

They cutesefied Pikachu's down smash.

>>263569449
There are quite a few people here who have his mindset, where they want to win without putting any effort into it.
Honestly, just scroll on. I figure life will get shitty for them when they grow up.

>>263569057
>shifting goalposts
>OH NO CANT BE A VICTIM BETTER SHIFT THE ATTENTION AWAY SO I DONT LOOK RETARDED

No I'm not allowing that faggot, you cant be a victim. Dont playwith the tourneyfags. They'll be in every smash game from 64, to PM to Smash 4, to melee and Brawl. Just dont play with them, and stop whining on /v/ you look like a fucking pussy that cant stand losing.

>>263564390
I think it's to make it harder to kill people of the ledge.

>>263569496
they nerfed it really bad

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>that Pikachu butt pivot at 1:32

2kawaii

Why do casual elitist think that they're opinion on competitive Smash means anything at all? Just have fun playing the Smash games you like, and Melee players will have fun playing they're games. It's like you're on some desperate crusade to get Smasboards to accept you or something.

>>263555375

>Butterly smooth

Melee has no pivots and no buffering

>It's rigid as fuck.

Are we even playing the same game?

The non existence of L canceling renders this null and void. In melee you halve the frames of all landing lag with it.

>>263569690
You're literally going full autist here. There's no goalpost. I'm just saying I like Smash 4 better for it not being as complex. I'm not acting the victim here, and you're the one being childish. Yes I'm not interested in putting in the amount of dedication it takes to do shit like that video >>263550608 and as the same guy said, Smash 4 is the game for me.

>>263569669
I'm just in favor of intuitive based gameplay, L-Cancelling and Wavedashing are the opposite of that and are really a stark contrast to the simple and otherwise intuitive based gameplay.

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>watching vgbootcamp for a while
>people ask what they think about the new stages
>"FD and battle field are fine, but they didn't even try with the other stages man"
>people ask why they say that
>"We are cometitive players so we don't play in stages that have no competitive value"

>>263570058
>Melee has no pivots and no buffering
Thanks for discarding your own opinion for us.

Tourneyfags never made a game.

What made melee fast (and the best) was the movement.

As for the attacks, I wouldn't make a judgment based on 5 moves.

>>263571114
They tried and it failed LOL

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>implying Megaman is good

fuckin LOL

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>>263570698
>We are cometitive players so we don't play in stages that have no competitive value

I refuse to believe someone said that unironically.

Fuck you in-fighting faggots. I love every smash game and I'm a "tourneyfag." Listen to this shit and fuck off with your shitposting. get fucking hype Smash 4 is coming out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaQVGn0_sMA

>>263570698
>scrubs who never counterpicked Pikachu with Mario Bros.

>>263571616
I don't hate tourneyfags, just Meleefags.

>>263570232
Wavedashing is intuitive as fuck.

>If I hold a direction while air dodging, I quickly move that direction.
>What would happen if I air dodged at the ground and a direction?
>Oh wow, I keep my momentum and slide across the floor a bit!

Wavedashing is literally just sliding across the floor with the momentum from your air dodge.
Shit ain't hard to figure out. Just hard to use it right.

I would be fine with L cancelling going away if they just made landing lag less significant.

Does anybody else dislike all of the effects on every move now? It feels like they went overboard.

All casuals bitching about tourneyfags can enjoy playing sm4sh for about a month before it gets redundant and boring. Melee has the best replay value by far

>>263570698
To be fair, it's certainly is a step down from Brawl where there were stages that could stay competitive while still being a fun stage in itself, like Frigate Orpheon or Delfino Plaza. In Smash 3DS though, it seems like every stage that could be competitive has some sort of bullshit hazard.

Wily's Castle has Yellow Devil, N's Castle has Pokemon wrecking shit up, that gorgeous Mother stage I keep forgetting the name of has Masked Man and Pyrosphere will probably have Ridley. I wouldn't mind it much if at least it had the option to turn hazards off. PSABR did it.

>>263572019

Sorry it doesn't look like Melee.

>>263570698
vgbootcamp is the absolute WORST part of competitive smash. GIMR (the host) is literally no fun at all.

>>263571905
Why? What the fuck did they do to you? Holy shit you're fucking autistic.

>>263571925
Yeah, but that goes into Melee's airdodge which I also dislike. You can only use it once in air, and afterwards you go into the helpless state. I've seen many deaths from this.

>>263572349
Watching them stream for the last 30 minutes has made me hate them.

>>263572449
Because hivemind.


There's no other rational reason.

>>263572570
Same here man. Fuck those guys.

>>263572449
Melee fags constantly complain that the game is a complete failure if the game isn't Melee 2.0

>>263572019
I actually really like it

>>263570698
I'm kind of annoyed at the lack of decent neutral stages for the DS version, even Brawl had stages like Frigate Orpheon, Castle Siege, or Halberd that weren't static but still balanced enough for competitive play. For Smash 4 it's like every otherwise decent stage like Wily's Castle or Magicant are ruined by stage bosses (and let's face it, is anyone going to think those are a cool idea after like the 5th time playing there?).

>>263572712
I see way more people like you that bitch about them than people like that.

>>263572891
>Lack of neutral stages
>Literally every stage is final destination.

>>263572712
No the fucking don't. Go to fucking Smashboards if you want to know what actual meleefags think and stop being a gullible retard taking /v/'s shitty bait. Pretty much everyone is hype for Smash4. The positivity is ubiquitous. it's just /v/ that feels the need to force some sort of flamewar that doesn't actually exist.