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CANON edition

Previous thread >>2141624
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scans when
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Why are the background characters so cute? I want a yuri story with them
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You may only post in this thread if your OTP is 100% canon in the manga

NOT SO FAST SUMIBANBA FANS
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>>2166178
Hanabusa taking Banba in as her maid/sex slave is pretty close to canon
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Not sure if anyone here is enough of an oldfag to remember 1000 Luxuries, but I've been emailing with the author ever since the story got taken down because of all the melodrama. I've sporadically brought up the idea of finishing the fic up in private, just for me to read for some closure, and she seems open to the idea.

Finally meeting her in person this week, and I'm thinking of bringing the idea up again, and maybe asking if I can share it here with /u/ all. I don't think she really knows what 4chan or /u/ are, but there are like 5 people here, so I can tell her it'll be private.

Any of /u/ actually interested? If not, I'm just gonna try to be as much of a normie as possible and not bring up the fic at all when I meet her.
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>>2166183
>AnR anything
>oldfag

Anon come on.

Isnt she from Boston though? Shit, kind hilarious I might have passed her by somewhere unknowingly.
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>>2166183
>Any of /u/ actually interested?
I love you.
Absolutely, I was so mad when it was cancelled.

How did it come to be that you are meeting her in person? It feels like the plot of a /u/ manga
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>>2166183
did she ever break up with her evil boyfriend?
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>>2166178
Don't tell me what to do
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>>2166178
Please don't spread your shit taste all over this thread. And Isuke/Haruhi is not canon. They just talked on the phone. Big deal.
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>>2166183
Why is Isuke blushing?
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>>2166227
>Haruki: Girlfriend.
>Isuke: Huh~? No way (heart). Not gonna help you here.
>Isuke: I'll kill you if you don't come here ASAP (heart)
>Mama: How unusual. Isuke sure is awfully nice to her.
>Isuke: Of course. After all, I've fallen for her.

Please go be autistic somewhere else.
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>>2166240
Beautiful. I wonder if Isuke forces Haruki to wear the overall when they're doing it.
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>>2166245
Well she does love blue collar workers
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>>2166240
What's the significance of the rings? They're not married
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>>2166421
They are still wearing them on their ring finger, like a married couple.
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>>2166183
>Any of /u/ actually interested?
I reread it just last week, I'm still mad about that whole situation. I would love you forever, anon.
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Wasnt this suppose to be released at c90 along with Small Riddles 4?
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>>2166965
It was. I own a copy.
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>>2166970

Oh

Go on
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>>2166240
I really love their dynamic. Makes me even more happy they are officially canon now.
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>>2166183
All of the yes in the world.
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>>2167050
What's on the TV?
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>>2167219
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>>2166183
Her whole situation with the evil bf and family was like a fanfic come true.
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>>2166196

Tokaku x Haru
Haruki x Isuki
Chitaru x Hitsugi
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In case anyone is lost about the whole 1000 Luxuries thing.
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>>2167480
All this time later and I'm still mad.
This is the plot of a yuri manga that /u/ would be triggered over for years.
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>>2167480
I can't believe she stopped cause of her boyfriend
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>>2167480
It's so much drama it's hard to believe it happened.

If she continues the fanfic, I'm glad for the fans, but I didn't like the fic very much. Too much drama it felt forced.
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>>2167480
>Man believes that you can catch "gayness" and that writing /u/ fiction makes you a lesbian

Honestly I would be shocked but there are actually people like him.
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>>2167501
I dont even care if he has some dumb belief.

But going to the parents? That's low.
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>>2167051
I need to make a folder just for these
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>>2167560
I have one
It's called
Recycle Bin
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>>2167219

A home video from when Nio was younger. (still wearing the 20 shirt)
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What's next for Minakata?

Not seeing anything on pixiv, she tweets anything new?
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>>2167560

Most of my "heresy" folder is art by 69
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>>2167627

Most recently, she made some Touhou posters for Reitaisai.
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>>2167610
That's a weird thing to be fucking to
I'm not complaining though
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>>2167642
Literally Nio
I hope she does the art for another /u/ manga in the future
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>>2167627
Still hoping for some lewd AnR dj after it ended. Especially for Isuke/Haruki.
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>>2167713
Very unlikely. Without Yun's and New Type's approval, porn could get her in trouble. A lot of publications like to distance themselves from that to maintain their image.
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>>2167714
It all depends on what her contract says. Most artists have clauses in their contracts preventing them from drawing porn of their manga's characters, but specifics like statute of limitations and such could vary.
Maybe it'll expire in a couple years and she could do something then.
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>>2167497
Agreed, it definitely wasn't as amazing as it's made out to be sometimes. Readers probably look back on it more favorably because of the circumstances around the bahleeting and because it was babby's first edgy Akuma no Riddle fanfic.

Then again, other English-medium fics which came after weren't particularly exceptional either, so it also looks better compared to the drivel on AO3 and FFNet.
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>>2167757
I thought it started off incredibly well. Captured Isuke and Haruki perfectly

Got kind iffy once the OC antagonist started getting involved but that just might be my almost unnaturally low tolerance for plot centric OC's
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>>2168009
Yeah but they're a necessary evil when you're trying to write a pseudo-sequel.

At least she changed the villain from male to female.
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>>2168037
Don't think the gender really mattered, although I suppose given how fragile the minds and egos of the readers were, it might have been the more practical decision after all to change it.

I also don't entirely agree with the need for an OC just because it's a sequel. For the particular story that 1k luxuries was trying to tell? Maybe you need an OC

But it could have been a story involving Isuke's gay parents more, with OCs serving a more supporting role instead of a central focus.
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>>2168167
Since the villain was fucking Haruki, it better be a woman. I don't want any het sex in a yuri fanfic.
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>>2167799

Title:
>"Otoya/Shiena Kiss Relay"

Panel 2:
>Sh- shut up!! Stupid!!

>Kya~!
>I've been smooched by Shiena-chan~!

3:
>I'm returning the favor~

4:
>Wh- Hold-! Wait!!
>Takechi, stop!

>Eh~? No way~,
>I can't stop~

>You idiot!!
>Ah, wai...
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>>2167801

8/1 - Boob day

8/2 - Puff-puff day (read: colliding face-first into boobs day)
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>>2166183
Haven't been in AnR threads in a while. I remember this fanfic, but what do you mean cancelled?
It was completed, but truth to be told, it was too much with all the rape
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Overall the manga was better than the anime, but it felt like the manga should've shown more details about how Chitaru discovered Hitsugi's poison and their talks during the play skipped around too much. It's definitely improved, since their death scene was added to the doujin though.
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>>2168898
The manga was mostly better than the anime, but it was very rushed at times, specially during fights (like Isuke vs Tokaku). I know the fights are not the main point of this series, but half-assed fighting scenes are such a turn off.

And the epilogue got rushed as well for everyone who is not Tokaku and Haru.
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>>2166240
I was literally waiting a whole year to see the end of the manga and check whether there would be something extra about Isuke and Haruki final scenes
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>>2168839
You obviously haven't read through this one very well either.
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>>2167019
Isn't the little red riding hood supposed to run away from the big bad wolf?
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>>2168933
Banba was shown with Sumireko, but it left out the scene from the anime that showed that Mahiru was getting better. I really want a final epilogue that goes goes into things more. Maybe in the final volume or an author doujin if I'm lucky.
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>>2169889

We already got best couple confirmed dating.
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Chitaru x Hitsugi > Tokaku x Haru > Haruki x Isuki
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>>2169902
What a shit taste you have anon. Not only Team sexy last, but also team boring first.
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When will the Raws be uploaded?
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>>2169902

Haruki/Isuke > Tokaku/Haru >>> Otoya >> Chitaru's Hair >>>> Nio/Yuri > Sumibanba >>> Kouko/Suzu >>> >>>> Chitaru/Hitsugi
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>>2169975
Why the ChitaHitsu hate?
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>>2169974
Comicwalker uploads them on 22nd
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>>2169911
Team boring is Kouko x Suzu though
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>>2167019
Isuke was tsun all along. Well, there wasn't much doubt at all if you were a yuri fan.
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>>2170018
Haruki's mouth is trying to escape
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>>2169975
I like how Chitaru's hair takes a place on their own kek.
>>2170012
They are not even a team though anon
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>>2167480
This sounds like complete horseshit if I'm honest.
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>>2170646

Life is stranger than fiction at times.
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>>2166240
Full chapter when?
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What's up with comicwalker? Why isn't the final chapter available?
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The Raws are up
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>>2171894
Where? Comic walker redirects me to ch 3 (or whatever, the one Shinya first greets Tokaku and Haru)
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>>2169898
Who/where/when? I only just finished watching AnR and found this thread/spoiler]
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>>2171963
Then start reading.
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>>2171963
Isuke x Haruki
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So what are the 'must read', so to speak English fics? I've only read 'Love Under Construction' and 'Forgive Me But Don't Forget Me' by Jstonedd.
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>>2172036
None, really.
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>>2172036
Love Under Construction was really good.
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>>2171894
Where? They're neither on Comic Walker or the MF folder.
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>>2172036
>>2172042
jstonedd has no grasp on characterization. Having decent grammar and coherent sentences are the only things which make her writing "better", in a technical sense than any particularly satisfying way.
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>>2172036
see
>>2166183
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>>2172033
And surely Tokaku and Haru, right?
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>>2172085
yes
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>>2172063
I agree
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>>2172063
Thats better than most.

>>2172042
Thanks for this.
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>>2166183
Please do, it's been on my mind since she was forced to cancel it. (Especially her shitty family and BF, fuck it made me angry just typing this all over again.)
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>>2172065
Skimmed it, but no thanks.
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>>2172406
Just curious, what didn't you like in 1000 luxuries?
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>>2172411
Too much OCs and rape, when just torture would've sufficed. I wonder if authors will ever stop to jump to rape when they want to do something drastic.
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>>2172063
>jstonedd has no grasp on characterization
You are really wrong in this. She is the best AnR writer in my opinion. Her characterization was on point and the stories interestng.

Also 1k Luxuries was quite off regarding Isuke's character. From a narcissist she went to self sacrificing for Haruki's brother in only oneweek. Now that was too off.
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>>2172415
The author wrote a second version of the chapter without rape, and originally posted that first, with a note about how she changed things. Reader feedback led to her posting the original version, and a vote about which one to keep. The original version with the rape won the vote.
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>>2172459
I wonder why the hell people who are reading a yuri fic wanted to see het rape. Or why the fuck the author had that idea in the first place.
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>>2172458
Isuke was off in 1K indeed. Isuke seems like a hard character to write when it comes to romance because she is selfish and pretty much only cares about her parents. She is dating Haruki in the manga, but we never knew how that happened.
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>>2172472
>Or why the fuck the author had that idea in the first place.
Maybe some bullshit reason to explain why she like girls.
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>>2172472
Rape is instant and deep character development. Of course people want it.
And, at the very least, that goddamn dyke finally had a dick in her.
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Comic walker is not working for me, anyone managed to read the last ch yet?
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>>2172478
Something like = Isuke got raped once, so she became a lesbian?

>>2172481
>that goddamn dyke finally had a dick in her.

which dyke?
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>>2172459
It is weird because the readers apparently prefered the hardcore rape version one.
I was like what the fuck. What kind of yurifags whould prefer that
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>>2172481
>And, at the very least, that goddamn dyke finally had a dick in her.
Probably that. I really can't wrap my head around why people would prefer the rape, especially a rape written in such detail, unless they are secretely hetfags
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>>2172518
Maka Maka fans.
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>>2172489
>which dyke?

I wouldn't know. But with many of the type of authors that include such a thing, that seems to be their reasoning. Consciously or not. Because anything else - aside from the mentioned everyone does it, go-to insta-character development/feel fishing - just doesn't make sense.
Or I'm just spouting bullshit. It's not as if I have much of an idea what's going through their heads.
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>>2172526
>>2172522
So you guys think they find it hot when lesbians are raped by men?
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>>2172481
Then again, even if it was lesbian rape I wouldn't like it either. I just dont like rape as a plot point, I prefer torture or anything else, really.
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Rape as a plot device is overdone, but I also don't immediately dismiss it if I already like the fics.

No need to throw tantrum over it and out yourself as an immature child.
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>>2172531
A LOT of people do.
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>>2172538
My main problem is when I read a yuri fic for the yuri, but there is het rape. Should keep the het rape to het stuff.
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>>2172472
>>2172518
To be fair, there were more differences between the 2 versions than just rape. The events of Isuke's rescue played out a lot differently too.
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>>2172548
Yes, the Disney-like rescue was shit. But if she just changed the rape to torture, it would be good enough.
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>>2172550
I actually liked the rescue version, because it involved all the characters helping and participating too
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>>2172415
Rape is torture, no?
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>>2172577
You know very well what the anon meant, don't play dumb
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>>2172581
>>2172472
>>2172481

Nobody "wanted" to see het rape. It wasn't added because the author thought "this is what people want to see", it was supposed to be a bad thing.

The rape chapter was the better chapter.
Go back and read the comments, I guarantee you nobody is rooting for het rape.
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>>2172588
If she didn't want it, the author could have written something different (to be the "bad thing"). Something tells me she is het/bi and doesn't understand lesbians/yuri fans very well.
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>>2172588
>Nobody "wanted" to see het rape
>The rape chapter was the better chapter.

Noone wanted it, yet this was the best chapter? Your words are contradicting. I still don't understand how reading a gross and detailed gang rape scene makes that chapter better than the other.
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>>2172592
>Something tells me she is het/bi and doesn't understand lesbians/yuri fans very well.
Have you missed that >>2167480
anon? She is not gay and I assume not even bi.
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>>2172592
It wasn't included to appease phantom het fans.
It's not the equivalent to a faceless old man doujin, where the only purpose is fapbait.

>>2172600
>I still don't understand how reading a gross and detailed gang rape scene makes that chapter better than the other.
There were other differences beside that. The rape itself didn't make the chapter better.
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>>2172602
Because people never lie right? Especially when they think/know that somebody will read/hear something they write/say.

I'm not saying she is gay/bi, I'm just saying that unless you know that person personally, you really can't make concrete observations.
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>>2172617
>The rape itself didn't make the chapter better.
But it made it way worse. Like some anon said above, there were different ways to write something besides giving it a rape.
>>2172677
She said she is not gay, and I personally don't go further than what someone claims to be, because it doesn't matter anyway.
But I'm pretty sure straight girls(at least the majority) don't like rape scenes in fiction either.
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>>2172602
Well, maybe the family forced her to get a boyfriend.
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>>2172617
Rape is one of those things that aren't okay even if it's just fiction, it's way too gross.
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>>2172797
Disagreed.

Rape is never an acceptable action, but it is
>a (sadly) common occurrence
>a universally understood tragedy, and a universally evil action - both of which can lead to character development/understanding
>a lead in to many dramatic or hurt/comfort situations and scenarios

I had to have this discussion on /co/ recently, but "gross" is not criticism. Gross isn't objective, isn't valid, and isn't a reason not to do something. Bad things happen in life, and ignoring them or not writing them doesn't make them go away.

Of course I can't defend badly used/done only for shock value/overdone rape. Rape deserves a kind of gravity and shouldn't be used cheaply.
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>>2172795
>Well, maybe the family forced her to get a boyfriend.
That's exactly what happened
>>2167480

I didn't know arranged marriages still happened
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>>2172819
>I didn't know arranged marriages still happened

I sincerely hope you just forgot to add "In the U.S", because I legit have to question your age if you think it doenst happen in the rest of the world.
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>>2172825
*In countries that aren't third world shitholes like India
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PLEASE SOMEBODY POST THE RAWS SO WE CAN GET AWAY FROM THIS SHITTY ASS DISCUSSION.
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>>2172845
Anyone know if there is any Nio/Yuri content?
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>>2172849
No idea, but I sure as hell hope so.
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>>2172849
Where's the anon who said they would scan this?
I tried to buy it but I couldn't get it to ship to the US
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>>2172825
Nothing really wrong with arranged marriages per se.
Just forced (nonconsensual) arranged marriages.
Some even consider it a good thing because they're too lazy to look for a prospective mate themselves and delegate the task to their parents.

Also, how does /u/ feel about Banba repeated het rape which is actually canon?
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>>2172845
You can also stop reading if you don't like the conversation. Noone's putting a gun to your head.
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>>2172795
Forced boyfriend =/= being gay/bi.
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>>2172859
>Also, how does /u/ feel about Banba repeated het rape which is actually canon?

Her character doesn't work without it
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>>2172855
http://goodyjapan.sakura.ne.jp/

I'll scan it at some point I swear
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>>2172816
I don't know why, but I'm jus very disturbed by rape. I much prefer murder/gore over it and I can't explain why.
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>>2172545
A lot of people are sick fucks
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>>2172859
When I watched that scene I felt sick for the whole day. But I guess if you want a character to have DID (dissociative identity disorder), the cause has to be something REALLY bad, so I can kinda forgive it. And thank goodness it was not very explicit.
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>>2172862
I know. But I was thinking: what if she was a lesbian, but they forced her to have a bf?

Probably not the case, just a very small possibility
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>>2172888
>When I watched that scene I felt sick for the whole day
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>>2172949
Do you enjoy little kids getting raped much?
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>>2172981
Only if it's yuri rape by a hot onee-chan.
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Where are the updates

And I fucking hope Minakata does some other yuri series after this.
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Are there only going to be 5 volumes in total? That seems a little low. I kinda wish there was more time to explore the girls non-classroom lives before/after
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>>2174413
The manga had so so SO many problems. If it weren't for Minakata's art, it would have have gained no traction whatsoever.

Look at some of dialogue. Even if you blame it all on iHoshiku's questionable translations early on, they were still some very campy writing and dreadful story pacing.

All the good parts of the stories were isolated instances, and none of those would have mattered without Minkata's art injecting so much personalities (or at the very least, inspiring fans to dream up so many personalities) into the characters.
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>>2174420
I haven't read the manga yet - is it really that bad? How did it get an adaptation in the first place if it's so bad? Did the anime come first?

The art looks nice though.
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>>2174424
You should read it if you like the characters.

Just don't expect meaningful character development or consistent storytelling. Enjoy the little moments between cool looking dykes being cool looking dykes, and ride out the story that more or less ended up the same as the anime's.
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>>2174376
Yea, someone please post the Raws or Chapter.
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>>2174426
>You should read it if you like the characters.
>Just don't expect meaningful character development or consistent storytelling. Enjoy the little moments between cool looking dykes being cool looking dykes, and ride out the story that more or less ended up the same as the anime's.

Guess I'll read it, then. Cool looking dykes doing cool looking dyke things, be they cool or cute, is just my kinda thing.
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>>2174426
>and ride out the story that more or less ended up the same as the anime's.
Except the manga ending actually contained yuri.
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>>2174426
At least the manga didn't have a retarded final battle like in the anime.
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>>2174426
I don't understand why people find AnR bad. I think it's very interesting. Both plot and characters are very complelling.
Only problem I found was that it ended too soon and felt a bit rushed.
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>>2174780
>I don't understand why people find AnR bad.
Because it's bad.
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Was Haruki's ED always this good?

I swear the first time I heard it back when the episode aired I thought it was really mediocre. But it's so good listening to the nightcore version today
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>>2174780
The story is nothing special, and the writing itself suffers.

The characters, however, are well written and generally well developed (to some measure)
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>>2174780
>Series about assassins.
>Literally no one ever dies
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>>2175065
>Well-written characters

I'd say the character popularities are more because of their good and distinct character designs as well as a great artist. I found the characters themselves to be somewhat shallow, especially since the 12-episode anime liked to do a villian of the week format.

Basically, here's the character, here's their sob story, they fail at assassination, goodbye forever, cue character song ed. This series was largely forgettable, it's a shame the writer didn't realize how bland the anime was and completely redo the second half of the manga.
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>>2175065
>The characters, however, are well written

Not even close.

The characters looked great thanks to Minakata's art and some of them had good dynamics. But their potentials were mostly unrealized and given little spotlight in the end.

Haruki and Isuke fucking struck gold with some decent contrasts and similarities between them, despite how early Haruki got kicked off the series.

Chitaru and Hitsugi were the biggest wasted potential.
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>>2166172
Makes me wonder if Yun Kouga got bored with the story while still keeping up with Loveless
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>>2175169

Loveless is still going? How many years has it been?

Considering it had fightings and powerlevel, shouldnt they be fighting against elder gods or international competition by now, goojg by the rules of powercreeping?
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>>2175066
Yeah, you only watched the anime, didn't you?
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>>2175066
>>Literally no one ever dies
It never promised death nor presented itself as such.
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>>2175212
Don't be dense.

Or next you'll say "it never promised to be good"
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>>2175185
But no one dies in the manga either? Ending is basically the same except no titanium ribs bullshit
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>>2175212
Tokaku literally said she was going to kill Haru. She then shot her directly in the chest.
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>>2175434
Good shit
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>>2175212
That is true, but since we are dealing with assassins, it is normal to expect someone to die.
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>>2175088
>But their potentials were mostly unrealized and given little spotlight in the end.
This doesn't make them bad characters or boring.

The basis of the characters is pretty good, although it seems they didn't want to work on this series for too long, so they rushed the development of the secondary characters a bit.
But still, this is way different than having bad characters.
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>>2175628
So just because noone died, it makes the anime bad?
I never understood deathfags, it's like you want to see characters getting development, only to die in the end.
To me this feels such a waste of a character, and I'm glad noone died in the end.
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So, did they ever post the raw of the last chapter on comic walker? I can't see them
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>>2177233
That is the very definition of bad characters.

I love them too, but only because of the "basis" of their characters and Minakata's Art.

There were very few developments with actual changes and actions taken by the characters. The notable ones were

1. Tokaku getting spooked by the queen bee revelation and making a dumb plan to prove her free will.

2. Isuke actually realizing she had some things in common with Haruki

3. Chitaru not pussying out and actually choosing the real knife.

The rest were just all simple back stories that were told straight up with nothing else to add. And then it all just ends happily for a group of teenager murderers.
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>>2177309
>That is the very definition of bad characters.
I don't agree.
Bad characters is different than characters not being thoroughly developed. Of course, if the characters are really underdeveloped (screentime-wsie) they indeed become bad.
But I think this is not the case here, since the basis we got and their air time is enough to support them on its on to a certain degree.

Sure I don't dissagree that there were some plotholes they had to develop more. But this probably is because they didn't want to work on this manga for many years. Also it feels like Kuga was getting tired, but this is totally my assumption.

A bad character to me, is the cliche ones. The ones that lack depth and fail to make people care about them. Or using forced drama to make the characters seem more sympathetic.

None of this apply to the AnR character in mo.
They are different, have something unique about them and at least I can empathise with them.
Especially Isuke and Haruki are very well done, both for motives and characterization, as well as pairing dynamic.
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>>2177327
>A bad character to me, is the cliche ones. The ones that lack depth and fail to make people care about them. Or using forced drama to make the characters seem more sympathetic

Right, and that describes pretty much every AnR character.

Blaming on the length of the story doesn't change that.
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>>2177336
>Right, and that describes pretty much every AnR character
So what exactly is so cliche about these characters?
Seems like you haven't watched many anime, or just looking for an alien or something.
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>>2177395
>Seems like you haven't watched many anime

Shouldn't it be the other way around here? Since you seem to be the one who hasn't seen or read much and thinks AnR characters are totally original?

I think you are probably a bit young and just wants to argue for arguments sake. Understand that the characters are still extremely likable, but denying their lack of development or depth is pretty foolish.
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>>2177400
>Understand that the characters are still extremely likable
How can you call them extremely likable but bad at the same time?
This shows that there is at least some relatability and originality in them.
I'm not denying there is lack of development story wise, but this in my opinion is because of the air time and length they gave to this story. Which is different than simply making boring and cliche characters.

I'm not saying AnR is totally original. But you should know that nothing can be 100% original with so many series out there anymore.
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>>2177428
>How can you call them extremely likable but bad at the same time

It's called being an adult and being able to differentiate the two.
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>>2177309
Yeah, I guess one of the biggest problems is that most of the stuff about the side characters are only shown in flashback, then they don't change much (or do anything relevant) afterwards.

>>2177327
>Also it feels like Kuga was getting tired, but this is totally my assumption.

I don't know why, but I got that feeling as well.
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>>2177469
>It's called being an adult
Nah anon sorry. It's called not knowing what you're talking about.
The existence of the first eliminates the other. It's like you say, this shirt is black, but is white too.
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>>2177518
>The existence of the first eliminates the other.

Not sure if bait
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>>2177428
Not the nee-san you were responding to, but

>How can you call them extremely likable but bad at the same time?

Have you ever seen a bad B movie, or a shitty horror flick or romcom that, despite -knowing- is not a quality product, you enjoy anyway? It's kind of the same here. The girls of AnR aren't very well developed and most of them are nothing but a few personality quirks and a sad backstory - interesting characters these qualities do not make. And yet, we like them: their designs are nice, their interactions are cute and/or entertaining, and their role in the story works.

They aren't good characters. Most don't develop, most don't do anything, really, besides try to kill a single person. But despite this they're likeable because of the aforementioned quirks and backstories and interactions. In the same way that a badly made, 80's era horror movie is "bad" (cliche, badly acted, badly written) but might be enjoyable nonetheless (because of the characters, or the inherent nonsense of the plot, or the score, or the gore, or any other thing).

tl;dr
Bad and likeable are not mutually exclusive.
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>So you got costumes from somewhere…

>Nio lent them to me.
>Put these on too~!

>No way.

2:
>Why a prisoner? …and a police officer?

>It’s so Haru can arrest Tokaku-san!

>"Arrest"?
>(You can’t arrest a prisoner, you know)

>You’re under arrest!
>(Don’t sweat the details)

3:
>For the crime of stealing Haru’s heart!

>Uwah...

4:
>And attempted murder.
>(I’m not letting you get away)

>Seriously, knock it off.
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>>2178157
Cute.
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>>2178191
Why are they also zombies?
Haru needs to stay focused on one idea at a time
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>>2177428
>How can you call them extremely likable but bad at the same time?
I love AnR but I wouldn't call it a work of art.
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>>2178698
See also the bunny ears.
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>>2178191
I wonder if Haru flaunts Tokaku's attempted murder in order to get her to do household chores
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>>2172859
>Also, how does /u/ feel about Banba repeated het rape which is actually canon?
I didn't read the manga. Banba was really raped?
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>>2178919
She was raped in the anime too.
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>>2179562
muh heart
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Is this really yuri? I just finished the series and Tokaku/Haru doesn't even give me the vibes that they're going to end up together.
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>>2179579
I'm sorry you have non-yuri goggles glued to your face.
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>>2179579
You clearly weren't watching the same show as the rest of us then.
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>>2179562
Literally the single best thing Minakata did this series.

Designing these two and having them hook up.
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>>2179579

You either baiting or not even watching the same thing we watched.
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>>2179562
Is Haruki blushing in the first panel?
Also, why are they so cute?
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>>2179679
>Is Haruki blushing in the first panel?

She is

>Also, why are they so cute?

Because they're the best pairing and also pretty hot.
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>>2179679
Because Isuke is a bitch. She was a bitch in the first panel she appeared, she was a bitch when she first met Haruki and she was a bitch towards Tokaku & Haru till the very end.

It's aweomse to see a turbo bitch fall in love without corny plot events turning her into some redeemed pure waifu.

If she stood her next to Tokaku and Haru again, she'd probably try to shank them both.
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>>2179682
>She is
Cute and I agree.

>>2179683
I really love their dynamic
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>>2179683
>It's aweomse to see a turbo bitch fall in love without corny plot events turning her into some redeemed pure waifu.
Absolutely agreed. Isuke is Isuke - the fact that she's in love does not detract from the fact that she's going to be a bitch to pretty much everyone else. It's who she is.

>If she stood her next to Tokaku and Haru again, she'd probably try to shank them both.
I can see it even now.

What are some good Isuke/Haruki fanfics/doujins/non-h doujins? Especially fanfics
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>>2179683
>she'd probably try to shank them both.
She'd probably try to shank Tokaku, but I don't think she'd do that with Haru.
Instead, she'd toy around with Haru again like she did the first time, because yuri pheromones and shit.
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WHERE IS THE CHAPTER?!
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>>2179714
I think, or at least hope, she's learned her lesson after two failed attempts.
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>>2179718
She likes the thrill of playing with fire.
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>>2179698
>AnR
>doujins
good one...
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>>2179716
I'd like to know the answer to this, myself...
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>>2179698

There is a couple of doujins made by Minakata herself over at Dynasty, but they're not that great.
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>>2179721
There are several good TokaHaru doujinshi by a couple of authors, a few Nio/Yuri, lots of smaller ones (can't mail order) for misc couples.
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>>2179698
>What are some good Isuke/Haruki fanfics
see
>>2166183
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>>2179731
Almost none of them are scanned though
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>>2179698

The only doujin you need is Titanium Bone Les
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>>2179562
I like how Haruki shamelessly admits it's a girlfriend when they ask her about a boyfriend.
I've watched the OVA last night again, and damn they must really have good sex now that they are dating.

What I think makes this couple really appealing is how Isuke remained a bitch till the end, and despite that, they can still be together and keep their characters as well, like this anon >>2179683 said.
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>>2179950
>What I think makes this couple really appealing is how Isuke remained a bitch till the end
I like how Isuke telling Haruki she will kill her, if she doesn't come as soon as possible is apparently her being awfully nice. I also like how chill Haruki is with Isuke's bitchy attitude and knows how to handle her.
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>>2180051
>I also like how chill Haruki is with Isuke's bitchy attitude and knows how to handle her.
Exactly. That's a good combo.
Also, probably Isuke was talking in a specific sweet way in that panel, so maybe that's why her mama said she is awfully nice to Haruki.

Also Isuke seems to be the jealous type, judging from what she said to Haruki to call her asap. Interesting.
If I didn't see these panels, I'd say that Haruki would be the one going after Isuke, and Isuke ignoring her. Because bitchy characters usually can be passive agressive with what they want instead of showing their true feelings. But it seems that's not the case, which is really nice.
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>>2180075
>Because bitchy characters usually can be passive agressive with what they want instead of showing their true feelings
It probably was like that before they were dating.
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>>2180086
That's a doujin though, not counting as canon.
Based on their canon interaction in the anime and manga, Isuke didn't show any type f passive agressiveness.
She was actually pretty straight forward.
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>>2180133
Yeah, but it was released in an official dj, so maybe there is some truth to it.
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>>2179721
>>2179730
>>2179732
>>2179734
What about fanfics, then?
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>>2180256

Best to write your own.
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>>2180256
Love Under Construction was quite good. And there are some decent drabbles on AO3.
And of course, 1000 Luxuries is the big one, but since the poster hasn't replied after their meeting, it seems like it'll be forever incomplete.
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>>2180259
I've written a lot more fics recently than I have in the past 2 or 3 years combined.

And yet, I have no inspiration for an AnR fic. I guess I'm part of the problem.
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>>2180298
What AnR pairings do you like?
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>>2180298
Honestly, dont try to do some long epic sequel to the series or super creative alternative universe Haruki The Dragonslayer or some shit.

Keep it short, simple, but do it in ways that bring out the characters' qualities that the fans are familiar with.

Remember how Isuke is an egotistical bitch who's all about her family and the cash? Write a story of her spending some poorfag afternoon date with Haruki.

Haruki is still poor as fuck? Have Isuke take her out to some fancy cruise or dinner party.

The stories practically write themselves once you narrow down the setting and what qualities of the characters you want to show the readers.
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>>2180086
Why is Morishima SO. FUCKING. AWESOME.
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>>2180474
Her art style isn't really for me though.
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>>2180332
One-shots are nice, because they're usually short, sweet, and don't run the risk of being unfinished.
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>>2180305
The main ones, really. I don't branch out. Haru/Tokaku, Isuke/Haruki, Chitaru/Hitsugi, etc.

>>2180332
That's always been my style, nee-san. Small one-shots about the characters in small situations. I just can't seem to find any inspiration
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>>2180496
aww, that's too bad. I love her stuff.
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>>2180496

Her art style is fine when she's working on her own stuff, but it is weird when she does doujins.
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>>2180496
it's so fluffy though.
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>>2180298
I tried to write an AnR fic before, but it stayed unfinished.
The problem with AnR, in my opinion, is that the stories are limitating. Like this anon >>2180332 said, if people stay in character and write only small fics, then it really gets repetitive.
Because there are like, 5 other similar stories, so to me it feels pointless repeting the same stuff.
These one shots and very in universe stories have already been written before many times already, when AnR was still freshly aired.

I actually don't mind writing something long or different, but AnR is not the fandom for these type of fanfics.
This is why I pick Mai Hime to write more original stuff instead. Because it's a big fanfic fandom, and it allows the author to have more freedom of their settings, characters and plots.
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>>2180496
Me neither. She makes the characters look like kids. I prefer the more grown-up style
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>>2180983
What did you try to write?
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>>2180986
A continuation of the story after they graduated. But since this would mostly be slice of life, with some assasin elements, it felt like I would write the same things I've read before in other fics.

Like Haruki meeting Isuke's parents, Haruki having financial problems and Isuke getting jealous. Or adding some extra drama like 1k luxuries.
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>>2181014
You could've done a fic about Haruki having financial problems and getting a job at a host club. I don't think that one's been done yet.
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>>2181028
There is a fic where Haruki gets a job as a waitress, and then she breaks up with Isuke.
I dont know, simple slice of life without anything more to it is not my strong point when writing fiction
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>>2181041
>and then she breaks up with Isuke.
dropped
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>>2181049
It's relationship drama. They started dating pretty soon, so they had to face some hardships before going back together.
The fiction was pretty good. Isuke's parents were pressing her to date someone, and her mama wanted Isuke to date Hanabusa.
it was interesting.
I think they started dating because Isuke wanted a fake gf to make her parents stop bringing her potential bf/gfs.

but this is a trope Ive seen in other fandoms pretty often as well.

Another one I like was a story about Haruki's father being enemies with Isuke's mama. It was also providing background of Haruki's familly. Was pretty nice, but the author didn't update t till the end.

If anyone is interested, they can find these type of fics in ff net. Apply filters above 20k words, there are not many about this limit. So it's easy to find them.
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>>2181088
I remember that waitress fic. It started off pretty well, but the drama all coming from dumb misunderstandings that could've been cleared up with 30 seconds of talking got pretty annoying.
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>>2181088
>Another one I like was a story about Haruki's father being enemies with Isuke's mama. It was also providing background of Haruki's familly. Was pretty nice, but the author didn't update t till the end.

I think I remember this one. "For better or for worse" or something.
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>>2180580
Too fluffy.
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>>2180984
>I prefer the more grown-up style
Same.
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>>2181118
We can go fluffier
I don't prefer it to Minakata's art but it sure is an interesting contrast
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>>2181189
Haruki really loves carrying Isuke bridal style and having her sit in her lap.
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>>2181192
Can't really blame her for that.
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>>2181192
Isuke loves it
You know she secretly wants to be ravished
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>>2181878
>>2181879
>Putting Isuke x Haruki at No1
Minakata sensei sure seems to really like them
Anyone knows what they're saying?
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>>2181960
I think Minakata even said once while she likes a all the ships, team sexy is her favorite.
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>>2181963
*likes all
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>>2181960
That's not a ranking, penultimate picture in a series counting down to the day of the final chapter. This was the final picture.
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>>2181985
Well apparently I didn't type "it was the" before "penultimate", so let's just pretend that I did.
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>>2181960
Translation is on danbooru

>>2181985
Wasnt it also the same order as the room #'s.

1 was Haru/Tokaku, 2 was Haruki/Isuke, and so on
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how would otoya x shiena even work? Otoya is a psycho that can't be cured. Can she even feel love?
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>>2182983
Otoya needs someone who can handle her bullying and Shiena is perfect for that.
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>>2183010
But shiena doesn't like bullying, it would be unfair for her.
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>>2183078
That's why she can handle Otoya and needs to put her in her place.
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>>2183103
I guess that works. But Shiena will be grumpy/pissed 24/7 and will probably die from a heart attack, stroke or something, poor girl.
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>>2183108

No one said that loving a psychopath was easy.
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So raws never?
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>>2183113
raws never
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>>2184620
Suffering.
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http://triplezeroandapockerface.tumblr.com/post/152987574722/so-for-the-5th-volume-minakata-redraws-several
https://twitter.com/minakatasunao/status/796551508011716608
https://twitter.com/minakatasunao/status/796551855228723200

>So for the 5th volume, Minakata redraws several scenes and improved several character developments. There will be also a poster to promote the 5th volume.

>Small Riddle (6) for Winter Comiket confirmed!
>Tokaku: Come! There will be Riddle books and goods, make sure you wear some warm clothes!
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>>2186819

5th volume is the last volume of AnR, right? If it is, then we might get more satisfaying endings for all of the other pairings.
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>>2186819
Adult Tokaku and Haru looks so much better
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>>2186819
>Small Riddle (6) for Winter Comiket confirmed!
Wow new dujins? Great!
Hope it includes all the otps
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>>2186916
Still hoping for Haruki/Isuke kiss, since it's confirmed they are dating now.
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>>2186934

This and only this.
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>>2186934
Yes definetely the pair I'm interested most in getting canon art! But Sumibanba and the rest of the shippers should get somethng too and everyone is satisfied.
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>>2187020
I'm surprised that at the ending there was only clear shipping for Haruki/Isuke and Tokaku/Haru. Well I'm very happy about Haruki/Iskue, because for me they are the best ship.
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>>2187034
Well, the other ship that was confirmed was Chitaru and Hitsugi, who they got a confirmation during the season anyway.

Kouko-Souzu was not a real ship anyway. Otoya-shiena was more of a crack ship rather than anything going official from the beggining anyway.
So only Sumibanba was unlucky in the end out of every one.

But personally I hope they still focus on TeamSexy in the new dujin too
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>>2187062
>But personally I hope they still focus on TeamSexy in the new dujin too
Same. I just really love their dynamic and how they look together, which made me even happier when they were confirmed canon. Team sexy is a very fitting name for them
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>>2186840
Haru looks a little too much like Madokami there, but Tokaku is even qter than usual
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>>2186840
Adult Haru looks weird because they tried to keep the pigtails.
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>>2186819
>So for the 5th volume, Minakata redraws several scenes and improved several character developments. There will be also a poster to promote the 5th volume.

Completely false. The tweet only said that the December edition of NewType would contain the "Love changes people" spread colored and with Yuri and Nio added.
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>>2186819
How can Minakata improve chara developments? She's just the artist in this. Kouga would've had to have improved the chara development and she would've had to have gone back and re-written lots of earlier chapters to do this. I think you're reading this incorrectly, Onee-sama.
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>>2187741

Any chance for a full translation?

>>2187746
Ah oh, here comes that angry anon who gets triggered by people suggesting Minakata has any say in the series
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>>2187749
Nah, I'm not her. was just pointing out that Onee-sama probably misread it. and now that I actually READ the entire thread, this nee-san: >>2187741 confirmed what I thought was the case.
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>>2187749
>December Newtype goes on sale today! This month there will be a colored version of that one spread from the manga with new characters added, as well as an announcement regarding a poster of a previous color page (more details to come next month). The 5th volume is slated for December 10! Thanks for your patronage.

Also, no. I am in fact the anon always arguing that people think Minakata has more influence than she actually does, which I continue to stand by. But hey, y'all can believe what you want to believe.
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>>2187749
See? Toldja it wasn't me.
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>>2187764

Your argument was that she has literally zero influence, like she's a literal program that just draws and can't directly or indirectly influence the series in anyway.
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>>2188056
Well, the way manga/artist collabs work is that the author writes a script and sends it to the artist. A pairing becoming canon (one that the author had already confirmed canon on Twitter anyway) is likely not just because Minakata willed it so, which is absolutely what everyone was saying.
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>>2188432
But is it possible that Minakata talked to Yun, suggested it and Yun approved it?
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>>2188437
From the way Minakata has talked about the series on her Twitter, it does not seem likely to me. And again, I don't really get the basis for shifting credit to Minakata when we already have concrete evidence that Yun shipped it and probably would've written that without outside influence. It really just sounds like people like Minakata more than Yun and are letting that influence their perception of who did what on the manga.
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>>2188465
Not that anon, but what ship are you talking about? Also, what did Yun say about it?
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>>2188474
Isuke/Haruki. People were claiming that it only became canon in the end because Minakata wanted it, but there's really no evidence to back that up.

Yun confirmed that Isuke/Haruki was canon about two years ago on Twitter.
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>>2188432

I honestly think it's comical that you still think Minakata is this robot that just does exactly what Yun sends her. Like there is just zero communication whatsoever between them besides a list of instructions.
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>>2188487
Do you have any evidence that it doesn't pretty much work like that? Because that's how author/artist collabs usually go, my friend.
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>>2188489
That's not necessarily true when the artist is also an author herself, with an interest in the same subject matter (such as yuri). I don't think you or anyone else can claim to know how the collaboration between Minakata and Yun works unless you've spoken to them.
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>>2188489
Different pairs of people work in different ways. Sometimes it's just a case of the artist drawing what they're told, other times it's more of a creative collaboration between artist and writer. Unless they've talked about it in interviews, there's no real way to tell what this case is.
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>>2188496
>>2188510
Minakata has declined to answer questions about extended canon on Twitter because she doesn't know the answers herself. And either way, there's still no basis for an argument that Isuke/Haruki wouldn't have happened without Minakata's input.

The whole argument revolves around "I want to believe Minakata is responsible for this and not Yun because Minakata is cooler!" rather than any actual logic so it's a pointless to discuss. I'm out.
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>>2188513
>"I want to believe Minakata is responsible for this and not Yun because Minakata is cooler!"
Is there a reason why people only want Minakata to like it and not be happy that the author also loves team sexy?
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>>2188513
You're the one getting upset because people have a different theory of the collaboration than you, equally without evidence. Clam down, love. Neither side has any "logic" behind their argument here.
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>>2188489
That's not how artist/author collab go.

These are essentially self employed people working with each other. There is no golden rule that says you must do it exactly a certain way or face expulsion from the industry.

And yes, Minakata clearly has had a say on Team Sexy.
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>>2188513
>I'm out

Please promise that you're out forever so we can quit having these fucking awful discussions.
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>>2188615
It's not even a discussion, just one autist who insists that Minakata is not even a human being.
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>>2188514
I think it's because Yun has done yaoi before, while Minakata is more of a "pure" yuri artist. So some people might assume she knows how to write yuri better.
My self included, which I know it's totally biased and could be false.
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>>2188839
This Onee-sama has a good point here.
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>>2188839
>Minakata is more of a "pure" yuri artist
Indeed. Even her circle name is PURE.
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>>2188839

You're overthinking

Minkata drew fan art of Team Sexy during the tv airing, it's that simple.
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>>2188923
nono, I think Onee-sama is trying to explain why people are trying to push Minakata over Koaga. /u/ has been burned too many times by former yaoi or het artists who try to do yuri is all. I'm just glad both of them delivered the yuri w/ at least 3 confirmed couples out of the thing.
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>>2188962
I think people credit Minakata more because she made Touhou doujins (so these people are fans of Minakata) or they don't know that Yun even exists, cause she is even more "stealthy" than Minakata.
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>>2189386
That might be part of it.
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