Existential Crisis

It's rough. I haven't completely given up all non-yuri yet. Other interests of mine can occasionally win out. But I definitely can tell that shows I would have watched maybe just a couple years ago are now completely unwatchable for me.
Usually I try to find shows without romance at all if I can't find yuri or yuri subtext. Because at least I can still ship girls together.

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My friend was raving about this visual novel and trying to be vague to avoid spilling spoilers. So I looked up pictures of it. The first picture grabbed me in, it has everything I love. 10 pictures later, there was this fucking het sex. Immediately turned me off. And realized the reality I am in now.

>>2238007
Thanks. I'll try to do the same. Old habits die hard.

>>2237984
Me too, when I see couples het is the streets makes me want to vomit and disgust

Occasionally I'll find something non-yuri like OregaIru amusing, but I'm guessing it eventually turns into the very thing it's a satire of.

>>2238007
>find shows without romance at all
Shame that no-romance with female leads is basically as rare as the yuri we are so deprived of. Life is tough.

This is why I fill out the wait between content with reading books. No shortage there.
...unless you want well written fantasy. That library didn't take long to read through.

>>2238148
It's getting better though. At least for movies, there's more and more movies with strong female leads and no romance.

>>2238172
I was still not aware of /u/ stuff back then but I knew I was onto something when Mad Max: Fury Road came out, it is my favorite movie of all time. A first for me. Yes, there is a het romance in it but it is so minor that you can easily ignore it.

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Yuri changed me ,I am a heterosexual girl ,I do not like the shojo anymore and the romance het seems boring to me .

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This thread should be a thing on /u/. It's great to see nee-chans coming together.

Some of you guys sound real young.

Wait till you hit your late 20's or early 30's and realize that life is just...life. That's when the real existential crisis comes in.

>>2238163
I started out wanting only high quality. My standards dropped real fast

>>2238278
>Yuri changed me ,I am a heterosexual girl
>I am a heterosexual girl

Not even you believe that.

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>>2237984
You see, my problem is less that "everything is shit" and more "everything would be better if it was two girls."

I could be like, reading some sort of het momcest porn doujin and lamenting that it would be ten times hotter if it was about her daughter instead.

>>2238331
>Some of you guys sound real young.
Where do you think you are? This is one of tumblr's gateways to 4chan.
Also go to a psychologist.

>>2238676
But I'm a heterosexual girl, who likes yuri is so hard to believe?

>>2238681
As hard to believe as a man who genuinely believes in "brojobs" to be honest.

>>2238690
That makes absolutely no sense.
Are you saying that a person can't enjoy a mystery novel unless they're actually a cop? Or a western film unless they're an actual cowboy? Or a sci-fi story unless they actually live in the future?

Stop smoking crack

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>>2238978
>Stop smoking crack
You're not the boss of me.

>>2238978
Sorry, you're gay. Time to get out of the closet. :3

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>>2237984

I've felt this way for years and years now and to be honest hetero romance frustrates me and to an extent angers me these days. Mostly because I'm an oldfag and I'm bitter that there isn't enough yuri content out there. Everyone I know and their mothers are recommending Your Name to me but I just can't be bothered anymore because it's het. I know the movie's probably good and I know it's probably visually awesome and I'm probably missing something good but I immediately shut down in bitterness because all I can think of is how it would have been better if it had been about two girls.

i like some het stuff like um

>>2239199
I can ignore side het if the plot is good but anything that is focused on the het romance always bored me to tears. A few years ago I probably would have watched that because I was starved for something I didn't know existed and would try anything to satisfy the hunger. Now that we know how much good yuri there is to consume what point is there in wasting time on something unenjoyable? Aside from reading for knowledge.

You think that's bad, imagine your distaste for het to be so strong that you can't enjoy any kind of porn with guys in it, seems simple enough... until you notice that most sites that have porn lack good ways of filtering out het.
You'd think the solution is just focus on lesbian/yuri, but A) many sites will include "two girls kiss while being railed by big black cocks" in the search and B) it doesn't take long before you start needing a bit of variety.

Thankfully I discovered exhibitionism, CFNF and other tags to help broaden things I can search for.

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>>the_folk_discussing_straight_yuri_fan
Maybe the thing is that yuri does certain stories better and/or more often.
Consider the old "at first I pushed you away, but now I see I was a fool, I do Love you", in het works it is an eye-rolling cliche where magically the character does a 180 on their reaction because... the plot says so?
While in yuri it can make a bit more sense, many people who end up being a QUILTEDBAGPIPE (acronym for almost all identities known to man, and some known only to dolphins) at first reject the idea that they could be gay or whatever but after much soul-searching and looking back at their time with the other character they see that, yes, they do like girls.

Another thing to look at is the kinds of relationships yuri pairings have over het, there is lots of yuri that focusses more on a soft, gentle, cute kind of love, the sort of one where you fall asleep under a blanket holding one another lightly, head-on-head-on-shoulder.
While het is more likely to focus on a hotter more passionate and aggressive lust, frenching against a wall as your hands explore every nook and cranny of the other.
Thats not to say there aren't any hot and heavy lesbo-lusting or sweet and adorable boy meets girl but they are not the norm.

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>tfw I can only watch anime with all female cast or all male cast like Jojo and such

>>2239231
Dont go to general sites and start randomly search tags. Start writing names down and go straight to download those names.

>>2239234
What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>2239231

I'm >>2238007 and I've had the porn problem far longer than the general fiction problem. The first things I masturbated to were solo female or two female images. And when I tried to look for more hardcore stuff I was immediately turned off. I've never liked men in porn. Women only, or I don't watch/read/look at it.

What I'm getting at is
>You think that's bad
Isn't really applicable. Porn and general fiction are separate. While I have on occasion been okay with het in fiction, even if it is dwindling for me, I've never been okay with it in porn.

Pic related is one of the first images I remember masturbating to. Surely not the first ever, but really early on in my life. It might have also been a sort of spark for my interest in yuri, though I didn't know it at the time.

>>2239237
I'm actually the mostly the same. I'm not a fan of BL (though, I know not all male-only casts are meant to attract BL enthusiasts) but it doesn't feel as old and tired as het. The vast, vast majority of anime nowadays is some shitty played-out plot where the main character and the heroine have a cookie-cutter relationship development process.
Whereas homosexual/homoerotic relationships typically need to be more subtle, so they actually come up with interesting ways of showing love and affection.

>>2239256
I see, kinda presumptuous of me, my apologies. But yes I two know your pains, on both sides.
>>2239244
Honestly you're right, the problem being that A) a lot of the stuff ends up without anything pointing to who actually made it B) many creators dabble in things I like as well as stuff I don't, which can get me back to my original problems C) I obviously have to find them first and D) once you've consumed all of a creators work you are back to square one
But yeah, I'll try to look more closely and try to jot down creators that get my engine going

>>2239244
the line of dialogue starting from>>2238278
Was trying to help those who couldn't fully understand the idea, and possibly help her understand why her tastes have changed, beyond just going "hurr, ur a dyke now lol"

>>2237984
I'm sure it's not the same for everyone, but I'm a late 20 person and anti-social. I lived my life watching a lot of animes, movies, books, games, mangas...you get it. So it really came to a point where something people point out as amazing I just think "well, saw better already". I tried to drop anime once. Yuri and slice of life are the genres that made me go back.

That's when you realize how subjective your enjoyment about any media is. Quality writing only gets you at a limited point, but after some time, you need a personal preference to keep going back to that.

And I was someone who only watched the most "deep" and "edgy" anime once. Nowadays, I find most of them boring and my favorite titles are cute slice of life shows about girls hugging each other. I really get why these shows are usually seinen. It makes a lot of sense to me.

Also, I went from being a het shipper in my infancy to despise romance in my teen days and finally finding yuri in my early 20. There was some kind of progress, but it was hardly objective. That's why I think most critiques are shitty. They're treating a subjective matter as a fact.

I feel like I came to a point where I want to produce my own materials instead of only borrowing things others made. Like, I have ideas I want to see done, but no one is doing it, so I should do it myself.

Anyway, I don't even know why I wrote all of that.

>>2239275
This thread is a place for anons to vent and/or express themselves.

Why don't you create something? Like /a/ with Katawa Shoujo. Well... Probably not something on that scale but still. We could chip in or something.

>>2239287
>This thread is a place for anons to vent and/or express themselves.
Don't get too bloggy or this thread'll vanish

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>>2239287
Hello there, is that some hope for a future project I'm seeing?

Need I remind everyone of the myriad projects 4chan has abandoned over the years? Some of which have become targets of board-wide ridicule, may I add.

Going by the game, general and recent releases thread, nobody can agree on anything. What makes you think a project where nine out of ten participants can only write (because that is always the case) will take off and finish?

It's a fool's errand, all of it.

I'm annoyed that every fucking movie and TV show has to have a romance angle.
Actually a few of those managed to completely ruin the flow of an entire story and, at times, a character.
Just do a good story without that shit already, fuck's sake.
Or...you know, take a chance and have lesbians.

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>>2239443
The only show that subverted that was Person of Interest, AND when they have romance they did with the one of the best romance I have seen on TV. Until the end.

To be fair, it was my first ship.

>>2239782
Man, I try so hard to like real life lesbians but I just find them so fucking unappealing compared to 2D cuties.

>>2239292
If someone comes with a substantial amount of work already put into a project (like SaintBomber or OfficerYou) it's easier to take them more seriously than some random anon with an idea.

It's pretty basic skepticism you pick up after browsing Lemmasoft forums for a while

>>2239865
Though on that same note, I have seen a fair share of projects with what appeared to be a lot of work put into them fizzle out.

>>2239782
Still fucking hurts.

Because real life is so full of het, I found I tended to vomit the moment I woke up. Eventually, I got it down to only vomiting when I looked out of a window. The coating of sick soon blocked the view out of all windows and now I can enjoy life again. Hang in there, OP.

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I'm skipping a lot of content because of lack of yuri too.
But the thing is, I often don't mind if I give em an honest try.

But a pure het romance... Nah, can't do it.
I have to get to know and like the male character before he so much as looks at a girl if I am to accept it.

>>2239848
For me, it's hit or miss. The L Word and Clexa (Lexa was great tho) were awful. Shoot and Wayhaught were beautiful in every way possible.

For 2D, I can't get in with Utena and Anthy at all. But Nanoha and Fate.. hoo boy.

>>2239934
When I first saw that episode, I rationalized myself that it happened the way she wanted it to and they gave her a beautiful finale.

6 months later, I'm bitter about it. That is the only thing the PoI fan in myself remember. Headcanon: she is still alive.

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>>2239990

I never liked anything with white girls because they're not quite as cute as Japanese girls. The closest 'shipping' I ever do is with idols which of course always turns out as bait and it breaks my heart every single fucking time. I'll never learn.

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>>2239935
You might have a gastrointestinal disease, anon.

>>2238978
>Are you saying that a person can't enjoy a mystery novel unless they're actually a cop? Or a western film unless they're an actual cowboy? Or a sci-fi story unless they actually live in the future?
Well unless they're able to actually enjoy cop stories, the wild west, or sci-fi, they can't. You'd have to enjoy seeing females touching each other to enjoy yuri.

>>2240081
Asian girls are uglier than white girls tbqh.

>The closest 'shipping' I ever do is with idols
You might have autism.

>>2240138
Well, not really. It's not as though yuri is just girl on girl porn. You only have to not mind it. Lots of yuri is even pretty subtle about depicting physical intimacy.

>>2240081
Japanese girls all look too similar. I like Korean girls better. Only if they had more yuri.

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Is it okay to hate yuri written by males that have no decent male characters as one of the protagonists? That is, a selfless male character that doesn't need to be gay to be supportive of the yuri? I think female writers will inevitably self insert as a female character, therefore male writers should too. A writer will inevitably insert one of their quality into the writing after all, so it wouldn't make any sense if they self insert into a different gender, like what yoshi kana of murcielago did.

>>2240154
Emotional intimacy is quite gay. And kissing? Most yuri has girls kissing girls.

>>2240157
>only if they had more yuri
If you asked our resident koreaboos they have the only yuri and yuri is dead in Japan

>>2240167
I hate it when they add this disgusting little self-insert mascots. They may not actually do anything, but they keep watching girls doing gay things and internally jerk off while doing so.

>>2240171
You mean for live actions too?

>>2238278
Men just are no good, eh? Why don't you forget about them?

>>2240167
Writers usually put a little of themselves in each characters they create, regardless of gender or role to the story. That's why making a self insert character is stupid and bad writing.

>>2237984
If they asked me to kill my family for a world full of yuri, I would do it without hesitation

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>>2240173
>>2240189
>implying
Art is inspired by life and ideals. How is self-insertions of one's own ideas and experience not inevitable? A character is always inspired by the image of the creator. I mean, not self insert as in blatant worship of the form of self in an idealized world created by the artist. This self insert has nothing to do with worship of the self, but it's about creating a character according to your image, the depths of your artistic inspiration. Only by this way we can make a piece of art true to life, a declaration of our existence.

>>2240173
Killing your family won't do anything. Killing yourself however...

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>>2240173
Anon do you realize that's exactly what we do in this board?
Is that really the characters you hate, or is it yourself?

i cant seem to enjoy anything that isnt yuri

>>2248108
I can enjoy things that are not yuri, actually.
What I can't enjoy anymore is het and male-centred shows.

>>2248159
Same here.

>>2237984
Imagine being a yuri fan before the great age of yuri. yuri games were mostly non existent, translation of anything yuri were slim, game translations died before fruition, highschool angst was all we had. Those were the darkest days(insert bane quote). Nowadays there's a shit ton to choose from and iit's only getting better. Praise madoka

>>2248308
I'm glad I got into yuri with Strike Witches so I could be around for the good times.

>>2238681
It reminds me of
>traps aren't gay

Do we really need to go down that road?

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>>2239234
>but we are both girls
every time
Yuri killed my liver.

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When did we become the anti-heterosexual board instead of the yuri board?

>>2238278
>posting on 4chan
>on /u/ of all boards
>I'm completely straight

If you believe you're still completely straight, I've got an excellent opportunity for building a bridge in Egypt I'd like to talk to you about.

>>2240154
I watch yuri because I really love to see girls hugging and kissing each other, if that's not what you like about it, then I have no idea what, yuri is agenre by itself because we specifically want to see girls with other girls, the story is what ties it together, but nobody goes into a yuri work only caring about the story, if the story was the same in the het work then you should have no problem going to watch that as well. Why do you watch it? I am extremely curious.

>>2237984
Stop being too idealistic cuck and you will find the true hapiness.

>>2249188
>true happiness

Wake up.

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>>2248379
Not that anon, but I'm also a straight girl who exclusively likes yuri anime/manga. Not everyone on /u/ is a raging alpha dyke.

Besides, 2D girls are perfect, but 3DPD girls are gross. It's not the same thing at all.

>>2249311
>Besides, 2D girls are perfect, but 3DPD girls are gross. It's not the same thing at all.

As if boys aren't even worse.

>>2238678
>my problem is less that "everything is shit" and more "everything would be better if it was two girls."

This is the problem for me.

Got a manga sampler from a con recently. Had a chapter of some "brother and sister swap places/crossdress and go to school" story. The boy defended girls being bullied and had confused girls blushing over him and the whole time I thought about how this would be PERFECT if it was a girl instead. I wanted to read it and pretend he was a girl but I just couldn't. I wish I had never read that sample, it just gave me a taste of what will never be.

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I love yuri. It has changed me as a person, and defined my purpose. The greatest project of my life is writing lesbian romance stories.

But, I still like other kinds of stories, I just make sure to keep everything separate in my mind, and know not to expect yuri of things which explicitly aren't. I can appreciate non-yuri for other reasons, reasons which are common across all good fiction - characterisation, narrative structure, excitement, cool stuff - even if part of me knows that the works in question would appeal to me more if any romance was girl-girl.

About 7-8 years ago I had a problem though. I went looking for the kinds of very specific lesbian fiction I wanted to read, and discovered that either it doesn't exist or it's very thin on the ground. So I had to start writing it myself. That's my solution. There's a million great stories out there, but the specific ones for me aren't enough.

I don't really know where I was going with that. You don't have to ignore all other good stories in the world because they're not yuri, but equally you have to be (or support) the change you want to see.

>>2249468
>You don't have to ignore all other good stories in the world because they're not yuri

Well, maybe, but then I think: "Why would I read that, when I can read something with girls?". Anyway, not like I don't read anything without yuri though. On anime only, I think shows like Mushishi and Death Parade are great. On series there's things like Black Mirror.

But seriously, most stories are bullshit, it's just that. And their main bullshit is shoehorned romance that makes no sense. But if it's bullshit with yuri, it's a better bullshit.

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>>2238278
I'm straight too.

I like (non-porny) yuri that has a more androgynous/dominant girl. I feel like I can relate to those type of characters. I can never, ever relate to the females in hetero romance.

I mostly prefer BL, because I like the uke-characters (and self insert as the seme, although this has gotten harder as I age). Males in het romance are revolting to me, they are the polar opposite of what I personally find desirable.

If someone made a good romance story with a dominant yuri-type heroine and a uke-type male hero, I'd love it. But nothing even close to that exists.

I used to feel really frustrated about this few years ago but nowadays I'm pretty apathetic. Just wish there was less romance in general.

>>2238681
bruh
yuri made me turn into a fucking dyke

>>2254597
>I'm straight too.
No, you're not.

>straight men browse /u/, it's completely normal
>straight girl browses /u/, she must be a lesbodyke

i sexually identify as attack helicopter and i'm browsing /u/ right now

>>2254615
Fucking Apache get with an f-15 then we'll talk

>>2254615
I mean...I'm not the one saying they're lesbians, or anything. But you do realize the problem in your logic, right?

>>2254617
>assuming i'm an ameriburger heli
sorry to disappoint you fampai, but i identify as mi-24 and i have every right to cheeki breeki your day

>>2254615
It's pretty fucking gay, sister.

And despite what /fit/ may claim, a dude being into /y/ would be pretty fucking gay too.

>>2254644
but anon, most lesbos are into /y/ stuff

>And despite what /r9k/ may claim, a dude being into traps would be pretty fucking gay too.

ftfy

>>2239443
I agree. I'm tired of all this forced romance on everything.

>>2254603
Me too.

Don't forget to report the thread

>>2254647
>most
I know some are, and I find it deeply strange, but most is really a stretch.

>>2254647
A better point would be that supposedly the usual target demographic for yuri is straight women.

>>2254671
>the usual target demographic for yuri is straight women.
Wow it's been a real long time since I've seen such a lie.

>>2254673
Who do you think the main demographic is then?

Everything I have seen regarding readership of yuri magazines has always showed them being targeted towards and read more by females.

>>2254647
>>2254675
Yuri is directed for women, both het and les it seems. It is just interesting when "het" women also like yuri. They are there just like the male fans. Whether they are deeply lesbian is a whole another topic.

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>>2254597
I see too many times before a girl stating her straightness while watch/read yuri and, some months later, learning about her first affairs with other girls

>>2254684
>directed
We aren't talking about Jav stuff. You can use the word authored.

>>2254671
"straight" women

>>2254647
>most lesbos are into /y/ stuff
Absolutely wrong. I don't know who told you that, but it's completely incorrect. Bi girls are more inclined to like both.

>>2254836
I've seen some SJW lesbians fawning over that yaoi on ice thing. I think their reason was "I must praise all LGBT representation". Funny thing these same people complained yuri was aimed at straight guys (so it is fetish, blah blah)...ignoring the fact that yaoi is aimed at straight girls (including that yaoi on ice shit)

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>>2238278
>>2254597

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Managed to reach a whole new level
I still find het strangely disgusting and like things need more lesbians.
But if we actually got lesbians there, all I feel is... sadness and depression because 'Gay is a dead end', meaning that even if they are gay now, 'tis but a question of time before they go back to being straight. Worst part is, this assumption/realisation is ever present