Madoka Magica OT3 Edition

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>>2183354
Mami's bust seems to have caused an existential crisis.

>>2183358
As expected of breasts!

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>>2183358

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I pair the spare with the OTP.

>>2183351
Why is Team Traffic Light the best ot3 and the one with the most interesting dynamic? TDS really sold me on it.

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>>2183482
I feel the same way.

There are a lot of people who pair KyouMami or KyouSaya, but SayaMami really grew on me after reading TDS as well as SayaMamiKyou.

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>>2183487
I think I remember like two pieces of official art that had Sayaka and Mami closer than normal (one had Sayaka resting her head on Mami's mammies and there was a recent-ish one where her hand was laying there instead). Not to mention pic related.

But besides that, I do like how they explored a little into the hero-worship/jaded mentor angle. How they both handle their wishes under the guise of justice and selflessness but in actuality were made for entirely selfish reasoning.

KyouSaya used to be my OTP, then it kinda fell to the wayside for MamiSaya, and now I just ship all of the justice trio together.

Plus I'm a sucker for "taller, enthusiastic kouhai/shorter, mature senpai" pairings.

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>>2183487
Mm, agreed. I also enjoy Mami acting as a kind of mediator.

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Mami is fine with her loli

Do we have specific ship names other than <halfname><halfname>?

>>2183631
Well, there's OTP for MadoHomu.

>>2183631
MadoHomu: Yin-yang, OTP
KyouSaya: Appleberry
MamiNagi: cheese cake
KyouMami: ketchup n mustard
HomuSaya: autism

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KFC ships MadoHomu.

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>>2183683
HomuKyou: Barbecue sauce.

>>2183683
Change KyouMami to McDonald's.

And maybe HomuSaya to Black and Blue.

>>2183730
HomuSaya should just be called bait desu. The ardent KyouMami shipper at least buys doujinshi for her ship.

>>2183759
I never really understood the appeal of a hatefuck.

>>2183761
You'd have to be into rough sex.
For a domination scenario, it adds an extra layer if a certain girl is being domed by someone she legitimately doesn't like. b-but it feels so good! mmmmnnn~ I can't let her hear my voice! I can't let her know how good it feels!

>>2183776
Well, I guess that means my vanillafaggotry is showing, then.

>>2183724
Nice.

>>2183944
Nah I don't feel like going

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>>2183949
I didn't even make this thread but it's more popular than the other one.
This thread is fun, the other one is full of the same boring shit.

>>2183963
Anon don't reply to the autist. He's just got a stick up his ass along with a few bugs about the op image.

>>2183988
Actually it's 11.30am here.

>>2183988
>convective
We got a serious customer here.

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>>2184039
Only in your mind.

>>2183476
But she's not a spare anymore since Rebellion.

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>>2184046
That's right.

did anyone save that little translated comic from the other madoka thread? Why the heck was the other one deleted in the first place?

>>2184124
I uploaded it and can upload it again later. If anyone was wondering the source, it was a short from the Maitake 2012-2013, which I can also post a link to later.

>Why the heck was the other one deleted in the first place?
Because the bait poster posted his thread first. Man I hate ACK as much as the next nee-san, but it's pretty obvious we have an autistic crack poster who is doing nothing but provoking him with similar canned responses.

>>2184128
Stop being so salty.
People can ship whoever the fuck they want.

>>2184201
I only ship KyouSaya and I like McDonalds

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Could've used a better font.

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>>2184366

>>2184365
I agree, but I literally use a Taiwanese photo editing app to do these on my tablet.

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>>2183351

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When does the movie come out?

>>2184628

Unknown.

>>2184628
For future reference

>Kirara Magica: 2nd week of December
>Madogatari 12/22/16-12/25/16
>Kizu 3 Premiere January 1/6/17
>Kirara Magica 2nd week of February

It's best to ask around those days as they will be the most likely times for Shaft to make announcements about the new movie.

>madoka is a deconstruction of magical girl genre
What did they mean by this? Is this kino?

>>2184365
>>2184366
>>2184367
anyone knows the source?

>>2184685
http://dropbooks.tv/smart/detail/tKtpiP2z4z

>>2184367
>3 million years
All right, at this point, she's just doing it because all of those unsuccessful cycles gave her a hardcore denial kink...

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>>2184703
Madoka would have raped (consensual) her at that point.

is this board the source of the autism plaguing the madoka threads

ive traveled long and far to seek the answers

why are madoka threads filled with literally insane tripfags

one time i saw a guy argue with himself and delete his own posts

what the fuck man

also kyousaya best ship

>>2184715
No, anime spawns it's own autism. Thinking otherwise is folly, just accept it draws autists.

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ACK-kun also shows up in Vocaloid threads on /jp/, where the target of his hate is the sexualization of the Vocaloids.

I almost admire his Paladin-like dedication to eradicating what he thinks is evil. Although he's more like Don Quixote than anything.

>>2184735
>thinking one person is an entire thread
Please neck yourself

>>2184735
I don't have a problem with noncanon ships. I have 4 outside of my OTP for this series alone. I just think it's obvious when anons are enjoying their favorite crackship or guilty pleasure and when someone is trying to provoke and engage you know who.

Alrighty, back on topic.

Was it ever explicitly stated whether or not the Incubators were a hive mind? I figure the very fact that QB said that some could be thought to have emotions/mental illnesses implied that they all had their own minds, even if they worked closely and towards a specific goal

>>2184755
Makes sense, could be that they all originated from something with a singular purpose before adapting to the environment while still trying to fulfill the goal.

>>2184755
That could simply mean emotions would be the result of being "disconnected" from the hivemind, making it an actual birth defect by Incubator standards. Not that we know how Incubators reproduce anyways.

>>2184755

Hive mind. He states that they don't process things on an individual level. When he said mental illness, I think it was more along the lines of defective than anything. I doubt Incubators have a caring mental healthcare system.

>>2184755
I personally theorize that the Incubator race is not a species, but a single entity inhabiting many bodies.

>>2184776
>>2184755
Rebellion confirmed that incubator is hive mind.

>>2183631
The nips have UltimEvil (AruAku) specifically for Madokami/Akuhomu, off the top of my head.

>>2184367
I believe the only reason Homura became a devil is because she read some stuff on being the dominant partner and being forceful with them.

And then things went cray.

>>2185010
Got the nip for that? I can type it in hiragana but if its kanji I'm fucked

>>2185189
Yeah sis, アル悪

>>2185216
You're the best.

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>>2183487
>>2183503
The lack of love for MamiSaya is a little disappointing.

>Plus I'm a sucker for "taller, enthusiastic kouhai/shorter, mature senpai" pairings

You and me both sis.

>>2185660
Mami doesn't like old hags.

>>2185660
Boring. HomuSaya is way more interesting.
That's not to say it's good however. All crack pairs are trash.

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I never get tired of these two

>>2185703
Same, despite how wrong it is.

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>>2185661
Sayaka isn't an old hag though.

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https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Episode_10
>The episode 10 commentary has only Aoi Yuuki and Chiwa Saitou, the seiyuu for Madoka and Homura.
>And then the opening comes up! Saitou says that for the first time in her life, she really wanted to sing! She even asked the producer "I want to sing Connect!" but Iwakami told her "No, that's alright, Saitou"
It's her song. I want Homuhomu to sing

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>>2185661
However, I wish OL and Mami got more stuff.

>>2185768
Nagisa pretty much killed it for Ayanero to ever produce such content again.

Cheesecake is the superior Mami pair.

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>>2185769
>Cheesecake is the superior Mami pair.
Seems to get the least attention though

>>2185881
Because most people arnt dirty stinkin petophilias, yah hear?

>>2185996
Not even a huge gap between honestly.
MamiNagi is at it's best when fluff.

>>2185749
That's extremely disappointing. I'd love to have heard based Chiwa sing Connect

>>2185768
Definitely. The Christmas Witch is one of my favorite Madoka doujins ever.
>>2185996
This is 4chan, we're all pedos here. And Mami is underage too, anyway.

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>>2185996
Don't bully Mami

>>2185749
Fuck that Homu skirt is cute

>>2185996
Do you know where you are? Every girl on /u/ is a registered sex offender, sis.

>>2186093
She has her own personal lolly who she can do whatever she wants with. A little bullying as a trade off isn't such a bad deal.

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>>2185719
I like it because it so wrong

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>>2186425
Loli's are for sharing.

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Why is she such a natural sub?

>>2186481
Because Madoka with confidence is just that good.

>>2186481
Madoka is just such a natural dom. You can thank her mom for that.

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>>2186481
I guess that question warrants me reposting pic related.

>>2186657
>Madoka threads have not been about Madoka in almost two whole years.
I've had some pretty good conversations about the show within the time frame. Just don't indulge either side.

>>2186657
Maybe quit treating it like it's a thread derailer and it won't derail threads. Also Madoka threads have had Madoka in them, so your complaints weak.

>>2186669
>Actual discussion
To be fair, everything that can be talked about has been talked about. We've analysed the concept movie, we've discussed what the future might bring, and right now we're stuck in an idle waiting mode where nothing useful can really happen.

And not many good doujins are coming out lately anyway. I guess I want to see the latest Lovely Girls' Lily but that's about it.

>>2186669
Anon you can just continue playing dumb while making it obvious you don't truly care about thread quality with this meta whining. Since you want to whine, why not leave the thread. It would work better being slow.

>>2186675
Don't forget that we've shittalked Wraith Arc, as well.

Stop replying to him. You should all recognize the way he writes by now

>>2186669
>complaining about Madoka threads being worse and worse
You are not really helping to it, and also, somebody already explained, Madoka didn't get any new material.

>>2186792
And we're going to shit talked it even harder when the English translation for 9 is released.

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I was reading the third volume of Tarte when this scene appeared, someone who read the next volumes can explain why Corbeau does not recognize the Kyubey?

>>2187824
Kaname fucking Madoka anon, calm yourself.

>>2185769
Ayanero is too mellowed out these days. They never do unhinged Mami anymore, and they haven't really done any lewd MamiNagi.

>>2188434
To be fair, she rarely does Mami at all these days.

>>2189355
???

I think you got the wrong thread.

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Here is the artists pixiv page
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=211530

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He is also the artist for this lovely doujin which is translated here on Danbooru

http://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/11033

>>2189418
Thank you so much for this one! I was already considering buying it on pay day.

Thanks scanon!

>>2189310
That's a real shame.

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>>2189443
God I love lewd sensual MadoHomu

>>2189436
Seeing Madoka cry makes me feel sad.

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>>2189455
Really? Cuz it gets me wet.

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>>2189455
Yeah, this artist doesn't really do 'happy' stories, as cute as his other stuff is on Twitter.

>>2189418
What's the story in this?

>>2189443
I like seeing Homu being loved.
It gives me catharsis

>>2189452
For some reason dominate Madoka is incredibly hot.

>>2189480
Looks like it's post rebellion, aside from that I'm not really sure but Madoka looks kind of sad.

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>>2189497
We need more. There simply is not enough MaDOMka in the world.

>>2189497
because Madoka with confidence is really hot, and flashbacks show that it's the sort of state the relationship is meant to be in.

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>>2189503
>and flashbacks show that it's the sort of state the relationship is meant to be in.
I really hope we get to see more of First Timeline-esque Madoka at some point.

She was confident, charming, still just as kind, almost motherly, and overall felt very competent. What she became was fine - it made sense thanks to what happened and works well with how Homu and the series was set up, but boy do I want to see more confident Madoka.

>>2189480
>>2189498
Used GIT for this summary. After telling her she betrayed her, Homura says she'll do anything for Madoka to make up for it. Madoka is too afraid to tell her what she wants due to a fear of rejection and out of a guilt, she stays with Homura. Homura is mostly asking if Madoka views being with her as punishment. Even though they love each other and physically closer than ever, their hearts are distant.

>>2189500
Its funny. I don't really like Madohomu that much. Dont hate it either. but madohomu with dom madoka is hot as fuck.

>>2189500
I don't particularly like S Madoka, I think she should behave like >>2189510

>>2189549
This. Madoka is dominant, not sadistic.

>>2189559
And the converse of that: Homura is not a masochist, she's just hellbent on pleasing Madoka.

Also, could anyone provide a gif or webm of the boat scene in Rebellion?

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The gang meets up to go play the king game; KyouSaya shenanigans ensues.

https://www.mediafire.com/?c7b843d3tdrwn5w

11/29/16 - extended

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If you get the plush accessory in Pachislot 2, the girls will wear a Madoka plush on their head.

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>>2190354
But if you put it one Madoka, she'll wear a Madoka plush on her head. I don't know why they wear it on their head, but it is absolutely adorable.

>>2190357
*But if you put it on Madoka, she'll wear a Homura plush on her head.

>>2190183
Thanks scanon!

>>2190357
I love casual references to Madoka's immense Homusexuality.

>>2190514
At this point, Shaft seems intent on making Madoka the gayest of the sextet.

>>2190602
As it should be.

>>2190602
>Homura literally recreates the universe for love

Madoka is the second gayest, though

>>2190604
True, but in an unconventional sense. Homura has an esoteric kind of gay, an existential need to support her beloved. Madoka is more straight-up gay (excuse the oxymoron) to a profound degree.

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>>2190614
Pink is lewd after all.

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>>2190614
These two need to fuck already.

On an unrelated note, how do glasses work in Homuverse?

>>2190614
Homura probably has not had an orgasm since she began looping the timelines.

This should be the plot of a doujin

>>2190630
>Spending almost 12 years without an orgasm while constantly seeing the girl you love

Homura has got tot have a sponge in her panties - otherwise they'd be soaked.

>>2190630
She probably has a spontaneous orgasm everytime she thinks about how Madoka is going to punish her for being a bad girl.

>>2190635
but she keeps seeing her get killed, so it must balance out

>>2190630
>>2190635
More like she can't orgasm. PTSD and depression both can kill your libido.

Now that could be a potentially cute doujin-- Homura apologetizing to Madoka that she can't climax despite their best efforts, Madoka optimistically trying new things to get her off.

>>2190648
Homura's a pure girl, so I doubt it's this but hey, some people get off on that.

Now what I was picturing was this: we know that Homu has some deeply ingrained self-esteem issues, especially post-Rebellion. Who can say that she doesn't get to the edge and stop herself, because she doesn't think she is fit to/doesn't deserve to orgasm thanks to how much she's failed Madoka?
>Plays with herself
>Close to the end
>Undercuts herself, thinks of all that she's failed
>Can't finish.


>>2190649
>Now that could be a potentially cute doujin-- Homura apologetizing to Madoka that she can't climax despite their best efforts, Madoka optimistically trying new things to get her off.
Much cuter than what I was thinking
fanfic material too, perhaps

>>2190651
Between stealing from the military, tracking Kyubey's movements, stocking up on grief seeds, strategizing, attending school, and flipping her hair, I don't think she'd have time to even attempt to masturbate, especially if she'd be unable to finish. After all, she doesn't deserve that pleasure, not while Madoka is still in danger.

>>2190656
While I do agree with you, let's play Akuma's Advocate.

She's got literal time powers - the reset she can only use once a month, but the time stop is limitless in uses and lasts for a good amount of time.

She's got all the time in the world to brood, if the mood struck her, or to edge and not finish because she "doesn't deserve it". Timestop powers + incredibly low self-esteem/a bad self-image + the desire to pile on self-criticism/suffering (as we've seen from Homu) = some pretty sad timestop bouts of depression.

>>2190665
Would be awfully wasteful of magic, though. It's not explicitly stated, but I imagine that maintaining her timestop requires a constant usage of magic. Otherwise, she would probably be more liberal with its usage.

>>2190666
>It's not explicitly stated, but I imagine that maintaining her timestop requires a constant usage of magic. Otherwise, she would probably be more liberal with its usage.
Agreed, although I took her lack of use as an obfuscating activity to hide her true power from each time-line's Kyuubey. I'm sure there's some magical limit to it, but I think the power-hiding is part of it too.

>>2190897
In most cases, the risk of Kyubey finding out would be rather low. Unless she's being directly observed and studied, there's little chance he'd suddenly find out the nature of her abilities. Although I wouldn't say you're wrong, just that it's a relatively minor concern.

>>2190926
Not that anon, but it's a primary concern. If he knows she time travels, he adjust his tactics accordingly. It's why his set of tactics changed once he realized she was a time traveler in episode 8 and how he was able to destroy her will in episode 11. Hell, that was even the plot of Homura's Revenge.

Also the risk of Kyubey finding out is high. He recognises Homura as an anomoly and I get the feeling incubators dont like not knowing things so he would be paying close attention to (studying) her.

>>2190947
Yep. I mean just from the ramblings of a "delusion" girl, he managed to craft a plot to capture god.

>>2190955
Homura isn't delusional or rambling. She told it everything in a logical and calm way.

I like to think she did it out of an unconscious desire to have it destroy Madoka's system.

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>>2190962
Considering we literally only hear the tail end of the conversation where he calls it nonsense, that's a huge stretch. Not to mention that she is horrified by the implication that it was her fault that Kyubey could act against Madoka in Rebellion.

>>2190656
Probably the closest entertainment she had was researching the various sorts of subjects to prepare against Walpurgisnacht, which I imagine must have been interesting.

>>2190930
Not really; his very existence is detrimental to Homura's plans, regardless of whether or not he is in the know. Sure, he encourages Kyoko to go to her death, but she very likely would have done the same anyways. It certainly is disadvantageous to Homura if Kyubey finds out, but the reality is that it makes no difference-- she's doomed to lose anyways. And the premise of Homura's Revenge was interesting, but the execution was rather stupid.
>>2190947
Not really, considering that he invests most of his effort into following the other girls in order to convince them to make a contract. He never goes out of his way to scrutinize, in fact, the only reason he finds out is because Homura kills him in a very revealing manner.

>>2191001
If she lost any time before the final timeline, the earth would have irreversibly been destroyed. By revealing herself, Kyubey was able to come up with a plan to break Homura's will. It worked. The only reason anything is salvaged is due to Madoka knowing what happens to magical girls from that timeline. Had he succeeded in say, the previous timeline, the earth would just have been a desolate waste land.

>>2191023
Homura would have broken at some point regardless of Kyubey's influence. She was in an unwinnable situation. As you pointed out, Madoka's solution was completely accidental.

>>2191034
I guess why they made it painstakingly obvious that the idea that she was making Madoka's fate worse was the reason she was despairing. She would have legitimately gone on forever because she would have never despaired otherwise. Just repeat, get a grief seed, try again.

I'm reading my episode guide from the collector edition blurays, and it explicitly states:
>The thought that her actions are directly responsible for causing Madoka even more suffering fills Homura with despair, and her own soul gem begins to turn black.

>Madoka's solution was on accident
I never said it was accidental.

>>2191044
>She would have legitimately gone on forever because she would have never despaired otherwise.
That's unrealistic. She may have superhuman resolve, but the weight of her failures was bound to break her at some point.

>I never said it was accidental.
It was, though. Kyubey's intent was to have her turn witch, and Homura's intent was to prevent the contract altogether.

>>2191052
She outright states she won't give up and had already been at it for 12 years. Just reset, grief seed, it's all for Madoka. We saw this in Rebellion too. She only cracks because Kyubey reveals she's hurting Madoka's and making her fate worse. Because this is the story we were told and the on we saw on screen, anything else is frivilous specilation.

Madoka's wish wasn't an accident because it required every single event fromt he series to occur. It never happened in any previous timeline and wouldn't have happened in any future timeline had the events of the series not proceeded as they did.

>>2191054
She also outright states that she will not permit Madoka to make a contract, and fails that. She was never psychologically healthy to begin with and her reiterations very explicitly exacerbate that by magnitudes. Yes, the realization that her wish was causing a global apocalypse did accelerate her despair, but that endpoint was inevitable regardless of the path taken, until Madoka broke the cycle. Homura does not have the infinite sanity and hope required to fail forever.

I also got the impression that Madoka rushing to Homura's side gave her a sort of second wind, that she would have staved off despair so that she could continue her fight, at least temporarily, if Madoka had not broken the cycle.

Madoka's wish has three conditions:
1) Accumulation of karma via timeline reset
2) Madoka knows the full truth about magical girls
3) Madoka has not made a contract until Homura fails to defeat Walpurgisnacht

1 is given after so many timelines. Just as turning Madoka into a planet-destroying witch was an accident on Homura's part, turning her into a physical law was, as well. 2 is actively worked against by both Kyubey and Homura. Kyubey's modus operandi is deception to make his contract attractive. Homura's reasons are twofold-- ignorance is bliss, and preventing Madoka's self-sacrificial nature from dooming her.
3 is circumstantial. Kyubey wants Madoka to contract immediately. Homura wants to prevent it altogether. In cases where 3 is fulfilled without 2, she simply contracts to save Homura, and ends up a witch, which is an acceptable result for Kyubey but not Homura.

When I say Madoka's wish is accidental, I mean that there is no intention to engineer its occurrence, or even the conditions that preclude its occurrence. It happens as a result of unintended consequences on both Homura's and Kyubey's parts.

>>2191069
Okay, but Im saying it's a major concern of her's to hide her time travel ability. You are saying this is a minor concern. I'm stating that Kyubey discovering her time traveling ability early on (atleast a few days before Walpurgisnacht and before Sayaka became a witch) is what gave him the ability to break Homura's will. That is fact. You stated that she would have broken at some later point. While this is possible, it is not what we saw in the series.

On Kyubey's end, he is passive in regard to Homura because he does not have the knowledge to act. When she gives him that knowledge he needs, he immediately goes for the throat by crushing her spirit.

On Homura's end. she goes out of her way to hide her time stop ability up until episode 8 when it's revealed she's a time traveler. We can infer then that she's gone to lengths to hide her time manipulation ability from Kyubey as long as she can. Considering she doesn't attempt to use it outright (even going as far as usuing an energy blast in the 1st episode) and goes to lengths to ensure he doesn't figure it out, we can infer that it is a not a small concern to hide that ability and we are shown that the consequences of him finding out are fatal.

>>2191077
Yeah, kind of went off on a tangent there.

When I say "minor concern" I mean "less of an imminent threat" specifically in comparison to the danger of overusing magic. Homura knows that overusing magic will cause her to end up as a witch. She knows that keeping her abilities secret is advantageous, but doesn't assume Kyubey would be able to doom her if he knew the whole truth. Furthermore, unless she's directly confronting Kyubey, the risk of being found out is low.

So to take it back to the original statement, Homura is conservative in using her time magic primarily because she needs to keep her magical energy levels high, and secondarily because keeping it hidden gives her an advantage over opposition.

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>>2191090
Yeah, looks like we were just qualifying things differently.

General
Tamura shits on Mami pretty hard.

>>2190973
uuuhhg, the world needs more twintail Homu...
Too cute...

>>2191182
It creeps me the fuck out to see her drawn like that. Especially in the panel when she meets Madoka's family when she's wearing that dress. It just looks so wrong.

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>>2191198
Hanokage shouldn't have retconned it out of Wraith Arc. Interestingly, it's Homura's only 'canon' non-school outfit.

>>2191209
It kind of looks based on Madoka's magical girl outfit.

>>2191213
It's Madoka's hair style too. The manga drills in the whole 'inhereited Madoka's will' thing way harder than the series.

>>2190955
You completely misunderstood rebellion. They only tried to observe law of cycles in action and failed even to do it. Controlling it was just Homura's delusion which is completely impossible for them.

>>2191305
They admitted that after they realized she was real, they did want to control her because the witch cycle was appealing to them.

>>2191323
They may wanted it, but it they didn't know if they could. Madoka can protect herself easily as you see later. And if you look deeper, you will understand that Homura was only chance to make this experiment work.

>>2191305
>>2191347
I think you're the one who "misunderstood" Rebellion. Kyubey's entire reason for doing it was to control the LoC and he based hos experiement on Homura's ramblings at the end of the seires, He flat out states: if we can observe it, we can interfere with it, if we can interfere with it, we can control it. That was his intention.

>And if you look deeper, you will understand that Homura was only chance to make this experiment work.
Mami and Kyouko saw Madoka and recognized her as the Law of Cycles. He would just keep doing it until he succeeded.

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>>2191347
>And if you look deeper, you will understand that Homura was only chance to make this experiment work
Nah, QB would just do what >>2191391 said. I think that scene is too focused just to be an innocent scene. Mami and Kyouko observing and discussing Madoka heavily implied that Kyubey would just tried it on them next, only this time he'd account for those errors. Homura may have done wrong in regard to Madoka, but BTFOing bunny cat was 100% the right thing to do.

>>2191209
The pigtails and Madoka dress is a little on the creepy side of things. Pigtails with her MG costume is great though.

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>>2191391
>>2191447
You underestimate Madokami very much. She is still omnipotent and could easily deal with qb by herself if she needed to.

>>2191512
>You underestimate Madokami very much
Nah, I actually watched the series and Rebellion. You might also want to rewatch that because that was a combo attack with Homura.

>She is still omnipotent
>Incapable of freeing Homura without a convoluted plan that indirectly results in driving Homura even crazier
>Gets BTFOd by a dying magical girl

Omnipresent =/= omnipotent. She's not even show to be omniscient. She's the Japanese idea of a god. She's limited in what she can actually do and even to magical girls, she's an intangible law of the universe that prevents them from despairing.

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My heart broke for Homura here.

>>2191533
Homura shows no limits, there is no reason to think that Madokami can't do anything. She simply follows law of cycles and doesn't interfere into anything else. As you saw she killed all incubators around in the end only when it was really necessary.

>>2191748
>Homura shows no limits
She has plenty. She wouldn't be dying at the start of Rebellion or having her power hang by a thread at the end of it.

>there is no reason to think that Madokami can't do anything.
Actual plot points and dialogue state she can only purify witches, but please feel free to speculate on the power of Madokami in the face of actual facts. This almighty god can't even do anything about the wraiths or a simple task like give her special friend hope so she doesn't go insane.

>As you saw she killed all incubators around in the end only when it was really necessary.
Killing Incubators is stated in canon to be a waste of time because they're functionally immortal. And considering that wasn't even Madokami who did that, I don't know how you use this as an example of her strength when it was obviously Madoka and Homura who did this.

>>2191750
>She has plenty. She wouldn't be dying at the start of Rebellion or having her power hang by a thread at the end of it.
I'm talking about devil Homura. She literally shows godlike powers, but possibility of losing to Madokami is natural for her.
>Actual plot points and dialogue state she can only purify witches, but please feel free to speculate on the power of Madokami in the face of actual facts. This almighty god can't even do anything about the wraiths or a simple task like give her special friend hope so she doesn't go insane.
If Madokami is materialized, she looks like she is free to act. She doesn't show anything except blowing Gretchen, but it doesn't mean she can't, because Homura can. The problem is that she doesn't interfere because it can lead to much worse results. Destroying wraiths would destroy the planet as it was stated in wraith arc.

>>2191771
>I'm talking about devil Homura. She literally shows godlike powers, but possibility of losing to Madokami is natural for her.

Devil Homura is in a witch barrier. You even see it cover most of the universe when she become the devil. That's the only reason she controls things. I'd go as far to say Madokami can't do shit to Homura. She's not based in grief and her love already surpassed Madoka's hope.

>If Madokami is materialized, she looks like she is free to act.
She was within the confines of the isolation field. Shinbo's mentioned this. At the same time, she only arrived to purify grief, which she was attempting before she got split.

>She doesn't show anything except blowing Gretchen, but it doesn't mean she can't, because Homura can.

Destroying Gretchen is what eliminated her existence because it was destroying herself. This is why her farewell occurs after that scene and not before.The reason why Homura can materialize is because she's in her own barrier.

>The problem is that she doesn't interfere because it can lead to much worse results.

Nice head canon. Got anything to back it up? Because in canon it's stated she won't be able to interact with anyone or exercise free will.

>Destroying wraiths would destroy the planet as it was stated in wraith arc.

Destroying wraiths is literally what magical girls exist to do in the Madoka's universe. Considering Homura called on Madoka's power and it couldn't even hurt the big wraith, it's questionable how much power she has outside of her wish to purify grief. And once again, she doesn't do anything to help Homura during the events of Wraith Arc except for one part at the very end, after humanity is already destroyed.

>>2191813
It's not a witch barrier. It was the process of rewriting the universe. And It is shown as absolutely normal universe after. Maybe it's not normal, but it's not witch barrier at all. Everything else is your headcanon, so arguing is pointless till further information

My first point is that QB is not a threat to Madokami which is confirmed by butcher
>Urobuchi: Kyubey hasn’t changed since I wrote the TV series. The only thing is that they’re not an all-powerful entity anymore. They’re just an alien, so there’s no way they can compete with a god.

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>>2191833
>It's not a witch barrier. It was the process of rewriting the universe
It's literally her just redoing the movie. Watch the scene. Her barrier covers the universe. And just like in the movie you watched, Homura is present as an individual despite being a demon.

>And It is shown as absolutely normal universe after.
Witches, Sayaka, Nagisa, and familiars imply otherwise. She states that she drew them in by accident. Her subconscious mind, just like in the movie you watched, pulled all of them into her new barrier.

>but it's not witch barrier at all.
We see her gem break and encompass the universe. It's functionally the same. You even see the Mami head shattering part of it in the concept movie. Even if my argument isn't 100% sound, it's supported by actual evidence rather than "Madokami doesn't materialize, but she can!"

>My first point is that QB is not a threat to Madokami which is confirmed by butcher
That quote only links to live journal and contrasts with Shinbo's quote on wanting a Kyubey resurging (as implied by the concept movie).

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>>2191845
That is before her transformation. After that it looks fine. It is more likely a universe affected by her barrier.
>That quote only links to live journal and contrasts with Shinbo's quote on wanting a Kyubey resurging (as implied by the concept movie).
That would be a terrible move. I hope Rebellion will remain as ending.

>>2191863
>After that it looks fine.
Minus the familiars, witches, claras, dead people etc it's completely the same! It's exactly like the false Mitakihara.
>That would be a terrible move
It would be the appropriate one. They're both ultimately fighting against him in the end and BTFOing him together would be the only true end.

>>2191875
It's like false Mitakihara, but it's not false anymore - one of the references to Nutcracker where the dream became real.
QB is already BTFOed. Making him antagonist again is really bad writing, they would never do it even without Urobuchi.

>>2191553
>There
>not the time travel reveal episode
>not the episode just before that (?) when Homura breaks down and cries and asks Madoka why she just won't stay away from qb.

That was the goddamn saddest thing I ever watched

Homura did it because it's better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven. All this incubator stuff is made up by fans to apologize her actions.

>>2191883
Those scenes too, but here it just reinforced her not feeling worthy of Madoka.

>>2191902
Bait harder.

>>2191881
>It's like false Mitakihara, but it's not false anymore - one of the references to Nutcracker where the dream became real.
False memories, false world, false lives etc. It's all false and on the brink of collapse.

>QB is already BTFOed. Making him antagonist again is really bad writing, they would never do it even without Urobuchi.
He was BTFOed at the end of the series too. That didn't last long at all. He hasn't repented at all either. He's always manipulative and scheming.

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>>2191833
>>2191845
>In this movie, Kyubey performs their proper duties again. What is Kyubey to you, Urobuchi-san?
>Urobuchi: Kyubey hasn’t changed since I wrote the TV series. The only thing is that they’re not an all-powerful entity anymore. They’re just an alien, so there’s no way they can compete with a god.
Urobuchi is refering to Kyubey's role in the story, not his relationship to Madoka in Rebellion. I think that quote was more about his hubris and fate in the story in messing with powers he couldn't fathom.
>There's no doubt now. Trying to put human emotions to use is just too dangerous for us. We could never hope to control something whose final form is so irrational.
I don't think Urobuchi was necessarily referring to Madokami.

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>>2191920
When you alter reality itself on a universal scale, it no longer qualifies as false. It's redefinition. Homura's reality is a new truth, in the same manner that the Law of Cycles was. The difference is that the Law of Cycles only affects specific entities (magical girls on the brink of despair) whereas Homura can influence a much larger set of entities within reality. Homura is not omnipotent, and we do not know the full extent of her power, but it's obviously much greater in scale than Madoka's. Also, "on the brink of collapse" is speculative. Homura is unhappy, but that does not necessarily indicate that her reality is inherently unstable. It's likely another force that will act which will cause conflict, and as suggested, that force may very well be Kyubey.

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Homura did everything right

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>>2192114
This used to be a meme, but with how shit Madoka's world was in Wraith Arc, (even as a Homufag) I think we may have actually pulled some meme magic.

>>2191978
He only wants to see terrible things happen to them

>>2192144
>Kyubey appears as the true culprit behind this movie’s events too. Shinbo, you seem like a big Kyubey fan.
>Shinbo: I’m such a Kyubey supporter, I wanted to subtitle this movie “Incubator Strikes Back”. What’s so bad about Kyubey? I think Kyubey is always in the right.
>Kyubey, who you could say was the mastermind of the story since the TV series, has been reduced to a complete wreck.
>Shinbo: Well, it does seem as if he's been defeated by Homura, but personally, I hope he doesn't surrender! After all, even if Kyubey dies, there's plenty more of him.

Sometimes I think Shinbo just uses Urobuchi as a scapegoat.

>>2192138
But, as a Homufag, I don't want her to be entirely right. A major point of her appeal as a character is her moral ambiguity, which Wraith Arc completely destroys. The meme should remain a meme.

>>2192152
That's what I meant. Even as a Homufag, I'm not comfortable with the idea of her doing everything right because even she knows she didn't.

>>2192151
Not really, I would think that Shinbo does have a point, while Kyubey is far from innocent of the matter the truth is that it's largely doing everything that it has done before.
I have sated before that Kyubey is notable ruthless when it come to the end result, which is it's planetary energy quota. ANYTHING that assists in completing that in far game. And if little girls suffer in the previous system, it matters little... it is a cold matter of logic to that race.

>>2191967
>There's no doubt now. Trying to put human emotions to use is just too dangerous for us. We could never hope to control something whose final form is so irrational.
Both really, Madoka is so selfless that it simple surpassed any logic that Kyubey can apply. The reverse is true for Homura, she is so selfish that is simply confounds the alien race's logic.

>>2191750
>This almighty god can't even do anything about the wraiths or a simple task like give her special friend hope so she doesn't go insane.

I think that is it more that fact that Madoka simply doesn't want to. She is, by the end, a universal constant but it is pretty clear that the world doesn't really change all that much in the rewrite. Her world was NEVER meant to be prefect.

>>2192290
>I think that is it more that fact that Madoka simply doesn't want to

It's not that she doesn't want to: she she can't.

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>>2191553
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>>2192289
>Both really, Madoka is so selfless that it simple surpassed any logic that Kyubey can apply.

Which one did Kyubey say this to? Which one caused an emotionless being to feel fear? Which one enslaved their race under her heel? Hint: it's not Madokami.

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>>2192470

>>2192289
The "I don't understand" was more of a gross underestimation of how much Homura was willing to sacrifice herself in order to prevent harm from coming to Madoka.

Kyubey's plan was predicated on the fact that Homura loved Madoka, who was supposedly the embodiment of the Law of Cycles. They were able to confirm the existence of Madoka as an individual through their experiment, but since Madoka had deliberately given off her memories, they were unable to act on Madoka as the Law of Cycles. They then assumed that Homura, under despair, would call out to Madoka to save her, in the same way that a dying human would *logically* call out to someone for help-- they were incapable of realizing the extent to which Homura would damn herself to protect Madoka, her willingness to bear eternal separation from her love. If anything, Kyubey grossly overestimated Homura's selfishness.

>>2192631
Yep. The actions one will do out of love are so irrational that Kyubey realized completely he fucked up by even attempting his little experiment. He can't fathom love because love itself makes one do things against their self-interests. Urobuchi had a blurb about 'love' in 2014 that basically stated he viewed it as something terrifying and illogical.

>>2192317
No, it's that she doesn't want to. By the end of the series she is effectively omnipotent, and she has destroyed almost everything about the old universe save for Homura herself, and rebuilds from scratch.
And yet, even with that power she doesn't even attempt to make the world perfect. Suffering, like it or not, doesn't end with the old universe. And given that it is about as much a part of the universe as she is, there is really no point in building something that goes against it. She just makes the universe somewhat more fair and tries to give magical girls more meaning to the end of the struggle.

There is a very good reason to why some look at the end of the series and equate that to finding religion. There is a lot to unpack with it.

>>2192479
It is Kyubey, that taunts her several times with the idea of godhood and power. When it turns out that she is more than willing to take that, Kyubey can't really do much and doesn't believe that she would. Kyubey make it a point to ask twice, I can't assume that was for nothing...
That being said, there is also something that few really notice, Kyubey is just a cog is a very elaborate machine. One that it oversees, but ultimately doesn't control. That is something that is highlighted by the end of the movie. Despite all it's scheming, Kyubey is effectively Madoka's bitch for the entirety of rebellion. There is nothing that she didn't counter for as far as Kyubey is concerned, and it is powerless to stop her.

Now Homura.... Homura is a completely different ballgame, one that Madoka is willingly blind too. Madoka thinks that she knows Homura, she doesn't.

>>2192669
>rebuilds from scratch
Explicitly false. She does not remake the universe from scratch; she retroactively introduces a single law of physics that has always been-- this is the maximum extent of her power. She is decidedly not omnipotent, else she would have been able to exist as an individual.

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>>2192673
Don't even bother. I realized it's Charlie or a troll pretending to be her. These are are recycled arguments.

>>2192631
There is that, but there is also the fact that there is ALOT of possession in Homura actions that defies explanation, and Kyubey is far from the only to to not understand any of that. It is just the most vocal.
I will be honest, I don't think that Homura can truly understand how possessive she is. Madoka is something of a large obsession to her, and she can't really do much to stop it. Madoka becoming a god and being unreachable (until rebellion at least), only makes that worse. She has a rather large gap in her identity that is utterly consumed with Madoka, without her, Homura struggles to fill that gap herself.

Sure that does mean that Madoka is everything to her, but there is good and bad with that when you factor in the fact that only Homura seems to want to define what Madoka's happiness is. She will not allow anything else, not Sayaka, not Mami, not Kyouko, not Nagisa, definitely not Kyubey. Not even Madoka herself, to define what is Madoka's happiness is. So long as she gets what she wants, it doesn't matter.

>>2192673
Really, that doesn't seem to jive with that happened.
>he retroactively introduces a single law of physics that has always been-- this is the maximum extent of her power.
That never happened, since there was no universe to introduce that law to. She destroyed that (mostly) and even then, Kyubey's isolation field would not have worked if that is the case. Since the law would have to apply even in isolation, you can't really be rid of something that is etched into the universe as a constant by isolating a piece of that universe.

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How do we feel about Ayane becoming a RWBYfag? I hope it's not the end of her Madoka doujinshi.

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>>2192683
Your argument for Homura being obssessed and possessive just makes the pairing hotter to be honest.

>>2192673
>She is decidedly not omnipotent, else she would have been able to exist as an individual.
She is able to exist as Madokami - her omnipotent god form.
After she destroyed Gretchen, universe was destroyed and reborn by her will.
She can easily destroy a universe with one blast like he did to gretchen, but why would she do it? She simply doesn't interfere, she represents law of cycles and that's all.
Madokami is nearly omnipotent, Homura's backstabbing doesn't make her useless like you think. Homura by herself is almost omnipotent and you clearly saw that. There is no reason to think that incarnation of hope is much weaker than love.

Where did all these Madokamifags come from? I've literally never heard anyone suggest Madokami was omnipotent? Is it all same fagging or retardation?

can we get some soul gem licking pictures?

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>>2192741
Used to have a really good one of Madoka licking Homura's soul gem, but this is all I have now.

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>>2192755

>>2192756
It's such a good fetish, but I rarely see it.

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>>2192763
>you will never get your soul licked by your cute girlfriend

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>>2192832
>You will never lick your own soul gem with your cute girlfriend

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>I'm sorry, Sayaka-chan!

>>2192694
Who is the other girl?

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>>2192840
Homura's unspoken inspiration

>>2192842
I thought she was from that miko show. I'm still relatively new to /u/ works - I haven't gotten around to watching that yet

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>>2192843
She is. By unspoken inspiration, I meant that it's asking way too much to believe that nobody at Shaft had ever heard of KnM.

>>2192849
Off topic, but I've been making my way through Mai-Hime and I haven't been able to continue because I reached the episode where the Student Council pres admits to the vice president that she kissed Natsuki. I have a terrible feeling that this will end terribly. Without spoilers, does it end well in Hime for those two? I heard things are better for them in Otome

>>2192853
Don't know nee-san. I haven't seen Mai-Hime, but I should probably do that too.

>>2192853
If memory serves me right, after you think everything is doomed, yes it does. Mai-Hime is a darker anime than Mai-Otome in my opinion, but don't worry.

Carry on.

>>2192698
>omnipotent

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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>>2192871
Don`t feed the troll/Tumblrina.

>>2192871
omnipotent means all-powerful
if she can create universe, that's pretty close

>>2192694
I guess.
I have a fondness of Yuno Gasai for the crazy extremes that she is more than willing to go through but that makes her no less dangerous to everyone around her or anything aside from being insane.

I have never really understood some Homura fan's willingness to overlook the fact that her obsession makes her deranged to some degree. There is no real love in her actions since she is the only one to define what happiness is to someone that she can barely (if at all) control.
Homura is no saint for simply allowing herself to objectify Madoka to such a degree that she is more of a thing to possess than a person.

The funny thing being, before this became abundantly clear for the character there was a lot to like with Homura. And I was a fan, but Rebellion... urked me for the profound changes in her character by playing most of her traits to the hilt.

>>2193107
>>>/http://thegospelofnagisa.tumblr.com/

>>2192698
If you consider this excerpt from Episode 12, it seems she does not know if Homura will remember her, so much so that she uses expressions like "maybe you'll still remember me", "I mean you never know, right" and "They might not happen all The time, but there's no doubt miracles can really happen", which indicates that she has no omnipotence or omnipotence.

Homura:
Madoka...
Is that what you want, even if I don't remember you ever again?
How am I gonna know you're there when I can't even feel you're standing next to me anymore?

Madoka:
Uh-uh.
It's a little soon to be giving up hope.
You managed to follow me all the way out here, didn't you?
Besides, even though you're going back to your world, maybe you'll still remember me.
I mean you never know, right.
You'll see, everything will be fine.
Just believe.

Homura:
Madoka...

Madoka:
We are magical girls, remember?
We make hopes and dreams come true.
They might not happen all the time, but there's no doubt miracles can really happen.
Don't you think?

Homura:
Madoka! Please don't go!

Madoka:
Sorry.
I've gotta go meet the others now.
I don't know when, but I will see you again, Homura.
Promise.
So, until then, take care of yourself, okay?

Homura:
Madoka!!

>>2193191
To go along with that: https://wiki.puella-magi.net/The_Beginning_Story:_Episode_12

The concept notes emphasis stuff like this.

>Mami: It means you must fight without pause throughout all timelines, past and future, for all eternity.
>Mami: It means you'll cease to exist as an individual. Death would be a kinder fate. You'll be firmly implanted in this universe as a concept - a principle that destroys Witches.

>Hyper-Ultimate Madoka fires a purification beam towards the Universe Witch that's swallowing Earth whole. Hit by tremendous power, the Universe Witch fades away with a world-shattering scream.

Gretchen was purified, not destroyed. That backs up that she doesn't have omnipotent power. She didn't destroy and recreate a universe, she just altered it by becoming a law, preventing Gretchen from being born.

>Kyubey: Not a single trace or memory of your life on Earth will remain here. Your existence has shifted onto a higher plane, and you remain only as a concept. No one can perceive you, and likewise, you cannot interact with anyone else. You... are no longer part of this universe.

All that emphasizes she's a conceptual law bound by a limiting contract., not an omnipotent YHWH/Jesus.

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>>2193209
>She didn't destroy and recreate a universe, she just altered it by becoming a law, preventing Gretchen from being born.
There was a brief moment where Homura wakes up in complete emptiness. So old universe with all her timelines is gone.
Also it's not Gretchen, it's ultimate despair. Madoka's omnipotence is still questionable. High plane of existance means exatly that.
And we saw in rebellion that he she can appear to others

>>2193246
>There was a brief moment where Homura wakes up in complete emptiness. So old universe with all her timelines is gone.
She negates a universe every time she resets. Kyubey says this and states the reason she's there was due to her time-space magic. She was taken to the conceptual realm due to her status as an anomoly and then dropped back into existence with no memories of the new universe. That void was the emptiness of the conceptual plane and Madoka losing her individuality to it.

>Also it's not Gretchen, it's ultimate despair.
Pendantic. Stated verbatim to be the despair born from the soul gem created by Madoka's wish. It's called the 'despair witch' in the same way Charlotte is called the 'sweets witch'. It's still Gretchen due to being born from Madoka's wish.

>Madoka's omnipotence is still questionable.
It's not. You're agruing with concept notes, storyboard, and actual quotes from the series.

>High plane of existance means exatly that.
That ascending to a higher plane makes her more like a bodhisattva. The Law of Cycles is a direct reference to the eternal cycle of life and death.

>And we saw in rebellion that he she can appear to others
Isolation field. It's been directly stated to be so.

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Omnipotent: having unlimited power; able to do anything.

Omnipresent: present everywhere at the same time.

Omniscient: knowing everything.

Of these, Madoka is only omnipresent. She states that she is everywhere and by being everywhere, she can see everything that has happened and will ever happen. This also jives with Rebellion: why is Madoka unable to foresee Homura's rebellion? Because she is not present to witness the events in the isolation field.

Capable of being subverted would means she is not omnipotent. The fact Homura is her dualistic opposite and is capable of opposing her means that Madokami is not all powerful. Additionally, Madoka was wary enough of Kyubey that she split her power and gave it to Sayaka and Nagisa. An omnipotent being would not need to go through such a ruse because they would never feel threatened by such a being. By being split, she also shows lack of omnipotence: an omnipotent being cannot be divided because an almighty/all powerful being is at all times an almighty/all powerful being.

Madoka is not omniscient because she cannot foresee events. She can only witness them. She is incapable of altering said events, though it can be assumed that events do not happen the same across timelines. The best argument against her omniscience is that she was incapable of knowing what would happen during and after the misadventure in the false Mitakihara. Sayaka specifically says things that infer that they were unsure if things would go wrong in the isolation field. Additionally, an omniscient being would know what Homura was going to do before she did it. Rather, Madoka reaches out to Homura, showing shock and surprise, menaing she did not see it coming.

Madoka fulfills the qualifications to be omnipresent and states herself that she is omnipresent. She does not state that she is omnipotent or omniscient and fails to meet the qualifications for either state of being.

>>2193271
>Isolation field. It's been directly stated to be so.
After that, before getting split. She appeared to Mami and Kyouko too who aren't supposed to die yet, so have no reason to see her. That makes an argument that she is just law of cycles absolutely invalid.
>>2193292
The problems with Homura might be Homura herself. We still don't know what her role is supposed to be in law of cycles. You still can't decline Homura's omnipotence because she almost is as it was shown in the end, but completely reject Madoka's.

>>2193292
>>2193325

I've always gone by the theory that Madoka's power is entirely limited by the scope of her wish. She wished to unmake all the witches, and so she exists across all of space and time related to that purpose alone. She isn't god like, she's just around a lot.

Homura's wish to protect Madoka was simply more powerful (in concept and scope). Homura perceived the law of cycles as being harmful to Madoka, and so rather than falling into despair and being erased by the law of cycles, her wish (and by extension, her nature as an anomaly) allows her to fall past despair and into the deep love that allows her to become Homucifer. The second Homura pushed past becoming a witch, Madoka's law of cycles powers were rendered completely useless, because her wish was about dealing with witches specifically.

In order for Homura's wish (protecting Madoka) to become true, she needed to be able to strike down the law of cycles, and so was elevated to a level of existence where she could do so. Thus the Homura able to alter existence to her will, although I still wouldn't call that omnipotence, because like Madoka's god-powers, it is bound to the logistics of a wish. She requires the incubators to help handle curses, because they aren't necessarily something that is threatening Madoka specifically--while she is able to simply yank Sayaka's link to the law of cycles and witch nature away from her, because Sayaka represent a potential threat to Madoka remaining detached from the law.

tl;dr I really don't think either one is omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient.

>>2193325
I'm not arguing Homura's omnipotence though and I can decline it. The fact she cant fully supress Madoka is proof she isn't omnipotent. As we've seen, she can alter aspects of reality and memory, but that's not omnipotence.

>>2193348
I 100% agree. I don't want to make it sound like I was arguing Homura is omnipotent, I'm just saying Madoka is not.

>>2193325
>That makes an argument that she is just law of cycles absolutely invalid.
She was still affected by the isolation field at that point. This is what Shinbo has stated when the issue was brought up. If we want to use an actual plot repoin to take it further, Nagisa and Sayaka revealed the power and secrets of the Law of Cycles to Mami and Kyouko in the barrier and isolation field.

>>2193355
>I'm not arguing Homura's omnipotence though and I can decline it. The fact she cant fully supress Madoka is proof she isn't omnipotent.
Homura's shown powers: time control, reality warping at universal level, memory manipulation - it's the most broken powers which makes you almost omnipotent. She can't completely control Madoka, because she is equivalent being.
>>2193366
Isolation field was already broken, you probably misunderstand something.

>>2193440
>Homura's shown powers: time control, reality warping at universal level, memory manipulation - it's the most broken powers which makes you almost omnipotent
>Most beloved character in the franchise is OP and gets bitchin powers
Imagine that.

You're arguing Madokami's omnipotence because Homura is OP. OP =/= omnipotent. Homura always had broken powers, but they aren't perfect. This is not a power level anime, so it doesn't matter what power Homura has because the drama is what moves the plot forward. If Homura truly is OP and can't be defeated in battle, then it's the drama that (as it always has been in this franchise) will move the plot forward.

>>2193445
Omnipotence is vague definition. True omnipotence by your defition can't be described or even imagined. Homura has shown enough to be considered as omnipotent character, so Madoka has to be too.

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>>2193453
>Omnipotence is vague definition.
You can't take a well defined word with philosophical connotations and redefine it to fit your argument. Neither are omnipotent and you yourself admit you have no clue what you're talking about.

Can omniscient God who
Knows the future, find
The omnipotence to
Change his future mind ?
-Karen Owens

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>>2193456
Their feet seem off.
Also, smugduck.

>>2193675
Didn't realize there was much /u/ between those two. Though it could just be due to me only looking for fanfiction.

hope they annoucnce sequel soon

>>2193680
More like there's just one very notable animation.

>>2194229
That's disappointing.

>Madoka is pregnant in the Beginnings ED
>Wraith Arc 9 talks about an existence being born from the naked space hug

MadoHomu baby when?

>>2195500
In a relationship like MadoHomu, gay science/magic babies are an interference. They're best confined to more normal romances.

>>2195762
They already have 14 kids though.

>>2195780
Semi-metaphysical projections of one's subconscious psyche don't count. Besides, Madoka had nothing to do with their generation.

>>2195500
>Madoka is pregnant in the Beginnings ED
Did I miss something?

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>>2195789
>Implying Madoka wouldn't treat them as her children
The Claras love mommy Madoka.

>>2195792
Pic related. I thought about it because of some conversations on Twitter I was looking back on where it said Ai was born from Madoka and Homura's meeting in Wraith Arc. The Nips were specifically using the word daughter.

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>>2195796
Madoka's literally a dead beat mom. Seriously though, if they're going to have a metaphorical baby, it should be a new universe or something.

>>2195796
>>Implying Madoka wouldn't treat them as her children
I doubt Madoka would have much motherly affection towards the manifestations of Homura's fear and self-loathing.

Although, assuming yin-yang happens, that does leave one to wonder what would happen to the Clara Dolls afterwards. I suppose that's dependent on the form Homura takes.

>>2195810
>Although, assuming yin-yang happens, that does leave one to wonder what would happen to the Clara Dolls afterwards.
The other familiars continue to exist, so that makes me believe they would continue to exist without much change. I take it less that Madoka treats them with affection like literal children and and more Madoka accepts them all as part of Homura. Madoka can't accept Homura's love without accepting all the other things that come with Homura. On that end though, I think it's a given Madoka already accepts Homura for all her flaws and insecurities, they just need to work out their issues at hand to get to that point.

>>2195822
Fair point.

>>2196126
They're cute. What are they from?

>>2196202
>We can unironically call anons animeonlyfags in this fandom now

Oriko and Kirika. They're notable for being the only ship set in the series universe that has sailed AND hasn't ended in total tragedy or with major strings attached.

>>2196126
Aren't they antagonists?

>>2196241
As much as anyone else is in the franchise.

>>2196241
They do murder other magical girls, but only because they know they turn into witches.

>>2196217
> Hasn't ended in total tragedy or with major strings attached.

Um what?
Oriko and Kirka succeed at nothing. By the end of the manga, nothing that they have set up comes to pass save for the pyrrhic victory killing Madoka. And to even get that far, Kirka comes a witch and Oriko is killed not soon afterwards.
Sure, they don't have a personal tragedy between themselves but there is plenty around them that is more than makes up for it. In the end, they do this all for nothing... this is just another timeline that Homura makes note of and plans around.

>>2196253
No, that's either Suzune Magica or one of the many plot twists they threw at the wall in Kazumi Magica.

OriKa want Madoka dead specifically for the same reason Coobs wants Madoka to contract before the show's up.

>>2196629
>Succeed in their goal
>Reunited in death (all meguca stories end im death)
>Save their personal universe
>Have two other spin offs that arent tragic in the least
6
>Have their own surrogate child

Significantly less tragic than MadoHomu, more canon than KyouSaya.

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Kalafina had released a new album called "Winter Acoustic "Kalafina with Strings"", which is an acoustic album release of popular unit Kalafina featuring Christmas songs & piano version songs.

And yes, they include a new version of Kimi no Gin no Niwa.

https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=871514

>>2196712
>Nyaa
>Not ponying up $1.37 for Your Silver Christmas Garden

>>2196692
>Succeed in their goal
Which changes nothing.
>Save their personal universe
Sure, but again... Homura doesn't really care at that point. Madoka is dead, the universe might as well be. Oriko and Kirka DON'T live to see it.
>Have two other spin offs that arent tragic in the least
Which are "what if's" based on a few changes in the details. In otherwords, like it or not... they never happened.
Interesting look at the characters, sure. And they are VERY interesting but the limits to that is based on the change in the scope.

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Cover for Wraith Arc vol 3

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Colored insert to be sold with vol 3.

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>>2196785
>Which are "what if's" based on a few changes in the details. In otherwords, like it or not... they never happened.
I always thought they were prequels.
Noisy Citrine is about what Kirka did between making her wish and joining up with Oriko
Symmetry Diamond and Last Agate focus on how the timelines before Madoka's witch became a world ending threat went.
Sadness Prayer is about the build up to Oriko's plan to kill Madoka in the original Oriko Magica.

>>2197118
They are in a sense, but the one thing that changes the scope IS the witch in Oriko vision of the future.

That witch is her target, ultimately. Preventing it's appearance is pinnacle to her planning. In the manga, that witch is Kriemhild Gretchen.
In the spinoffs, it's Walpurgisnacht.... which is why Madoka is never a subject in Noisy Citrine, Symmetry Diamond or Last Agate. Sadness Prayer is the only exception to that since it is based on the original vision and is prequel in the true sense of the word.

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>>2196785
>Which changes nothing.
Last 5 pages confirm they saved their universe.

>Sure, but again... Homura doesn't really care at that point. Madoka is dead, the universe might as well be. Oriko and Kirka DON'T live to see it.

The last 5 pages of the manga confirm their universe was safe and that the only thing Oriko regretted was killed innocent bystanders. Kirika tells her they're going to bear that burden together in the afterlife. It's literally the closest thing to a happy ending this series has seen.

>They never happened
You're implying Oriko is in anyway canon. The canon debate is only had with the events of the anime vs. manga (Different Story and Wraith Arc). They're expansions on two side characters that aren't bound by canon in a series where small changes in a loop alter events significantly.

>>2197118
I understood it just like you did. The Wiki says the following:

Noisy Citrine is a prequel.
Symmetry Diamond is an alternate/previous timeline.
The Last Agate is an alternate/previous timeline.
Sadness Prayer is a prequel.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact OriKiri is the least tragic ship of the franchise in actual material.

>>2197302
> Last 5 pages confirm they saved their universe.
How? All they did was remove Kriemhild Gretchen from being possible, but the fact remains that witches would still be a factor in that timeline and Walpurgisnacht lurks somewhere.
While not Grentchen, Walpurgisnacht is powerful enough to be considered an act of nature and they just killed the only person that can stop it.

They saved nothing. If anything, they doomed it.

> The last 5 pages of the manga confirm their universe was safe and that the only thing Oriko regretted was killed innocent bystanders. Kirika tells her they're going to bear that burden together in the afterlife. It's literally the closest thing to a happy ending this series has seen.
Ok this is going to be weird, but I have always considered those last 5 paged to be out of sync due to the above. There is no real way that they would be able to meet considering that prior to Madoka's reset, there wasn't much to be found after death. I have always assumed that it took place after that point.

> Oriko is in anyway canon
It is if you take the series from Homura's (who is revealed to the the protagonist in the series) point of view, whom time hops several times. The Magical Quartet mentions that Homura has at least done this one hundred times, likely more. It isn't that hard to consider Oriko to be one of those considering it's many parallels with the series that go far beyond simple cameos.
The Different Story is in the same boat to be honest.

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>>2197327
>While not Grentchen, Walpurgisnacht is powerful enough to be considered an act of nature and they just killed the only person that can stop it.
The world had survived that long with Walpurgisnacht floating around, it'll manage somehow.
>There is no real way that they would be able to meet considering that prior to Madoka's reset, there wasn't much to be found after death.
Nothing ever said that there WASN'T an afterlife pre-MadoKami, just that there definitly WAS one post-MadoKami.

>>2197327
>Walpurgisnacht
Walpurgusnacht isn't world destroying. She just destroys the city. Oriko was fighting to save the world, not Mitakihara. If Oriko was willing to kill someone to stop the world from being destroyed, I am sure she'd be willing to let a few thousand die for the sake of billions. It doesn't mean it won't weigh on her, but the reality is that it's the best and most logical choice given the situation.

>Afterlife
See the anon below. Nothing says that there wasn't an afterlife and even in the series manga, Kyouko and Sayaka are reunited in death following the suicide. Madoka and Homura do the same, though this was later retconned for obvious reasons. All Madoka's wish did was prevent them from becoming witches.

>Oriko canon
It's a spin-off. The best you could say in its defense is that it's filler.

>>2197445
>It's a spin-off. The best you could say in its defense is that it's filler.
More eastern franchises need to embrace the concept of extended/expanded universes written by people other than the primary author so we can do away with this line of thinking.

>>2197327
>It isn't that hard to consider Oriko to be one of those considering it's many parallels with the series that go far beyond simple cameos.
It is unless you assume Homura outright kills off the cast of Oriko Magica in subsequent timelines.
>The Different Story is in the same boat to be honest.
TDS doesn't introduce anything new.

>>2197386
>Nothing ever said that there WASN'T an afterlife pre-MadoKami
If I recall correctly, Kyubey mentions in the series that the human soul just disappears upon death, which would equate to no afterlife. Only the manga suggest that an afterlife exists.

>>2197481
>Kyubey mentions in the series that the human soul just disappears upon death, which would equate to no afterlife.
I don't trust Kyubey's knowledge of what happens to a persons soul after it leaves the body. Even if his knowledge is reliable, his explanation is probably about as trustworthy as his explanation to Kyouko of her chances of saving Sayaka

>>2197495
"If there was a way of saving her, I wouldn't know about it" is entirely factually correct.

>>2197505
But it was stated to induce a specific response from Kyouko, rather than to accurately reflect Kyubey's belief on the matter, which is that it isn't possible at all.

>>2197506
It was an accurate reflection of Kyubey's belief. The statement was intended to mislead Kyoko, but it was in no way incorrect.

>>2197515
And the statement about souls vanishing may have been intended to mislead the person he was talking to. I think he was talking to Sayaka, though it might have been Madoka, It's been awhile since I went through the actual series.
Besides, The Incubators have no clue about the post-Madokami afterlife until Homura tells them about what she knows of it, what makes you think they'd have any more knowledge of one that existed pre-Madokami?

>>2197481
They also said that the souls of magical girls disappear when their soul gem is corrupted. It was only Homura's explanations that made them consider that a specific force, Madoka, is responsible for that.
I doubt they ever cared where they disappeared to.