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Who wants to talk about Project M 3.5? Cuz I wanna talk about Project M 3.5
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So why is Lucario Goku?
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>>257763747
I wanna play it, but, don't know how to set it up with Dolphin.
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>>257763648
Wow...
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>>257763951
I'm pretty sure those are Pokemon items that you put on your Pokemon to boost their stats.
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>>257763952
I want to play it, but I can't find my old SD card
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Man why is Sakurai such a lazy cunt?
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>>257764153
I have a PAL Wii, but, I can use Gecko to run a NTSC Brawl file off of USB, but, it plays extremely poorly for some reason. The framerate is choppy and it really messes with the inputs.

I'm definitely up for some Melee netplay though.
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>>257764387
Have you ever even made a game?
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>>257764387
I know it takes more work than what these guys are doing to make skins but I'm still mad about Link getting Skyward Sword COLORS and not the entire model.Step up Sakurai
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>>257764780
The SS model looked like shit though. His lips looked really bad. I'd rather have this new one.
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>>257765005
His lips looked worse than Zelda's nose.
Which was pretty difficult to do.
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Debug mod confirmed.

We 20XX now.
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>>257765005
Felt like a slap to the face. I'm a fan of SS link and Zelda. Fuck they're just gonna add SS colors to Zelda also.
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>>257763951
They made him like Ryu and replaced his aura system with Street Fighter's EX meter
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>>257766324
That sounds really stupid.
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>>257766738
And the aura system wasn't?
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>>257766738
I prefer Minus anyway. They increase his damage cap to 300% and even give you a taunt that lets you reach that in an instant.
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>>257764387
It's not so much that he's lazy but that, unlike PM devs, he has deadlines to meet.
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>>257766847
It was dumb, but it made sense.
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>>257766139
I have no issues with SS Zelda's model save for her nose.
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>old pit face
why
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>>257763648
>That Lucario
Pure autism
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>>257767074
I think rewarding you for playing well is better conceptually than rewarding you for taking damage.
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>>257763648
Excuse me for being a lazy fuck but:

How hard is it to set up the emulation for this?
Has anyone played this with a 360 controller? Is it even playable that way?
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>those shoulders
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>>257767341
Old Melee trophy.
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>>257763648
What the fuck is wrong with that light suit.
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>>257767487
I think Street Fighter characters should stay in Street Fighter
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>>257767953
The light suit is really different from the default suit, so they had to modify it in order to make it work with the hitboxes.
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>>257763648
Ganon looks really off, probably because of the bright colors
Pit looks good except for the Ness face
Samus is perfect, but she has other suits I'd rather see
Marth is okay I guess
Lucario is full retard and should have been Gokario if you really wanted a gi
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>>257768154
Funny how Gokario works better since Lucario has the same VA.
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>>257767981
The EX system isn't even from Street Fighter in the first place. It's from Darkstalkers.

Anyways, the new aura system is a great change that gives him something unique and is well designed, but I hate just how much they changed Lucario's overall gameplay. The idea of chaining your moves like the ABC Magic Series system is fine, but they took it way too far.
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>>257768426
Exactly. Would it be that hard to redo that skin for PM? It would be better than random gi with two hold items.
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>>257769089
Remember Syntax Error? They might want to avoid that happening to them.
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>>257769089
Why are PM devs so lazy?
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>>257763648
>hiding Lucarios delicious butt under some baggy pants
No thanks.
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>>257768426
>>257769089
Actually, Lucario has a different VA in Brawl. He gets his movie VA in Smash 4 though.
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>>257769658
At least there's a connection between Goku and Lucario than there is Ryu and Lucario.
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>>257763648
Should rename it Project N, for Nostalgiafaggots that cant let go of the past. Really, you tryhard autists are getting pathetic now. If you cant be bothered to relearn the game in its better form, then you dont belong in the competetive scene.
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>>257769903
Project Melee you dingus
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>>257769903
Baiting is fine and all but you could try something new once in a while.
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Why exactly hasn't Nintendo shut this down yet? Especially with Smash 4 coming out you'd think they'd have deaded this.
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>>257769903
OBVIOUS BAIT CONFIRMED FOR KERFUFFLE
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>>257770058
Still fanwork. Can't shut it down without the community hating you.
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>>257770058
Bad PR for one, it would seem as if they aren't confident in their own product being better than a fan mod.
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>>257769815
Lucario in PM plays closer to a traditional fighting game character with his chain normals (which I hate) and new aura system (which I love)

Besides, it's just an excuse to give Lucario a decent enough alt that's related to Pokemon.

>>257769903
Brawl was bigger than Melee at one point though.

>>257770058
They're fine with it since it requires a Brawl copy and can be player without hacking the Wii.
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>>257770351
It's still pretty obvious that it's Ryu's outfit with Pokemon TCG symbols.
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>>257770351
How is a generic karate gi related to Pokemon other than the Black Belt class? Why not give him a Sir Aaron alt? There's been enough fanart of it for reference.
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>>257770546
>>257770845
The gi is in reference to his PM redesign, typing and has a Focus Band and Expert's Belt.

Though yeah a Sir Aaron based alt would've been better.
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>All this complaining about Lucario's alt

>Nobody complaining about completely random Squirtle alt. and deviantart-tier Sonic semi-alts.

Step up your game, guys. Lucaryu is old shit.
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>>257771613
I don't get it either. Ninja Squirtle. I understand it, but seriously?
What would work in its place?
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>>257771613
Squirtle alt?
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>>257771613
He already has his glasses as a secret taunt, so I don't really care.

And more colors means jack shit.
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>>257771773
Because they aren't in the OP image.
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>>257771849
It's just Ninja Squirtle.
Because he's a turtle.
And the TMNT are turtles.
And they're ninjas too.
So he's a ninja too.
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>>257771895
>>257771613
>me in charge of replying correctly
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why am I a better player than all of you?
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>>257772027
It's probably because of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Squirtles tee. Too bad the Project M team isn't savvy enough for decent model changes. Meta Butterfly is still the worst alt.
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>>257769593
But anon, it makes it more fun to slide those pants slowly off and get a nice look. Teasing and all, you know?
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>>257772174
Because you are delusional. :^)
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>>257772343
They'll do a Meta Butterfly before Galacta Knight and Samurai Meta Knight. I still don't understand.
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>>257772506
I play shitty Bowser and I will still wreck you :DD
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>>257771773
I honestly feel like some characters don't need alts and Squirtle is one of them. But if they must, it should at least have something to do with Nintendo and not OC steeldonuts.
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>>257769903
>>guaranteed replies
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>>257772680
Wait until you see my god-tier Olimar, you fukken scrub. ;)
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>>257771613
I like it
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>>257772861
oh yeah have any videos of it?

i am actually a little scared olimar can wreck bowsers shit..
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>>257772518
Galacta Knight is a different character. Though their quality is starting to slip, originally they said no alts would change who the character is.

They could do a cosplay method like the FE characters, but it's hard to cosplay Galacta without just being him.

Still holding out for Samurai since that designer is on the team now
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>>257772684
Butterfly Knight was at least his prototype design. I still think it's stupid, but at least it has some connection to him, as thin as it may be.
What I don't get is some of the other alts. Ninja Squirtle, both FE alts, and giving Meta Knight a Dark Meta Knight palette without making a decent scratch.
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>>257772979
kek I don't need vids to show off my skill

A smart Olimar player could wreck a Bowser if they take advantage of the endlag in most of his attacks.
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>>257773074
It's entirely possible, and it would sure as hell be more recognizable.
Just take away his shield, give him a white/blue cape and wings, make his body blue, and turn his eyes yellow. There, Meta Knight dressed as Galacta Knight.
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>>257773327
well to be fair that can be said for any character.

But Olimar has ridiculous chaingrabs into kill moves... and seeing how huge his pivot grab is with blue pikmin (i think) kinda wrecks Bowsers deal
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>>257773429
Hell, if they just recolored Meta Knight to match Galacta's theme, I'd be down.

But then all the entitled folks cry out against it since it wasn't a full blown Model change.
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>>257769492
>PM devs
>lazy

lul okay what ever helps you sleep at night, clearly its a problem with the system, and not the PM dev team.
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>>257774138
Just anything besides some design we've never seen at all until the artbook.
I thought this was supposed to be a mod about pandering. If they're going to pander, they should do it right.
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>>257774692
They are pandering. It's just pandering to themselves and their small circle of devoted followers.
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>>257774692
They can't pander to everyone though. I for one love the Shogun DeDeDe, but some people are crying out for Masked instead.

Some people love the new Kirby colors, but I'd rather have seen brown than dark grey.
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>>257764387
Have you ever made a game, you sack of shit?
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>>257771613
I'd agree but I've seen turtles as ninjas in a few games (and tmnt obviously)

must be some old jap mythology about it
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>>257776260
Most i can think of is Kappa's, and they werent ninjas.
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>>257776623
Why not a Kapp'n Squirtle?
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>>257775909
Have you? :^)
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>>257768154
>Ness face
It's based off the Melee trophy's interpretation of NES Pit. Probably might be the same model too.
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>>257774692
>pandering
They succeeded in their pandering by doing what they set out to do: make Brawl more like Melee. The costumes are a bonus.

And I for one prefer Bug Knight in comparison to Galacta, who just comes off as DeviantArt OC.
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>>257776260
Or Japans just likes TMNT (which they do).
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>>257775621
>some people are crying out for Masked instead.
Egh... I always felt iffy about making powerups alt costumes in the same way as making other characters alt costumes.
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>>257763747
sure, how do you think Pichu Bros will be like?
That's the only 3.5 newcomer, btw
There's debug mode, new skins, Pichu bros, nerfed recoveries, and what else?
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>>257778797
I agree, but either way I'd rather have something we may never see in an official Smash title and I feel like Dedede's final smash could become masked in 4.
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>>257779075
Is there any proof of Pichu Bros or just that one anonymous post here?
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>>257767487
>Implying you aren't going to take damage
Fun fact, even if you are playing well you may take damage
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>Sanic has 3 new alts
>including Shadow and Silver
>shadow replaces the black sonic
>knuckles didn't get added to replace the red sonic
>2 shitty sonic characters were added
>knuckles is far more iconic than both of them and yet was not

Knuckles confirmed for newcomer. The leaks were real.
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>>257779358
Just that one anon's post, but he did get the sonic skins thing right so he knew something beforehand.
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Why do people complain about the skins when they can just replace them with whatever they want? It's a more irrelevant thing to complain about than the stages or the music.
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>>257779626
Possible, but their reasoning is legit.

>Having a Knuckles alt would possibly clash with the Red team color and we don't want to use an alt. costume as a primary team color.
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>>257779981
Tournament legality. You want to rock your color/costume, but you'll never be able to use Captain Pikminman in tournament.
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>>257763648

>Sigurd

Confirmed for better than SSB4
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>>257780302
I don't play PM competitively, but I'd assume if you bring your set up to a tournament you can have whatever skins you want on it.
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>>257780302
>Cant use my mods in a tournament for a mod
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>>257779981
Project M needs to start releasing update zips with just the changes, that way people can keep their skins and stages without having to sort through the download.
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Cease and desist when?
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>>257780513
The idea was cool, but honestly, that skin looks like shit.
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>>257780678
Never.
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>>257780678
NEVER EVER
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>>257780678
NEVER EVER
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>>257780678
Why do you want Nintendo to shut down P:M so bad?
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>>257779526
It's possible to not take damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0O2e-lFABc
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>>257779526
And in Brawl, playing well makes you weaker. The retarded old aura system actually punished you for being better than your opponent.
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>>257780529
>>257780585
You're supposed to use an unmodified copy to avoid any accidental changes to gameplay (i.e. hitboxes/hurtboxes/lag)

Music is the only commonly changed element in tournaments.
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>>257779526
That doesn't make it any less stupid.
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>>257781246
But nobody at your locals is going to toss your Wii out because you have your favorite Link costume in.
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>>257763747
I'm excited for the new debug mode, though I think they should make it a menu option as well.
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>>257767981
Except lucario plays nothing like a street fighter character. He's most similar to a darkstalkers character if anything and still none of the darkstalkers characters remotely fit his playstyle. You'd be hard pressed to find another fighting game character that has the same play style as lucario from a game with chain combos.
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>>257781890
That's because we're generally a chill scene. Doesn't make it less unprofessional. Imagine how many people would use all the crap from Brawlvault.
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>>257781913
I would love that OR combine it with training, but I don't think they can add items to the menu.
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>>257779526
It just makes it so that percentage is de-emphasized, you hurt me and now I can attack like you're hurt more than you are. It didn't have a significant effect on the way people played and it wasn't an element that people could strategize around, a lucario player wouldn't play any differently with the aura system to a player without it, both of them are going to try to avoid getting hit at high percentages in the same ways. Desperation supers or ultras in KoF or SF4 have more of a tactical impact than the aura system did, by actually giving the players different options to utilize rather than being a dumb automatic comeback mechanic.
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Please don't refer to this mod's creators as "devs", they are modders, it's rude towards Sajurai and all the other real developers that work on the real Smash games.
Thank you.
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>>257764442

NTSC brawl and P:M run perfectly off USB loader gx. look into it.
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>>257772684
>>257771773
>>257771613
Ninja Squirtle is from the pokemon trading card game. It's not OC donut steel.
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>>257781890
No, but they typically overwrite the game files with a fresh copy for all the files that could influence gameplay if you have anything alternate.
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>the debug hitbox display mode for 3.5

finally, i'll be able to see just what the fuck i'm ment to do when my flatmate goes full camping asshat with link.
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>>257782938
Got a source on that?
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>>257782290
They could repurpose an existing menu item likely. Like the custom stage switch that is currently sitting nonfunctional in the stage select menu.
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If improving the game was so easy modders could do it why didn't Sakurai just make his game not shit?
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>>257783446
Nope. It's some random shit I heard.
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>>257783447
Good idea, anon. There's a few options they could replace.
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>>257783647
Or they could have a toggle for it in the menu, like input a certain combination of buttons, and hear a tone play, then debug mode shortcut enabled in matches.
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>>257783529
Because Sakurai aims at a general audience while PMBR aims at a smaller group of players.>>257783529
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>>257782290

makes you wonder how they've got all star versus set up.
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>>257783610
>>257782938
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Who you main, /v/?
If you aren't playing Snake or Ike youare playing it wrong
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>>257784047
The target audience doesn't make the game not shit.
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>>257784170
Through the special Brawl menu. They've already confirmed that.
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>>257784170
Will they use all star versus in tourneys? It sounds like it could be interesting.
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>>257775909
>>257764481
Le ebin game meme :^)
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>>257784358

that's up to the tourneys i suppose.
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>>257784224
So they just made it up.
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>>257782608
look at this faggot.
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>>257784224
Fair enough, I guess.

They want to give all the characters alternate costumes, and I guess they have to improvise somewhere.
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>>257784358
Possibly as side events.

If you want it used mainstream just host your own tournament.
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So why don't people discuss this?
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>>257784358
rather, will tourneys hold all star versus brackets?
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>>257784358
Clearly not, it's just for fun.

I love every single fucking character in Project M so I don't think I'll ever take it off.
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>>257772518
They've already been made m8. Most of the alt you fags are bitching about have been made. Check kcmm. They have EVERY GODDAMN COSTUME YOU CAN THINK OF.
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>>257784418
Le ebin le ebin meme :^) meme :^)
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>>257784876
>Pichu Bros
>Ice climbers style

Danger
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Download whatever costume for fun but if you're a tourney fag use wifi safe
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>>257784224
Why not give him the Squirtle Squad shades? Unless that's already a costume, I don't play Project M.
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>>257785271
Its a secret taunt, but they only last a few hits
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>>257785271
That's already available. You do something with his taunt.
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>>257785271
It's a secret taunt.
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> PM:BR

Man if you guys only knew.
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>>257784876
One, because the post just said "alt costume", while the colors are just recolors and there's multiple of them.

Two, because they'd make Plusle and Minun instead of the Pichu Bros.
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>>257785017
So what's so special about PM's alternate costumes? There've been tons of Dr. Marios.
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>>257785479
Enlighten us
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Hoping for a new Snake skin. The blue one is shitty as all get out
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>>257785750
Tend to be higher quality I guess. I don't know either.
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>>257784236
Ike all the way

It's really annoying having to deal with easy mode Mario and Link that my friends play though
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>>257785750
>>257786054
See
>>257781246
>>257780302
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>>257786352
Tournament legality isn't that big of a deal. I'm a tournament player, I can go six or seven sets without using my favorite color.
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Is there a release date for 3.5?p
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Why isn't there a pichu bros icon for roster maker?
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>>257767570
It's honestly pretty fucking easy. There's a bunch of guides on it and there's only a few steps and downloads needed.

I have no experience playing with the 360 controller, but I've played people online who used it and did decently well. I mean you're not going to put up much of a fight against someone decent with a gamecube controller, but you can still learn things about the game.

If you really wanna get into it and get gid, the netplay community for both PM and melee are fantastic, and at that point it's totally worth investing in a gc adapter.
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So who else is getting added?
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How is lag for Project M's online play on the Wii? Do they use their own server, or...?
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>>257787493
It's pretty shit. Dolphin netplay is significantly better.
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Anyone know how to set up the wifi on the hackless Wii set up?
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The only way to play is with Turbo Mode. Finally the game is worth a damn with that mode on.
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>>257785602
One, Sonic is wearing Shadow's gloves and shoes so it counts as a "costume".

Two, Pichu was in melee, has sound files, is a trophy and was even teased in the turbo mode video.
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>>257784876
>inb4 they make a Sonichu skin and Chris Chan throws a fit
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I really wanted to try out Project M but the damn thing won't install unless you have an SD card LESS than 2gb

retarded
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>>257788059
Blame the Wii.
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>>257784876
>Pichu Bros
>not Plusle and Minun
Do these Melee humping fucks even think about anything else than muh Melee roster? Or is actually making a character too hard so they can only rip off of what HAL already made?
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>>257766974
He also has a team of probably around 100 full-time employees instead of like 5 hobbyists. I'd give him more slack if
Brawl wasn't just a highly modified Melee.
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>>257785793
First off let me say I LOVE project M, 3.2 is my preferred smash game and without it I wouldn't be as good I would be today.

That said the P:M team is a highly political dev team that is notorious for kicking dev's and testers out if they don't agree with certain members.

I am not going to drop names here but one member in particular will nerf and buff characters solely on the fact on whether or not he "likes" them or not and the other dev's can't say shit or they get the boot.

If you want further proof wait til 3.5 comes out and see how extreme the buffs and nerfs are.

Some characters are fucked to a point where they will be completely unrecognizable.
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>>257788220
Why can't I just install it from a usb or something?
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>>257788405
But it would've been a better game if it was, as PM proves.
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>>257788059
they're like 2-3usd on most online stores. got 3 of them off ebay for me and some friends for 5usd.

If you're too cheap and have an external HD lying around you can softmod your wii. I think there's an iso with PM already on the game.
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What is all this about Pichu Bros.? I'd fucking jump out of my chair if that is true.
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>>257788834
Warchamp7 disguised as a fellow anon said Pichu Bros was gonna be in 3.5, and his proof was that the next "alt costume tuesday" was gonna be a sonic alt.
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>>257789008
How do you know it's Warchamp? Do we have a release time of when 3.5 will be out?
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>>257788059
It's because brawl was coded with only SD compatibility, not SDHC. They have no option.
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>>257789280
It's always warchamp.

If you sincerely think it's anybody with proof that's not warchamp, you're retarded.

There's a reason that nobody on the team tells warchamp anything.


And no, we don't.
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>This board is for the posting of video game "general" threads, which are long-term, recurring threads about a specific topic.
>>>/vg/

This is a shitty mod for a SIX YEAR OLD GAME. Take your Project autisM talk over to the fucking Smash general already on /vg/.
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>>257789757
Holy shit. Now I'm actually fucking hyped for this mod
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>>257790217
Project M will stay at /vg/ when Smash 4 stays at /vg/.

IE Never.
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>>257789008
>another pokemon
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>>257788059
I'm playing PM with a 4GB SD and the iso in a USB stick.

Checkmate atheists.
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>>257791149
But this means that every single characters in Smash 1-3 is in project m.
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>>257791149
Who cares? Better than an irrelevant series nobody cares about getting another rep.
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>>257791406
yeah I know but 8 pokemon? there's gonna be alot of people complaining
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>>257791689
PMfags really care more about movesets and viability over the characters themselves.

They'll probably get more creative for the next character, though.
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>>257791937
I hope. Who's next then?
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>That feel when Project M devs refuse to exceed 2 GB for several things, simply because any large SD card requires a modded wii, in which they don't want to have to force people to mod their wii.
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>>257791689
From who? So long as the character is viable or fun to play who the fuck cares?
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>>257792083
they're probably gonna wait for smash 4 to be released before working on new characters
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>>257791937
Certainly explains Roy.
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>>257792083
No one knows.

>>257787395
This image generally shows off most of the possible characters based on the following:
>Is it a full-fledged character?
>Is it a sticker/trophy/in brawl in some sort of way?
If both apply, then it's on the list of most possible.
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>>257788636
That's my point. Sakurai gets no slack from me because he's doing literally the same thing as Project M (modifying existing code to a point that it's a new game), but he has even more people and time and money to work on it, and somehow he acts like alt costumes and shit are the hardest most time consuming things to add ever. His wording makes it sound like the only alt costumes in the game are Little Mac and all the Male/Female swaps. Don't expect N64 models or shit like that because it apparently needs weeks of testing to swap a model but leave all the existing hitboxes in place.
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http://projectmgame.com/en/news/dev-blogpost-5-debug-pt-2
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>>257793080
Neat
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>>257767341
Better than the cheap anime looking
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>>257781060
>JV 5 stock

I knew this had to exist somewhere.
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Whats the newest version of the game? I can only find 3.0 on pirate bay, is that the right one?
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>>257789008
If that guy is really from the PMBR he was just really trolling, nobody wants Pichu, there's even a poll where Pichu is one of the least wanted characters, so, why would they waste time on a double character like that?
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>>257794089
>>257794089
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m9138477W8

have another
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>>257794239
Nobody wanted Roy and he was still added.
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>>257763648
>ITT we wait for pichu
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>>257794402
Nah, Melee players wanted Roy badly, and since he's a clone, it's easy to create him.
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>>257794402
>Nobody wanted Roy
Do you not know PM's target audience at all?
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>>257794231
check their website
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>>257794541
>>257794614
Well I still want Pichu. Look at Pichu in SDR or brawl minus,
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>>257793080
Really neat shit. Hope other Smash clones have some of these options in their training modes.
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>>257794994
brawl minus is just some guys fucking around and making things balanced through ridiculousness
PM is the tournament game based off Melee. Pichu needs tons of work in order to be more than just a clone shoved in at the last minute.
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>>257795382
Yeah. So instead: Pichu Bros
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>>257791391

Piracy wins again.
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>>257795478
The question is, how will it work? IC has Belay, which requires both Nana and Popo to work. What about Quick Attack? If the other one has separate AI, will it be able to recover properly?
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>>257788482
Strongbad?
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>>257795824
Project M devs have had the codes for a loooooooooooooong time now. See: Ike Climbers, Dong, etc.
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>>257763952

There's a guide for that out there. The idea is to boot up P:M through Gecko OS and have the mod played through an emulated SD Card.
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>>257796423
I'm just wondering how they'll change him. He's got more problems that can't be solved by cloning him.
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>>257792642
All of this makes me wonder, why are they even bothering with PM at all, why dont they just make their own game, or atleast start a kickstarter for one?
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>>257799064
Because actually making a game from scratch is really time consuming. I could see them all getting hired as modders, or even modelers and animators, but I somewhat doubt their "from scratch" skills.
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>>257799064
Nobody wants to play Smash Bros without Nintendo characters. Look at Air Dash Online.
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>>257799064
Because
1. Starting with a mod means you can fuck around, take your time, have already existing tools to start with, don't have any pressure or absolute commitment to deal with
2. They loved Melee and wanted another game like it, so they went and made it
3. They can't get paid for doing anything regarding Nintendo characters
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>>257795558
You say that like the Yuropoors have any other option.
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>>257799638
>They dont have the resources/skills
I guess.

>Air Dash Online.
But that game looked like a shit.

Tried to hard to be animu.

>>257799724
None of these are good reason to they wont make their own game. Especially the third one? What does them not getting paid for using nintendo stuff have to do with them making their own game?
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>>257800954
Making an entire game with no budget isn't easy.
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>>257801537
kickstarter m8.

They have a fanbase now.

So its not like some noname guy doing it.
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>>257799638
Air dash online had bad physics and mechanics, and animations.
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>>257800954
I'm gonna repeat my points to you in simpler words.

Project M compared to a game from scratch is
1. Easier to make because it's not from scratch, and because many others already have tampered with Brawl, and much easier to assemble a team for, and a TENTH of the logistical nightmare

2. This team gathered in the first place because their unifying cause was to make Brawl a better game, so they would have little reason to move on to something else collectively, AT LEAST before they're done with this

3. This mod is so famous not just because it's good (which is subjective), but also because it's a Brawl mod. They would need huge marketing to get nearly as much renown without standing on the shoulders of giants as they are doing. Goind indie means they would have not only to make their own game, but also to make their own hype. And that ain't easy, nor cheap.
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>>257763648
Lucario is Marth's stand?
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>>257801708
But who would the characters be? You can't just reskin Smash, there'd have to be original characters with original moves. All animations would be made from scratch, you'd have to hire VAs, have to somehow bring it to tournaments on a PC, and program absolutely everything.
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>>257801997

I understood you points before, and they are pretty weak.

1. Just because its harder doesn't mean its not worth it. Also they already have some e-fame, if they put an ad out people would flock to them.

2. The fact they already worked together and know each other is already a unifying force, also at what point are they going if they are just going to add characters brand new characters I'd say they are finished.

3.They already have plenty of hype, word of mouth is effective.

>>257802348
Simple start with ripoffs of the nintendo characters. Like how most games have a Ryu type character. Just put in new characters that fit the other character archtypes. Start with a few original characters and just keep adding more and more as the game gets bigger.
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>>257763648

I've yet to see a Project M alt skin that actually has some kind of polish ingame. They all look weird and plasticy and the clipping is awful.
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>>257803465
The shoulders on the marth alt are especially offensive to me, they look like some leveling gear shoulderspads from WOW.
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>>257764387

Call me when the PM guys makes a skin even close to the quality of anything Sakurai makes.
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>>257803348
What archetypes are there in Smash? The moves are based off the character, not the other way around.
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>>257779782
Nothing about those alts on the site.
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>>257803783
What i meant by archtype is for them to basically have their version of characters in PM.

Like a small plasma demon/spirit that uses electricity to attack for pikachu.

Have a guy who has a bunch of future tech and his 2 brothers to be Fox/wolf/falco.

Do that to please the PM players, and to help ease them into the game, then sprinkle in original characters over time.

Also if they keep it relatively cartoony to make it so the characters dont clash too much.
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>>257803465
Clipping is already terrible in Smash Bros. Always has been. That's not really their fault. The plastic looking characters are a better argument, but that kind of depends on the lighting. I like Cyber Mewtwo.
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>>257804604
It just seems off. We all know that it's supposed to be someone else, why not throw in some new stuff? Also, there's not many games out there that are like Melee, so the characters may as well be reskins of the originals.
Where's the fun in making it exactly like the base game? Skullgirls and Shovel Knight aren't like that. You can see the influence of the games they're based off of, but it's not like they ported everything over.
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>>257805165
Well they wouldn't have to remake everyone in the new game, just some of the more iconic/popular smash characters, like Fox and captain Falcon.
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>>257771613
Are those Sonic's alts? Really? They couldn't do something like give him gauntlets and a helmet?
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>>257805872
Why not just remake nobody? Why not make a character that's influenced by multiple characters? Why would I want to go to a new game just to do the same things that I did in another game?
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>>257806226
Why not?

Because they are probably to scurred to do it.
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>>257764481
As a guy making a game, Ya he's a lazy cunt
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>Sami
>Issac
>Skull Kid
>Knuckles
>Lyn
Confirmation when?
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>>257807749
why does EVERYONE keep reposting these same stupid characters? There has never been any indication whatsoever that they will put these characters in the game. stop being stupid.
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>>257809149
Aside from the official forum poll post? You're fucking retarded.
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>>257809149
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>>257764387
>we can't program in all those neat gimmicks for certain characters like Rosalina into PM
>I know! Let's put Sakurai on blast about COSTUMES :^)
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>people asking why they don't just make their own game
I don't want to play some new fighter, I want to play Smash Bros.

I just want the Smash Bros I play to not be fucking awful like Brawl is.
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>>257810858
This, I like Project M and wouldn't care if they made their own game. I think they just genuinely understand balance and what people want more.
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>>257810858
I like Brawl ok without tripping, but with tripping, it's mind blowingly bad. It'd be like a competitive fps like CoD, Battlefield, or Halo having guns randomly not shoot. I don't care if it's realistic; it's a fucking videogame. This goes double for something like Smash Bros. Thank God for Project M and Brawl+.
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>>257763747
FUCK. I just downloaded Project M for the first time literally yesterday. Haven't touched my wii in a while. What is this about a new version already?
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>>257811924
Not out for a while.
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>>257764145
Yes, if you talk about bands, not whole outfits.
There's not even an item band with edgy flames on it. Lucario's skin is pretty cringe-worthy just like its fanbase,
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>>257812682
>Lucario's skin is pretty cringe-worthy.
How?
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Have it running on dolphin, but it always crashes after ~20 minutes
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>>257763648
>Nintendo will never hire the PM guys
They could replace Sakurai tenfold.
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>>257813643
Even if NoA really wanted to it would never happen because NoJ has given Sakurai license to do whatever he wants and Smash is untankable.

I'm almost positive Sakurai took whatever critiques the players had at the Invitational and threw it in the trash.
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After having played both this and melee quite a lot... PM just doesn't do it for me. Something about it is just too far wrong and I don't know what.

Impressive how far they came though.
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>>257770058
Everyone who plays PM will buy Smash 4.
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>>257782938
Found it.
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>>257814046
Smash 4 tanking as a competitive game is going to be such a huge blow back for NoA.
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>>257816304
Why would it? They have nothing invested in it.
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>>257816026

Bull fucking shit.
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>>257811924
You make it sound like it's a bad thing to have a quick release schedule. You also make it sound like Project M just came out. Shit's been out for a while.
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>>257812682
>There's not even an item band with edgy flames on it.
That would be incorrect
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>>257816487
Except setting up the invitational and going hard on getting the competitive community on board for Smash 4.

it's obviously not going to affect sales, but it could lead to some bad PR for them. I doubt it, but who knows.
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>>257817079
The Invitational was advertizement for their game first and foremost and competitive pandering second. Competitive pandering would be putting up a huge pot for a massive event where anyone could come to play the new game. Competitive pandering would've been a pot bonus at Evo.

Contrary to what they've been leading people to believe they've done fuck all for the competitive community, and the community is so small it really doesn't matter. As awesome as they probably think the competitive scene expanding might be, they aren't going to cry when it's not competitively played. Because they know why, because Sakurai doesn't want to design the game to be competitively played.
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>>257816834
Not bad at all. Surprised a but, but kinda annoyed I have to redownload it all. It took forever on this shitty internet.
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>>257817079
They're only appealing to the competitive community because they want Smash fans to buy their game since it's coming out for a failing console. Nintendo doesn't give a shit about them.
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