What are you hoping for? What do we know already?
Game has been officially delayed to Q3 2015
Anyways, I hope for a non-school setting, instead I want a workplace setting with adult themes. First half of game takes place in University and the other half at a workplace.
Post a fucking source. I refuse to believe this.
Although, I can't say I didn't see it coming from a fucking mile away.
- Both male and female protagonist
- Social links have an affect on character interactions outside of the actual social link (different dialogue between characters etc.)
- Bigger more open city to explore that feels more alive
- All personas have new updated artwork and models instead of old shin megami tensei ones
- Dungeons are more fun and complex instead of just an endless series of repetitive corridors
- Only small references to past games (brief character cameo, small easter egg etc.)
- Enemies are more varied instead of just pallet swaps
- Gay/lesbian relationships (not too bothered about)
- Reason to carry on interacting with completed social link characters by having things such as bonus events and so on.
- stats like courage and knowledge play a bigger role throughout the game and have more events and mechanics associated with them such as courage allowing for more critical hits in combat or something along those lines.
- Fusion system from P4G
- more serious/gritty but still occasionally light hearted theme than P4
I want Persona to be closer to SMT again but that's not ever gonna happen. Other than that, I expect this game to have a dark and serious plot this time as opposed to P4 which is too fucking cheery and wacky.
yeah i get what your saying hence why i put im not too bothered, i only want them in their if their done right i dont want it to be a major selling point, just an extra thing for players who want to try something else
With the way things are nowadays and how popular Persona is in the US, I'm pretty sure it'll get localized very soon after it comes out in Japan. Fucking SMT4 got released in the US only a couple months after it came out in Japan.
You know they're going to keep the dating sim in, you know it's going to be about "shadows" instead of actually having demons, and you know that it'll work its ass off to appeal exclusively to the people who only like P3 and P4.
and with the way atlus has been churning out the spinoffs like dancing all night and persona q I reckon that there trying to keep the hype train for persona rolling and get a bigger fanbase for it before its released. It wouldnt make sense for them to do all of that and then release it way later than japan
Prison School? It's not in the flavor of Persona at all though. It's a really tongue in cheek comedy that revolves around a group of boys being the only males in a school. Lewdness ensues.
>You know they're going to keep the dating sim in
well my hope is less they stop doing it and more they work all that into the game better.
My biggest gripe with social links was that they all seemed to exist in a separate universe. You could enter a relationship with most any of the girls and that was it the end. Fuck even Bioware games have more payoff than that.
What if the Slinks all happen in the main narrative so if you and Girl X become lovers then that changes the story even if however slightly
>open world like skyrim
>They should make something that isn't persona at all.
Persona 3 and 4 weren't persona at all when you compare them to 1 and 2
What're you talking about? I've been lurking /v/ Persona threads for years and it's clear that Persona is one of those weird series where the first game in the series is called something like "Persona 3" and then the sequel, "Persona 4"
Strange as it sounds, there actually is no Persona 1 and 2!
When it comes to Persona 1 and 2 I don't know whether to touch them or not. You niggers are constantly saying it's shit but then you guys always talk about how P3/P4 fags are fags for not touching the old ones. I love classic SMT so I don't know if I should play them or not. WHAT DO
it's less we think they're shit and more we don't want to give people any misinformation.
They're fine games with interesting stories and a lot of good elements.
But they can be a slog and a lot of the mechanics haven't aged gracefully
P1 is hot garbage and got raped during localization. It also has very little to do with anything else. P2 started to resemble Persona as we know it, and, while it's unwieldy, it's a pretty good Playstation era RPG.
And the final boss is Literally Hitler.
>In P1 and 2 everyone can use any persona right?
I don't think it was ANY but they had more options yes
aye that would be cool but i wouldnt want those changes to exclude content depending on which gender you choose to play as like P3P where you couldnt have social links with male teammates if you were male or you couldnt have links with female teammates if you were female
Im shocked how little we know with how soon it's supposed to be out.
and as weird as it sounds Im glad for that. I mean I want to see some screen shots and character art but these days its like most games are show in full online to such an extent there's no surprises.
Every site wants to have a thousand videos to show off ever aspect so theres nothing left to discover on our own
>I don't know whether to play Persona 1 or not
I'm hoping best girl returns as head of the Velvet Room.
P3 MC replaces Igor with Elizabeth at his side
I would cum buckets
It's good that their building suspense but if they go too long without showing anything then people are gonna start to forget about it which is why im hoping that they show at least something at TGS like an anime cutscene trailer, small amount of gameplay or maybe even a combination of both
>wont actually have a bunch of delinquents and teen criminals in some juvie correctional school
>Marie fag detected
You're sounding a little optimistic there. P4 still has a few anime spin-offs, different genre game spinoffs, and a few more sequels to the shitty fighting game in it. People will never stop eating up P3 and P4 shit.
>People will never stop eating up P3 and P4 shit.
I know I won't. Do you even hunger?
No boring ass dungeons, Top Tier Waifus, Decent Story, Actually fun, Game ends up being the best PS3 jrpg looking game, Nice OST, and for the love of god include emotional factors such as girls get depress if u mess with other grilss and guys get mad if u do something uncool also some freedom to go around the city wouldn't be bad as well
>a bad thing
I'm hoping for a Persona 1/2/2.5 remake bundle with functional controls/graphics before that.
But Persona Q only comes out like 3 days later in Europe.
>- Gay/lesbian relationships (not too bothered about)
What if everyone was essentially bisexual and you could choose whether to choose a lovers/friendship route?
How are the female routes anyways? Can you romance the guys if you play as the grill?
Unlike in P3 and P4 where you could move forward with others, P5 will be about taking matters into your own hands.
I think this will mean that the cast in P5 will outright work together strictly as partners rather than friends. It could lead to some interesting scenario's in the vain of The Answer's "NO I WANT THE KEY!" section only done a shitload better than how the Answer handled it.
I get that, but I'm more interested in Persona anyways.
>Not the special edition though which really bothers me.
What? When does that come out then? I tried searching for a few stores to pre-order but it's sold out everywhere here.
>paying 90 euros for something that's 80 dollars
>for 11 cards and a soundtrack
Your choice man.
yeah i think the characters being unannounced bisexuals would work well as i wouldnt like it if it had to be brought up in game to shove it in the players face and make them realize it as it wouldnt feel natural, and yes i think it would be cool if you could just romance any of the romancable social links regardless of gender, not as a major thing but just as a small extra that adds another layer of player choice
>What? When does that come out then? I tried searching for a few stores to pre-order but it's sold out everywhere here.
I pre-ordered via US Amazon about two weeks ago. Got a friend in America who'll bring it back with him, so no shipping costs or anything.
It's not about being progressive at all. It's about your choices mattering. just like you can friendzone the grills if you so desire.
Yeah that's what I wanted as well, they shouldn't advertise it because that would just take the focus away from the game.
Except it would be pretty dumb if every male character was like HEY BRO NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW EACH OTHER WANNA GIVE ME HOT DICKINGS OR JUST STAY PALS? Y/N to a male PC.
I'd rather there be a couple dedicated bi/lesbian/fag characters like Jun rather than everyone just being bi so you can stick your virtual dick into anything you wanted
>I'd say Persona is getting a fair amount of attention these days.
Atlus seems like they consider those games done and over with. Besides the attention is really just going toward P3/4 rather than the entire series as a whole.
>We chose our characters sexuality for each character to pander our demografic.
Real life sucks so much. There's this cute lesbian who ain't willing to suck my dick ;_; Hopefully I can waifu whoever I want in the next Persona game!
>Atlus seems like they consider those games done and over with.
You got insider information?
That's why I said bisexual. It's a fucking game about highschoolers saving the world through the power of friendship. Who cares if it's not 'realistic'?
>implying you can't get a lesbian to suck your dick
>being attracted to lesbians in the first place
Stop making up stories that obviously never happened.
>not sucking your lesbian friend's dick instead
Besides you could never waifu everyone.
shit goes down. It was fucking great.
I wanted to play it before playing EP so I can know who is number 1 dude and that model
I like to have physical copies of things and since I don't have to pay for shipping or import this time I don't mind paying for the special edition. It's about 60 Euro which isn't much for me.
>Play Persona 1 the other day
>Enemy is supposed to be weak to ice
Persona 1 and 2 are very different from 3 and 4 as they are more like a traditional JRPG where as 3 and 4 have a big social element mixed in that focuses on building relationships with other characters with less emphasis on combat however the combat is still solid so i recommend trying whichever of these you think would suit you before trying persona 5 as you can easily emulate any of the above on your computer
>That part where nanjo talks so much shit on kandori that he gets ass blasted and throws a hissy fit
>that part where he tells maki to man the fuck up
>on top of that he a great party member
#1 MAN IN JAPAN
>finished up Catherine yesterday
>thinking about how nice the game looks
>remember that P5 is going to be in a similar style
P5 is gonna look pretty damn good
welp that's embarrasing, what I meant to say is
>>characters can't have both character progression and romance/friendship options
If you can in real life why not in-game? Is there not enough room you think?
Do you guys think they'll water down the gameplay more than they did with P4?
You don't need insider information. There's plenty of signs that Atlus doesn't want much to do with P1/2 anymore since the release of EPP. The PSP releases for P1/2 aren't listed on p-ch.jp despite being more recent than the original Persona 3 and 4 which are older games. Not to mention the lack of anyone from those two games in the newer upcoming Persona titles.
>You will never play as black mark in DAN
well i always consider persona a completely different series than shin megami tensei and i like the social aspect but i can see why fans of the first two wouldnt like it however they still have the core shin megami tensei games without the social stuff so at least people who dont like it can just enjoy how it originally was by playing them instead
It would be very surprising if they remade the first two persona games but hoping for it seems like you'd be setting yourself up for disappointment
>but hoping for it seems like you'd be setting yourself up for disappointment
I got an endless amount of games in my backlog, if the time ever comes I'll be happy. If it doesn't come I won't shed a tear.
Sega Sammy =/= Sega
I'm fairly sure Atlus is still pretty much independent.
That rhythm game doesn't make sense though, I'm happy Nintendo is getting Persona games now too.
The fighting game is actually pretty nice if you're into that stuff.
Why Maya is best girl but has the worst Personas?
A female lead protagonist that is not from an alternate universe. (P3P)
A battle system that uses what Persona 3 did and expands on it. (ironically, FF13 already did this). Persona 4's battle system was way too simplified thanks to giving you control over all the players unlike Persona 3.
Proper Overworld this time. None of this "point and click Overworld" nonsense.
Characters that are not retreads of old ones.
No insert characters like Marie or Labrys.
Sounds like someone with no swag
>A battle system that uses what Persona 3 did and expands on it. (ironically, FF13 already did this)
>FF13 already did this
like, explain because I don't get it
>No insert characters like Marie or Labrys
Marie, I agree, half the reason shes so bad is because how obviously she was shoehorned in afterwards
but Labrys is fine, shes from a Spinoff but is well rooted in the existing story and lore of the previous games, and shes also a good character
Point and Click was only for P3P though.
Yu's the baddest motherfucker I have ever met.
More than anything, I just want the social links to actually affect the story. If I'm boning my waifu, I want her to act like it and I want everyone to know
More outfits. And more skimpy costumes for the
I support this. You could pretty much bone every girl in P4 and they wouldn't even notice/nothing would change.
>Return to the Philemon/Nyarly conflict
>MC that is not a paint by numbers self-insert and actually has their own personality
>Less dependence on Social Links
I just want Persona 2 again.
Did you play Persona 3? It was like despite the fact that it only allowed control for one character, it was faster (allowing for more attacks), integrated job class changes to deal with the situations, and integrated buffs and debuffs. FF13 used Persona 3's battle system and expanded on it to make it faster, allow for more attacks, change class jobs more often and integrated buffs and debuffs even more.
Labrys kind of breaks the whole "Aigis was the last of her kind" by saying "except she is not". Plus there was the fact that she stopped running despite the fact that the people trying to catch her were either going to kill her, force her to fight in worse conditions, or lock her away forever. She wasn't exactly the brightest character in P4A.
Uh, there was point and click Overworld in both Persona 3 and Persona 4. I want a normal one, not them to dangle it around in front of my face. Either make the overworld or leave it out. Don't just show me what I COULD have had.
Did you play FF13?
I don't even know what you're going on about, I've played both and enjoyed both
>integrated job class changes to deal with the situations
Changing Jobs and changing Personas may be an identical concept, but its definately not the same thing
>integrated buffs and debuffs
because no JRPG ever did that besides both of them
Thats all the similiarities you can find?
No the job classes that the other characters had. Like telling Mitsuru to go and heal, Aigis to go beserk mode, and telling Ahkihiko to cast nothing but debuffs at the enemy, etc. They were like Commando, Medic, Synergist, etc. from FF13.
A lot of JRPGs out there don't integrate Buffs and Debuffs to be something that has to be used to win the game. A lot of times, I have come across the "attack, attack, attack, Heal" method of enemies that bothers the shit out of me.
Persona 3 and FF13 make sure you can't win with just that method. Even against normal enemies.
Face it anon, he's not coming back noway nohow.
>tfw you failed to protect his smile
wow, thats about it
Next thing you're going to tell me is that the shock system is based on the all out attack system or something
>A female lead protagonist that is not from an alternate universe. (P3P)
Do you mean the chain gauge? Because that was based on FF7's limit break meter.
I still have Ken so everything is great.
I wouldn't mind anon.
especially if i can get apussy/pussy action.
mfw i need to stop reading that doujin but i can't stop
>What are you hoping for?
Tomboys and reverse traps. If the game has at least one of these, then I'm picking it up.
Actually my first fetish is
BDSM, don't care about the gender as long is ero
tic and well done
I want Atlus to try something else, i'll kill myself if they even try to be SJW like Bioware
>naoto has small tits on her character model
>naoto has small tits when in the bath scene
>naoto has small tits in the anime
>naoto gets visibly embarrassed when her chest size comes up, but despite there being no evidence to suggest either everyone assumes theyre cowtits because ???
>due to everyone believing this despite there being obviously more evidence to suggest the former, naoto now has cowtits in golden
i never understood; she clearly was flat chested as fuck originally
>I don't want Atlus to go SJW
Then you don't want lesbians in the game. That's the first step. Suddenly it turns out Kanji was gay the whole time and Naoto gets a sex change between games.
>Choice between male and female MC from the start
>No more Shadows
>Return of negotiation
>Fully voiced social links
>More fleshed out job system
>Bigger Persona count
>An actual Philemon appearance instead of save point/butterfly Philemon
>More interaction with your Personas; making them like side characters instead of things you use to fight with and boost social links
I'm not worried about lesbians or japan going full shitlib or anything like that. Waifu hunting is just a big part of the appeal of Persona, as much as people hate to admit it, and having a girl only protag would pretty much ruin it for me. Getting to choose your sex like in P3P would be ok, but female only, fuck that.
>Well how do you think girls feel about it?
>Suddenly it turns out Kanji was gay the whole time and Naoto gets a sex change between games.
Bioware would totally make that, jesus.
I want to try something from a different gender perspective.
some of it looks god tier like this one http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130906025607/megamitensei/images/f/f5/Minotaur_SMTIV_Full_Artwork.jpg
But then some of it i find boring and unimaginative like this one http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080706004955/megamitensei/images/thumb/1/1c/TakemikazuchiSMT.jpg/1000px-TakemikazuchiSMT.jpg
Relax. Japanese developers couldn't care less about the incessant whining of SJWs.
but Persona 4 didn't cared about the word trans,
and if Naoto really didn't liked the group and doing feminine things, she would left like a minute after they saved her.
They really so retards that they try to see deep things on everything they don't like?
It would really behoove Atlus to remake P1 and P2 completely, make them mesh better world wise with P3 and P4. Either that or just say they're two different universes.
>and Naoto gets a sex change between games.
Actually she probably wouldn't. I imagine the only thing worse than being female in a Japanese profession dominated by males would be being trans.
This is gold. Anything about Kanji?
>thinking a character is actually trans when even the character herself says she only dressed like a man in order to not be treated like shit
SJWs aren't really this stupid, right?
This is truly ironic. Tumblr sjw's are so fervent in their self-righteous crusade to prop up trans people that they actually end up pigeon-holing characters as being transgenders worse than other people do when they deny that a trans character is just "confused".
You really think they would do that after they went from blue haired emo kid to generic grey haired protag?
Protags are supposed to be generic, gender doesn't matter.
>literally mature for the sake of being mature
You're not supposed to drink black coffee because it's a mature thing to do, you're supposed to drink it because it's the only way to not have 18 hours of sleep a day
If they weren's stupid, they would somewhat analize the object and if appropriate give them better way to make better characters with no insult to trans and females.
Disregard all that and let all SJW join a SH, and the neo-Bioware will born and will estanblish a new "must-do on every rpg" : bisexuale, trans and gay who felt oppressive against a nation that don't give a shit about them.
The entire blog is a goldmine of stupidity.
Man, if Raidou isn't in SMTxFE I'm gonna freak out.
>Mens and Trans women are punished for having childdren
I can't hold my breath, i'm fucking dying of laugher here, i need the link of that shit.
don't get why Sonyggers are hyped for this.
just wait and buy the $50 Remaster on PS4 next year
All I'm saying is, basically throwing out everything in the first two games makes for a very disjointed series. Why aren't there Shadows in P1/2 nor demons in P3/4? What happened to Philemon bestowing Personas upon people? Why can everyone and their mother summon multiple personas in P1, yet in P3/4 it's some rare ability?
Like I said it seems like they'd have two choices, either adapt P1/2 to P3/4 (Because the latter are clearly more popular and P5 will in all likelihood incorporate their concepts) or make it clear that P1/2 and P3/4 takes place in separates universes.
No he's not, his midnight channel show was put in the game for homophobes to laugh at. We're supposed to identify with Yosuke after that and recoil/make jokes about him being a sissy.
Better level progression than P4.
I never had a problem with Persona 3, but in 4, I always wound up ridiculously underleveled because the game encouraged you to just prance about with your dick out all the time instead of going into the TV, and I'd get wrecked by the bosses. Making you fight during the day when all the social links and activities take place was fucking retarded. Having it at night in Persona 3 was much, much better.
What? No? It makes perfect sense for 'kids that age' or the 'majority' to make fun of something wacky and/or fruity personalities.
Yosuke is actually pretty chill, sure he's immature, but not about gay shit, he's immature in general.
He's still pretty homophobic in the beginning at least, otherwise he wouldn't have been pissing his pants at the thought of Kanji sleeping in the tent.
don't worry he'll be back
Isn't that just because Kanji is a big bully and they know relatively little of him? He's cool to you if you pretend to be a girl and say shit like 'Yosuke is my type'
I really, really like that picture, I saved it without your permission haha
>He's cool to you if you pretend to be a girl and say shit like 'Yosuke is my type'
But that's wrong.
Is it unpopular here to think that P4 was a much better game then P3? I just burned through both the past month.I really liked the plot,setting,voice acting (P3's was horrible IMO) and gameplay in P4 better. P3 had a bunch of bullshit that pissed me off, especially
>Marin Karin (miss)
>Marin Karin (miss)
Nah nigga, they could have easily left these interactions out of the game. They were consciously included so we could all have a laugh at some fag's expense. Take your bogus rationales elsewhere.
>they could have left them out
But that would break character. Yosuke is immature as shit. This game is about saving the world through the power of friendship and HS games are ALWAYS about coming of age.
Do you even know what you're talking about? They're laughing at faggots, not at gay people.
I want the friends to be like 3.
Fuck 4's "EVERYONE IS BEST FRIENDS" Bullshit, I don't think Fuuka ever hung with Akihiko, I don't think Mitsuru really gave a shit about the Shota. I don't want everyone in the group to be extroverts, that's just annoying.
In P3, protag plays a video game that is an mmo version of P2. Plus, there's some tv channel in either 3 or 4 that references a video game called Original Sin or some shit like that.
Maybe I'm just remembering it all wrong, though.
>They're laughing at faggots, not at gay people.
This doesn't make it magically any better you fucking mongo. It's deplorable, unwarranted, especially in video games.
I better you hate niggers but are just fine with black people too.
>you will never be a qt shota like ken
>you will never be able to hug mitsuru when you get upset
>she will never comfort me and show me her
Actually a few of the P2 protagonists are apparently mentioned on TV in P3 and the Kirijo Group is mentioned to have separated from the Nanjo group.
I'll admit, I haven't played P2 nor completed P3, maybe there is something mentioned in either that clears up some of the differences.
>you will never teach her how to eat burgers
It'd be nice if the characters interacted with each other without the MC having to be there. It felt like there wasn't much for each character once they dealt with their own shadow/SLink
>Persona 3 was released in 2006, takes place in 2009
>Persona 4 was released in 2008, takes place in 2011
>Persona 5 will be released in 2014, will take place in 2017
>5 years after Persona 4
>they waited 6 years to make Persona 5 so that they could
have Nanako as a party member
>It's deplorable, unwarranted, especially in video games.
Says you. I like variety in my personalities.
>I better you hate niggers but are just fine with black people too.
I don't hate them but they're ugly. Is that what you mean? Mudslimes on the other hand stole my games.
that would actually be pretty fun
if it has a single player story mode that's just a bunch of goofy adventures
Also why does Persona Q have a nigger in it? Damn SJW, at least it's a bad guy. (I'm assuming)
Play portable if you want to play the game at 30fps with vastly inferior 3D surroundings, I still play these games with speed toggle but the portable versions are far inferior. (atleast the psp game)
>tfw worked hard and beat Matador.
I hope P5 has a casual filter boss like Matador.
>Also why does Persona Q have a nigger in it?
Because he is not human, duh.
He is not exactly a bad guy. He earsed Rei and his memories so they could be forever together, living "regular" life. The bad guy was creted from his rejected memories and just wanted them to move on instead of living a lie.
>plus fps which is a very minor thing in a turn based RPG
That's literally something that affects 100% of the game. Don't get me wrong I played Portable too but the ps2 version is still better, especially emulated.
Never played the original
On my first playthrough I was CONVINCED that Ken was going to die. He had a few flags for it in my mind, the only weapon drop he was getting was the cross spear and his persona stopped learning abilities really soon after gaining him.
needless to say they broke my expectations pretty quick
I find it funny people rag on P3 and P4 for being easy when P2 is so much easier. The Persona 2 duology are some of the easiest jRPGs I've ever played. I actually died in 3 and 4
P1's SEBEC quest was fairly easy too, save Pandora, but she's the final fucking boss. Can't vouch for Snow Queen Quest.
Sorry anon, the general consensus that she's a titty monster.
P1 and P2 characters got powers directly from Philemon, so summoning is easier and they can switch. Philemon lost a lot of power after Eternal Punishment. In P3 and P4, the characters gain their powers themselves, without Philemon giving it to them. It's a lot harder to do it that way.
>I'm sure you laughed
>stop projecting dude
>It's deplorable, unwarranted, especially in video games.
>I better you hate niggers but are just fine with black people too.
I picked Yukiko.
The worst thing about her is her S.Link.
>I better you hate niggers but are just fine with black people too.
>I better you
Also Niggers and black people are different, this is a fact. Even black people hate niggers
You mean Prison School?
Because that shit is the Ass.
>>Fuck you never make her laugh.
>I love that laughter of hers.
this, her english voice, and her general character design (dem stockings) are what made her best girl in my books.
What about the food stands and restaurants?
Is everyone going to starve to death?
That's just funny. How can this anger people?
Here's another one I love.
You have to beat him within three days or everyone starves to death?
Or maybe every character has different limits. The thin characters are really powerful but fighting and grinding too much quickly depletes their stamina and they'll die of starvation in just a few days, whereas the fat chick is fairly weak but stuffed her face before everyone forgot how to cook and can fight for days on end without starving to death.
Yeah i was its the PSN search shit that is fucked up
Was way way down on the list next to random ass dlc
>Doing Hermit link
>Admits she's attracted to teenage boys as a teacher
>Admits she wants to fuck one of the students she teaches and mentions him by name
>Wants to send a chat log where she says all this to a game developer
You're a genius, Toriumi-sensei.
I think fucknovideogames is actually a parody by someone from /v/, it's too retarded to be real.
Someones beary mad
Bearhaps you should take a beary big bearth
I don't know why people say they hav eto put P2 protagonists on P5, did you guys forget that one of the conditions for the world to keep existing is that they do not atempt to recover their own memories? And that if they actually do try to recover them thats the only excuse Nyarly needs to dig up Xibalba and destroy the world again, so unless he says fuck it and do try to implode the universe again we won't have the P2 characters come back
That's something that did occur to me, it's as a good an explanation as any.
Something else I was thinking is that Persona being nothing but controlled Shadows could be an explanation for contact.
The calendar system is actually more of a timer. Things like fruits are scarce since everyone has been unable to cook or prepare food suddenly so you have to ration what you get among your party members. They'll tell you day by day an idea of how hungry they are but it's something that isn't outright shown to you.