Mai HiME/Mai Otome Thread

>>2322178
Worse couple hands down

>>2322203
Nigga please

Did the robot fuck the little loli bitch?

>>2322277
Ask the old thread, this one just has samefagging because someone made it early.

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>>2322277
Possible and I'm sure Miyu/Nao were fucking too

>>2322178
A new series would be too good for me. Probably never going to happen though.

>>2322178
Why create a new thread, if old one only on page 5?

>>2322178
What new series?

>>2322548
New series or might actually due to yuri on the rise again in Japan.

>>2322565
Probably jumped the gun

>>2322565
What else can you expect from people who idolize a murderous rapist?

>>2322178
anything but hetshit is fine

>>2322620
It's okay when the murderous rapist is hot.

>>2322690
*girl

It's okay when the murderous rapist is a hot girl.

>>2322700
Isn't that obvious?

>>2322620
Not gonna lie, former Shizuru supporter here. This is fucking hilarious watching the First District crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let Shizuru gas the elderly.

>>2322803
>But in all seriousness we can't let Shizuru gas the elderly.
Those eldery were the main bosses of the first district, though. So they deserved their punishment, imo. And most of Himes did pretty shitty things, not only Shizuru. Until a certain point OL played his part well, putting up all the pawns as he needed. I'm not saying that what they did was completely his fault (the choice was still theirs), but it is obvious that he manipulated most of them, using their weaknesses and desires to achieve the result he wanted.

>>2322859
No what you are supposed to say is:
>wtf I hate Shizuru nao
>Guess I'm a #HarukaMissile

>>2322859
Obsidian Lord was just an average local big bad guy trying manipulate the HiME's because he wants a shitty wife and feel like he's boss of this town.

We can argue the HiME were manipulated to kill each other but First District members and the grannies knew what was in for about OL purpose, the town and everyone knew about that HiME's and OL presence.

>>2322620
In all honesty the hypocrisy is aggravating me more than anything at this point. You're hypocrisy that is.

>>2322859
This. Really in both the anime and EXA it's honestly a surprise the Obsidian Lord lost at all.

If Natsuki didn't go all noble and self sacrificy he could of had Shizuru and Mikoto gang up on Miyu in the anime. I would have liked to see discount KOS-MOS being taken down a peg by a giant hydra.

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>>2322570
wait till 2019 anon

>>2323118
I'll be dead by then anon

>>2323118
Only two years is nothing compare to the Te that have already passed.
I could easily wait if that meant a new season

>>2323244
>wait 15 years to announce a sequel

Wouldn't watch it anyway because of how Sunrise messed up the opportunity after releasing the blu-rays.

Now the blu-rays special are 7 years old

>>2323118
I'll have kids by then fuck that

Well.... they're making new Code Geass ten years later. Crazier things can happen. Like they may put an actual lesbian in it who doesn't just have time with a table corner.

>>2323786
Sunrise didn't have no announcement for a 10th anniversary Mai Hime event that something tells you Studio 8 doesn't care or they have something planned in the works.

We will never know why Sunrise never made Mai-related announcement

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>>2323786
Always believe anon, always

>>2323920
This

>>2323920
In Universe B it already happened.

>>2324119
explain further

>>2324296
Is a joke, in some paralel universe it has already happened, too bad we dont live in that universe.

>>2324307
Good. That universe is shit

>>2324533
unless it's the manga

>>2324978
anime>manga

just my two cents

>>2324978
>>2325002
Wait are we talking about Mai Hime or Code Geass if it's Code Geass I've only been exposed to the anime if it's Mai Hime the anime is clearly superior.

>>2325009
I think this thread has evolved into a general Sunrise thread.
If anything, I'd like them to make a Cross Ange anime that isn't shit.

>>2325009
We're still talking about Mai Hime and Otome on which adaptations are better. Since CG got adaptation it's not tool late in the discussion of a new Mai-series.

>>2322178
>AkaneXKazuya gets 0 votes
Why?

>>2325279
>straight couple getting BTFO'd

I'm amused

>>2325279
because it sucks, that's why

>>2325341
Meanie, hating on the straight loverrs

>>2325426
This is /u/. We're here for lesbians. Why do you expect us to care about a het couple?

>>2325431
I was expecting a Bi/full homo couple but having those two lovebirds breaks my heart man

Chie in Otome got me another whole feeling compared to the one on Hime. It's almost as if she was another character, and for me, much better.

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>>2325437
She was the best part of Otome and I say that as a shiznat fan.

I mean just look at her.

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>>2325449

Otome is so much better then the het fest that is Hime. There's like four times more lesbians in it compared to Hime.

>>2325458
On the one hand Chie and Shizuru were super gay and the way they flirted and carried themselves was Elder God Tier, but on the other hand Sergei... that's a lot going against it.

Also I can't not think about the manga and the white hot rage it induces burns brighter than a thousand suns.

I do think the characters are more "solid" in Hime. IDK I like Hime more for shiznat and summoning I'm a sucker for summoners.

>>2325472
Yeah the het was off putting, but I thought Sergei was pretty cool. Way better than his useless counterpart in Hime.

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>>2325436
Akane/Kazu was boring as hell, nothing we haven't seen over and over in movies or anime. I fail to see why I should shed any tears for them, onee-chan

>>2325482
A confident sexy girl in a suit and tie does everything for me.

>>2325479
I feel like they really missed a trick with the creepy Arika/Sergei/Nina triangle. It was incredibly off-putting, given conversely how effective I thought Arika's mommy issues were. But I dunno, apparently the Nips loved it at the time? No hope for the hets.

>>2325567
Was always a Nina/Erstin fan myself.

>>2325479
>Sergei
>cool
More like super creepy for liking underage girls with daddy fetish

>>2325449
Honestly I never felt attracted to the prince-butch types. I cant help but see them as men

>>2323835
>We will never know why Sunrise never made Mai-related announcement
Because they don't give a fuck or have completely forgotten / given up on the franchise

>>2325692
This. I'm massively attracted to ikemen/princely girls in behavior, but not if they physically look butch.

In 2D this mostly means long hair, although there are many feminine short hair style as well (Dokidoki Precure's Mana, Aoishiro's Shouko, etc).

>>2325692
I don't think Chie is butch per se. I mean she has short hair but not like super short it helps to accentuate her feminine face.

She is more bifauxen than butch. A woman who looks princely while maintaining a feminine charm.

When I think butch I think something like buzz cut or super short hair with an emphasis on masculine.

>>2325697
>Because they don't give a fuck or have completely forgotten / given up on the franchise

They haven't given up the franchise completely, there are one reason of this one of the couples are huge moneymakers to the Mai-franchise and Sunrise mentioned Shizuru B-day on a tweet last Dec. ShizNat spinoff project is likely gonna happen.

>>2326041
Bifauxnen isn't really special snowflake specification. If anything the SSS you're talking about led to Bifauxnen being disused. Since you know, they would be considered androgynous girls to anyone with sense

>>2326043
Andro girls fall under butch in 4chan. Lurk moar.

>>2326041
>>2326044
Stop pretending your personal tastes are a community-wide standard.

>>2326041
>>2326044
Uh what? There have been bifauxen threads before and there was nothing special or snowflake about it in what we were talking about.

I know calling everything "snowflake" etc. is the in thing this decade but seriously? You come into this conversation with that? It just seems so petty.

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>>2326052
Also real quick just to shit all over this >>2326044 >>2326041 idiotic argument bifauxen itself has a surprisingly broad scope.

Lady Maria from Bloodborne would also considered bifauxen but leans heavily toward the feminine yet she dresses in masculine clothing and has a seemingly take charge personality.

>>2326054
Lady Marina is called a prince on here, not bifaux or butch or whatever. Dumbass.

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>>2326055
>>2326058
In all my years I've never been accused of being a newfag and no not once in either of the recent Bloodborne threads has Lady Maria been called a prince.

If anyone's New is showing it's yours sweetie. It's actually kinda cute. Really.

>>2326044
Okay pudding pop, sure they do. I guess you forgot what tomboys are.

>>2326041
>>2326058
>>2326068
Official, widely accepted /u/ terminology at work.

>>2326071
Excuses don't shadow ignorance

>>2326073
Except it isn't ignorance it is your hilariously narrow interpretations of female depictions and before you cry "snowflake" or "Tumblrina" like the lost lamb you are, entire yuri genre's and characters have centered around bifauxen in some form or another. Haruka from Sailor Moon, Utena from Revolutionary Girl Utena, and several girls from Strawberry Panic.

I mean bloody hell its basic yuri history.

>>2325946
>Sunrise mentioned Shizuru B-day on a tweet last Dec.

The hell has to do with it anyway

>>2326054
So essentially bifauxen is one step earlier than butch. Which still belongs to the androgynous category.
I have no problem with it, just not my cup of coffee for women falling under any type of the masculinity spectrum.
I very rarely can find short haired women attractive.

>>2326194
>I very rarely can find short haired women attractive.

Then leave son

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>>2326068
What kind of Elements and HiME's that Aoi and Chie would use in battle?

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>>2325546
I know what you mean and I couldn't agree more!

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>>2326324

Aoi-Rapier or Monk styled gauntlets
Chie- Axe type of weapon similar Haruka battle mace in the manga

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>>2326279
No. Me likes some ShizNat

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>>2326194
That's one way of looking at it certainly.

>>2326401
To each their own we all got tastes.

>>2326379
I'm a sucker for large single bladed pole axes.

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>>2326401
No you still leave and never come back

Hating a women loves who love to dress like a man you have terrible taste

>>2326415
Does anyone have full pics or webm. Mai Hime Special ep. 3 of Chie beautiful bare ass and Aoi covering her breasts.

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>>2326401

I prefer MaiNat,I hope I'm not only one who loves this pairing

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Peeps over here arguing about bifaux, and I'm just admiring two drunk women who Sunrise messed up by not putting together. At least we get hints of them together in Mai Otome.

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>>2326622
>I'm just admiring two drunk women who Sunrise messed up by not putting togethe

There's hope Sunrise can make the pairing canon in HiME. I can see Midori-chan becomes a depressive bitch after her Prof. died then Youko and HiME's try to heal her peaceful soul and get her motivation back being Midori-chan leader of the HiMEsentai.

>>2326678
Just accept that a sequel is not going to happen.

>>2326689
>Just accept that a sequel is not going to happen.

Nope the yuri and nostalgia bucks will push Studio 8 back into relevancy again. The Mai-franchise has been much more of a success than LoveLive.

>>2326451
It's more aesthetic, on the face of it. I'd probably like it more if it were focused on specifically as being romantic in the anime.

>>2326678
I don't know about that. I like Midori's character a lot, and I like the pairing, but Midori is confiremed hetero.

>and get her motivation back being Midori-chan leader of the HiMEsentai.
Heh I remembered how Natsuki took away the position of a leader of the HiMEsentai from her before the attack on OL.

Man, Midori is such a fun character

>>2326972
>The Mai-franchise has been much more of a success than LoveLive
Now you're just being delusional. I dislike Love Live, but it has surpassed the Mai franchise when it comes to bringing in money and cultural influence.

>>2326451
you're not alone
My problem is to find material from them two

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Posting these from the last thread cause they're great.

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>>2327189

>>2327191
Ummm no.

>>2326451
They had only chemistry as friends. If it isn't for ShizNat I'd say Natsuki x Nao had some good chemistry.
Also the only girl Mai seemed to be slightly gay with was Mikoto

>>2326415
>a
>women
You just have faggot taste.

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>>2327240
Ummm yes! An emphatic and enthusiastic yes. Hell Saeko should be shoving her tongue down her daughter's throat, put on a little show for Shizuru.

>>2327243
Pleb.

>>2327269
You are being gross.

>>2327304
Are you kidding me?

There's nothing more beautiful than a daughter gazing upon the place she came from. Leaning down to taste and worship her sexy mother's womanhood before coming back up to let her mother partake of the nectar collected in her mouth.

>>2327085
>I dislike Love Live, but it has surpassed the Mai franchise when it comes to bringing in money and cultural influence.

Philippines love HiME, the French loved Otome, the US loved Mai and ShizNat including 4chan that created spoiler texts. 10k in sales is an accomplishment alone for Studio 8 and sold out well in merchandise. You're right about one thing about Hime doesn't have any cultural influence but done it in 4chan and created huge fanbases with ShizNat. Much as I'm too delusional that Sunrise returns the Mai-franchise I'm not giving up completely.

>>2327411
>Philippines love HiME
I thought the Philippines hated it

>>2327483
No. Philippines is a huge contributory to anime

>>2327241
>Also the only girl Mai seemed to be slightly gay with was Mikoto
Mai and Mikoto are like Mother and Daughter meanwhile Reito is trying to get into Mai pants.

Also, I feel like in the next series we have a love triangle relationship with Mai, Mikoto and Reito.

>>2327346
DELETE THIS

>>2328089
I think it's past you bedtime hon.

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>>2328072
>Mai and Mikoto are like Mother and Daughter
This.

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>>2328097
And Mai seems like the type of girl to play up the mommy kink maybe even induce lactation so Mikoto can nurse from her as she's fingered to orgasm.

>>2328105
*pukes in disgust*

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>>2328138
We'll that answers that question. Your new. Maybe this place isn't for you.

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>>2328097

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>>2328575

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>>2328592

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>>2328601

>>2329422
Mai dick

I decided to rewatch HiME for the first time, after a full decade and there's dough I had forgot about the series. For instance, that Natsuki has an extensive collection of lingerie. Well had. I FIND THAT VERY INTERESTING.

>>2329422
I like this
Ironically I could never see them as friends, it seems an excuse to put together what seemed two parallel stories that as true friendship

>>2329488
As a recent watcher as well, that makes me think from where the hell does the Mayo thing comes from? I don't remember anything about it on the anime unless I didn't catch it at all.

>>2329854
DVD extra segments/omake, I think. Natsuki was talking with Nagi while putting an obscene amount of mayonnaise on her food.

>>2329854
On the DVDs at least there are these things taking place between the episodes explaining stuff about the mythos. Natsuki is shown using excessive amounts of mayo on food during some of these.

The manga has her use even more.

>>2329488
Yeah this can be interpreted any number of ways. Fun fact Shizuru works at a lingerie store and most likely is Natsuki's supplier and admire the sexier girls who come through the store as her groping of Mai demonstrates.

And yes Natsuki notes Mai enjoyed it.

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>>2328144
Holy shit...what the hell are those faces?!

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>>2329868
They come from the shadows of your darkest nightmares!

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>>2329880

>>2329864
I kinda concluded that Shizuru used to work in the lingerie store since before, and she introduced Natsuki to it, remembering the CD Dramas.

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>>2329753
The manga was ever close to form a relationship. In the next series I'm sure Mai will have bigger plate when Shizuru as watch dog trying to make sure Mai does flirt hard on Natsuki.

I wonder Shizuru gets a hard on seeing Mai wearing lingerie

>>2329955
Huh, I'm pretty sure Natsuki was interested in lingeries first, which made Shizuru choose a lingerie store as her part-time job just to have more reason to hang around with Natsuki (other than just lending her the computer).

>>2330206
Does Natsuki have any other interests than lingerie, mayo and getting carpet munched by Shizuru.

>>2330295
Motorcycles.

>>2329488
>>2329864
>>2330206

No, it's actually in fact Shizuru who introduced Natsuki to it. It was in Drama CD.

Natsuki's a pervert, because her collection is unrealistically large, she bought tons of underwear. I do think it is a form of substitution for sexual desire. In Freudian psychology, it's called displacement. And since it was Shizuru who introduced her to it, we have a direct connection. Natsuki has a lot of suppressed sexual desire towards Shizuru.

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>>2330329
>>2330206
You're correct. Shizuru was the one who made Natsuki interested in lingeries

>>2329854
It's from jocular Omake. I attached picture.
Mai-Hime fandom just exaggerated it to the impossible size. To the point that she can't live without mayo.

>>2330326
And revenge

>>2330341
Accidentally chose the wrong message. I wanted to choose this >>2329955 and not this >>2330206

Sorry

>>2330343
>revenge
you mean she's good for failing at revenge

>>2330329
>In Freudian psychology
You should never use this as an argument for anything.

>>2330947
>you mean she's good for failing at revenge
No, I seriously meant that. I actually think that she is really good at investigation. And the reason, why she did not bring revenge to the final point, has been clearly disclosed in Mai-Hime.

>>2331011
>And the reason, why she did not bring revenge to the final point, has been clearly disclosed in Mai-Hime.

Well Searrs Foundation and remnants of First District says otherwise. The HiME's will suffer through the long haul while all these problems continue on.

>>2329955
>I kinda concluded that Shizuru used to work in the lingerie store since before

It's been canon in Mai Hime Drama CD and she still works there during the anime.

>>2330963
>implying Freud wasn't right about everything
>implying your futile attempts to tear him don't isn't just your Oedipus Complex acting up

>>2331823
Freud was a shitty psychologist anyway

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>>2331884
This. Freud was obsessed with dick and thought everyone wanted to fuck their parents.

He also had weird views about lesbians I can't remember what they were but I remember laughing. Freud is just what every fresh college kid gets into when they want to be edgy.

He was a pioneer who helped cause breakthroughs but his theories were ultimately flawed.

>>2330963
>>2331884
>>2331926
Although he was a sexist ass and many of his theories are a shit. But his analysis of defense mechanisms, which includes displacement, found their development and confirmation.

>>2330329
Although in Natsuki's case, sublimation fits better.

>>2331011
Agree. Quite often, fans do not give enough credit for Natsuki's abilities and intelligence, I think it has more to do with the stupid fanon image that Mai-Hime fandom created over the years - mayo loving blushing shy idiot

>>2331926
>that pic
Jesus Christ.

You guys do know that Freud theories had been discredited by the science community for the unscientific researches and unreliable data processing he did, yes? You guys do know that your paper will be rejected if you quote Freud, yes? You guys do know that scientists will laugh in your face if you use Freud as the basis to draw your conclusion, yes? You guys do know that Freud contributed to the development of modern psychology by being wrong which drove other scientists to make a breakthrough by proving him wrong, yes?

Either get some education, or stop talking about shit you don't have a clue about.

>>2332034
Seriously, none of that is news to anyone, but the moment someone mentions Freud on the Internet, some super expert just has to come and start going "actually". It's as if they have a deep-seated, irrational need to (metaphorically) kill the father (of modern psychology).

>>2332043
>"hurr durr I knew all that, I only mentioned him, not using his theories to prove a point or a-anything"
>proceeding to him the father
Why do you want to suck your dad's cock so much, anon? He's not even your real dad.

>>2332063
Since you're such an expert and aren't just triggered by Freud's name, I'm sure you'll be able to cite studies that disproved his theories of defense mechanisms and present an overview of the field's current thinking on the topic.

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This has been both entertaining and educational but uh you know Mai Hime yuri?

<<<Natsuki you done goofed.

>>2332072
Cramer P. Understanding Defense Mechanisms. Psychodyn Psychiatry. 2015 Dec;43(4):523-52. doi: 10.1521/pdps.2015.43.4.523.
Vaillant GE. Involuntary coping mechanisms: a psychodynamic perspective. Dialogues in Clinical Neuroscience. 2011;13(3):366-370.
>Such coping mechanisms (shortened to defenses for this paper) have more to do with adaptation to life than with Freud's “psychoanalysis.”

Now asshole, it's your turn to present a current published paper that validate Freud as a credible source other than just a strawman to be corrected.
Writing up some meme papers based on no concrete data and drawing mental gymnastic conclusions are not how one do a study. But hey, if the strawman is what qualifies as a father of a field to you, who am I to tell you off?

>>2332092
... Can we just all agree that Natsuki has issues? I mean, do we really need to get into the nitty gritty of it?

I prefer to talk about the drama cds.

Like how Haruka apparently has a team of ninjas at her beck and call to do stuff like pick locks and stuff.

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>>2332116
>Like how Haruka apparently has a team of ninjas at her beck and call to do stuff like pick locks and stuff.

The Okuzaki family don't do any house calls to rich people.

>>2332084
this that all or is it from a doujin?

>>2331884
Freud = Fraud

>>2332219
Don't know wish I did. It's funny like 90% of shiznat doujins are misunderstanding leading to Natsuki taking charge someone apologizing then sex.

>>2331992
I thought it was amusing.

>>2332092
Oh but I didn't say in my post that the research of defense mechanisms in the form as it was presented by Freud is fully right, did I? What I meant that these his theories of defense mechanisms had been developed and found their confirmation after their development. He concentrated only on the sexual aspect of things, but these mechanisms operate on a wider range of things than just sex.

>>2332226
Why is Natsuki so bad at having sex, she such an amateur.

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>>2332647
Welp seems some authors think that naive innocent clumsy dense dimwit (aka typical anime/manga protag) is somehow very cute. Therefore, they reject Natsuki's original character and forcibly shove Natsuki into the frame of typical protag.

But I believe there is a big difference between being inexperienced and being innocent or naive. Natsuki was inexperienced (which can be corrected with time), but she by no means was innocent or naive.

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>>2332647
>>2332663
When I said misunderstanding I meant usually emotional or something related to when they were Hime. There's this one doujin that is adorable and by one I mean many that deal with what I meant.

Apologies for not being clear.

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>Mai Hime/Otome not in the Top 100 list anime last week

>LoveLive, Code Geass and T&B got in there

What went wrong

>>2332684
Best ShizNat doujin?

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>>2332755
I don't know about that but I enjoyed it. Natsuki being the top was nice. As the pic says it's called Waterfall.

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>>2332755
>any that isn't by Danganronpa Tours
>best

New Mai Hime project when Sunrise?

>>2333070
Soon

>>2332848
>Danganronpa

>>2333546
Why hate'em man?

>>2333896
>Danganronpa Tours
It's Doropanda Tours. I giggled.

I also agree that they are the best Shiznat doujins. However, I find that every original stuff by that artist looks like Shiznat characters.

>>2333940
It's been forever since I read any of there stuff. I think the last thing I saw was a preview of a doujin where Natsuki was nervous to go to school in a skirt cause she had hicky's and love bites all over her inner thighs.

>>2333940
>I also agree that they are the best Shiznat doujins.
I think the author of that post meant that anything is good that isn't Doropanda Tours. And I kind of agree with it, because Nanzaki Iku's version of ShizNat is a bit annoying and has very little to do with orginal characters. Though the art is really great!

>>2334157
No, you have trouble with reading comprehension, the other anon is correct.

Nanzaki Iku's ShizNat stuff is good not only because of the art and the hot situations, but also because it's in-character.

>>2334208
>but also because it's in-character.
(other anon) Are you serious right now? Because Nanzaki Iku's portrayal of ShizNat is very OOC, anyone, who watched Mai-Hime and is able to analyze characters, can tell it.

Any staff of that artist is like repetition of the same characters from manga to manga.

Sadly, Nanzaki Iku's work contributed a lot in this stupid fanon characterization of Natsuki and Shizuru that was created over the years and is now seen as a canon by those who do not like to think with their own head, and they copy it in their works(fics, arts and etc).

>>2334225
Let's agree to disagree, because Nanzaki Iku depicted both characters exactly as I understood them. Natsuki who struggled to understand and accept Shizuru step by step, and Shizuru who gently but also wolfishly took Natsuki. Their comedic moments revolve around Natsuki being tsundere and Shizuru teasing/shameless advances, but both have their insecurities.

I think you're the one who had gotten too lost in some fanfiction fanon interpretation.

>>2334736
If a shallow portrayal of stereotypical couple of childish-grumpy-blushing-shy-uke-tsundere and childish-clingy-seme-pervert is your understanding of Natsuki and Shizuru's characters, then okay. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

For instance Natsuki wasn't much of tsundere. Although, if by tsundere means a description of characters who began with a harsh cold personality, but slowly revealed a warmer side over time, then Natsuki fits the bill. But Nanzaki Iku portrays her as a character who switches between deredere and tsuntsun mode at the slightest provocation, and it's fundamentally wrong approach to portray Natsuki. Many cite Takeda as an example of Natsuki's tsundereness, but the thing is she just simply didn't like him. She wasn't trying to hide her romantic feelings by acting harsh, simply his courtship just annoyed her, that's all.

The way Natsuki handles her inner feelings is also very different from how Nanzaki Iku portrays it. A good illustration, besides the anime, of it is "Natsuki No Prelude", an official source.

Overly clingy and childish Shizuru is also a big, HUGE no.

I don't even want to start about uke-seme stereotype that's going on in absolutely all of Nanzaki Iku's stuff.

I can go on and on why I think Nanzaki Iku's portrayl of them is very OOC. But if to sum up, Natsuki and Shizuru are much more interesting, deep and nuanced characters.

>>2334208
>>2334736

Sorry but i have to agree with them >>2334157 >>2334225 >>2334803
Though i greatly enjoy doropanda tours but it's hard to deny that a mechanism of how the actual shizuru or natsuki ticks and works severely differs from how nanzaki iku makes them act.

It's also hard to deny that nanzaki iku's works had a big impact on how general shiznat fanbase began to depict shiznat.

And it's also true that in nanzaki iku's works natsuki is way too childish, way too pouty, way too awkward and so on like she has a mind of a small child of a kindergarten age. Shizuru in her works is way too clingy, way too childish, way too idiotic at times and so on.

And sometimes her works are a bit too hentai-ish like 'first sex, then think'.

Overall there are too many of 'way too' in her works to take them seriously.

Do i enjoy her works? Yes, i really do.
Do i think that nanzaki iku depicts shiznat close to canon? No, i absolutely don't.

Though if i had not recently re-watched mai-hime, probably my answer to the last question would have been a bit different. Since with time character's traits start to fade from memory and when in the meantime you read a lot of doujin and fanfictions, somehow it distorts your perception of characters. And there is nothing better than to watch the original in order to cure it.

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>>2333070
After LoveLive Sunshine S2

>>2334946
I hate idol anime with a passion

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>>2334917
You had let some fanfiction fanon distorted your view on the canon ShizNat. "Way too childish, way too pouty, way too clingy, way too perverted" my ass. Did you even watch their interactions in the final episode where Shizuru joked about staying back a year? Did you see Shizuru clinging onto Natsuki in the karaoke? Did you see the brief OVA scene where Shizuru nonchalantly walked in onto a startled Natsuki naked in the bathroom?

Nanzaki Iku delicted that comedic chemistry perfectly, right down to Natsuki's particular brand of tsundere and Shizuru's manipulation. And she is also perfect in depicting their serious moments that you had conveniently dismissed. Did you read the one where Natsuki struggled to give Shizuru her first time, and Shizuru bursted into tears cherishing the possibly once in a life time chance to hold her? You apparently didn't.

Keep denying, just like all the faggots who keep denying "Shizuru never raped Natsuki~"

>>2335174
>"Shizuru never raped Natsuki~"

But she did man

>>2335373
No she didn't anon.

>>2335604
but the flute

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>Mai Hime sequel comes out
>Instead of Shiznat, its NaoNat

How will /u/ react if this happens?

>>2335608
Yeah, what bout the flute or you talkin bout onion green stick

>>2335174
Shizuru had a playful sense of humor (in contrast to Natsuki's dry humor) and it was exactly that - Shizuru was just joking-playing around, it was obvious. Her clinginess also did not go beyond the limits of the norm in those scenes. But she has never acted so overly childish and so overly clingy as she was portrayed in Nanzaki Iku's stuff. The key word - overly!

And scene in the shower wasn't from OVA, but from Director's Cut Ending of the last episode. And if you have watched more closely, you would have noticed that Shizuru wasn't nonchalant, but actually her expression was a bit shy and she was blushing a little.

I already wrote what I think about Natsuki's tsundereness >>2334803

Natsuki's a pretty damaged kid, but Nanzaki Iku reduced all to whether can she properly sort out her feelings for Shizuru or not.

But even if we just focus only on how Natsuki was delving into her feelings for Shizuru. The way Natsuki handles her inner feelings and conveyed them to Shizuru in the penultimate episode, the way Natsuki led an internal monologue about her feelings in Natsuki no Prelude, the way she agreed that love is a good thing in the final episode. It was all very mature, and not how Nanzaki Iku had forced her to act in serious moments of her manga, i.e. in shy, clumsy or childish way.
Besides there is the epilogue in Shizuru's profile section in the Mai Hime animation guide book, that says
"Ultimately when the Battle had concluded, Natsuki ONCE AGAIN spoke affectionately to Shizuru who was graduating.
Before one is aware, happiness will visit these two..."
It illustrates that Natsuki isn't wishy-washy about her feelings and isn't afraid to speak them.

>>2335174
>>2335775
Continuation of the comment

All of it does not fit well with how Nanzaki Iku portrays them. If you do not see the difference between how Shizuru and Natsuki acted in the anime and "Natsuki no Prelude" and how they acted in Doropanda tours, then, perhaps, Natsuki and Shizuru are simply not among your favorites pairings and you just can't be bothered to truly analyze them.

Nanzaki Iku exaggerated and altered the comedic part of their characters, and downplayed and misrepresented more serious and realistic part of their characters. And if to read most of her work, it becomes obvious that she just likes the pairing of uke tsundere + seme pervert, with typical humor and a big dose of sweet moments, that are born by pairing up these two archetypes. And it has very little to do with ShizNat characters, she just forced them into the mold that she likes.

>>2335174
>>2335775
>>2335776
The last part

If you're one of those who believe that Shizuru raped her, then it's even weirder that you think Nanzaki Iku's portrayal isn't OOC. Because it is pretty big issue that needs to be addressed.

But you're right in one thing, I do not believe that Shizuru raped Natsuki for several reasons:

1 It happened before Shizuru broke down and Natsuki was injured, it is unlikely that Shizuru would purposely do something that might further harm her.
2 A person who just raped someone, would not blush when trying to steal a mere kiss.
3 When Shizuru found out that Natsuki overheard them, she was more concerned that Natsuki found out that she loves her. Wouldn't it be more logical for her to be more worried that Natsuki could have found out that she raped her?
4 When Natsuki recoiled from her touch, she thought that Natsuki rejected her love. Shizuru did not even have the slightest thought that Natsuki might have recoiled because of another reason.
5 In Natsuki no Prelude, Natsuki never thought of her as a rapist. Moreover, Natsuki had no thought that Shizuru even had anything to apologize to her.
6 Natsuki said to Shizuru that she is happy that Shizuru loves her. A rape victim in her right mind could hardly say such thing.

Interesting question who are the real faggots. Those who jump the gun, without trying to analyze the situation or those who look further and try to find a confirmation or refutation of what at first glance seems happened?

>>2335779
>6 Natsuki said to Shizuru that she is happy that Shizuru loves her. A rape victim in her right mind could hardly say such thing.

For Natsuki's sake she would be afraid to tell Shizuru she didn't like being violate on purpose. I think Natsuki believes Shizuru was in the wrong to do this.

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>>2336805
There's no doubt something happened that night but I think Natsuki is afraid for Shizuru rather than of Shizuru.

Natsuki's dialogue in the last two episodes as little as it is speaks volumes.

>>2336820
>We will never have a sequel spinoff of ShizNat going hell and back trying to hold keep their secret relationship intact.

I hope Sunrise read some ShizNat fanfics like Windows of the Soul and others.

>>2336805
>For Natsuki's sake she would be afraid to tell Shizuru she didn't like being violate on purpose. I think Natsuki believes Shizuru was in the wrong to do this.
5 In Natsuki no Prelude, Natsuki never thought of Shizuru as a rapist. Moreover, Natsuki didn't think that Shizuru even has anything to apologize to her for.

>There's no doubt something happened that night
Probably something happened, but I think the maximum that occurred, Shizuru masturbated beside Natsuki, which's creepy too, but in no way near the rape thing.

For a girl to rape another girl, while she is unresponsive and dry, is questionable pleasure.
And as was mentioned, it was before Shizuru broke down.

>think Natsuki is afraid for Shizuru rather than of Shizuru. Natsuki's dialogue in the last two episodes as little as it is speaks volumes.
I agree, I think the same

>>2336948
>5 In Natsuki no Prelude, Natsuki never thought of Shizuru as a rapist. Moreover, Natsuki didn't think that Shizuru even has anything to apologize to her for.
True, in Natsuki no Prelude, Natsuki not even once has thought that Shizuru has anything to apologize to her for. She didn't think that Shizuru wronged her in anyway. She did not blame Shizuru for anything and she didn't care much that Shizuru killed people of First District. Most likely because Natsuki also killed people as it was clear from her behavior in early episodes. What Natsuki thought is that she needed to answer Shizuru's feelings.

So I think Natsuki decided to stop her for Shizuru's sake most of all. So that Shizuru did no longer get her hands dirty in the blood as Natsuki realized how pointless it was from her own experience and how much it hurt Shizuru.

So I think that when Shizuru asked for forgiveness with tears in her eyes, Natsuki with smile on her lips said that it is okay, because I think Natsuki really did think that Shizuru didn't have something to apologize to her for.

p.s. I also think that Shizuru never raped Natsuki. Because Natsuki isn't so merciful, she is not the type who can forgive such a crime.
p.p.s Sorry for my awkward english, my vocabulary is not so great

>>2336948
Of course she violated her. How easy it was while completely naked, lay on top, feel her, hump, place her fingers inside. It didn't matter if Natsuki was dry cause Shizuru was sure wet.

>>2337006
>Of course she violated her. How easy it was while completely naked, lay on top, feel her, hump, place her fingers inside. It didn't matter if Natsuki was dry cause Shizuru was sure wet.

That anon summed up reasons very well >>2335779

And the scene where Shizuru takes off her robe, it is Natsuki's imagination, since she had the flash of the same scene, waking up in the hospital. So it's definitely not Yukino's memories.

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Why is MaiNat not a popular pairing when they both act as foils for one another?

>>2337100
If couples were strictly formed by taking the two best girls from a series and pairing them up then this would be an outstanding pair.

>>2337018
>So it's definitely not Yukino's memories.
Yukino and Haruka saw everything did that night.

>>2336836
>Sunrise read some ShizNat fanfics like Windows of the Soul and others

Fund it goddammit

>>2337244
You probably didn't watch Mai-Hime in a long time, if you say "and Haruka"

I believe Sunrise purposefully made it ambiguous. But I found these arguments >>2335779 convincing

Adding my two cents, Yukino said, "Like how you kissed here back there, I saw what you did to Natsuki while she slept" But Yukino might have saw something a lot more innocent than rape. Yukino is very weak and meek. If she saw such a serious crime, I do not believe she could endure it and then look into Shizuru's eyes and talk calmly and it is even more unlikely she would insist for a rapist to return to school and be next to her dear Haruka in the student council.

And here someone said that Natsuki isn't very forgiving and she won't be able to forgive such a crime. I agree with it.

She did not forgive her father. And it can not be said that she forgave her mother, she merely decided that she would believe the mother she remembers, even if she is wrong. Since it is impossible to know the truth why Saeko sold her, when the culprit is already dead. Natsuki chose the most correct path in the given situation.

>>2337283
>"If she saw such a serious crime, I do not believe she could endure it and then look into Shizuru's eyes...
Yukino can only watch and witness because student counsel president doing that to her best friend... people I assume would just "I'm not sure what they're doing. What is she doing???" while keeping their eyes open cause that's probably my reaction if I see one.

>>2337294
>>2337294
My main point was that not only Yukino wouldn't be able to talk calmly to Shizuru but also she woudn't insist and threaten Shizuru to come back in the student council cause she wouldn't want a rapist to be near Haruka. And this in combination with other good factors gave me grounds to believe that Shizuru didn't do something terrible. Likely it was a lot more innocent.

>>2337294
Yukino is blatantly gay. There's no reason to think that she would have found the situation confusing.

>>2337513
Why do het people like you go to /u/?

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YOU KILLED.........ONII CHAN!

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>>2337535
Shiho is the best Hime hands down

Did /u/ ever try to brainstorm a sequel/reboot idea of My Hime in the last 10 years?

>>2337780
She is the most het next to the other one who's name I can't remember get that nonsense outta here.

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>>2337794
Yeah. I hated her so much when I watched the series, she was terrible. Otome improved her a little.

>>2337787
/u/ would make good sequel better than what fanfictionfags.net cooked up

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>>2338141

>>2338056
>>2338057
>>2338141

She wants to fuck her dad. You can't get much more het than that.

>>2338293
>Nina dad

Sergai ain't Nina's dad. Nina dad is dead, IN HELL.

>>2338760
FUCK YOU ORTON

Get out of /u/

>>2337787
Windows of the Soul is the perfect sequel to HiME

>>2340105
More ShizNat part two than it is a sequel to Mai HiME.

A proper one would recognize that without their powers they would be so fucked post Carnival.

They would be forced into government labs so quickly it would blind you unless the few stronger ones (Kagutsuchi, Kiyohime, Miroku, Duran, Artemis-1 would be useful too, Gakuten-O showed it could take out a battleship so I'll include it) could basically sink a few aircraft carrier fleets. They don't even have to do it but so much as threaten it as a deterrent. All their MIP would have to be protected for life.

Frankly they'd want to take over Japan and use it as a safe haven. Also raid Searrs facilities and see if you can get access to prototype Otome technology early so you have more Mahou Shoujo as a deterent against invasion. Use combined arms of HiME with Otome suits and their child, regular Otome, and traditional naval, airforce, and army units to deter all foreign invaders. Nuclear weapons and ICBMs would be a necessity to deter invasion since the HiME can't fight 24/7 and after a few hours would become tired and need to eat/drink/rest etc. Build up the military and economy and prepare for NATO to come to capture them.

Hell I'd go as far as saying the best idea would be to arm the entire state of Japan that way no one can invade without using so many nukes as to make the whole point of invasion impossible since you'd probably kill the HiME in the process.

>>2340105
>>2340186
I feel as though I am missing something.

>>2340190
One of the things WotS explores is how much it would suck being a HiME without their powers post Carnival. It goes decently into it but not fully since it's not the main plot of the fic.

I'm just saying any sequel post series has the issue that post Carnival the government would do what Searrs tried midway through the show and round up all the HiME and capture them. But this time with a lot more soldiers and this time the HiME don't have any powers/monsters/weapons to defend themselves.

>>2340186
The world was going to be fucked one way or another since Nagi foretold this unless the HiME find a way defy fate again. I would like to see them suffer through this downward spiral while facing against the SEARRS Foundation and other unknown threats. HiME would be protected by the government in exchange they would have to sell their bodies for experiments and face other materialistic threats like Otome and the MiKO's.

>>2340942
>The world was going to be fucked one way or another since Nagi foretold this

By who and what new enemy

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>>2340942
Fuck that I'd rather see the Hime form a resistance of some sort.

>>2337172
>Shizuru is not best girl
Burn the witch!

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Mikoto won in the end.

>>2343014
>Reito won in the end
Fixed

>>2342901
Resistances aren't always the good guys

>>2343137
I don't know if you could consider what happened to him as winning.

>>2343014
She did in Otome.

>>2343140
In the context of my statement they are. Or should I not root for the Hime?

>>2343183
Otome is non-canon anon.

>>2343186
You should root for the HiME's, but after their retarded decisions and unprepared mentalness would break them very easy.

>>2343239
I disagree after the events of the Carnival I think they'd be even more prepared for whatever the world throws at them.

>>2343142
>Mai dumps Tate
>Mai asks Reito to be her bf
>Reito becomes a NEET, starts fucking Mai while Mikoto eats her ramen diner

This a no-brainer

>>2343241
Mashiro please, they will not prevail.

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>>2343252
I know it in my heart to be true. Those precious girls... they will... overcome any that dare impede them!

>>2343209
Otome is canon.

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Why have I never seen pic related mentioned in Mai threads? Rape-ish NTR kinky roleplay sex that pretty unambiguously happened. This was probably the most blatantly /u/ part of the series.

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>>2343741
Because fuck Tomoe(even if she did look hot in that outfit in Zwei) for getting between Natsuki and Shizuru.

>>2343741
Pretty sure I discussed Tomoe in the previous thread.

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>>2343328
I wouldn't hold my wishes in a jar for them to survive every adversity.

>>2343741
>Mai Otome was 2005

I miss shows having subtle and backbone over this

>>2343742
>>2343787
Checked the the archives and it should've been obvious but everyone just hates Tomoe. I thought a scene this fucking bizarre would be mentioned more often but I guess people would just rather pretend it never happened. With good reason obviously, the series has a lesbian couple with very little romantic interaction and then one of them fucks a retard. What the hell.

>>2343540
It is non-canon anon

>>2343250
>You will never have your crush to tell you upfront and ask to be your gf/bf.

>>2343807
Why is Nagi such a worthless troll?

>>2344815
Nagi is the only good male character in the damn show

>>2344817
Uh that's not Takumifemale

>>2343952
This.

>>2343328
Your words are inspiring but soft Mashiro-chan

>>2343807
>>2345796
>avatarfagging
>avatarfagging with a male character on /u/

>>2345830
I hope you reported it.

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PURI PURI BANG!!!!!!

>>2346497
>only a millenia left before the fake movie starts

Can't wait indeed

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>>2348470

>>2348471
That's one of my favorite doujins short but sweet.

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>>2349491

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>堪忍な
Would you?

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https://exhentai.org/g/1069109/3fa1fb9a7d/

Something new out on panda.

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>>2349629
Yes indeed

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>>2349674

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>>2349689

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>>2349693

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>>2349904

Is there people who believe that ShizNat isn't Canon?

>>2349908
No. People would still believe Otome is actually canon to HiME.

>>2350352
But in a guidebook, about the post ending of Mai Hime, wasn't it written that natsuki said in her letter that she will "reciprocate" her feelings to someone who is important?

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>>2350652
Don't know, Natsuki relationship with Shizuru will be a rocky one to endure. It's going to be more for them to not let their relationship revealed except Yukino, Haruka knows and will shut up unless Shizuru continues to provoke Haruka.

ShizNat relationship is going to be fragile one unless they stand firm unto their feelings together.

>>2350652
>>2350780

"The official guidebook suggests that Natsuki's relationship with Shizuru becomes deeper as time goes on. And in the novel, "Natsuki Prelude" (also in the artbooks vol 1, 2), there's a backstory of Natsuki revealing that while she sent Takeda a rejection note (she thanked him and also apologized for not returning his feelings) she told herself that there was someone's feelings she must accept, referring to Shizuru (She was contemplating this in episode 25, after a conversation with Sakomizu only seen in "Natsuki's Prelude")."

>>2351084
>"The official guidebook suggests that Natsuki's relationship with Shizuru becomes deeper as time goes on.

Still the relationship becomes fragile but not to break so easily.

>>2351088
That is a contradictory statement.

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>>2350861

>>2351813
Why thank you my friend

>>2349693
Aren't those Historia and Ymir from SnK?

>>2335712
>NaoNat
How bout this.
>NaoMai
or
>MaiNat
I want those.

>>2339643
BAI GAWD IT'S AN RKO OUGHTTTA NO WERE! I SWEAR TO YOU HE IS BROKEN IN HALF!

>>2354966
Yes.

>>2354966
Jesus, how did it get into my folder. I was mistaken because their hair were purple and silk maple fuck pixiv.

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まいまいの膝枕

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>>2355178

>>2337100
>>2329422
Are there more than these two?
Better than that, any key word or something to facilitate the search of images
I think I will not find another type of material anyway

>>2356409
Those are the only pics I've found. MaiNat pairing doesn't have much popularity because ShizNat is a canon couple.

>>2356412
>>2356412
Thank you
Although the canon is an excuse, there are couples that are more popular than the canon couples KumiRei[/ spoiler]

>>2356429
>Although the canon is an excuse
It is not anon

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Sunrise missed an opportunity to have Rena show up in the HiMEverse.

Why Sunrise ruined heavily potential franchises, why?

Is it true that if Love Live dies, we'd get a new Hime series?