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What is the best Genesis Sonic game?

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What is the best Genesis Sonic game?
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CD, although 3&K is fucking huge.
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>>258948547
Pinball
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Sonic 2>3&K>CD>1>Knuckles>3
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CD, particularly the version with Spencer Nilsen's soundtrack.
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>>258948547
>Genesis
>CD
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>>258948835
It's Spinball you fucking pleb.
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3D Blast.
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>>258948547
3&K
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Sonic CD>2>3&K>3>1>Knuckles>Shit>3D>Spinball
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In order:

>Sonic 3 & Knuckles
>Sonic the Hedgehog 2
>Sonic CD
>Sonic 3 = Sonic and Knuckles
>Sonic the Hedgehog
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>>258948547
Sonic CD no doubt
It was the smoothest and i loved that spring jump spin and also metal sonic is cool design
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>>258949915
Don't forget about the soundtrack
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>>258948547
I think Invisible Touch was pretty good.
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>>258950029
Quarts Quadrant jp is so Sonic i love it

Us tidal tempest was better though
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Haven't played them in 18 years but I loved CD the most when I was a kid.
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>>258950040

>being a phil collinsfag
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Sonic CD best.
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>>258948725
>>258948547
>>258948984
>>258949668
>>258950520
SONIC PENIS HOG CD NIGGIE
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>>258950494
Well if Peter Gabriel was so good why didn't he stick with Genesis?
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>>258949668
>>258948981
>2 over 3&K
Care to explain why? I'm genuinely curious.
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>>258950040
I Think I like land of confusion a bit more
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3&K will always be my favorite. 1 and 2 are more challenging definitely but 3&K combined just come out as this huge adventure for me, I absolutely love it.
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>>258950494
if this were real.... I think I would very likely weep with joy. An Atlus game based on TLLDOB would make my dick perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure.
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>>258950432
Agreed. Personal favorite is jp Metallic Madness present
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>>258950723
Because Genesis wasn't.
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>all this love for CD

Am I dreaming or is this bizarro /v/?
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>>258948547
3&K by far.
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Sonic 3 and Knuckles is the best and you know it.
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>>258950767
>vast improvement from the first one by adding 2 player, spin dash, better special stages.
>Didn't need the lock on gimmick to be a complete game (though knuckles in sonic was awesome) like sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles had to. sonic 3 > sonic and knuckles
>level design wasn't fuck sides like in CD. amy and the both the Jap/murrican soundtracks were the only good things from CD
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>>258948725
CD was a mess.
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>>258952363
>gets asked why 2 is better than S3&K
>explains why 2 is better than 1 and CD instead
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Sonic Triple Trouble for Game Gear
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>>258952303
I think I have issues when the first thing I notice in that pic are the Sonic Advance modern versions of the characters, on an article talking about the classic series.

They do look cute and marketable though.
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SONIC ADVENTURE 2 BITCH
SONIC ADVENTURE2
YEAH BIIIIIIIITCH
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>>258953485
It's the first thing I noticed too, you're not alone with your autism
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Sonic 3&K is my favorite game of all time.
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>>258952797
>Didn't need the lock on gimmick to be a complete game
>Didn't need the lock on gimmick to be a complete game
>Didn't need the lock on gimmick to be a complete game
>Needing TWO games for the complete experience

Also didn't help that both S3 and S&K had less levels than S2.
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>>258950767
The barrel.
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sonic 1 had unique physics but was made like a standard platformer

sonic 2 adds spin dash and makes the levels around the speed

sonic 3 has knuckles which is cool but adds too many gimmicks

sonic cd's levels are nonsensical really bitchin music tho
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>>258952363

3&K's levels were huge in comparison to 2, so much that one cartridge couldn't fit it.
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>>258954457
>Being poor
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>>258949149
Sonic CD plays on one of the Genesis' tumors. It's a Genesis game.
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>>258954562
Am I the only person who never had any trouble with the barrel?
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>>258954901
>wasting your parents money
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CD a shit.
The level design is a mess, most of the levels are just remakes of Sonic 1's, the time travel gimmick is annoying and horribly implemented due to the levels are based on exploration, instead of speed, which the time travel is based upon.
The only good thing is the special stages, cutscenes, and music.
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>>258955230

I was stuck on that for 2 years.
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>tfw knowing what Sonic has become
>tfw you are ashamed for considering yourself a sonic fan
>tfw you can type any name and "the hedgehog" into google and something unspeakable will appear
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>>258948547
Sonic CD for the groovy music, time travel, and memorable levels.
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>>258955770
it's alright, man. He had some good games. That's what we're into.
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>>258955853

I love you guys
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>>258956130

no homo
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>>258955620
This is the most retarded post

>most of the levels were remakes of tge first game
On what planet
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>>258948547
Sonic CD (Recent PC Port)>Sonic 3&Knuckles>Sonic 2>Sonic CD>Sonic 1

Sonic 1 is still good.
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>>258956514
I can't really put my finger as on why, but I find more fun playing through Sonic 1 than 2 and 3&K, maybe because of their longevity and weird pace.
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>>258956429
>Palmtree Panic
>Green Hill
>Tidal Tempest
>Labyrinth
>Stardust Speedway
>Starlight
>Metallic Madness
>Scrap Brain

Just because your precious Sonic CD gets criticized doesn't mean you have to go damage control.
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It sucks that the remakes of sonic 1 and 2 Taxman made aren't on PC, everything is so much crisper on those versions.
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>>258955770
I really shouldn't like Sonic but there's something about the carefree/surreal spirit of Sonic's games (Save 2006 fuck that) that I love despite the wavering quality of his damn games. Even the fangames like LakeFepard's shit seem to carry that feeling.

Then Boom happened and I don't know how to feel anymore. It's so awful I can;t even look at it.
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I'd say 2 has the most consistent quality but 3&K probably wins overall but honestly I feel that's cheating because it's basically two games and the amount of content is a large part of why people like it
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>>258955770
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>>258948547
Sonic G
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Sonic Spinball. And you fucking know it.
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>>258954457
>refuses to talk about S3&K as a whole
>only brings up an arbitrary and irrelevant distaste for the original means of play

So what you're saying is that you have nothing?
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>>258958075 (samefagging here)
dat soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdxm24dtI9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vicY7PmAL0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGWSijvWxFI
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>>258958386
based genesis fartcore
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I'm actually in the middle of playing through Sonic CD. It's a great game, but the gameplay's so different that I wouldn't directly compare it to Sonic 1/2/3.
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>>258958827
Nigga i bet you wouldn't even let a bitch fart in front of you
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>>258958386
>options menu music
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>>258955692
Me too.

I only played as Knuckles for years because I'd always end my run at the barrel.

When I finally got past it by calling the Sega Helpline my dick exploded over the rest of 3&K.
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>>258957156
Taxman what?
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>>258960519
>doesn't know who Taxman is
nigga please
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>>258958350
Because judging it as a whole is like judge games with expansion packs as wholes which is exactly what sonic and knuckles was. As the "whole package", it was better sonic 2 by making tails more useful, adding knuckles as well as a new assortment of shields with different, etc. is your ego satisfied?
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S3&K is literally a perfect game.
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>>258961318
Different properties*
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>>258961060
Oh I played his Sonic CD version on my iPhone this morning, didn't realize that was his name.

I'm gonna look into the other remakes now.
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>>258961318

the shield abilities were shit though and got in the way
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Sonic 3&K is the only correct answer. It also is the last acceptable sonic game you can enjoy without being a man child.
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>>258950767
The levels in 2 are better designed.
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>>258961834
After Mystic Cave Zone the design quality goes down hill pretty badly
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>>258961834
Three had the awesome stage transitions that wove all the levels together, especially the lava levels to crystal hnnng.
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>>258961642
>Fire Shield made you immune to fire
>Useful as fuck vs the Angel Island boss and absolutely indispensable in Lava Reef, not to mention the air burst move was fucking awesome
>Bubble Shield let you breathe underwater
>Absolutely indispensable for Hydrocity
>The bounce was kinda useless
>Lightning Shield
>Attracts rings right to you and the double jump was great and hella useful
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>>258961318
Who the fuck DOESN'T count S3&K as one game? I don't give a shit about how Sonic 3 or Sonic and Knuckles play standalone. The intention was for them to be one whole game anyways, which is why the fucking lock-on was even a thing.

I'm sorry that you're just too autistic to recognize S3&K as a whole but that's not my problem, retard.
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>>258961823
>liking sonic games of any kind
>not looking like a man child

I see delusions come in many shades with sonicfags.
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>>258961834
wow no
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>>258961967
Mystic Cave level is THE level that makes me not want to play Sonic 2. Also runner up is the techno level towards the end.

In Sonic 1 - fuck Labyrinth zone you scare me so much.

In Sonic 3&K it goes to Sandopolis Act 2, being inside the pyramid. Actually a lot of Act 1 and 2s were different level themes compared to the other games.
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>>258962297
Bounce lets you get a free hit on spikes and the electric floors in Death Egg,. More useful than that "Fire charge straight into a pit during Flying Battery".

SHAME THERE"S NO WATER IN SONIC AND KNUCKLES
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>>258961967
Oil Ocean is a decent zone if you ask me.
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Why was Sonic CD so HUGE compared to the other retro Sonic games? Each level had 3 variants and shit.

Jesus, man. CD was such a awesome concept.
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>>258962636
Mystic Cave was whatever.

Fucking Oil Ocean makes me uuuuuuugh.

Also holy shit why does that one stage have 3 zones fuck those star fish holy fuck.
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>>258962443
Sorry you were never able to enjoy Sonic in its golden years Anon.
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>>258962741
>Bounce lets you get a free hit on spikes and the electric floors in Death Egg
Holy shit what?
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>>258955620
Sonic CD is based on exploration thus making it the hardest Sonic to complete. Sonic CD is easy to beat but really freaking hard to complete.

Also, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is STILL the best platformer around. There's just no contest. It nails pretty much everything extremely well. I honestly can't name a single bad thing about the damn game. Like another anon said, it's basically a perfect game.
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>>258962795
I try to love CD but I can't play it carefree because it is so god damn hard trying to go to the past to blow up those fuckin things and if you miss one then the whole game feels like a waste.
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>>258963126
You forgot S3&K has a god like ost
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3 and knuckles
Sonic cd in second place. CD had by far the best artstyle and music, I just wish the boss fights were better.
Also dat time travel holy shit
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>>258963126
>I honestly can't name a single bad thing about the damn game
See
>>258962629

But other than that, perfection.
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>>258963045
Yeah please explai.
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>>258952764
Yeah, but it's atmosphere and concept are unforgettable.

Timetravelling, seeing the horrible future scar your childhood, reset the game in terror from the deathly eggman boss music and gameover etc.

gitting gud and making a Good future by going back to the past and making it great again was rewarding as fuck.

I'd really wish there was a new Sonic CD style sonic with 3+Knuckles level design along with the time periods.

Those trees had nightmarish designs.
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>>258963276
The only hard part about those objects was being 9 years old or whatever and trying to figure out what the hell to do.
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>want to play Sonic 2 (the greatest Sonic game ever made)
>remember Metropolis Zone acts 1, 2 and 3

Stage music is awesome but those fucking starfish who shoot spikes are the worst.
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>>258958075
A wonderful game, I agree
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>>258962342
Only retards willingly to pay for two parts of the same games, good thing I never for that trap and got shit like comix zone, ristar dynamite headdy vector man. But please, continue to justify buying jigsaw pieces, my inept chum.
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>>258963518
It was just that ONE part.

That one SINGLE part.

Every other barrel you could jump on to get passed, or it would move on it's own and you just had to move at the right time.

BUT NOT THIS ONE. NOPE. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING THE GAME HAS TAUGHT YOU OR THAT HAS BEEN TRUE THE ENTIRE. FUCKING. GAME. IS OUT THE WINDOW.
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Sonic 3 & Knuckles, if the lock-on counts as one game. I have plenty of nostalgia for Sonic 2, and in fact, I didn't get a chance to play Sonic 3 until much later in my teen years. Still, Sonic 2 has some terrible problems that can't be ignored:

>Way too fucking long for a game that lacks any back-up battery or password system. This is considering they even cut some zones from the game before final release. Apparently it was going to be even longer.

>Special stages are really unfair. At least the special stages in Sonic 3 are actually beatable without ridiculous amounts of rote memorization. Sonic 2 doesn't give you enough opportunities to repeat the special stages if you fail, whereas you replay them in Sonic 3 at any time.

>Fucking Metropolis Zone with three fucking acts.
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>>258963697
blah blah blah, DLC, blah blah blah. examples.
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>>258958075
Amazing soundtrack.
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>>258962741
>>258963045
>>258963421
I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BOUNCE NOW.
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>>258952303
Where's the other page?
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>>258963045
>>258963421
>Electric floors

Sorry I was thinking of the electric shield (It grants you immunity to the floors on Death Egg). I meant the bounce can negate spiked enemies without hurting Sonic.
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>>258963835
Metropolis Zone was such a fucking butchery.
>Clear the rest of the game flawlessly
>Get shit on by every sort of trap and bullshit enemy in Metropolis.
I think it even had the hardest boss in the Genesis series.
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>>258964357
I never did beat that fucking boss. The part where he shot lasers always killed me.
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I know handhelds weren't mentioned, but Sonic 2 for GG and SMS was actually my favorite game in the series. There's something charming about the level design, even though boss fights are extremely unfair due to boss stages having absolutely no rings available. I imagine most people got a Game Over as soon as they made it to Green Hills Act 3. If not, the Scrambled Egg Act 2 probably finished them off.
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>>258962934
Better to dodge a bullet and miss a few moments of bliss that to end up like some poor shmoo on deviantart. The snes had a better line up of games. Genesis had great games, but the snes was a better investment in longevity both in quantity and quality
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If we're counting 3&K as one game, Sonic 3&K > Sonic 2 > Sonic CD > Sonic 1
Sonic 2 is really hurt by its lack of a password or save system.
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>>258964764
Vectorman is really fucking hard.

I played it like 2 weeks ago and I couldn't beat the first boss of the first level in the first fucking game.
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>>258963276
>>258963790
I actually figured that out on my own through intuition. I realized that some barrels didn't move while some did. With the barrels I pressed up and down to see if it did anything and it worked. And this one had no other way out. So, I figured the barrel had to be moved up and down enough. Lo and behold, I was right. So, I didn't have much trouble there.
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>>258964746

Play it on the Master System bro, it's much better there. Great game, can't believe like Sonic CD over it. Sonic 2/3&K are still better though.
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>>258964746
Y'know, I don't know anything about the handheld games. Are they any good?
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>>258965032
Everyone else I know, and myself, got passed it by jumping and timing those jumps to make it bounce up and down higher and lower until you could get under it.
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>>258965191

Sonic 1 and 2 for the Game Gear/Master System are legit entries are are very well done. Play it on a MS emulator and have a blast.
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>>258964746
Sonic 2 GG pissed me off so much. Why was that mine cart level so much harder than the rest of the game? Especially that stupid boss.
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As someone who grew up with the first three and recently played CD...CD totally wins out. The Japanese OST is amazing, sprite art is incredible, and the atmosphere cannot be remade. Getting all good futures wasn't hard except for Wacky Workbench Act 1.

My only issue was the lackluster bosses and weird controls in the bonus stages.

What's your favorite track? mine's Quartz Quardrant present, especially the chill as fuck part in the middle. Actually, what kind of music or bands capture that chill feeling?
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I liked Triple Trouble. I miss Nack.
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>>258964931
Vectorman was pretty but not that bad. I remember when I rented from blockbuster for the first. Beat that shit in 2 days. Same with 2 some time after that
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>>258964746
Oh fuck, forgot about this. Hard as balls. Sonic Chaos was bad ass too. mecha green hill zone had awesome music
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>>258965568
Pretty rough*
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>>258954562
I'm not really sure what that is.
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>>258965795
y-you think vector man is pretty?

:3c
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>>258965440
Sonic CD is pure Naoto Ohshima unfiltered. To me, Sonic's world always fits best with the 90's. Ambient House/Funk with abstract geometrical worlds and the intentional lack of realism despite Sonic's world being a psuedo-Earth from the very beginning..
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>>258948547

I think I'm the only one who has this opinion, but I think 3 & knuckles is the worst of the 4. Sure it's longer & has more content, nut the level design in the other games is much better.
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>>258966000
Yes anon, he was a fucking princess. Right in the robo asspussy
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>>258966346
I personally think Sonic 1 is the weakest by far. Though that doesn't mean it's a bad game. It's just, being essentially a prototype for the other two makes it too barebones compared to the rest. Also, it lacks a lot of replay value because of how barebones it is. It's still a solid game though. I play it maybe once every 2 years or so. But Sonic 3 and Knuckles and Sonic CD I keep coming back to a lot more.
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Why are you guys praising the most overrated gaming franchise ever? Is this one of those "ironic" threads I've been hearing so much about?
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Sonic 1 put too much emphasis on slow platforming.
Sonic 2 put too much emphasis on speed.
Sonic CD punished you for trying to go too fast.
Sonic 3 & Knuckles perfected the formula.
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>>258966346
I didn't even know opinions could be that bad.
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>>258948547
CD, preferably the Taxman version.
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Sonic 3 is shit.
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>>258966857
I think most modern games are overrated and they're dull due to how braindead simple and mindless they are. Not that there aren't good modern games but they're needle in a haystack to find now. How ironic am I being now?
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Sonic 2 is the best. Everything after that was downhill.
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Sonic Chaos was pretty fun, but I thought the zone designs were a bit more generic compared to Sonic 2. It's like the game was handled by a different development team. Gigaolpolis, Sleeping Egg and Aqua Planet were kind of fun.

At least Chaos had introduced special stages to the handheld games. Sonic 1 and 2 just had the Chaos Emeralds lying around in hard to reach spots. In Sonic 1, you actually had to grab an invincibility box then jump into a pit of spikes and grab one of the Emeralds just sitting in that spot.
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>>258967604
Sonic 2 is the most frustrating of the trilogy, imo. It's hard to explain but the levels feel like a slog to get through. Chemical Plant Zone had those floating platform over the chemical water, Aquatic Hill Zone had a lot of underwater. Hill Top Zone had annoying lava pits, Mystic Cave had annoying enemy and obstacle placement. Wing Fortress could be tricky, and the Death Egg was just plain mean with so little rings. I still like the game quite a bit, but it's definitely somewhat of a chore of a game to play out of the trilogy.
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lets talk about Sonic CD for a moment
in all the bad futures for the zones they all have a derelict look with machinery everywhere.
And in Sonic 4 Episode 2 which takes place after CD eggman turns that same planet into a second death egg
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So /v/, how old were you when you learned about the air bubbles?

>Play Sonic since 1994
>Water levels scar me for life
>Be pre-teen in early 2000s
>Turns out my best friend had Sonic CD
>Watch him play for a bit
>He's on the water stage
>Confused as to how he's going to survive
>Watch as the bubbles give him air
>Feel like the world's biggest retard
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>>258968735
Sanic 2 if anything is too easy. I just trance through the thing while Sonic 1 has a steep difficulty curve and Sonic 3 has crazy levels that go all over the place and a generally harder second half.

But fuck that laser in Wing Fortress. Fuck it,
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>>258969109
Fuck Wing fortress in general.
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3 was good but overrated
S&K was also good but overrated
2 was hands down the best
1 was really fucking good

If you include SCD/MCD as "Genesis" then CD was actually the best by far.

And if you include 32x and count Knuckles Chaotix as a Sonic game, it was shit.
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>>258968868
Sonic 4 Episode 2 basically flopped. They're not doing anything much with Sonic anymore besides the occasional game. Sega is basically a Pachinko company now. Hell, most of the great companies like Sega, Konami, Capcom, etc. are basically Pachinko and something not video games related companies now. It's really sad. They might do one video games project every couple of years now though.
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>>258948547
Sonic 2 because 3&K is two games and CD is on the Sega CD.
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>>258967595
>braindead and mindless
So how's it feel having an opinion on something you know nothing about?
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>>258969479
nigga how well it did has nothing to do with my post
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>>258969479
Aren't they doing well as a PC publisher.. IIRC they're making a mint off of Football Manager, and their other releases like Sonic Racing, Binary Domain, etc. have been well-received.
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>>258962629

I never understood how anyone had trouble with these things

I was the dumbest kid around and even I could figure this out
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>buy Sonic's Ultimate Genesis collection so I can nostalgia on my PS3
>lock-on version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles isn't included

Ah, fuck. At least both games are there as stand-alone titles. Plus you can unlock Phantasy Star I, Fantasy Zone arcade and Golden Axe Warrior. I guess that kind of makes up for the lack of S3&K.

This is the first (and only) game I've Platinumed
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>>258968735
Literally git gud.
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FUCK
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>>258969832
I really want to buy this, but I'd rather step on a Lego than buy a Backbone produced port collection. The fact it has WELL more than just Genesis games really is a good reason to get it though.

I'd just rather Sega bother to bring us M2's Sega Ages sets is all.
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>>258969824
Seriously, this. They have fucking up and down arrows on them, for fuck's sake. What did you think you were supposed to do on them?
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>>258949816
This, without a doubt
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>>258948547
Sonic 3 & Knuckles. No doubt, it's the best Sanic game. Order as follows.
>S3&K > S2 > S3 > SK > SCD > S1
Your opinions may vary. Sanic CD is just too much like the first game, which is a bad thing when the second game is so fucking godly. Sanic 4 Ep1 Sucks, Ep2 is much better but still not that great.
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>>258948547
3&K, which is the best Genesis and Sonic game in general.
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>>258969998
>>258970287
for what purpose
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>>258970534
namefag probably forgot to take off his name
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>>258962342
What the hell is this "lock on" you guys keep mentioning?

Also, gonna say s3&k was the best. So fucking fun. I don't care if it's a little too easy, what with being able to easily collect all 7 CEs by the Marble whateverthefuck and getting all SCEs pretty early on too (icecap zone was where I'd get the last of them)
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>>258962629
Yeah I seriously had no idea how this worked for a goddamn year
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>>258971064
Sonic 3 and Knuckles were sold separately due to limitations. To "get" Sanic 3 and Knuckles you had to stick Sonic and Knuckles on top of 3 before turning the game on. Otherwise you'd just Sonic 3 without the Knuckles levels or Sonic and Knucles without the ability to save.

Most re-releases still allow you to play them seperately for some reason.
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>>258969832
>lock-on version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles isn't included
Don't you have to unlock it like in Mega Collection?
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>>258971064
Sonic & Knuckles had a special cartridge which allowed you to lock on to other Sonic games for added effects. Adding it to the following
Sonic 1 - Unlimited random blue sphere
Sonic 2 - Knuckles playable in Sonic 2
Sonic 3 - Knuckles playable in Sonic 3, added save features for Sonic & Knuckles levels, hyper emeralds, basically the true and complete way to play the game.

Sadly the Genesis collection on PS3/360 does not include lock on versions, which is a true crime.
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>>258971505
Yeah. It was a pain in the ass.

>play ____ and ___ 30 times
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>>258971064
>doesn't know about lock on
Get out
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>>258971415
>for some reason
There's a very good reason.
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>>258962629
You have to be a goddamn retard not to figure these out.

If a retard like me can figure how these things worked by trying out all the buttons on the controller, anyone can.
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>>258970064

If it's any consolation, the presentation is pretty good. The emulation quality doesn't suck, but some of the sound effects in Sonic are off, namely when you hit the end of the level sign in Sonic 2. I liked the inclusion of borders around the screen, like background images of rings or cityscapes. Of course, this is a collection for an HD system, so that's preferable to having the game screen stretched out and distorted.

If you can find it cheap, then go for it.
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>>258971064
Lock-on let you play as Knuckles in any game you put on top of the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge. Sonic 2 & Knuckles, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, NBA Jam & Knuckles, etc. Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy7I70HqcKE
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>>258971415
>>258971572
>>258971693

Huh. Since I was a kid, I only played it on PC from a ghetto-ass burned CD a friend made for me that had S3&K on it. I never knew about the lock on system or it not being sold as a unit. I've only ever played it as the way it was "meant" to be played.

Though eventually I used the blue knuckles glitch for the hell of it on a file with all super emeralds. Shit got weird.
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>>258948547
>Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Easily the best. The most content, the biggest levels, transitions, seamlessly integrated character specific paths, improved co-op, etc.

>Sonic CD
Easy 2nd place. Has more grandiose levels than 1 or 2. Breaks the mold of the series, putting a huge emphasis on exploration, both because you need to track down generators and holograms to destroy, but also because you need to find the ideal places for gainan and maintainan Sanic Speed for time travel. Learning the level design and mastering small tricks allow easy navigation through the confusing stage layouts. Multiple versions of every Act of every Zone. Multiple methods of getting the good ending. Overall more challenging.

>Sonic 2
Beats Sonic 1 for third place. Has co-op, bigger levels, more abilities, a usable reward for getting the Chaos Emeralds.

>Sonic 1
Still fucking great, despite being in dead last. Introduced the speed-centric gameplay. You can go fast. You need to learn where you should go fast. You need to learn how to quickly pick up speed, and to quickly reign it back in. It's in last place because the above 3 titles pull this off more gracefully.
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>>258962795
Keep in mind the Time Travel gimmick was originally planned for Sonic 1 but didn't meet the cut and was too ambitious at the time.

>>258948547
Sonic 3&K. I was never a fan of the level design in Sonic CD, even with Taxman's version updating the physics and giving both soundtracks, and I just prefer 3&K (mostly 3) over Sonic 2. Especially Complete, which basically nullifies the need to ever use anything else Sonic 3 rom-wise in terms of base gameplay.
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>>258972007
>going on the internet and telling lies

Don't listen to him it only worked with S2 and S3. However you could also plug any old title into it and it would generate special stages using the codes on the cartridges.
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>>258972106
>CD
>ever better than 2
nope
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>>258972312
Nice reasons bro. Let me guess "baww level design" which actually works perfectly for what the game's trying to do?
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>>258972508
>works perfectly
>is a shitty maze of backtracking
nope
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>>258971989
I think my biggest issue was their godawful PSN/XBLA ports of games that had THE WORST netplay. So playing a game like Gunstar Heroes online with a friend was hell.
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Best Mega-Drive sonic? Sonic 2, could never get into Sonic 3 or S&K, and i've played both more times than i want to count. Sonic 2 just had a certain charm that's lacking in later titles. Although the best Sonic is Sonic for the Master System. Flawless soundtrack, nice levels, challenging boss fights, best endgame of any Sonic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYJkol00JCE
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>>258972689
>exploration is a major task
>backtracking is counter-intuitive to this
nope
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rev up those opinions
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>>258973080
Exploration is not what Sonic's about, you div. Enjoy your shit taste.
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>>258973342
>Exploration is not what Sonic's about

Already addressed there guy

>>258972106
>Breaks the mold of the series

Care to bring up a shitty complaint I haven't already put to rest?

>actively wanting less variety for Sanic platformers
Enjoy your shit taste
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>>258973771
Doesn't make it any less true, faggot.
>Sonic
>variety
And we've all seen what that's gotten us.
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>>258973941
Yeah to the horrible extent the modern games take it.

Spicing up the tried and true gameplay formula to make something new that works isn't bad, and you haven't given a single reason as to why it's bad other than saying that it's bad.
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>>258973289
>worst
>CD
It is literally impossible to believe that.
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>>258974098
Yeah, we get shit like Werehog and Lost World. I'd rather they keep it simple and stop trying to add gimmicks to a game. Generations showed they could make a great game if they kept it simple.
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>>258974402
So you're not going to actually make your case. Neat.

Sonic CD confirmed for still better than Sonic 2.

>tfw Sonic 2 is literally my favorite game of all time but I'm capable of acknowledging another Sonic game's superiority
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>>258973289
Sonic CD isn't "bad" it's just different and got screwed over by NA.
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>>258974661
What? Because you say so? Opinions don't mean shit and I refuse to get baited into arguing whether your opinion is true or not. Sonic 2 was simply a better and more well made game. Fuck off, sperg.
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>>258974794
>NA gave it a better soundtrack
>screwed over
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>>258975043
>andherewego.gif
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>>258974661
Not the guy you're responding to, but honestly, the 'superiority' is pretty damn subjective. Sonic 2 streamlines Sonic 1's formula while solidifying it, CD takes a different route more based around slower-paced exploration and analyzing the levels for speed so you can time travel (although you can get the good ending without ever actually having to time travel on your own, so it's kinda moot), and 3&K mixes a shitton of level paths with the focus of 2 so the stages get longer but simultaneously vast without becoming fucking Sonic Heroes; it's less about mondo exploration and more about plenty of secrets and routes.

That's not even getting into the content of the individual games, but it really comes down to preference because while they're basically the same base at heart, it branches off in so many different ways it's impossible to call one 'better' than the rest.
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>>258974935

Once again (this is the second time I've had to link you back to my first post), read nigga.

You're the only one mindlessly saying "naw it's shit, Sonic 2's just better because of reasons faggot".
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>>258975173
And most of those things were done poorly. You simply enjoy them for some unknown reason. Go back to reddit.
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>>258948547
Sonic 3 & Knucles is much better than the rest, case closed. Sonic CD vs. Sonic 2? Much better question. Sonic 1 is horrible.
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>>258952004
CD has always been loved.
>>
Reminder that 3D Blast had some of the best music of the Genesis era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24RUlAwjv2c&index=11&list=PL2B69BAADE72B245D
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>>258975167
In terms of objectivity, CD has more meat to it in terms of Zones, Acts, and versions of Acts. Sonic CD presents two entirely independent paths you can choose to reach the good ending (you could even do both if you want). The challenge of the game is also fairly consistent throughout, unlike Sonic 2's piss-easy nature up until the brick wall that is Metropolis Zone. People slight the game for it's "messy" level design, but it works as a means to hinder your ability to time travel, but there are indeed parts in every Act, in every Zone, where you can reach and maintain the speed necessary for time travel. You have to work for that shit, and when you work for it enough, you get a pay off. That makes Sonic CD a different beast than the likes of 1, 2, and 3K.

Trust me, my individual preference is for Sonic 2. I like the aesthetics of it more, I like the music more, it was the first game I ever played and I have a great feeling of nostalgia for it. But in terms of which is the better game, Sonic CD just does more for the series to successfully make a unique experience, whereas Sonic 2 is just a marginally different Sonic 3K, relative to CD. If you catch my Drift.

>>258975290
How were they done poorly? Explain your points boy.
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>>258971740

That reason being more money. They always treat it as two games when marketing, but Generations makes it out as one.
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>>258974243
Worst in a group doesn't necessarily mean inherently bad, anon.
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> Been a Sonic fan since I got my Genesis with S&K.
> also a fan of Final Fantasy, Armored Core and Ace Combat

It's been hard, guys...
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>>258948547
>There are people who don't think S3&K is the best platformer in existence right behind the DKC series

As for 2, CD is better. People only like it because of nostalgia.
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Sonic 3 and Knuckles Complete.

Any other answer is factually wrong.
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>>258976658
I was about to get angry but then I finished reading
>right behind the DKC series
you're alright
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>>258976709
What is going on with his hand on that title screen
It's bigger than his head
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>>258976759
>arguing opinions with spergs
no
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>>258962297
Lightning shield repelled energy attacks.
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3&K > CD > 2 >1
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>>258962751

That shit fest is the reason why Sonic 2 is the worst Genesis Sonic game.

That and introducing Tails, fuck that ugly POS.
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>>258977139
Well you showed me man. I guess I'll just try to fabricate reasons to hate CD like the rest of /v/.

Well there was this one time I tried holding right to win, and the game didn't let me. I tried some other stuff, and the game was just a dick. Guess instead of getting better at the game and learning how to efficiently traverse the terrain, I'll write it off as bad level design and hope the rest of /v/ parrots my opinion :^)
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>>258976971
This. S3&K is really top-tier as a game.
>music
>level design
>graphics

>>258977083
>>258972148
is the best way to experience the glory of S3&K, yes

>>258975814

Sonic 1 is horrible?

the fuck is this?
Other than Labyrinth Zone being retarded, what is this? It's not great, but it's a damn sight better than horrible, and many of the levels feel better designed than 2's.

also, you can go fast -- it's just a bit harder (mostly because you have to circumvent the speed cap that kicks in when you're running normally)
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>>258971683
Or just download a save file.
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>>258964764

As someone who grew up with both, you're full of horeshit.

Both were great systems, but Genesis aged better. More variety in genres and less shovelware. I know because I still play both of them daily.
>>
If they did another 2D/2.5D Sonic game (it's inevitable, even if Sonic 4 is dead they still really want to cash in on nostalgia somehow), what would you guys prefer

Homing Attack / Air Dash, or Elemental Shields & Insta-Shield? Or something new, but we've already had Spindash, Super Peelout, Insta-Shield, Homing Attack/Air Dash and Boost, i'm not sure what the hell else Sonic could learn.
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>>258971064
How old are you?
>>
Sonic 2 sucks and anyone who says it's the best has actual autism and needs to get therapy.
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>>258948547
>Sonic 3 Sonic The Hedgehog & Knuckles

What the fuck
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>>258977954
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Sonic 3&K > Sonic advanced 2 > Sonic CD > Sonic 2 > Sonic advanced 1 > sonic advanced 3 > sonic 3D blast > spinball = sonic 1

Fuck you guys I really liked the advanced games.
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>>258978058

HANGING ON THE EDGE OF TOMORROW

GOT YOU HOOKED BY MY OWN BAIT

DON'T PUSH ME OVER THE EDGE
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>>258948547
It's pretty much a tie between Sonic 2 and S3&K for me. Both are really good.

Sonic 2 probably has the better music though. Pity Masato Nakamura never returned to the series, but probably for the best considering how it turned out.
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>>258978124
>Sonic Advance 1 and 3 that low
>Sonic Advance 2 that high
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>>258978124
Let's not forget about the rush shit.

Rush is good. Rush adventure, colors and generations (3DS) were fucking garbage.
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>>258978124
I honestly disagree with Advance 2, but otherwise Advance 1 was relatively underrated. 2 and 3 are a bit.. funky, though. Especially since all three have DIMPS level design all over.
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>>258977668
>genesis aged better

That's not true and you know it -- when the Genesis hit hard, it hit hard (Ranger-X, Gunstar Heroes, Castlevania Bloodlines, Shinobi III, Ristar, etc), but most Genesis games had shit graphics and audio next to the SNES.
>yes, 1988 hardware vs 1990 hardware, but still

As a whole, the SNES aged better.

>>258978124
>advance 2
>above CD
>spinball=sonic 1
>3D
>above sonic 1

god fucking damn it
why is this bait making me reply
>>
S3&K>Advance 1>Advance 3=CD>S2>Advance 2>S1

Haven't finished Rush yet.
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>>258978646
1's level design is solid. It's significantly better than 2 and 3's as a whole, it's not DIMPSy at all.

Advance 2 was still fun, but it defined DIMPS shit level design.

Advance 3 had better design in parts, and hilariously worse in others. Cool-ass soundtrack at least, best music on GBA other than Mother 3.

>>258978618
What's so bad about Rush Adventure? It's got solid level design, it's just got dumb shit between stages. Colors DS and Generations 3DS are true shit though. Holy fuck. Really embarrassing level design.
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>>258978653
Not really bait since I kinda hold them all pretty high up in general. But I guess I should put more ">>>" to emphasize what was better than the rest.
>>258978646
And I totally get that. For some reason I had a huge attachment to advanced 2 and I'm gonna partly blame the sense of fast it gave you. You totally have a point of it having shit level design. >>258978473
Hey hey hey, like the other dudes. This is just an opinion. Like em' this way. Not fact.
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>>258979083
I dunno. Angel Island was filled with pits, and Egg Rocket had some nasty cases of maze design combined with spike/badnik traps like later DIMPS games. But I sorta wish they remade Advance 1 proper instead of made Sonic 4, because I loathe this strict Sonic 2 nostalgia mixed with CD. It's like how Nintendo barely acknowledges everything that isn't Super Mario Bros. 3, up until there were more World influences in NSMBU and 3D World; or how Mega Man's last two major games that weren't of a sequel series were 9 and 10, which both cater hardcore to Mega Man 2 and nothing else besides some nods and a boss that copies weapons from across the series in 10.
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>>258979565
okay, that's a bit more reasonable

but
>Fuck you guys I really liked the advanced games.
and
>advanced
>not Advance
really made the post look like bait

>>258979883
Angel Island's the sky stage, so it would have a lot of pits (and it's far more reasonable than later titles), although Egg Rocket sure does have just the problems you describe

I'm still bothered that the same company that made Advance 1 managed to shit out Sonic 4 (both episodes -- even if you ignore the physics, the level design is crap).
>>
>>258980307
It's weird, Rush was pretty alright and Rush Adventure wasn't.. necessarily bad, though I haven't touched Colors DS. But after some questionable design here and there in the GBA and DS games, DIMPS has basically been nothing but shit since then. Sonic 4 was bland out the wazoo with no soul and no feeling of actual, honest-to-god effort. Generations 3DS was a rushjob with horrible level design when it wasn't 3 classic stages literally ripped straight from the original games, less of a distance between Classic and Modern Sonics, and some downright lazy design choices. And Lost World 3DS.. could've been better than the Wii U version if they refined the slipperiness out of the controls and then made the game design not SUCK HORRIBLY.

It's like their level designers are degrading with every single passing game.
>>
I honestly think 2 is.
>>
3&K > CD > S2 > S&K > S3 > 1
>>
>>258980865
I actually thought Rush was horrible (Sections where you have to kill every enemy to pass...how wonderful!) and Rush Adventure was passable. God knows what the fuck happened after that.
>>
>>258963638
The starfish aren't as bad as the grasshoppers.
>>
anyone else hate the look of new sonic games? no one seems to mention this but they all look to be in our world. 1-3 looked like it was in its own universe
>>
>>258965185
I could never master that hang gliding.
>>
>>258981383
That's been happening since Adventure 1. The old Genesis games were made with weird, geometric shapes for everything for not only a rather unique feel, but also to contrast with Sonic's rounded nature when he's spinning around.

Then they figured let's make Sonic fight to save animu humans, and then it eventually snowballed into Sonic 06's Felix the soulless Cat puppets standing next to mannequins aping human motions and expressions. It's plain horrifying. Not sure what to think about Lost World just suddenly flip-flopping design straight back to cube-jello trees and strange shapes again because nostalgiawhoring, either.
>>
3&K > 2 > CD > 1
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>>258971693
Sonic 3 and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles
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CD>3&K>2>1
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>>258971693
If you do this does Knuckles become real?
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>>258972914
Bridge zone had a really nice sound.
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>>258958386

That's Howard Drossin for ya. He did Comix Zone too.
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>>258981340
>grasshoppers
Those are mantises, fag. Grasshoppers didn't appear until 3.
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>>258971064
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>>258983027
They actually brought him back for Black Knight and he did an entire Sonic music album back in the 90s.
>>
>>258983027
Not to mention Afro Samurai's game, which had an AMAZING OST.
>>
>>258958075
>those fucking EA-tier FM patches

>TWANG
>PEEEEEWWWWWW
>BWAP
like, this is one of those games that made people think the Genesis sound chip was awful

but compositionally, it was pretty fucking ace

>>258962629
to this day, I don't know how anyone got stuck on them
>>
>>258958075
I've seen people make romhacks before that change the sound output on games noise-wise, I wonder if someone could do the same for Spinball and make the music sound less twang-y?
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>>258948547
Sonic CD is not worthy to be an option here OP. You could even replace it with 3D Blast.
>>
>>258948547
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
>>
>>258978653

No they didn't, you faggot. I play both of them side by side, and Genesis has the same amount of color as SNES.

And sound is objective. S3aK had better music than most SNES games.
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>>258954356
Same for me, brother.


Same for me.
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