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So, the DLC added, lore-wise, a living king Vendrick that you can visit through a memory.

Another fragment of Manus and an impaled poison dragon.

And who the fuck was the Sunken King
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Alternatively, why was the dragon full of poison in the first place?
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Who was Yorgh?
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http://pastebin.com/xnMXMnnK,
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No one wants to talk about this, why would you even buy that shit after From promised they wouldn't do DLC? You're literally telling the video game industry that it's okay to lie to your customers when you buy that shit.
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Will there be more havels?

I think so in DLC, imagine a team of 3 led by the one true god.
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>>255494461
because it's fun
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>>255494461
They did the same thing with DaS1
Get over yourself. Popular games get DLC.

Popular doesnt mean its a good game either so gtfo.
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>>255494461
They also said later they would do DLC if players wanted it.
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>>255493992
>Alternatively, why was the dragon full of poison in the first place?

it's very likely his main capabilities and affinity were to poison, even its fiery breath was poisonous.
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>>255493549
who's that other manus fragment? that queen? I haven't played the dlc.
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what was that tree about?
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>>255493992
>>255494183
Yorgh was the one who stabbed the dragon, that's why it has a spear through his torso...

Now, the question is, how the fuck did Yorgh wounded the dragon that way.

And if Manus (as Elana) can summon a Vestalt golem... does that mean that the one we fight and- allegedly- protects vendrick is really working with Manus (nashandra)?

Or is From just lazy
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>>255495191
there is another queen in the DLC, supposedly sunken king's one. She was a MAnus fragment as well and for some reason she sings to the dragon all day erry day
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So are the firekeepers the queens?
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>>255495246
Well, the soul we receive from Velstadt is conspicuously corrupted with Dark. Of course, whether that's because of Nashandra's meddling or simply because he was exposed to the Dark of the Undead Crypt is subject to debate.

What's clear is that Velstadt became subsumed by the Dark at some point over the course of his watching over Vendrick. I don't think he's in league with Nashandra/Elana, per se, but I do think it makes him subject to their manipulations from time to time (i.e. Elana is able to summon him).
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What was the kingdom led by Straid like?

A bit more offtopic question: what level is the DLC area roughly?
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each of the 3 new Kings are past Vendricks- kings from past cycles who were manipulated into linking the fire by shards of Manus
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>>255496240
some people say they are heralds.
One theory I read or maybe listened or whatever is that the player is sent from the future in the intro, that the CG cutscene happens years after the events of the game. and that the old lady that sends you back in time may be Shanalotte
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>>255495440
There seems to be some kinship between creatures of the Dark and the ancient dragons. I don't think it was coincidence that Kalameet arrived in Oolacile around the same time it started sinking into the Abyss.
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>>255496412
It would have been more amusing if she straight up summoned Garl Vinland. We would have an excuse to get his armor set in the game.
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>>255496545
Are we really sure Manus wants the cycle to keep happening?
From what we gather, Nashandra wants to access the throne(is it maybe a kiln?) herself, not trick you into popcorns
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>>255496591
vatti fags pls
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>>255496746

MFW I realized that if you snipe the Horse Knights heads from afar they don't wake up

I have no face.
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>>255494901
This
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>>255494461
I would agree with you if the game felt unfinished in any way shape or form. The game is incredibly long and with the DLC it's even longer with all the shit you can do. With 2 more dlcs coming and the first one being incredible. I don't mind this shit AT ALL.
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>>255496948
was it one of his videos?
Welp, they guy is good for making you notice things with his autistic level of area scanning. but the lore he ties together with said information is sketchy at best
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>>255497267
Yeah it was.
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>>255497237
amazing cosplay; needs filename
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>>255497237
>>255497237
>>255497237


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK

IS Dusk of Oolacile Nashandra?

The gown is so alike, and the haircut.

wat the fug
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>>255497525
Yes she is anon, or the fragment took her form because it was the last thing she could remember. Maybe Dusk was always a cunt or maybe she was corrupted.
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>Mfw the only thing lacking DS2 is it's lore and story
>People are calling the game absolute dogshit because of this.

If you really think the game has shit gameplay or that "Infinite Stamina" bullshit is true, just end yourself. The game is still fucking great.
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>>255497791
The lore is still good.
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>>255497656
And I wore her clothes like a fool.


>>255497791
>>255497905

DS2 has lore, but seeing the struggle of a kingdom under the cycle is not as interesting as seeing the original perpetrators.
The more interesting things were Aldia and Shanallote's rue motives and goals and that was halfassedly explained
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>>255498126
I'm still under the impression that was the intention, I bet with the three crowns we will know whats going down better.
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>>255497237
>that ornstein
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>>255498264
So far Vendrick Dialog gave us nothing new


Seeker of fire, coveter of the throne.
I am Vendrick, ruler of Drangleic.

Seeker of fire, deliverer of crowns.
What do you see in the flames?
Find the crowns, and your own answers.
The crowns hold the strength of lords from time long past.
Seek adversity, as befits you.

Seeker of fire, coveter of the throne.
I'm no king, I'm more fit to be a jester.
I was unaware of my own blindness.
We are feeble vessels, with feeble souls.
We will cast aside the prop of life, only to face greater hardship.
Are you another such fool? Or something more?

I fail to see your design, young moth.
I fail to see your design, wee moth.
But, I see very little, these days.

Continues here if player has the Crown of the Sunken King and the King's Crown.

Seeker of fire, conqueror of Dark.
I too sought fire once.
With fire, they say, a true king can harness the curse.
A lie, but I knew no better…
Seeker of fire, you know not the depth of Dark within you.
It grows deeper still, the more flame you covet.
Flame, oh, flame…

I am king of this wretched, unraveled kingdom.
I subdued the giants, and claimed their strength.
So that I might step closer to fire…
Drangleic will fall, The fire will fade, and the souls of old will reemerge.
With Dark unshackled, a curse will be upon us…
And men will take their true shape…
(last three lines repeated when spoken to again.)

If player attempts to attack Vendrick

Foolish…
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>>255498809
>unused lines that may be spoilers for future DLC, although they still don't tell jack shit


Seeker of fire, I see you've subdued another foul creature.
One of the Father of the Abyss' spawn. That confounded quintessence of Humanity.
The abyss once had form, but then disappated. And yet traces of its existence endured.
Each fragment, thirsting for power, spread Dark with no relent.
My dead Shandra, was one such fragment.
The feeble, tiny thing that thirsted for power more than any other. Driven my unsatiable lust for a worthy vessel.
Fire came to be, and with it disparity. Heat and cold, life and death, light and dark.
Dark was seen as a curse. Shadow is not cast, but born of fire.
And the brighter the flame, the deeper the shadow.
Inherit fire, and harness the dark. Such is the calling of a true leader.
One day fire will fade, and dark will become a curse.
Men will be free from death, left to wander eternally.
Dark will again be ours, and in our true shape, we can bury the false legends of yore.
Only... is this our only choice?
Seeker of fire, coveter of the throne, seek strength. The rest will follow.
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>>255494718

>They did it here so its okay here! Everyone does it so that mean its okay!

This site is fucking done. How has it gotten this bad? This site may have always been the asshole of the internet but atleast the users had integrity.
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>>255499192
read
>>255497237
Then fuck off back to reddit. Dark souls had 1 expac, and we get 3 in 2 for the same price. FUCK OFF.
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>>255499058
>The feeble, tiny thing that thirsted for power more than any other. Driven my unsatiable lust for a worthy vessel.

>lust
>vessel

Is he talking about how babies are made?
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>>255499310

>fuck off back to reddit

I have and never will even look at that website for a single second. A person who wants this site to be a hugbox telling someone else to go that cesspit. That is rich.
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>>255499601
Except noone is saying that, everyone wants Expansion packs, this is one. This isn't a cash grab, this is real content and a fuck ton of it. Fuck off faggot.
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>>255499310
>3 tiny dlc packs with a lot less content for the shit sequel costs the same price as the full on DLC for the good prequel

top lel
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>>255499915
>3 tiny dlc packs with a lot less content

The first DLC alone has more weapons and spells than AotA, and only 1 less boss
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>>255499601

>comes into a thread discussing lore with the sole purpose to argue and tell everyone that this game and this board is shit without contributing anything remotely relevant

anon, you have problems. I'm sure there is a reddit board you can go to that caters to people like you.
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>>255499915
Yeah except the first DLC was bigger than AotA, dumb faggot.
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>>255499904
>>255500070

Holy shit that fucking viral. How much are they paying you and where do I sign up?
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>>255500220
>muh boogeyman
Pathetic faggot. Again fuck off out of the thread so we can have some discussion again.
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>>255499601
>muh skerit club
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>>255500220

lmao xD you found out I'm a shill because I support something I like, how did you do it :( did Anonymous help you? Or are you a l33t hax0r :O?

They pay in internetz (I almost have five whole internetz!!!1) and you sign up at reddit!
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>>255500350

Come on man. Just a link to the application page is all I'm asking. Ill make sure I tell them its you who referred me.
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>>255500350
stop responding and keep discussing dude.


So, is the Rotten the sunken king?

Are we traveling in time when entering the DLC?
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>>255500562
the rotten is olenford
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>>255500606
Wait who is Olenford?
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>>255500539
>>255500420
>>255500350

You have to have brain problems or work the for the company in question to get this mad about someone talking about DLC acceptance being bad in general. Goddamn,
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>>255500606
after the DLC I'm not so sure.
the Statues come from shulva, and we see he is obsessed with them.

He is as well a poison lover and the whole Shulva kingdom was built around a poisonous dragon.

>>255500748
Some dude that appears on the item descriptions, a magician of sorts. there is a huge pasta explaining why he could be the Rotten, there is another explaining why Pharros is the Rotten, so... yeah DaS lore...
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>>255500797
This is got to be one intense bait or the biggest faggot I have ever seen
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>>255500936
Got a link to that stuff?
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>>255494718
releasing cut content to PC gamers for free with Dark Souls 1 is not the same as planning 3 DLCs like two months after the game came out and still not fixing half the problems with it

also ds1 DLC is god among god tier its better than 80% of the main game
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>>255501045
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>>255500797

Says the person who comes into a thread to shit in it and not contribute anything useful. I'm just taking the piss out of you m8.


Back on track, are Vendrick and McDuff related at all? I just find it coincidental that they both say "Flame, dear flame..." in the same way and in the same accent.
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>>255498809
>>255499058
>all this long pretentious bullshit that barely says anything

Yep, that's Dark Souls 2 writing alright. Without Miyzakai around they can't write for shit. Go back and play AotA and you'll realize it never was never like this originally. NPCs told you what they knew without making everything vague and pretentious for the sake of making vague and pretentious.
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>>255501137
Shulva map is almost as good as Oolacile, IMHO.

>>255501208
I catched that too, but I think it just shows how powerful is the fire fixation to those close to it
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>>255493549

Is that the fucking Dragon Bone Smasher?
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>>255501208

I wasnt even talking about From just the industry as a whole. Baiting the other two Fromdrones telling me to go back to reddit was just icing on the cake. Enjoy the rest of the thread~
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>>255501137
Except it wasn't free dumb faggot, it cost money until they bundled it with the prepare to die edition, you would know this if you weren't playing souls games on PCs expecting your opinion to be taken seriously.
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>>255501530

Why do you keep calling people faggots like its a bad thing? Why are you so in love with the souls games?
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HOW DO I USE THE DLC WITH A LEGIT COPY?

i mean i guess i could just get the pirated version but i don't really wanna do that
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>>255501530

Didn't realise being a fan of a franchise makes you a drone these days, guess that's what this board has come to with the likes of you.

>>255501384

Damn, was hoping there was some relation. Is there anything lorewise related to the Shrine of Winter? Was hoping something would happen there with the DLC but nothing.
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>>255501530
>it cost money until they bundled it with the prepare to die edition, you would know this if you weren't playing souls games on PCs expecting your opinion to be taken seriously.
ive been playing since demons but ok dude keep making yourself upset at nothing.

and yup the PC was always prepare to die so yup it was always free for PC

it would have been free for consoles too but they wont allow that to happen (see left 4 dead dlc for example)

calm down nigger
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>>255501906
Except I have been playing since Demon Souls as well dumb fuck. So obviously the DLC wasn't free for consoles because it came out WAY before PC. You didn't even need to mention it, just know that your argument was invalidated.
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>>255502051

This guy ruined the thread more than the dude trolling before. Thanks asshole.
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>>255499058
Melisandre confirmed
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>>255501723
Because most other games are pretty shit tier as of late. And because all the people shitposting here have no cohesive arguments.
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>>255501780

...what? Once you get the Dragon Talon, take it to the Primal Bonfire in Black Gulch. That's it.
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>>255502051
>releasing cut content to PC gamers for free
can you not read friend? :) where did i say it was free on consoles? get this fucking hothead out of here.
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>>255502192
>>255502192
who?
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>>255502175

This. I didn't mind talking to the DLC guy, but this faggot right here is being angry for the sake of being angry. It's just...sad.
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Where do these Souls games take place? Are they in some alternate purgatory dimension or is it the real world with magic just gone to shit? Is there outer space?
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>>255502051

Holy fuck do you read what you type? That couldnt sound any more pathetic even if you tried.
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>>255502280
You said the DLC was free like people who got it first didn't have to pay for it you incessant mongoloid. Implying that it was always free and should be for PC again, even though console is getting the DLC alongside with us this time and we don't have to wait a year to play the game. So stop backtracking faggot and start killing yourself.
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>>255502337
thats because hes trolling you
maybe you should stop responding
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>>255502250
pirated dlc nigger
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>>255502426
4/10
you could have kept going

i knew you were fucking with me when you said the dlc was on console first
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>>255502565

You can't use the pirated DLC with a legit copy of the game you stupid faggot.
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>>255502483

I'm not even talking to him, he's clearly trolling or just angry because daddy touched his nono spot.

He's probably one of those hackers in DaS that took it upon themselves to curse and break all your equipment.
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>>255502665
Holy shit you're retarded.
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>>255502675

Serious question. Are you old enough to post on this site?
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>>255502675
You must be 18 or older to post on this site new friend :^)
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>>255502483
Acting like a retard for the sake of acting like a retard is not trolling. That word's definition has been bastardized.

And newfags (or shitposters-in-general) cannot stop responding to shitposters no matter how many times they are told to stop.
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>>255503046
>Acting like a retard for the sake of acting like a retard is not trolling.
it is if you single handedly derail and thread and get everyones attention by trolling them
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>>255502293
a character from game of thrones. don't worry about it.

she just has some very similar dialogue regarding fire and shadow.
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>>255503336
Don't you have some /tv/ generals to shitpost in? Go away.
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>>255503536
no you go away i'm from fit not tv
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>>255503536
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>>255503630
Shouldn't you be looking at yourself in the mirror following scoobys rules then? go away
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>>255503867
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>>255502673
legit copies already have the DLC, "pirating" it is just hacking in an item and faking a value check or nocliping through a wall
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Sunken King was before DaS1
Iron King was after DaS1
Ivory King before DaS2
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>>255496746
You know i have been thinking recently.

In Dark Souls 1 the bonfires are fueled by Humanity, which is basicly the energy of the Abyss (Dark). The more humanity you spend on it. The stronger the bonefires become.

The bonfires are linked to the first flame. Which means the first flame is fueled by Dark/Humanity.

Now, if you look back at the intro of Dark Souls you see that after the first flame was lit, undead are awaking to approach it and touch the first flame. These undead are infact the human gods we see afterwards (Gwyn, Nito, the Witch), aswell as the Furtive Pygme who is the father of the normal humans.
Judging by some elements like the goddess of sin being feared even by the human gods, further indicates that there were gods before the first flame, most likely born from nature spirits and dragons.

So being undead is not a curse that befell humanity recently. It's a natural state for all human beings, which includes the gods, the great humans (Artorias, black knights and co.) and the small humans (the normal ones like the PCs).

However to lift the state of being undead one has to burn some humanity (energy of dark) on a bonfire. This is likely what happend when the gods touched the first flame. Their humanity which they naturaly absorbed was burned away turning them into living beings.

So it seems humanity/dark was part of the overall nature of the world before the first flame. So it's entirely possible that the Dragons themself fed on humanity from the Abyss.

Perhaps that's actualy why they were challenged by the gods. The gods needed the first flame to be human, but with the first flame burning away humanity from the Abyss, the dragons were robbed of their natural energy source. So they fought the gods.

Now that the first flame also became weaker the Abyss was finaly able to reach back into the world and as you pointed out. A dragon appeared to feed on it.
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>>255505923
What are you talking about ?
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>>255495246
I've been thinking about this for awhile. I think the reason Velstadt's soul is darkened is deliberate, but so are the Watcher's and Defender's souls. And then, since Nashandra couldn't follow Vendrick into the Undead Crypt, why was Velstadt able to? Since the other two dlcs could possibly have more shards of Manus, perhaps the whole picture might become clearer (though chances are it won't)
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>>255493549
Yorgh defeated the Sunken King. That's about as much lore as we get in the DLC
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>>255507763
It's too bad there's no Yorgh fight. He probably died as soon as he struck the dragon, since you find his ring on a corpse, which is probably his.
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>>255506863
I think being hollow is the true state of man. Where they have nothing but a mad drive to consume out souls.


>However to lift the state of being undead one has to burn some humanity (energy of dark) on a bonfire. This is likely what happend when the gods touched the first flame. Their humanity which they naturaly absorbed was burned away turning them into living beings.
This makes no sense. Why would they become living beings with the humanity burned away? It seems the OPPOSITE is true. When you have humanity in you you take on the human form.

If you burn humanity, it produces estus.
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>>255494461
its a great dlc, fuck off with your das2 hate maymay
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>>255509035
And forgot to say, while being hollow is the true state of man, I think the CURSE of infinitely being reborn after death is separate and not natural.

I subscribe to the "Gwyn made it" theory. As a means to get humans to nuke themselves like he did in order to prolong the age of fire indefinitely.

As long as people are cursed, they'll seek humanity, burn it at bonfires, absorb it, whatever. This is a way of keeping the dark at bay. If only a little. Until a powerful enough undead can sacrifice himself in a blaze of glory to keep the dark at bay. Once that happens, there's no need for undead and the curse is TEMPORARILY lifted.
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>>255497237
>no ornstein armor with flowing mane
why even live
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I just love playing DSII because the influx of srcubs who look up builds that they have no clue how to use. And my all time favorite way of killing people is through guard breaks. Sure Havels greatsheild can damn near stop a train, but I'll just push it out of the way and stab you. And If I'm feeling like a huge prick I'll push it out of the way and use some shit like a great combustion or forbidden sun point blank.
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>>255509216
Yeah I really liked the DLC, it made me feel like I was in a Demon Souls level world 4 with the thunder dragon at the end. The tombs reminded me of that place a lot.
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>>255509035
I think it means that being unhollow requires humanity to be consumed like fuel.

Also "humanity" in Dark Souls is indicated to be something dark and terrible, it deforms humans and turns them into monsters, destroys the mind and destroys the soul of a living being.

Also you are in fact using up humanity, not absorbing it, to remove being hollow. The humanity counter indicates how much humanity your character has in him. If you turn him from hollow into living, one point of humanity is gone. Forever.

So you are infact burning up a point of humanity to become living. You are not absorbing it.
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>>255496545

Oh christ, we're going to get another 2 reskinned Nashandras aren't we. I wonder what rehashed bosses they will summon.
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>>255493549
I liked the lore of the Yorgh and his knights conquering the city to drink dragon blood but ended up killing everyone because of poison shit
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>>255495246
>And if Manus (as Elana) can summon a Vestalt golem... does that mean that the one we fight and- allegedly- protects vendrick is really working with Manus (nashandra)?

When you first visit the queen, Velstadt is standing right next to her as a guard.
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I just started this game and I was wondering what the best stats were, like in Dark Souls 1 it was pointless to level up certain stats beyond certain points, what is the best strength / dexterity in Dark Souls 2?
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>>255513761
I've heard this but I've never seen it.
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>>255509719
Look harder
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