#GG + #NYS

dick

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anus

penis?

Destiny will be released on September 9th five days from now, and they will look to the major gaming sites to advertise this. IF WE WANT TO DEAL A CRIPPLING BLOW TO THE JOURNALIST SITES NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. If we spread to regular people to avoid the major game sites on September 9th and a few days after that they will *feel* the loss from ad revenue. We need to spread this as quickly as possible to increase the chance of this happening and it doesn't take much effort. Get to your stations soldiers, and keep fighting the good fight.

>>>/vg/

Adam Baldwin & IA on radio tomorrow

4PM est I believe

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Can you guys track down the relationship between Burch and other Destructoid writers? I need to know which ones he was specifically friends with.

I'm compiling all the articles now into an image post right now.

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Lets do this.

Who is this Jenn person and why are we glad about her?

MOVIEBLOB CALLED OUT HARD

IronBackhand is finaly doing something other than commentating.

How to Twitter

Want to assist on Twitter, but no idea where to start?

HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN DO

1. Search #GamerGate
2. Follow people supporting the cause
3. Support people taking courage to speak up
4. Retweet quality information


WHEN AND HOW TO COMMENT

-Is an ally receiving backlash from the other side?
Thank them for their support. Show them your appreciation.

-See something you don't agree with, or is giving #GamerGate a bad name?
Try to open the discussion. Question their beliefs, without insulting them.

-Is someone obviously trolling/baiting?
Ignore! Nothing good will likely come from engaging them.
However, consider if there is a legitimate reason to flag/report a tweet if it's against the ToS: https://twitter.com/tos


RULES OF ENGAGEMENT

-Remain calm, always. Take a moment to reread your replies. Do they convey your thoughts clearly? How will they react?

-Do not engage in shit flinging. Nothing good will come of this. If they don't want to talk, so be it. Put your energy towards something more fruitful.

-This one can be tricky: be not afraid to call out an ally if they are being unreasonable, but do so politely.
If they're only hurting the cause, remind them. Consider sending a direct message. Calling someone out in public might not produce the best results.

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Shots have been fired.

http://angelwitchpaganheart.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/thought-of-a-feminist-gamer-on-gamergate/

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>>261524565
add to OP so annons can get music: https://plugDOTdj/gamergate

Should /v be held responsible for the child pornography of /b, or the blatant racism of /pol?

Should /v also be held responsible for all the terrible shitposting involved in console wars and the oversexualization of lolis?

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Patrick Klepek's troll account never gets enough love. All his shit is always golden.

>>261524702
no way

links for proof

FAGGITS EXPLAIN #NOTYORUSHIELD WHAT IS IT?
IS IT A HAPPENING?

>>261524802

who?
where?
when?

What do you guys think of the Reviewtechusa video?

>>261524783
Writer for the Guardian, wrote a "Gamers are Misogynist and Toxic"

Turns out her patreon is supported by Friends of Zoe.

>>261524664
Need to give alternatives (besides fucking /v/), I may spread on Twitter.

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>>261524783
Don't bother her.

Serious question, what gives these people on twitter that much unwarranted self importance?

>Based Baldwin going radio with IA
>Boogie about to drop bombs
>SJWs getting fired

This party is getting wild.

>>261524918
http://www.techraptor.net

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I DARE YOU ASSHOLES TO MAKE A BETTER VERSION OF REDDIT'S GILDA MARS

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WE JUST WENT TWO THREADS

REMEMBER THIS MIGHT AWAKEN THE MOD STORM

IF IT DOES
KEEP CALM

>>261524897

it's people who aren't white, heterosexual, or male batfoing SJWs for using them as a shield to avoid being criticised.

>>261523707
>Seeing as most of the games I play are independent
Who draw from the same limited pool of consumer dollars as anyone else.
>or published by european companies
>international companies are not impacted by American markets
>europeans don't buy CoD/BF/X Theatrical FPS
>whatever other dipshit argument you're suggesting here
you're retarded
>yes, pointing out the ineptitude of discourse
you weren't "pointing out" shit, you don't like being called a neckbeard, so you think it's more important to go after the nothing non-journalists who said it rather than going after entities that actually impact your shit

you're a fucking moron.

>>261524802
Ironbackhand wrote a fucking book calling him out. 5 twitlonger posts.

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I really think this guy is jealous he wasn't included in the scandal

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>>261524813
A guide to politely arguing with Twitter extremists, by Action Points, by the most patient and unflappable man in the business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV6XZwd43vY

>>261525005
We already did. Her name is Vivian James.

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BTFO BTFO BTFO!!! ITS OVER WE WIN
remember a few days ago when the FBI busted a member of the hacker group lulzsec?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/tech/social/fbi-discover-links-between-hacker-group-lulzsec-&-anita-sarkeesian/index.html

>>261524878

The guy always fucking succinctly nails what's stupid about Klepeck's opinions.

Rap lyrics made about #notyoursheild

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s7tut8

made by a jewish person who believes that the wounds of WW2 are already healed and is angry at SJWs

rapfags get on this

this and the other video may help us

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>>261524565
HEY GUYS IF YOU READ THE ARTICLES FROM ALTERNATIVE SITES, DISABLE ADBLOCK SO THEY GET MORE REVENUE

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>>261524565
REMINDER THAT ADAM BALDWIN AND ARISTOCRAT WILL BE SPEAKING ON THIS RADIO SHOW AT >----4PM EST <----- TOMORROW

hotair.com/hotair-tv-ed-morrissey-show/
hotair.com/hotair-tv-ed-morrissey-show/
hotair.com/hotair-tv-ed-morrissey-show/
hotair.com/hotair-tv-ed-morrissey-show/
hotair.com/hotair-tv-ed-morrissey-show/

figure out your own damn timezone

>>261524936
This needs to be in the SJW simulator.

>>261524965
They know better than everyone else and them stating such makes them feel important

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ALL AIRCRAFTS REPORT

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Would you kindly? Powerfull phrase isn't it. Would you kindly defend us in spite of our corruption?
Would you kindly continue to consume our articles by sold out souls to buy shit games?
Would you kindly brush off the righteous anger of those affected?

A GAMER chooses. A slave obeys.

Just a reminder to you shilling folks, the ride is never finished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG25S51qJQQ

Boogie2988 edition.

>>261524835
You are the biggest faggot I've ever seen but you are very good at shilling your garbage twitter.

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>tfw you calmly try to explain to someone on the opposition why they're wrong and you're met with an outburst of cussing and blocked soon after.

Thanks for showing me how rectal ragnarok'd you people are.

>>261524783
Another scam artist playing the victim to get more patreons.

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>>261525005

>>261524565

We know Zoe Quinn is in bed with people for positive press
We know Patricia Hernandez is in bed with people for positive press

Who else is there?

>>261525005
Didn't TFYC said they have to aprove of characters and edit them to make them more aceptable design wise? Vivian is Mistery of the druids compared to it

>>261524936

Isn't this a old one from the 4chan raid some trolls got tumblr to do? Pretty sure it's not related to all this.

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Hey, reminder on what happened last thread.

Anthony Burch had JUST ADMITTED that he's friends with the people who reviewed shit he worked on, people from Destructoid.

Know what he worked on?

Borderlands 2 DLC.

Yeah.

WE NEED ALL HANDS ON DECK FOR THIS ONE FELLAS

Get all the info we can on those review before they go "missing" or change in information. See what else he was doing with his friends. GET THIS SHIT OUT THERE.

Oh, and don't forget to thank Anthony Burch for this hot tip he gave himself!

dfdsf

>>261524936
Someone figure out where this schmuck is posting from and call the cops. He's making terroristic threats, let the justice system introduce him to some real psychopaths!

>>261525058
>retard
DAS ABLEIST

>>261525116

It was funny once a few threads ago. Don't ruin it.

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>>261524914
REPOSTING

>>261525067
Fuck that's beautiful

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>>261525174
Red plumber, standing by.

>>261524783
Wrote a terribly biased article about Aneeta on The Guardian, was mentionned by Al Jazeera I think.

>>261525054
Oh man it would be hilarious to pursue this line of discussion.

"Still not ringing any bells. Are you a Youtuber?

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>>261524908
https://twitter.com/IronBackhand/with_replies

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>>261525251

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>>261525174

/pol/x/ standing by

>>261525054
Poor Anthony. He wants to be an oppressed woman so bad.

>>261525041
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHA Those turbo-fags had it coming. I knew one day those groups would rise against them.

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IGNORE FUCKING ATTENTIONWHORES

THAT INCLUDES DEVIN FARACI, HAVE YOU EVEN HEARD OF HIM UNTIL HE STARTED SHITTING THINGS UP?
FUCK NO YOU HAVEN'T, SO WHY ARE YOU STARTING NOW?

THAT INCLUDES IAN CHING CHONG LING LONG THE CHINESE NAZI
HE'S BEEN FUCKING IRRELEVANT THESE DAYS AND I FOR WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY

THAT ALSO INCLUDES PATRICK FUCKEK, EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH IS PUTRID SHIT
HE WILL NEVER BE FIRED OR LAID OFF FROM GIANTBOMB BECAUSE HE IS LITERALLY JEFF'S FINAL LIFELINE TO RYAN DAVIS
BESIDES HE DOESN'T EVEN NEED YOU TALKING TO HIM TO START SPEWING BULLSHIT

TREAT ALL ATTENTIONWHORES LIKE MANLET TEARS, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL LIKE HIM, AND FUCKING IGNORE THEM
IF YOU'RE SEEING THIS PASTA MORE THAN ONCE A THREAD THEN THAT MEANS YOU JUST FUCKED UP
CORRECT YOURSELVES

IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, I NEED TO FIND OTHER TYPES OF DRAGONS TO POST THESE WITH
WHAT COLOR DO YA NIGGAS WANT?

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>>261524986

>>261525054
I'm still unsure who he is.

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>>261524965

read this and you will understand the madness we face.

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>>261524918

>>261524882
https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/507364947584512000

>>261524565
>Wiki
what the fuck
I leave for a day and this is what happens?
Is the movement losing steam or something?

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>>261525174

>>261525251
Is he fucking retarded?
Like wow what a fucking moron

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Anita is a fraud.

http://vimeo.com/13216819 @ 12:40

>>261525251
Yeah and? Jeff Gerstmann and the dudes at GB are friends with Mikey Neumann who also works at Gearbox and they reviewed both Borderlands games?

#NotYourShield is the best thing to come out in recent days. This is very so needed.

>>261525251
I think no one should give a shit what Anthony Brunch has to say. He's clearly looking for attention.

ADD THIS TO THE OP POSTS

OFFICIAL GAMER GATE MUSIC

https://plug dj/gamergate

COME ON AND SLAM

>>261524936
Holy Christ, who the fuck does this guy even represent?

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>>261525251
I just don't get it. It's not like we were ignoring him, we just didn't know at the time.

What a fucking dunce, outing himself like that.


THANK YOU ANTHONY BURCH FOR THIS HOT TIP!!!!!!!!

>>261525005
we did, GMars was something someone on /v/ submitted to reddit using a K-On hentai dress-up game to make the character

>>261525191
>all those posts about "GET IBH INVOLVED GUISE"
>all those posts about "WE'VE AWAKENED THE BEAST, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE THERE GUYSSSS"
Holy shit it all makes sense it's just one guy shilling his tiny twitter.

>>261524965
Same thing that gives it to /v/ I guess.

I'm so sick of these fucking threads.

>>261525378

Hey bro just saying. All caps + Wall of text = you getting ignored. Why don't you take a deep breath and be cool.

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LOOKING FOR EDITORS https://gamersongaming2.etherpad.mozilla.org/
>LOOKING FOR EDITORS https://gamersongaming2.etherpad.mozilla.org/
LOOKING FOR EDITORS https://gamersongaming2.etherpad.mozilla.org/
>LOOKING FOR EDITORS https://gamersongaming2.etherpad.mozilla.org/
>Sorry, but to use it you need to make some junk mozilla account if you don't already have one.
>Also, yay, some people have actually started coming in to look at it.

WE HAVE THEIR ATTENTION BUT NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH IT FAGGOTS.
BITCHES THIS IS THE PLATFORM WHERE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE OUR STAND (GamerGate's just a fucking banner).
Otherwise, you faggots are just being the same as those idiots on Facebook that post stupid pictures and say "LIKE IF YOU SUPPORT PUPPIES IN MAJOR LEAGUE SPORTS".

Our goals are fairly complicated and keep getting misunderstoon/derailed by the stupidest things cause currently, we're just working off of mountains of infographics on different topics that sound like conspiracies and a bunch of faggots sitting around calling witty remarks on twitter "based".
The reason we're not going anywhere is cause no one knows for certain what #GamerGate really means.
This is a set guideline: something for those waving the flag of #GamerGate to use as a backbone.

If you've got good public writing skills and a desire to do more than just sit around arguing on twitter, send a request to join the etherpad here:
>https://gamersongaming2.etherpad.mozilla.org/

Now just watch, a few posts above or below this one will be a screencap of some twitter post(s) and get a fuckton of replies.

>>261525145
It's called Tumblr anon.

>>261525058

Did they thank you, doc?

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THIS JUST IN, ANTHONY BURCH GENUINELY RETARDED

HIS BRAIN DOES NOT WORK AS WELL AS OTHER HUMANS OTHERWISE HE WOULDN'T HAVE SAID THIS

JESUS CHRIST I ALMOST FEEL BAD BECAUSE AFTER THIS HE'S GOT TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME KIND OF FUCKING LEARNING DISABILITY

HOLY SHIT HE'S FUCKING DUMB

I CANNOT FATHOM THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT COULD LEAD TO ANYONE TYPING THIS AND THINKING IT WAS A GOOD IDEA

I CAN IMAGINE HIM SMUGLY LEANING BACK IN HIS CHAIR GOING "HA, ADMITTING THAT I'M A CORRUPT DOUCHEBAG WILL SURE SHOW THOSE MISOGYNISTS"

SERIOUSLY MORE COGNITIVE POWER IS DISPLAYED BY INANIMATE OBJECTS THAN BY ANTHONY BURCH RIGHT NOW

PEOPLE BUY GAMES WRITTEN BY A MAN WITH ALL OF THE RAW BRAINPOWER OF A DEAD SQUIRREL THAT'S BEEN LEFT OUT IN THE SUN FOR A FEW DAYS

WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT

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Thanks twitter guys, now we have Cameron Baker's LinkedIn info right before he deleted it after his out burst!

FIND HIS GAMES AND SHUT EM DOWN BY FINDING THEIR SPONSORS!

>>261525116
>http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/tech/social/fbi-discover-links-between-hacker-group-lulzsec-&-anita-sarkeesian/index.html

*Removes sunglasses*

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Hey
Someone wanted a vocaroo of the tumblr post last thread?

Hope ya like it. I had fun making it
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1j0Y2AEPVKg

>>261524908

This is what he's talking about, and it just happened 5 minutes ago.

http://pastebin.com/SJgqWymR

>>261524783
one of a dozen journalists who wrote the same article about how gamers are horrible people who hate women.

she's irrelevant now though, leave it alone.

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>>261525531

keep giving me tears.

Reminder that anyone who describes themself as a gamer is a fucking casual retard.

This has been a rule since video games were invented.

>>261525346
It's not that he wants to be an opressed woman. He just wants to be a woman. Preferably, he would like to be his sister, but at this point, he would likely take anything he can get.

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>>261525251

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>>261524813
DON'T FORGET TO STRUCTURE YOUR TWEETS CAREFULLY
MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU'RE STATING TWO THINGS

1. You don't want SJWs/Journalists/Extremists to use your ethnicity/nationality/gender/etc. as your shield
2. You are in support of #GamerGate

BE FUCKING CAREFUL WITH HOW YOU INTEGRATE BOTH HASHTAGS BECAUSE SOMEONE IS GONNA MISINTERPRET YOUR TWEET
THEY'LL THINK THAT YOU DON'T WANT GAMERGATE TO USE YOU AS A SHIELD INSTEAD

IF YOU PUT BOTH HASHTAGS TOGETHER IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE AGAINST #GamerGate
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 120 CHARACTERS OR LESS, REDO YOUR SENTENCE STRUCTURING

>>261525378
>>261525378
>WHAT COLOR DO YA NIGGAS WANT?

green and purple

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Holy shit tumblr doxxed that fappening hacker, he hacked Zoe Quinn too!

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I LOVE YOU ZOE QUINN!

>>261525409
>get a consolidated website because events/people/evidence/infographs is growing larger as more and more people come to support
>interpret this as a bad thing

>>261525571
>expecting brain activity from the guy who added memes to borderlands

>>261524835

So Iron Backhand is just an anon shilling for himself? You're just as bad as Boogie, trying to capitalize on all this to get more ebucks or some shit

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>>261524835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7aUT13qtM

>THE PROPHECY IS REAL!!!!!!
THE PROPHECY IS REAL!!!!!!
>THE PROPHECY IS REAL!!!!!!
THE PROPHECY IS REAL!!!!!!
>THE PROPHECY IS REAL!!!!!!

My shit = Totally lost.

Behold the dawning of a new era, /v/.

>Team Silverstring pursued Lu Bu

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>>261525174
SPACESHIP

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>>261524878

>and to think I shilled Zoe Quinn's games for free

With someone (possibly Zoe) posting all that serial killer tier shit in the other thread (with the printed posts and connections), I wonder if there is any incriminating exif data in the images? They use a default name like they've come directly out of a digital camera...

>>261525386
He's the unfunny guy on "Hey Ash Whatcha' Playing"

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>>261525005
For you

>>261525571
People buy and enjoy games written by this fuck
It is almost fucking unfathomable

>>261525143
Thank you based anon.

>>261525571
Might wanna be careful with this. He's either tricking you or is a real life retard.

>>261525571
Is he a fucking idiot?

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>>261525583
He called us parasites and vows to stop making his games! Ensure they aren't on Kickstarters/IndieGoGo/Steam Greenlight

So how many of these threads do we go through a day, anyway?

>>261525613
I'm a gamer in the same way people who like books are readers. Now kindly suck my cock.

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reminder
http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/96296268548/ideals

>>261525658
hey Phil

>>261525656
oaml yyya

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>some Borderlands writer says his close friend reviewed his DLC

Why are we not unto whomever did that then? He blatantly gave away his friend.

>>261524664
>MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE
MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE
>MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE
MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE
>MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE

It's late but we need to get this plan set up along with an easy to follow image guide for the normalfags if necessary. This is one opportunity we can't pass up to cripple these hypocrites.

>>261525772
"Are you one of the Game Grumps or something?"

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>>261525451

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>>261525571
>HIS BRAIN DOES NOT WORK AS WELL AS OTHER HUMANS
You think?

>Captcha: Equity sIn

>>261525143

It better not interfere with my Nintendo Direct tomorrow

>>261525571

He's not a game journalist... is it unethical for someone involved with the development of games to make efforts to prevent corruption/nepotism in journalism?

>>261525390

Based

Now I wanna see if his buddy Tolkien has great quotes like that.

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So how will this whole thing finally end? What kind of happenings will signal ultimate victory/defeat?

>>261524873
4chan is a single elite hacker according to the ignorant.

>>261525656
fuck off lowtax

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This is probably the thread for GG.

We need people versed in proper Wikipedia ettiquite (ie. not retards thinking they're helping by mindless making edits on pages).

Currently many of these pages lack criticism because the sources are sites as "not reliable".

Meanwhile they use sources like gamasutra, one of the non-reliable sources we've identified.

This isn't a call to everyone, wikipedia is heavily regulated, but it's not imperfect. But currently one side has been pushing an agenda and has had little opposition.

All it needs is more opposition so that individual complains can't be so easily silenced by hypocritical consensus.

I really don't know who Laci Green is, she's not important. It's just the first article I came across to show hypocritical wikipedia actions and why it's possible to have an impact there.

So Zoe is starting an organisation to 'provide resources & outreach to victims of online hate mobs run by survivors of them'.

We need to pay this some serious attention. Once they form some sort of nebulous entity specifically focused on targeting us, they'll have power. Nevermind that we aren't a hate mob, their very existence will paint us as one.

So what can we do? We need facts and legal expertise in this area, to defend us. In this arena, people like Camera Lady (the autistic woman who has dug up an absolute goldmine of information on our enemies in this) and Lawfag are our best assets.

Do not dismiss their latest move, friends. It is a calculated one.

>>261524783

She seemed to either was fired or resigned over the bias or something since her twitter account changed from saying she was a writer to ex-writer. Haven't seen anything more official than that so not sure whether that's even real.

>>261525791
>we can stop making games for you
HOLY FUCK THAT'S LIKE MY DREAM

PLEASE STOP MAKING YOUR SHITTY GAMES

>>261525005

It'll be fine
Vivian wasn't drawn by us right? The image that gets posted the most of her I mean (official pic)

She'll be brought more in line

Personally I'd have her downvote and upvote hairpins a little more stylized, maybe change her hair to twintails and give her ZR

A coat and skirt, with regular boots, instead of the futuristic looking thing.

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>>261525251

>>261525482
OBVIOUSLY he's looking for attention! And I think we should give it to him.

No, we do NOT ignore this, because ignoring this says we only pick fights on certain individuals.

HE'S THE PERFECT FUCKING TARGET

Not only did he JUST ADMIT THIS SHIT, but he can't hide behind the "I'm a female" shield like the other have!

>>261525453
The thing is, we still need to look into this.

If it turns out that they've already disclosed they were friends during the interview, no problem. If they've already disclosed they knew the people closely working on the game, no problem.

But if not, THEN IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.

>>261524936
this guy edgy level 100

>>261525791
Who?

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>>261525251
How the hell did we not know about this before?

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>>261525819
tfw I never see edits of this

>>261525772
He seems like someone who would buy followers.

>>261525067
Based fucking Mark Ceb.

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>>261525772
Is this guy for real?

Fuck... he's pissing me off. I wanna yell at him via twitter now :(

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>>261525054
This dude craves attention.
He threw his sister under the bus for no reason.

Either keep giving him the
>who r u?
Or just leave him alone.

>>261525251
Why would he say that?
Holy shit is this guy retarded?

>>261525402
Someone record and add recording to OP when it happens.

>>261525791
what an unbelievable egomaniac

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>>261525251
>WHY IS NOBODY COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS INFORMATION NOBODY KNEW ABOUT

Good job, you donut

>>261525896
She also threw a giant tantrum

>>261525875
Who cares, just ride the lightning for now

You know who has been suspiciously silent in all this shit? PA. I know they're not as blindly retarded as most SJWs. The writer is left-ish but not full blind retard, and the artist is a decent guy sometimes. They bowed over the dickwolves thing, but the artist was mad as hell about it and it'd be interesting to see how they'd react to this situation, which is much more serious.

If they made a real statement they'd finally have to choose between the writer's politics / admitting they've sold themselves, or supporting the people that gave them what they have. Their comics haven't always been good and it seems they've gotten more casual over the years, but they're still an icon to people. They could either be a huge morale booster or piss off their own userbase and wreck themselves.

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>>261525174
Soon-to-be-published game dev reporting in. My first published title may or may not be a cooperative effort involving a vocal SJW

>>261525607
This. Further pursuing her will only make the narrative that Gamergate supported are just angry bitter misogynist virgins. We need to re-focus on other targets.

>>261524936
what'd you say about me you little bitch i'll have you know

>>261525875
With the seas boiling and the skies burning and the air turning to ash.

>>261525791
What games did he even make

>>261525251
Be really careful on this, could be a trap.

>>261524783
>Jenn
You mean Jenn Frank?

You mean the writer that's connected to nearly every single one of the August 28th Gamerpocalypse articles and Maya Felix Kramer?

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>>261525650
AIGHT NIGGA I GOT A GREEN ONE RIGHT FUCKING HERE


FUCKING STOP POSTING AND CHEERING ABOUT JENN FRANK GETTING WHAT SHE DESERVES ON TWITTER

WE'RE NOT FUCKING DONE WITH OUR MISSION YET
THIS WAS ONLY A SMALL SKIRMISH VICTORY

THE SJWS AND JOURNALISTS ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS REACTION TO SPIN A STORY ABOUT HOW THE "MISOGYNERD GAMERS"
GOT A WOMAN FIRED OUT OF SPITE FOR BEING A WOMAN

THIS IS JUST GIVING THEM MORE AMMO TO USE
DON'T GIVE THEM ANY FUCKING AMMO

IF SHE REALLY WANTS TO BEGIN SUPPORTING #GamerGate THEN JUST FUCKING LET HER
MONITOR HER IF YOU WANT JUST DON'T FUCKING BOTHER HER ANY FURTHER

INSTEAD OF CELEBRATIONS JUST CONTINUE ON AS NORMAL AND BE NEUTRAL ABOUT HER BEING FIRED
WE HAVE MUCH BIGGER FISH TO FUCK UP ANYWAYS

>>261525981
People reply this to him

How do I view previous episodes of The Ed Morissey Show? I want to be able to watch it if I miss the Adam Balwdin/Interenet Aristocrat episode tomorrow.

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>>261525251
I couldn't resist

>>261525571
If I didn't saw shit like this earlier >>261525851 I whould never belive this tweet

>>261525904
Seriously. The world will go on turning without his shitty javascript games (I shit you not, he's a web game "developer").

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>>261525251
>So don't pretend "oh wow thanks for letting us know! We just hadn't gotten around to it" as if you weren't busy harrassing women exclusively

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>>261525605
>>261525339
>that Kite Tales video at the beginning
Fugg...

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we were to late she is death

>>261525814

stay casual nigger

>>261525861
admitting that you had journalist friends give your stuff good reviews long after it happened is not preventing anything, except accidentally by getting your friends into potentially deep shit

>>261521634
I was typing this up in response to last thread.

Okay, Anthony Burch is lead writer for Borderlands 2 and all its DLC. Here's a list of Destructoid BL2 reviews by author:

Allistair Pinsof
Borderlands 2 (8.5/10)

Joseph Leray
Captain Scarlett... (8/10)
Mr. Torgue's Campaign... (7/10)
Sir Hammerlock's Big Game Hunt (4.5/10)

Darren Nakamura
How Marcus Saved... (5/10)
Mad Moxxi... (7/10)
Sir Hammerlock Versus... (6/10)
T.K. Baha's Bloody Harvest (5/10)
The Horrible Hunger... (7/10)

Chris Carter
Tiny Tina's Assault... (9/10)

So that's Allistair Pinsof, Joseph Leray, Darren Nakamura, Chris Carter. At least two of those people are close personal friends of Anthony Burch, the WRITER of the content they REVIEWED. I would guess Carter and Leray, since Pinsof only reviewed the base game and Nakamura has only given mediocre reviews. But nonetheless, any and all connections are welcome.

Then we turn this shit into an infographic (his confession + the scores) and plaster it everywhere.

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>>261526023
>Soon-to-be-published game dev reporting in. My first published title may or may not be a cooperative effort involving a vocal SJW

>>261524702

It's gonna be our undoing. You watch.

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>>261525251
How retarded can one man be?

>>261525989

Didn't see that, but sounds believable given the reactions of all these other non-ex-writers are having where it seems like they just can't believe why anyone would care about them acting like shit heads.

>>261525791

literally who

>>261525583

>Unity

Figures

>>261526087
based

>>261526023
They just had to fucking throw their 2 fucking cents in there didn't they.

Anyone on /v/ right now and isn't in this thread and instead talking about "videogames" is cancer and should be purged from this board

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>>261526053
Naw man he is literally retarded, all of his writing consists of memes.

>>261526070
but i wanted both green and purple in 1 dragon!

Who is the protoman of gamergate? Adam sessler? Eric Kain?

>>261525571
Possible trap, caution.

>>261525791
Does he think his shitgames will impact me?

>>261526045
thats what i was trying to find out but when i posted his info and asked for some peopleto help me research the janitors blocked me for "inciting doxxing/raids"

so im oficially done

>>261525904
>>261525924
>>261525975
>>261526045

CHECK >>261525583
From his LinkedIN before he deleted it so we wouldn't know his affiliates

What the fuuuuuuuuuck!? Guys, I'm freaking out at these people:

https://twitter.com/AdamSessler/with_replies

anyone has those tweets where anthony freaks out when he realizes his sister is a better writer than him?

>>261526087
REDDIT WROTE MEMELANDS?

>>261525851
Thats not Ashley Davis, thats Jimmy Fallon in a cameo for gamergate.

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>>261525772
>why didn't you guys do something about this information no one knew about until about 2 minutes ago

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>>261524878

Link: https://twitter.com/TrickyScoops

>>261526161
good work

>>261525390
Based. It's like he predicted this mess

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>>261525191
>"shill"
>Implying that Ledgem gives two shits about 4chan enough to advertise anything there.

Man are you analpained for knowing next to nothing.

>>261525560
I'm pretty shitty at writing officially but somebody should hit that shit up. We need more ammunition.

>gurl gaymers dnt exist
>all sjw are secretly closet fags pretending to be females who dont like tits in games

>>261526223
Weird shit man, was just listening to The Stand.

>>261525889
you called?

>>261526330
top kek

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>>261525875

A shit ton of people getting so fed up they leave the industry as a whole...

That can go both ways.

>>261526161
>that 4.5/10
KEK

>>261526293
That's basically his entire twitter feed

>>261525459

can you enlighten me on what the #NotYourShield thing is? I've been away the past couple of days, sorry.

>>261525960
>He threw his sister under the bus for no reason.

not to derail thread but story?

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>>261526278
>https://twitter.com/AdamSessler/with_replies
I think he's broken

>>261526226
If it isn't true, nothing bad will happen if we do a little checking up on it.

Either it's "Anthony Burch said he had friends write good reviews for him and it turns out that he didn't, oh well, it was weird that he said that"

or

"Anthony Burch is seriously the dumbest man ever to live"


It's well worth pushing on, if it's a "trap" we still have nothing to lose

>>261525251
It looks legit, Borderlands 2 Tiny Tina dlc got a 9/10 from a chris carter

>>261525918
Agreed.

Reminder: Come morning, the #Gamergate threads may be autosaged again. Do not panic.

>>261526045
He makes iOS and html5 games.

>>261525960

What's this shit with his sister? Explain please, sounds interesting.

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>>261526087
Stay based Grey

i wish you were mai waifu, you're qt

>>261526456
specifically, when he talks about the TF2 short

>>261525251
What--Why? Like...this won't even bring focus on him, but on those reviewers.

Even if this is a trick, those reviewers will be picked at and dragged through the mud until something comes up. He fed those reviewers to the wolves.

>>261526485
I miss webb.
She was the real gamer, and we didn't believe her

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>>261525251
So which of these reviewers is Burch throwing under the bus?

>>261525251
Maybe he should suck off people too and "leak" it.

He's obvs glamouring for attention

Adam Baldwin is 52 years old, been married since like 1996 and has 3 kids. He's a successful actor and a very big part of why this hasn't died down.

What have you done with your life? ;_;

>>261526278
>............
is he a child?

>>261525772
I hope everyone keeps pursing the who r u to anthony burch, he might even give us more juicy information

>A long time ago, there was a contest on 1UP.com. “Be a writer for EGM/1UP!” Wow, this is my dream come true! I’m going to win this! All I gotta do is write something!”
>I never entered.
>When the contest was over, I found out a “girl” won. “Pfffft, that’s ridiculous,” I thought.
>I never entered.
>Life continued. I still read everything in every EGM and on 1up.com. It was the coolest! I had a profile, but I never blogged anything. I just consumed all I could, all the while thinking, “I love this stuff! I love writing! This is what I want to do!” I never wrote anything because all I did was ask myself, “Why would anyone care what I think? OR, what if they hated it and thought I was dumb? That’d be horrifying.”
>I never entered.
>I’ve been reading Jenn Frank’s writing since, well, I can’t remember. I enjoy her thoughts and views and how she can get personal in a way I couldn’t even bring myself to say in front of a mirror. I mean, I think all the time of how, “Hey, what I think about _______ would be something I would like to read! Maybe someone else out there might, too!” This is alway met with a big, fat NOPE in the form of self doubt, blah, blah, whatever (I’m doing it right now). Jenn Frank doesn’t do this. She writes fantastic stuff in only a way she can. “Be more like her! Write stuff, you big dummy!”
>I never entered.

>>261525918
But he's mentally ill.

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I'm a little late. Sorry if it's quiet.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0gcCQeuf6ta

>>261525738
For freeeeeeeee.

>>261525772
Oh just fucking ignore him, he's trying to throw his weight around right now.
Treat him like the other attentionwhores we're trying to avoid. At this point he's trying to stay relevant within the gaming industry.

>>261525889
Wikipedia is a joke of its former self.

Let it rot for all I care.

>>261525251
Literally came here just to say that. It is literally considered ok for people to just be like "look how fucking corrupt I am". srsly this guy.

I wanted to like borderlands the pre whatever but then he goes and shows himself to be as bad as the rest

>>261525217
Anthony Burch would love to be in bed with people for positive press but sadly for him most game journalists either don't swing that way or find him physically repulsive.

>>261526173
It sucks, but unfortunately, part of the line of work involves dealing with people you hate otherwise. Besides, it gives me a golden opportunity to beat him at his own game.

>>261525251
All right, I saved them.
http://imgur.com/a/IVTDV

Ay yo, yeye someone mind telling me why the fucking other side do nothing but shoot themselves in the foot ?

Like for fucking real for the past three whole weeks it's been just on mistake after another?

Do they got like some gene problems? Too many or too few chromosomes ? I know that sounds mean but shit it REALY is just one thing after another with these guys

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>>261526178
So just to get you up to speed,

1. Guardian added an update on her article disclosing her relationship

2. Al Jazeera, a very legitimate publication in terms of politics run a neutral story and singled her out as one of the corrupt folks

3. Guardian released another more neutral story.

She's a freelance writer so of course she can't get fired. But I highly highly doubt guardian will ever have her write for them again. Getting criticized by Al Jazeera is pretty big in the UK.

Also, not to mention bunch of SJWers like Ian Cheong, Gori-chan Hernandez, and Patrick klepek were also crying on twitter.

So a pretty definite proof that she's at least kill for the moment.

>>261525791
>>261525791
don't worry about him. he's less than dirt, he is using this as pub

>>261526497
I do not like the hate mob we are being painted as, since #notyourshield started.

>>261526615
All of them.

None of the Borderlands shit deserves over a 4/10.

>>261525848
Not cool, but doesn't even matter, unless you just want to point out that she has a history of lying. Focus on the positive reviews she gave to friends and lovers to make them money.

>>261526087
still mai waifu

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>>261526375

>>261525791
>nothing of value was lost

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nevar forget, anthony burch uses "retarded" in his own games, he's just a fuckstick as he claims to hate

"IF YOU DON’T BUY TORGUE GUNS YOU’RE RETARDED"

Can we start tweeting that to him?

>>261526497

Burch worked at Destructoid before Memelands, it'd be weird if the person who reviewed it for them wasn't a pal of his

>>261524698
Hide thread and don't reply.

>>261525772
>women
And Phil Fish and Devin Faraci and Adam Sessler, Nathan Grayson, Robin Arnott, etc.

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Remember to support the sites that are speaking up, and actually being fucking journalistts.

https://twitter.com/GamesNosh
http://www.gamesnosh.com
https://twitter.com/TechRaptr
http://www.techraptr.net

Both GamesNosh and TechRaptor have more than doubled their twitter followers since this whole thing started. Both of them have now passed the 1k mark, and they both are looking for more writers.

Reminder that the best way to break down the old guard is to fund the new guard; most of the AAA companies do not give a shit about politics, and will go where the money is. If by supplying news and advanced copies to these sites will benefit them, then they will give them their support.

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>IMPORTANT
IMPORTANT
>IMPORTANT

Destiny will be released on September 9th five days from now, and they will look to the major gaming sites to advertise this. IF WE WANT TO DEAL A CRIPPLING BLOW TO THE JOURNALIST SITES NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. If we spread to regular people to avoid the major game sites on September 9th and a few days after that they will *feel* the loss from ad revenue. We need to spread this as quickly as possible to increase the chance of this happening and it doesn't take much effort. Get to your stations soldiers, and keep fighting the good fight.

>>261526615
probably one of the 7 8 or 9s.
Theres only three people to choose from, so it shouldn't be too hard

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It's like that tranny Devi Ever who tried to suck up to us, but only made it worse by babbling about the IGF Awards.

She has no money and is a complete fucking mess.
And guess who she gives money to?

It's a cult. Or a drug-selling operation using Patreon to launder money.

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CALL OUT HARASSMENT ON TWITTER

https://twitter.com/jennatar/status/507377392344891392

JENN IS STILL BEING HARASSED IN MENTIONS. CALL OUT THE HARASSERS DIRECTLY IN THE #GAMERGATE TAG.

JENN HAS RECANTED A BIT AND ADMITTED THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH NEPOTISM IN THE GAMING INDUSTRY. SHE MAY HAVE INSIGHT TO BRING TO THE TABLE.

SJWS HAVE A BONER FROM HER AND THEY'LL BE OUT FOR BLOOD. DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY MORE AMMUNITION.

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>>261525583
>University of Newcastle
>Qantm College

>mfw retard couldn't get into UNSW/USyd

>>261526741
oh h-hello skeleton

>>261526663
>A few months ago, Jenn Frank was on Patrick Klepek & Alex Navarro’s morning podcast thing. Someone brought up how she “got into the industry.” She won a contest on 1up.com that entered where the prize was to become a writer for EGM/1UP. This means she wrote something, entered it, and beat out several others. It was her writing that got her to win.
>I nev… (Okay, you get it… But, do you?)
>My jaw dropped. My eyes opened wide. JENN FRANK was the “girl” that won that contest! I had forgotten all about that contest! I had forgotten how I felt when I found out a girl had won. Obviously, I’ve grown up (try it, internet), and I know that anyone can do anything. But man, it was JENN FRANK?!? I’ve been reading her stuff forever! How did I never put this all together?!
>I was never going to tell this story to anyone because I was ashamed of how I felt back then. Oh, and because I’d probably have to write about it… But recent events have made me want to.
>I never entered, but she did. That makes her better than me, and probably better than you. What have you achieved? Not just because she won, but because of the courage to do it. The self confidence to do it. And all of that to keep going! Until now. So thanks for being so jealous, hateful, and absurd and ruining a good thing, internet.
>You didn’t enter either.

http://ballsy-goddamn-hero.tumblr.com/post/96595500055/i-hope-she-gets-another-1up

captcha: becalmo nerves

>>261525791
Why do these people, when they feel backed up in a corner, have to resort to some serious fucking ad hominem name calling and boil down to mindless bitching

>oh fuck I'm losing the argument
>WELL FUCK YOU GUYS YOU ENTITLED PIECES OF SHIT I HOPE YOU ALL DIE FUCKING GAMERS ARE THE WORST FUCKING PEOPLE ON THE FUCKING PLANET FUCKING VIRGIN NECKBEARD MANBABIES

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I'm probably going to be called a shill for this but

>>261524039

I'm concerned. We have to warn anons to avoid Zoe. She is going to use this new charity to draw attention to herself and court attackers.

It would be a way for her to draw attention back to herself. She knows about what she did in the past, doxing people and so forth. She expects people to attack her, thereby creating a situation similar to TFYC ("I was just trying to help people but look at how they are attacking me wah!"). I know she is also just trying to profit off all this shit as well but I'm worried she will try and change the narrative and try and pit everyone against us again. She will try and use all the raids and shit 4chan did in the past as well. Part of me wonders if we should start our own or find a legit charity that deals with this sort of thing and push/back them.

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>>261526558

Is that how they did it in the anime

Hnnn why is she so cute

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done.

Thoughts?
http://youtu.be/wbQk5YqjO0E

>>261526472
The SJW are grouping everybody pro-gamergate as "white-cis-male mysoginists" and that the journos are defending their kind. #NotYourShield is minorities calling them on their bullshit that they don't represent them and grouping them as MRA is fucking stupid

>>261526107
do these people think us gamers actually play html and flash games?

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Just reply to Anthony

>Are you asking why nobody complained about this info nobody knew about until two minutes ago?

CRASHING THIS INDUSTRY
WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>261526741
Hello mr spider skeleton

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>>261526710
>It sucks, but unfortunately, part of the line of work involves dealing with people you hate otherwise.
I know that feel, broseidon. A sad fact of life

Stay strong mah nigga

>>261526087
What the fuck is with all those fuckers using anime avatars.

Are they doing it to try to make me hate anime? Is that their next target after vidya?

>>261526719
They are unprofessional twenty somethings who have never worked a real job in their lives. They have no concept of restraint or discipline, it's all about them and their egos.

Jenn Frank taps out from writing about games

https://storify.com/JJJJQQQQ/jenn-frank

>>261525251
>This has never been mentioned by #gamergate

Maybe because it wasn't disclosed at the time, which is kind of, you know, THE WHOLE FUCKING ISSUE YOU MORON!

Great thinking there though, Burch.
>Everybody's talking about the victims of this spree shooting, but nobody mentions the three bodies I've had in my basement since last year!

>>261526706
Anthony Burch has enough trouble getting in bed with his own wife

>>261526615

he said 2 DLCs right? So it's gotta be the top 2

>>261525251
he's either really confident or really stupid.

So.

#notyourshield

is REALLY fucking taking off on their own.

Can anyone see any reason why pic related and this: http://i.imgur.com/RCMbdwB.jpg

Isn't newsworthy to some of the less shitty sites? This is a SERIOUS call to journalists. With people putting their identities on the line.

I'm going to start emailing so we can see a piece hit before the weekend.

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>>261526864
OH SHIT, ITS TIME

>>261525895
Fuck off Chelsea

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>>261526035
>In all fairness, she is a fucking liar.
>I followed the whole thing.
>First, no disclosure.
>Then, a disclosure that contained a lie.
>Then, a disclosure that told the truth, albeit snarkily.
>Then, she wrote that The Guardian's lawyers and editors don't care about their own ethics policies on her own website.
>Then she claimed it was an op-ed.
>Then she claimed, in the comments, that she didn't know Maya Kramer, which is also a lie.
>Are you seeing a pattern here?

Yah I did the infographics (series of 3). It annoyed me enough to call me to action.So I saw it.

If she wants to write a biased piece supporting her side, go be a blogger and use twitlonger. Don't put a vicious attack piece accusing us of not *actually* caring about ethics in an article where you have 3 separate conflicts of interest... in the Guardian.

I wasn't going to let that stand.

If she retracted the article or said "you know what, I'm completely biased for this side to the point where I won't even research the other side to get their argument right" in huge red letters at the top... I might have been less pissed.

But she didn't.

Still feel bad for her though.

>>261526864
Holy shit it's actually Boogie

>>261524783
Apart from the stuff other two anons said do not harass, do not engage. If you are forced to or fall into a trap remember the basics:

- She will be fine as she was making more money off Patreon than freelance work like what she had with The Guardian. It's Freelance, they just cut her loose. Happens when editors don't feel you're worth the heat at the moment. She will NOT be hurt financially by this. Her livelihood is safe. If they really do like her so much they are free to personally support her Patreon.

- You are after corruption in gaming media. You only want to get rid of the people who are hurting gaming journalism. Do not play up her corruption as you will lose as they focus on it being OP/ED or whatever. If she is innocent then it has nothing to do with her. Focus on money. Money talks, bullshit walks.

- If a journalist bitches at you about this, stick to the financial argument. Patreon is their friend. Right now there are thousands of people who simply want good, honest journalism. If they feel they can provide that, tell them to step up, take a chance, and realize that we're HUNGRY for it. Make them your allies. The more journos on our side the more we better we can prove our point and the better chances we have of getting devs who can't say shit right now.

Do NOT harass.
Do NOT be a sperg.
Do NOT piss off or silence journos worried about their livelihood. We need the ones who aren't corrupt regardless of political spectrum to prove our point. If the corruption runs deep then they have ALL suffered from it. If we can get one on our side others should flock too and paint the narrative that we're for them in a way the industry cannot compete with. Keep an eye on her just in case - remember that it's entirely possible she'll just openly join the indie group. It would complete our corruption angle if she does so if we play this right then no matter WHAT happens with Frank it's win/win.

>>261526615
Burch is still a faggot, but it's the reviewer's job to disclose this shit.

>>261526668
This is great. Kudos anon.

Does anyone have the GLOBAL SATURATION comic with the mom?

>>261526345
thats what you think Mr. Bones.

>>261526793
He'll just back out of it and say he doesn't like the way he wrote things
Like he has every other time stupid shit like this was pointed out

>>261526936
>>261526936
Its not his wife, its jimmy fallon.

>>261525571
I do not get how someone gets this dumb. I am doing what I can to show on #gamergate how normal corruption is, that he feels he can go and do something like that and no one will care

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>>261526864
>http://youtu.be/wbQk5YqjO0E
Listening

>>261526803
Still should disclose it though. That's what this is all about. Just put "Note: I am friends with one of the writers of this game, Anthony Burch."

>>261526741
S-shit what element do I use against spider-Skeletons?

Guys! in that false flag video with the guy and all the post on a board. In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b--zcgkJqoE&index=2&list=UU8SLCnj3evjpFeTYLF1IFSA he has uploaded at the very beginning if you pause it it says "Dear FYAD".

This is just weird twitter trying to stir more shit up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotaku#History

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>>261525251
Well shit

Thank you Anthony? For, you know, proving everyone's point on this whole corruption thing.
Good job admitting it I guess

I'm baffled as to how he thought that was a good idea, but yeah, sure.

>>261526864
Watching.

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This guy

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>>261526668
Are you Solid Snake pretending to be Wesker?

Then again, I haven't played an RE game in a long time. Good work, anon.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SIMULATOR?

>>261526835
Fuck off, Jenn. Nobody is "harassing" you.

Zoe's got a new tactic for damage control. She's going to get a bunch of women and minorities to add their voice to the cry of victimization, so that a lot of the heat is taken off of her no matter how scandal and controversy pans out.

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Reposting from old thread
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8lCWUxjpxU

>>261525875

Personally I would consider it a success if sites like Kotaku adopted ethics policies such as what Techraptor did, and fired the offending writers involved in the recent scandal.

The idea that you could have a clear conflict of interest presented that would get people fired elsewhere fairly easily, yet just be allowed to stay on there at Kotaku is just ridiculous, and seems like the sort of disrespect for readers that we are against.

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>>261524783
Zoe made her lose her job.
And she still supports her on Patreon.

It's like that tranny Devi Ever who tried to suck up to us, but only made it worse by babbling about the IGF Awards.

She has no money and is a complete fucking mess. And guess who she gives money to?

It's a cult. Or a drug-selling operation using Patreon to launder money.

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>>261525696
>Ledgem
>Shill

Yeah, the only person on the face of the planet who refuses to cashgrab anything or even expose their gender/race is a shill.

>Tell me more about how you're not Zoe/silverstring doing damage control.

>>261526864
oh fug

>>261526741
hello mr exoskeleton

>>261525390
And it took a god fearing man like based Lewis to say that!

>>261527047

well yeah, that's what's going to fuck him in the ass here

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>>261526864
based booger

>>261526303
figuratively

bear witness to one of the most powerful burns ever delivered on the internet, aimed directly at Anthony Burch

RIP Ryan Davis, taken from us too soon by Bacon Double Cheeseburgers

I think he's smiling down on us from heaven though

>>261525889
be specific in what you want

>>261526615
>>261526761
>>261526825

LOOK FOR ANYTHING INVOLVING THE DLC. THE MAIN GAME ISN'T, at this time, OF IMPORTANCE.

ANTHONY BURCH ALREADY OUTED TWO REVIEWERS, SO LOOK FOR DLC REVIEWS AND FIND TWO REVIEWERS HE HAS TIES TO.

IF WE CAN FIND THAT, THEN WE CAN ALSO FIND FURTHER INFORMATION ON THESE JOURNALISTS ANTHONY BURCH JUST RATTED OUT


THANK YOU ANTHONY BURCH FOR THIS HOT TIP!!!!!

>>261526864
I'll watch it immediately
Notice me, senpai

>>261526864

BOOGIE CHAN YOU CAME

ALSO I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS PLEASE NEVER STOP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lANYGPVTA-k&list=UU1wdop56K-ORxh37G6-fs7A

Is it already noted that Pat is on our side?