Madoka

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What would Mami do for a Homu Homu?

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Nothing new to talk about edition.

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>>2261777
Really not much point of making new Madoka threads until the next movie. I guess it's just tradition at this point.

>>2261799
We seriously just need to take a hiatus for these threads.

>>2261818
You make a good point, though having it stay dead will be harder to make.

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I just like talking about Madoka and sharing pictures.

Oh, I didn't notice that this thread was made before the other one.

>>2261799
We'll havea new game in the next month and can talk about....oh i forgot, this is a /u/ thread, nevermind then

>>2263338
there's a new game coming out?

>>2263338
You're so funny, it won't be enough

>>2263462
Yeah, for android and apple devices and its going to be released in two months. Aniplex wants to repeat FGO succes with Madoka

>>2263534
But, is it gonna be fun?

>>2263575
no it's mobileshit
Play Grief Syndrome if you want a fun Madoka game

>>2263579
Then there's no need to talk about it past a story synopsis

I sure like crack pairings.

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I mean that's great and all, but what the world really needs is more KyouSaya

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>Note to those just now joining us: Please report spam and do not reply. Yes, it's normal. Just ignore it.

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Fuck.

>>2263736 is first

>>2263637
Sweet lord, Kyouko eat a sandwich!

Does anyone have a link to the Madoka archives? I remember there being a place where the non-translated Kirara Magica manga were hosted. If anyone can help, I'd really appreciate it.

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So Crossbowdoka is Blue Homu's imouto?

>>2264123
Thank you ! Could you tell us what Crossbow Doka's wish? I heard she wanted to save her sister.

>>2264549
Scratch that; it wasn't blue Homu talking in the voiceover; it was Crossbowdoka. You're right in that Crossbowdoka is trying to save her imouto, but there's no information given about Blue Homu.

Serves me right for trying to understand a PV without knowing nip.

can we all agree that mami is the one who suffered the most?

>lost her parents in a car crash accident
>made her wish by instinct, not by choice (like the other girls)
>forced to face eldritch abominations every night with no support or understanding what's going on
>depressed and lonely but still uses her powers to protect others instead of hedonistic pleasures
>finally finds someone she can relate to
>dies; and considering she was hanging in magical girl form for a second or two she felt excruciating pain too while charlotte was chewing her face off

>>2264679
>relive your own personal hell for 7 years
>when the cycle is finally broken, you realize you have nothing to live for
>have your soul experimented on
>deliberately become a witch
>realize your salvation means you abandon your reason to live
>choose to experience hell once again to save your beloved
Not even close.

>>2264682

>rebellion

anon we're not talking about fanon garbage here

>>2264684
What low effort bait.

>>2264684
So did you buy the "Rebellion is bad" meme, or was it just (n)deep(n+2)u?

>>2264686

You really want to use Rebellion, a movie that threw every single characterization that made the anime great out of the window to talk about the characters?

>>2264689
So the second thing that other anon said is the answer then.

>>2264689
>a movie that threw every single characterization
You see, if you had only referred to Homura's characterization, I'd assume (n)deep(n+2)u, but the way you phrase that makes it seem as if you haven't even watched the movie at all.

>>2264689
The anime was 12 episodes, my guy. There is no way that any character was fully developed in that time frame. I want to say bait tho because these posts hit just the right nerves.

>>2264697

>mami is not lonely anymore
>sayaka doesn't care about the boy
>madoka wish was reverted
>kyouko is literally who
>nagisa is literally LITERALLY who

not even mentioning homura the worst offender

>>2264699

actually the anime is great because it delivers concise development for all the characters

>>2264704
Confirmed for not even watching the movie.

>>2264704
>mami is not lonely anymore

She has a bunch of friends who love her in Homura's witch world.

>sayaka doesn't care about the boy

People move on. But I actually do agree with you, they were just pandering to KyoSaya fags.

>madoka wish was reverted

The incubators and Homura both fucked her over just before her power to claim Homura's soul was activated.

>kyouko is literally who

I don't understand what you mean by this.

>nagisa is literally LITERALLY who

Agreed, more pandering to Charlotte fans.

>>2264704
>madoka wish was reverted
How would this even relate to her characterization? It's not like she's the one who changed her mind or anything.

>>2264708

>She has a bunch of friends who love her in Homura's witch world.

And removing the key point of her as a character in the process.

>I don't understand what you mean by this

Kyouko during the entire movie feels like she's just "there", as a background character.

See how many times you used "pandering to"? Rebellion is pure fanservice.

>>2264722
>And removing the key point of her as a character in the process
Except Rebellion didn't do this; episode 12 of the anime did it. When Madoka altered the universe, Mami didn't become estranged from Kyoko and had Sayaka as another friend.

>pandering to KyoSaya fags
By that logic, the anime did as well.

>Kyouko during the entire movie feels like she's just "there"
Because the focus of the movie was Homura. The film was only 2 hours long, and they had to fit in the entirety of Homura's emotional journey in that timeframe, which leaves little room for other characters who don't have much influence on her.

>Rebellion is pure fanservice
3deep5u

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>>2264724

>Because the focus of the movie was Homura

So Rebellion isn't even a "Madoka sequel" but rather the director wanking off to Homura? One more reason to call it a fanservice garbage then.

>>2264791
>major character drives the plot in the TV series is the focus of the sequel
Really makes you think.

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>>2264791
>>2264802
>Urobuchi Gen: I think the human protagonist is actually Homura
She's pretty much the franchise at this point.

>>2264807
Madoka is the protagonist by virtue of being the POV character; Homura is the (anti)hero of the story.

>>2264814
Do you know what anti-hero means? Because there are plenty of anti-hero protagonists. Homura would be a textbook deuteragonist if it weren't for the fact that she has a more active role in the story and screen time at this point than the titular character. Shinbo and Urobuchi have both been on record saying it's hard to view Madoka as a true protagonist due to her not being all that active. And that mostly comes from Urobuchi writing Madoka as a polar opposite to his wiriting style while in turn making Homura go the exact opposite direction.

>>2264819
The reason I don't consider Homura to be a protagonist (for the TV series) is because she starts off as an antagonist. She's the deuteragonist. This sort of thing isn't uncommon, for example Suzaku or Satsuki. Homura is the hero of the story because the overarching plot is her quest.

>>2264823
In those instances you mentioned, the viewer is never in doubt that LeLouche and Ryoko are the driving forces of their stories. In contrast, Madoka herself, like the audience, questions why she is involved in everything until the reveal. While I accept Madoka as the hero and protagonist of the series, I have a difficult time viewing her as an active protagonist. With Wraith Arc and Rebellion, Homura is clearly written as the active character who is driving things forward. While I assume things will change in the sequel (considering Homura's goal is for things to not change), I tend to view Homura as the franchise protag, especially in light of the other characters constantly being reset.

>>2264838
My point of likening Homura to Suzaku or Satsuki is that she starts off as antagonistic and end up as allied deuteragonist. Up until episode 9, Homura was oppositional towards Madoka and company, even though she aided them on occasion (in the same way Suzaku fought alongside Lelouch and Satsuki saved Ryuko from Nui despite not being allied).

The difference between Homura and the others is that she is the major player in the overall conflict (both against Walpurgisnacht and the Incubators), which Madoka is uninvolved with until the end. However, this isn't presented as the main conflict of the anime in the beginning; instead, it's Madoka's internal conflict of whether or not she should become a magical girl and trying to adapt to the new world she's become a witness to. In Lelouch and Ryuko's cases, their initial conflicts (overthrowing Britannia and avenging her father, respectively) are the overall conflicts of the anime.

In Rebellion, it's more straightforward because Homura is the main character and is involved with the main conflict immediately. However, the precedence set by the TV series as well as the fact that it covers more content arguably puts Madoka in the protagonist role of the franchise.

For the sequel, we don't know whether it will be told from Madoka's or Homura's perspective, so while we know Homura is still the anti-hero, we don't know if she's going to be the protagonist or antagonist of that installment, and that's assuming Kyubey isn't a major player.

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>>2264814
Homura is the deuteragonist of the series

If you seriously think Homura acted out of character in Rebellion, you didn't understand Homura's character.

https://u.nya.is/iysxqs.webm

>>2264874
>The difference between Homura and the others is that she is the major player in the overall conflict (both against Walpurgisnacht and the Incubators), which Madoka is uninvolved with until the end. However, this isn't presented as the main conflict of the anime in the beginning; instead, it's Madoka's internal conflict of whether or not she should become a magical girl and trying to adapt to the new world she's become a witness to

On the first note, I'd argue that this is a structural problem with Madoka. By showing the cold open and the having Walpurgisnacht, Homura, and Kyubey present, they've already strongly hinted at this conflict. With Homura telling Madoka not to get involved and hunting down Kyubey, I think it's clear that we were intended to know about this conflict, especially considering it is reiterated every episode.

I'd argue that the conflict you presented is a red herring. Episode 1 presents us with the true conflict of the series with two statements right off the bat: Madoka Kaname can end the tragedy and destruction (if she wants) AND if Madoka Kaname makes a wish, she will lose everything and everyone she loves.

Essentially Kyubey and Homura have already made this story about their eventually revealed goals, not Madoka's. And this is were Madoka's weakness as a protagonist comes in: Madoka is incredibly passive. When Madoka finally does make her wish, we have already learned it is only possible due to Homura's actions. Madoka's journey to godhood is essentially one of the most depressing escort missions in anime.

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>search for mami doujinshi
>it's all rapey stuff

for real? the girl is an angel and this is what "artists" think about her?

>>2264926
Eh, Homura acts in character and I'd go as far to say that she made the correct choice with the information she was presented, but the circumstances of Rebellion are a bit ridiculous. I think when people bitch about Homura or the other girl in Rebellion, they're bitching about the scenario more than actual character inconsitencies.

>>2264932
What her doing the raping or being raped?

Cus the former is born of her love of ribbons.

>>2264932
And this, anon, is why we use the females_only tag.

>>2264934
This is fair. The setup/premise of Rebellion is given very little attention.

>>2264934
>>2264938
What are you talking about? It was all exp.gained quite well.

>>2264943
Just because they offer an explanation doesn't mean the audience has to accept it. Three issues that come to kind on my end, no means deal breakers to me but some questionable elements:

-Sayaka and Charlotte are no longer dead, Madoka is back and they essentially hand wave the dead and non-existent coming back to life with 'Incubator science'
-Incubators somehow overpowered Homura and put her soul gem in the isolation field.
-They had to reset Homura's psychological state in order to get her to make that decision. This is explicitly stated in the material book.

>>2264935
>>2264936

the fact that artists associate her with rape makes me mad
other girls don't suffer from this problem

>>2264951
She's the oldest, bustiest, and the only one unattached outside of the fringe ships that pair her off with persons significantly outside her age group.

>>2264943
Shes the better one

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>>2264951
Because Mamifags tend to enjoy shit like this.

>>2264954

she's the kindest and sweetest too
apparently doesn't matter because busty = rape

>>2264956

this one is okay
I mean nothing happens but I to me it's just a joke series

>>2264960
No, I'm saying it is karmic justice toward Mamifags. Yall get the doujinshi yall deserve.

>>2264960
Oh please, Madoka is the kindest and sweetest.

Which hasn't stopped her from getting a ton of art of her turning the tables on homura after becoming Madokami and being a perv and/or easily becoming jealous.

>>2264963
>Turning the tables on Homura
That's canon though.

>>2264930
>they've already strongly hinted at this conflict
It's foreshadowed, but it isn't really relevant beyond that Kyubey appears to be allied with Madoka (the protagonist), and Homura is his enemy (and therefore antagonistic). It's not really in focus, because Homura doesn't confront Kyubey afterwards, except by proxy via telling Madoka not to become a magical girl.

>I'd argue that the conflict you presented is a red herring
>Episode 1 presents us with the true conflict of the series with two statements right off the bat: Madoka Kaname can end the tragedy and destruction (if she wants) AND if Madoka Kaname makes a wish, she will lose everything and everyone she loves
But these are one in the same-- it's Madoka's character struggling to realize the right decision, to become a magical girl, or not, as her understanding constantly shifts based on her experiences.

>Madoka is incredibly passive
But being passive is the best course of action. From her perspective, the logical decision is to not become a magical girl. Objectively, the same is true-- it's outright counterproductive for her to become a magical girl. Her lack of a gung-ho attitude isn't merely cowardice; it's rationality. Only by making a well-informed decision is she able to fix things-- and even then, the solution is flawed.

>>2264948
>Sayaka and Charlotte are no longer dead
They are dead. They are a part of the Law of Cycles which is acting on Homura's soul. The only reason they are visible is because they're trapped inside Homura's soul.
>Incubators somehow overpowered Homura
They don't have to overpower her; they just wait until she runs out of magic.
>They had to reset Homura's psychological state
Homura's psychological state rests on the assumption that Madoka is safe and happy. Threaten that, and she will immediately revert, which is exactly what happens.

>>2264961

dunno what you're talking about
mamifags are always bros

>>2264975
>They are dead. They are a part of the Law of Cycles which is acting on Homura's soul. The only reason they are visible is because they're trapped inside Homura's soul.
Which is explained in movie. But it comes off as an excuse for 30 minutes of fanservice. What, Kyubey knew Madoka didn't exist but he wasn't immediately tipped off that something was off when both Charlotte (a thing that shouldn't exist) and Sayaka (a dead girl he contracted) appeared in Homura's dream? Now he's taken by complete surprise when they reveal they were working with the LOC? Kyubey's is greedy, but he isn't an idiot and that plan that Madoka came up with wasn't exactly brilliant.

On that issue, Madoka seperating herself from the Law of Cycles for a month or seems like it didn't have any negative consequences. If that's the case, then this entire conflict is almost exclusively Homura being a chuuni autist.

>They don't have to overpower her; they just wait until she runs out of magic.
Which means she would have been taken away by the Law of Cycles at that instance. Instead she gets trapped in a technology the Inucbator's seemingly pulled out of their ass for the occasion.

>Homura's psychological state rests on the assumption that Madoka is safe and happy. Threaten that, and she will immediately revert, which is exactly what happens.
The characters were concluded at the end of the series and they needed to regress one to move things forward. The story is logical, but the scenario is not without criticism.

Like I said, I understand and accept these things, but I don't think it's a perfect movie.

>>2264972
>It's foreshadowed, but it isn't really relevant beyond that Kyubey appears to be allied with Madoka (the protagonist), and Homura is his enemy (and therefore antagonistic). It's not really in focus, because Homura doesn't confront Kyubey afterwards, except by proxy via telling Madoka not to become a magical girl.

Kyubey's entire design screamed something was wrong and his behaviour episode 4 onward was clearly antagonistic, whereas Homura's behaviour shifted away from antagonist as early as episode 3 when she confronted Mami.

>But these are one in the same-- it's Madoka's character struggling to realize the right decision, to become a magical girl, or not, as her understanding constantly shifts based on her experiences.

Which prevents her from being an active protagonist. She's completely reactionary. And this is by design, but it limits her important actions in the series to 1) saving Kyubey (which technically wasn't necessary) 2) made Homura promise to not let her become a magical girl, 3) making her true wish.

2 essentially puts Madoka's fate in Homura's hands while 3 is only possible due to the actions of others (Homura's loops give her the needed potential, Mami dying prevents her from making a dumb wish early on, Kyouko appearing exposes the cruelty of meguca, Sayaka witching out helps her formulate her wish). Once again, Madoka is the protagonist, but even Butcher says he regrets the way he wrote Madoka to be so passive in her role.

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>>2264951
Mami is the weakest, mentally
She's vulnerable. Maybe that will change now that she has her own loli

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>>2265047
>master1200
>saving samples

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>>2265047

>Mami is the weakest, mentally

one more reason to treat her like a princess

>>2265004
>Kyubey knew Madoka didn't exist but he wasn't immediately tipped off that something was off when both Charlotte and Sayaka appeared
He didn't know they had an agenda. They duped him into thinking they were just going along with Homura's dream.

>Madoka seperating herself from the Law of Cycles for a month
It could have been a month in dream time and only a few moments real time.

>The characters were concluded at the end of the series
Homura's resolution was a bit unsatisfactory. Her entire reason to exist vanished, her struggle was taken out of her hands, and she forced herself to go along with it because Madoka told her it would be okay. Homura could never truly accept Madoka's wish, even if she tried to force herself to do so. It's not entirely a regression either, but rather a progression in how willing Homura is to go to extremes for the greater good and how much she hates herself for it. And there's another aspect to that, too; up until this point, Homura has always had the attitude of "I will not fail," but now, the outlook has changed to "I won." Even if she realizes she must oppose Madoka again, she's confident she can just break her as many times as it takes to keep her happy.

>>2265021
>Kyubey's entire design screamed something was wrong and his behaviour episode 4 onward was clearly antagonistic
Kyubey did not appear clearly antagonistic until the Soul Gem reveal in episode 6. He was advising Sayaka not to confront Kyoko up until that point. Yes, he had his agenda of making contracts, but that did not appear to be a bad thing until the reveal. On the other hand Homura nearly kills Sayaka in episode 8. Being an antagonist does not preclude helping the protagonist (Satsuki saves Ryuko from Nui and they fight after Ryuko recovers).

>Which prevents her from being an active protagonist
I don't see this as a flaw, though. It hammers in the sense of futility and and inevitability present in the universe. That a tragic end was averted was quite literally a miracle. It's not often you have a story where the main character shouldn't be the hero, and they actually realize this and act accordingly.

>3 is only possible due to the actions of others
None of the others are able to actually accomplish anything on their own, either. Mami dies horribly, Sayaka loses her humanity, Kyoko sacrifices her life in vain, and Homura is fundamentally incapable of defeating Walpurgisnacht. Madoka averted certain doom for everyone by defining Homura-- inspiring her confidence, training her, serving as her emotional guidepost, building her resolve, and even altering her modus operandi to prevent her from making a contract early on while she's uninformed-- all inadvertently, yes, but Homura empowering her was even more accidental.

Homura carries the story, yes, but Madoka created that Homura.

>>2265108
>They duped him into thinking they were just going along with Homura's dream.
Sayaka makes comments about Madoka and witches in the alley. While there was an Incubator following Madoka, there were thousands observing the experiment. It seems like a stretch to believe they'd go to all that effort and just completely drop the ball on something like that.

>could have been a month in dream time and only a few moments real time.
Moments would still be more than enough to result in witches. LoC would been removed from all time and space if Madoka were necessary.

>Homura
Once again, I completely understand what transpired and why, but the circumstances necessary to get Homura to realize this and for her to make her choice required regressing her to Moemura, required bringing back dead characters, and required breaking established rules for the Law of Cycles. The scenario asks a lot from viewers and if you don't buy into it, you could easily just view the ending as an edgy twist with the intention of extending a series. Plenty of professional reviewers for the film did. Considering Wraith Arc's existence, I do question if we give Rebellion too much credit or if Quartet just forgot completly forgot what they wrote or if they're actively retconning events to get them out of a corner they seem to have written themselves into. As of now, the flower conversation (the crux of the movie) doesn't even make sense anymore.

>>2265117
>While there was an Incubator following Madoka, there were thousands observing the experiment
Even so, they can't be everywhere at once. It's not like they were observing Madoka constantly in the TV series either.

>Moments would still be more than enough to result in witches
Not really, since turning into a witch isn't an instantaneous process. Not that it really matters since Homura reset the universe anyways.

>regressing her to Moemura
She was in that personality for only the very beginning of the film. When she realized something was wrong, she only used it as a facade before ditching it outright.

>breaking established rules for the Law of Cycles
The only established rules for the Law of Cycles were as follows:
>is embodied by Kaname Madoka
>"takes" the souls of magical girls who are about to become witches
>has existed since the beginning of the universe
>imperceptible in the physical world
None of these are contradicted by Rebellion.

>Wraith Arc
Is bad, but it was created by a different author.

Madoka is protagonost in the series, Homura is deuteragonist there.
Homura is protagonist/anti-hero of Rebellion, antagonist is QB, Madoka is almost side character. Rebellion was specifically made to finish Homura's story due her extreme popularity. As she is protagonist, she has to have a deciding role or she isn't protagonist. So everything that happens is simply explained by that.

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>>2265244
Quit ruining the thread anon. This is suppose to be everyone loves HOMURA edition!

>>2265151
being a protagonist has nothing to do with being a hero/anti-hero/villain/anti-villain, it' just means you are the main character.

Likewise for being the antagonist being just the opposing force to the protagonist.

>>2265148
There are days when I think Rebellion is great movie and there are days I wake up and think the plot of Rebellion is contrived and wonder if it was the right move for the franchise to make. Clearly they expected to milk way more than they were actually able to, unless you think a 4 (realistically 5 or 6) year gap is supposed to inspire confidence.

>Wraith Arc is by a different author
Doesn't really matter. The concept movie already showed some of the worst aspects of Wraith Arc will be present in the new project and Urobuchi himself said all future works after Rebellion were the work of him and others. Wraith Arc is essentially the Psycho-Pass 2 of meguca.

>>2265423

Which aspects were those?

>>2265427
The Wraiths cloning and becomimg monsterous magical girl like creatures, apparently after munching a magical girl that shouldnt belong (Sayaka in this case), Wraiths playing a major role in the upcoming conflict (they're placed right next to the Salamander and the Law of Cycles). I am basing this next one purely
apperances, but Homura and Devil Homura look way to similar to a Wraith clones. The gate that Homura and Sayaka are standing in front of looks similar the the sheild embedded within Wraithpurgisnacht. Those similar story aspects and aesthetics make me fear we'll just get Wraith arc tier twists. I'm hoping I'm wrong about everything.

>>2265374
Man, fuck you. I'm about the only one posting good content here.

>>2265374
Not even Homura loves herself.

>>2265459
Homura never loved herself.

Also Madoka still loves Homura, she just can't remember that she does.

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>>2265462
>Madoka loves Homura
That sounds pretty gay, nee-san.

>>2265531
>yurifags butthurt

>posting on /u/
>not calling yourself a yurifag
>kek
Hello, /v/

>>2265524
What is she playing?

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>>2265535

am I a yurifag if I like pics of girls like this one but not lewds

this is important

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>>2265551
lewd is cute

>>2265531
Just to claifry, I loathe Mami Tomoe's Everyday Life because it's everything I hate about waifu culture. Obviously the megucas were designed to be marketable, but MTEL is Mami being a legbeard and lamenting the fact she'll never find a man while she shows off her curves. Though I admittedly do read it...

>>2265561

what do you have about waifu culture

>>2265551
Both fluff & lewd is fine. I'd argue that fluff is superior.
Although that ship you posted is shit.

>>2265551
Both are fine just remember this board was and is a red board. Should still probably lurk more

>>2265585

unfortunately this is the only decent place to discuss madoka since the vg thread was gone

>>2265531
>Wraith arc was based on the short scrip Hiramatsu did for the first drama cd until the staff told him to make another one focused on the backstory between Madoka and Homura
That's where they took the initial ideas for Wraith Arc, but the execution is significantly different than Hiramatsu's original idea. Kirara 29 stated that it was Shinbo and InuCurry who gave her what became Wraith Arc.

>He wished to see Madoka proejcts wrritten by another authors, i only hope Aniplex doesn't fuck up
If I remember correctly, that exact quote came from a Live Journal translation that had a few other questionable translations. He's said more than a few times that he's still coming up with ideas, but Urobuchi also just says whatever he wants. If he does end up writing, it'd be interesting to see because he's mellowed out quite a bit recently.

>Iwakami mentioned that some parts of the future project are likely to change
Yeah. nothing is set in stone so far, but the fact we have so many wraiths in concept drawings means they're here to stay.

>>2265593
>/vg/ has Madoka threads
>goes to /u/ once /vg/ Madoka thread is dead

Literally everyone has better Madoka discussions than /a/.

>>2265666
>In Kirara 29, Hanokage stated that it was Shinbo and InuCurry who gave her what became Wraith Arc.

>>2265423
>unless you think a 4 (realistically 5 or 6) year gap is supposed to inspire confidence.

Shaft is a smaller studio than people realize. For example, the Kizumonogatari LN was published 2008. Despite several announcements and teasers/trailers, Shaft's adaptation kept getting delayed. Kizu finally started being released last year and the third part just hit Japanese theaters last month. Shaft taking forever to complete something is not necessarily cause for concern.

>>2265950
Original work v. adaptation. Kizu's entire production and release was a meme of it's own from start to finish, but the material was always there. At the same time, there has been atleast 1 Monogatari series airing every year since 2012. We could also argue whether Madoka itself was at least partially responsible for Kizu's delay.

In contrast, every interview in regards to Madoka since 2014 to date amounts to Shinbo sayings 'I like money, but don't know what to do next' and Urobuchi waffling on whether he wants to be a part of it. That's what I mean by not inspiring confidence.

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Can god love god?

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>>2265989
Since Homura doesn't believe she deserves love, it's truly the perfect thing for her to watch.

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>>2265989
Most likely

>>2263624
despite being a guy, I'd love to cosplay as Madoka

>>2265990
I'm glad the artist clarified that it was indeed chocolate.

>>2265954
And that's why most studios adapt LNs/manga now; more to work with, less work in not making an original script.

>>2266069
Of course it's choco. What else did you expect from Valentine's Day?

>>2266108
That's been true for decades though and not relevant to the new project's production schedule.

>>2265954
I agree that some of the comments from the creative staff are disheartening. My point is that there's a difference between concerns about what we're hearing and concerns about the mere passage of time.

The ideal scenario would have been the MQ planning Rebellion and its sequel together before Rebellion was even made. However, given that they didn't, taking their time is better than rushing out a sequel.

>>2265374
You realize that's futa, right?

>>2266168
torinone does a lot of futa, but not exclusively futa and I'm pretty sure that's not. Homura's hand looks at the right angle to be playing with Sayaka's clit. It's not as if she(?)'s shy about drawing dicks when dicks are involved. including in the image set this came from on pixiv

>>2266144
At a certain point, people lose interest and a project is no longer financially viable and ends up in development hell. Shinbo knows this and this was the entire reason for the concept movie at MadoGatari, which gave the impression that they were much further along than they actually were. Going back to Kizu, we could very well receive the same treatment and be idiots who buy full price tickets to a 3 part OVA.

>>2266168
Futa or not, shouldn't be posted.

>>2264682

>relive your own personal hell for 7 years

again, by choice
mami had no choice; she was and still is a victim of circumstances since the car crash

>>2266273
Mami didn't suffer at all considering 90% of that shit never happened due to the reality rewrites.

>>2266273
>Draws kids into a war that even she doesn't fully understand
>Threatens Homura with violence when she tells her to not bring innocent civillians into the world of meguca
>Ignores Homura's warnings about Charlotte
>Dies

Mami's difficult to find sympathetic honestly. Episode 10 taints her pretty badly.

>>2266327

She explicity states "you can follow me and see how megucas work and then decide by yourself if you want a contract or not". A choice she never had.

Homura austistic standing there fiddling with her hair isn't a sign of warning; in fact that makes her even more suspicious.

>Mami's difficult to find sympathetic honestly

I find the opposite. Mami is the only one that I can feel empathy due to how flawed she is. Her complexity lies in details. You can easily find a character like her in a book or drama movie; other girls are too onedimensional.

>>2266353
>Mami is the only one that I can feel empathy due to how flawed she is. Her complexity lies in details. You can easily find a character like her in a book or drama movie; other girls are too onedimensional.

I really can't tell if this is bait or Mamifags really believe this.

>>2266353
And for someone so enthralled by Mami's complexities, you seemed to miss the part where Mami's reasoning goes from "I'm giving them a choice" to "Kyubey chose them and I can't question Kyubey" to "Oh god, I'm so lonely and need someone next to me."

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>>2266362
>>2266368
It's a troll that posts on Walpurgisnet, ignore them.

>>2266368

>Oh god, I'm so lonely and need someone next to me

Actually that's her reasoning since the beginning. She decided to not be pushy because she knows the consequences of a rushed contract.

>>2266362
>>2266372

>everybody with a different opinion is either baiting or trolling

OK.

>>2266168
I did not

>>2266416
because it's not

>>2266273
By that logic, Mami had the choice of wishing to save both her parents and herself.

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>>2266397
>everybody with a different opinion is either baiting or trolling
>Mami is the only one that I can feel empathy due to how flawed she is. Her complexity lies in details. You can easily find a character like her in a book or drama movie; other girls are too onedimensional.

>>2266450
It's even a major focus in TDS.

>>2266450

People at the verge of dying do not make reasonable choices but grasp the first thing that could save them.

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>>2266465
>Children who have just watched a love one die and are approached by a wish granting rodent don't make reasonable choices
>Children who are poor and starving and approached by a wish granting rodent don't make reasonable choices
Mami doesn't get a pass and even she knows it.

>>2266580

You're just proving my point.
The entire point of TDS is to show how regretful Mami feels for not making a clear concise wish.

>>2266622
>Mami feels for not making a clear concise wish.
Mami never got the chance, Kyuubey (as the little white shit does) caught her in a time of need and distress. There was no moment in that where survival wasn't paramount.

Sure she regrets it, but there was nothing else she could have done.

>>2266638

>Mami never got the chance
>There was no moment in that where survival wasn't paramount

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

>>2266622
What I'm saying is your acting like Mami's suffering is somehow special when she is not a vicitim of circumstance, but a victim of the choices she makes. She knows she made a bad wish and the reasons she dies in series are purely because of the choices she makes (refusing to listen to Homura, being over confident in her ability, putting on a flashy show for the girls instead of focusing on the battle). That doesn't even touch on the fact that Mami is no longer dead and for all intents and purposes, the overwheliming sources of Mami's suffering didn't happen or no longer exist. She's just an orphan like every one else, and like Kyouko said, it's not like she killed her own parents.

>>2266656
>she is not a vicitim of circumstance
Ok? In what way does she have any control over what put her in that car crash?

>>2266353
>Her complexity lies in details. You can easily find a character like her in a book or drama movie; other girls are too onedimensional
She's the most stock of them all though.

>>2266656

>she is not a vicitim of circumstance, but a victim of the choices she makes

What choice did she had during that car crash, with broken bones, head split bleeding to death? You may argue that traumatized girls like Homura/Kyouko make dumb decisions but still they chose to make a wish. Mami did not had that privilege, her wish was instintively, a cry for help. From her wish to her death, from her mental breakdown to her suicide she was a victim of circumstances.

>refusing to listen to Homura

Oh come on, Homura doesn't give a shit about her or anyone else except Madoka. In fact it's even better for her that Mami died. Now, what would you think about a magical girl that comes out of nowhere, tries to kill your only company and convince your newly friends to stay away from you? You keep analyzing Mami's decisions in a vacuum without considering external factors that led her to do said decisions. That's just dishonesty.

>>2266678
> She's the most stock of them all though.
No, that would go to Kyouko whom both in the series and in the movie goes rather undefined mostly by PM3 having different areas of focus and her getting the least amount of scene time.

>>2266720
On the other hand, my point here >>2266450 is that if you absolve Mami's flawed wish by virtue of being a victim of circumstance, you must do the same for the other girls.

>>2266720
A victim of circumstance is someone who is a victim out of no of their own. A man getting struck by lightining as he's walking to work on a slightly cloudy day is a victim of circumstance. Mami does not get to choose the time and place of her wish, but every action afterwards is a decision of her own. Mami chooses to play hero. Mami chooses to slay witches. Mami chooses to segregate herself from others. Due to Mami's behaviour, she is in turn slayed by a witch. Thus she is a victim of her own actions, not a victim of circumstances. If Mami is a victim of circumstance, then like >>2266895 said, you'd have to absolve all of the girls of their actions.


>Homura doesn't give a shit about her or anyone else except Madoka. In fact it's even better for her that Mami died.

I know the cool thing on Tumblr is to pretend Homura is an obsessive freak who only shows emotion toward Madoka, but I suggest you actually watch the series instead of fan girling over a character that was literally created to die in order to shock the viewer. Homura warns Mami that the witch is not like the others. Upon Mami's death, Homura expresses grief at her death and averts her eyes when what is presumably her head flies out of Charlotte's exploding body. It would be BETTER for Homura if she could get Mami to live because it would help her against Walpurgisnacht, and this is made clear in every single spinoff, including TDS. She goes on to also show emotion and grief during Kyouko's death. Homura states in Rebellion that she regrets hurting the girls, especially Mami due to her weak psyche, and wishes that she could just forget everything.

>>2266758
Did you miss episode 5-10?

>>2266936

>every action afterwards is a decision of her own

Those decisions only exist because of her wish tho. All other girls chose to become a magical girl following their own logic; Mami didn't.

>calling me tumblr
>calling me waifufagging

Already resorting to personal attacks anon? Come on now.

>Homura warns Mami that the witch is not like the others

How considerate of her, but the day before she

>tried to kill kyubey which Mami considered a friend
>creeped the girls out by spying on them
>tried to convince the girls to stay away from Mami

It's Homura that should earn Mami's trust, not the opposite (because she's the only one who knows the grand scheme of things). She chose not to, because she doesn't care about the others. She even tackled Mami in the movie.

>Mami chooses to slay witches

She had to, cuz you know, grief seeds are used to cleanse the soul gem.

> a character that was literally created to die in order to shock the viewer

If that's what you think about Mami then you're the one that should watch the series.

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Wraith Arc 9 finally out!.

http://silvergardentl.blogspot.com/2017/02/kirara-magica-volume-28-wraith-arc-9.html

The matter of the middle chapters is still being considered. For now, please enjoy.

>>2266212
You can literally see the penis. Homura's hand is far too high up to be touching girly bits.

>>2266975
No magical girl chose the impetus for their wish. Homura did not choose that Walpurgisnacht kills the only person who ever cared for her. Kyoko did not choose that her family be ostracized and impoverished. Sayaka did not choose for her crush to be paralyzed. Madoka did not choose that the Incubators exploited girls for energy.

>It's Homura that should earn Mami's trust, not the opposite. She chose not to, because she doesn't care about the others
You're retarded. Homura never earned Mami's trust not for the lack off effort, but because she can't. Homura has piss-poor communication skills and, in Mami's eyes, it's the word of a stranger versus the word of her friend-- she would never believe anything Homura said about Kyubey because she considers him her friend.
>She even tackled Mami in the movie
Right, it's not like Homura tried to shoot Mami in the knee, so that she wouldn't kill her by destroying the soul gem, and Homura most certainly did not bring a girl she didn't even know back because said girl was friendly with Mami, why would Homura possibly do such things? You know, because Homura doesn't care.

>>2267048
>thing isn't tagged as futa
>it's futa
Which one is more believable? Anonymous or archive tags?

>>2266936
>Mami does not get to choose the time and place of her wish, but every action afterwards is a decision of her own. Mami chooses to play hero. Mami chooses to slay witches. Mami chooses to segregate herself from others. Due to Mami's behaviour, she is in turn slayed by a witch. Thus she is a victim of her own actions, not a victim of circumstances.
Which is really the thing that I am highlighting here. Despite every other action, the fact remains that she finds herself in situations due to a misplaced sense of regret and duty. Just about everything for Mami cascades for that moment in the car.
And even though she has choices, I don't think that Mami's perspective really notes all the options.
> Mami chooses to play hero.
Yeah but from the moment that the character is introduced it is rather clear that she isn't "playing hero" because she can. Something guides her choice to do that and her discussion with Sayaka prove that the crash is definitely involved.
>Mami chooses to slay witches.
Which is something that is discussed with Madoka, because she does feel duty bound to slay them. Aside from the survival element, there is an element of duty in what she does... she calls it her responsibility more than once.
> Mami chooses to segregate herself from others.
Yeah, she does but it's not like she has something that she can talk with others that don't face life and death situations daily. She doesn't. She knows that the nature of her work isn't something for daily conversation. Could she has done better? Sure, but once she made her wish... that option was ripped from her in a bid to keep things simple.

>It would be BETTER for Homura if she could get Mami to live because it would help her against Walpurgisnacht, and this is made clear in every single spinoff, including TDS.

And yet Homura is hostile and/or dismissive just about very step of the way to nearly everyone she interacts with. Which is a reoccurring pattern with her, and despite not wanting to, it alienates just about everyone around her (which depending on the story does include Madoka).
This little impulse of hers isn't much of an issue in the series because it was a necessity, but it comes to haunt her in Rebellion. Which is what makes Rebellion a tragedy is a sense. It's the one time that she shouldn't have acted on that impulse without finding out more about what is going on and it is not like she wasn't told that there was more to the scenario than meets the eye. But she did anyway.

> Too pretend Homura is an obsessive who only shows emotion toward Madoka.

Because she sort of is. To be fair, Homura is not emotionless to everyone else, she IS dismissive however. Madoka is the only person that she is not guarded about and refuses to dismiss, which is shown several times through the course of the show. Homura also concerns herself with only Madoka's well-being, in fact it is just about her only objective. Mami, Kyouko and, especially, Sayaka can all die in a fire and the most you will get out of Homura is a shrug. Partly because she has experienced this more than once and is quite desensitize to it, partly because (as far as it concerns Homura) they were never important to begin with so their lives being lost doesn't amount to much.
It's the kind of valuing that she uses that has this odd habit of treating Madoka more as a object than as a person and control is a rather large element to that. Her breakdown in Ep. 8 is a lament about how little of Madoka she actually controls, and how powerless it makes her and well... her actions Rebellion state ALOT on that subject.

>>2267059

Homura chose to become a magical girl to protect Madoka. Kyouko chose to become a magical girl to help her family. Sayaka chose to become a magical girl to heal the boy's arm. Madoka chose to become a magical girl to rewrite the universe. Mami didn't chose to become a magical girl. That's the difference.

>Homura has piss-poor communication skills and, in Mami's eyes, it's the word of a stranger versus the word of her friend

Oh so you're blaming Mami for Homura's faults? That's just an excuse to justify Homura's actions which were suspicious since the beginning.

>Homura tried to shoot Mami in the knee

Again, very considerate of her.

Wait, wasn't you who told Mami was tainted by episode 10? Why do you blame Mami so harshly for her mental breakdown yet gives Homura a free pass, who not only assaulted an ally but the one who taught her the ropes of being a magical girl? Seems like you're the waifufag here.

>>2267070
If we don't see the dick or the bulge, then it's not futa. End of the discussion. Some people have to be retarded to argue with that.

>>2267048
Except that you literally can't, unlike every other futa image from the set and that's definitely not too high to be reaching for Sayaka's clit. Homura's probably the one with the dick, if either of them has one desu

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>>2266995
Thanks a lot.

>>2267149
If someone in Madoka should have a dick, it's Homura Akemi, not one else.

>>2267111
Exactly. Nice to see others realize that anon's a fool.

>>2267242
Or you know, that's a dildo? If it's not tagged futanari, then it's not.

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>>2266995
Thanks YSG! It's nice to have actual content in between the pissing matches.

>>2267275
I agree.

>>2267275
Just finished. Kyubey is a true shitter as usual and Rebellion's post-credit scene is all the more satisfying.

>>2267274
It IS tagged as futa. You just can't read.

>>2267111
>implying crossdressing traps are allowed

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>>2267242
>two
there's a single line anon, and it seems to be following the same line from below Sayaka's hand, indicating it's the edge of her skirt. why do you have such a hard on about this? is this also futa because it's from the same imageset?

>>2267105
>Mami didn't chose to become a magical girl
She didn't choose for the car crash, but she chose not to die.
>Oh so you're blaming Mami for Homura's faults
Is this a shitty strawman or is your reading comprehension that poor? I'm not blaming Mami, I'm pointing how your claim that "Homura chose not to earn Mami's trust" is false.
>Homura's actions which were suspicious
Homura appears suspicious, yes, but the reality is that her intent was to prevent everyone from dying.
>Again, very considerate of her
Marvelous job ignoring context as well as everything else I pointed out. Would you throw someone off a balcony if it meant saving them from a fire?
>Wait, wasn't you who told Mami was tainted by episode 10
Not me.

>>2267332
What's the general opinions been on that kid from the magical girl anime who turns into a girl when he's a magical girl?

>>2267346
Ikusei Keikaku?
/a/ loved him until he was kill.
/u/ hated him, I think. Didn't lurk in the threads here as much.

>>2267346
Fine in porn if they're female throughout its entirety, but you're not likely to find much support otherwise.

>>2267346
Not that anon, but genderbender isn't yuri. He's no different than someone pretending to be a girl when they're playing an online game. Which the season pretty much is.

>>2267340
>hard on
That was my first post aaddressing it.
>master1200
>posting samples

>>2267346
Bad, but still yuri as long as it's a girl's body.

The awful thing about gender bender yuri is not that they're boys before the change, it's that they always become boys again for some stupid reason.

>>2267379
>implying there's a difference for anything <1200

>>2267344

>she chose not to die

You're just trolling at this point.

>I'm not blaming Mami

Yes you are. Your entire line of thought is "well Homura was suspicious but it was the other girls' fault for not "getting" her".

>her intent was to prevent everyone from dying

No, her intent was to protect Madoka. Watch the series.

>Would you throw someone off a balcony if it meant saving them from a fire?

Except that's not the case here. She was not saving anyone she attacked Mami because she was in her way.

>>2267482
What dictates what shows he latches onto?

>>2267485
If there is some form of yuri, he will be there. He is like a vulture attracted to animal corpses.

>>2267490
Do the relationships in GD get more serious later in the manga or something? So far I haven't seen any real basis for making claims about true/canon vs. crack pairings.

>>2267511
I don't really know, I just started because of the anime. You should ask the people who have been following the serie.

>>2267070
What? Did you even check the source? It's tagged futanari.

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=23527462

ふたなり

>>2267698
>ふたなりネタ多いので気をつけて下さい

>>2267698
I'm assuming they mean the boorus.

>>2267702
*booru isn't the source or where the artist posts their work. *boorus also have their own tagging rules and nomenclature.

If the artist says it's futa, it's futa.

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>>2267698
Honestly, if it's Torinone, chances are exceptionally high it's futa. If it's Torinone, you're getting futa and less-common pairings and it's a little foolish to think otherwise.

>>2267704
I love how Torinone pairs them up with each other so wantonly.

And the artstyle is just great.

>>2267703
I'm aware of that, I'm explaining what I think they meant given they said 'archive tags'. I've been referring to pixiv myself. And I somehow doubt that the artist intended that to mean that each and every image within that set is futa, given how disparate they are. There's a 10 tag limit on pixiv and the majority are futa. Should that discount any that don't have explicit dick in them from being shared on /u/ though, like the KyouSaya one above?

>>2267708
If Homura's got her hand around Sayaka's shaft, I think it qualifies as futa.

>>2267709
Her hand isn't wrapped around anything though, it looks like she's rubbing something with her middle fingers.

>>2267711
It looks like her hand is wrapped around a shaft.

>>2267732
It looks like her hand is wrapped around SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT FUTA ALREADY.

IF YOU THINK A PICTURE IS FUTA, REPORT IT AND LET THE MODS DECIDE. GOD DAMNIT.

How long does it usually take Tigoris to respond to an email?

>MadoHomu literally makes miracles happen
Wraith Arc is bad, but I love the yuri.

>>2267480
>You're just trolling at this point.
Mami had a choice between wishing to save herself, wishing to save her parents and herself, or bleeding to death.
Homura had a choice between wishing to turn back time, wishing Madoka back to life, or committing suicide because her city was destroyed and the only person who ever cared for her died.
Kyoko had a choice between wishing for her father to be listened to, wishing for wealth, or continuing to starve.
Sayka had a choice between wishing for Kyosuke's hand to heal, wishing for him to love her, or letting him anguish in the hospital.
Madoka had a choice between wishing to become god, wishing to destroy Walpurgisnacht, or letting Homura rewind time.

>Your entire line of thought is "well Homura was suspicious but it was the other girls' fault for not "getting" her".
Again, strawman. I'll spell it out for you plainly: it's nobody's fault.

>No, her intent was to protect Madoka. Watch the series.
Do you understand the concept of a "secondary objective" or do you need me to spell that out for you as well?

>She was not saving anyone she attacked Mami because she was in her way
She was attempting to save everyone from Nagisa, who was in the form of a witch. Sure, Nagisa was not a threat, but Homura had no reason to believe that.

>>2267940

>Mami had a choice

It's not a choice when you're in a life and death situation. It's your body reacting instintively and doing anything to survive. Animals do that too. Even Kyubei, a space rabbit with no feelings was fleeing from Homura who was trying to kill him.

>secondary objective

You don't redo the same thing for seven years for a "secondary objective".

>attempting to save everyone
>by engaging the one who supposedly she was "saving" in a gunfight
>by showing her ill intentions by aiming at her soul gem first

You're a delusional waifufag who keeps saying the same shit and was proven wrong not only by me but by the others too.

>>2267959
>It's not a choice when you're in a life and death situation
Then you can apply the same logic to Kyoko, Homura, and even Madoka: they all acted in the interest of self-preservation, as did Mami.

>You don't redo the same thing for seven years for a "secondary objective"
You do if you fail your primary objective because you failed your secondary objective.

>by engaging the one who supposedly she was "saving" in a gunfight
Mami struck first and had no intention of backing down. Mami doesn't understand the concept of a witch, so talking is useless. In order to deal with the threat, she has to overcome Mami as an obstacle. That means killing her or temporarily incapacitating her to escape. She consciously chooses not to do the former, because she knows Mami wasn't doing anything wrong intentionally.

>delusional
Amusing coming from you, whose response to anything you can't refute is to ignore.

>>2267959
>waifufag
Not her, but that's rich coming from the raging Mamifag. Once again, for someone claiming Mami has such hidden depth and complexities to her character, you sure do ignore the actual complexities and motivations of the other girls.

>>2267978

No you can't. Clearly you don't understand the difference between a decision made by logic and by instinct.

>Mami struck first

And here you are blaming the other girls for Homura's faults (again!). Mami tied Homura because noticed her ill intentions. Indeed, her intentions were truly evil: to kill Bebe, a mascot whose helped Mami to deal with her loneliness and the other witches.

>and had no intention of backing down

Mami was literally defending herself and Bebe. So true that she wrapped Homura at the end. No guns pointed at her soul gem, not even chased Sayaka after she fled.

>talking is useless so I'mma gonna resort to violence instead

I sure hope you don't apply this logic in real life because boy sooner or later you're going to have a bad time.

>>2267985

I'm talking about Mami because I want to talk about her, not about the others. If you want to talk about the other girls then start a discussion.

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Someone tl;dr whatever dumbass argument is going on right now for me please.

>>2268002
>Teal deer: Who's dumber with plot? Mami or Homura.
I think.

>>2268002

waifuwars

>>2268002
Past 24 hours in 5 lines,
>Anon says Mami suffered the most
>Anon lists Homura's suffering in response
>Mami poster proceeds to bait
>Homufriends take the bait
>as usual
There's a chance it's not bait, but that would make things worse.

>>2268000
>a decision made by logic

>suicidal people make logical decisions
>starving people make logical decisions

>blaming
I never claimed Mami was wrong for attacking Homura.

>her intentions were truly evil


>We're trapped in a barrier, that should be impossible.
>There's a witch here, that should be impossible.
>That witch must have trapped us here for some nefarious purpose.
>I'm the only one who remembers what a witch is, so I'm the only one that can save us.
>I'm going to interrogate the witch.
Truly worse than Hilter.

>in real life
Believe it or not, there are occasions when violence is the most efficient solution. In real life, sure, that's not often, but the circumstances involved are far removed from realism. Besides, do you seriously expect Homura to rant for 10 minutes on some implausible conspiracy theory involving multiple timelines, the apocalypse, and god?

>>2268020
Honestly more entertaining than what usually goes on.

>>2268020
>There's a chance it's not bait
That's just the thing-- people unironically believe this shit.

>>2268035
Poe's Law

>>2268035
There's no use arguing with stupid, anon.

>>2268035
>thinking irony matters
You're just as bad.

>>2268020

>everybody who has a different opinion is baiting

OK.

>>2268026

You're confusing a decision made by following your own logic with a logical decision.

Suicidal people do make dumb decisions sure but still backed by their own logic. Mami wasn't thinking about anything when she made her wish; it was her own body responding to iminent death.

>do you seriously expect Homura to rant for 10 minutes on some implausible conspiracy theory involving multiple timelines, the apocalypse, and god?

Anything is better than assaulting your allies anon, if your intention is to convince them. But that was never Homura's intentions.

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>>2268052
If you're not baiting, then you're retarded.

>Attacking allies is wrong
Mami doesn't even know what Bebe is, let alone what Nagisa's mission is. In this instance, Homura is correct: a witch has imprisoned them in a false city and altered their memories. Following the rules of the series, the witch would have dropped the barrier as soon as it was killed and Homura would be vindicated. The longer Homura hesitates, the more likely it is for the witch to kill her because that's exactly what it tried to do in every timeline. While she is wrong about the witch in question, Homura is acting rationally according to her experiences and in any instance, Mami is literally a brainwashed to believe Bebe is her friend.

>>2268052
>Mami wasn't thinking
>"I don't want to die" isn't a thought
And since you were mentioning instinct previously, avoiding starvation and protecting loved ones are both instincts.

>Anything is better than assaulting your allies anon, if your intention is to convince them. But that was never Homura's intentions
Why would Homura intend to do something impossible when she has a far more practical and straightforward alternative?

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>>2268064
>Mami is not aware of what a witch is
>Mami does not know Bebe is benevolent
>It is Homura's fault that a brainwashed Mami chooses to protect a witch
Mami even starts the confrontatiom.

>>2268065
Also remember that Mami was cognizant of what she was doing. She may have been dying, but she was capable of speaking, understanding Kyubey's request, and making a wish. She was dying, but it's not like she was seconds away from death.

>>2268064

>Mami is literally a brainwashed to believe Bebe is her friend

And that's a good enough reason to kill her?

>homura was trying to save everybody I swear
>but she tried to kill mami
>yeah but that's okay because mami was wrong

You're bending your argument everytime to fit your narrative that Homura was a gud girl and did nothing wrong and pushing the blame game to the others and I am the one who's baiting here? Come the fuck on.

>>2268065

>avoiding starvation and protecting loved ones are both instincts

You have a point but Homura and Kyouko didn't reached the state where their instincts were taking decisions.

>Why would Homura intend to do something impossible when she has a far more practical and straightforward alternative?

Then you can't say that Homura was trying to "protect everyone" when she attacked and was trying to kill an ally, bitch.

>>2268067

Mami made herself clear: stop doing that shit or else you have to fight me. Then Homura jumped at her.

>Mami even starts the confrontatiom

This is a lie and anyone can easily fact check this.

>>2268076
>>2268076
>You have a point but Homura and Kyouko didn't reached the state where their instincts were taking decisions
A decision is never purely instinctual. As pointed out by >>2268068, she was aware of her situation.

>Homura attacked
>fact check this
Sure. Mami snuck up on Homura and bound her with a ribbon. Mami made the first attack.

>was trying to kill
Which is why she fired her gun at the soul gem, right?

>>2268083

>a 15 yo girl in a car crash aware of her situation

Mami tied her because noticed her ill intentions. And even followed her to double-check what Homura was trying to do. Homura, on the other hand, jumped at her and opened fire with a semi-automatic weapon.

>Which is why she fired her gun at the soul gem, right?

Doesn't matter, the intention to kill was there in the moment she pointed her gun at Mami's soul gem.

>>2268098
>a 15 yo girl in a car crash aware of her
She was aware enough to understand Kyubey.

>ill intentions
Right, because interrogating something that killed Mami in multiple timelines and should not logically exist is truly the epitome of evil.

>intention to kill
Adrenaline rush in the heat of the moment. She made a conscious decision not to kill. You also defeated your own argument:
>the intention to kill was there in the moment
Meaning that she did not intend to kill Mami in the beginning.

>>2268102

kyubey can communicate through telepathy tho

>Adrenaline rush in the heat of the moment

nice retarded headcanon

>she did not intend cuz she changed her mind after

that's not how it works

>>2268116
>telepathy
Her brain still has to process the words; telepathy only means her eardrums don't pick up sound.

>that's not how it works
Then why don't you give a single item of proof that Homura had intent to kill Mami outside that moment.
>inb5 "she attacked mami"
Mami struck first.
>inb5 "she used a gun"
You can kill someone with your bare hands. If I punch someone in the face, does that prove intent to kill? Besides, a magical girl can take far more damage than a human; it's logical to use a gun if your intent is to incapacitate.

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>>2268128

>anon give me a reason a single reason why you think homura was trying to kill mami
>she tried to destroy her soul gem (which is, by the way, the only way to kill a magical girl)
>nooo not this one give me another

>>2268182
That's not "trying" to kill someone. "Trying" to kill someone would be aiming at their vital points and missing. Moreover, that doesn't even prove her intent to kill Mami at the beginning of the fight.

>>2268239

>point a loaded gun at someone's vital point
>noo she wasn't trying to kill her

I'm no lawyer but come on.

>>2268293
Not the anon you've been arguing with, but they are magical girls.

Anything short of a hit to their soul gem is rather pointless.

>>2268293
"Trying" means making an attempt. If Homura tried to squeeze the trigger but someone tackled her first, that would be trying. If she pulled the trigger and the gun jammed, that would be trying. If she fired and missed, that would be trying. She never made an attempt to fire a lethal shot on Mami; she never tried to kill her.

>>2268549
>She never made an attempt to fire a lethal shot on Mami; she never tried to kill her.
This. They both make comments about outlasting each other and getting nowhere in their fight.

>>2268182
She tried to, but she couldn't do it, and Homura doesn't even like Mami.

>>2268549

The intent to kill was there. First thing Homura did after freezing Mami was to point a gun at her soul gem. Why not target the limbs first if her real intention was to stop/immobilize her? Why not keep chasing Bebe and leave Mami there?

This scene is great because it shows that Homura does not consider Mami a friend, or even an ally, but a nuisance. A thing she had to deal with every single timeline. This is why Homura always sides with Kyouko: because she's an "useful idiot", who get things done no questions asked. It also debunks your argument that Homura's intention was to prevent everyone from dying in anime (>>2267344) and save everybody from Nagisa in the movie (>>2267480).

>>2268839
>First thing Homura did after freezing Mami was to point a gun at her soul gem.
What was the second thing she did?

>>2268842

Keyword here: second

>>2268839
>Why not target the limbs first
Because 99% percent of Homura's experience in combat is fighting to the death. Her reflex was to go for a killshot, but she decided against it.

>Why not keep chasing Bebe and leave Mami there?
Her magic supply is limited. It would be a significant drain to keep time stopped longer than she needed to.

>This scene is great because it shows that Homura does not consider Mami a friend, or even an ally, but a nuisance
Right, because she made no attempt to warn her about Charlotte, instead only choosing to sweep in after she died, because Mami's survival was utterly irrelevant to her.

So what mental gymnastics do you use to justify that Homura deliberately aimed away from the soul gem, since she apparently "doesn't care about Mami"?

>>2268839
>Fight is preceded with a monologue where Homura lingers over her regrets of hurting the other girls when she told them the truth, especially Mami
>Scene right before fight, Homura tells Mami they being tricked and under the influence of w witch
>This scene is great because it shows that Homura does not consider Mami a friend, or even an ally, but a nuisance.
>Scene in question is Homura lowering her weapon and striking Mami's knee
>Mami: You could have killed me, but you didn't. That must mean you have some regard for my well being.

>>2268845
Why didn't she shoot?

>>2268862
I'm curious to see how that anon justifies the final scenes in Rebellion when Homura gives everyone a happy endo. Especially since Homura kept what they all said throughout the first half of the movie in mind when she rewrote the universe.
There was 0 reason to give them a happy ending with their friends. Unless you want to say she's trying to keep them from questioning things when that would be pretty convoluted since she could just kill (the already dead) Sayaka and Nagisa (who has never met any of the girls prior) and never have that issue come up again.

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>>2268862

>99% percent of Homura's experience in combat is fighting to the death

So is Mami. But you don't see Mami targeting her soul gem and even attempted to stop Homura's fake suicide.

>Her reflex was to go for a killshot

Here, even made a webm for you. Carefully picking the gun and slowly moving it towards the soul gem isn't reflex. She even spent a good minute or two considering doing it.

>Her magic supply is limited.

Nice retarded headcanon again. Magic supply was threw out of the window in Rebellion since the girls don't even mention or care about grief seeds.

>mental gymnastics

Hilarious coming from someone who treats Homura as an OC donut steel mary sue who can do no wrong and has a counter for everything.

>>2268874

>lingers over her regrets of hurting the other girls
>but proceeds to attack mami anyways

>Homura tells Mami they being tricked and under the influence of w witch
>after freezing everyone
>and grabbing bebe by her throat
>and taking some distance
>and strangling bebe with her own hands

Very convincing.

>Mami: You could have killed me, but you didn't. That must mean you have some regard for my well being.

That's just Mami being considerate because, you know, she actually cares about Homura and thinks she's a friend.

Hmmm pleasently suprised. Usually when I search anime porn and doujin's up, most of it is Het (Even for some Yuri's) For Madoka, its about sixty percent Yuri. Awesome. I wonder why?

>>2269018
Because you're new to the internet and love to show it.

>>2269020
Now, now. Don't bully the juniors.

>>2269010
>Homura tells Mami they being tricked and under the influence of w witch
>after freezing everyone
>and grabbing bebe by her throat
>and taking some distance
>and strangling bebe with her own hands

Because Bebe is a witch and was dropped in the viewers face for the previous 45 minutes, dumbfuck.

Im having trouble keeping up though. Are you trying to argue Mami is an innocent and rational in her decisions or is this just a way for you to bitch about Homura? Regardless, it will never change the fact Mami doujinshi are overwhelming her being gangraped and Homura remains the most sympathetic and popular character int he franchise.

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>>2269034

>Are you trying to argue Mami is an innocent and rational in her decisions or is this just a way for you to bitch about Homura?

No, I'm just calling you out for being a dense waifufag who keeps saying the same dumb shit over and over again and painting Homura as a gud girl who did not wrong by spreading lies (which anybody can easily fact check), pulling retarded headcanons out of nowhere and playing the blame game.

Here's a cute Mami pic since you hate her so much.

>>2269045
>Calls others waifufags
>Spergs out because somebody said Mami didn't suffer the most
>Angered by Mami not getting sweet, cuddly doujins
>Complains about head, but thinks Mami is a complex character
>Even defends Mami attempting to kill all her friends

Yeah, heres the thing anon: most people accept or at least acknowledge Homura makes bad decisions out of desperation (like every other character in the series). Only retards who can't read between the lines think Homura is evil and wants all the other meguca dead. You are in the retard section.

I also don't hate Mami. I wish there was more HomuMami or Antimaterials. I just don't think she's interesting in the least.

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Okay, so from skimming over the retarded argument going on the past few days it seems you guys are just arguing that;

Mami had a hard life
Homura had a hard life

They both had a hard life, get over yourselves and shut the fuck up. This is a board about lesbians and this doesn't seem very gay.

>>2269060
>continues the sperging
>while acting like he isn't sperging
You should just stop posting along with the anon.

>>2269064
Are you implying that lesbians don't have hard lives, anon?

>>2269071
I'm implying that this shit flinging is not appropriate for /u/.

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>>2269060

Nah, you're the definition of an autistic waifufag.

I started this discussion by saying Mami got the short end of the stick and I like her backstory more (you know, IMHO) then you proceed to

>calling me tumblr
>calling me baiting
>calling me retarded
>spreading disinfo
>using headcanon to back up arguments
>bending your arguments to fit your weak-ass narrative

Does the fact that I like Mami more offend you that much to the point of bringing rape doujinshi to this convo as a personal insult? Are homutards always this dense?

Here's another cute Mami.

where are the mods
help

>>2269065
Im only one of the spergs. Minimum 3 of us.

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>>2269081
All you.

>>2269082
As annoying as it is to see the spergs try and act superior, it's not against any board rules because it's in the topic of the thread. You can certainly report any and every sperg post if you feel so inclined.

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>>2268900
>Why didn't she shoot?
Isn't it obvious? Homura has a thing for being tied up by Mami's ribbons.

>>2269092

So? Wasn't stopped me from commenting about some movie scenes.
What, are you upset because I dislike Rebellion?

https://twitter.com/Butch_Gen?s=09

Butcher says that he sees his characters being granted happiness on Vday and will do his best to have the plot take it from them next year. Is it right to take this as confirmation that he's on board for the sequel?

>>2269073
Aye, I'm only messing mate. I've been mentally filtering most of it past my eyes anyway.

>>2269010
>So is Mami
Mami is more softhearted.
>Here, even made a webm for you
Fine.
>a good minute or two
15 seconds.
>headcanon
>Fact explicitly demonstrated in anime is "headcanon"
>grief seeds
Don't exist in Rebellion because witches don't. Did you miss the shot of the Holy Quintet's soul gems being purified after defeating the Nightmare?

>Hilarious coming from someone who treats Mami as an OC donut steel mary sue who can do no wrong and has a counter for everything.
Homura's actions are not morally right, but that doesn't make her evil. Unless you're a moral absolutist, in which case, shouldn't you be more of a Sayakafag?

>Very convincing
Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason Homura doesn't want explain to Mami the concept of a witch. Let's think very carefully... what would happen if Homura told Mami what a witch is? Hm...

>Urobuchi wrote Homura to compensate for the fact Madoka was a completely unnatural character for him
>Cool, cold, and pragmatic to the point of coming off as an antagonist
>Edgy dialogue
>Bad attitude
>Tragic back story
>Literally teleports behind you
Homura was alwayd cold steel OC.

>>2269143
I always did like to imagine "Crawling" on loop while she was on screen.

>>2269146
>Gen: Ignoring for a moment whether it's in the heroic genre or not, the show that had the most impact on my childhood was "Armored Trooper VOTOMS." Chirico Cuvie, the character, is in some ways, the the most powerful man. The strength of his resolve, to never stray from it, he always acts of his own accord. Not only did he refuse companionship, he even denied god himself. Such powerful was his conviction. With it, even the appearance of simply drifting along doesn't phase him. As a child, that was incredibly shocking to see.
Does it make it worse that Urobuchi can't seem to get the fuck over what VOTOMS did to his childhood?

>>2269126

>Mami is more softhearted.

Yeah, so?

>Fact explicitly demonstrated in anime

Keyword here is anime. We're talking about Rebellion. In Rebellion we have some stupid shit going on like Homura freezing time multiple times in the same fight, Mami summoning a nuclear tank and Sayaka invoking her inner witch.

>Homura's actions are not morally right

Not morally right is an understantement.

>well talking to mami is useless so let's shoot her instead

Shrugs.

>>2269166
>Yeah, so?
A more softhearted person values not killing more than pragmatism.

>Rebellion is bad meme

>Homura freezing time multiple times in the same fight
Freezing and unfreezing. You must really be retarded if you missed that.
>a nuclear tank
Right, because when it fired, it engulfed the entire city in a fireball. It wasn't even a tank either; it was a railway gun. It was also using Nagisa's magical power as well.
>Sayaka invoking her inner witch
A witch is created by despair overtaking a magical girl's soul. Madoka takes the soul and allows it to overcome despair. It's not implausible.

>Not morally right is an understantement.
And evil is an overstatement.

>Shrugs

>I can shoot Mami non-lethally and deal with the witch
>Or I can obey Mami and let the witch kill us all

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>>2269183

>A more softhearted person values not killing more than pragmatism.

I still don't get the correlation between being softhearted and attempting or not to kill a partner. To me that's common sense.

>Freezing and unfreezing

Does it fucking matter? She was literally freezing/unfreezing time multiple times. The concept of "magic supply" literally does not exist in Rebellion when all girls are using magic like they're on crack.

>Right, because when it fired, it engulfed the entire city in a fireball

Pic.

>It was also using Nagisa's magical power as well

No it wasn't. Mami made that gun alone. You can easily fact check this.

>And evil is an overstatement.

Then meet me in the middle, stop painting Homura as a "misuderstood hero".

>I can shoot Mami non-lethally and deal with the witch

Except that was not the first thing Homura did. She considered killing Mami right there by destroying her soul gem.

>>2269238
>I still don't get the correlation between being softhearted
A pragmatist would consider a cost-benefit analysis of killing a partner. A softhearted person would not.
>attempting
Considering is not the same as attempting.

>Pic
Can you post the pic where the magical girls went blind from the flash and then disintegrated utterly? Or the part with acute radiation poisoning?

>You can easily fact check this
With the production note. Nagisa helped. Also note the presence of desserts adorning the weapon.

>misuderstood hero
You clearly misunderstand her. She isn't heroic, quite obviously, that's why the term antihero exists.

>first thing Homura did
Was shooting the ribbon to try to escape Mami. Mami gave her an ultimatum: leave Bebe alone, or fight. She responded to the threat by engaging.

>>2269278
Try using our filter in the OP. It does help.